I'm fine with the current argus, the adv server revamp made him take longer to kill tanks If they really want to make a minor buff just revert everything and add some movements speed buff and maybe a little extra seconds for cooldown and that's it
Global server Argus is so much better since you don't have to commit your ULT to do BETTER burst. This version is so much weaker, 40% pen gone and longer ULT CD are such big nerfs while gaining nothing.
I remember last year after Argus got 40% armor penet in patch and 2nd skill passive boost make him viable without ult, they also said "Argus too reliance with Ult" last year. In this patch moonton really confused with Argus spammable passive so thats why they try to balance him with penet removal and 2nd skill boost removal. Too bad they took back the "too reliance with ult" statement
moonton to othe heroes that needs buff: aww poor you here some buff,hopefully you get stronger with this buff❤ Moonton to Argus: *f**#cking** treats him like how he is treated in his lore*
If they'll really be doing this version At least they should buff his base stats and growth stats such as HP, Attack Power and Attack Speed Then bring back his old passive where he recharges his rage faster when his HP becomes lower
@@ZayedHeroPlays knowing Moonton doesn't have a sane mind I'd probably just wish they would bring back the Oldest Version where he was still Orange XD The 3 slash passive was also his peak damage tho, I wanna have that version tbh
@@EllieGoodie thing is his current version is very balanced from mid to late but insane at late which I think is fair cause his early is easily abusable
@@ZayedHeroPlays he's scary at late specially if he hides in the bush and some random Marksman or mage just gets near to it only to get obliterated in seconds because of the inspire spell that Argus mostly uses
I disagree. Argus needs a buff. It's very difficult to fight vs current meta. All fighters on exp lane just need 1-2 items for damage, and then buy defence and there will already be a huge impact from them. Whereas Argus needs at least 4 damage items to have any damage at all. Lapu just needs to buy defence boots and part of an armour, and Argus will never kill him until lait comes. And who said that enemies will wait for his late game?😂 The same goes for other fighters. Argus is called a trash hero for a reason, he's very easy to counter. Argus is just one of those heroes that needs a revamp. His good winrate is only held by a very small number of players who know how to play him. In addition, because of his weakness, I am not rarely tease at high ranks, even to the point that my teammates specifically take heroes to lose because they have an Argus mainer in their team. It's clearly an inadequate situation, proving that developers must buff this character. And last nerfs completely killed him. On test server people often have high ping, also they don't have a rigid goal to win in front of them, which the original server in ranked games has. On the original server, meta fighters buy defence. Nerfing a passive that has 40% penetration removed from it will lower Argus's damage to meta heroes a lot. Also cd of his ult is too long.
@@ZayedHeroPlaysThat's not a question for me, that's a question for developers. 😂😂😂 Why they've decided to make all these changes. You just said that you are happy with current Argus, that's why I reacted that way.
@@ArgusBessmertovich I am happy with current argus tho, I think he's perfectly balanced and strong late game like alot of heroes are and the changes don't feel good to play which defeats the purpose of revamping. My opinion tho
I feel like they could have stayed with the last version of this revamp ( before they retreated the experimental Revamp) Like that version is actually and already fair enough this one seems a bit pushed back further ,, The only thing they could nerf argus is cool down and the removal of Slow immunity but in exchange of yeah 8ish immortality and Purification against cc ( Francos ultimate example) but yeah still this is experimental revamp not official yet so they gotta cook right and they better finish that Epic skin of his ( in work for what 9 years ? ) they gotta make it buyable and not Event wise I have been waiting
Also They trying to make argus go with the route of Crit build because his a burst/charge fighter not reap so basically they tryna correcting the guy ( Reap heroes are like Claude or Karrie ) . Again this is EXPERIMENTAL" revamp" not official revamp also they really should have reverted the 3 slash attack of him if ever they'll go with this route of revamp he's better that way
Dude current argus needs improvement 1. weak early game damage 2.low durability ( without ult) 3.too much dependency on ult without ult argus can be killed easily 4.argus has low win rate and he is one of the lowest picked heroes in high ranks
It's weird So they're making his teamfight better and his push worse But made him EVEN MORE ult reliant?? And made his ult cooldown so bad??? And chucked his versatility out the window???? WHAT DOES MOONTON WANT FOR ARGUS?!?!?!?
At 3:22 you can see that Argus doesn't gain hp from attacking to zhask's spawn. Another hidden nerf :/ Also, did Argus just cleansed Layla's stun at 8:41 when death immunity triggered?
Argus was good during his early days, argus since his major rework has gone weaker and weaker every patch I'm glad I quit playing mlbb for a while, this revamp argus stinks.
@@toppingbeast5979 I use them both, critical build against squishy and the trinity against tanky heroes, but again, Argus needs a buff, it's not enough for the current meta, and never use critical build when the enemy uses vengeance, if u did, you'd only kill yourself.
@@ZayedHeroPlays I watch hororo channel where they remove argus 40% ignore defense from his passive. If they did remove it, I'm pretty sure assassin emblem will be more viable with the revamp argus tho it's just my opinion
It is huge nerf he will bedome a lot weaker in early game than he is now and the low damge is the biggest nerf in history to any hero in mllbb like they reduced almost 50-60% of his damage the best part about argus was its damage moonton truly hates argus they just show it as a buff but its the biggest nerf they took the best par of a hero like if u took an mms attack speed and lifsteal
Argus ult it's bugged in advance server Every time i tap my ultimate the cool down go to 60 seconds but my ult never activated 😢 Do you know why Or it's happening to someone else too?
@@ZayedHeroPlays i hope it's fixed soon because if this release without fixing the ult this going to be problem right btw im fast hand and im trolling with the recall bug
@@ZayedHeroPlays normal it's having 170 or 200+ damage right? I tasted him but i attack Layla and Argus dealt only 177 damage with triple demonic slash i was using full critical build
CRIT is better because both ult and passive get alot stronger with CRIT but honestly I found the difference weirdly close and I didn't really fought alot of tanks to truly see the difference so hopefully this revamp gets cancelled 🗿 but if its actually coming to live then I'll have to try it on ranked to find out
@@ZayedHeroPlays well due to the penetration from his passive got removed, I think moonton was going to replace the penetration removal, or leave it there; just like you said, the change isn't final, so we'll have to wait till the last change before the new update
As a noob Argus, this is what i think about his revamp His early is weaker but his late is too much stronger Tank killer build is still works as always and there is not much difference But new crit build is too much stronger than the crit wich he have for now Of course his ult is too stronger now, ult burst damage also movement and damage buff is so interesting and too much stronger His push is too weaker now because he can't get energy from terret This means wining by yourself when your Allies are noob is too much harder Of course his team fight is too much better too amd I think his taken damage will be too much more than tank😂 Pro players like you probably don't have much problem with a little weaker in early But his early nerf makes him too difficult for new players Also, he used to be a simple hero to use, I mean, his skills and combos were easy to understand and nothing special, but now he has a lot of rules and in order to use him properly, we have to do some research on him. I think i would like new Argus, but I'm not sure...
It’s not a revamp it’s a big nerf on Argus The biggest joke I ever seen in mlbb
It's nerfs and buffs combined
Balance? 😮 @@ZayedHeroPlays
Goodluck having to do this against yuzhomg WHAHAHAHA
Argus: Immortality or Death!?
Moontoon: Nerf.
🗿 pain
Tbh Argus in global server just need extra movement speed when ultimate, thats gonna be good.
I think he's perfectly balanced and a monster in late game
@@VikaBoko or extra speed attack, at least when he's using his ultimate.
I'm fine with the current argus, the adv server revamp made him take longer to kill tanks
If they really want to make a minor buff just revert everything and add some movements speed buff and maybe a little extra seconds for cooldown and that's it
He's balanced on global more buff will make him OP and meta so I think they should just leave him be
@@ZayedHeroPlays I'm totally ok with this tbh
Your hp always goes to zero during ult = ult cd 50-60 seconds. Another thing I noticed, they still have not improve Argus defense and base hp
That's kind of bad to me 💀
Global server Argus is so much better since you don't have to commit your ULT to do BETTER burst.
This version is so much weaker, 40% pen gone and longer ULT CD are such big nerfs while gaining nothing.
It is what it is I guess
Adv. Argus feels like an immortalized version of Zilong, but slow in movement speed, His ult increases dps is a joke for me
I remember last year after Argus got 40% armor penet in patch and 2nd skill passive boost make him viable without ult, they also said "Argus too reliance with Ult" last year. In this patch moonton really confused with Argus spammable passive so thats why they try to balance him with penet removal and 2nd skill boost removal.
Too bad they took back the "too reliance with ult" statement
moonton to othe heroes that needs buff: aww poor you here some buff,hopefully you get stronger with this buff❤
Moonton to Argus: *f**#cking** treats him like how he is treated in his lore*
6:57 7 seconds immortality... wow perfect ult
60 sec CD 🗿
@@ZayedHeroPlaysI might buy fleeting time on late game 😔
@@Curtanax and lose a slot for a non dmg item?
@@arigatameiwaku ye i dont wanna be useless for 60 sec, Argus dies pretty quickly without ult
If they'll really be doing this version
At least they should buff his base stats and growth stats such as HP, Attack Power and Attack Speed
Then bring back his old passive where he recharges his rage faster when his HP becomes lower
Cancel the revamp and do something completely new 😎
@@ZayedHeroPlays knowing Moonton doesn't have a sane mind
I'd probably just wish they would bring back the Oldest Version where he was still Orange XD
The 3 slash passive was also his peak damage tho, I wanna have that version tbh
@@EllieGoodie thing is his current version is very balanced from mid to late but insane at late which I think is fair cause his early is easily abusable
@@ZayedHeroPlays he's scary at late specially if he hides in the bush and some random Marksman or mage just gets near to it only to get obliterated in seconds because of the inspire spell that Argus mostly uses
Bro is not even one of the highest winrate, not OP, not popular, and moontoon treated him like the biggest threat in MLBB
They just hate him for some reason
Long story short
Lesser damage
Weaker passive
Stronger ult
I disagree. Argus needs a buff. It's very difficult to fight vs current meta. All fighters on exp lane just need 1-2 items for damage, and then buy defence and there will already be a huge impact from them. Whereas Argus needs at least 4 damage items to have any damage at all. Lapu just needs to buy defence boots and part of an armour, and Argus will never kill him until lait comes. And who said that enemies will wait for his late game?😂 The same goes for other fighters. Argus is called a trash hero for a reason, he's very easy to counter. Argus is just one of those heroes that needs a revamp. His good winrate is only held by a very small number of players who know how to play him. In addition, because of his weakness, I am not rarely tease at high ranks, even to the point that my teammates specifically take heroes to lose because they have an Argus mainer in their team. It's clearly an inadequate situation, proving that developers must buff this character. And last nerfs completely killed him. On test server people often have high ping, also they don't have a rigid goal to win in front of them, which the original server in ranked games has. On the original server, meta fighters buy defence. Nerfing a passive that has 40% penetration removed from it will lower Argus's damage to meta heroes a lot. Also cd of his ult is too long.
Buff doesn't mean it needs a revamp which makes him worse lol
@@ZayedHeroPlaysThat's not a question for me, that's a question for developers. 😂😂😂 Why they've decided to make all these changes. You just said that you are happy with current Argus, that's why I reacted that way.
@@ArgusBessmertovich I am happy with current argus tho, I think he's perfectly balanced and strong late game like alot of heroes are and the changes don't feel good to play which defeats the purpose of revamping. My opinion tho
I feel like they could have stayed with the last version of this revamp ( before they retreated the experimental Revamp) Like that version is actually and already fair enough this one seems a bit pushed back further ,, The only thing they could nerf argus is cool down and the removal of Slow immunity but in exchange of yeah 8ish immortality and Purification against cc ( Francos ultimate example) but yeah still this is experimental revamp not official yet so they gotta cook right and they better finish that Epic skin of his ( in work for what 9 years ? ) they gotta make it buyable and not Event wise I have been waiting
Also They trying to make argus go with the route of Crit build because his a burst/charge fighter not reap so basically they tryna correcting the guy ( Reap heroes are like Claude or Karrie ) . Again this is EXPERIMENTAL" revamp" not official revamp also they really should have reverted the 3 slash attack of him if ever they'll go with this route of revamp he's better that way
That skin is never seeing the light of day
Dude current argus needs improvement
1. weak early game damage
2.low durability ( without ult)
3.too much dependency on ult without ult argus can be killed easily
4.argus has low win rate and he is one of the lowest picked heroes in high ranks
In right hands he's unstoppable
Adv. Server Argus = Blade armor and vengeance his already hella weak 💀
Org. Server Argus = Good luck countering his Trinity Build 🗿
In the End Sun become the strongest split pusher at all
Masha and Argus lost it 😅😭
Still loving the current argus because of the 40% penetration passive
It's more than that, the low ult CD and how simple it is
It's weird
So they're making his teamfight better and his push worse
But made him EVEN MORE ult reliant??
And made his ult cooldown so bad???
And chucked his versatility out the window????
WHAT DOES MOONTON WANT FOR ARGUS?!?!?!?
Yeah he was ult reliant before but ult CD is quite low but now he may be vulnerable for like 50+ secs
At 3:22 you can see that Argus doesn't gain hp from attacking to zhask's spawn. Another hidden nerf :/
Also, did Argus just cleansed Layla's stun at 8:41 when death immunity triggered?
Yeah I already mentioned this as the healing from ult only works on heroes on advance server
Idk about the 2nd part it seemed the stun was over and he got a burst of movement from his ult
If they released this revamp, some people gotta use an item that reduces Ult cooldown when killing or getting an assist (i forgot the item name)
Uhh the thing idk what it's called too💀
Fleeting time
They should give him more attack speed if they want him to be a CRIT guy
No matter what "revamp" he has
Im not going to let 40% armor penet got away😠
Moonton says nah
They're revamping agus because of the star wars event really. Cyclops too
I don't even like that skin 🗿
Argus was good during his early days, argus since his major rework has gone weaker and weaker every patch I'm glad I quit playing mlbb for a while, this revamp argus stinks.
Play Phoveus
Just bring back the bleed effect for the 2nd and icrease the stun on first thats just the buff i want
What is your opinion regarding this "balancing"?
Should be cancelled and argus left alone as he is
2:20 Argus needs a buff, so I'm unhappy with the current Argus
Nope u just need to use its damage build instead of Trinity then see
@@toppingbeast5979 I use them both, critical build against squishy and the trinity against tanky heroes, but again, Argus needs a buff, it's not enough for the current meta, and never use critical build when the enemy uses vengeance, if u did, you'd only kill yourself.
Why tf would they even think of nerfing Argus? I still can't make sense of it until now
What do you think after playing argus for a long time on advance server. Who is better on advance server or original server?
Original without a doubt. he's simple, fun and strong but advance is just confusing
What's the difference between assassin emblem and mm emblem which one is better for argus
Mm emblem is better because his attack speed goes crazy and helps in split pushing
@@ZayedHeroPlays I watch hororo channel where they remove argus 40% ignore defense from his passive. If they did remove it, I'm pretty sure assassin emblem will be more viable with the revamp argus tho it's just my opinion
It is huge nerf he will bedome a lot weaker in early game than he is now and the low damge is the biggest nerf in history to any hero in mllbb like they reduced almost 50-60% of his damage the best part about argus was its damage moonton truly hates argus they just show it as a buff but its the biggest nerf they took the best par of a hero like if u took an mms attack speed and lifsteal
Man I hate the fact that argus are Very bad against tanks
😭😭
Something gotta be nerfed. He can still power through them, just is weak to cc. Tho the armor pen removal on demonic slash will be a hard nerf to that
Tank killer build is still as good as past
But his crit build become too stronger after this revamp
They still need to bring back 40% Pen.
3:06 what was that ult delay 😭
Either 90 Ms or slow hands 🗿
Will advanced server update this day? If so, i hope they change argus :)
I dont think so
Argus ult it's bugged in advance server
Every time i tap my ultimate the cool down go to 60 seconds but my ult never activated 😢
Do you know why
Or it's happening to someone else too?
I haven't noticed that
@@ZayedHeroPlays i hope it's fixed soon because if this release without fixing the ult this going to be problem right btw im fast hand and im trolling with the recall bug
@@NFX_Shiro it's in advance server for a reason so there will be bugs before releasing 👍
@@ZayedHeroPlays did you notice something strange on argus damage?
@@ZayedHeroPlays normal it's having 170 or 200+ damage right?
I tasted him but i attack Layla and Argus dealt only 177 damage with triple demonic slash i was using full critical build
So what build do you prefer for the revamp argus?
Trinity build
Or
Crit build
CRIT is better because both ult and passive get alot stronger with CRIT but honestly I found the difference weirdly close and I didn't really fought alot of tanks to truly see the difference so hopefully this revamp gets cancelled 🗿 but if its actually coming to live then I'll have to try it on ranked to find out
@@ZayedHeroPlays well due to the penetration from his passive got removed, I think moonton was going to replace the penetration removal, or leave it there; just like you said, the change isn't final, so we'll have to wait till the last change before the new update
wtf is that ult cooldown
Somebody tell to moontoon please keep argust like to day is ok for play😢
Argus is the best hero currently but they don't see the vision
Argus was ok they shouldn't have touch him
Fr i think i will lost my gameplay if they realesed this shitty ass nerf
Yeah idk why they're forcing him to become a Teamfighter
@@ZayedHeroPlays they nerf him too much bro
Why they are focusing on him?
Bcz have 2 upcoming skins also whenever he gets a buff you tubers hype it so bad that instantly get nerf
Which upcoming skin?
@@ZayedHeroPlays collector skin and his epic skin. Epic may be in pending but the collector will come in 2 or 3 months
@@yone9605 any link about that info ?
Its not buff its a huge nerf for argus
the ultimate duration more long time again. moonton ruin argus i think. and soon will adjust again
to me, this is a big nerf to argus 😮💨
It is uncertain
@@ZayedHeroPlays but I would play argus either mixed build or critical build :/
Painful passive dmg
That goes both ways
@@ZayedHeroPlays People think he's weak but he can get used to it no matter what.
As a noob Argus, this is what i think about his revamp
His early is weaker but his late is too much stronger
Tank killer build is still works as always and there is not much difference
But new crit build is too much stronger than the crit wich he have for now
Of course his ult is too stronger now, ult burst damage also movement and damage buff is so interesting and too much stronger
His push is too weaker now because he can't get energy from terret
This means wining by yourself when your Allies are noob is too much harder
Of course his team fight is too much better too amd I think his taken damage will be too much more than tank😂
Pro players like you probably don't have much problem with a little weaker in early
But his early nerf makes him too difficult for new players
Also, he used to be a simple hero to use, I mean, his skills and combos were easy to understand and nothing special, but now he has a lot of rules and in order to use him properly, we have to do some research on him.
I think i would like new Argus, but I'm not sure...
Yeah for some reason they want to him less simpler which isnt a good thing, some heroes should remain simple
nah
Martis Needs A Revamp! 😢
Naaaah. this is the worst shit. I've seen out of all on Argus's Adjustments.
Yeah revamp is not it