If you study previous works of Martin in science fiction, he did write about planets with irregular orbits many times. Considering there are 3rd bodies in a planetary system of the Westeros world, the reasons for irregular seasons can be “science-fictionny” in flavor. (1st body is planetos, 2nd body is the Sun, third one can be the moon that cracked in the past to give birth to dragons, also a red comet flying by) The Wall definitely relates to others but not so sure how does it affect the seasons on a planetary scale
@@Red1Green2Blue3 That's only if you consider the maester's version. Once you realize that the official timeline doesn't make any sense Is when you start to get the real interesting theories. The very same GRRM said recently that the Long Night was closer to 6-5k years ago. Closer to the uprising of Valyria than to the version of the maesters.
@@LuMoRo34 That the wall was built after the Long Night has never been disputed, by anyone. It's never even been hinted. For what you said to make sense we have to ignore an undisputed key event for no reason.
You do a really good job with this! The art work... the narration - just excellent! And, yeah, - I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the overall conflict in this saga - it's not good vs evil so much as it is ice vs fire - but beyond that there IS good and evil at play... and I'm not sure a balance brings any real victory.
@In Deep Geek has a credible theory of why Benji went to the wall: he told Ned Lyanna was not kidnapped and the on coming war was based on a lie. He went to the wall to avoid Roberts wrath and partly protect Lyanna/Jsnow, i think.
I think the awakening of the others is more recent...only 16 years at the first coupling of Rhaegar and Lyanna. It's somewhat suspicious to me that no living child had been born to a Stark and Targaryen before. Part of the pact could've been not mixing Northern first men (?white walker) blood with that of the dragon lords(fire magic practitioners, which predates valyria) Brandon the breaker is said to have possibly kept a child of the nights king and queen and raised it as his own. Bloodraven is also a first men/valerian hybrid, but not as directly a first man as the starks. His arrival beyond the wall might've been the white walkers first clue that the pact wasn't safe, but his blood is diluted with Andal. Jon, however, is more pure first men +Targ...his birth was possibly the last straw.
Not saying you're wrong, per se, but that doesn't explain Crastor. He's been leaving his sons out for the Others for decades. However, their seeming increased attacks on the Wildlings and raising dead does seem to be pretty recent.
Great video! Really good I have a hard time searching for new perspectives and yours is so good. Will definetely rewatch and see your other videos thank you!!
I’m trying to reread ASOIAF and I feel like the show completely ruined the others for me because they just kinda fizzled out and really weren’t that much of a threat.
I also read a theory that the white walkers have something to do with Valyrians and that’s also why Craster practices incest (he has Valyrian blood and wants to keep it pure) and then offers the walkers his sons.
I honestly wish the author had explored the complexities of the White Walkers more deeply, especially since he mentioned wanting to avoid a black-and-white narrative like that of The Lord of the Rings trilogy, which focuses on the struggle between Good and Evil. I appreciated some suggestions online that the White Walkers might possess elvish qualities in both their appearance and culture. I also theorize that, like humans, the White Walkers fear the unknown. For them, the unknown is the chaotic nature of life and its constant changes. This fear may explain their desire to freeze the world in time and erase anything subject to change-humans, animals, and more. They seem to fear the passage of time and long to make everything immortal, just as they are. It's like how Tolkien's elves desire to make their individual realms immune to the passage of time.
This is incredible! I've always suspected the Walkers are their own species, probably something silicon-based, as obsidian is their Kryptonite. Obsidian is 65% silicon, give or take. Like kills like.
Nice summary. Before I touch on theory I'd like to pose a question with regard to your analysis. You draw the connection between Valyria and the Heart of Winter. However, you stop short of attempting to, for lack of a better word, unify the magic. If I said, it was having Valyrians/Targaryens wed their their children to eachother to hatch and control the magic animals with which they are associated, you would likely agree, yes? If so, why would this not function in a similar way for other forms and families? Once some one like yourself has made this connection of Starks and ice as one does Targs and fire, wouldn't it make just as much sense to attempt to look at the events and details through the same lense? What would be the implication of a Stark with similar genealogy to the Targs? If such a Stark exists who would be the most likely candidate? Putting aside theory you like or believe, and considering only a similar framework in which magic functions regardless of it's type, what would you expect from the story? How should a story unfold if the systems of magic are reflected in eachother?
I think the others are shadows like what melisandre cast under storms end and they are cast by bloodraven-like things all connected to the weirwoods. the others and melisandre’s shadow have a similar spectral description. the others use the magic from the weirwoods (which seem to be like magic conduits when you attach a bunch of bodies to the roots or soak it with blood) to raise the wights.
At this point, I’ve given up on awoiaf. Martin is a Mystery Box writer and has no clue how to answer all the questions he has posed. Even the transcript releases for winds of winter leave more questions.
Why do you think he's taking so long cx it's not easy to write a massive saga like this I'm certain of it, especially one as intriguing and fun as the awoiaf books. Give it time he delivers it's just going to take time and likely more inspiration. Most people are mad that he's working on other projects but writing the same story for however long takes time and breaks he also has a life outside the books.
I think the Wall is what changed the seasons. Once it comes down, the seasons will return to normal.
If you study previous works of Martin in science fiction, he did write about planets with irregular orbits many times. Considering there are 3rd bodies in a planetary system of the Westeros world, the reasons for irregular seasons can be “science-fictionny” in flavor. (1st body is planetos, 2nd body is the Sun, third one can be the moon that cracked in the past to give birth to dragons, also a red comet flying by)
The Wall definitely relates to others but not so sure how does it affect the seasons on a planetary scale
This doesn't make sense because the Long Night happened before the wall was built.
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GRRM wrote sci-fi, yes but he also said the problem of the seasons in ASOIAF Is totally magical.
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That's only if you consider the maester's version. Once you realize that the official timeline doesn't make any sense Is when you start to get the real interesting theories.
The very same GRRM said recently that the Long Night was closer to 6-5k years ago. Closer to the uprising of Valyria than to the version of the maesters.
@@LuMoRo34 That the wall was built after the Long Night has never been disputed, by anyone. It's never even been hinted. For what you said to make sense we have to ignore an undisputed key event for no reason.
You do a really good job with this! The art work... the narration - just excellent! And, yeah, - I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the overall conflict in this saga - it's not good vs evil so much as it is ice vs fire - but beyond that there IS good and evil at play... and I'm not sure a balance brings any real victory.
@In Deep Geek has a credible theory of why Benji went to the wall: he told Ned Lyanna was not kidnapped and the on coming war was based on a lie. He went to the wall to avoid Roberts wrath and partly protect Lyanna/Jsnow, i think.
I'd like to know what Bloodraven knows about the Starks and the Others.
Underrated channel
I think the awakening of the others is more recent...only 16 years at the first coupling of Rhaegar and Lyanna. It's somewhat suspicious to me that no living child had been born to a Stark and Targaryen before. Part of the pact could've been not mixing Northern first men (?white walker) blood with that of the dragon lords(fire magic practitioners, which predates valyria) Brandon the breaker is said to have possibly kept a child of the nights king and queen and raised it as his own.
Bloodraven is also a first men/valerian hybrid, but not as directly a first man as the starks. His arrival beyond the wall might've been the white walkers first clue that the pact wasn't safe, but his blood is diluted with Andal. Jon, however, is more pure first men +Targ...his birth was possibly the last straw.
Not saying you're wrong, per se, but that doesn't explain Crastor. He's been leaving his sons out for the Others for decades. However, their seeming increased attacks on the Wildlings and raising dead does seem to be pretty recent.
@@j.kyronhanson5644Bloodravens presence may have started the ball rolling. Or they've been taking offerings from people like Craster all along.
Great video! Really good I have a hard time searching for new perspectives and yours is so good. Will definetely rewatch and see your other videos thank you!!
I’m trying to reread ASOIAF and I feel like the show completely ruined the others for me because they just kinda fizzled out and really weren’t that much of a threat.
I also read a theory that the white walkers have something to do with Valyrians and that’s also why Craster practices incest (he has Valyrian blood and wants to keep it pure) and then offers the walkers his sons.
They knew Royce was high born and might possess a Valerian steel sword that could kill them.
Once they knew his sword was just steel, they moved in.
I honestly wish the author had explored the complexities of the White Walkers more deeply, especially since he mentioned wanting to avoid a black-and-white narrative like that of The Lord of the Rings trilogy, which focuses on the struggle between Good and Evil. I appreciated some suggestions online that the White Walkers might possess elvish qualities in both their appearance and culture. I also theorize that, like humans, the White Walkers fear the unknown. For them, the unknown is the chaotic nature of life and its constant changes. This fear may explain their desire to freeze the world in time and erase anything subject to change-humans, animals, and more. They seem to fear the passage of time and long to make everything immortal, just as they are. It's like how Tolkien's elves desire to make their individual realms immune to the passage of time.
This is incredible! I've always suspected the Walkers are their own species, probably something silicon-based, as obsidian is their Kryptonite. Obsidian is 65% silicon, give or take. Like kills like.
Nice summary. Before I touch on theory I'd like to pose a question with regard to your analysis. You draw the connection between Valyria and the Heart of Winter. However, you stop short of attempting to, for lack of a better word, unify the magic.
If I said, it was having Valyrians/Targaryens wed their their children to eachother to hatch and control the magic animals with which they are associated, you would likely agree, yes? If so, why would this not function in a similar way for other forms and families? Once some one like yourself has made this connection of Starks and ice as one does Targs and fire, wouldn't it make just as much sense to attempt to look at the events and details through the same lense? What would be the implication of a Stark with similar genealogy to the Targs?
If such a Stark exists who would be the most likely candidate? Putting aside theory you like or believe, and considering only a similar framework in which magic functions regardless of it's type, what would you expect from the story? How should a story unfold if the systems of magic are reflected in eachother?
I think the others are shadows like what melisandre cast under storms end and they are cast by bloodraven-like things all connected to the weirwoods. the others and melisandre’s shadow have a similar spectral description. the others use the magic from the weirwoods (which seem to be like magic conduits when you attach a bunch of bodies to the roots or soak it with blood) to raise the wights.
Good and evil are relative, especially in GRRM's books. Not subjective.
What if the kings of winter have always been starks?
Again with another banger
I assume this is a well known theory, but I'm pretty damn sure the Night King is Coldhands.
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At this point, I’ve given up on awoiaf.
Martin is a Mystery Box writer and has no clue how to answer all the questions he has posed.
Even the transcript releases for winds of winter leave more questions.
Why do you think he's taking so long cx it's not easy to write a massive saga like this I'm certain of it, especially one as intriguing and fun as the awoiaf books. Give it time he delivers it's just going to take time and likely more inspiration. Most people are mad that he's working on other projects but writing the same story for however long takes time and breaks he also has a life outside the books.