Send pharah to the farm. She has never been enjoyable to play against, gate keeps every non meta dps, and is basically only played as a crutch to roll a game you were on track to lose, or to boost your girlfriend who can’t play anything but mercy.
@@proepicdancer5029 i play tank and support. My bro can just go ashe and farm every pharah in existence but the fact there is a dps that checks two thirds of the cast and makes u go hitscan is absurd. Not to mention they get mercy pocket constantly and rez’s. I’m m3 support btw idiot. If people thought symm and sombra were bad designs, pharmacy is right there with them. For the vast majority of the player base, metal ranks and below, it requires the team to switch half their comp to neutralize her. Bad design and overturned for the skill investment
I would have liked to reduce the amount of tanks in S tier, sadly they are all super strong and we are playing a counterpick meta rn. Notice how there are only 3 dps and 2 supports in there.
Crazy its almost like the tanks are supposed to be stronger than dps and supports, its almost as if they are so strong its to make up for the lack of a 2nd tank, its almost as if the tank role is the least picked role in the game so they had to make it bearable to play....hmm i wonder why they would do that....@MetroOW Bro you've actually got the worst takes on legit everything about the game, but you a soldier main so I'm not surprised use-brain-make-brain hurty type of gameplay translates to irl too ig
Is it just me or did they increase Junker Queen's knife pull on tanks by just giga buffing its strength? As a squishy it feels impossible to not get pulled because of how strong it is right now. I feel like if I have Illari boop or shield bash up I should be able to trade it for not flying into the enemy team, but I can't anymore.
Its only for tanks trust me. I had an encounter with a Hanzo up on high ground and I kept pulling him down but his dash completely negated that and kept him on height like it always does.
@@ZzsiegzZamen brother. I play tank and I’m not gonna play dva every game. A character who makes 2/3 thirds of the entire cast useless isn’t healthy for the game
Dont know about high ranks but in middle ranks Junker Queen is like *the* pick right now, almost every match, its always JQ vs JQ. Sometimes Ram vs Rein.
To play hanzo you have to rely on your storm arrows to create pressure, im diamond 5 and i have no problems with hanzo,, if players play hanzo the old way then you going to struggle more,, remember you dont have 1 shot anymore so you cant rely an one arrow all the time, atm Hanzo has to be played a little differently then before
You're smoking something heavy if you think sym is op. Sym gets smacked by any half decent tank. Dva will run you over and sig rocks you. Sym only bullies rein.
@steenmin 9/10 the supports are either too busy dpsing, pocketing a hitscan, or healing the tank. Syms NEVER get support in this meta. Supports like bap or Moira prefer to do things themselves. Sym is not good in this meta. Hitscans shoot at a faster rate from a distance with bullets faster than her slow orbs that are not threatening at all and the beam isn't good enough when she just gets ran over or ccd.
@belialren That's hilarious. Sym has no cc protection and will get ran over at the first target in a team fight. Only if your team prioritizes protecting you will that work. 9/10 it will not
Sym is a top3 dps in pro play and high ladder play, she will only suffer if the team does not support her. She is crazy good and will get nerfed again soon, u can revist this comment in a few weeks and confirm.
I would put dva s, mauga and rein A . Dva u could carry so much easier then most tanks, but in pro play , I think Mauga is still played but I could be wrong .
i respect this tier list because it's always subjective everyone's view on the rankings. However Sojourn being 'B' is laughable bad, she'll always be bare minimum 'A' tier in most cases because she has the best overall DPS kit in the game, with absurd burst potential...i can't see presently right now Rein or even Sym being better than her at all
you cant say that the tierlist is an average of all ranks and then put rein in S tier cause in pro play he'll be super strong cause sym is SUPER broken rn before the inevitable nerf lmao. as soon as you dont get a sym he'll be back to ass tier lmao so uno 95% of games, still bad on average
since when mcree doesnt need t position and play well to get value and doesnt have the hitbox of a TRUCK nah bro i agree the ult change are maybe ok but it doesnt make the ultimate insane or even good its just playable wich is clearly a bare minimum
Same thing that happened to soldier post season 9, also happened to Reaper (and anyone who had self-sustain basically). All that patch did was make heroes on the high and low ends of the health pool spectrum weaker, while giga-buffing everyone in between (Cassidy being the biggest winner of that). It also gutted the value of things like lifesteal and healing station with no compensation, so that Genji and tracer could be even more oppressive flankers.
Was a good change. Made higher skill based heroes (maybe exclude Cass here, he used to be kinda in the middle, but he is crazy easy now) more reliable and took away some of the consistency of braindead heroes like Soldier and Reaper. (I.e. less hold left click all game and more think)
@@bryanryan5875 "Higher skill based" aka anyone with a bloated kit. All it did was make bad players get rewarded more frequently by lowering the chances of missing. The reason these heroes you call braindead are labeled "Low skill" is because of how limited their kits are. Ironically it takes more skill to use these characters in higher ranks because of how limited you are.
Symmetra is not as good as you claim ngl, as a sym main I can say the poke in this season makes her suffer big time. She gets absolutely hard countered by pharah if the pharah player has enough brain cells to dodge her shots, she's definitely better than last season but she isn't by any means S
Just give Hanzo his one-shot back already. People always complain about things that they don't find enjoyable to play against, but guess what? There are TONS of unfun things in this game. Should those all be removed too?
Your hate for Junkrat is delusional at this point, putting him at F tier at every single tier list you make. Acknowledge the fact that he is not that bad. It will help you on the long run, every single Junk OTP in youtube has a clip bullying you...
not suddenly bro got 2 direct buffs and a suzu nerf which is also a buff to him. it's like yall either dont look at any patch notes, or u do look at patch notes and think nothing will change
@@MetroOW Tank is THE weakest role in the game because of the CC the fact you don’t know that is baffling almost every dps outclasses tanks the only tank that can keep up with most dps is mauga and sigma every other tank blows up in a couple seconds
I think soldier is still B or A tier. C is criminally low. He still has great utility and sustained dps. He isn't as bursty as some others, but is still good. He's still self-sufficient as well with great mobility.
Send pharah to the farm. She has never been enjoyable to play against, gate keeps every non meta dps, and is basically only played as a crutch to roll a game you were on track to lose, or to boost your girlfriend who can’t play anything but mercy.
just shoot the pharah
Just aim better noob
@@proepicdancer5029if u think it’s just aim ur plat
@@proepicdancer5029 i play tank and support. My bro can just go ashe and farm every pharah in existence but the fact there is a dps that checks two thirds of the cast and makes u go hitscan is absurd. Not to mention they get mercy pocket constantly and rez’s. I’m m3 support btw idiot. If people thought symm and sombra were bad designs, pharmacy is right there with them. For the vast majority of the player base, metal ranks and below, it requires the team to switch half their comp to neutralize her. Bad design and overturned for the skill investment
Hitscan players finally feeling what us flex dps have been feeling for the last 8 years
the population in the S tier makes it not S tier.
I would have liked to reduce the amount of tanks in S tier, sadly they are all super strong and we are playing a counterpick meta rn.
Notice how there are only 3 dps and 2 supports in there.
Crazy its almost like the tanks are supposed to be stronger than dps and supports, its almost as if they are so strong its to make up for the lack of a 2nd tank, its almost as if the tank role is the least picked role in the game so they had to make it bearable to play....hmm i wonder why they would do that....@MetroOW Bro you've actually got the worst takes on legit everything about the game, but you a soldier main so I'm not surprised use-brain-make-brain hurty type of gameplay translates to irl too ig
@@MetroOWmangolian face 🤢🤮
@@bryanryan5875 healer/tank have to do dips in order to win. Same situation with the current wow game. Blizzard sondimb
Joe Goldberg plays Overwatch
Is it just me or did they increase Junker Queen's knife pull on tanks by just giga buffing its strength? As a squishy it feels impossible to not get pulled because of how strong it is right now. I feel like if I have Illari boop or shield bash up I should be able to trade it for not flying into the enemy team, but I can't anymore.
Its only for tanks trust me. I had an encounter with a Hanzo up on high ground and I kept pulling him down but his dash completely negated that and kept him on height like it always does.
OW Balance team is not cooking
I think they did a pretty good job this patch, not incredible but a step in the right direction when it comes to making balancing the game
Send pharah to the farm. She has never been enjoyable to play against and gate keeps all the non meta dps.
@@ZzsiegzZamen brother. I play tank and I’m not gonna play dva every game. A character who makes 2/3 thirds of the entire cast useless isn’t healthy for the game
@@YeeYee-ii6xw They buffed pylon ⚠
@@ZzsiegzZ Pharah rework made her too strong imo.
Dont know about high ranks but in middle ranks Junker Queen is like *the* pick right now, almost every match, its always JQ vs JQ. Sometimes Ram vs Rein.
Shame OW2 is C tier...I miss the glory days of OW1. You don't know what you had till it's gone.
To play hanzo you have to rely on your storm arrows to create pressure, im diamond 5 and i have no problems with hanzo,, if players play hanzo the old way then you going to struggle more,, remember you dont have 1 shot anymore so you cant rely an one arrow all the time, atm Hanzo has to be played a little differently then before
keep up the consistency metro
You're smoking something heavy if you think sym is op. Sym gets smacked by any half decent tank. Dva will run you over and sig rocks you. Sym only bullies rein.
Sym only gets bullied if she doesn’t have a team
Engage with your team and use TP, you melt dva with beam
@steenmin 9/10 the supports are either too busy dpsing, pocketing a hitscan, or healing the tank. Syms NEVER get support in this meta. Supports like bap or Moira prefer to do things themselves. Sym is not good in this meta. Hitscans shoot at a faster rate from a distance with bullets faster than her slow orbs that are not threatening at all and the beam isn't good enough when she just gets ran over or ccd.
@belialren That's hilarious. Sym has no cc protection and will get ran over at the first target in a team fight. Only if your team prioritizes protecting you will that work. 9/10 it will not
Sym is a top3 dps in pro play and high ladder play, she will only suffer if the team does not support her. She is crazy good and will get nerfed again soon, u can revist this comment in a few weeks and confirm.
I just play Echo and dupe Ram/Genji/Kiri every game :P
i live for when echo says "suffer as i have"
the sym bit didnt age well at all it seems considering how dominant cass, pharah, echo and mauga are
i think sojourn is A tier now, keep in mind they didnt change her slide and her E, which are 2 really good abilities to control space
I feel like Soj will always be good unless they touch her slide. No other hitscan can compare to her mobility
She really isn't, you lost basically all of your carry potential and you're better off playing Cas or Ashe...
I started as a Zen main but I think this season I will grind Lucio more (boomer pun intended).
The Soldier main thinks Genji is strong because he can’t outrun nanoblade 😂
Genji pfp lmao touch grass
Genji in a ?
I would put dva s, mauga and rein A . Dva u could carry so much easier then most tanks, but in pro play , I think Mauga is still played but I could be wrong .
i respect this tier list because it's always subjective everyone's view on the rankings. However Sojourn being 'B' is laughable bad, she'll always be bare minimum 'A' tier in most cases because she has the best overall DPS kit in the game, with absurd burst potential...i can't see presently right now Rein or even Sym being better than her at all
Her headshots just don't kill now you're essentially getting a barely better mcree shot.
Sojourn is definitely low B this season lol. Cass has nearly 6 fully-charged rail shots each mag
You do realize that the "absurd burst potential" got nerfed to the ground this season, right?
The console meta is always gonna be dive since people live hitscan and widow
nice tier-list. I saw some good takes.
you cant say that the tierlist is an average of all ranks and then put rein in S tier cause in pro play he'll be super strong cause sym is SUPER broken rn before the inevitable nerf lmao. as soon as you dont get a sym he'll be back to ass tier lmao so uno 95% of games, still bad on average
Rein works insanely well with Sym and can also be played against her. Even better pick in low ranks imo, good value for pretty low effort.
since when mcree doesnt need t position and play well to get value and doesnt have the hitbox of a TRUCK nah bro
i agree the ult change are maybe ok but it doesnt make the ultimate insane or even good its just playable wich is clearly a bare minimum
Me: who’s holding out in season 11 just so I can get my hands on Space Ranger next season
And round and round we go... just bring 6v6 and end the madness already..
What if they balanced one shots by negating or heavily reducing respawn times 🤔
the impact of reduced spawn times would be absolutely insane lol
Same thing that happened to soldier post season 9, also happened to Reaper (and anyone who had self-sustain basically). All that patch did was make heroes on the high and low ends of the health pool spectrum weaker, while giga-buffing everyone in between (Cassidy being the biggest winner of that).
It also gutted the value of things like lifesteal and healing station with no compensation, so that Genji and tracer could be even more oppressive flankers.
Was a good change. Made higher skill based heroes (maybe exclude Cass here, he used to be kinda in the middle, but he is crazy easy now) more reliable and took away some of the consistency of braindead heroes like Soldier and Reaper. (I.e. less hold left click all game and more think)
@@bryanryan5875 "Higher skill based" aka anyone with a bloated kit. All it did was make bad players get rewarded more frequently by lowering the chances of missing.
The reason these heroes you call braindead are labeled "Low skill" is because of how limited their kits are. Ironically it takes more skill to use these characters in higher ranks because of how limited you are.
So true metro!
Idk why tf theyade sim that hard
if season 12 doesn't have mauga in j tier then the game is ass
Now if we can just nerf mauga into the ground we can have a good tank meta
mauga and rein are so unfun
Masters Rein one trick here. Legit quit ow2 like 2 weeks ago. Absolutely no way rein is S tier. Legit worst tank in the game when i quit.
well yeah bc that was 2 weeks ago
hell yeah, i love you metro
I think Zarya is OP tbf
6v6 would fix this
6v6 sucks and I will die on this hill. It's just shield shooting simulator broken up every 3 minutes by ult trading. Boring af.
genji A tier? LOOOOOOL
Symmetra is not as good as you claim ngl, as a sym main I can say the poke in this season makes her suffer big time. She gets absolutely hard countered by pharah if the pharah player has enough brain cells to dodge her shots, she's definitely better than last season but she isn't by any means S
Just give Hanzo his one-shot back already. People always complain about things that they don't find enjoyable to play against, but guess what? There are TONS of unfun things in this game. Should those all be removed too?
Both Ana and Ashe are A, Ashe might slip into S if cas gets any nerfs
horrible genji take.
genji is fine lmao
@@mixmuffinblast5247 No, Genji is anything but fine. LOL.
@@Redheadedsteppeson only ppl who think he’s bad are diamond genji one tricks who think he’s bad when it’s really just them sucking
@@mixmuffinblast5247 What is this ragebait? He is an objectively horrible character regardless of my or anyones rank.
@@mixmuffinblast5247Genji isn’t bad right now just very very underwhelming compared to pre season 9
I’ve never liked Cassidy. From day 1 of Overwatch 1.
ok i love ball and all but he is not s tier he is countered by to many things
Sym op?!
yes
Hog F?
high ranks he is easy as hell to counter plus he cant really tale space before he either gets naded or takes too much damage
skill issue
solid tier list, but i disagree 👍
I was a cass main I’m back
Your hate for Junkrat is delusional at this point, putting him at F tier at every single tier list you make. Acknowledge the fact that he is not that bad. It will help you on the long run, every single Junk OTP in youtube has a clip bullying you...
I love ur online personality bro but u are going to get so much hate from internet warriors for this 😂❤
we all know why he put rein in S tier
cuz hesrlly good
Suddenly everyone thinks Rein is A or S tier lol
he is crazy atm
not suddenly bro got 2 direct buffs and a suzu nerf which is also a buff to him. it's like yall either dont look at any patch notes, or u do look at patch notes and think nothing will change
Is he german?
My only complaints is that your face blocks the tier list
This has got to be the single most idiotic tier list I have EVER seen even putting ONE tank is S tier is stupid but 4?!
Imagine thinking tank is weak LOOOOL
@@MetroOW Tank is THE weakest role in the game because of the CC the fact you don’t know that is baffling almost every dps outclasses tanks the only tank that can keep up with most dps is mauga and sigma every other tank blows up in a couple seconds
I think soldier is still B or A tier. C is criminally low. He still has great utility and sustained dps. He isn't as bursty as some others, but is still good. He's still self-sufficient as well with great mobility.
5v5 sucks
Are you the guy that got destroyed by a junkrat
he is and an echo
You really need to look at the camera when you speak
I'm looking at my chat so no :)
@@MetroOW put the chat monitor closer then, its almost as if you are talking to your imaginary friend in these videos
Soldier needs buffs bad
Lmao here in Asian server ram's meta sucks.
Ram as an S tier tank? Lmao he gets cooked bro. Hog, Mauga, Orisa, Zarya, Doom, Ball…come on dude. He has so many counters.
Good list, you are on crack if you think rein is S
I am so fucking done with hanzo being not respected HE IS the most skillfull hero. The hardest and he had a 1 shot to compensate like comon !!!!
Tracer is the most skillfull hero in the game.