How to get along with the sound guy (or girl) at your church // Worship Leader Wednesday
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2018
- In this video we're responding to a great question about how to nurture positive relationships between the sound engineer and worship team at a church. It's all about relationships.
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Really great information. One thing that should be pointed out - we are all here for the purpose of worshipping God. We need to work together to bring him our best praise. It's also important to understand why we worship. One reason is God inhabits the praises of his people Psalm 23:3. We need to strive for excellence, but if we are not truly worshiping God, it doesn't matter how good we are ; we are just a performance at this point.
A common issue is musicians on stage trying to direct the house mix without considering that they are standing on the wrong side of the speakers. For example, musicians on the stage, standing _behind_ the main speakers and subs, are asking for more kick in the main mix while the audio technician can hear that the church windows are already shaking in their frames (literally). Trust the audio tech more-he hears what the audience hears.
I would agree. As a sound guy, I can understand, from a "functional" standpoint, that if they're not hearing a good mix then it's an additional hurdle for them. But I don't understand the input from a "form / personal taste" standpoint (especially if they're using IEM's). As long as they DO have a good mix, why are they directing the house mix?! In our case the house mix has ramifications for the broadcast mixes (streaming, lobby, class rooms, etc..) and they're really unaware how the requested changes will affect each mix.
This is a great video the only problem I had is the worship team only practicing 30 min before church starts. No practice before Sunday = bad mixing I ended up quitting because the worship leader would not listening it was his way or the highway.
Thanks guys! I really appreciate the input! Now I just need my worship leader to watch this so I can get my free lunch. lol
YES! Tell them you want steak.
Ruth's Chris! You deserve it!!!
Could you guys do a video on teaching sound? Maybe a basic knowledge of sound effects and everything? Because we are new church plant and we are getting a lot of volunteers but they don’t know how to do the intricacies.
Great conversation! I am the sound guy at our church and having a good relationship with the worship pastor is such a big key. The biggest takeaway from this is that I feel like I am another member of the band, and that is such a great byproduct of having a healthy relationship between not only myself and the worship leader, but the entire team on stage.
Thanks Chris!
Open communication is key. You can’t have an us vs them mentality. I went to a church like that and there was always tension between the musicians and the person doing sound. I’ve learned it’s best to get to know them on a personal level. It’s always easier to work together that way.
pfffft. easy, I get along great with the sound guy
I'm also the sound guy
Ha! My first piece of advice in this video was 'Take them out to lunch. And pay for it.'
I would guess that most people watching this channel are in your same boat. I know I am!
I mean technically there are other sound guys, but they aren't always there (thus is the nature of volunteer teams) So sometimes I end up having to run between stage and soundboard like 10 times during rehearsal
This is great information! I really needed this to send to my team so that everyone’s on the same page, thank you!
Great video, you guys do a great job encouraging others in musical worship and pursuing excellence in both what we play and in our relationships within worship ministry. Building good relationships is absolutely key, especially with your sound techs. Our lead sound tech happens to be my husband which is certainly a unique dynamic-we have lunch together often ;-) Someone else mentioned in a comment that the sound tech SHOULD have more creative input and I must say I agree. As a worship leader I am "sculpting" as you say how I want everything to be put together and played. The sound tech has the best position to be able to evaluate from the perspective of the congregation how that is coming across and how it can be fine tuned technically for it to be our best. I will say though, that not all sound techs will have creative input and that's okay too and can be encouraged as they grow in their craft. Cool that you mentioned going to concerts together, my husband and I have been trying to go to more shows and we're always remarking how we are not the typical fans, as we sit back and critique every piece of equipment on stage, sound quality, monitor setup... Speaking of monitors, we run Presonus boards, which have apps to control our monitor mixes. you mentioned yours not working for wedges, which I thought was odd. We are using a combination of wired IEMS and floor monitors and the app works for both-it's been great. Why wouldn't your app work for floor monitors as well?
As someone who is a musician, worship leader and sound person (just not all three at the same time) remembering that the person behind the board is a person too is important.
When I have my soundperson hat on, during setup I tell them what I need from them. I.e. play the piano the loudest part, now vocalist please sing, etc. to set my levels and eq. From there I start asking them what they need in their mix.
Once the team is happy with their mix, I can do the house.
It's our collective job to bring the congregation into God's presence. We're all one team.
As a sound person two minutes watching and I can say this video is on point 😎
I wish I get anyone at my church to listen to, and heed your advice on ANY of your videos! For me, this is mostly common sense. My usual reaction to your videos is "YES!!! THANK YOU!!!" Then I'll send the worship leader(s) a link and I NEVER hear anything from them about it. It would be chaos as usual…
Good discussion topic. Our engineer changes our inear mix but we request changes one person at a time in turn or each other durning rehearsals. I think it would drive our worship leader crazy if they had to be the only one to relay inear changes. I would also encourage the whole team to be in good relations with the sound guy. We talk constantly (usually before or after rehearsals) to express what kind of tones or how we as musicians are trying to have our gear sound but our engineer also is asking those questions too. Both ends work best to support each other the best that we can.
Yeayea Im the sound engineer ftw!
What app do you use to mix your IEMs with the Behringer X32 pls? The app we used to use no longer works with the the newer iOS updates as Behringer haven’t updated for so long. Thanks.
Hi! Do you have someone in charge of the worship team? Like a Team Head aside from the Worship leader, or should the Worship leader be the one in charge of the entire team?
I used to get frustrated with our sound people, until I sat down at the desk. I now know why flying the Star ship Enterprise requires a team of people. :-)
I play electric guitar at our church and we do livestream and I want to listen to my guitar playing after but I coudn't hear anything because the acoustic is more dominant in the mix and it sound more like a acoustic song than a full band... that's why It's hard to trust the guy in the booth because of the way they mix in livestream...
Our WL drove the previous sound guy out. To be replaced with his granddaughter's boyfriend, (who knows NOTHING about running sound). Now I run the sound while I'm playing bass. Our WL is DEAF, and as a result the sound starts out Too Loud. From there it becomes "Amp Wars"! We are a very small church, (becoming smaller because of the Volume issue). But our WL treats it like it's going to be seen on The Voice with him and his granddaughter in Starring roles. I know there's no answer, I'm just frustrated.
what can I do with some band members who do not want to use ear monitors, they want to continue using floor monitors, and our church is small
@topo logic LOL
So let them. Just ensure that the overall stage volume is still low and doesn’t go above a set threshold and ring out the monitors prior to or during sound check. All will be A-ok.
How about when Pastors want to put their input into the sound?
Roy Rodriguez at the end of the day, if our Pastor makes a suggestion, we usually do it:) he’s the ultimate authority under Jesus. But fortunately most Pastors allow the skilled folks to do their jobs! 90% of the time, if your pastor is making suggestions, it’s probably because he simply wants it to sound better but doesn’t know exactly how to accomplish it. Sometimes it’s good to bring in a pro consultant to solve some of those issues!!
But a better question is how often and when should they give their input to the sound guy? Is the middle of a song during service the proper time? Or discuss the problem after the service? And how much is too much? I guess I just personally get frustrated because my mix is HOW I get to worship. Blending everyone on stage is my worship to God on Sundays. It's very difficult to do a great job when someone is sending you regular texts or calling over a walkie they can't hear this person, turn this up (especially if they sit just under and between the cones of two speakers aka dead spot).
For hillsong it's easy for us: the sound guys are actually musicians 😂
My worship is a jerk and also the guitarist., Do u know that worst part both of them are my uncles. I have been doing sound engineer for about 10+ years Not in the church i am currently in. I am 17 going on 18 years .I have been dealing with people that do not understand i have a problem with our Sound Board and our monitors and our front of house speakers and power amps and so on . I have a personal system that i put together that works amazing .. The worship leader told me just set and don't touch or do anything or else he will get a glue gun and glue down the knobs.. I think i about leaving the worship team .. Explain to me what should i do.. I love being a sound engineer. i am big Fan of Behringer products i can play a little of each interments in out church. I trying to explain to my worship leader . It is Because i am too young. The sound engineer that work side by side with me made me the Lead Sound Engineer and i think no one on the worship teams cares..
I been in the church i am currently in for about 5 years i started beening the sound engineer for the church last 2 years i think or might of been a little longer than that.
Just an advice as a media man of our church,not sound guy, but mostly approached by our sound guys. I always try to approach our senior pastor and talk about the problem. Then by that he might be able to hold a meeting the three of you and talk about it. Mostly lack of communication is the problem. And yes, they don't understand and it's hard for them to understand. Just give them a chance after the talk. Then if nothing changes, pray about leaving the ministry and told them to find other sound guy that has no problem dealing with them.
Thank u for Comment it means alot to me.. Thanks.Have a wonderful.
Zion Cage I agree, communication is key. Whatever the outcome, a willingness to be open to someone is the healthiest option.
thank u for your comment ..Have a wonderful day..
Consider that music, outside of church, is made with a producer. This isn't by mistake. You need someone who can have an objective, birds eye view of the full picture. The mixing engineer is making the soup, the band are the ingredients, and only the engineer actually gets to taste it. It depends a lot of the skill set of your engineer... but I find an engineer who can produce SHOULD have a lot of creative input. In many places I mix, I play a producer role, and I'm able to fix problems that the band members aren't even aware of. The mixing engineer is in the best position to determine many things about the music. "I'm not interested in creative feedback from the mixing engineer," is a cringey statement to me. I wouldn't be interested in mixing for a worship leader with that perspective. You talk about the worship leaders "musical expertise" and the sound guys "technical expertise," but a good sound engineer will have both.
Just agree on everything they suggest that is all
You mean agree with everything the sound person suggests? That might not be the best idea. We think it's best for the sound person and the worship leader to develop a strategy and a goal to shoot for, and then approach it in a very constructive way with the worship/production team.
Worship Tutorials that sounds so much better usually in my church the worship leader and sound guy just want us to agree on everything if not they tell us not to play at all
Sounds like great environment! - not.
Sound guys are SOOO sensitive 😭 “don’t talk to the sound guy unless it’s positive” screw that man! It should be about the music,. NOT our feelings
My pastor seats about 3 feet away from the main speaker and he constantly tells the sound personnel to lower the volume kkkkk unbelievable!