iPhone 14 eSIM Controversy Explained
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Apple iPhone 14 eSIM is here. Some people are angry.
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For me, the deal breaker is not being able to use the phone in my home country. I travel frequently to my home country, and eSIM is not available on ANY carrier. I am NOT eager to pay $45 for 1gb of data on Holafly or Airalo, when I can get unlimited data for $20 using a local carrier. Also, in many cases, the places where eSIM is available, carriers lock them to be used only on contract plans, not prepaid. So yeah, traveling with a US iPhone 14 is more of a hassle than a commodity.
Buy a Canadian iPhone
Might as well buy the Canadian variant
Sounds like Apple is doing you a favor because iPhones are garbage.
Also swapping between iphones and non iphones is a pain today with esims. This is a classic move to force people to not want to try other phones just coz of the sheer inconvenience or switching esims.
@@rahullulay there is no easy way to swap esim between Android and Apple devices today anyway because of the way Apple prefers to deliver the esim to a device. When you switch you really get a new profile instead of a new one.
Headphone jack removal could be ignored. But sim tray removal is different, it can stop you from being able to make call/text or use your data if you travel to a country which doesn’t support eSim. So that adds you another concern when you travel.
Airlo
It will just make it a hassle. You'd have to buy a cheap smartphone while traveling or a hotspot device.
No hassle for iPhone 14 EU users. SIM tray included lol@@Sulfen
What i hate about this is at first other phone company will mock apple for doing this but later they'll follow the damn change.
Yea I still remember Samsung mocking the headphones jack removal.
That’s what you hate about this? The d&ck measuring competition between giant multinationals? Not the taking away of usability for you the end user? You’ve got some priority issues to address
That's why there's Sony
That's why I have the X5ii.
Got tired of bending ass backwards and losing features plus I wanted more freedom so I got an Xperia.
Gaslighting
@@brandonb7120 what?
One of the benefits with a physical SIM card is that you can easily pop in a new card to change providers.
An eSIM could enable providers to change cancellation fees to change providers as they authorize the change.
Lol nobody would go to a provider that makes those charges, even if some of them do it they will quickly get put in their place and bullied by the market to get rid of it
Keyword: "could." Doesn't mean they will. It is just your assumption. People are going crazy for no reason.
And don’t buy iPhone 14, keep your old iPhone and problem solved
using an eSim removes your capabilities of standard traditional message and calling you have to pre-paid data plan then you can have signal bars.
Super true
We don't want e-sim, it should be an option, not mandatory
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It's the inability to quickly switch phones for me. Having to contact the carrier each time to do this simple task - and everyone knows the "support" they get from speaking to carrier customer service - is a non starter for me right now. Seriously, imagine not being able to switch phones because of heavy volume of calls. I feel like this is something the carriers wanted to push as it discourages people from switching carriers.
You obviously don't know how to transfer esims among phones
@@livingaboard and you apparently are under the impression that your experience transferring esims between phones is all encompassing. Lol.
@@mphillips2110 it’s just as easy as psychical card.
@@darth_kal-el no it's not buddy. Keep lying to yourself
@@darth_kal-el How
Leave it to Apple to fix what is not broken
imagine having to contact Microsoft or Apple everytime you plug in or disconnect a USB stick. I dont want to use an app or have to call customer service to perform a simple chip swap. This takes away a lot of control from the users and forces us to funnel our needs through a 3rd party. Totally unnecessary.
It doesn’t require that. Only for the first install, then it’s stored on your phone and you can switch anytime. Just like a physical SIM, where you need to get the physical card, which is the equivalent of getting an app
@@anianii The point is it shouldn't be necessary at all. If there were a way to have a SIM profile that can easily be installed by the user on multiple phones, it'd be a different story. But as it stands, you need the carrier's blessing every single time you need to put a phone number on a new phone.
It's also not "like a physical SIM" because you don't need to get a new card every time you get a new phone.
@@anianii Do you really trust carriers to keep the process that way? There's too much money in adding more hurdles or fees to make it harder to switch things later on.
@@mphillips2110 The carriers have no influence on that. It’s a part of the phone software. Once you first installed the eSIM, the carrier doesn’t know whether it’s just stored and inactive or the phone is turned off or in Airplane Mode. So unless they start to charge you for every Time you restart the phone, they won’t charge you here either
@@anianii But the phone software _could_ let the carrier know of its use in the future, and the carrier would then charge you fees. It's about *trust* in companies that _you have no voting rights in, no economic recourse for, who are controlled by people who couldn't give a rat's ass about you._
ok so let me get this straight, apple redid their packaging so that there was less waste but then at the same time takes away the ability to reuse older phones which is gonna create a lot more waste.
you cant reuse stolen phones, you can reuse any normal phone obviously. What a weird way you interpreted that...
@@avgvstvs96 so let’s say you have a new phone and you want to switch to an older phone for the day how can you do that if your new phone doesn’t have an SIM card?
@@avgvstvs96 that’s weird that you would even interpret What I said as weird when he even said it in the video
Finally people are seeing the scene of the green agenda. Did you know that BP the oil giant were the ones to coin the phrase carbon footprint? Yeah about that do some research and follow the crumbs and you’ll be surprised how many people sit back and allow these idiots to govern their lives without even knowing it. Apple is no different.
This kind of thing should be able to be done on your carriers app/website. Want to use an old phone? Well it's going to need a physical card. I'm going to assume there's already one in there, but if not, you'll need to grab one.. once you've got that, you should just be able to log into your account, manage your number, and activate whatever IMEI and SIM you want to activate.. When you're done.. put in the IMEI of your newer phone and it'll generate a new eSIM for you.. yeah it's a pain.. but think of it like switching from the headphone jack to Bluetooth. Headphone jacks were great for "when you're in a pinch" but now that everything is wireless the pros outweigh the cons once everyone got used to it, even if Bluetooth can sometimes be a pain.
Have you tried Mighty Travels Premium yet?
This seems like it puts even more control into the hands of companies, and we won't be able to do anything about it.
Vote with your wallet then, that's doing something.
@@2078smith you will be
just don't buy it then lol
Paranoid
@@sourcream how
I recently switched carriers in the US and loaded an eSIM in an iPhone 13. The process was anything but straightforward and smooth. You also need to have internet access to receive an eSIM, which you don’t have if there’s no Wi-Fi and you don’t have a functioning SIM. This has happened to me while traveling and being in remote areas doing field work (I’m a geologist). This is a deal killer for me.
I can't imagine trying to activate while overseas on wifi to keep your number while roaming if you lose or break your device they probably would charge extra if it were possible.
make sense, everything need internet to work, lol
@@hackdockage_1286 loser
But the Iphone 13 , 13 pro and the 13 pro max do take nano sims. I just bought one used and just switched my nanosim from my old phone to my new one.
Yeah they do but when I had an 11 and 13 I used the eSIM for my main carrier for security...cant take the SIM card out if it gets stolen@@marshallhughes4514
eSIM will make tracking your phone far more easier. More authority to the companies, more power to surveillance.
Apple with their 'privacy focus' already has back doors for US government agencies.
As far as I know they don't need a warrant to search either. It's not inconceivable that one could just criticise a politician and be tracked.
True!
IMEI: Am I a joke to you?
Not true 0_0
@@AnimMouse 😂😂
The move to go eSIM only is a deal-breaker for me. Although it states that it's for the US only, a lot of regions use the US variant in their countries. Sadly most of these countries, like mine, do not support eSIM.
Which country are you in currently?
Thank god it’s USA only so I don’t have to deal with it
What country?
@@samuel-wankenobi *yet
@@arjunsen8112 Trinidad and Tobago...hopefully this pushes carriers to update their systems
From someone that works for a Service provider I see many many issues coming, not only impractical especially for travelers because not all countries offer esims and the ones that do overcharge you for it but trouble shooting also.
A lot of times when customers have signal issues a simple SIM change fixes that, with eSIM you’re pretty much fucked a have to resort to warranty or insurance claims, this change takes away all practicality and ease of access to your network without having to go through the hassle of contacting the carrier to make changes
Out of interest with respect to signal issues, is the SIM swap you're referring to within the Sam's carrier or between different carriers? If the same, surely signal issues should be the same, if not better (and worst comes to worst, you can "reset" the eSIM)?
(Genuine question btw, I'm not informed either way!)
@@fetchstixRHD I was referring within the same carrier, and yes eSIM tends to work better than physical SIM cards because I have a lot of customers that prefer eSIM and they (for the most part) experience less connection interruptions than those with a physical one, however I have seen instances where eSIM customers had to go as far as switching back to physical or filing warranty exchanges due to their phones simply not working at all with the eSIM and we all know warranty exchanges are certified pre-owned devices. I believe it’s just a hassle overall for both customer and carrier representative because the systems are not there yet and from personal experience trouble shooting or “resetting” an eSIM is about 90% useless
The eSIM is not hardware so should not have SIM issues and a reboot of the eSIM or a firmware update will fix. I am sure Apple will have technicians that can resolve that.
Travelers buy the phone and have international plans. You don't have to swap sim cards to go to a different country lol.
@UCC7xfSSswK_q_nbPQQAE-_A lol sounds like you work for one of the prepaid Carriers associated with company I work for… iPhone 13 launch was painful lol
The e-sim has definitely given me pause in buying the 14. I have a couple of phones that I like the swap out frequently. There should be a US model that provides a choice between using the sim and e-sim. 🤔
There's a reason why the US model is the only one without a physical SIM card. They want to change the US market before they go for the rest of the world. Europe/Canada may be next unless the EU makes laws against it.
They should sell an unlocked no carrier option that has a physical SIM and an eSIM like the Canadian iPhone 14/15
The privacy point made last was then most important. Control and money. In Mexico, an active Sim costs $5 and requires no personnel info. This is a lazy attempt from Apple to save build cost in the name of advancement on your $1000+ phone making it not truly travel-ready. What sucks is they will get away with it. I keep two active sims from two countries in my S21 Ultra.
The privacy point can be a valid concern, but has very little to do with eSIM from a conceptual point of view. Both SIM and eSIM could work anonymously, if the will was there. Also the overwhelming majority of the countries require some form of ID to have a cellphone number and have been doing that for years. Control is a political will, and the SIMs that have been around for three decades now have everything on board already to enable control for any government who wants to. They just need an ID requirement for everyone buying SIMs.
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México is more an exception than the norm. I'm currently in Indonesia, where the government requires everyone to hand over their passports and IMEI to be stored in a database if you want to buy a local sim card, even if you're staying only for two weeks.
Ironically, if I hadn't wanted to do that, my option would have been to use a travel eSIM that covered this region. Since the cost is 3x to 5x a local simcard for the same amount of data, I opted to hand over my data. (which they have anyway in one form or another..)
@@tapatazapata5970 I agree, also once you activated a phone. All base stations (the government) and ofc carrier itself know what imei is connected and was used. So you would have to throw away that phone when it's been used.
Esim might get cheap so now i can quickly buy a sim of the internet with monero and thus able to create a fake profile. Year later i just remove the phone number
As a full-time drugdealer, I find that really impossible from Apple!
Bruh, every drug dealer I know buys Nokia flip phones, easier to dispose off since you can break them in two and throw them in the bin.
Go full analog: can't hack a piece of paper, can't listen to a conversation when there's no recording device in sight. Pro tip: every speaker can be a microphone, so remove them as well wherever you conduct your business
@@9an13l I hear a quill and leather flap is great for security.
@@mannylupercio8194 at this point writing in regional cursive would probably be enough security lol
Lmaooooo
I work for a large company and manage phones for my region of the company. Verizon recently changed their policy to not provide a sim card with devices in anicipation of this change (you can still request one). I've had to set up a few esim only devices and it is a major pain compared to just inserting the sim card. Their queues are long and its a long process to get the device properly configured. We reuse devices and sim cards daily and being able to just put in a sim and assign it to the user is crucial. The amount of time I will be spending on the phone with Verizon is going to increase substantially. We will be sticking with sim compatible models until we are forced to change.
Especially if the customers aren't tech savvy, that queue will be long as F!ck
I’ll give up my Apple if they go to esim
I have two numbers and they are both esims in the iPhone 13 Pro Max never realized till I checked.
ESIM the GSM that acts like a CDMA
I hope there is a big enough backlash for Apple for them and every other competitor to learn that they are not the wave everyone else has to ride and hopefully other phone manufacturers do not follow or keep the possibility of having a physical SIM
Unfortunately other manufacturers WILL follow suit
I hope so, because this going backfire. Not everywhere nation going have this new system.
There's never a big enough backlash against Apple. Too many adopters that don't pay attention. Any and every time Apple has removed something it has never come back.
@@danielromeo99 I highly doubt android will follow consider how many mobile brand are there
@@Ryanlexz Samsung a and pixel phones will . And really at this point no one else matters
As someone that works at a cellphone store. Apple made our jobs a lot harder. We had to re learn everything from scratch. Troubleshooting is now off the table. I tried getting ahead of this six months ago but still it's hard.
Boycott iPhone. simple.
I agree, tried to do an eSIM earlier this month and its a nightmare man. QR codes don't work and carriers have implemented them so poorly.
It’s pretty simple…
Stick to riding horse.
@@Striker52C for me it’s been hit or miss, i’ve done esims about 10 times, not much but sometimes it is done in 2 seconds or other times it takes a few minutes
"Theoretically it should be easier to switch providers"
Theoretically, you could choose your carrier on a list in your phone configurations, but here what they made was that you have to buy a piece of paper with a QR code on it so you can activate your eSIM. They don't sell it online, they won't send you an email or message with the link or QR on it, you have to physically go to a store and buy a piece of paper with the QR code. I was so angry with that...
If Apple did it to provide you with a better product, then they'd give you an SD card slot in the place of the now missing sim slot.
Holy cow…I know this was most likely sarcasm but…hell, that would be too honest of Apple. Shame 😭
Or reasonably prices storage upgrade options.
Excellent point.
Removable storage is so much more useful than SIM. But Apple won't give it to you because they want you to pay a monty icloud subscription.
simple. if u want SD get an android. or utilize a work around for mobile physical storage, plenty exist and cheap! 😒
My issue with Apple removing eSim is that they're forcing people to use the more expensive carriers then the cheaper ones because a lot of cheaper carriers won't carry eSim, yes these cheaper carriers would eventually go eSim, but by then a lot of people already stuck to the more expensive carriers because that all they had at the beginning and eSim takes a lot more steps to connect your phone to a carrier using the app so they don't want to chage to the cheaper one.
Yep. It lowers apple's costs and helps big carrier profits. That's it. No benefit to the consumer. Fuck apple.
Can use mint mobile and they have esim.
@@kingbucketz182 He might not be talking about the USA, and Mint mobile has had issues with esim like every other month just go read their reddit about people complaining
They aren't removing e sim 😂
Mint mobile is trash
The fact that Apple is making a different version of iPhone to a specific region will have a profound affect, and in my view, damage their reputation permanently. Now there will be a "inferior version" of the same product according to different regions. As a global company, Apple's greed will become its downfall.
Apple is too big to have a downfall especially right now
Apple has been making different versions of iPhone, Watch & almost every other device for different regions since forever, you just don’t notice/ realise it, until you need to get your device serviced/ repaired/ replaced when you’re in a different region…
It's means that stolen iPhone 14 devices are useless outside the States.
Remember if apple does it first. Then Samsung and other phone brands will gonna follow soon so be prepared
@@endrickcuyos6965
That's why Xperias exist.
Which I gladly have and will use for a long ass time seeing as how the phone industry is at taking features away from us easily and having more control over us.
No thanks.
Which is why I been with Xperia phones for years.
I'm so surprised by people to be honest I guess they don't mind being controlled so easily and are happy with things being removed.
Not me though why would I support such a trend like that when phones like Xperias exist.
Support Sony or keep getting bent ass backwards people.
Next up will be the removal of the charging port and volume buttons.
Get ready to be bent more lol it's not over yet
What happens when you’re traveling to a foreign country and you purchase a sim at the airport. If foreign carriers don’t support eSIM then you’re out of luck.
You can pay something like 20 or even 50 dollars per GB to your USA ISP in order to stay connected. Good to be an American.
A lot of people, including myself, travel to the US just to buy a phone because it's cheaper than buying it locally. eSIM is still not supported in my country and I refuse to buy an iPhone that is 400 or 500 dollars more expensive.
Facts
Exactly the issue
What?
Exactly
@unboxtherapy003👉telegram the same issue with me
I work for Verizon. All I can say is I hope our systems can handle this and phones don’t get stuck in activation.
My question is who from America will go to a foreign country with this mobile which does not have e-SIM, then how will he use the SIM if he buys that country's SIM?
This has happened to me 3 times. Each time I was out of service on Verizon for 3-4 days.
I had to port out and port back twice in order to get service again.
Sucks man. Better have some Tylenol ready.
I work for verizon too and I’m not ready for Friday 😭😭😭
System?
@@michael.barlow i dont know. The bigger carriers provide roaming on other regional carriers. Without extra cost. When i travelled to the middle east for a couple of months with my dutch simcard it just said Roaming all the time but my bill was still the same.
Less control for consumers, I mean this is the Apple way. Anything they can do to lock you they will do it.
This is so not about saving the environment, it's about more control of what you can do with the devices you PAID for.
I hope this is something that doesn't take off but looking at the past for some reason companies just start following Apple. Non-removable batteries, no headphone jack, ugly notches.
Wrong, sorry. With iMessage, your argument does hold up, but for pretty much EVERYTHING else, your statement is plain wrong. Been a Mac and iPhone user for decades and not limited in any way.
Exactly.
Soon charging port will be gone as will the volume buttons.
Who needs that shit anyways right?
Just takes up space.
Then you will have people saying it's to make phone smaller (yet they have biggest screens ever lol) and more water proof yet... you can now backup just about everything so do we really need waterproof phones?
I never dropped any of my phones in water period.
To late now people already bent ass backwards and now here we are this is what the the phone industry is at.
I only have consumers to blame.
Thank god Sony doens't follow suit will be buying Xperia phones in the future already have X5ii and has everything on it that you can ask for.
@@iamdalibor Swiss army knives are a bitch for buttering bread. But hey, they have a dozen other tools that I don't need! 🙃
@@coolfactormac
iOS is the most limited/restricted OS, iSheep. Wake up.
@@ViIgax But if it does everything that I need it to do, is it limiting me?
Easy to hate based on general nonsense.
I’d say the carrier companies were behind this as much as apple. Some Secondary cell service companies don’t have esim so more people sticking to att Verizon and T-Mobile and second makes it harder to swap phones out constantly which means you’ll stick with them.
Swapping between carriers will still be easy if you own an unlocked phone and aren't paying for bill credits over 2-3 years. With iPhone going eSIM all of the small carriers will quickly adopt eSIM. iPhone is the most popular phone in the US -- small carriers won't thrive without an iPhone option.
@@BC08 literal cope. That doesn't mean its a good decision
No i think Apple is gearing up to buy some carrier servers to make Apple 100% stand alone
@@chrisprilloisebola It’s not a cope at all, much less a literal one. It’s a fact
@@chrisprilloisebola Cope? Sim removal was predictable, and once samsung inevitably remove their sim trays in the next year or two, you expect the small carriers to only provide service to old phones? Theyve gotta adapt like everyone else. Same mfs complaining about DVD players not being common anymore lol
so the US model won't have a physical sim slot but the international ones will have one while also keeping the option to use an eSIM? That's a considerable amount of space to have "saved" by not including a physical SIM, so I wonder what the difference in spec will be between the two models. Otherwise if the phones are identical in every other way, it'll just further show that this move is completely anti-consumer and purely for the benefit of Apple and phone carriers
Since Apple has to build a version of the iPhone 14 series with a physical SIM card tray for non-US markets, there will be nothing but empty space where the SIM tray would be. It would cost too much to give only US iPhones new hardware that fills the space where the SIM tray would be. The only exception I can think of is for satellite connectivity antennas or modems.
Like what the guy in the video said, he will not buy a US version. America is Apple's home market. Sooner or later Americans will know they are getting an inferior version.
SOMEONE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS!
I have an iPhone 12 Pro , which as both ESIM and Sim Card slot and 90% of times configuring ESIM or transferring ESIM profile is a headache. Sometimes the service provider themselves dont have clue on how to fix problems. Once configured it works flawlessly though.
For avoiding this headache I just use Physical sim
@Phillip Banes That's why I said the only exception I can think of is something related to satellite connectivity. Either a satellite antenna or modem using the extra room. We'll find out soon enough after Friday, when I'm sure iFixit will have a teardown.
One thing that people forget is that Verizon and Sprint/Nextel in the US years and years ago used CDMA with no SIM cards at all. This worked exactly the same as the current eSIM tech except you couldn't use it at all outside of the country and you couldn't have 2 phone numbers on a single phone. SIM cards used to only be an option for GSM networks and once the iPhone moved to 4G LTE and off of the old 3G standards, Verizon and Sprint moved to SIM cards for the first time. So in a way it's reverting back to the way Verizon and Sprint did things during the 3G CDMA days with more adoption globally. I do see the concerns but I think we will eventually get to a point where this is a non issue.
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That’s correct, most forget about the past when this was definitely not an issue. Thanks for pointing that out!
Exactly! This is is a dumb move from apple
Yeah but I like swapping between phones through out the week , I remember when Sprint did that it made me mad because I knew other people you had T-Mobile in AT&t that didn't have to do that I believe this is a way to force people to upgrade their phones and trade their phones and because they won't be able to use them swap between them . When I swap phones it makes me hold off from upgrading to a new phone because once I get bored of the phone I just swapped to another phone that is older and it feels new again just for a little while
I still prefer SIM cards. eSIM makes it better for providers but harder for us, consumers.
Deal breaker for sure... I have multiple phones and change sim when doing certain activities like snowboarding , I dont take my nice new phone, i take a backup phone. This is going 15-20 years backwards. the world is GSM , Verizon used to have locked phones with no sim which is why i choose ATT. This is not good no matter how you try and dress it up. Also i sell my old phones when done, this will be a pain
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Anyone who has ever had an eSim installed should know it is a nightmare. The apps don't work, the QR codes don't work, the employees don't know how to do it because so few people use it. Last time I tried it travelling to Switzerland I was in that bloody shop for over two hours before they finally got my eSim to work.
It’s took 2hrs in t mobile for me last time 🤣
I switched to esim about a month ago and so far no issues
Just got rid of my razr which was an Esim. It’s a ducking disaster. If you break the phone you lose your phone until it gets replaced. Don’t get an esim phone.
It can either be a really easy process or an overly complicated annoying one. Last week I had complete hell trying to set up eSIM on my 13 PM. However, whenever I finally got it to work properly I installed another eSIM and that one went so smoothly. It took about 3 minutes total.
its true i work in the biggest telecom company in denmark and the issue with the qr scanner is truth to it we always need to contact Apple to activate it plus the waiting time for costumer can be hours its so stupid the esim
It’s a deal breaker for me too, I travel a lot and need to be able to switch out my SIM card to each country I am staying at every time. With e sim I loose that flexibility. I am not those people that will use my AT&T oversea carrier rate in a different countries since I normally have to stay from weeks to months at a time at different location. Maybe I am just the minority :/
im with you
How does eSIM prevent you from swapping out for each country you visit? Genuinely curious, as I plan to do a substantial amount of overseas travel next year.
@@brendancoots When you go to the country you’re visiting, you could just buy a prepaid sim anywhere in that country, swap the US sim to the local sim and you’re done. As long as you have an unlocked phone. You don’t have to contact the local service provider to activate the sim. When you put the new sim, it will automatically activate the service. With e-sim, some local service providers don’t have pre paid e-sim. And there is the inconvenience of going to local service provider’s store to activate a service. This removal of the sim tray is actually going back to the CDMA age.
Just go and buy a EU model it still got the Sim tray
@@prospera93 10% more expensive than US models. And importing from Europe to the US will cost you even more with the taxes.
Like smart meters.. this is for the benefit of the providers not the customers
eSIM jacking is already a thing. It's the same process basically. My brother used eSIM with Mint Mobile, and had it jacked, then his PayPal and such were compromised
jacked?
@@bigunclepanda1303 hacked
@@bigunclepanda1303 slang term for stolen. Makes more sense in this context to say "jacked" since its called sim jacking.
@@TechX1320 i ordered the 14, im switching from a s8+, u think the convert will be easy with the sims
@@bigunclepanda1303 depends on your carrier more than your device. The hardest part is going to be switching from old Android to new iPhone. That switch isn't easy. Depending on how you use a phone personally, you might find yourself missing Android or you might not and nothing will change.
I can bounce back and forth between De-Googled Phones and regular Android phones, but iOS doesn't work for me because some of what I do for work requires a rooted device
As someone who works for the big three carriers
This is a bad move for those who might not have WiFi to set up the phone
I think I saw on apples website that Esim setup won’t require Wi-Fi anymore
If you have enough money to buy iPhone 14 then you have wifi at home.
My brother literally bought one, realized the sim issue and canceled it. This will hurt apple.
Hope we can stop this before this cancer spreads out till other manufacturers
It’ll hurt Apple if people don’t like it. The iPhone 14 is a warmed over 13 with crash detection so you can save money and get a sim slot. If you need the 14 Pro you could order it from another country if you just want a premium phone Apple aren’t the only game in town. Some Android phone maker are starting to offer more than a couple of years of OS support.
@Benjamin Jagun I personally wont be upgrading this year from my 13 pro max due to this, neither is my brother. Hopefully more people do the same.
@@alexisjavier84 Upgrade from 13 Pro Max to 14 Pro Max?
@@franciscodiaz5778 ??
So I like to switch between phones a lot but with the same carrier. That’s just what I do. So would I not be able to switch between 13 Pro and 14 at will anymore?
Went with the iPhone 13 at the new price for the physical sim slot. Apple royally messed up
Just get the European model.
Hi, I'm greatly affected by the change. I mainly purchase my Apple devices (mostly iPhones) in the US because it's cheaper. Now with the eSIM, my country is not offering eSIM for prepaid phones but only for those with monthly subscriptions. Also, it will be cumbersome when traveling compared to just swapping your SIM card to the country you are traveling.
That’s true. I hope Globe and Smart would allow prepaid eSIMs already. I’ve been wanting to have dual SIM on my 12 pro.
Next time buy your iPhone from Canada and you will get physical sim tray.
Until more providers offer it since it can host multiple eSims. Honestly seems like it's another headphone jack issue. It'll be fine in the long term and other carriers and phones will follow suite.
@@mohammedalsarraf6016 Australia also offers the sim tray version
@@mohammedalsarraf6016 someone didn't read the comment...
Maybe the iPhone 15 will remove the charge port and force you to use the mag safe charger as a way to circumvent the whole being forced to use USB C in some nations.
I think the writing's been on the wall for a while. I can totally see them doing this as a middle finger to the EU
but you can't transfer data with magsafe, that's the only problem they have currently
@@s._81 I could see apple doing some wireless thing for transferring data. You know like they did with the signal going down the wire of earphones
@@FubarMike true, and with airdrop they made it a matter of tapping a button
sy only if you own only apple devices
Basically having an eSIM is a double edge sword. I like the fact that nobody will be able to remove my Sim card in order to steal my phone and not allowing me to track it. Unfortunately I’ve been in the situation where somebody had stolen my iPhone back when iPhone 5s was the latest iPhone. But at the same time just like you’ve pointed out Lou having the ability to swap my Sim card from one phone to the other is very convenient when my iPhone is being repaired or charging.
Every model except the US model has one eSIM + and one physical SIM (well the China/HK models have dual physical SIMs technically) so its not an either or.
The thing I hate about these successful tech channels they won't call out the obvious bullshit these companies do because the money and loss of access. They always play it down the middle. Like it's even close to equal good and bad
As someone who usually owns multiple phones and switched quite often the esim is an instant deal breaker.
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So my family doesn’t have a lot of money so we have been buying used iPhones for a long time. To me E-SIMs would make buying used phones really hard to be accessible. It’s easy to buy an iPhone 13 and below off eBay or local online people and put a SIM card in the phone no problem. I feel like if you have less money these iPhones will really cause a problem with people like me and my family.
Also on the front of phone plans - personally I prefer pay as you go (and outright purchasing devices) over contracts, one less financial obligation and the flexibility to cut costs or pay for more as required. Out of all the options I've tried checking here, I haven't seen (m)any that support PAYG. Not to mention the need to hand over more information about yourself to your carrier...
I change phones on the daily, from iPhone (camera for family time) to z fold 4 (work) to pixel 6 pro (because pixels are awesome). Transitioning to esim will be a huge inconvenience and unfortunately I had to cancel my iPhone pre order. Maybe I can pick up an international version after the launch 🤔
Yep same here was going to upgrade but I'm not going to as I go for my Galaxy to my iPhone back and forth off and on
Go to Canada and pick one up
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Never been to Canada but I wanted to visit could really go just for an iPhone but maybe while I was there
Go with the Canadian version then.
Hopefully the US will switch to a QR-code based implementation, like the rest of the world already uses. Over here in Europe (Serbia) you just get a QR code delivered via email, no phone registration or anything required, which you can reuse as many times as you want and with as many phones as you want. I’m sad that the underlying technology and Apple is being blamed when really the US carriers should be blamed for making things unnecessarily complicated.
I went Italy with 14 Pro Max. I couldn't find any provider with eSim for travellers. Luckly, I had Galaxy S22 Ultra which I was able to use with a sim. (Yes, I have both Phones.)
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Another reason for me to be glad that I don't ever buy iPhones
don't worry, the government will pressure all androids to do the same ... if not make a deadline for it to be mandatory.
@anonymous Hundreds years ago , I tried to buy and Iphone 3 and my old Samsung had some features that Iphone 3 still didn't have. I try with Iphone 4 and 5 and the same so i decided to make a cross on Iphones, yes RIP Iphone, since those days i use android.
Sadly we have lost removable batteries, sd card, headphone jack, charger,and now sim card tray,we are gradually losing control over our devices,therefore buying or owning a device in the future will not be a thing anymore.
what did the WEF say, own nothing and be happy
@@sonacphotos not smart
We've never had so much control with modern smartphones ffs 😂😂
this guy mark is one heck of a sheep.. commenting everywhere justifying everything samsung introduced water resistance even with headphone jack so you dont have to remove something. Secondly having sd slot , 3.5 mm audio jack, physical sim , charger and cable along the mobile is needed however you justify consumer need options. just like you don't like wired headset someone might won't like Bluetooth /tws headphones .
@@vishnutvm8587 Just buy Sony :) They still have everything!
Another important thing that is never talked about is on almost all e sims you do not get a phone number. It is data only to connect to the internet. So no making normal calls. Only making calls on apps!!. So if you need to call a hotel or something like that, it will not work.
Apple knows that the implementation of an eSIM card in its devices has more cons than pros but it still implements it.
That's an opinion
@@chamdabber6899 how
@@mlalbaitero how can you even ask how is that an opinion when it so heavily is?
@@chamdabber6899 the amount of cons and pros for a feature (in this case the removal of a feature) is not an opinion, it's quantitative. Do you know what numbers are?
@@mlalbaitero I have sold it and used it since 2018, no I don't know the numbers, but I have seen plenty of the benefits and disadvantages to it on both ios and android
I used a Microsoft surface duo which had an eSIM and a physical SIM. When I switched devices, my texts weren't coming in on my new device for a while because the eSIM was still active on the old device and they were being sent there. It was a massive headache to remove my eSIM from that device so my new device would work.
Yes I’m very stressed about this . Need some clarification about this
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I was in Kauai usa and my iPhone stopped working: There are no Apple stores. So thankful I was able to get another phone and access my itinerary, travel plans, family, and make payments!
When I travel I want to buy a sim. I wont buy a iPhone without it.
Just don’t buy iPhone without physical sim. Let Apple know that you don’t agree with their decision.
sadly there are sheeps that will buy it, my advice, do not but the US version americans. let them know that it aint right that you have no control over your phone.
Sadly iPhone uses will buy anything iPhobe regardless if they don't like the decisions Apple makes.
@@BLAKEEATS1988 OR better yet get an android phone that offers tons tons of other choices with SIM.
@@AlwaysSmileTv yup i agree!!
@@BLAKEEATS1988 they are even defending it in the comments. Its so pathetic
Had an eSim activated on my unlocked galaxy s22 ultra and eventually the eSim malfunctioned. Fortunately, there was a sim card slot and I was able to insert a traditional sim card, which immediately fixed all connectivity issues. I wanted to change to the 14 pro but skeptical after seeing this information
That's what I'm saying esim isn't reliable same thing happened to use and we changed to physical sims and it solved the issue
Why would you go from the s22 to an iPhone?! 😂
@@DSN262 Samsung recently just got hacked and data was taken from them. I love android but want something with more privacy. Knox has been great up until now and the fact Samsung waited almost a month to inform people of this shows they are pretty shady
@@dasss_it Apple does the same, they have a couple of trackers. I know this sounds boring, but if you read their Privacy Policy page, you'll see that you aren't completely safe either. At least you have more freedom to protect yourself with Android, on iOS you have no choice.
We as a society shouldn’t even need a carrier or a phone number with Things such as Wi-Fi and apps like discord, instagram or Snapchat. But company’s are fucking greedy
Apple is the one responsible for EVERY SINGLE feature we loose in phones, I hope to see a future where Apple falls to a point where they have to realize they need their fans' approval instead of thinking of them as slaves like they do now 🧐
Facts. .. because unfortunately we'll see Samsung , Google etc go e sim only in the next 2 years ...watch this
We loose one and gain one, no way we were going to see a huge wireless headphone market if it was not for apple, we still be using them stupid wired headphones. Travelling is such a breeze now with so much to choose from. And with esim you can buy the plan before travelling with was unheard of with physical sim.
Let's hope this esim mess with apple profits on the iPhone. If it hurts it bad enough, other manufacturers aren't gonna take that chance.
iPhone 15, we made a revolutionary phone without a screen! Apple fans line up to buy phone. Competition makes a phone without a screen.
@@henrybrar Not sure that the wireless headphone market is a net benefit. It was also growing before Apple's decision. You can use wireless headphones with a phone that has a headphone jack, but not vice versa. Having choice is better than not having choice.
If is gonna be a change for sure. I remember when traveling abroad, I could easily walk into a phone store, but a 20 dollar SIM card and have data for the month. Don’t know how I feel about this
The market is obviously going to adapt since there will be demand for more flexibility.
For me, it's a deal braker because I've been traveling to the US to get my last couple of iPhones. Now, since eSIM is not a viable solution in my country, if I want to get an iPhone 14 I'm obligated to purchase it on local stores, meaning that it will cost around $500 USD more that msrp's on the US.
I only have an iPhone and all my passwords in it. The other day I factory erased my iPhone and the eSIM card was removed.
Then when I reinstalled my iPhone i could not get into my iCloud account because Apple was sending me a text code to my phone number (which was an eSIM and was removed ).
Then I could not access my Verizon account to access my eSIM code to install it on my iPhone because now a day we all have too many passwords and they were on my iPhone iCloud Keychain (password manager).
It was a headache.
I will Never go for eSIM again.
All that hassle is resolved having a physical SIM card.
The only thing I dislike about this is that apple only looked really to make sure that the major popular Nations had esim because now this leaves out those of us in Eastern Europe Southeast Asia other lesser visited countries
Won’t hurt apple, there have been many reason to not buy apple products but they still sell. At this point most people choose apple vs other companies. Not for the specs but because the brand.
I have the iPhone13 and I used it with multiple lines (work and personal) from the same carrier. Got the 14pro yesterday and went transfer my numbers to it and iPhone14 doesn’t allow it. looks like you can have multiple eSims but from different carriers not from the same. Smh. Silly move Apple! Not planning to have two phone soo sending the 14 back!
Apple doesn't want you to switch to other phones in case any damage take place. They want you to repair it with huge sums and they want you to take insurance.
Much more plausible
Yup. It's no longer "planned obsolescence" , it's now "forced obsolescence"
So Apple doesn't want you traveling to a slightly less-developed country. Got it.
If we don’t buy iPhone 14, Apple will have no choice but to return the SIM card. We cannot allow providers to have control over us.
You think iPhone buyers would ever do that? Hahahaha. Apple says jump, their customers say how high? That's the way it is
I feel like they should create an easy way to transfer an eSim to another phone. Maybe scan a QR code on the orginal phone and enter a password/face ID to swap.
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I upgraded from an iPhone 6s to a 13 pro, felt justified in my purchase because the 13 pro is the last iPhone that has a physical simtray.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but there's an impact to businesses that provide and manage smartphones for their employees. I work for an 3000+ employee org and we manage over 1200 cellular devices. We have bundles of SIMs from a few providers and can easily switch SIMs. Someone breaks their phone. No problem. We slap that SIM into a used or new phone. Someone needs to switch providers? No problem switch the SIM. Bottom line they are good to go in minutes. No calls to the provider to get that employee working again. We can pop the SIMs into all kinds of devices like Mi-Fi's and mobile routers. If we need to engage the providers every time we make a change it's going to seriously slow us down and be a PITA.
Another issue on eSIM: most carriers only support it when you have a postpaid plan with them. Prepaid plans mostly only comes on SIM cards (eSIM for prepaid is very low, if not none). Also, Hong Kong/Mainland China/Macau still has 2 SIM cards (carriers there are stubborn on eSIM adoption) then the rest of the world still has one.
HK & China use physical sims because of the law in China. All other manufacturers selling handsets in China all follow the same regulations. Apple had no say in the decision…
Apple : no phone in next phone
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Apple has been stripping their users of choices for the longest time. They are just not smart enough to fight it
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I will need to purchased a international phone to get an esim? Looks like I will be rocking my 12 pro max for the foreseeable future. Apple screwing the US…wonderful.
It's like going backwards to the old sprint days. I have 3 phones I rotate out often and the new IPhones won't find their way into my rotation. I swap phones depending on my mood and what I'll use them for each day, not going through the hassle of dealing with eSims.
Will you be able to install the sim on multiple phones?
Perhaps you could have a family plan on the one sim, and share it with your family.
Wouldn't be amazed if carriers start charging to activate esims
I bet they'll do that and how would that be amazing 🤨
My wife and I travel a lot. If I had the money and interest to buy a new iPhone, I'd definitely opt for a SIM tray version for now. I hope by the time I am ready for an upgrade, physical SIM versions are still available.
You’ll just miss out on mmWave but it should work fine otherwise
How much is a iPhone 14 pro max in Canada 🇨🇦(looking to buy with sim slot) @Apple gave us no choice of physical or esim
Yeah, all of those cons you listed is all you need to know about how bad of a decision this was. This is almost as bad as them removing the aux port after the iPhone 6. But TRULY the worst decision they've made was the creepy FaceID unlock instead of the touch ID we used to have with iPhones up to the 8 to SE models.
I almost made the mistake in buying the new 14 pro after knowing all this I'm glad to just stay with Samsung i like switching from my flip 4 to my fold 4 with just taking out the sim card. I can see the annoying and fees to be flipping from my fold 4 to the iPhone 14 pro but wow thanks Apple for that genius idea 💡 👏 😑 😒
A good assessment of the issue. I travel a lot and so consider this a horrible idea. One considerable con is that many eSim providers (in many countries in Africa for example) only provide eSims for postpaid accounts.
This is flat out false.
Nah. if u travel a lot, i suggest u buy a cheap phone with physical sim (u can even buy sim in country) and a decent digital camera. doing so means u dont have to worry about phone loss/theft and increases storage capacity for your memories.
I hate the eSIM just for the simple fact that it took 3-4hrs combined of technical support to switch my number from my 12 max for myself and my husband. Transferring from the phone didnt want to work and neither did the QR code and a lot of agents still dont know how to fix these issues either.
This is gonna make buying used phones or swapping phones such a pain in the ass. With buying the 13 pro max just last week, me and the seller swapped sims back n forth bc they needed to finish backing up their phone and I needed to test on the spot that the phone was unlocked and that my carrier would work. Now I’ll have to go thru the whole esim activation process just to test if it works BEFORE I even buy it and the phone is actually mine. I also easily could swap sims between selling my prev phone and temporarily putting it in an old phone to use while I waited for the new phone to come out. Apple stop removing functionalities!!! esim should be an option, not required!
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I'm actually considering going to Samsung when it's time to upgrade from my Iphone 12 because of this since I do not want to carry 2 phones, the physical sim is essential to me because my work phone came with a physical sim and they will not provide an esim option. I just think this is a very bad move and not well thought from Apple.
I’ve been traveling around Europe this summer, and I’ve been using roaming with my local carrier which was an E-sim.
The experience was horrible, it will take more than a day to find service when I move to a new country. Sometimes it will take days.
I didn’t know what was the issue, until I noticed that my friend with “actual” SIM card, didn’t have this issue.
So I ended buying a normal sim from a country and using it all around Europe.
Hopefully this E-sim only stays in America.
At This Point, I Will Just Stick To My iPhone SE2, But If I Were Going To Upgrade My Phone, I Would Rather Go For iPhone 12 Mini Or 13 Mini.
"Who needs a burner phone, and what are they up to anyway?" That line gave me chills. I don't need to explain to anyone why I would like privacy.
Same with digital money.
Banks and governments can freeze access to your bank account at any time. If you don't have cash you will basically starve.
And you don't have to have done anything wrong, it could be due to human error, someone accidentally typing the wrong account number etc.
Totally felt the same. Had the chills, exactly. This dude needs to travel or read more.
I remember esim (they was analog phones ) in which the cellular companies controlled who had mobile phone only for exclusive customers until sims came out and made it widely available to general public. if you remember the first mobile sim phone here in the UK was by one 2 one the Motorola M300 where the credit card sim would slide in-between the front and battery.
I had to leave the external memory and the headphone jack in the past and I still prefer to return to them, but I will not leave the sim card, F*** Apple for the nonsense that it causes in the market
I live in the Dominican Republic, the latest iPhones always costs around 100 to 150% more here than in the US. It is cheaper for me to fly back and forth to the US, buy my iPhone and even have money to spare than buying one here. Also, the carriers here in the DR normally receive the latest iPhones around february or march and if you buy it with a plan, you end up paying around 200 to 300% the US price.
I hope carriers here adopt eSim asap, because if this isn't the case, then i'll have to skip iPhone 14.
When I travel, I constantly swap out sims....yikes. this is a problem for me.
Maybe you should write to apple, and see if they have a solution
To me, and I'm surprised you didn't mention this, but my biggest concern is what happens if someone is trying to switch from android to iPhone and yet there's no SIM tray, how do you even switch then. I even looked up on apple website and got no results at all
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You just order a sim card from your carrier?
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It's not an argument, you just want to keep your privacy. Not everyone wants the government or 3rd party companies to have a person every movement.
For traveling I use Airalo, their app works great never had an issue with esim using them.
Very cheap and convenient and I travel 4-6 months out of the year overseas.
3 countries I visited this year:
Jordan:
local SIM: 15GB data for 14USD
Airalo eSIM: 1GB for 6.50USD, 3GB for 18USD
Nepal:
local SIM: 29GB data for 15USD
Airalo eSIM: 1GB for 9,50USD
Maldives:
local SIM: 17GB for 35USD
Airalo eSIM: 17GB for 30USD
So without SIM card slot I would get screwed pretty badly in 2/3 cases.
With the headphone jack you could argue that it saved space. But the sim tray is only removed in the US models. So what does it gain over the other versions? Nothing. I doubt the EU will ever allow it, but Apple wants to create a phone with no ports/openings. Thats their dream.
Actually it’s not cheaper
Airalo is $100 a month- where local prepaid sim is May be 1/3 of that
The other issue is airalo doesn’t give you a local number. See how useful it is to get grab and Uber to work without local number
I love the SIM cards on my 11 & 13 Pro Max iPhones. One never knows when switching them out would be needed! I am happy I did not plan on upgrading to the 14 Pro Max.
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Sounds like you’re also going to need a wifi connection in order to set up the eSim. What a pain definitely a deal breaker.
Yes, a wifi connection was all the time needed in order to activate an e-sim..
wait really? Lmao tf.
Idk about all of you but my carrier is W. eSim and physical sims are the same here, from coverage (available in every country) to prices. Exactly the same