Thanks for your video. Indeed, now that fuel oil is around $5 to $6 a gallon, that dual hose portable heat pump is a terrific replacement for conventional furnace heating.
Remove air intake hose in winter and it will not freeze. Much better performance and gets much warmer. Wish I knew that a few years prior. It will get air from inside with hose removed, but make sure it's the intake house, never a freeze up issue when I did that even at freezing Temps outside. I put a piece of furnace filter I cut over the intake hole to stop it from sucking in any hair etc.
Thank you for uploading this video, I live in Jersey and in the middle of remodeling my small place. It’s half the size of your home, so I feel comfortable using this for the time being. Your right no videos on RUclips talking about this.
There's problems with this setup. I have the Honeywell MM14CHCS with heat pump. I have had it apart to "make it more efficient". If you truly want a 2 tube portable here's what you need to address. 1. There are louvers in the rear that draw from inside the house. 2. The condensation pan isn't sealed to the outer shell. Its a 1/2- 1" gap all the way around that will suck air from inside. 3. There is no backdraft damper, air from outside will come through your intake tube. 4. There is no defrost cycle. So if you address 1-3 it will help with AC but the coil will freeze in the winter. The Whynter arc14sh is basically the same unit and it says below 45deg F to remove the outdoor intake. Long comment but allot of people seemed interested in this for some reason.
singel hoze is like a fireplace. it pumps fresh air in. its perfect for basement when you want cold bad smelling moister air from floor go away. also heats up greate in 1 hour i have 70 f. 64 square yards. only one thats better is a fire place. its like an FTX almost.
Wouldn’t go near a Delonghi again. Called to inform them of a design defect in their toasters and got told to sod off to the retailer and exchange it for another model of theirs. Told them that it’s a small retailer and their only offering- well that’s too bad, no exchanges. Fixed the defect myself and my sister permanently borrowed it.
I can only guess that you have not let it run awhile ….as with any of these its mentioned to disconnect the intake hose at a bout 40 degrees .when I have not done this the whole unit freezes up and it take s long time to defrost ,not only that I wish some one mentioned that it should have a filter put on the end of the hose
This is the best RUclips video on Portable heat pumps.. 3 years old this vid.. no manufacturing is taking seriously this Segment .. SO! .. Elon watch this video.. Make a Window plug and play out of the Model 3 Heat Pump .. and lets get this party started.. as soon as you get done smoking weed with Rogan .. Ha!! LOL!!! .. i know you're already thinking it .. Double lol!
My portable AC has heating mode to and it works great. Heat output is about 45-50c degrees and it doesn't have the two hose system. Besides that it pulls water out of the air a lot. I don't think 12.000btu isn't gonna be enough in the winter.
Dual house units state in their manual to remove input hose for better performance in winter. Dual hose at colder temperatures can do more harm than good. Dual hose benefits are good in summer
@@MatthewEng2593 I have a dual hose ac with heat, 14,000 btu and use it to heat in winter. If intake hose is connected unit will freeze up when Temps drop below 36 degrees. Plus if both are connected, water accumulates so fast it can't dry it up, so removing intake hose is best in winter.
OK but if it's single hose, WHERE does it get the heat from? Seems to me like heat mode would be impossible with only one hose. (cold mode is fine with single hose).
I have one then I use it in my trailer even in the the winter I don't know how it works but that's why I'm trying to find out what are more curious about is Emma supposed to vent the cold air out
I have a similar unit that is 4-in-1, dual hose etc. I understand using the dual hose for the A/C, but I have not been able to get a definitive answer on its necessity of using it through the window in the winter? I heard you mention negative pressure, but if you have a large room in a large home, could this work without running the hoses to the window?
If the primary function is air conditioning and it has a heating function it is always heatpump. It would become explosive if a heating element is placed close to the R290 gasses that most Airco's use
@@jasonbrown467 Awesome! I recently found out that mine only uses 1230 Watt to produce 3300 Watt in Heating mode, that is 3 times cheaper than my conventional electric heaters. Keep in mind you'll have to drain a lot of water cause it dehumidifies at the same time in both heating and cooling mode. My wash was dry in a jiffy as a by product
I have the MM14chcs which looks about the same and I can tell you that the only reason his hasn't frozen up is there are louvers below that hose he added. They pull inside air over the condenser coil. And even if he blocked that there is no gasket sealing the condenser condensate pan to the outer shell. I have mine apart currently.
No, the cold air is being vented outside, inside air is being heated up on the com.pression side of the pump, and the low pressure side is vented outside. Having a heat pump inside the house means that no matter how cold it is outside, the unit still blows warm.
@@RobertLanghorn negative air pressure? I don't remember that term from thermodynamics class. I am ising something similar right now on my hisense unit. My unit has one input and one output. One is warm one is cold, normally this unit is an air conditioner venting heat, i simply switched the vents, so the one going outside pushes cold air out, and the heat exchangers are inside the unit, inside the house. I used the unit as we were below zero last week and the heat blowing from the unit is the same regardless of outside temperature
I'm a refrigeration technician and I understand how heat pumps work. My question is regarding the efficiency of drawing the warm air from the room and sending outside after removing some heat. Doesn't that mean air is being pulled in from outside somewhere else in the house? Isn't that air cold? Are you pulling sewer/septic air in through the drains? Doesn't it become a space heater and cools the rest of the house? The coil will freeze if you attached both ducts when the temperature is below 45°F.
yes heap pumps and air conditioners are the same thing basicly. they are interchangable if it says heat pump or reversible on the A/C. or you can hack a cheaper model
@@graywolf3456 I’m looking for just such a Hack, I have a portable AC unit in my shop and would like to convert it into a heater for this winter. Do you have any suggestions, videos etc. thanks.
@smokeyeule18 there is no hack. The only way to get it to work is to put the ac outside and connect the hose inside. The issue is it will not cool the already outside cold air and pump the heat in. Even if it did it would fail because the coil would freeze and it doesn't have a defrost setting.
I have that same ac/heater, mine seems to be defective. When using it for heat it only runs about 10 minutes before shutting off, it will only turn back on after draining the water tank, sometimes I will only get a few drops while others seems to be 1-2 cups. There is no way this thing is pulling that much water out of the air in 10 minutes.
you would be very surprised. remember, when in heat mode it is pulling moisture from OUTSIDE and its condensing INSIDE where it then has to be drained.
@@ihatejustin500 Negative, when using as a heater you remove the intake hose so you are pulling from inside the house. And before you say I am wrong, that is straight from the manufacturer, I reached out to them before I started using it as a heater as there are tons of people saying the intake hose has to be left hooked up, while others say to remove it. So instead of wasting my time with the opinions of keyboard warriors I went straight to the source.
@@urbanedgeautodetailing you are wrong. That defeats the purpose. You are literally bringing in cold air back to the home and reducing your heating capacity AND efficiency by a lot.
@@randybobandy9828 No, removing the intake(not exhaust hose) circulates the inside air back into the edgestar, stops it from freezing and heats much better. Wish I knew that years Ago. Having the intake hose connected, brings in cold air outside and reduces efficiency.
@rotwiler7674 yes I know it's the intake hose you're talking about. If you take off your intake hose, it will create negative pressure in the home and cause cold air to seep in your home from cracks and doors. They should just make these units function like a mini split, yes the condenser coil will freeze but that's the why they have a defrost cycle. I have a single hose portable 12000bru heatpump and it doesn't heat any better than a 1500w(5300btu)electric heater because it creates a vaccum and pulls cold air in.
Yea these are great as supplemental heat but I would not use one as primary for replacing a furnace. Remember it still will take the exact same amount of power as a portable heater. 1200 watts heat pump takes the same power as a 1200 watt baseboard heater. The difference is how it works. Moving or pumping heat is more efficient than resistive heating and can help lower your bill a little. Once outdoor temperatures drop to 40 degrees, heat pumps start losing efficiency, and they consume more energy to do their jobs. When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as the most efficient heating option. That is why whole house heat pumps almost always have backup heat strips when it gets down to freezing. Once at freezing the heat pump will actually consume more energy to reach the desired temperature.
No, they are great for primary heat. You're describing COP problems that happened 20+ years ago. Technology changes. I've heated a house in Wisconsin winters w/ inverter multi-spit installed in 2019. There are heat pumps that have COP>1 @ 15F outdoor, which means they are using a variable compressor under pressurized refrigerant -- and not falling back to heat strips. There are new heat pumps & mini-splits that generate more BTU given the same Watts as electric baseboard. I do understand where you're coming from -- the public has been scammed by "efficient" heaters that are all 1500W heat strips. But a heat strip would be COP=1 so yea, if someone has an old heat pump in
Im confused about using this... I have one in my room. Do I need to have it "connected" through the window like him, when it's cold out when I'm trying to use the heat function?
@@sladewilson5860 remove intake tube when cold out using it for heat. If not will freeze condenser on near freezing days. I use one to heat my house all winter. That's for dual hose, if single hose you have to have it connected. Remember to put something over the tube to not let cold air in. I just put a towel in mine
I used to have 2 1,500 watt portable heaters, cost over $100 month to run in winter and that's only when i was awake. I have a 14,000 btu edgestar unit with heat, uses around 10 amps, can run 75 inch tv, fan, lights, my laptop etc of same breaker. So using 1/3 less power for more heat. 10 amp is approx 1,000 watts compared to 3,000 i was using. Electric bill dropped $70+. And 2 electric heaters put out around 11,000 btu only.
So far the only video on RUclips talking about heating awesome that was I looking for
Thank you
Thanks for your video. Indeed, now that fuel oil is around $5 to $6 a gallon, that dual hose portable heat pump is a terrific replacement for conventional furnace heating.
Remove air intake hose in winter and it will not freeze. Much better performance and gets much warmer. Wish I knew that a few years prior. It will get air from inside with hose removed, but make sure it's the intake house, never a freeze up issue when I did that even at freezing Temps outside. I put a piece of furnace filter I cut over the intake hole to stop it from sucking in any hair etc.
I like the idea of elevating the heat pump, making the water easy to handle
Thank you for uploading this video, I live in Jersey and in the middle of remodeling my small place. It’s half the size of your home, so I feel comfortable using this for the time being. Your right no videos on RUclips talking about this.
Finally a video on this topic! Thanks
I really appreciate you doing this video, everything i have been trying to find out you showed in the video. Thanks again!
Great Video. Yeah , Youbare the Unique one that Gives the correct info. Thanks
There's problems with this setup. I have the Honeywell MM14CHCS with heat pump. I have had it apart to "make it more efficient". If you truly want a 2 tube portable here's what you need to address.
1. There are louvers in the rear that draw from inside the house.
2. The condensation pan isn't sealed to the outer shell. Its a 1/2- 1" gap all the way around that will suck air from inside.
3. There is no backdraft damper, air from outside will come through your intake tube.
4. There is no defrost cycle. So if you address 1-3 it will help with AC but the coil will freeze in the winter. The Whynter arc14sh is basically the same unit and it says below 45deg F to remove the outdoor intake.
Long comment but allot of people seemed interested in this for some reason.
singel hoze is like a fireplace. it pumps fresh air in. its perfect for basement when you want cold bad smelling moister air from floor go away. also heats up greate in 1 hour i have 70 f. 64 square yards. only one thats better is a fire place. its like an FTX almost.
Thanks for the video! I'd like to hear about efficiency vs. oil heater or propane, e.g. costs vs comfort.
Wouldn’t go near a Delonghi again. Called to inform them of a design defect in their toasters and got told to sod off to the retailer and exchange it for another model of theirs. Told them that it’s a small retailer and their only offering- well that’s too bad, no exchanges. Fixed the defect myself and my sister permanently borrowed it.
I can only guess that you have not let it run awhile ….as with any of these its mentioned to disconnect the intake hose at a bout 40 degrees .when I have not done this the whole unit freezes up and it take s long time to defrost ,not only that I wish some one mentioned that it should have a filter put on the end of the hose
You're genius! And here in Europe we are crying about natural gas prices!
Thanks for your video. This is what I'm looking
Great video..
This is the best RUclips video on Portable heat pumps.. 3 years old this vid.. no manufacturing is taking seriously this Segment .. SO! .. Elon watch this video.. Make a Window plug and play out of the Model 3 Heat Pump .. and lets get this party started.. as soon as you get done smoking weed with Rogan .. Ha!! LOL!!! .. i know you're already thinking it .. Double lol!
Curious what the wattage is on this and how many square feet you're heating. Also do you unhook one of the pipes when it's freezing out?
My portable AC has heating mode to and it works great. Heat output is about 45-50c degrees and it doesn't have the two hose system.
Besides that it pulls water out of the air a lot. I don't think 12.000btu isn't gonna be enough in the winter.
Dude must have a monthly electric bill as big as my annualized electric expense.
I was looking at my invertor window ac thinking why doesnt anyone make a heat pump window unit ? It would be great for southern milder winters
They do i think is is the midea 12k btu whit a heat pump
Howdy, neighbor. Also from upstate ny, December 18, 2020- we got pounded with snow, 40" where I am. Hope you are all staying warm?
Dual house units state in their manual to remove input hose for better performance in winter. Dual hose at colder temperatures can do more harm than good. Dual hose benefits are good in summer
interesting is this because the cold side freezes? maybe its good to mix some air on the inlet hose poke a few holes in it !
@@MatthewEng2593 I have a dual hose ac with heat, 14,000 btu and use it to heat in winter. If intake hose is connected unit will freeze up when Temps drop below 36 degrees. Plus if both are connected, water accumulates so fast it can't dry it up, so removing intake hose is best in winter.
OK but if it's single hose, WHERE does it get the heat from? Seems to me like heat mode would be impossible with only one hose. (cold mode is fine with single hose).
@@tomgrant6563 heat exchange from outside. It extracts heat from outside and leaves it inside. Basically acts as an AC for outdoors
@@supriyasou3722 I mean a single hose one. Are you talking dual hose?
I have one then I use it in my trailer even in the the winter I don't know how it works but that's why I'm trying to find out what are more curious about is Emma supposed to vent the cold air out
I have a similar unit that is 4-in-1, dual hose etc. I understand using the dual hose for the A/C, but I have not been able to get a definitive answer on its necessity of using it through the window in the winter? I heard you mention negative pressure, but if you have a large room in a large home, could this work without running the hoses to the window?
How are these with electric bills
Thanks!
is the heater a heat pump for sure, and not just a resistive heater? i wonder how many watts its using while putting out that heat at 128 degrees?
If the primary function is air conditioning and it has a heating function it is always heatpump. It would become explosive if a heating element is placed close to the R290 gasses that most Airco's use
@@MrHarvenator thanks i picked one up for super cheap and love it
@@jasonbrown467 Awesome! I recently found out that mine only uses 1230 Watt to produce 3300 Watt in Heating mode, that is 3 times cheaper than my conventional electric heaters. Keep in mind you'll have to drain a lot of water cause it dehumidifies at the same time in both heating and cooling mode. My wash was dry in a jiffy as a by product
It is rising because you should have used a meat thermometer or a digital thermometer, not an infrared thermometer.
Do you need the hose when using heat mode?
Are you baking bread in there? 125 and rising is fine with you?
Why not just use the fire behind the tv over useing power far better way of heating
what model is it and where did you get it
So you don't have any issues below 40° outside temperature?
I have the MM14chcs which looks about the same and I can tell you that the only reason his hasn't frozen up is there are louvers below that hose he added. They pull inside air over the condenser coil. And even if he blocked that there is no gasket sealing the condenser condensate pan to the outer shell. I have mine apart currently.
I don't understand how the coil isn't frozen when it's that cold outside. It's pulling outdoor air isn't it?
No, the cold air is being vented outside, inside air is being heated up on the com.pression side of the pump, and the low pressure side is vented outside. Having a heat pump inside the house means that no matter how cold it is outside, the unit still blows warm.
@@TIGERSDFW but then cold air is being drawn in because of negative air pressure. Isn't that less efficient?
@@RobertLanghorn negative air pressure? I don't remember that term from thermodynamics class. I am ising something similar right now on my hisense unit. My unit has one input and one output. One is warm one is cold, normally this unit is an air conditioner venting heat, i simply switched the vents, so the one going outside pushes cold air out, and the heat exchangers are inside the unit, inside the house. I used the unit as we were below zero last week and the heat blowing from the unit is the same regardless of outside temperature
@robert langhorn There's still heat in the cold air. That's how all 'split system' or other heat pump heaters work.
I'm a refrigeration technician and I understand how heat pumps work. My question is regarding the efficiency of drawing the warm air from the room and sending outside after removing some heat. Doesn't that mean air is being pulled in from outside somewhere else in the house? Isn't that air cold? Are you pulling sewer/septic air in through the drains? Doesn't it become a space heater and cools the rest of the house? The coil will freeze if you attached both ducts when the temperature is below 45°F.
If an air conditioner can heat then it’s a heat pump. Right?!
no it’s either heat pump or electrical heat strip. very different
yes heap pumps and air conditioners are the same thing basicly. they are interchangable if it says heat pump or reversible on the A/C. or you can hack a cheaper model
@@graywolf3456 I’m looking for just such a Hack, I have a portable AC unit in my shop and would like to convert it into a heater for this winter. Do you have any suggestions, videos etc. thanks.
@smokeyeule18 there is no hack. The only way to get it to work is to put the ac outside and connect the hose inside. The issue is it will not cool the already outside cold air and pump the heat in. Even if it did it would fail because the coil would freeze and it doesn't have a defrost setting.
nice. what BTU is the heat pump? and did you say 1600 square ft? im gonna try this myself just got an A/C
what’s model ur useful?THX
I have that same ac/heater, mine seems to be defective. When using it for heat it only runs about 10 minutes before shutting off, it will only turn back on after draining the water tank, sometimes I will only get a few drops while others seems to be 1-2 cups. There is no way this thing is pulling that much water out of the air in 10 minutes.
you would be very surprised. remember, when in heat mode it is pulling moisture from OUTSIDE and its condensing INSIDE where it then has to be drained.
@@ihatejustin500 Negative, when using as a heater you remove the intake hose so you are pulling from inside the house. And before you say I am wrong, that is straight from the manufacturer, I reached out to them before I started using it as a heater as there are tons of people saying the intake hose has to be left hooked up, while others say to remove it. So instead of wasting my time with the opinions of keyboard warriors I went straight to the source.
@@urbanedgeautodetailing you are wrong. That defeats the purpose. You are literally bringing in cold air back to the home and reducing your heating capacity AND efficiency by a lot.
@@randybobandy9828 No, removing the intake(not exhaust hose) circulates the inside air back into the edgestar, stops it from freezing and heats much better. Wish I knew that years Ago. Having the intake hose connected, brings in cold air outside and reduces efficiency.
@rotwiler7674 yes I know it's the intake hose you're talking about. If you take off your intake hose, it will create negative pressure in the home and cause cold air to seep in your home from cracks and doors. They should just make these units function like a mini split, yes the condenser coil will freeze but that's the why they have a defrost cycle. I have a single hose portable 12000bru heatpump and it doesn't heat any better than a 1500w(5300btu)electric heater because it creates a vaccum and pulls cold air in.
Yea these are great as supplemental heat but I would not use one as primary for replacing a furnace. Remember it still will take the exact same amount of power as a portable heater. 1200 watts heat pump takes the same power as a 1200 watt baseboard heater. The difference is how it works. Moving or pumping heat is more efficient than resistive heating and can help lower your bill a little. Once outdoor temperatures drop to 40 degrees, heat pumps start losing efficiency, and they consume more energy to do their jobs. When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as the most efficient heating option. That is why whole house heat pumps almost always have backup heat strips when it gets down to freezing. Once at freezing the heat pump will actually consume more energy to reach the desired temperature.
No, they are great for primary heat.
You're describing COP problems that happened 20+ years ago. Technology changes. I've heated a house in Wisconsin winters w/ inverter multi-spit installed in 2019. There are heat pumps that have COP>1 @ 15F outdoor, which means they are using a variable compressor under pressurized refrigerant -- and not falling back to heat strips. There are new heat pumps & mini-splits that generate more BTU given the same Watts as electric baseboard. I do understand where you're coming from -- the public has been scammed by "efficient" heaters that are all 1500W heat strips. But a heat strip would be COP=1 so yea, if someone has an old heat pump in
That's with the heat pump outside, with this setup the heat pump is inside the room you are heating.
Im confused about using this... I have one in my room. Do I need to have it "connected" through the window like him, when it's cold out when I'm trying to use the heat function?
@@sladewilson5860 remove intake tube when cold out using it for heat. If not will freeze condenser on near freezing days. I use one to heat my house all winter. That's for dual hose, if single hose you have to have it connected. Remember to put something over the tube to not let cold air in. I just put a towel in mine
I used to have 2 1,500 watt portable heaters, cost over $100 month to run in winter and that's only when i was awake. I have a 14,000 btu edgestar unit with heat, uses around 10 amps, can run 75 inch tv, fan, lights, my laptop etc of same breaker. So using 1/3 less power for more heat. 10 amp is approx 1,000 watts compared to 3,000 i was using. Electric bill dropped $70+. And 2 electric heaters put out around 11,000 btu only.
What brand is the larger portable unit
These units are junk at 45 degress
Works great lol