LA CAMPANELLA -- Cory Hall, pianist
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An example of “slowing it down” with excellent musical and enjoyable results, and the virtuosity is clearly demonstrated with Cory’s brilliant ending. Great job Cory!!!
If YOu CaN PLay IT SlowLy YoU caN plAY IT QuIckLy
It’s not hard if you practice 40 hours a day
This incredible. Had no idea about the tempo indication!!! Thank you for your contributions to pianism!
No, he wrong
Good stuff, Mr Hall.
This tempo was refreshing, thanks for the upload
Sounds great in 2x speed
Lol! It works! Sounds like an old recording, like it could've been the original recording Liszt made or something.
2x?
Except the end
I like 1.5 way better
7:40 Ok.... that just sounds extremely better.
I actually haven't heard this piece before and it actually sounds quite nice at this tempo. I don't know how it would sound if played faster, but this sounds right.
You have just proven my whole thesis. Most pianists have heard this a million times played over and over way too fast by super virtuosi, which means they have become conditioned without even knowing it. I am not a "super virtuoso" and have never claimed to be this, but rather, I am a pianist for the "common man" playing tempi that are reasonable and enjoyable to listen to. Of course, I could play it faster if I wanted to, but I don't want to.
@@BachScholar You're not wrong nor the other pro pianists that plays it faster. You're playing the original speed of revised La Campenella which was given to Liszt as an etude. On the other side, the faster version nowadays is matching the violin version by paganini(violin) for concerts.
BachScholar that’s not true exactly Cory - in your old bio , you claimed to be one of the most influential Pianist of the World and the century. If it’s true that you développ here a successfull YT Channel , you re a pro-Pianist and potentialy a pedagogistic teacher but to claimed « to be the king »like you did before - was not a good idea and source of trolling- Im Happy to Hear you more honest about your self when you accept to not be as influential as Kissin or old russia masters like horowitz or Richter;
Aorfu the purpose of Listz here was to transpose the ultravirtuosity of Paganini on Piano , La campanella refers to the hardest violin Paganani theme known as the devil in music : the description by the audiences of the first récital of Paganini at the Time is about incredible fluent speed and clarity ; anyway its true that on the original score of the étude give no tempo references; but for a public representation , this kind of version is not possible because as you said , the Paganini version is exhibition of virtuosity at very high speed -
@@Archeomane When did I ever claim to be the "most influential pianist in the world"??? But then, you need to define "influential". If it applies to ragtime, then I am indeed much more "influential" than Kissin or Richter and everyone else. However, if it is 19th century romantic repertoire, then they are more "influential".
Cielos!!! Tu melena!!! .....
Excelente interpretación!!!
Saludos!!
7:39 idk why but this actually sounds really good like before that too slow but that a good pace holy crap
"Allegretto" refers to the dotted quarter, not the eighth. You might like it better at this tempo, but don't try to justify it via the score.
I liked the delicate interpretation and slow tempo! Thanks
Oh man, you’re a legend for playing it at that tempo, it was so cool and I really enjoyed hearing something new in the piece that I haven’t heard from the faster versions, fantastic job !!!
To think this is the tempo Liszt intended for this piece is just insane. The melody is taken from the rondo in Paganini's second violin concerto and is meant to be played at nearly the same speed, otherwise it's a completely different texture to what it's supposed to be. You expect repertoire like this to be a display of extreme virtuosity in addition to musicality. Concert performances last around 4 and a half minutes which would make this a little over half speed. Also just listening to the fingering in the repeated notes is giving me tendonitis lol. Not criticising the performance or anything by the way, music is whatever you want it to be, but this is not Liszt's tempo. "Allegretto" designates the pace of the melody which is the first of every group of second notes in the first variation. The tempo here is half the tempo what would be considered an allegretto performance of the 3rd movement of the Paganini concerto.
Would it make you feel any better if I told you I had a stroke recently and am handicapped now and I can't play anything very fast? Do you like to pick on disabled or handicapped folk?
BachScholar I’m not criticising your performance, I enjoy hearing things played slow, even half tempo. I don’t think there is anything wrong with your playing. But no one has ever recorded this piece this slow or performed it this slow in any of the dozens of concert performances on youtube. That makes your interpretation unique but that doesn’t make you a bad pianist. Your choice of tempo is idiosyncratic, that’s all. No one has ever recorded the piece this slow. I don’t think everyone else is playing it too fast, there is a musical logic behind the choice of speed which is that it should match the pulse of the Paganini concerto, which is also indicated allegretto. The Liszt piece has a higher density of notes because there is a lot of embellishment but only the notes of the melody determine the pulse. You may disagree, but it’s a huge claim to say all recordings of this piece, and probably all concert and competition performances have got the wrong tempo ;)
BachScholar also Glenn Gould has some extremely idiosyncratic choices of tempo in his recordings but he’s still one of the finest pianists of his century. But he was aware that he was taking choices of tempo that were opposite to the composer’s intention and the audience’s expectations. That was the point... to expose people to something that had never been done before. Nothing wrong with that
@@birefringent2851 There we go, someone who's actually smart. I find it very weird how you went full-defense mode after someone slightly disagrees with you, Mr. BachScholar, and the fact that you had a stroke and you're handicapped now is just a poor excuse if you ask me. I feel bad for you, and wish you a speedy recovery, but that doesn't have anything to do with you saying this is how "Liszt would've played it". And the things about picking on disabled, or feeling good about people being handicapped is simply sickening. You're simply a fraud, and people for some reason still follow you. From the "years of Bach study to have found the PERFECT Bach tempo" to "This is how Liszt should be played" are such stupidous claims.
@@jordidewaard2937 C'mon that's harsh dude. He's just a guy who's trying to help people with their piano skills and make some advanced repertoire accessible to intermediate players. I like his videos because most other piano channels are there to help either beginners or advanced pianists conquer virtuosic pieces but BachScholar is helping intermediate players who aspire to play harder pieces even though they may be years away from having the technique for them, so he slows them down and it shows people they are worth playing even if they can only manage half speed at the end. In other videos he says he's a great teacher for intermediate level students but not a great performer. If anyone is learning this piece with the aim of performing it at a concert, competition or exam they wouldn't be using this channel to help them because they'd have a teacher and they'd know how to practice the correct technique required. This video is not for those people lol.
I was quite sceptical at first, but found it to be a very convincing and affecting performance. It makes such a difference when someone actually plays it at a speed where they can give proper respect to the rhythm.
I was skeptical also, but this kind of speed grew on me and now I like it. If a Martian, who never heard human music before, came down from outer space and heard this performance he probably would actually think it is "fast".
@@BachScholar I have found that it is very much harder to play at "correct historical tempi" because there is nowhere to hide. Your control is excellentissimo!!!
BachScholar no it’s not very speed at all , because the theme is musically disintegrated by the slow tempo - all the phrases of this pieces sound at Paganini tempo - to slow down could be a kind of experience if you assume that’s a new étude : at this tempo a lot of people don’t recognize the Paganini music
i love to listen to it while running
👍☘️☀️☕️☀️🎶
Some parts don't sound "correct" to my ears played at this tempo, for example 3:15 but overall I think it sounds quite nice played at a slower tempo.
Mr. Hall, this is fantastic! According to all of my sources, the 16 measures per minute Allegretto (as labelled) for this piece is exactly how Mr. Liszt would have played it. Why it is played Prestissimo had never made much sense to me. Oh! I'm sorry, people want to have the focus on THEM, not on the MUSIC or the COMPOSER... I remember now. :D
Thank you for your uploads. They are the reasonable and correct historical voice in a cacophonic modernist world. It is after all "La Campanella", not the "Rattling Panicky Cantankerous Alarm Clock!
Bravo!
This is one of the pieces Liszt enjoyed playing during performances to show off his virtuosity, as you probably know. Does this performance by mr. BachScholar sound "showy" to you? It sounds very dull to me. According to the score, BachScholar is playing it perfectly, but he is not transferring the feeling of the music, its background if you will. This is one of those pieces you play to show off virtuosity, and perhaps even speed. It has to sound impressive, I could fall asleep with this performance honestly.
@@jordidewaard2937 Is it? I am sure I know that this is all conjecture. So we are left with only our passions on this work. I can only offer history: Paganini completed his work in 1836 (only nine years after the passing of Beethoven), and my research into the era shews that the "need for speed" had not yet taken a vice grip over the world. If Liszt had wanted this to be a flamboyant shew piece, I can tell you that he would have placed at "least" Vivace if not a Presto on the song. I think Mr. Hall plays it in the historic Allegretto, and it is very pretty. Between you and me: I have wooed women with my own flamboyancy, and I didn't have to play fast, in fact, to make women cry, play something beautiful and romantic. This piece with the right "Liberacian" nuances at this very tempo will knock a women dead. Read up on how women loved Liszt.
But then you completely obliterate the fact that it is an etude made to learn piano virtuosity as well as the 5 other etudes that come with it! At this speed, the technical gain is quite ridiculous... we could also argue that it is a transcription ( even if modified a lot) of a piece from Paganini and that allegretto is the tempo given in the original piece written by Paganini. Then the tempo of the etude should match the one of the original piece as much as possible ( so at least 60 bpm if we take a quarter note as a beat and it’s still pretty slow)
@@octavearevian5589 I don't think I "obliterated" anything. Studies are studies, and that means that the technical problem would need to be mastered. Nowhere do I find in music that mastery necessarily requires a certain tempo unless this is the prerequisite of the study (at an "Allegretto", I find it dubious that velocity was needed). This etude - I admit I haven't practised it - appears to teach the mastery of octave leaps, and "Allegretto" is traditionally around 20 measures per minute (+/-) at 4/4 time, quaver fastest note (adjust for the time signature here), then the character of the piece must be considered, then the note values are to be weighed in. This is an etude, not a transcription. I stand by my statements. Thank you.
Thomas Hughes then it means you don’t know what allegretto means: we usually get up to the the speed you tell but its main definition is light and cheerful but slower than allegro. What is important there is that the determinating part is not necessarily the speed but the way the music and the melody should sound. At this speed, the melody is awfully slow and not lively nor cheerful. Some partitions even give as a metronome indication 74= dotted quarter note which is more than 2x that speed. The Grandes etudes de Paganini were made to translate these pieces and their technical difficulties to the piano and thus should be played at a tempo close to the original one. Also,saying that mastering some techniques doesn’t requires a certain tempo shows that you don’t understand how determining is the speed in the choice of the technique! For exemple , the octave part can no longer be played with that technique when you start playing faster.
Bela atuação !!!!!!!!!!!!
I would like to ask in which tempo you play this piece in this video?
about 96 bpm
Good job! Please record Czerny Op.365 etude 15 without repetition bars or Etude 45 with repetition bars
The only problem I could think about that is that this would make it the only Paganini etude that doesn’t keep up with its original caprice counterpart.
They’re usually just a little bit slower, but this one is REALLY slower
Sounds rlly good! I usually play at normal tempo but here at this tempo, the coda sounds so much more grander imo!
You're right, but it was only written at that speed because pianists used to not be as good. Great composers and great performers, but there's no way they could compare to the competition of modern top piano performers. What was impossible then is now being achieved, which I'm sure Liszt would have been very proud and impressed to see
This statement is made by someone who decided to believe certain things and consciously made an effort to actually ignore evidence and observations that point to conclusions that makes his original belief nothing but false.
@@pjbpiano hahahaha what, this isn't a scientific hypothesis man, I'm stating the real-life experiences of expert pianists. I play this piece myself so I know how difficult it is to perform well. This piece sounds way better fast, as you can hear from literally any other recording of this piece, especially those by professional experts world-wide. And btw using pseudointellectual phrasing doesn't make your youtube comments sound any less high
You believe that pianists now are better than back then in Liszt's time?
@@pjbpiano considering that most of them were either bored house wives and rich children, and that there were less than a billion people on earth (and far less with access to a piano or keyboard) - yes.
At the end of the day composers needed money, and you won't get many students without making your music a little easier to learn
i wish i can like this more than one 😍
Personal preference, I like this version more then the Original speed
What about the other ending?
3:28 lmao hes actually only using thumb to play double notes🤣🤣
After reading your description, I checked out some other versions of it to compare tempo. Even looked up 6/8 allegretto (100 bpm) tempo on YT. But it was played like 3/4 allegretto (100 bpm) but double time. My music app plays the 6/8 allegretto speed you did here at about 98 bpm (low end of "allegretto" on my app). And you played it about 150-152 bpm in your previous video.
So, clarification: If the allegretto is given for 3/4, would that essentially be 2x as fast (per measure) as 6/8 allegretto? I'm thinking 100 bpm 6/8 time sig means 100 eighth note beats per minute. And 100 bpm 3/4 time sig means 100 quarter note beats per minute.
Anybody know for sure? I will say I like this piece both faster and slower. Some parts I think sound great played at a faster tempo. And some sound great at this slower, more traditional tempo.
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The allegretto should be felt on dotted quarter notes, since 6/8 is felt on two beats per measure. It is a compund time signature, just like 9/8 for example.
This interpretation is much too slow in my opinion. I totally respect the fact that it is proposing a different taste to the usual “Lisitsa, Lang Lang, Kissin” that we are used to listen to.
Nevertheless, the tempo marked by the composer should matter that much, e.g: Chopin's 10.3 should be played at 100bpm, but that marking is followed by a tiny amount of pianists.
As for the people saying that pianists are too full of themselves and play sloppily, I’d like to point out that they are some of the best in the world. They don’t play sloppily.
Yes, i agree fully
Sorry Cory, this one was definitely not in my favourites...
@@saptaksoctave8068 Liszt would fall asleep playing it like this
To me, it's not the tempo that bothers me.. (to me, it's refreshing to find performances that are different from the usual), it's the pedaling that bothers me. The pedaling is terrible; there is no proper soft transitioning and many times the sustain just abruptly stops. I couldn't carry on past 3:30 because it is so mechanical and lifeless...
And the repeated notes, 1-1 fingering... is this a joke?
If Liszt was right there seeing him play, he would throw a fit because of that.
In the ending, Cory let the dogs out for a walk😂😂😂😂
More like you can't actually play it at normal speed lmao
so true lol. Look at Cory's earlier "recordings" of Appassionata and compare it to this playing.. just so obviously not the same person playing. Pretty sad.
You certainly gain an appreciation of the musicality of the composition at this speed. Having said that I thought it was a tad slow as well, and I’m not a fan of the ultra fast performances.
Anyway if Iam a bit septical about the public interest of the recording ˆ I suppose that could be interesting in a tutoriel prospective to clearly give attention to everything and every détails, I admit that there is hère à very good clarity, contrôle, dynamics at this tempo and that represent a huge level of pratices and years of expérience to achieve a good playin of Campanella - in many aspect this Cory slow version is better that the old one - now if Cory can transpose the clarity of this one in the tempo of the old one, that coud be amazin ; work in progress so !
2x speed sounds just like kissin’s
Bananabomber kissins would be 4x
Strat0s exactly Kissin is Around 195 bpm , here is around 30/40bpm
WHAT THE... CORY... WHEN DID YOU CHOP YOUR HAIR OFF????!!!! AND WHYYYYY??!?!
in what tempo iss this piece?
Any tempo at which one can play it.
@@BachScholar i meant to say, on what tempo did u play it in this video?
He needs to play this piano piece with more expressions and passion.
His playing is lifeless! He has psychological issues
He has no understanding of "Legato" and isn't an artist, but a technician
Men why did you cut your hair? You were so beautiful
I find « la campanella » is also beautiful at this speed
Thats because its beautiful in whatever speed from alegretto to presto
i like this tempo, it sounds better then those speed demon pianists who play's fast and sloppy
Toyobusa yeh no it’s not this is just taking the mick
This tempo is for academic reasons, this guy is a great teacher with not an ounce of useless ego.
WOW! Mr. Hall, I hadn't read your description before I commented below! You are in great company when it comes to true musicians out here. We're all "wiser" these days because our focus is on the music and the composers of the period. Good on you. Don't close out the comments because I like to read the "comics" as well as the serious musician with whom I will share this video! Godspeed, and make loads more. Just sub'd and hit "la campanella" ... :D
refreshing take but I like me some speed of light versions
That sounds great! nice sounding piano too!... I'd be happy if I could play it half that fast
that would be better if you were playing JS Bach music with these kind of slow tempi, like modesty rag that u did very slowly and wonderful.
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I love it when you play it slow, you make it sound even more beautiful! Could you play Tempest 3rd movement as well?
Your playing is ultra beautiful
Are you re-performing pieces at a slower tempo? I mean
I love the speed but this kinda seems a bit unnecessary
If you love the speed, then why is it unnecessary?
@@BachScholar just to the people who have seen your past performance and prefer the more presto interpretations. I'm still happy you uploaded this though.
There's always room for new and fresh interpretations of old works.
sounds more like campanellas little bells not crazy fast
I need the other ending
2x speed sounds almost like Kissin.
Great job! Its ok if you play slow.....practice make perfect!! =) love your vid
Hey, maybe I can do this.
Were you able to?
@@pjbpiano I am still dreaming
😂😂
I think Chopin's Fantaisie Impromptu sounds better played slower, too. As does Chopin's 8th prelude. People play them so fast that it loses it's musicality.
this piece is very easy
grade 6 or even 4
Too slow, and sounds tired as a result. Just my opinion.
Its kind of expérience , something little bit met&physicalisme but I agree ˆ I dont see thé réal purpose to publish this work in progress ˆ its more like intimistic archives
1.75 speed is commonly played by most pianists
and i love this tempoooooooo
I can literally play any piece at this tempo
This performance is one of the few that's played at the marked "allegretto" instead of at 200+ bpm. Liszt never intended for this to be played prestissimo, that just ended up being the default after decades of pianists wanting to prove that they can play as fast as everyone else.
Well go ahead than play me the chopin op10 4
@@lucasgoncalves459 that piece is sooo easy at half tempo xD and it's so much easier than La Campanella
Played by a Beginner lmao yeah i believe you tho
Something is wrong with bell. I think the bell is very heavy can't move faster 😂
Beautiful performance. I think I like better with this tempo.
Totally agree. I don't like pieces raced. I want to enjoy the technique as its being played.
I think this would be fun to play.
You are correct. Great ear you have. :D
A decent enough performance I guess, although I do wonder why you would choose to tackle such a virtuosic piece just to take out the virtuosity. It's pretty clear this etude was meant as a sort of technical showcase to dazzle audiences, and you aren't going to dazzle many people with this kind of slow, precise, mechanical playing.
I feel like 1,25 is nice
Then that just means he played it too slowly, doesn't it?
Set speed at 2x and there perfect
Yeet where has the bell gone the title was named “little bell”
Enjoyable tempo!
1.5x isn’t half bad either
Too fast
this is too fast! pls play slower
Yes, Emil von Sauer and Arthur Friedheim (both coveted students of Liszt) deliberately defied their master's intentions, and they willfully chose their tempos in their recordings just to show everybody that they don't care about the supposed "correct" speed. Very likely scenario. It's not just the historical inaccuracy, it's the complete musical inadequacy and incomprehensibility that double-beaters just can't seem to be self-critical about in their "interpretations".
Not sure what you're trying to convey. The speed is relative thing. This gets faster by the end. Sounds good to me.
@@detomastah I'm definitely not sure what you're trying to convey either by these incoherent sentences, so I think we're square.
This not is LA CAMPANELLA, LA CAMPANELLA is very fast, this is slow, very slow. Bad .
What do you mean it's still la campanella. And I think it's very good version of it
@@CY-gt5uc :No, it's not a good statement, it's bad. Liszt wrote it quickly. And you can't change the tempo of a piece, especially the tempo of a song by a composer like Listz, who was also an extraordinary pianist who paid much attention to details.
He said its allegretto meaning not extremely fast or less quickly than allegro(96 to 108 bpm)
@@reinisip6351 have you actually read the sheet music? It's not just the tempo marking, it's also the notes used. A sixteenth note is going to be played fast even at alegretto, and la campanella is full of sixteenth notes. Just listen to any world famous pianist play it. Slowing it down is not necessarily the work of genius or a novel interpretation.
@@Mrappbrain966 ; yes