Amen!! After 36 years of awesome marraige i am thankful for this gift from God and the wife He gave me.....thank you so much for another amazing lesson. Bless you and your loved ones!
i have been looking for your teaching on marriage, and I am glad I found this. Let me listen. Please teach something on king David's and Solomon's life. Thank you sir.
I'm am more confused than ever about divorce. I enjoy Bruce's lectures, but this one gave me no insight about the subject. What am I missing? Just what _is_ the rule concerning divorce?
Thanks for a very thoughtful response. May I suggest, the Pharisees were asking Jesus the same question you have raised here, i.e., "What is the rule concerning divorce." Jesus basically answered, "That's the wrong question." Every attempt to get at Jesus ethical instruction based on some version of, "Where do I draw the line," misses the genius of his teaching. Virtually every time Jesus was asked a question predicated on the rules of law, Jesus appealed to the vastly higher principle of Spirit and grace. This is what makes Jesus unique in the history of ethical principle.
Thank you for your reply. I _think_ I'm beginning to get a fix on the message, though I am still a bit slow on the uptake. If I'm reading this right, the lecture isn't about divorce at all, but rather using a question about divorce to make a point about something else entirely? Namely, Spirit and Grace? I look forward to your upcoming teachings.
sound bit 10:24 bruce states the early church elders (call no one father) tend to demonize marriage and compare this to 1 Timothy 4 verses 1- 4 (... forbidding to marry...) see dr. sungenis a catholic apologetics on catholic marriage: makes some excellent points but i believe bruce to be correct the early church elders (call no on father...) and catholic church tend to demonize marriage and divorce. also see dr. r.c. sproul and marriage and divorce and it goes without saying that dr. sproul makes an excellent exegetics.
Bruce... Question.... Jude tells us that wicked men have crept in and changed the grace of our God to lewdness or lasciviousness... he tells us that we must earnestly contend for what was first taught us. Was there a historic change of the very definition of grace?
So if a person is divorced am I to understand that they are to remain single or be reconciled to there spouse??? What if the spouse has remarried??? Are they then permitted to remarry to someone else??? I appreciate your teaching, but, this one really does leave me more confused??? I appreciated this lecture, but, I thought it would be something other than it is, considering the title...
Thanks for your thoughtful words. My purpose in this presentation was to attempt a discussion of Mark's distinctive approach to Jesus' teaching on the topic at hand. Needless to say, this text places the bar quite high. A responsible biblical discussion of the topic would, however, include not only Mark's contribution, but also the other gospel writers, and Paul's additional teaching in 1 Corinthians 7. On the whole, it appears that divorce is strongly discouraged, but that remarriage is permitted in some situations (cf., 1 Cor. 7:15). Thanks again for your interest.
Orthodox marriage is based on mutual consent and desire for a helpmate - the exchange of rings at the betrothal - three times for equality and sharing. His ring first given the her and her ring given to him. Then the holy spirit is invoked upon them to make the union in Christ - the crowning. There is not the contractual idea or of property. It supposes that there can be a spiritual death as well as a physical death in the marriage - consent disappears as well as the cooperation with the Holy Spirit. Second marriages are repentant services. There is no divorce but the consent for the second marriage given by the bishop - forgiveness and grace. There is no idea of annulling a contract in the east.
Amen!! After 36 years of awesome marraige i am thankful for this gift from God and the wife He gave me.....thank you so much for another amazing lesson. Bless you and your loved ones!
As always, your feedback is a real encouragement and blessing. Thank you!
i have been looking for your teaching on marriage, and I am glad I found this. Let me listen. Please teach something on king David's and Solomon's life. Thank you sir.
Thanks for the feedback. My plan is to do a series on the life of David after we have finished Mark. It is still about a year out, so be patient!
I'm am more confused than ever about divorce. I enjoy Bruce's lectures, but this one gave me no insight about the subject. What am I missing? Just what _is_ the rule concerning divorce?
Thanks for a very thoughtful response. May I suggest, the Pharisees were asking Jesus the same question you have raised here, i.e., "What is the rule concerning divorce." Jesus basically answered, "That's the wrong question." Every attempt to get at Jesus ethical instruction based on some version of, "Where do I draw the line," misses the genius of his teaching. Virtually every time Jesus was asked a question predicated on the rules of law, Jesus appealed to the vastly higher principle of Spirit and grace. This is what makes Jesus unique in the history of ethical principle.
Thank you for your reply. I _think_ I'm beginning to get a fix on the message, though I am still a bit slow on the uptake. If I'm reading this right, the lecture isn't about divorce at all, but rather using a question about divorce to make a point about something else entirely? Namely, Spirit and Grace?
I look forward to your upcoming teachings.
Yes indeed...that's the idea. Thanks very much for your interest!
sound bit 10:24 bruce states the early church elders (call no one father) tend to demonize marriage and compare this to 1 Timothy 4 verses 1- 4 (... forbidding to marry...) see dr. sungenis a catholic apologetics on catholic marriage: makes some excellent points but i believe bruce to be correct the early church elders (call no on father...) and catholic church tend to demonize marriage and divorce. also see dr. r.c. sproul and marriage and divorce and it goes without saying that dr. sproul makes an excellent exegetics.
Bruce... Question.... Jude tells us that wicked men have crept in and changed the grace of our God to lewdness or lasciviousness... he tells us that we must earnestly contend for what was first taught us. Was there a historic change of the very definition of grace?
Not that I know of. Grace is grace! (Rom. 11). Attacks on the biblical idea of grace have been perennial.
So if a person is divorced am I to understand that they are to remain single or be reconciled to there spouse??? What if the spouse has remarried??? Are they then permitted to remarry to someone else??? I appreciate your teaching, but, this one really does leave me more confused??? I appreciated this lecture, but, I thought it would be something other than it is, considering the title...
Thanks for your thoughtful words. My purpose in this presentation was to attempt a discussion of Mark's distinctive approach to Jesus' teaching on the topic at hand. Needless to say, this text places the bar quite high. A responsible biblical discussion of the topic would, however, include not only Mark's contribution, but also the other gospel writers, and Paul's additional teaching in 1 Corinthians 7. On the whole, it appears that divorce is strongly discouraged, but that remarriage is permitted in some situations (cf., 1 Cor. 7:15). Thanks again for your interest.
Orthodox marriage is based on mutual consent and desire for a helpmate - the exchange of rings at the betrothal - three times for equality and sharing. His ring first given the her and her ring given to him. Then the holy spirit is invoked upon them to make the union in Christ - the crowning. There is not the contractual idea or of property. It supposes that there can be a spiritual death as well as a physical death in the marriage - consent disappears as well as the cooperation with the Holy Spirit. Second marriages are repentant services. There is no divorce but the consent for the second marriage given by the bishop - forgiveness and grace. There is no idea of annulling a contract in the east.
Thank you! ...helpful!