Discovering the Erebus: Mysteries of the Franklin Voyage Revealed
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Seeking the unknown, braving the hardness of the North - the ill-fated Franklin Expedition has become an enigmatic part of Canadian national identity. Many have sought to unravel the mystery of what really happened to Sir John Franklin and his crew. Now, 169 years after they set forth, an exciting discovery - the ship Erebus has been found.
On February 3, 2015 experts Marc-André Bernier and Adrian Schimnowski shared their experiences of the hunt for Franklin. The lecture explored recent discoveries and artifacts, underwater archaeology and what comes next in piecing together the real story of the Franklin Expedition.
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Fantastic presentation, and very informative. My only suggestion is at 1:31:49. When a child sits through a presentation of this magnitude, shows interest and asks a question, *please* do not be dismissive to that child. It is in very poor taste to take yourself so seriously that you disregard an innocent question from a child. I’m thankful that one of the other gentlemen recognized this error, and answered the child’s question. I’m sure that if he did not step in that it would have humiliated the poor kid, and possibly crushed his interest or courage to ask questions of people who he admires.
Well said...That would have crushed me as a child.
@@brandonhaggard5794, because everyone else treated you like the sum Was shining from your sitting device?
@@HermunthrudaWaldheim ..... What?? LOL
@@HermunthrudaWaldheim What crawled up your sitting device?
😂😂😂😂
I remember hearing about the Franklin in the past but never knew much about it. What a fascinating story. It's crazy to think that the standard for hundreds of years has been to underestimate the knowledge of First Nations Peoples the world over. The more we learn to value their stories and wisdom the more we all benefit. In Australia our Indigenous peoples continue to be doubted and dismissed on subjects they know more about than literally anyone else in the world. Since our governments are sometimes slower to act, it is so important that academics continue to push for these opportunities to collaborate and to listen indigenous perspectives.
No
@@davidarmentrout6877 ignorance isn't bliss
I would love to see a show called "solved mysteries " that goes over the most incredible unsolved mysteries and explains what happened.
Its called unsolved mysteries. The solved ones tell what happened.
@@EricFapton , yeah I know , thank you . I love that show with Robert Stack ! I've literally seen every episode at least 3 times . I watched it when I was a kid too , terrifying as it was lol.
I even found a lot of the episodes on RUclips.
I wish there was more mysteries explained, though !
I love a good investigation into mysteries and mysterious events !
@@jimwednt1229 The Skeptoid Podcast does a good job of (occasionally) tackling older cases, and explaining them via currently available (i.e.updated) information.
@@shenanitims4006 , wow really? I'm going to check that out!
Thanks man!
@@jimwednt1229 No problem! A lot of the old Unsolved Mysteries had supernatural elements, which the skeptical community mines.
In watching this entire presentation I got a feeling how the men of the Erebus must have felt while being trapped in the ice, sitting still, not moving, with the noises the ice made while it cracked and moved around them. Good job making the experience so realistic.
+monkeyboy4746 I am waiting for the edited version.
+Pat Heenan Yes, those poor souls, they couldn't get away, they must have had the doors locked.
monkeyboy4746 Wow. Your comment describes this thing perfectly. It's doesnt get any better than that. Thank-you! Thank-you, for saving me. The real meaning of comic relief.
*monkeyboy* .....Well.....if this sleep inducing presentation can make you feel filled with anxiety about the horror of this expedition.....better not watch the actual dramatisation documentary here on RUclips..because that'll might get you nightmares...😨
PaulLonden what documentary are you talking about???? I’d love to watch it!!
As other commenters have stated, this lecture could have been about 35-40 minutes long but the speakers were rambling on and on. Still, it's an interesting subject and it's always good to hear the voice of Malcolm McDowell (my favorite actor) in the intro.
I met a lady from Jamaica who had moved here to Canada and on a typical winter day here near Toronto she said to me, "You would die if you had to spend the night outside" I had to agree with her.
Who in there right mind would move from Jamaica to Canada.
You would not die if you knew what to do. If you were prepared.
I live in Minnesota. We have winter camped just for fun.
The coldest time was -20°F. I was so warm I got sweaty. Which is not good. I had to peal my thermal underwear cuz it was damp. Brrr! So get naked. Then redressed. Then into sleeping bag. Yummy warm.
Made a half assed snow fort igloo one day and spent the night in it but did not sleep. Just to see...
Not enough snow or continuous cold weather to build useful fort anymore.
Im glad I did these winter camps as practice cuz years later I became homeless and survived winter living in a sleeper cab of a junked semi. No power. No fire. To be fully honest i only had to stay in that cab sporadically. But still I did it on many many sub zero nights and there were some nights I wasn't sure if I would suffocate (from layers of tent material I burrowed into) or freeze.
Fingers and toes and nose were biggest concern.
Highly not recommend homeless in Minnesota winter.
Highly do recommend winter camp if you plan it well and take all safety precautions. With other people. Start out in your back yard.
Do not include your idiot friends. Only level headed intelligent ones. Can't have pushy aggressive cocky dipshits trying to run the show. No flippant idiots that don't follow common sense either. They will get you killed.
I would rather camp in cold weather cuz i hate mosquito's and ticks.
But I would rather not camp at all anymore. Had enough of that by necessity. Doesn't interest me in the least recreationally.
I think she sounds adorable!
This is a tragic story of the Franklin Expedition.Trying to find a northwest passage through the ice with 2 ships.Both ships became trapped in the ice.The crews abandoned the ships and tried to walk to the Back River. Harsh weather of the Arctic, and scurvy effects ,and food poisoning, along with lead poisoning led to the expeditions demise.No one survived from the original expedition.Walking along King William Island dragging long boats was very hard.Crews were not dressed for this weather.Cotton clothing and wool would make a crew member sweat.No proper footwear but the leather boots they wore.King William Island is a barren land.Today.the weather is hard to even walk or trek at KIng William Island. Captain Crozier and Captain Franklin were the only 2 that had Polar Experience on this expedition.The men starved.The absence of vitamin C affected their over all health.
@Oliver Von arx Scurvy has 200% bonus effect in this area.
Cannibals
@Oliver Von arx , yes. Scurvy and lead poisoning contributed to their deaths. Men wore wool clothing. It made them sweat more. This weather also contributed to their deaths.
Yes I agree. The torment the expedition went through doesn't seem to have been addressed. This is akin to the first man going to the moon, but these people make it seem as though it's a difficult walk in the parkl imagine leaving your families, in excitement at being pioneers but then gradually realising you will never return home. Horrifying.
@@christinewright110 What these men and other people in similar situations went through is horrifying. Whenever I feel sick, I think about what it must be like to have to be one of them. Having to survive through a such a journey or a war, WHILE SICK, is one of the worst things I can imagine.
Greetings from Brazil. Just watched a documentary on Franklin and Amundsen.
My 5th great grandfather was on this expedition and wrote his wife when they arrived in the arctic. By the way they found it wasn't lead poisoning that killed the first two. Scientists found that higher levels of lead are found after the body dies, all the lead already in the body of the person (common at the time) goes into the hair and nails (still growing at after death for some time) making it appear that there was increased levels of lead at the time of death. They found the real reason but I can't remember what it was.
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Ha ha ha Oh thats funny.
Your hair and nails are composed of the protein Keratin, the same substance as baleen in whales. In order for your body to continue producing it, the molecular machinery of protein translation would still have to be active. This ceases to happen after death. What happens is your skin dehydrates after death and recedes (shrinks), giving the illusion that your nails have indeed grown.
Amazing thanks for sharing
@@jonathanbarnes3061 thank you, I was having trouble coming up with any comment ahhh that didn't go ahhhh every other word, ahhh but I failed, ahh miserably. I hope one of this guys Mgr or ahhh bookkeepers, ahh, FRIENDS, will do an intense weekend with him, after they have ahh gotten some assistance from a speech therapist to ahhh, assist in breaking the ahhhh, habit or consider a way to deliver his info ahh, without all the ahhs in his ahhh, regular speech, and then in presentation nfo he's trying to ahhh the ahhh habit with silence and a smile, or some visuals to put up, to ahhh, give him an out while he's ahhh, trying to ahhh, retrain himself in his public speaking with at first, writing out your info and practice a paragraph changing the unneeded extra ahhhs with silence, at first. It will greatly slow down your speech until you get used to ahhh just not ahhhhh making any noise out loud, ahhhh just to fill space with ahhh, nonsense noise or look for another speaker cuz the um ahh unneeded, is obviously habit for him to say ahh or umm between words or sentences or even ahhh between ahh every other ahh word.. Um, ahh I think I have to ahhh go find a podcast where I can ahhh listen and um, retain the info, rather than umm feeling the possibly OCD need to count how many times you use and aw and um in each sentence, every sentence ... I find he really takes away from his ahhh report , when aww he has to ahhh out loud very often at the end of a sentence aww when he's gathering aww his next thought. PLEASE retrain yourself to present a paper, report or whatever, with silence at every place you would find yourself to use aww to fill quiet moment before or after a sentence when your thinking of the next bit to add, retrain yourself to speak to everyone with silence when you catch yourself almost using ummm or ahh automatically while you're thinking of your next comment.. less talk speach while your really trying to think of the next good thing to say. So um, why did your man who was doing the introductions, start speaking using ahh and um right off the bat instead of ahhh a moment of stilence, or ahh, um, while he's thinking of what or how the little bit he had to add,, ahhwants to repeat his favorite word, loosely, n
14:30 . That's where he's getting ready to start
More like 19:35
I don't get all the complaints about this being boring and chastising the academics who worked so hard . Yes, the intro was long but the rest was fascinating. It's this kind of attention to detail that makes these sort of discoveries even possible. Maybe the people complaining have been watching Deadliest Catch to much, a show I also love btw but this sort of research needs "boring people" like this
100% agreed.
Yep.
Its kinda boring. See mr ballen. No offense. Its just kinda boring.
Face it. It is boring
It’s cool.
This was very hard to watch, long and tedious. One of the better, short, documentaries I have seen about the Franklin Expedition was called 'Buried in Ice', made in 1988. Well worth watching.
@Jeremy Fisher eee l
Oh thank you!
Fascinating. As someone who didn’t get much schooling to have this adventure these men set out on explained expands my knowledge. I love watching these RUclips posts I have learned so much over the years. Thank you Tommy in Peckham London.
0:57:00 first piece of ship...
1:00:35 wreck...
1:03:17 ...
1:08:00 ...
Thank you !’
This is excellent for insomnia and needing to fall asleep. I highly recommend for that purpose
It does good for falling asleep for normal folks but True insomniacs get no relief from a video
Thats why I'm here, I'm willing to try anything at this point.
Last night I tried falling asleep to a video that was one hour and five minutes long of a guy who cuts overgrown and neglected lawns of abandoned houses.... sad to say that I watched the entire video, and then, oddly, I watched another one.
Zzzzzzzzzz-snore-zzzzzzzzzzz
I have to agree! It put me right out.😂🤣😅 I dont remember any of it!
On a positive note, this can possibly cure insomnia.
Agreed iwas asleep in 15 seconds.
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Pipi... r you from Australia?
@@nicholeparrish5253 No.
I fell asleep to it! Cured my insomnia.
How to turn such an exciting discovery into something as dull as dish water. Give it to the academics!
It was a bit grown-up.
extra dull
Absolutely. Like having teeth pulled. Way to go Canada, turning a classic unfortunate event into a snoozefest.
Well, there's always the History Channel, with plenty of swishes and swooshes to keep you happy.
DULL AS DISHWATER AND AS MUCH FUN AS WATCHING PAINT DRY.
If Caribou and Muskox will let you walk up to them how in the hell did the Franklin expedition starve to death
Froze to death…. One was suicide… walked away into the whiteness refusing to burden the other two, but they also died in spite of his personal sacrifice. Brave men are a rarity these days. A world full of weak cowards. GOD hates a Coward more than anything!!!
@UChkZ4tEjD2I6GGEykpBcxFQ God doesn't exist. You're just pretending that your feelings are sacrosanct. God doesn't hate anything. You do.
@@mikiesnaxx4604 and you turned this topic religious.
@@MarshallTheArtist Psalm 14:1.
Well I'm not religious, and I despise a coward.
The Ships already been found, such incredible Story. Hi everyone from Mexico!!!!
Y'all can drop in at 65:00 if you're here to see the (brief) airing of TWO underwater stills of the shipwreck. Apparently they shot no video footage, at least none that they wished to share with us anyway.
Unless you've got some rambunctious 3 and 5 year olds who are restless and are up way past their bedtimes. In that case then I'd greatly encourage you to start this lecture at it's beginning.
17 minutes.
That's the longest that either one of them has been able to fight off the embrace Soma.
Personally, if I find myself having trouble falling asleep what I do is cue it up to about 45:00 when their second "PhD Droneologist" briefly storms the stage and somehow manages to out-stultify the monumental monotonous monotony of the first "PhD Droneologist".
....and they said that it couldn't be done!
;-)
😂 😴😴😴
I learned more about how to get close to a Caribou than I did about the damn shipwreck. It was like watching some weird uncles sideshow from his Government sponsored Arctic vacation or something. I now know less about the find than before watching this. A shame really.
Finally the fair account of discovery of Erebus. There were many versions since 2014 including Russians among Canadian Geographic Society. Since I pilot sailors through NWP I get many reports that media don't and I get some time very intricate details of navigation and its history from the boats sailing nearby. Many years ago my close friends were very close on top of Erebus in 1987 just prior to entering Simpson Str. in very difficult ice conditions. The Island as the authors know was not O'Riley Is. Nevertheless Martin Bergman was the boat that found it !!!. They got stuck on shoal during Low Tide calling on recovery while not knowing of nearby reference tide station being at Gladman Point, kind of not so near. They recovered and made it !!!
Mr. Marc-Andrea Barnier of Martin Bergman should be commanded.
+Victor Wejer How can you call it fair. They left out all mention of the cats' contribution to the discovery!!!!!
Qvic Q Interesting!!
If something is exciting, you don't need to spend half an hour explaining that it's exciting and you are going to prove it.
Said no factual programming exec ever
I on the other hand wonder why the 3 of you took the time to post negativity.
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I listened to this, once before: fell asleep from boredom, both times.
(The 'tone' of it all seems/seemed self-congratulatory...)
All academics sound this way, like they think their smart lol arrogance..😂
19:00 to skip to some actual interesting video
Thank you. Wading through the politized "science" to get to the facts was getting exhausting.
Thanks. How could they make something so interesting so boring
Please try not to be negative. These people have done a great job putting all this together, getting the word out etc. there providing a little background as they go.
PRESENTATION - This has been criticised in the comments - but I think unfairly. This is a video of a series of lectures and presentations to a specialist audience. I have been to several very similar ones to do with my branch of history. This is what they look like - in fact this one is quite short. It isn't primarily a RUclips video but a video of a scientific event for the scientific and historical community.
I have a feeling most of the comments are from the USA. A country consisting of a large population of uneducated and anti-science people.
They need explosion effects from Michael Bay and cartoons to understand this. Aliens would also help.
@@googlesucks6029 Stow the smug. It's a matter of proportion. We have a big population of which about 25% are uneducated and anti-science. They're the trumpy people and they get all the attention and publicity because they're crazy and dangerous. It's kind of like how people fear sharks even in places where shark attacks are rare. I'm guessing, in fact I know, that other countries have just as many ignoramuses, per capita, as we do but nobody really cares so they aren't talked about as much.
The really stupid, short attention span people aren't the ones complaining anyway. They're busy watching 4 minute kitten vids and never even heard of the Franklin expedition.
I couldn't make it through. I have been absolutely fascinated with this history but these guys made something that should have been unbelievably exciting, painfully dull. Great job finding the ship but get some professional help in telling the story.
I agree 100% with your comment. 20 minutes of self congratulation and mutual back slapping before the story even starts, and when it does, every 5th word is errr. I only lasted until minute 27.
Factual presentations are intended to be informative, if your intellect can’t cope, I suggest you direct your interest to Hollywood. Their productions are aimed at people with a taste for fantasy and entertainment, It has often observed that intellectual comprehension of 10-12 year olds.
@@richarddyasonihcYou’re really not as intelligent as you’d like to believe. Making what you’re talking about engaging is a vital part of public speaking, regardless of the subject matter.
Fascinating display of co-operative grandstanding. This is excellent to display the relationship between funding entities, and their ranking among themselves.
Congratulations to you all, fabulous news, I look forward to hearing your updates
Reading the comments I see so many others of the same sentiment. This was soooo painful to watch, with the first 40 minutes telling us all the organisations who were involved. We used to put this up on a banner, or in the credits at the end, rather than having to sit through it and be told.
The core of the findings, the story, is about 20 minutes long, what I came to see, and then there is god knows how long discussing patronising questions about why we should bother.
I decided, like I guess so many who clicked through voluntarily on RUclips, because we already are interested in this history and the excitement of finding a wreck and hearing the story, that which was given the least amount of time..
Iconic a long drawn out comment complaint about a long drawn out speech..lmfao😂
This is absolutely fascinating stuff! I can't wait until this Summer when we can learn even more about the Erebus (and hopefully the Terror if and when it's found).
Both ships have been found. In 2014 and 2016 both ships were found just off king william island.
@@matthewmorrone883 Gee, they didn't make it far till the icicle became them.
@@jonathanbarnes3061 the tins of food leeched lead into the food. Also was not cooked properly. The entire adventure was doomed from the start.
Wish they would get to the point here, drags on so long, but interested in this whole expedition story ever since I watched The Terror on TV which is class, and just bought Michael Palins book, can't wait for that too.
Yep Michael palins book is better than this
@@geoffmitchell6515 I agree, Palin's book is very good and holds the interest. This video is pretty dull.
I've been watching the tv series called "the terror" which is speculative history, history dramatized obviously for entertainment, but the historic details on the ship turned out so well. They clearly used data from the expeditions to find the lost expeditions. To me, history has to be as much about archaeology as it is about books. History doesn't deserve to be a lone discipline, bc we need the physical to affirm the written. That is my approach, going across disciplines for "truth."
It's an amazing series, loved season 1
Great point
Oh yes I watched that. Very interesting show.
Your expedition has come to King William Island, do you sail to the right or to the left around the island?
Choose Right. Turn to outcome #1.
Choose Left. Turn to outcome #2.
Outcome #1: You sail to the right of the island. Further south your ships are trapped in the ice and you all die.
Outcome #2: You sail to the left, you make it around the island when your ships are trapped in the ice. You Die. However some crew members make it 60 miles to the Back River where they catch fish, hunt caribou, and some of them survive.
It would make this even more fascinating to know more about the previous expedition that Franklin had been guided over land to the Arctic coast. Lead by the local Indians and Europeans before Franklin went back to England.
and maybe spoken with more zeal? have a red bull before and a spring in the step and a breeze in the heart!
Read “ The Man Who Ate His Boots”
This is a fascinating exploration. What an experience all those scientists must have had! 🌟✨⭐️
I've always been fascinated with this story.... he's a great speaker and he's also handsome!
Thanks for the upload! Great men! Heros!
PoV - You fall asleep watching RUclips videos and wake up eight hours later.
Please create a shorter version with just the video of its discovery and other artifacts that were found
I'm a bit baffled how is this a part of Canadian identity when its 2 British boats crewed by British sailors on a British expedition for the British Royal Navy Admiralty that was bankrolled by the British Government.
happen in canada, just because it was a colony back then changes nothing.
Also even though it was a British expedition, it would have brought Canada in as an important territory adjacent to an important new trade route. Perhaps equal to the Panama Canal.
Canada was British and it's still part of the British commonwealth. This occurred IN Canada.
Because Canada has always been an insignificant country with no identity
Its like with the two headed goat: it might was born in shelbyville but it did come to springfield to die.
I was just looking at your ground penetrating radar pic of the ship, it has kept me busy. So cool. Thanks
Wow! Incredible! What an amazing and thrilling part of the past that is still on going and unfinished .
Who needs sleep medicine when you have this
And lazy masquerades voice 💗
lol
Like watching Paint Dry...?
Hahaha
Well Now Honeysuckle Its Their "Story"
Let'em tell it the way 'they' ONLY KNOW HOW!!
And Besides "they" can't Reveal ANY of the TRUTH of What Was Really Collected/Recovered and DISCOVERED!!
@@debraperkins4448 lay off the caps lock
When does the Canadian government gibberish end and the content begin?! I’ve been watching for like 12 minutes and nothing is happening. Is this what’s become of Canada?!
15 minutes and the rest after that is really trying to make a pig ear look like a silk purse.
Not for another 2 hours... In fact it never gets going. I've never waited so long for nothing to happen.
Merry lll
Thanks for the heads up, I'm outta here, I scanned thru this Channels videos, they're basically the illuminati lol
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....but what happened to the "Terror"? I read somewhere, that it had been observed drifting by some whalers. Is there anything about that anywhere?
It was spotted years later by Inuit hunters @ 150 miles from where it was abandoned off King Williams Island.
no... it sank too... about where the inuit said... It has been found also....
Isn't this year make 170 years ago that the Franklin Expedition set out for the Northwest Passage? Oh by the way, even though none of my questions were answered, I immensely enjoyed my First live lecture.
Very interesting. Should there not be some UK involvement in respect of the presumably British Human Remains?
Why?? they didn't seem to give 2shits about them missing in action when it took place I think the Brits knew it was a doomed adventure from the start anyways but if anything actually went well as planned im sure they would have been the 1st to bask in the findings and discovery ,however investing this late into the story searching for broken up ships and the doomed crew who ate each other seems unlikely due to embarrassment
Its not The Edsmond Fitzgerald. There is no one alive who knew any of the men who where on Franklin's Expedition in 1845.
I would trust the Canadian gov't to deal with the remains sensitively.
If individual families are requesting that remains are returned then that is an issue for the two governments to reach a joint agreement on.
@@nmac3718 They British did one of the biggest searches around the time for find survivers, the just didn't search the right area to find them.
@@nmac3718 the British government sent many expeditions to find the ships. The ships have since been gifted to the Canadian government by the uk government. The uk retains rights to certain relics, any gold, and any remains which are recovered.
unlike the Titanic, I believe this and sister ship(when found) should be raised and intensive investigation done on both. I also believe Franklin's body should be found along with any crew members and autopsied. the days of honouring those lost at Sea by leaving remains at the bottom is ludicrous in today's need for answers. it's so ironic that the elusive passage is now open due to disgraceful misuse of our resources. one other very important point is that other Countries may and will probably tear this ship apart to show pieces in their Museums and if not done properly turn this wreck into garbage as so many do just to collect parts of History!
Was the Franklin Expedition in ANY way successful?
Did they find out what caused the premature ending of their Mission
Were any human remains found on board & were they ‘laid to rest’ or left with the ship?
Was Franklin’s body/grave discovered?
Alot of bodies have been found, but none with the ships afaik, they walked overland to try to escape, they’ve found skeletal remains at old campsites. The mission wasnt ended premature, the real issue was neverending. They didnt have enough fuel, food and supplies to be stuck in the pack ice for 2+ years, which they were. In addition to that there was the possibility of lead poisoning from the tinned food, and of scurvy which would not have helped the situation of being stuck in a frozen sea for years.
@@SuperAwesomeCloudMan I guess preparedness is everything
Well, were they able to find or chart some sort of a passage through or were able to claim territorial rights or something that enabled the passage that everyone was looking for for a trade route, in the end?
I mean, did they in anyway, in death, be helpful to their country or was it a complete failure from start to finish?
Thanks for your time!
@Alfred Weber Well that’s something, at least… Thanks
Its a Lecture Presentation, not a documentary or entertainment film. All those complaining it is boring should watch the latter, or for those with a real short attention span, stick to cartoons. I guess the purpose of these lectures is one way to publicise their work, and with some many organisations involved , they want to demonstrate the levels of co-operation it took and pat themselves on the back - which granted is boring.
However, academics often rely on this format to gain publicity, in the hope this will bring new investment and interest in their current endeavour, or future projects, they would like to undertake.
I hope RUclips has some sort of master archive for some of these videos.
9:30 oh for Fucks Sake
Getting ON WITH IT eYeEEaeDi!
the introduction was very good
This lecture is a mystery unto itself
Do you like hamhocks in your collard greens??🤔
These lectures are so dull and boring. Some people can talk an hour without telling you anything you don't already know.
Dave, I've been asking this question for over a year. I was one of 100,000 airline employees laid off and I'm at home BEING PAID b/c the Congress foolishly gave the big airlines $45 BILLION dollars.YES, YOU HEARD ME RIGHT. I'm getting my full salary and they have not called me back to help with all the problems at the airports....
OUR BORDERS SHOULD BE CLOSED. .PERIOD! Canada is. The UK is....there is way more going on with COVID than what we are being told.
If they would of had Eskimo’s with them they would have survived
They prefer to be called Inuit not Eskimos
Fascinating
This is an impressively boring series of presentations about a fascinating historical event
Ain't it! I'd hoped to learn something here, instead it was like looking at some guy and his mates holiday pictures, is there nowhere I can find out what they've found out? Listening to this I get the impression this is in the wrong hands. Disappointing.
Lmao.
🙏🏻 ..just saved 100+ mins of ones' life 👌🏻
@@eruditefool4183 "They" will Never Reveal All "They" Discovered, and What a Waiste of TIME!!
That's professionals for you😅
Very interesting to watch and well done to all the teams that were involved in this. I just have one query though that hasn't been touched on or maybe avoided? These were British ships that still belong to the Royal Navy and the sailors were all Brits. Isn't this also part of Britain's history not just Canada? Also, who do the human remains belong to is another question? If they were DNA'd would their descendants not be entitled to repatriate them to Britain for a proper burial. The repeated statement that this is part of Canadian identity doesn't really ring true, does it? Yes, it happened in what is now Canadian waters but it's a British story really.
It is Canadian history, but you must remember, Canada belongs to England. Just as Australia and hundreds of other smaller countries do.
I'm a descendant of one of the sailors. My 5th great grandfather
My lord if Marc said "ummmm" or "uuuuhhh" one more time......
Exactly!
Gosh that was too cerebral, wanted more raw footage.
If this guy says “Uh or Um” one more time I may be put in a mental hospital.
Hahaha! You sound utterly frazzled! Sounds like the kind of thing I might say! Well I have put this on to fall asleep to as it looks really boring!
It's 3.20am, I am far too awake for no good reason and I have to get up early, not good, this might do the trick. 🤞
And just to add I quickly looked up about the Franklin voyage and I mean no disrespect, I didn't realise the tragic nature of it.
Boring and torturous, never before have the 2 been brought together so well into a mess of inexperienced lecturers.
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Retards with short attention spans always say the same thing.
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I lasted watching for about a minute......got,talk about a wind bag!
Skip the 1st hour
+sin nombre Skip the whole lot i say!
What did I get from this lecture? "It was a partnership"... ok then.
Excellent sleep series
After 5mins although always obsessed with polar exploration I must go out and maybe some time.
why did 3 man died of lead poisoning and tb but others made it at least year later when franklin and few others died. 2 years later they wrote last note abondening the 2 ships. Stil eating the cans who had lead sealed food in it. so why did majority did not die from lead p.
and why did they split up and 2 ships found 60 miles apart and south of the island where they first abandonded the ships. a few must have sailed 2 ships south. left the terror on the island where the rest all walked and died. en the other ship ereubus sailed further south and sinked by another small island..
and why where 4 man seen in 1861. 6 years after first sailing out. thats so long ...
so please tell me what u know and think? i dont believe the 2 or 1 ship was there by the ice. then why was the terror so well preserved and looked locked down.. like they sealed it off and went further on 1 ship prob. cause there were to less man left to sail 2 ships.
and why if they loved franklin so much and buried the first 3. why is there no tombstone for him and the other some 19? man who had died by then.. and there was still food so no canabilism yet.
why is there no second burie side.
the rescue missions where there in the 15 years after the first sailing.. so cant be that it was gone already.. they find the note too... so the burie side must be near??
help
Well after all this year's the history can be misunderstanding, even all the information that the officers in charge in that time can not be 100% accurate!!!!
Interesting.
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When the men left the ships, it was a mission for survival. The Men were exhausted and tired. Putting their provisions in the boats and dragging the boats on sledges along the west side of King William Island. They were trying to make it to the Back River. The Men were weak and starving.
Knowing as we do what prolific writers and communicators the Victorians were, I am constantly amazed that hardly anything in the way of the written word has been found to throw light on this. They had ample opportunity to leave messages, and yet only one or two scraps have been found. Why?
The messages found in the cairns (piles of stones meant to protect something underneath) were few; many academics theorize that this is bc those messages, written on paper, would have been stored in special cylindrical canisters that were designed for explorers to write messages and leave them in outdoor locations for others to find. The Royal Navy even had special sheets of paper for such purpose, which at the bottom of the space given to write often had printed, in several known languages, that whatever message was written on the paper and found instructed the finder to forward it to whatever was the nearest postal location, which could move the message along established routes where it would eventually reach Great Britain's navy/ military postal quarters and dealt with. However, these cylinders were made of copper and other metals. It is theorized that the Inuit may have found some of these stone cairns and dug them out to see what had been put there. Both the metal cylinders and the paper within would have been considered extremely valuable and scarce materials in that region of the world. Not necessarily having any knowledge of English or the other languages the Navy used at the bottom of such "fill in" missives, they may have not understood such cylinders original purpose and taken the materials away for their own use and the messages no longer exist.
wonder why shell pitched in eh !
Fascinating but I am missing much because of the poor sound quality.
Outdated now, but this lecture was just as boring as watching paint dry. What bothers me is Canada wants to make sure they are owner to this wreck and it’s crew and they’re trying so hard to act as though these were their own countrymen. It’s nothing but stolen valor and modern day piracy if you ask me. 153 years later these sailors no doubt have family in the proper owners the U.K. Who deserve to know what happened and should have allowed the British Government to be the ones to excavate and investigate the fate and outcome of this mission. Canada has very little history of its own and it is trying to claim all this credit for themselves when it boils down to being nothing more than greed and stolen valor and credit. This is a Proud British voyage and should have been given back to allow the British to research and follow up on a sad story for a brave crew of men trying to forge a new world.
Alter Egos It’s a story from our history (British history that is). Canada are merely the keepers of the wrecks now, thanks to our permission. They’ve unfortunately learned the hard way that you can’t just lay claim to Royal Navy ships, wrecks or no.
Well said !
The British were unable to forge this new land and ended up crushed by the ice, literally. They sent many folks to try and find the ships but all failed. Kudos to Parks Canada etc.
Parks Canada found the wrecks. Hudson's Bay Company men went up the overland trying to find the ships (including my 4th great grandfather). Canada was Rupertsland back then and just as British as anywhere else in the Empire. The oral history on the Inuit was passed on from generation to generation through and past Conderation. The British government gave Canada conservation rights over the wrecks after the Parks Canada (funded by Canadian taxpayers found the wrecks --- when did the UK last fund a search for the fate of their lost ships and sailors?) Stolen valor? Nuts.
Also Her Majesty's Royal Navy and Her Majesty's Canadian Royal Navy are both navies belonging to the same sovereign. Not sure how one could steal the valor of the other. Besides the wrecks are in Canadian waters. Stolen valor. Hilarious. It is a shared piece of history between Canada and the UK from a time when we were all one big happy Empire. If Hitler invaded the UK successfully, the plans were to evacuate Churchill and his cabinet, the Royal Family and the Crown Jewels to...wait for it...CANADA! Evacuation -- not a heist! If that happened would you now be typing that Canada stole the valour of the UK?
Its Cambridge bay in the song Edmond Fitzgerald??? Or I'm i wrong?
Yes, 2 British ships, historical British ships, most advanced British ships, on Britain mission, British expedition with British Royal Navy & British Royal Marines, sailing from Britain in 1845 over 170 years ago is Canadian history, I don't get punchline is there a part 2 lol
Is that Malcolm McDowell narrating at the introduction?
Interesting! The Donnor party in 1846 met the same fate...same heavy winter!and cannibalism
Rascal90 Thank you for pointing that out. Ad with this incredible story am equally fascinated with The Donner Party story. The same year/time!!!
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Rascal90 Well the INUIT NEVER ate thier own. NEVER! And I'm CERTAIN that they had some very hard trying times in thier history of living throughout the artic. Even in places MORE extreme. Just saying.
@@samuelparker9882 No one mentioned anything about the Inuit. And how can you be so certain? Perhaps there could've been a few incidents that we'll never know about.
They were accustomed to life in the Artic, these Brits were not.
The animation was excellent.
Thank you...
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22:50 these 2 rectangles are pretty far from terror bay ;)
Fabulous story and congratulations to all involved. The story also has a Southern Hemisphere connection as Sir JF was the second Governor of Tasmania. Now to my question: I notice that part of the bow is missing on the Erebus. Is there any conjecture as to why this might be?
(PS: I've had four winters and six summers in Antarctica. The histories of both ends of the Earth are united in so many ways.)
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I wondered if it was glacier damaged? When I first saw the photos the wood of the bow reminded me of how bodies and body parts come out of glaciers crushed, twisted and ripped apart.
Yeah, possibly, although I think large glaciers and bergs in that area might be rare, as the islands are quite low and the water is relatively shallow. It might have been a collision with an ice raft, which can travel quite fast over a layer of seaice. I wonder if that might have had anything to do with immobilising the ship.
Why does this video have a good many views, but hardly any comments or likes?
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Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view!"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
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Spot on
brilliant lecture thank you for publication. greetings from YORKSHIRE.
I agree with Lorie Pax below, too much repeating of "Excitement/exciting" as well as the continual mentioning of partnerships and their badges. A photo shot of all the artefacts found would have been great! Nonetheless, finding the ship helps to further the story and lessen the mystery and conjecture. As an Englishman, the story fascinates me, particularly as the journey and subsequent rescue searches took place during a pretty busy time in the history of Europe as well as America,(See Wars 1800 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_1800%E2%80%931899). We mustn't forget Eleanor Isabella Franklin who spent the last years of her life immortalising her husband's memory. She must have been horrified at John Rae's conclusion that survivors resorted to cannibalism. No doubt about the awful conditions the crews must have experienced before their end.
I wonder why the Franklin survivors did not meet up with the Eskimos for salvation as they were often seen by them ?.
I believe the reasoning behind the local peoples didn't help them is because there was simple too many of them to feed
Wow, still pandering to the pathetic sensitivities of the English elitists by willfully omitting the name of John Rae. The answer to the Innuit account begins with Rae's meeting those Innuit who relayed contemporary eye-witness accounts. All else followed and confirmed Rae's evidence.
Indeed! I'm orcadian particularly appreciate your knowledge on the man who took help and direction from the locals, unlike this oaf and his comrades who thought themselves too superior to listen to those who knew the land.
No one cares
Is square kilometres the same as kilometres squared?
Read the Michael Palin book “Erebus”, that makes it all come alive!
I wish it wasn’t just them bragging about what they did and more about the history of what happened.
Seemed way more interested in their own actions.
The northwest passage is now open.
I believe that there is no way to make this presentation more boring....
The little intro with the stop motion animation was ok.
So far it’s been one long commercial for all the companies involved.
Do they have dogs in the expedition ???
Just one. Believed to have come with them on the march. At least for some time.
Well done, for Gabriel's question. But I was interested to hear on other videos, how much more of the Inuit accounts and advice was first dismissed by the Royal Navy; and that originally, they were just dismissed as savages.
This showed the Navy's ignorance, considering the Inuit have lived and thrived there for many thousands of years.
I hope those concerned in this project really DO involve the Inuit more, and in the search for Terror.
Perhaps the whole story would have been radically different, had the Inuits been listened to and involved from the start of Franklin's expedition. I mean- trying to cross the ice greatly weakened/dying, whilst pulling brass curtain rods, piles of prayer/hymnbooks etc.
The Royal Navy didn't dismiss it, they wanted to hide the cannibalism aspect because they wanted their sailors to appear more disciplined
@@5556665012008 Of course they dismissed /ignored the Inuit. The whole exhibition fell to bits after Franklin's death. Amundsen . studied the Inuit culture etc and was better for it.
They didn't dismiss the Inuit or regard them as savages. If anything they were fascinated by them. The first thing Franklin's men did on meeting them in Greenland was to begin interviewing them to find out about their culture and compile a dictionary of native words. They examined their canoes and even attempted to learn their use (Fitzjames fell out of his). The sleds they built on their retreat across the ice are based directly on Inuit ones, but greatly scaled up.
Jesus, the Admiralty's official orders for Franklin explicitly tell him to "treat any Eskimo and Indians as friends and give them presents"!
The Mad Trapper of Rat River is a good Canadian documentary too.
COMPLETY OFF TRACK
Well, I WAS interested but 35 minutes in, all of the information given by that point could've been told in 5 minutes & so far everyone one of these dudes are well beyond what I would call boring. I have to stop. I was wide awake when it started but now I can hardly keep my eyes open. Listening to these dudes is equivalent to taking sedatives. Strong sedatives.
Then they have achieved their goal......boring people to death and calling it educating
I have to laugh as I literally fell asleep about 10 minutes in, then woke at about 1:10:00 and stopped at 1:18:00!! I was also wondering about all the millions of dollars and time spent trying to find the missing crew when it was so obvious what happened, and so many years ago. I was intrigued years ago when they found the graves and studied the remains etc. It is a great tragedy, but if the crew members could somehow know what has transpired... they'd be flabbergasted over it all.
Yes most university and professional scholars are mostly interested in sounding erudite and obtaining there tenure at whatever institution they are from, they are very careful not to rock boat by coming forth with any news or discoveries that would rock the status quo of offic8al historical record, or any that would seriously open up questions as to the scientific opinions of human origin on earth etc.
@@davidmcallister1280Lol
Oh yeah, this guy is so slow in speaking, it's easy to be doing something else while listening.