Very frustrating to watch. I retired after 47 years of professional flying and I remember this accident. Whenever we took the runway, I always considered it my last opportunity to make sure that I had done everything possible to ensure that the airplane was ready to fly. Both of these pilots were very experienced and I can only blame complacency for this terrible accident.
I remember this one quite clearly. My sister was to fly out of metro that night. She went back to my parents house and re-booked her flight as the airport shut down that night.
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I wasn't closed for long, but there were major delays as a result. (I believe the center runway remained closed through the night, so that wouldn't have helped with the delays).
I love how the situation becomes so personal and immediate in the way this vid is crafted. A truly intense experience. I missed how many were on board, but this was a horrific loss.
That was excruciating to listen to. The confusion between the pilots and their seeming inability to concentrate was palpable. The FO didn’t seem to be of much help and didn’t keep the captain on task when he clearly got distracted. And you’d have to think it was the pilots who disabled the takeoff configuration alarm because they were sick of the horn blaring even when the aircraft was configured correctly. Then when it could have actually saved their lives it wasn’t available. Quite ironic in a tragic way.
I lost a classmate of 12 yrs on that flight: Kurt Dobron. I can only imagine the horrors he went through. The majority of bodies recovered were not whole. Everyone on that flight, and *several* on the ground were killed. Only Cecilia Chichan, at the time a little girl under age 5, was the sole survivor. She appeared in a movie called Sole Survivor, where those who were the only ones in a tragedy to make it out alive, talk about their experiences. Interestingly, famous sports writer and cinematic creator Mitch Albom (Tuesdays with Morrie) wrote about Kurt Dobron's life well-lived, in a Detroit News article. All this needless Northwest flight 255 tragedy could have been averted if the pilots did the very most essential thing for takeoff: Extended the damn *flaps and slats!*
So sad… I’m a retired FA NWA/DL. This is so hard to watch and hear. I can’t imagine how devastating it was for you to have your classmate onboard. I guess every accident has prevented so many. May they all be resting in peace.
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Albom was and is with the Detroit Free Press, just for accuracy.
Awesome video sir these types of video with the cvr audio always fascinate me. We can hear the pilots talking passengers laughing in the background unknowingly they will all be dead in minutes. It's really creepy
Checklists exist for a reason. And not just for airliners. I transported fuel for several years. JUST BEFORE opening faucets to begin offloading fuel...you...CHECK AND DOUBLE-CHECK... 1 Ground wire connected ? 2 Ground wire green light ? 3 Vent(s) open ? 4 Internal (belly) valves open ? 5 Hose secured to faucet ? 6 Clamp tight and secure on faucet end ? 7 Hose connected to intake port on receiving tank ? 8 Clamp tight and secure on tank end ? Okay. Let her go. I don't care if I sound like an @$$h9le. Safety first. Every time.
That's great , you're perfect , have a medal . Humans make mistakes and sometimes they have catastrophic outcomes . Nobody thinks a pilot doing a checklist sounds like an a$$h9le (sic) so I'm not sure where that came from. (Edit was for typo)
This has to be one of the most idiotic ways to perish. Setting the flaps and slats is crucial for flight ad the same stupid mistake has been made many times. There should be a throttle lock that will only release if the plane is properly configured for takeoff.
A 'throttle lock' would be impractical. Too many variables on what constitutes "properly configured". Also, it could possibly prevent a pilot from using emergency thrust lever movement to get out of the way of something...like a KLM 747 coming right at you (Tenerife). Modern jets do have warning alerts if a particular flap/slat setting range is not appropriate for a takeoff.
I mean, there was a warning system to serve this exact purpose, notify the pilots that the plane was not properly configured for takeoff. It had been deactivated. Some pilots would probably get annoyed by a throttle lock and deactivate it too.
It seams a simple idiot light that indicates positive status of the aircraft or take off ready would be in order as well as an alarm with an on/off status light that is less prone to deactivation.
I have seen this air crash a million times but never as good as MPC did. That's why I love this channel. The clarity is ridiculously good. I flew for AMERICAN for many years. They had a ton of these md80's. Hated them. Uncomfortable for the passengers and LOUD but cheap to fly. Loved being moved up to the 757-300, 767-300 ER and 777, Yes, I am old. =)
I too, was a flight attendant for American!! And yes, I'm old too! However, I LOVED the MD-80/82!!!❤❤ (I have a small shelf on my bookshelf, that has my f/a group graduation picture, a picture of me sitting in the first officer's seat on a MD-80 during flight, a "Dreamsicles flight school" music box, which is BEAUTIFUL!! ❤ A plush toy American Airplane that is gray, with red, white and blue stripes, with an AA on the tail, and last, a MD-80 Replica model airplane!❤ Of course back when I was flying, it didn't make a difference which aircraft you flew on, the seats were all the same in First/Business class, and in Coach as well. I knew plenty of people who loved the MD-80, and said that it was quiet, and smooth!!! I didn't like flying the wide body jets, with dual aisles. Wayyy too much work! I'm older than you most likely OR you graduated after me, because I also flew on the 757 and 767 and the DREADED DC-10!! I HATED THAT PLANE!!!😫 I never flew on a 777. I was based in SFO. Anyway, this is a good video, but I like TheFlightChannel just as well. What makes this video better than TFC? The fact that he used the actual CVR in the cockpit/flight deck for us to listen to? OR when he turned over his camera when impact occurred, making it look more real? They BOTH are good channels! TFC uses MANY CVR's in ALOT of their crashes too! Watch TFC Northwest Flt. 255 crash. Although he doesn't use the CVR in this particular crash, he gave great info prior to the crash, to let us know exactly what happened prior to the crash! -- I LOVE BOTH CHANNELS! ❤️ TFC gives us wayyyyy more info than MPC!! Sometimes, it's too much info for many to understand, like understanding airplane parts. I know alot of info that can cause an airplane crash, simply because I worked for the airlines. However, I'm not a pilot, and I can't fly any type of plane. Sometimes, TFC tries to explain what caused the crash, using plane parts and jargon. Words and sentences that are way harder to understand for many of us subscribers. That is the ONLY thing that I don't like about TFC. MPC, just cuts to the chase and shows us as little as possible, that most everybody can understand why the plane crashed.
@@ILoveLucy21. Sorry I love lucy 21 - just saw your post - good stuff - I only became an FA for one reason - the planes! Ever since I was a little boy - I used to build models of the 727 and 747 when I was growing up - when asked why I never became a pilot - I always said I am more comfortable serving the passengers vs being responsible for them - I think I loathed the MD 80's because I got stuck on them so many times - I flew a lot of LGA flights and they were a work horse out of that base - I unlike you LOVED the big boys even the DC10 - The bigger the better - I left flying years ago but still want to fly - just got hired by United and will go to Houston soon to start training - once you fly you don't want to do anything else - it's in my blood - however flying is very different than it was in the 90's and early 2000's - still excited
The flight included a lot of engineers from Chevrolet Engineering in Warren Michigan It was the last flight out of Detroit on a Sunday night for engineers to reach the proving grounds in Mesa Arizona on Monday. RIP 3:13
I was on the highway about 2 miles ahead of the crash!! I think it was i-95(??).It had started to rain/snow steadily.I actually felt and heard the impact and saw a bright flash in my rear view mirror. Terrible day.😢😢😢.R.I.P. to all who perished😢😢.
@@02WIFE It was a long time ago.I didn't actually know of the crash until about 24 hours later.I lived in central Ontario at the time.I do remember the weather was atrocious.
I remember this accident very well . This was before the terrorist ruined things for us , you used to be able to go to the airport and go on an observation deck to watch the planes takeoff and land so I would go to Metro quite a bit. The driver that was killed on the expressway worked with my brother .
When my dumass is asking the "pilots" if they've made sure the plane was configured correctly after learning the take-off runway was different, instead of bullshitting... damn.
sad and tragic. also, i can understand how such a minor overlook can have devastating results. just wondering if all takeoffs/landings are suspended after an event like this and for how long.
I like your video. It's one of the better ones out there and I've seen most of them. We missed actually seeing this happen by about 15 minutes. We did clearly see the smoke from our apartment parking lot in Southgate, 5 miles east of the airport. Which brings me to a suggestion to make your production even better. It was hardly dark outside right before and at the time of the crash. It was still quite light outside. Although the sunset time was just minutes before the crash, in August in Michigan, it takes well over an hour after sunset for it to become completely dark this time of year due to a longer twilight period. There were severe thunderstorms at the airport that evening. If your background captured storms with a still light but nearing dusk sky, you'd have it. Cheers, Ed.
I recall it being quite dark because of the storms that were in the area all evening. Heavy clouds and rain. One of the pilots here remarks about how dark it was.
There's a large grave stone near the site of the crash that lists all those that died. the plane also made contact with a railway bridge. They were lucky there wasn't a train with dangerous materials going by when it crashed.
An experience pilots, it's so sad that they forgot something important the flaps, I think that is like forgetting to use the breaks when we are going to a red light, res in peace 😢
The plane did not have a red tail at the time. It wasn’t raining, and wasn’t even dark outside yet… How do I know? See my reply! Captains name was John Maus!!!! From Las Vegas Nevada Not Haus, also he was working the radio contact with metro tower…🙄 First Officer was David Dodds from Galena Illinois.
I wondered about this... I live in the area and recall this day fairly well. I do not remember it raining and at 8:30ish in August, the sun is still quite high in the sky. The pilot who said, "it's dark as shit out there", may have been referring to storm clouds in the area, because it certainly wasn't anywhere near dark.
@@mkhopperABSOLUTELY CORRECT!! I lived @ Middlebelt and Pennsylvania roads!!! 4 miles south on Middlebelt, my co worker was at his uncle’s house, there used to be a subdivision just north of I-94 on the west side…. The crash blew the windows out of his house!!! Where are you located??
I read a long article 3 years ago written by a first responder who responded to this tragic crash. It was an interesting article that stated that the crash was HAUNTING, as he witnessed dead bodies everywhere that didn't look like humans. He said that they were either burning to death, or the blunt force trauma tore their bodies apart, including heads! 💀☠️ He also mentioned that he and a coworker found the cockpit, and saw the Captain's BRAIN matter splattered EVERYWHERE around him!! 😫🤢 (on the ceiling, and all down the seat he was sitting in) Can you imagine? That poor responder who has had to live with these images in his mind for 36 years!! Alot of responders, actually! I would have had to be put in a mental hospital/institution years ago after witnessing the GORE/CARNAGE of this accident! This didn't have to happen. All because the flaps/slats were never set correctly! 😭 Also, when I was a little girl, I had always wanted to work for the airlines. Right after graduating from the University of Alabama, I went straight to the airport to get a flight attendant application. I flew to Dallas to interview and got the job! I was in training for 6 weeks before I actually began flying. This crash happened during my first month with American Airlines as a flight attendant! I remember it like it was yesterday! I remember being so torn up about this crash, that I almost quit! The haunting pictures scared me to death! 😩 R.I.P. to all that were killed that night, and prayers to their friends and family, even though its been 37 years ago.!🙏
Fantastic video and I am thinking of that really cool wallet. Mine is way to bulky. I am running FSX and it's been great. Thinking of upgrading. What Sim are you using here. Thanks for any info. Rob.
Just curious...in theory, could you deploy flaps at or after V1 if you realize they aren't deployed? I understand there wouldn't have been enough runway in this case to make a difference. But assuming a very long runway, could you deploy flaps in the middle of a takeoff roll?
HOW CAN A PILOT WITH OVER 20000 HOURS FORGET FLAPS BEFORE TAKEOFF. Would YOU allow idle chatter when its snowing and there is confusion in locating the correct runway? Is there such a thing as defensive flying? You know, like defensive driving?
Hello MPC Flights...I LOVE your videos! Are you using Microsoft Flight Sim for your graphics/simulations? They are very realistic. I'm looking for the best Flight Sim out there for personal use...
Wow the pilot didn't do his taxi checklist before take-off. Seems as though the tower change the runway creating confusion and the pilots overlook the taxi checklist. Anything when you fly an airplane you must strictly discipline in all aircraft
IT PISSES ME OFF ALL THOSE LIVES WERE SNUFFED OUT BECAUSE THE 2 DUMB ASS PILOTS FORGOT TO SET THE FLAPS AND SLATS...I LOST ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS ON THAT FLIGHT ✈️
They were not reslly focusing on task in hand ,taking off safely and weather had they deiced it wasent shown they seemed a long time getting up ,and confused about radio instructions
Boeing have peered their check lists down the truly essential items. The Boeing I fly has only .3 items on the “Before Take Off” checklist Flaps Stabiliser trim Cabin Nothing else matters much.
I am always fascinated seeing all the no flap take offs crashes how many pilots do not think flaps immediately they have no lift with sufficient airspeed.
You would think that would be one of the first things to come to mind. Then, lower the pitch and max power. If you're going fast enough, you can get airborne with no flaps.
The crash happened at 8:46 pm. Sun sets in August ( Michigan) around 8:36 pm. It's pouring rain so that would definitely make it much darker. I'm thinking the narrator got this one right.... So heartbreaking 💔
@@RindaJane No DUMBA$$The storm clouds approaching were blacker than hell! I was most certainly light out still!! There’s pictures private citizens took after the crash and it was still light!! Oh might I mention I lived at Pennsylvania and Middlebelt… 4 miles south of the crash site.
This channel usually does a great job on these.But it's inexcusable what you left out of this crash. These are the same pilots who flagrantly violated the sterile cockpit rule. RIP,but how can we learn if we hide what they did that was way beyond normal violations of the sterile cockpit. These guys were joking about the deadly Continental crash here in Denver a few months earlier. Unlike this crash-most people survived that crash. But these guys were joking how they better say something so their family members could listen to something WHEN THEY CRASHED,& DIED! And ya-unfortunately their families got plenty to listen to. For example,the married pilots flirting with a flight attendant who was allowed in the cockpit during taxi-another flagrant violation. Asking about her dating habits...I'm sure the pilots widows just loved hearing that. Again-we need to learn from their mistakes-im not trying to judge them-it was a different world in 1987.(I was only 11). And we all say dumb stuff from time to time. But ya can't hide what they did when it was so flagrantly blatant. Joking about a deadly crash months earlier,& getting distracted cuz you are trying to hit on your flight attendant when you are married. And to tempt fate by speaking about giving your loved ones something to listen to after you die...then it comes true cuz yes the configurent alarm didn't sound. But mostly cuz they were showing off,& totally distracted trying to impress & flirt with a chick not their wives. They didn't deserve to die-nor did the passengers. But to be so distracted as to commit a completely basic error,& for what? Cuz they were thinking with their other heads? And rarely have pilots made bigger fools of themselves-& their families-in hindsight-from what they said on the CVR. I can't imagine the pain of their wives with their husbands dying...then having to hear the nonsense,& disrespectful bile that came out of their mouths to victims of a previous deadly crash,& their own families,& marriage vows. Careful what ya say...God might take ya up on it-whether you think you are funny-or joking...or not.
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Very frustrating to watch. I retired after 47 years of professional flying and I remember this accident. Whenever we took the runway, I always considered it my last opportunity to make sure that I had done everything possible to ensure that the airplane was ready to fly. Both of these pilots were very experienced and I can only blame complacency for this terrible accident.
Can rewrite the pre flight checklist a million times but won't change anything if they don't run through it
You were a professional pilot at age 18?
Well done Capt. A long time to work a profession.
@@grandcrappy : I would like to know what professional flying he did at age 18.
Thanks for not being complacent 🫡
...Subscribed. Seems like good production and interesting & complete storylines. Kudos!
I remember this one quite clearly. My sister was to fly out of metro that night. She went back to my parents house and re-booked her flight as the airport shut down that night.
I wasn't closed for long, but there were major delays as a result. (I believe the center runway remained closed through the night, so that wouldn't have helped with the delays).
well done. The addition of the cvr audio made the video much more realistic.
It's amazing how you take us right into the cockpit. Great video. RIP to everyone who perished.
Most of these sound effects were DUBBED IN🙄🙄🙄
@@100Acesgee ya think?
I love how the situation becomes so personal and immediate in the way this vid is crafted. A truly intense experience. I missed how many were on board, but this was a horrific loss.
149 on board
It's fun seeing the "man behind the videos". I always look forward to the "The situation becomes critical" moment ;)
That was excruciating to listen to. The confusion between the pilots and their seeming inability to concentrate was palpable. The FO didn’t seem to be of much help and didn’t keep the captain on task when he clearly got distracted. And you’d have to think it was the pilots who disabled the takeoff configuration alarm because they were sick of the horn blaring even when the aircraft was configured correctly. Then when it could have actually saved their lives it wasn’t available. Quite ironic in a tragic way.
I lost a classmate of 12 yrs on that flight: Kurt Dobron. I can only imagine the horrors he went through. The majority of bodies recovered were not whole. Everyone on that flight, and *several* on the ground were killed. Only Cecilia Chichan, at the time a little girl under age 5, was the sole survivor. She appeared in a movie called Sole Survivor, where those who were the only ones in a tragedy to make it out alive, talk about their experiences. Interestingly, famous sports writer and cinematic creator Mitch Albom (Tuesdays with Morrie) wrote about Kurt Dobron's life well-lived, in a Detroit News article. All this needless Northwest flight 255 tragedy could have been averted if the pilots did the very most essential thing for takeoff: Extended the damn *flaps and slats!*
So sad… I’m a retired FA NWA/DL. This is so hard to watch and hear. I can’t imagine how devastating it was for you to have your classmate onboard. I guess every accident has prevented so many. May they all be resting in peace.
Albom was and is with the Detroit Free Press, just for accuracy.
Awesome video sir these types of video with the cvr audio always fascinate me. We can hear the pilots talking passengers laughing in the background unknowingly they will all be dead in minutes. It's really creepy
Excellent animation of the crash instant, rarely tried by other producers. Good for you.
I live in Detroit and remember this tragedy and the miracle of the little girl surviving 😮❤️
Checklists exist for a reason. And not just for airliners. I transported fuel for several years. JUST BEFORE opening faucets to begin offloading fuel...you...CHECK AND DOUBLE-CHECK...
1 Ground wire connected ?
2 Ground wire green light ?
3 Vent(s) open ?
4 Internal (belly) valves open ?
5 Hose secured to faucet ?
6 Clamp tight and secure on faucet end ?
7 Hose connected to intake port on receiving tank ?
8 Clamp tight and secure on tank end ?
Okay. Let her go.
I don't care if I sound like an @$$h9le. Safety first. Every time.
True,but you'll sometimes make a slipups
That's great , you're perfect , have a medal . Humans make mistakes and sometimes they have catastrophic outcomes . Nobody thinks a pilot doing a checklist sounds like an a$$h9le (sic) so I'm not sure where that came from. (Edit was for typo)
Thank you for being a pro!
@DrTWG A mistake is different from a f-up. F-ups are reasonably avoidable. don't justify your low standards
Great comment sir I recently got my CDL b with p endorsement. My goal is to get class a with hazmat
My house was about 4 miles East of Metro Airport saw the sparks and fireball from my back yard
This has to be one of the most idiotic ways to perish. Setting the flaps and slats is crucial for flight ad the same stupid mistake has been made many times. There should be a throttle lock that will only release if the plane is properly configured for takeoff.
Yeah, but that makes way too much sense and would be way too simple to do.
A 'throttle lock' would be impractical. Too many variables on what constitutes "properly configured". Also, it could possibly prevent a pilot from using emergency thrust lever movement to get out of the way of something...like a KLM 747 coming right at you (Tenerife). Modern jets do have warning alerts if a particular flap/slat setting range is not appropriate for a takeoff.
I mean, there was a warning system to serve this exact purpose, notify the pilots that the plane was not properly configured for takeoff. It had been deactivated. Some pilots would probably get annoyed by a throttle lock and deactivate it too.
It seams a simple idiot light that indicates positive status of the aircraft or take off ready would be in order as well as an alarm with an on/off status light that is less prone to deactivation.
@@gusmc01 Yeah, those with lazy brains and lots of cocksure ignorance.
I have seen this air crash a million times but never as good as MPC did. That's why I love this channel. The clarity is ridiculously good. I flew for AMERICAN for many years. They had a ton of these md80's. Hated them. Uncomfortable for the passengers and LOUD but cheap to fly. Loved being moved up to the 757-300, 767-300 ER and 777, Yes, I am old. =)
Thanks!
I too, was a flight attendant for American!! And yes, I'm old too! However, I LOVED the MD-80/82!!!❤❤ (I have a small shelf on my bookshelf, that has my f/a group graduation picture, a picture of me sitting in the first officer's seat on a MD-80 during flight, a "Dreamsicles flight school" music box, which is BEAUTIFUL!! ❤
A plush toy American Airplane that is gray, with red, white and blue stripes, with an AA on the tail, and last, a MD-80 Replica model airplane!❤ Of course back when I was flying, it didn't make a difference which aircraft you flew on, the seats were all the same in First/Business class, and in Coach as well. I knew plenty of people who loved the MD-80, and said that it was quiet, and smooth!!!
I didn't like flying the wide body jets, with dual aisles. Wayyy too much work! I'm older than you most likely OR you graduated after me, because I also flew on the 757 and 767 and the DREADED DC-10!! I HATED THAT PLANE!!!😫 I never flew on a 777. I was based in SFO.
Anyway, this is a good video, but I like TheFlightChannel just as well. What makes this video better than TFC? The fact that he used the actual CVR in the cockpit/flight deck for us to listen to? OR when he turned over his camera when impact occurred, making it look more real?
They BOTH are good channels! TFC uses MANY CVR's in ALOT of their crashes too! Watch TFC Northwest Flt. 255 crash. Although he doesn't use the CVR in this particular crash, he gave great info prior to the crash, to let us know exactly what happened prior to the crash!
-- I LOVE BOTH CHANNELS! ❤️ TFC gives us wayyyyy more info than MPC!! Sometimes, it's too much info for many to understand, like understanding airplane parts. I know alot of info that can cause an airplane crash, simply because I worked for the airlines. However, I'm not a pilot, and I can't fly any type of plane. Sometimes, TFC tries to explain what caused the crash, using plane parts and jargon. Words and sentences that are way harder to understand for many of us subscribers. That is the ONLY thing that I don't like about TFC.
MPC, just cuts to the chase and shows us as little as possible, that most everybody can understand why the plane crashed.
@@MPCFlights Lighten the sky like the guy below says.
That is awesome my ex was a flight attendant for US Airways back in 05 and she loved it. She got to see parts of the US that I'll never get to see
@@ILoveLucy21. Sorry I love lucy 21 - just saw your post - good stuff - I only became an FA for one reason - the planes! Ever since I was a little boy - I used to build models of the 727 and 747 when I was growing up - when asked why I never became a pilot - I always said I am more comfortable serving the passengers vs being responsible for them - I think I loathed the MD 80's because I got stuck on them so many times - I flew a lot of LGA flights and they were a work horse out of that base - I unlike you LOVED the big boys even the DC10 - The bigger the better - I left flying years ago but still want to fly - just got hired by United and will go to Houston soon to start training - once you fly you don't want to do anything else - it's in my blood - however flying is very different than it was in the 90's and early 2000's - still excited
Awesome screen presentation! … 👍 …. Amazing work!
Thank you!
@@MPCFlights There are some typos. Capt. Maus becomes Capt. Haus.
The flight included a lot of engineers from Chevrolet Engineering in Warren Michigan It was the last flight out of Detroit on a Sunday night for engineers to reach the proving grounds in Mesa Arizona on Monday. RIP 3:13
After hearing their voices so clearly this is heartbreaking. 😔
I love this channel and all your videos! Awesome!!
I was on the highway about 2 miles ahead of the crash!! I think it was i-95(??).It had started to rain/snow steadily.I actually felt and heard the impact and saw a bright flash in my rear view mirror. Terrible day.😢😢😢.R.I.P. to all who perished😢😢.
What?? It was a very hot and humid day that day! Middle of August! Rain yes, snow...no...
I 94
@ILIoveLucy21. It was a very hot night
@@02WIFE It was a long time ago.I didn't actually know of the crash until about 24 hours later.I lived in central Ontario at the time.I do remember the weather was atrocious.
@michaelrainone296 I live in Detroit and remember that crash. It was a hot rainy August nite. We haven’t had anymore crashes like that since Thank GOD
The same situation occurred on LAPA flight 3142 in 1999 and on Spanair flight 5022 in 2008.
so cool to see you at last :D
Mauricio great work here Brother !
Its a nice Redemptive touch to see the accident aircraft flying again whole in the final scene !
I also like to see them flying at the end.(Not just in this video ).Might be just me,but imagine them flying off into an opposite world as it were xx
I lived near there and we knew something like this was going to happen one day ! May those people Rest In Peace !
I remember this accident very well . This was before the terrorist ruined things for us , you used to be able to go to the airport and go on an observation deck to watch the planes takeoff and land so I would go to Metro quite a bit. The driver that was killed on the expressway worked with my brother .
The animation shows the plane lining up on 3L instead of 3C.
Where was the sterile cockpit?
When my dumass is asking the "pilots" if they've made sure the plane was configured correctly after learning the take-off runway was different, instead of bullshitting... damn.
Thats what the "sterile cockpit rule" was enacted to prevent.
They don't sound like experienced pilots to me. They sound confused and talking about stuff that doesn't matter
sad and tragic. also, i can understand how such a minor overlook can have devastating results. just wondering if all takeoffs/landings are suspended after an event like this and for how long.
I like your video. It's one of the better ones out there and I've seen most of them. We missed actually seeing this happen by about 15 minutes. We did clearly see the smoke from our apartment parking lot in Southgate, 5 miles east of the airport. Which brings me to a suggestion to make your production even better. It was hardly dark outside right before and at the time of the crash. It was still quite light outside. Although the sunset time was just minutes before the crash, in August in Michigan, it takes well over an hour after sunset for it to become completely dark this time of year due to a longer twilight period. There were severe thunderstorms at the airport that evening. If your background captured storms with a still light but nearing dusk sky, you'd have it. Cheers, Ed.
I spoke with him. you didn't get any lovin
I recall it being quite dark because of the storms that were in the area all evening. Heavy clouds and rain. One of the pilots here remarks about how dark it was.
Suggestions, if you haven’t done these before: Two highway crashes, Southwest 242 and Paninternational 112
Thanks for the recommendations, will take a look at those cases.
And Swissair 306/Yeti 691 too
Southern 242
I remember it well. I worked at the Butler hangar on Middlebelt road on the East side of the runway
There's a large grave stone near the site of the crash that lists all those that died. the plane also made contact with a railway bridge. They were lucky there wasn't a train with dangerous materials going by when it crashed.
An experience pilots, it's so sad that they forgot something important the flaps, I think that is like forgetting to use the breaks when we are going to a red light, res in peace 😢
The plane did not have a red tail at the time. It wasn’t raining, and wasn’t even dark outside yet… How do I know? See my reply! Captains name was John Maus!!!! From Las Vegas Nevada Not Haus, also he was working the radio contact with metro tower…🙄 First Officer was David Dodds from Galena Illinois.
I wondered about this...
I live in the area and recall this day fairly well. I do not remember it raining and at 8:30ish in August, the sun is still quite high in the sky.
The pilot who said, "it's dark as shit out there", may have been referring to storm clouds in the area, because it certainly wasn't anywhere near dark.
@@mkhopperABSOLUTELY CORRECT!! I lived @ Middlebelt and Pennsylvania roads!!! 4 miles south on Middlebelt, my co worker was at his uncle’s house, there used to be a subdivision just north of I-94 on the west side…. The crash blew the windows out of his house!!! Where are you located??
I flew out of Detroit like a wk later . All i could think about was that crash. Horrible deal .
Great channel! I was awaiting this recreation! Although it’s a sad story indeed, is that the actual ATC recordings or is it AI?
It's the actual ATC recording
@@JustARandomBlueE2T thanks
Thanks! It's the real CVR. I trimmed some small parts, the full recording is about 10 minutes.
@@MPCFlightsHow did you get the real CVR? That’s not something revealed to the public.
I read a long article 3 years ago written by a first responder who responded to this tragic crash. It was an interesting article that stated that the crash was HAUNTING, as he witnessed dead bodies everywhere that didn't look like humans. He said that they were either burning to death, or the blunt force trauma tore their bodies apart, including heads! 💀☠️ He also mentioned that he and a coworker found the cockpit, and saw the Captain's BRAIN matter splattered EVERYWHERE around him!! 😫🤢 (on the ceiling, and all down the seat he was sitting in) Can you imagine? That poor responder who has had to live with these images in his mind for 36 years!! Alot of responders, actually! I would have had to be put in a mental hospital/institution years ago after witnessing the GORE/CARNAGE of this accident! This didn't have to happen. All because the flaps/slats were never set correctly! 😭
Also, when I was a little girl, I had always wanted to work for the airlines. Right after graduating from the University of Alabama, I went straight to the airport to get a flight attendant application. I flew to Dallas to interview and got the job! I was in training for 6 weeks before I actually began flying. This crash happened during my first month with American Airlines as a flight attendant! I remember it like it was yesterday! I remember being so torn up about this crash, that I almost quit! The haunting pictures scared me to death! 😩
R.I.P. to all that were killed that night, and prayers to their friends and family, even though its been 37 years ago.!🙏
Fantastic video and I am thinking of that really cool wallet. Mine is way to bulky. I am running FSX and it's been great. Thinking of upgrading. What Sim are you using here. Thanks for any info. Rob.
Thanks Rob. I used X-Plane 11 for this one
How could they not set the flaps? Isn’t there a configuration warning?
The warning system had been disconnected due to a lot of false alerts.
@MPC Flights How were you able to get the audio so crystal clear?? And why is the CVR so cut up??
Just curious...in theory, could you deploy flaps at or after V1 if you realize they aren't deployed? I understand there wouldn't have been enough runway in this case to make a difference. But assuming a very long runway, could you deploy flaps in the middle of a takeoff roll?
Checklist. Checklist. Checklist.
I believe this crash happened in the summer & it would still be light outside between eight & nine at night.
Not an overall sterile cockpit. It’s amazing how after 30 years experience you can still get it so wrong. Familiarity breeds contempt. Tragic.
Whatever happened to the survivor?
Google Cecelia Cichan
HOW CAN A PILOT WITH OVER 20000 HOURS FORGET FLAPS BEFORE TAKEOFF. Would YOU allow idle chatter when its snowing and there is confusion in locating the correct runway? Is there such a thing as defensive flying? You know, like defensive driving?
no snow in michigan in august
All that sad loss over an essential check list.rip
Hello MPC Flights...I LOVE your videos! Are you using Microsoft Flight Sim for your graphics/simulations? They are very realistic. I'm looking for the best Flight Sim out there for personal use...
Wow the pilot didn't do his taxi checklist before take-off. Seems as though the tower change the runway creating confusion and the pilots overlook the taxi checklist. Anything when you fly an airplane you must strictly discipline in all aircraft
Haus or Maus?
IT PISSES ME OFF ALL THOSE LIVES WERE SNUFFED OUT BECAUSE THE 2 DUMB ASS PILOTS FORGOT TO SET THE FLAPS AND SLATS...I LOST ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS ON THAT FLIGHT ✈️
All that experience & still the pilots manage to do so much incorrectly. Fate ?
Lack of self discipline
This video is flawed! It was not dark at the time of the crash. I was there!
Incomprehensible.
They were not reslly focusing on task in hand ,taking off safely and weather had they deiced it wasent shown they seemed a long time getting up ,and confused about radio instructions
Delta did the exact same thing in the early 1990s!!
Boeing have peered their check lists down the truly essential items. The Boeing I fly has only .3 items on the “Before Take Off” checklist
Flaps
Stabiliser trim
Cabin
Nothing else matters much.
nice face reveal!
Why isn't there a system that kills takeoff in some way if there are criticality unsafe conditions at takeoff? Not alarms. Shut off the engines.
They may sometimes shut if off
After V1? Bad idea. Takes a couple seconds for the pilots to notice the engines' been shut off and then disaster is unavoidable.
After the crash they improved the faulty alert system. How nice of them! 😜😜🤦♂
Aviation safety changes are ALWAYS written in blood!!
0:26 Huuuum if I normally don't feel my wallet than how am I supposed to know that I lost/forgot my wallet???
There's a "Notify when left behind" feature in the app that would warn you, and of course the old touch and go!
@@MPCFlights Dayum that's impressive!
Their idle and stupid chatter about another airplane distracted them from doing their JOBS properly.
They turned off safeties
I am always fascinated seeing all the no flap take offs crashes how many pilots do not think flaps immediately they have no lift with sufficient airspeed.
You would think that would be one of the first things to come to mind. Then, lower the pitch and max power. If you're going fast enough, you can get airborne with no flaps.
is this ur first time face revealing?
It is :)
Complacency and bored with your job killed innocent people 😒
As I thought, fake.
The camera wouldn't be following the aircraft in this manner
This crash did NOT occur at night. It was summer, still daylight.
That must be why the pilot says, “It’s blacker than shit out there.” at 7:40. Thanks for clearing that up….Sun must have been in his eyes.
The crash happened at 8:46 pm. Sun sets in August ( Michigan) around 8:36 pm. It's pouring rain so that would definitely make it much darker. I'm thinking the narrator got this one right....
So heartbreaking 💔
@@RindaJane
No
DUMBA$$The storm clouds approaching were blacker than hell! I was most certainly light out still!! There’s pictures private citizens took after the crash and it was still light!! Oh might I mention I lived at Pennsylvania and Middlebelt… 4 miles south of the crash site.
It was dark I remember the nite and hearing the news. I had flown out of metro airport that june
Human complacent attitude. So very sad..
Is there a certain airline that all the screwup pilots go when nobody else will hire them?
👎👎👎 Obnoxious sound effects. 👎👎👎 ::
Without even seeing it, I don't want to see another fake video.... But I'll wait to see a bit of the video
Here we go again, an aircraft incorrectly configured for take off kills many. Arrogant/incompetent flight crew disregarding SOPPs/checklists.
This channel usually does a great job on these.But it's inexcusable what you left out of this crash. These are the same pilots who flagrantly violated the sterile cockpit rule. RIP,but how can we learn if we hide what they did that was way beyond normal violations of the sterile cockpit. These guys were joking about the deadly Continental crash here in Denver a few months earlier. Unlike this crash-most people survived that crash. But these guys were joking how they better say something so their family members could listen to something WHEN THEY CRASHED,& DIED! And ya-unfortunately their families got plenty to listen to.
For example,the married pilots flirting with a flight attendant who was allowed in the cockpit during taxi-another flagrant violation. Asking about her dating habits...I'm sure the pilots widows just loved hearing that. Again-we need to learn from their mistakes-im not trying to judge them-it was a different world in 1987.(I was only 11). And we all say dumb stuff from time to time. But ya can't hide what they did when it was so flagrantly blatant. Joking about a deadly crash months earlier,& getting distracted cuz you are trying to hit on your flight attendant when you are married. And to tempt fate by speaking about giving your loved ones something to listen to after you die...then it comes true cuz yes the configurent alarm didn't sound. But mostly cuz they were showing off,& totally distracted trying to impress & flirt with a chick not their wives.
They didn't deserve to die-nor did the passengers. But to be so distracted as to commit a completely basic error,& for what? Cuz they were thinking with their other heads? And rarely have pilots made bigger fools of themselves-& their families-in hindsight-from what they said on the CVR. I can't imagine the pain of their wives with their husbands dying...then having to hear the nonsense,& disrespectful bile that came out of their mouths to victims of a previous deadly crash,& their own families,& marriage vows. Careful what ya say...God might take ya up on it-whether you think you are funny-or joking...or not.
You are confusing Delta flight 1141 with these one. In this crash there was no flirting nor joking about another crash.
The Aeroplane rose by a few feet, not a few FEETS !! Are you a numpty brain or what 🤪🙈
Ex Republic.