Bush Camp Long Term Winter Survival Shelter Course
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- Опубликовано: 2 фев 2014
- www.primitiveskills.com Survival School students at the Maine Primitive Skills School practicing long term winter survival shelter skills at the "Winter Skills Weekend" build a Bushcamp based on designs used by traditional trappers here in Maine.
IT IS SO SO GOOD TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE GETTING TOGETHER TO BUILD A COSY HOME FOR EACH OTHER
I was just saying this video was perfect, saying no to the suggestion of dropping music and more narration. I live in Danforth Maine. this is right on point.
Still, if you ever get a chance, we are always looking to share in learning skills. We're just down the road in Augusta. We certainly don't know it all, and we love to grow.
Cool thing about those pole type double lean to shelters is a man running full on and kicking it won't bring it down. Great cover from bears and widowmakers. I like a little insulation on the outsides of mine our wikiup we built like this had to have a rocket stove because that ridge is so breezy and cold. The only ground litter we had to work with was pine straw. Was good as a rain shed but insulative value sucked.
Freaking awesome!!! I'll be up all night watching your videos!! Blessings all !!
great shelter ! subbed !
With so many videos seeming to glorify the macho state of suffering in survival, its nice to see one that looks at it more sensibly. My take has always been to find as much comfort as one can, whenever one can. With comfort (not complacency - thinking floods, avalanches, etc :) ) comes more relaxation, rest and recovery and a better frame of mind bringing greater mental and physical resilience. When one has comfort and security, one is no longer merely surviving, but living and it is this distinction that can make the difference between success in the elements and catastrophe :)
I think, as well, that a number of the comments really reflect just how far many people have really come from nature and both their lack of experience and arrogance. A number of them are probably prime Darwin Award candidates :).
Preparation of shelters like yours has allowed an outdoor lifestyle (as opposed to 'survival') globally, even here in Europe where, even today, there are regions where mountain shepherds still use ready prepared shelters and cottages.
Agree, by the way.....Darwin Award Candidates ?, I need to take that one, regards from Florida, USA.
this will help me for the future! thank you!
Here is the instructional video we made for the shelter in context with survival shelters in general. ruclips.net/video/Wm2MwIy_a0w/видео.html
Superb video!
What is wrong with the comments section? Every one is hating on you for what ever little "problems" they see, the well where are their videos of them doing it better? You guys are teaching people and that's awesome, you guys also have expenses just like everyone else. Keep up the great work
Nice video, but I have concocted pitched logs with leaves and pine bows. Amazing how warm that is in winter. A lean-to of the same materials facing an open fire with a fire wall on the opposite side is incredible.
Nice looking shelter.
when its no longer about survival and more about living. i like it...
zindi1138 it's always only about survival. doesn't matter if you're dead broke living on the street, or working that 9-5 on Wall Street. take some Donald Trump like dude and crash his plane in the Rockies... riches to rags just like that.
no, cause when your warm and not hungry and dry
thats living.. survival is the opposite.
zindi1138 if you're not warm then you're NOT surviving. step A to survival is warmth, step B is comfort. What you're talking about is COMPLACENCE. Complacence is what does most people in.
whatever,i think your ideas are wrong.
who cares. right?
its not like im telling you what to think and say and do.
Nice. At our school we have a saying, "Convenience kills". Working ones edge with regard to Shelter, water, fire, and food doesn't mean abandoning your lighter or high speed hammock, it's realizing that these things can become a self limiting crutch and create a "gear dependency" born of convenience.
Were I able to I would love to be in the middle of the melee.I am an old poop and nearing the end of days but my mind is always sharp.
vicky Lahman my peepee hurts
aww man I wanna go!
I really like your trousers that you are wearing at 2.35. Where did you get them? ATB Dave.
great video be a lot better if you turn the music off and and do narration telling us how and what you doing preciate it
From my reading of the northern literature, people had numerous shelters built throughout their trapline and hunting trails. They also continuously made caches. So they could travel lighter and hunt and gather more efficiently, knowing they had a decent shelter close by, and caches of resources. They were called "nomads" by the immigrant agricultural people, but actually they were very much a people of a place, tied to it their whole lives, and not nomadic at all.
Thats pretty much the definition of nomad.......
This video includes a finished long term bush camp along with four other shelters. ruclips.net/video/Wm2MwIy_a0w/видео.html
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Seriously, I've been doing this since my early teens. I just didn't think it was important. At nearly 60 years of age, I still try to go winter camping at least twice a year. It helps that I have acquired gear that lets me be warm even without a fire, but I definitely haven't forgot what I learned in Scouts, and from camping solo in the Canadian Rockies.
Right on Ken. Getting into the temples of creation, especially in the solitude and beauty of Winter is a sacred act that involves our whole being. I'm only a few tracks behind you time wise on this earth. Thankfully, we share a common outdoor story that transcends all the trash out there passing as "news" or virtual reality. Safe journeys, friend.
Primitive Skills There is definitely something about it that keeps bringing you back. I plan on camping solo the first 2 weeks of November (Ontario Canada) and I have been doing this for about 25 years.
@@KCBarr1 i hope your winter adventures are still going well
I need to go to this school.
Super!
Not too bad, like the vapor barrier design on the roof. Noticed yer wearing a lot of none-primitive clothing, lol. I'm gonna sub and check you out more.
is the shelter in the preview picture not the same as the one built? the inside looks great!
It is the same! We just made modifications after the video using a window and adding a rocket stove radiant floor heating system to conserve firewood.
+Primitive Skills ahh cool would love to see an update sometime, the rocket stove floor systems are pretty cool!
snow caves and igloos
will save your life...
been there done that
Love the shelter but at the end did you guys just throw tarps over it?
With only so much time in the weekend courses, and it not being bark peeling season until March, this is as far as the class got. We'll finish each of the shelters in the Spring to have them for the next ten winters or more.
Liked the video, never tried this design. Actually, never had four Walls :-) something for next winter.
One question, Even in changing weather, would'nt it be waterproof with only branches. I've used that before, however never for longer than couple of weeks. ?? ☺️
It would work for a few months, but with such a heavy load of wet organic material, a vapor barrier (in traditional times birch or other large tree with smooth and peelable bark) will allow the shelter to last for a hundred years. These were used by semi-nomadic trappers. Spaced a days walk from each other, they stayed for a few weeks at a time in each following a seasonal migratory route between fish in the warm months and woodland caribou, moose, and deer in the fall through winter. Trapping was a large part of this migratory routine. Thus the term "Passamaquoddy Trappers Lodge" as it is referred to by folks at the State Museum. Our challenge has been to find ways to incorporate easy to scavenge modern materials to increase this already efficient design. Thanks for your insightful question! Hope this helps!
+Primitive Skills yup. Thanks
Must be nice to have 10+people to help you build and charge them for doing it.
Value the skills and you are eager to learn them through hands on experience. Being a chair borne ranger helps no one. Your channel, like your character, has no content. It is never too late to get out of moms basement and interact with the world in a productive manner.
Come to Northern Minnesota, Tenderfoot Maine Guide.
we offer workshops globally if you have a base and a group of people who would like to attend.
Isnt the opening too big on the shelter. I think it will be hard to keep the heat if the entrance is that big
Yes! If we were working with a debris hut type shelter where radiant body heat, or even a conventional home, where a furnace or other internal heating source were the primary means of keeping the interior warm, we would certainly want a smaller opening. The original design calls for an external trench fire, where the heat gets captured by the overhanging extension and, as it cools, creates a vortices that allows for even warming throughout the shelter. This isn't efficient in the context of being in a fixed location for long periods of time, but it worked well for the seasonal migratory routes of hunters/trappers of old, who would move from one of these shelters to the next some twenty miles apart. We added a window and rocket stove to increase efficiency (less than a third a cord of wood per year) and allow light in (prevent mold when not in use and take advantage of passive solar warming during he day). It works well so far (year three).
+Primitive Skills okey,thank you so much for your answer
At 0:48, hold it right there! A TAPE MEASURE!? Are you serious!? I thought this was a video on wilderness survival, not an episode of ' This Old House '
At our school we share survival as the beginning of ones skills development. Precision comes with practice and is necessary for developing a sloppy "survival shelter" into an air flow management system that addresses radiation, convention, and conduction. The measurements the students were using were from a Passamaquoddy Trappers Shelter that relies on trapping convective currents from the radiant heat of a long fire. This shelter has since been modified to use a thermal mass radiant floor heat system from locally gathered clay, sand, and scavenged materials. Now in it's fourth winter, the shelter uses less than a third of one cord of wood per winter. If you find yourself suffering in the natural world, it is your skills that are lacking. I hope you find this helpful.
Lol right
You should work for NASA. They make FAKE reality using CGI and their specialty is using language to create illusions like you.
What did you mean by saying that snow shelters in Maine will kill you? I'm not that familiar with the region, and was kind of surprised that.
+ClockCutter Our winters are characterized by wild temperature swings and a wide variety of precipitation. Wet and cold and frozen at forty degrees is a set of challenges not suited for the construction of snow shelters as we get soaked making them ad then the heavy (ideally porous) snow melts into solid ice. The results are too frequently wet bodies in frozen coolers that increase conduction rather than act as good insulation. There are few and rare starches of weather that get cold enough for long enough with the right snow conditions to make a quinzee to igloo and have it perform as well as it does in the north or the interior. Canada and Alaska have far better climate and conditions for these types of shelters. Hope this helps!
Thanks.
The wide variables of freezing and thawing make Maine a challenge to folks because it is both wet and cold. Places with extreme cold alone are typically dry and cold. Maine, in many ways is much more challenging than places like northern Canada and Alaska because we have to build in wet conditions for freezing temps through the night. February this year was a great example. We had upper fifty degree temps one day and it got down to nineteen below zero at night a week later. Our last risk of frost is the end of May even though we are experiencing seventy degree temps right now.
Nice! Near Madawaska? I'm envious of the Spruce in your area, not the black flies! If ever this way, would love to have you check out the school.
Props to the guy wearing Dutch DPM camo.
ive slept in nice snow shelters. just need to know how to do it right.
Here is the instructional video we made for the shelter in context with survival shelters in general. ruclips.net/video/Wm2MwIy_a0w/видео.html
is the guy at the end mimicking les stroud?
No, just mimicking a cheesy announcer. When Les first came ou on Discovery, many of my instructors and long time students insisted it was me with a Pen Name. I have a belly, Les is trim.
I've built that style shelter by myself in an afternoon. whats with the crew?
In a class format sharing how to selectively harvest the balsam fir to maintain a healthy forest, going over blade safety and use, and shaving the bark off the poles takes up the majority of the time. The other piece is in gathering the rocks and creating the ring to keep the butt ends off the ground. The double ring we make takes about three hours with this many people because the rocks are scattered. It is an essential piece to the traditional design, and it is what allows this shelter to last for decades.
I watched with the volume low. must have missed the fact that this is a learning endeavour.
The shitty background music forces you to mute the video don't worry.
Never Worry. Never Hurry. Never force anything.
weren't you on season 1 of doomsday preppers? I did like the piece you did on that show. did you middle son ever come around to the outdoors preparedness you teach? enjoyed the video. saw you got a lot of trolls criticizing you. when the coming social unrest happens they'll freeze to death in their apts still talking smack. keep up the good work.
Thanks Mike. Sadly, much of their "story" about us was fabricated to fit their theme. Ryan is an avid outdoorsmen who is learning how to gather wild rice this year as well as blacksmithing this winter. He is eager to learn enough to teach at the school.
Glad to hear that.
looks like a lot of wood and effort.
0:09 Ariel View... Wonder why The Little Mermaid get's her own look at the shelter setup...
From this weekends "Winter Skills Course". www.primitiveskills.com
+Primitive Skills
Good stuff. It will be more important as Global cooling takes place and another ice age happens.
Never happen. The Lord will come, and the mere brightness of his coming will scorch the earth to a crisp. If you're going to prepare - best to prepare for that!
The difference between fear and respect is love.
+Ridgeback Fancy --- come back to reality dude. your 'lord' and that entire idiotology is a myth. this channel provides very real and good info for Free! A person does themselves and others a great justice when learning all they can and passing it along.
No the difference between fear and respect is intention....
I tried to build a shelter using leaves but it stays wet in my area, and my shelter top turns into compost.So I am going to try just the frame with a tarp and tree limbs.People needs to use man made items and natural material to do survival living instead of going all natural.
"come out in our woods and play" lol
sleep might be the only luxury you have- but is is also a necessity.
Sweating out the FPV leaves an unpleasant odor, but it's a sign of progress.
This is as cute as a collie puppy. Your fort looks like fun. You'll freeze, but it'll be FUN!
It's been occupied for three, going on four winters and uses less than a third a cord of wood to stay above sixty degrees in temps well below zero. This is with one fifteen minute fire before bed each night. You should come to a class Roger. You would have fun and learn a great deal.
A third cord for how long? I can feel the climate change from here while you pretend to be natural.
A third a cord of wood for the year. We plant more trees than we consume. Our harvest this year took three weeks and we have enough food in acorns, wild rice, apples, and pears alone for three years. We live the skills as much as we can. Refining and expanding them along increasing the bounty of our landscape. What aspect of "pretend" are you referring to? Back at it, have to make Autumn Olive Ketchup for our Sunchoke "fries". Safe and happy journeys.
A handful of guys live there all winter on a third cord. Bullshit.
No, it is real. "Pretend" is burning through four plus cords trying to heat eight foot tall rooms with an inefficient heating system where more than half the heat goes up a chimney. Using the basic concepts of thermal dynamics, we build structures that resemble in dimension and air flow management the native structural designs used throughout the globe. In this case, by incorporating some modern materials, the Lakota Fire Pit becomes the rocket stove thermal mass radiant floor heating system that brings the locally gathered sand.clay cob to temperature and slowly releases that stored heat over the course of days. The passive solar south facing window also maintains a year round temp of above 48 degrees f. without using the rocket stove. The Fuel is mostly dead standing branches off of trees. The organic roof generates heat while composting and we add each year until the wall thickness is below frost line, about 38-42 degrees. No need to be disgruntled. Ignorance is easily cured by experience. Again, come out and see what we have been working on for the last thirty years. You won't embarrass yourself anymore AND it is fun!
Any fool can rough it that shelters smoothing it to the max :)
Aren't you Less Stroud???
Sorry to disappoint. Just a displaced Piney working o keep the skills alive.
))) so much people building such a primitive construction? that's funny))))))
Yes! It was a great workshop and many folks learned a great deal. I hope you can make it to one of our classes!
Aerial
it should not take this many people to build something this small and simple
We find the best way to teach such classes is with a group of eight to twelve interested individuals. It gives them a good mix of hands on, as well as the engineering principles, and the traditional context from which the shelter comes from. With this size a small class can have a shelter, from harvesting and shaving the poles, to an operational rocket stove thermal mass heating system, in one weekend course.
Exactly what Michael Douglas below stated! He is our Director of Adult Programs here at the Maine Primitive Skills School.
Music too distracting
Did you just say elder?
I might have. In the video or in the comments. We "adopt" woods wise and life savvy "Elders" as part of our community and as a means to restore respect to those who have gone before us. It also helps temper out of balance young adult and adolescent energies who would want to rage against "the machine" with the disillusion of knowing more than, or being smarter than, their grandparents. By restoring a continuum of story line with the people and the landscape we also repair the separation between humanity, the ecology we tend, and the responsibility we have toward the future generations. I hope this helps.
if building snowshelters kills you by hypothermia then why have the Inuit survived for so long
Dry, powdery, and compact snow. Here in Maine the snow is heavy and wet. This makes staying dry during construction nearly impossible. Add to that the heat you generate building the shelter, the time it takes to allow the snow to compact before you can use the shelter, and then climbing into a wet shelter as temps fall and you are already wet and you have the perfect scenario for chronic hypothermia before you can light a candle. I've managed to pull off successful snow shelter twelve times in thirty seven years in this region, but only during conditions that mimic those found in Inuit regions farther north. Hope this helps.
If i hadn't seen what that guy looked like i would have sworn it was Les Stroud talking.
So it took 8-9 guys to build a shelter for 2...😁
tape measures ? really?..
Ofcourse! Respecting the dimensions and material use demands it. Unless you were born to a native culture living a semi-hunter gatherer lifestyle fresh out of the womb, you would want to learn the craft with every advantage as well. The engineer and architect in the video weren't able to recreate the dimensions without the tools of their trade either. Our goal for the class was success, not sloppy guess work that effected efficiency or wasted materials. Standards of design are an important aspect of our courses.
No you don't need a tape measure, and you don't need to be native American and you don't need to be an engineer, you need common sense. winter+snow+weight+cold, will allways equal the things needed to make it. any hillbilly knows that. whether ling term or short term.. taught my boy and he taught his , taught by m father and his before that . to save rope , I'd have used and axe and knives to add strength in places where alot that rope was used. a good carpenter and woodworker also does the same. never know when an extra foot of rope will save your life..
It takes one full size basswood tree worth of cordage to complete the shelter using the right dimensions. I wish "common sense" was as common as it used t be. This is actually a highly efficient air flow management system, where an extra two inches in either direction means either freezing/wasting fire wood or freezing/losing too much radiant heat from the interior. The radius of stone foundation and the height of the peak are only two of the critical measurements necessary to make sure the airflow aspect of the original design allows for the trapping of heat from the trench fire into the shelter in such a way that it creates a rolling current as it mixes with the cool air from the floor. Using correct measurements allows for warm airflow to keep sleeping folks warm without having to roll over constantly like a hotdog in one of those quickie mart machines. With this design, in Maine, we burn less than a cord of wood a winter. That's less than a cord of wood to keep the three shelters we have people living in through the winter. Over three years, that adds up. At fifty, I feel six cords of wood after I'm done felling, bucking, splitting, and stacking it. After four of these, folks usually can do it without measuring tools and are proficient enough to use natural cordage without waste and with decent enough hitches, knots, and lashings.
cut thin stripes length wise of the of the smaller branches. makes for great tie downs and when it dries and shrinks , it really has a tightening effect last for years.
could do without the "music"
I'll watch it through on mute
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What's with the stupid noise
Just the voices in your head Fred. Listen carefully, they're saying you need to go outside more.
I'll never understand people putting background music in nature videos, it's the dumbest thing they could do and look at this video's ratings lol funny
It's how we weed out trolls and chairborne rangers from the motivated students who want to come to our courses and learn. 90% student return rate, now that's funny.
His tape measure is actually in Chinese so he can't read it nor can the other 40 people helping him build it
this is like so canadian
I thought I recognized that voice.
do we need a lot of manpower for that...
Haha.. "Ariel View"
Why not just focus on native american technology for your particular area...no one is going to have tarps ropes and steel tools when lost out in the woods.
Because the world has changed in 500 years.Our school incorporates "best practices" of ancestral skills combined with modern materials and technology to help folks get connected in a way that can be applied to their modern lives. It's not just "native American" technology, but common practices of hunter-gatherer nomadic cultures around the world that we aim to share in the context of our modern world.
You are a PR dream. Are you trained in Jesuit techniques?
And this is useful because ... ?
Here in Maine most homes go through four to six cord of wood a winter with each cord being over $200.00. This shelter never remains above freezing all winter and consumes less than a third a cord of wood to keep it between 62 to 28 degrees fareinheit. This provides an inexpensive means of staying alive and comfortable year round instead of being shackled to thirty years of house payments or rent. It's also better for the environment with a smaller foot print and less materials consumed to construct and maintain.
Three years is the longest some has been staying in one of these shelters. They are beginning their fourth. The others are relatively newer see the second longest occupation is two years. These shelters are designed to last for decades.
Three years is the longest some has been staying in one of these shelters. They are beginning their fourth. The others are relatively newer see the second longest occupation is two years. These shelters are designed to last for decades.
okay so if I'm stranded in the forest and I need to survive all I need to do is find a group of 26 people and get myself my shelter started
Excellent commentary on how far removed we have become from our natural environment. "Survival" is a statement on that alienation. "Rambo" approaches are unsustainable compared to the wisdom of our native grandparents. We teach survival as entry level nature literacy. From there, long term shelters are a part of the suite of skills that are used seasonally AHEAD of when they are needed and with the rhythms of what is available in each season. We harvest and peel the balsam fir and spruce in the Spring, gather rootlets for cordage in Summer, and construct the shelters in fall through early Winter with the pre-gathered materials as it had been done for centuries before the separation caused by the industrial age and mass institutionalization (public school). If you would like to increase your operational intelligence, self reliance, and develop deep nature connection check out our school at www.primitiveskills.com. Best wishes.
@@primitiveskills how many live trees were cut?
@@michaeldumas4907 All of them, and in a responsible manner that increased biodiversity without compromising multiple canopy from ground cover to shelter wood. As you may well know, Abies balsamea (Balsam FIr) is a pioneer species whose strategy is to choke out an area of any competition through thick, quick growth and self prune over decades. By thinning the dying trees, sunlight hit the forest floor allowing Birches, Poplars, and even slow growing trees like oaks and beech to emerge. As a result if thirty years of building efficient shelters based on traditional design, we have increased indicator species like shrews, moles, voles, mice, and squirrels, as well as apex predators like grey fox and bobcat. Our ruffed grouse and wild turkey populations as well as our diversity of owls, buteos and accipiters also indicate a reintegration of human presence as mutually beneficial participants in our biome. Hows your backyard doing?
My back yard is doing just fine in this 3.2 million acre park witch I have lived and called home for 61 years...30 of those years in forestry management.....I was just asking a question, not criticizing...I just wanted to know...no need to justify to me what you do....have at it!..lol...............@@primitiveskills
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concise!
Couldn't find a job huh? I'm guessing no 'skill sets' ... ?
I run the Maine Primitive Skills School. It will be thirty years in August. While I remain a perpetual student of the Earth and invest the majority of my waking life in family and bringing folks into a relationship with the fabric of life in a way the empowers them and increases personal investment in developing mutually beneficial relationships is always challenging, enthralling, and a catalyst to increase ones own operational intelligence, I don't think I ever considered it a "Job". So, yes, I believe you are correct. I haven;t found a job! I don't think I ever looked for one. After the Marine Corps, I knew who I was and what I was supposed t do with my life. The skill sets come and go as I need them. It's often hard work, but I really have no idea what I'm doing. It's quite joyful actually.
How many trees did you waste?
None! As you may know, balsam fir is a pioneer species that self prunes over two decades and dies out in forty to sixty years. We have been thinning the balms fir for twenty five years and reintroducing native rare nut and fruit producing trees to emulate the edible forest gardens of the original nations of this area. In this case, the Penobscot, Passamaquoddy,
And Micmac. Butternut, black walnut, white, oak, beech, and assorted native shrubs grow where ever light hits the understory and our balsam fir maintains a steady multi story growth to supply the school with materials for shelter building. Hope this helps. Much respect, Mike.
How many trees did you waste? Really?
Nature by itself kills more trees then the logging industry used to harvest.
These gentlemen are and have proven how to live in wild conditions and all you worry about is how many trees did you kill? Have you ever spent a night out in the woods in winter?
I have truck slid off an icy road into a 80 foot plus ditch and burned to a crisp. I just barely got of with only light clothing and a machete, quickly as is was near zero decided to build a survival shelter by digging down in a flat area till I found pine needles, dug a 7 foot trench erected a cover over the head area filled it with pine needles and wove a blanket of fresh pine needles to cover me. I was pretty much frozen and hardly able to move when I crawled into it and placed the blanket of pines branches over me and figured I was dead. Imagine my surprise when I woke up warm and comfy until a tow truck drive stepped on my legs and I yelled at him. Scared him outa 10 years of his life he told me. When I got out of me bed I discovered it was 30 below zero. I wanted to climb back in but I was quickly surrounded by medics who took me to their ambulance which was warm.
I never attended a survival school, what I did came out of my Boy Scout manual from the 60's!
It took me over three hours to fix up what I started calling " my gravesite "
I never anticipated surviving. The driver that stepped on me said I looked like death warmed over when i crawled out of my bed.
Turns out I had been sleeping for two days since the accident.
These gentlemen are trying to impart knowledge that can save your life but if you want to worry about a few trees when you need your wits about you, kindly be my guest and if your really lucky the remains Might be found before a bear finishes with them.
All the equipment and manpower don't equate to survival. I shut it off. Change your name. Primitive you ain't! No more Primitive Skills viewing for me. Goodbye.
mmmmm "" very healthy looking "dead fall they are using ????
Here is the instructional video we made for the shelter in context with survival shelters in general. ruclips.net/video/Wm2MwIy_a0w/видео.html
honestly does it really matter anyone literally anyone and everyone can replant trees, i really dislike when people like you come along. period.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.......read maybe?
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None! As you may know, balsam fir is a pioneer species that self prunes over two decades and dies out in forty to sixty years. We have been thinning the balms fir for twenty five years and reintroducing native rare nut and fruit producing trees to emulate the edible forest gardens of the original nations of this area. In this case, the Penobscot, Passamaquoddy,
And Micmac. Butternut, black walnut, white, oak, beech, and assorted native shrubs grow where ever light hits the understory and our balsam fir maintains a steady multi story growth to supply the school with materials for shelter building. Hope this helps. Much respect, Mike.
If building a snow shelter in Maine can kill you, it's because people in Maine have no clue how to build a good one. Snow shelters work extremely well everywhere there snow, including the Arctic Circle. You don't think the Inuit have the resources you used to build that shelter of yours, do you? The trouble with the whole philosophy of build in the summer is twofold. Fold one is not knowing where you'll need to be in the winter. Fold two is hat happens if you get caught in a survival situation and need a good, long term shelter on the spur of the moment? On top of all that, there are far better ways of building shelters. All you do by peaking a shelter like that is take away valuable room.
James, you couldn't be more wrong on all accounts. Maine is warmer, rarely providing the prolonged cold weather necessary for the dry compacted snow REQUIRED for snow shelters found in Alaska and the Canadian Shield. Quinzees are one of the better options for wet snow conditions here simply because the compaction of snow mounded creates conditions that can make an efficient snow shelter out of the less than optimal snow we work with, but you still get wet making them. Knowing where you will be seasonally is how the Passamaquoddy, Penobscot, Malicete, and the rest of the Abenaki confederacy lived for thousands of years. These shelters were built as part of known seasonal migration routes. "Valuable Room" means burning more calories or wood to keep it warm. Efficient dictates smaller interiors. "Survival" is the equivalent to nature illiteracy and denotes "emergent skill level". For the continuum of shelter design based on ones skill this video has more to share; ruclips.net/video/Wm2MwIy_a0w/видео.html
umm no!
Based on your experience how would you address conduction, convection, radiation and air flow management issues using a natural materials, a native design, and a below freezing climate for a weekend class with eight motivated students? Would LOVE to learn from you.
The problem I've found is if you try to set up shelters ahead of time these dumb SOB zzz find enjoyment out of destroying these places. Back in a day they would never do this because some ones survival depended on these shelters.
It is a fact that the biggest threat in the out of doors has become other people over the last few decades. Being more resilient means working smarter, harder, and training to be sharper than the vagrants that would destroy rather than create. All I can say is that after putting so many of these shelters up, the ones we care about are camouflaged well and way off the beaten path. Don't let the masses get you down. Stay hungry and sharp. -Much Respect.
this is a one man job. an army to build a shelter ????!!
Our courses range from four to twelve students with one to three instructors. With regard to shelter building workshops, this ratio is necessary to adequately pass on the nuances of materials, design, and the management of moisture and air flow in addressing radiation, convection, conduction, and air quality. As a result, the finished shelter is occupied this winter and to date only needs a thirty minute fire to bring it up to seventy degrees fahrenheit with only a three degree temperature drop over a twelve hour period through nights well below freezing. Hopefully you can make it to one of our courses! Thank you for watching.
The music is so loud I stopped watching
So you didn't pack the tools that the real bug out survivalists, pioneers, did to build their cabins on arrival. You built crap shelters. You didn't pack real warm camping supplies and a years worth of meal staple for the trail as the real bug out survivalists, pioneers, did. You built crap shelters. Survivalists will die in SHTF. Only homesteaders like pioneers have a chance.
This course was for students who came into the woods to learn from folks who not only have lived in the woods in these shelters for multiple years, but who also know how to share the skill in a manner the professional builders, architects, and laypersons can understand. You should come to a course and learn the skills. It is fun, involves doing, and you would really enjoy it. Much Respect.
Hope you're using dead wood
Primitive Skills
5 months ago
QUestion was if they used living trees---"None! As you may know, balsam fir is a pioneer species that self prunes over two decades and dies out in forty to sixty years. We have been thinning the balms fir for twenty five years and reintroducing native rare nut and fruit producing trees to emulate the edible forest gardens of the original nations of this area. In this case, the Penobscot, Passamaquoddy,
And Micmac. Butternut, black walnut, white, oak, beech, and assorted native shrubs grow where ever light hits the understory and our balsam fir maintains a steady multi story growth to supply the school with materials for shelter building. Hope this helps. Much respect, Mike."
I belive they are not..
Ugh..
Small camp why have so many people to build? And its not fit for all of you to stay inside .watch survival lily youtube,she even can make bigger
Small camps are more efficient to heat and stay warm. This was a class where people from all over come to learn the design. This shelter uses less than a third of a cord of fire wood each winter. It has been lived in for three years full time.
Michael Douglas i see, thats great then
If I had 400 ft. of cordage, six people, three saws, three axes, and two days, then I could build that kind of shelter too...or maybe I will just watch Survival Lilly build a great super-shelter all by herself: ruclips.net/video/O_n1_-seZkU/видео.html
You sure could! After twenty nine years we've found the best way to share the dimensions of this traditional Passamaquoddy Bushcamp in a weekend workshop is to use pre-made cordage and metal tools. The traditional approach with stone tools and Basswood (Tilia americana) cordage takes just over ten days. Survival Lily is a great resource! We love her vids here at the school too! Hope to see you on the trail! Let us know how your shelter turns out!
All those men and thats what youve built?! ive built better shelter on my own.
That's our normal class size and actually, without an understanding of conduction, convection, radiation, and thermal dynamic principles combined with use of natural materials to address these issues as well as their inherent properties through the degradation sequence, I'm not sure you could achieve this degree of efficiency without guidance or use of reference. Come to a class, it is a good time and we share these skills in a fun and informative manner.
I dare you to try to survive more than a weekend without your bag of 21st century tricks and gizmo's.
Three months. It was lonely. Came back to generate a community of skilled practitioners. That was in 1989. Still going. You should come out. It's actually really fun. We'll start you with the Earth Living course. It is a comfortable transition from the institutionalized lifestyle to a more feral and independently owned and operated existence.
Sounds crappy Sigma IIIs school is better.
Nice! I'm good friends with the owner of Sigma III. I highly recommend their courses. Don't troll Rob. He isn't as warm and fuzzy as I am.
I was on board until the guy pulled out the tape measure, bushcrafting is not an exact science
Bushcraft is a hobby, primitive skills is a study. In this course, the measurements were taken from an actual Passamaquaoddy trappers shelter and recreated to study airflow and radiant heat efficiency with first a reflector wall and long fire and then a rocket stove thermal mass radiant floor heating system constructed of scavenged and locally harvested materials. The structure still stands and has kept folks warm and comfortable for three winters. Each winter this shelter consumes less than a third of a cord of wood while keeping the internal temps near events. Good luck in your pursuits.
The crowd of healthy adult men whole day doing house for two. They cut down a lot of live trees. Homegrown scouts behave like children.
Thank you! The best way for students to learn is to make the lesson fun! This shelter has kept a couple warm through winter with less wood than a weekend camp fire consumes. Effectiveness in instruction and the end result is the bottom line. How are your shelters?
Building shelters is cool/fun and all, but the ideology being propagated in both your videos and responses to the comments is inconsistent at best. Shunning society for its materialism and "consumerism" - whatever the hell that means - while advertising a pay-to-play course on the internet... The irony doesn't escape me.
Just old patterns based in divisiveness, not irony. Choosing "best practices" to bring folks through the adolescent stage is not condescending toward the purity of primitive skills, nor is recognizing that our modern paradigm has some unsustainable tenants. By choosing best practices and working toward implementation of these skills through direct experience we hope to share useful information that has been applied and can work for anyone. I hope this helps.
Alot of big words, strung together in a way that says very little. I can guarantee you that the "best practice" for keeping warm in a sustainable shelter is not to go out into the woods and build one out of twigs. It's to engage in society, make money, and purchase or rent a house. *That* is the best practice for survival. It works for literally billions of people. Anything else is a hobby.
And I'm fine with you having a hobby. But the contempt you show for modernity and "consumerism" is based on a false idea that if everyone lived off grid like this, the world would somehow be better. When in reality you know that modernity contains the real best practices, and that is precisely why you are trying to monetize your hobby by using the internet, which is perhaps the posterchild for modernity itself. Again, I'm absolutely fine with your hobby and your desire to make money from it, but to claim that these skills are more than a hobby; that they are the only skills needed to sustain an existence of best practice, is misleading and a claim that I doubt you even believe yourself. Otherwise, why monetize?
I understand your adversarial approach, but it is not necessary or well founded. Best practices indicate taking deep nature connection and the most stable homeostases of humanity (hunter-gatherer-nomadic) and combining it with modern technologies and breakthroughs. Defending consumerism is to defend a model that breeds overweight and undernourished dependents on systems of addiction and poor health. It's not a bad thing if you subscribe to the model knowingly and write off the quality of life of future generations. Some folks are simply not equipped beyond instant gratification or the long term effects of "most toys wins". Hard work toward increasing bounty and cultivating mutually beneficial relationships is a common thread that can work in the new paradigm required beyond a false dichotomy (us versus them). It's not about abandonment of modern components, it is about the responsible application of tools and skills to increase self reliance, deep nature connection, and resilient community. This is not a Hobby. This is a School that provides courses to Military, Colleges, Home Schoolers, Public and Private Schools, and individuals. It has been in operation since 1989. You should come to a course. I think you would find it empowering. Best regards.
I failed to answer your question. The honoring of sacred exchange, wisdom and knowledge, guidance and mentoring, and the skills, is done in many forms. To pay property taxes (our campus is sixty acres), hire someone for the office to take registrations, and pay for trees, shrubs, vines, and seeds for the many programs we run with apprentices and regular course regarding stewardship, reclamation, permaculture, and herbalism, just to name one of the many programs we provide, we incorporate money, work-study, barter, and volunteers. It helps get the word out and to maintain the quality of our programs. It sounds like you are upset about skills sharing with skippable ads? We have over three hundred instructional videos and this is your focus? Are you okay? I invite you to our monthly skills share, as a guest. Getting outside and having meaningful interactions with folks around skills that empower might do you some good. What do you have to lose?
Oh and having an 8 man strong team building this luxuary long term shelter in the summer or fall so that you don't have to do anything when you want to camp out in winter is not survival, and it says nothing about your skill set either. Anyone can build a luxuary bush villa if you take the time to build them beforehand but that hardly represents a real survival scenario which you are comparing this with, does it. Or a hiking scenario.
Exactly! Good points and the reason our entry level skills courses, like back packers survival, ruclips.net/video/3vh2MI6iooY/видео.html, are considered "entry level". Reliance on gear to "suffer until self rescue", or rescue by others, indicates an emergent skill level. The course we filmed in this video shares more sustainable approaches to "Earth Living". This goes beyond returning to a modern baseline. It is how to live unplugged from a structure that may be in flux and to do so more sustainably than the current paradigm. No one in this course forgot how to set up a quick tarp and have boiling water in under fifteen minutes. They just moved on to longer term skill sets. It's a progression here at the school.
Pure unadultaratd BS!!
Going into our fourth winter with that shelter, burns less than a third a cord of wood per winter, no leaks. No BS. Hop off that chair and go outside more. Learn what's real instead of virtual.
wow no way to freaking cold up there even in summer ??? not meant for humans to live there !!!! I don't even know why I'm looking at this video???
You killed so many trees. For what? You could make it much easier and does not destroy the forest.
I applaud your concern. This is a good learning opportunity. For thirty years we have gardened our forest to increase productivity. By thinning the Balsam Fir we have encouraged more sunlight to hit the understory, increasing plant diversity, habitat, and forage for indicator species. As a result, because of the way we harvest for our shelter courses, we have increased the diversity of plants and wildlife at the school.
You have a degree in biology and ecology, to assert it? You performed statistically reliable studies that prove your statement? Can I read the publication about this?
My Masters Degree is in Environmental Education, but we have a staff forester and a staff biologist. We also host workshops for the Maine Organic Farmers and Permaculture Educators here in Maine regarding Regenerative Design and Caretaking to increase yield and biodiversity. Come to a class! It is very educational and quite fun! The statistically reliable studies are a freezer full of meat and a continued increase in snow shoe hare populations (indicator species) as well as a healthy bob cat, coyote, and fox populations (apex predator species). We teach tracking courses too!
We selectively cut those trees to teach people how they can provide efficient shelters for their loved ones without leaving such a big impact on their environment. More than that, the mentality that we are caretakers designed to productively interact with the landscape instead of defile it or, worse, treat it like a museum piece, is the larger lesson here.
Yes! Any book on "Permaculture". My teacher wrote a good work called "Tom Brown jr.s Field Guide to Living With The Earth". It's thirty years old but the practices are timeless.
You replied to someone below: " Consumers can be all glitzy and destructive and claim ignorance"
You killed at least 76 trees for your demonstration, not including what you hacked out for the front.. If you don't own the land then shame on you, you had enough bodies there to find dead fall or other material. If you do own it, who cares, right?
And yeah, before you start your windup, I have lived in Maine my whole life, am familiar with this and other ways of similar construction and have built them myself. So don't say I'm ill informed or blame it on Bush.
Actually, the balsam fir we harvested are part of a thirty year plan to increase yield with regard to maple (sap in the spring) beech and oak (mast crops in the fall) and ash (for baskets and emergency fire wood). This is year twenty seven of that plan. We've not only been teaching year round shelter building courses, but increasing the bounty of the plant and animal diversity on our sixty acre campus (as well as the carrying capacity of indicator and apex species). It is called the "caretaker attitude" and a modern expression of it can be found in permaculture design. Here is a recent video we made on it. ruclips.net/video/c7gvjhZaaYY/видео.html
Self reliance is the antithesis of reliance on stories generated by Rupert Murdock for a contrived two party system designed to keep folks divided and distracted, undernourished, and dependent upon manufactured systems. "Consumers" are not "Citizens". We encourage folks to be citizens who can provide for their own shelter, water, fire, and food. You should come check out the school! We'll be ricing until Wednesday, but feel free to drop in after that. Would love to show you around the campus.
kill trees, it is very stupid. If you do ti, you do not like the forest.
Your house does far more damage and continues to consume much more energy than these shelters. The shelter built in this video is occupied and consumes less firewood all winter than a small house does in a single week. It also has an edible plant roof and the increase in wildlife because of this shelter and the way it is built adds health and diversity to our forest. You are not stupid, you are just disconnected and forgot what our ancestors knew about cultivating health by living WITH the Earth and not on it.
I know, but kill a tree is live on Earth not with is, for this, although I live in a house in a city LIKE YOU, When i go to he forest I don't kill trees, I carry seeds to plant more trees! However, I live in a city beause i was born here, but I don't think to live in a city on the Earth for the rest of my life. I want to live In the Earth, not to live on or whit. (I don't speak english very well). In other hand, if you really love Nature, you shouldn´t kill to here children. on the other hand, You and I to live in a city or in a town, consuming resources, if we go to the forest, we don't help to anything if we go to the forest to cut trees, far away of this, we destroy the home of animals and then, we are consuming more resorces (again, sorry for english).
No, we live in these shelters. And our forest is healthy because we live WITH our forest. Our school shares in the old way. If you take care of the forest, the forest will take care of you. We have to kill every day in order t live, but if we prune like a gardener and listen to her needs, we can make the land healthier in the way we harvest for shelter, water, fire, and food. I hope this helps. Your English is good.