Hes not referring to actual enjoyment obviously.. Hes referring to the fact that loss revenue cripples the TTC's ability to continue to develop its infrastructure.
While the price of everything goes up in our day to day lives sadly ppls wages have mostly remained the same. Ppl can’t afford to live so they are taking shortcuts.
100k job to count sheep jumping.. but because the ttc has a diversity quota if 10% chineese apply for the job they throw away 90% of reaumes to choose the best of the 10% cause diversity is more of a strength then the right person for the job.
The drivers have an electronic pad at the front they use to give transfers and tap cards and when someone gets on without paying there is a button they can hit and they collect the data. Ive asked a few of the drivers about it.
That is about as fast as u need to go nowadays to fare evade with no ticket booth operator. Just walk behind someone who paid as the gate opens like they do in parking garages.
Honestly... if the makers of presto didnt see this coming, they must be from sweden. Wake up swedes, this is toronto half the population is 3rd world where people hustle to make ends meet. They are gonna save everyway they can.
*15% FARE EVASION ON STREET CARS? Are you sure?* I take the streetcar everyday, it feels more like only 15% pay! The rest 85% are blatantly evading with ZERO consequences! In the two years I have been riding the King St street car to and from work, *NEVER seen a SINGLE onboard ticket inspector!!*
They only go to stations where evadors can turn around and get back on the streetcar. Canadian laws are so weak i bet transit enforcement is more concerened about keeping their jobs then doing their jobs.
Amy Wheelwright some ppl who rides street cars have metro pass but we don’t bother pulling it out for no reasons as no body checks so pls get ur fact right my dude. We pull them when the transit officers asked, like why’d we pull the card to show it to others riders that we aren’t evading it?
I do agree with you. I feel like I’m the only one taping my card. I see people do pretend taps like they motion over the machine but the light doesn’t change. I’ve even seen people tap and it goes red and nothing happens. You see it so often you think why should I pay?
@@thesisko4031 Don't forget that when the Inspectors find someone that evaded fares, they pull them aside so both inspectors can give the a stern talking to while hundreds of others just walk by.
This is a joke. Then TTC wants more money - stop the bleeding on your system. You see the ppl on video - start identifying them and charge them. No consequences means ppl will do whatever they want. Its not fair to the honest riders.
@@MRRUSSIAN123 Yes, the paying riders subsidize everyone else. Either enforce the rules and fix the problems or make it free for everyone. Taxpayers already subsidize a large portion of this and any transit system in North America.
That takes people, time, equipment and oh yeah, money. It can cost up to $70k per staff annual check for fair evaders. To pay for that they raise the fairs and get more evaders. How about people teach their kids to quit stealing and be honest.
@@nancyaguirre2307 Your last sentence is the main issue. People don't teach their kids anything these days. I've seen kids in the classroom - no discipline, no respect, do what they want and then the parents blame the teachers. Society in general needs to re-learn how to be respectful and honest. Another issue with our current system is the courts - no real sentencing of offenders therefore there is no deterrent to stealing or vandalism or anything else. Look at Toronto - the guy killed a police officer and he's out on bail conditions - really?? No deterrent for anyone else to do the same.
In the UK I have a disabled railcard to get a discount on trains (there are also ones for age 17-25, seniors, veterans, families and couples) and mostly the gates open but sometimes they randomly lock so the staff can check that I am actually the holder of the card.. there is always a member of staff whenever the gates are closed. This also happens with child tickets to increase the risk of using a child ticket to get through gates.
Just update the equipment, change that automatic door. It is psychologically tempting to evade the fares. Learn from other countries like Japan. Also, ttc fares are already too high even wo the evasions.
If they actually observed other cities and how their transportation systems worked it would not be as much of a joke to all of us who have left the country before
Fares too high... York $4 per person, no exceptions Durham $3.75, no exceptions Mississauga $3.50 no exceptions TTC $3.25 for adults, $2.10 for seniors and students, free for children 12 and under. + as they just reported 1 out of 10 steals a free ride. Explain TTC is too expensive compared to what?
Fares don't relate to wages. Cleaners don't make $40 an hour. And people making excuses for criminals are the leading cause for fare evasion and the general downfall in the current moral fiber of our Toronto citizens.
You DO realize that equates to just under 85k per annum, right? The average median income nationally is about 33k. I think it does without saying your assumption is WAY off.
@@nutlover3609 that is so nonsensical, it is painful for me to even reply. Where are you getting this misinformation from? If this were true, thank God it's not, the city would be bankrupt over night. TTC operators start off around 22 an hour and those tenured earn around 30 an hour, equating to just over 60k annually. 125 thousand you say?! Many lawyers don't even make that and a lawyer has 8 years of education while an operator requires none.
Get that undercover TTC constable---the middle aged guy with the long straight hair who looks a metal fan from the 80s---to do some work instead of getting paid to travel aimlessly on the subway
Nothing is free. How do the workers get paid genius? How is the equipment purchased and maintained? And don’t you dare say the government because that means a tax hike.
should have left the turnstyles and just put the presto machines on them. you think ppl arent gonna take advantage of something if they can? they deserve to lose all that money.
And how exactly would technology make people pay when losers keep breaking everything? And you know it costs money to buy technology, install, maintain and repair technology, right? You know where that money comes from? FARES!!!! An increase!
I know for sure that fare evaders would be less inclined to do so if the fare itself wasnt a ridiculous price. But what they don't realize is that this will likely end up raising fares yet again lol.
Oh bologna, they do it because they can and they don’t want to pay anything. It could be a quarter and they’d break the gate to get through. You are delusional. I have returned to stores because they didn’t charge me for items. It don’t steal. Evaders are thieves. They think the world owes them, rules don’t apply to them.it’s a different mindset. You are either a thief or you aren’t. It doesn’t matter the amount.
I’ve never seen such a shitshow as Presto. You would think it’s like the first time anyone has ever used such a system except many cities all over the world with even more extensive systems have them working. I can’t even believe no one there saw the child card thing happening. Not one ttc employee making over 100k saw this?
Presto in Metrolinx, not ttc. Presto was forced on the TTC by the provincial government. All the ttc has to do with presto is to not interfere with their agenda, and if the ttc does interfere the government has said they will cut funding. This is what happens when the public choses to remain blind and the government decides to privitise and profiteer off what the public taxes have built. People hate the ttc because it is the most visual part of the system, even though the ttc primarily only does as its told and the politicians are the real bad guys.
The new revised amount of money the TTC has lost because of fare evasion now (2020) stands at over $73 million dollars. However, the TTC, under pressure from all kinds of self-serving, "concerned citizen's" groups, is more worried about racial profiling and making sure it's workforce is diverse" (rather than skilled and competent). But what happens if the shoe fits?! Is denying reality going to change what is happening and who is responsible for it?!
Tell the collectors to stop letting people ride for free. Collectors allow people to ride to avoid complaints put in against them. One collector allows 30 people a day to ride for free the other one doesn't and as a result has complaints put in against him. One complaint a day is unusual so if you want to keep your job let people ride for free.
Wrong, those evading are not paying taxes, think about it. They are no doubt cheating the system in other ways too. They have fraudulent SSI claims when they’ve never paid a dime into the system, milking food stamps, and every other assistance they can get too. It’s those of us that actually pay taxes, work and are honest that will pay the increases.
Oh well... Figure it out i have not taken the TTC in over 20 years and I have to pay in taxes. Its a business if you cannot sustain it then you go out of business
I'm glad this bus driver is retired if he thinks a person not paying should result in the bus being taken out of service, meaning everyone gets kicked off, and has to wait several minutes for another bus. Just have the cops waiting for the evader further down the line. We already have enough transit delays.
64 million $ / 3 $ per rider = 21 million rides 21 million rides / 365 days = 57,534 rides/day Are you telling me that more than 50k people use TTC without paying fare every day? According to TTC’s website, the daily ridership is 1.69 million. So 3.5% of the people don’t pay the fare? I don’t believe this. 1. Show their faces to stop the fare evasions 2. Terminate/dismiss the union, allow the competition - we don’t want to pay the people sleeping in the ticket booth 3. TTC employee’s salary links to riders’ satisfaction, especially the senior managers’ salary 4. If nothing works, privatize the service (or at least partially)
Monthly metropass for the year works out to $134 per month. Ok genius tell me how buying a car is cheaper? You’ll spend more on insurance before you even put a drop of gas in the thing.
@@sharinglungs3226 I bet you dont use all 30 (or so) days (obviously depending the days in the month ie: February, October, December, etc.) Of your monthly pass. How ever, you are paying $134/month. So you're saying February, December , and April are equal? I have a vehicle that I pay for and I can use it for 10+years, you're pay $134/month and let's face reality, TTC will eventually raise that soon to $150/month soon, in the long run buying a cheap, feul-efficient car (ie: Honda, smart car, fiat, etc) will be cheaper than your continuous, never-ending increase and payment.
@@UnknownNameUnknownNumber Same logic applies to your car. You don't drive it to use it every day but pay the insurance which sometimes could be well above 140 plus fuel charges, car maintenance etc.,. It's MUCH more expensive to own a car.
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you just convinced a few people who were honest and paid every time.. to not bother any more.
He said fare evasion takes away from people's enjoyment of the TTC... Nobody enjoys the TTC.
EXACTLY!!!
People sure enjoy being packed like sardines in a can on subways, buses, and streetcars during rush-hour
Fare evasion increases enjoyment cause they just got a free ride.
@Tommy Vee It's malice. White genocide and Agenda 21 have been planned for a long time.
Hes not referring to actual enjoyment obviously.. Hes referring to the fact that loss revenue cripples the TTC's ability to continue to develop its infrastructure.
While the price of everything goes up in our day to day lives sadly ppls wages have mostly remained the same. Ppl can’t afford to live so they are taking shortcuts.
Which causes the prices to increase even more. Could even cause loss of services and layoffs. It isn’t justification.
Are you saying that it's okay to steal or defraud if you cannot afford something?
One question... How do they count the number of fare invaders if they didn't even pay the fare?
The auditor general watched 200 hrs of video and visually counted the fare evaders
Watch the surveillance videos
100k job to count sheep jumping.. but because the ttc has a diversity quota if 10% chineese apply for the job they throw away 90% of reaumes to choose the best of the 10% cause diversity is more of a strength then the right person for the job.
I think it's some surveillance and a lot of mathematical hypothesizing.
The drivers have an electronic pad at the front they use to give transfers and tap cards and when someone gets on without paying there is a button they can hit and they collect the data. Ive asked a few of the drivers about it.
Presto processing payments is slower than a turtle traveling from Oshawa to Hamilton.
That is about as fast as u need to go nowadays to fare evade with no ticket booth operator. Just walk behind someone who paid as the gate opens like they do in parking garages.
Let me check what time i hopped on the bus. Oh wait i can't because it can take up to 24 hours to update!
Hilarious
You don't deserve to live in Canada.
ok @@Boomer-nb1wd
Honestly... if the makers of presto didnt see this coming, they must be from sweden. Wake up swedes, this is toronto half the population is 3rd world where people hustle to make ends meet. They are gonna save everyway they can.
*15% FARE EVASION ON STREET CARS? Are you sure?*
I take the streetcar everyday, it feels more like only 15% pay! The rest 85% are blatantly evading with ZERO consequences!
In the two years I have been riding the King St street car to and from work, *NEVER seen a SINGLE onboard ticket inspector!!*
They only go to stations where evadors can turn around and get back on the streetcar.
Canadian laws are so weak i bet transit enforcement is more concerened about keeping their jobs then doing their jobs.
Amy Wheelwright some ppl who rides street cars have metro pass but we don’t bother pulling it out for no reasons as no body checks so pls get ur fact right my dude. We pull them when the transit officers asked, like why’d we pull the card to show it to others riders that we aren’t evading it?
I do agree with you. I feel like I’m the only one taping my card. I see people do pretend taps like they motion over the machine but the light doesn’t change. I’ve even seen people tap and it goes red and nothing happens. You see it so often you think why should I pay?
@@thesisko4031 Don't forget that when the Inspectors find someone that evaded fares, they pull them aside so both inspectors can give the a stern talking to while hundreds of others just walk by.
Maybe they should make it easier to pay? I use a ticket and I am confused how do you even pay and get a transfer
This is a joke. Then TTC wants more money - stop the bleeding on your system. You see the ppl on video - start identifying them and charge them. No consequences means ppl will do whatever they want. Its not fair to the honest riders.
Lets remeber all those kids who dont pay under age 12 the money has to come from somewhere !
@@MRRUSSIAN123 Yes, the paying riders subsidize everyone else. Either enforce the rules and fix the problems or make it free for everyone. Taxpayers already subsidize a large portion of this and any transit system in North America.
honest riders are retards
That takes people, time, equipment and oh yeah, money. It can cost up to $70k per staff annual check for fair evaders. To pay for that they raise the fairs and get more evaders. How about people teach their kids to quit stealing and be honest.
@@nancyaguirre2307 Your last sentence is the main issue. People don't teach their kids anything these days. I've seen kids in the classroom - no discipline, no respect, do what they want and then the parents blame the teachers. Society in general needs to re-learn how to be respectful and honest. Another issue with our current system is the courts - no real sentencing of offenders therefore there is no deterrent to stealing or vandalism or anything else. Look at Toronto - the guy killed a police officer and he's out on bail conditions - really?? No deterrent for anyone else to do the same.
Did not have any problems with. Tokens and tickets years ago
use google to search "collector token fraud ttc"
In the UK I have a disabled railcard to get a discount on trains (there are also ones for age 17-25, seniors, veterans, families and couples) and mostly the gates open but sometimes they randomly lock so the staff can check that I am actually the holder of the card.. there is always a member of staff whenever the gates are closed. This also happens with child tickets to increase the risk of using a child ticket to get through gates.
Just update the equipment, change that automatic door. It is psychologically tempting to evade the fares. Learn from other countries like Japan. Also, ttc fares are already too high even wo the evasions.
If they actually observed other cities and how their transportation systems worked it would not be as much of a joke to all of us who have left the country before
Fares too high...
York $4 per person, no exceptions
Durham $3.75, no exceptions
Mississauga $3.50 no exceptions
TTC $3.25 for adults, $2.10 for seniors and students, free for children 12 and under. + as they just reported 1 out of 10 steals a free ride.
Explain TTC is too expensive compared to what?
@@Nathan-ho7vr honestly.. I think people just like complaining even when their claims have NO BASIS in reality.
Perfect reason/excuse for another fare hike.
You think it's not true?
more like another reason to include guards
Just copy the Hong Kong Octopus card system launched from 22 years ago. It will still be innovative to you (TTC) today.
diversity + indifference + presto = ttc
Presto is only a problem in toronton I've used it for years in Durham region and early any issues...
The TTC cleaners make $40 an hour with full pension. This is what they are more worried about. It's there wages being effected.
Fares don't relate to wages. Cleaners don't make $40 an hour.
And people making excuses for criminals are the leading cause for fare evasion and the general downfall in the current moral fiber of our Toronto citizens.
Nathanial Canning Thank You!
You DO realize that equates to just under 85k per annum, right? The average median income nationally is about 33k. I think it does without saying your assumption is WAY off.
Jason Gafar
TTC drivers make 65-120k a year the cleaners make 50k
@@nutlover3609 that is so nonsensical, it is painful for me to even reply. Where are you getting this misinformation from? If this were true, thank God it's not, the city would be bankrupt over night. TTC operators start off around 22 an hour and those tenured earn around 30 an hour, equating to just over 60k annually. 125 thousand you say?! Many lawyers don't even make that and a lawyer has 8 years of education while an operator requires none.
Well gee......how about you put a human at every entrance. Hhmmmm......cut employees to save money......ended up costing you millions of $$$$$$$
Yep.
Cut off the TTC high paid managers!
You think you can do better? Go apply
Get that undercover TTC constable---the middle aged guy with the long straight hair who looks a metal fan from the 80s---to do some work instead of getting paid to travel aimlessly on the subway
Edward Bliss how is it that everybody knows he secretly works for the TTC?!
@@TunnelJumper hahahahaha hahahahahaha true AF
@@TunnelJumper One time I caught him pressing that secret button on the turnstiles instead of paying fare
Maybe if Everything wasn't so godamm expensive in this city!
Then everybody needs to move to a city that is less expensive.
I love these people. They are beating a scummy system that should be free in the first place.
Nothing is free. How do the workers get paid genius? How is the equipment purchased and maintained? And don’t you dare say the government because that means a tax hike.
Enhanced services. What a joke
should have left the turnstyles and just put the presto machines on them. you think ppl arent gonna take advantage of something if they can? they deserve to lose all that money.
Fare evasion is nothing more than stealing a ride. People are just "ripping off" TTC.
Here's your excuse to hike our fares those of you with frontal lobe issue and your technological advancement problem solving.
And how exactly would technology make people pay when losers keep breaking everything? And you know it costs money to buy technology, install, maintain and repair technology, right? You know where that money comes from? FARES!!!! An increase!
How about other countries that have the Presto Ticket system in service have they lost money and have problems with the program
Maybe those presto displays will show more than a ok now, like every other city
Tax evasion which burdens the taxpayers.
60 mil is a gross understatement
It goes deeper than just fare evasion. Where are they really bleeding money from?
I know for sure that fare evaders would be less inclined to do so if the fare itself wasnt a ridiculous price. But what they don't realize is that this will likely end up raising fares yet again lol.
Oh bologna, they do it because they can and they don’t want to pay anything. It could be a quarter and they’d break the gate to get through. You are delusional. I have returned to stores because they didn’t charge me for items. It don’t steal. Evaders are thieves. They think the world owes them, rules don’t apply to them.it’s a different mindset. You are either a thief or you aren’t. It doesn’t matter the amount.
Ive never seen anyone pay for a streetcar ride.. those things are free
I’ve never seen such a shitshow as Presto. You would think it’s like the first time anyone has ever used such a system except many cities all over the world with even more extensive systems have them working. I can’t even believe no one there saw the child card thing happening. Not one ttc employee making over 100k saw this?
Presto in Metrolinx, not ttc. Presto was forced on the TTC by the provincial government. All the ttc has to do with presto is to not interfere with their agenda, and if the ttc does interfere the government has said they will cut funding. This is what happens when the public choses to remain blind and the government decides to privitise and profiteer off what the public taxes have built. People hate the ttc because it is the most visual part of the system, even though the ttc primarily only does as its told and the politicians are the real bad guys.
$61 million dollars in evaded fares?
The new revised amount of money the TTC has lost because of fare evasion now (2020) stands at over $73 million dollars. However, the TTC, under pressure from all kinds of self-serving, "concerned citizen's" groups, is more worried about racial profiling and making sure it's workforce is diverse" (rather than skilled and competent). But what happens if the shoe fits?! Is denying reality going to change what is happening and who is responsible for it?!
If you lower the fares more people wouldn't engage in fare evasion. It's simply too expensive for many Torontonians to ride transit...
Tell the collectors to stop letting people ride for free. Collectors allow people to ride to avoid complaints put in against them. One collector allows 30 people a day to ride for free the other one doesn't and as a result has complaints put in against him. One complaint a day is unusual so if you want to keep your job let people ride for free.
The TTC is a mess. It’s not rider friendly. If the TTC improved it’s services to the public maybe they would respect the TTC more enough to pay.
1:12 I was there last week.
The ultimate solution is to make the TTC free and just jack personal income taxes to make up for the free transportation.
crying about malfunctioning equipment how sad
Clean your filthy busses!
Keep evading it's your taxes paying and that covers it
Wrong, those evading are not paying taxes, think about it. They are no doubt cheating the system in other ways too. They have fraudulent SSI claims when they’ve never paid a dime into the system, milking food stamps, and every other assistance they can get too. It’s those of us that actually pay taxes, work and are honest that will pay the increases.
Oh well... Figure it out i have not taken the TTC in over 20 years and I have to pay in taxes. Its a business if you cannot sustain it then you go out of business
TTC is a joke....
I'm glad this bus driver is retired if he thinks a person not paying should result in the bus being taken out of service, meaning everyone gets kicked off, and has to wait several minutes for another bus. Just have the cops waiting for the evader further down the line. We already have enough transit delays.
Pretext for price gouge
you snooze you lose
undercover police will catch them go to jail time
LOL PRESTO ARE LOSING CREDIBILITY. GOOD.
This litterally doesn't make me want to pay, if it doesn't make the security better then we get to pay less so it's a win for us
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Andrew Anane 😂
Lol
64 million $ / 3 $ per rider = 21 million rides
21 million rides / 365 days = 57,534 rides/day
Are you telling me that more than 50k people use TTC without paying fare every day?
According to TTC’s website, the daily ridership is 1.69 million. So 3.5% of the people don’t pay the fare?
I don’t believe this.
1. Show their faces to stop the fare evasions
2. Terminate/dismiss the union, allow the competition - we don’t want to pay the people sleeping in the ticket booth
3. TTC employee’s salary links to riders’ satisfaction, especially the senior managers’ salary
4. If nothing works, privatize the service (or at least partially)
No one cares about TTC "LOSS" revenue. ttc are still going to raise the fare price every year. It's actually cheaper to buy a car than riding TTC.
Monthly metropass for the year works out to $134 per month. Ok genius tell me how buying a car is cheaper? You’ll spend more on insurance before you even put a drop of gas in the thing.
@@sharinglungs3226 I bet you dont use all 30 (or so) days (obviously depending the days in the month ie: February, October, December, etc.) Of your monthly pass. How ever, you are paying $134/month. So you're saying February, December , and April are equal? I have a vehicle that I pay for and I can use it for 10+years, you're pay $134/month and let's face reality, TTC will eventually raise that soon to $150/month soon, in the long run buying a cheap, feul-efficient car (ie: Honda, smart car, fiat, etc) will be cheaper than your continuous, never-ending increase and payment.
@@UnknownNameUnknownNumber Same logic applies to your car. You don't drive it to use it every day but pay the insurance which sometimes could be well above 140 plus fuel charges, car maintenance etc.,. It's MUCH more expensive to own a car.
A car is not cheaper than the TTC. But a car is more convenient, more comfortable, faster, and has many more benefits than the TTC.