If Vital was out when I first started paying payments on Serum...i would have just stuck with Vital. Like the UI more, like the extra filter and oscillator. Love Serum...but I find myself using Vital most of the time.
I suppose if Vital had been out in 2014, few would have even bothered looking at Serum. Vital is 6 years younger, that's no small thing, also, Vital is clearly built making use of some good ideas behind Steve Duda's synth, both things are imho pretty self evident looking at the UI
@@trevor_mounts_music i rarely find a use for a third oscillator on a wavetable synth. The wavetables are plenty rich enough, plus there's unison. Also, the filters on vital are really nothing to write home about. Very boring implementation. No squelch. Having two is very handy, but I'd gladly trade them both in to get one that had better resonance and saturation. That said, I've never used Serum, so I have no idea if its many filters are any good.
@@JJWalters well... to be honest I don't remember too well myself :D but I could backtrack, if I could find the time to make videos with my time devouring dayjob... I'll try to keep that in mind for whenever some time becomes available. Thanks btw :)
Hi. I just discovered your channel and found it awesome. The intro is exactly kind of sound I'm looking for and couldn't design it for months. Please, please, make a totorial on it. I beg you! 😂
Thanks for those educated comments. What fantastic pieces of software for making sounds... Call me old as I mostly have been using Hybrid 3 for a lot of stuff (I know I know) and now moved to Vital which is crazy good, especially the mod mapping. Other synth having mod mapping is Avenger and Vital made me appreciate that feature which otherwise would have eluded me.
It's wonderfully clever and definitely helps me better understand the conceptual difference between the two synths. It would be too much to ask that you make a video explaining the corners of the sound that you synthesized at minute 14:30. Thank you in every way for your videos and I hope you make content with SERUM again, your knowledge is very vast.!
Oh well... that one is actually very complicated, that was the patch I used in that one synth performance I used in a video, I might have a video I never published explaining precisely that, but it's probably horrible.
@@platipo Thank you very much for answering. Definitely, the sound itself already gives information that it must be a complicated patch (I had never heard anything that evolved in that way over time, it's really amazing). If you can share the video, maybe we can learn something. Thank you very much for sharing your talent
I used serum a liittle time, i m sure i only explored maybe a quarter, but not much as the half of possibilitys. I liked it, but my generated sounds sound allways a little bit to strong, harsh, heavy ... I allways thought, it is great for any music but not for my favorite. The other one, vital, from time to time i make something with it, it felt allways a litttle bit cheap and simple. But last, i dived deeper in it and holy shit, i love it to explore the modulation possibilitys. I allways get sounds with psychoaccustic movement and a realy impressive stereo soundscapes. It match way better to me. I want say the same as in the video, there two synthesizer with hughe possibilities, but different focus. I also belive, most of the user only use 50% of the possibillitys (dosnt matter which one) and would be surprised if dive realy deep into
As I mentioned in another video, if I was on the market for an "old workhorse synth" with some money, but not so much money, today I'd put it into Zebra Legacy. Thanks for the comment :)
I started making music last year and I've played around with vital a lot. I recently tried serum mainly because its much easier to find presets (splice). Theres tones of awesome presets that I love but serum dosnt have the same sound that I like with vital. Everything I make in vital just sounds better. Maybe I'm somehow using serum wrong but I dont see how.
@@dieyproductions4403 if by wavetable you mean the stock instrument by ableton, I have, and I'm not impressed. Haven't tried vaporizer, by the description on their websitr, it seems quite a bombastic instrument, with plenty of features I crave for... So, thanks, will do :)
I've grown quite fond of Sytrus in FL Studio. I find it difficult to go back to using either Serum or Vital. Sometimes I have to though, as not everyone uses FL and Sytrus being a stock plugin is tied to that.
I wouldn't recommend any; Serum is a very powerful instrument, can do very complex things, but somehow it seems to be intended for quick and straightforward programming. Anyway I do have quite a bunch of nice Serum patches sitting there... That's definitely an idea :)
How do you get around the fact that vital filters can only have a slope of 12 dB and 24 dB per octave? (While Serum has a 6 dB, 12 dB, 18 dB and 24 dB per octave) Is this something that bothers you when designing sound? 🙂
Somehow yes, I do at times miss the immediacy of having a smooth 6db/octave filter or the compromise of an 18db/octave one, and even though I don't dislike the filters Vital offers, I agree the lack of variety there is one of the instrument's weak points, however, I'm used to work with instruments with features and limitations; between the wavetable editor, the spectral filter, or even careful use of the filter morph, you can get almost anything, Vital imho encourages you to approach synthesis with a less subtractive centric approach, more wavetable mangling, more audio rate modulation flavour... then yes, you have the filters, but they're not the point, imho for most patches, using Vital just to send a sawtooth through a filter, isn't programming it the way it is meant to.
Great video. Makes me want to get Serum 😅 I prefer a more modular interface for complex patches, which I guess is why i haven't gravitated towards Vital, tending to prefer Polymer --> Poly Grid
Ah... I missed this one, No idea why there's these religious comments at random on my videos, probably happens to other people too. No idea whether I agree or disagree, still Jesus could be a bit clearer about what I should repent of if he wants to be taken seriously imho And btw, I'm no merchant in the temple, therefore, if he's coming back I'm quite unlikely to be a target of his wrath.
Jesus is definitely not coming back. I understand that a lot of people believe he already rose from the dead once, but I find it hard to take that kind of thing seriously. Three days of decomposition doesn't just magically go away.
Ho scoperto solo oggi questo canale , sei fantastico!!! ma purtroppo vedo che é da un paio di anni che ti sei messo a fare i video in inglese..peccato perche italiani che spiegano accuratamente come te nn c'é né soprattutto con un suono del genere,mi accontenterò dei sottotitoli 😉 e grazie ancora del lavoro svolto !
Grazie a te dell'apprezzamento e dei complimenti, mi piaccia o no, fare video in inglese mi da un pubblico molto piú vasto, da quanto sono passato a farli in inglese il numero di visualizzazioni e di iscritti é schizzato alle stelle. Ultimamente faccio qualche video in Italiano per Sounders
If Vital was out when I first started paying payments on Serum...i would have just stuck with Vital. Like the UI more, like the extra filter and oscillator. Love Serum...but I find myself using Vital most of the time.
I suppose if Vital had been out in 2014, few would have even bothered looking at Serum. Vital is 6 years younger, that's no small thing, also, Vital is clearly built making use of some good ideas behind Steve Duda's synth, both things are imho pretty self evident looking at the UI
Jesus loves yall, died for us, and rose again! Jesus calls for all of us to repent! He's coming back
@@trevor_mounts_music i rarely find a use for a third oscillator on a wavetable synth. The wavetables are plenty rich enough, plus there's unison. Also, the filters on vital are really nothing to write home about. Very boring implementation. No squelch. Having two is very handy, but I'd gladly trade them both in to get one that had better resonance and saturation. That said, I've never used Serum, so I have no idea if its many filters are any good.
That intro slapped my head off!!! Blew me away. Thank you.
Thank you :) You're actually the first to notice
I agree! DAMN! Can we get a tutorial on how to do that?! :)
@@JJWaltersSLAPPED you too?! Hope it was easier to put your head back on than it was for me. Really taps into the soul. Truly amazing!
@@JJWalters well... to be honest I don't remember too well myself :D but I could backtrack, if I could find the time to make videos with my time devouring dayjob... I'll try to keep that in mind for whenever some time becomes available. Thanks btw :)
Hi. I just discovered your channel and found it awesome. The intro is exactly kind of sound I'm looking for and couldn't design it for months. Please, please, make a totorial on it. I beg you! 😂
Very useful and cool video. Thank you. 👏🏻🔥
@@KordTaylor thank you :)
Thanks for those educated comments.
What fantastic pieces of software for making sounds...
Call me old as I mostly have been using Hybrid 3 for a lot of stuff (I know I know) and now moved to Vital which is crazy good, especially the mod mapping.
Other synth having mod mapping is Avenger and Vital made me appreciate that feature which otherwise would have eluded me.
Avenger does it natively for every voice in the modmatrix? I didn'5 know, now I'm genuinely curious
It's wonderfully clever and definitely helps me better understand the conceptual difference between the two synths. It would be too much to ask that you make a video explaining the corners of the sound that you synthesized at minute 14:30. Thank you in every way for your videos and I hope you make content with SERUM again, your knowledge is very vast.!
Oh well... that one is actually very complicated, that was the patch I used in that one synth performance I used in a video, I might have a video I never published explaining precisely that, but it's probably horrible.
@@platipo Thank you very much for answering. Definitely, the sound itself already gives information that it must be a complicated patch (I had never heard anything that evolved in that way over time, it's really amazing). If you can share the video, maybe we can learn something. Thank you very much for sharing your talent
@@p.c513 found it :) ruclips.net/video/9lJcUyU1EZY/видео.htmlsi=Wk8VQ1szFTYraKEk
@@platipo Thank you!!
I used serum a liittle time, i m sure i only explored maybe a quarter, but not much as the half of possibilitys. I liked it, but my generated sounds sound allways a little bit to strong, harsh, heavy ... I allways thought, it is great for any music but not for my favorite. The other one, vital, from time to time i make something with it, it felt allways a litttle bit cheap and simple. But last, i dived deeper in it and holy shit, i love it to explore the modulation possibilitys. I allways get sounds with psychoaccustic movement and a realy impressive stereo soundscapes. It match way better to me. I want say the same as in the video, there two synthesizer with hughe possibilities, but different focus. I also belive, most of the user only use 50% of the possibillitys (dosnt matter which one) and would be surprised if dive realy deep into
Great intro man & informative comparison, came here because I'm debating whether to get Serum because of the price
As I mentioned in another video, if I was on the market for an "old workhorse synth" with some money, but not so much money, today I'd put it into Zebra Legacy. Thanks for the comment :)
@@highestpeeqs9532 what would Jesus ask me to repent about this video?
Have you tried Dune 3? Great synth and per osc voice editing etc. so you can have certain voices be an arp and certain voices a pad for example.
I have not, heard many good things a about it, but resources and time are what they are, sure sounds very interesting and vast.
@@platipoconcur. It’s an amazing and unique synth, while not being complex at all to learn (certainly for a synth vet).
I started making music last year and I've played around with vital a lot. I recently tried serum mainly because its much easier to find presets (splice). Theres tones of awesome presets that I love but serum dosnt have the same sound that I like with vital. Everything I make in vital just sounds better. Maybe I'm somehow using serum wrong but I dont see how.
Might want to check out Vaporizer2 and Wavetable, if you haven't before.
@@dieyproductions4403 if by wavetable you mean the stock instrument by ableton, I have, and I'm not impressed. Haven't tried vaporizer, by the description on their websitr, it seems quite a bombastic instrument, with plenty of features I crave for... So, thanks, will do :)
I've grown quite fond of Sytrus in FL Studio. I find it difficult to go back to using either Serum or Vital. Sometimes I have to though, as not everyone uses FL and Sytrus being a stock plugin is tied to that.
what serum packs do u recommend for complex ideas. maybe u can make one, id buy it
thanks for great comparison vid
I wouldn't recommend any; Serum is a very powerful instrument, can do very complex things, but somehow it seems to be intended for quick and straightforward programming. Anyway I do have quite a bunch of nice Serum patches sitting there... That's definitely an idea :)
How do you get around the fact that vital filters can only have a slope of 12 dB and 24 dB per octave? (While Serum has a 6 dB, 12 dB, 18 dB and 24 dB per octave)
Is this something that bothers you when designing sound? 🙂
Somehow yes, I do at times miss the immediacy of having a smooth 6db/octave filter or the compromise of an 18db/octave one, and even though I don't dislike the filters Vital offers, I agree the lack of variety there is one of the instrument's weak points, however, I'm used to work with instruments with features and limitations; between the wavetable editor, the spectral filter, or even careful use of the filter morph, you can get almost anything, Vital imho encourages you to approach synthesis with a less subtractive centric approach, more wavetable mangling, more audio rate modulation flavour... then yes, you have the filters, but they're not the point, imho for most patches, using Vital just to send a sawtooth through a filter, isn't programming it the way it is meant to.
U can make unlimited sounds with these synths still after 10 years later
I'm happy I own both.
Likewise ;)
you can have more than 4 LFOs with serum, not sure the limit though.
Just like with Vital, they're eight. I had covered these things in the older videos
Great video. Makes me want to get Serum 😅
I prefer a more modular interface for complex patches, which I guess is why i haven't gravitated towards Vital, tending to prefer Polymer --> Poly Grid
Jesus loves yall, died for us, and rose again! Jesus calls for all of us to repent! He's coming back
@@highestpeeqs9532 i disagree with all of that.
Ah... I missed this one, No idea why there's these religious comments at random on my videos, probably happens to other people too.
No idea whether I agree or disagree, still Jesus could be a bit clearer about what I should repent of if he wants to be taken seriously imho
And btw, I'm no merchant in the temple, therefore, if he's coming back I'm quite unlikely to be a target of his wrath.
Jesus is definitely not coming back. I understand that a lot of people believe he already rose from the dead once, but I find it hard to take that kind of thing seriously. Three days of decomposition doesn't just magically go away.
@@GeorgeLocke I guess the keyword here you wisely used is "magically"
which skin are you using in the video? Looks nice
It's one of those that came with the full version once 1.5 was out, can't remember the name right now
Ho scoperto solo oggi questo canale , sei fantastico!!! ma purtroppo vedo che é da un paio di anni che ti sei messo a fare i video in inglese..peccato perche italiani che spiegano accuratamente come te nn c'é né soprattutto con un suono del genere,mi accontenterò dei sottotitoli 😉 e grazie ancora del lavoro svolto !
Grazie a te dell'apprezzamento e dei complimenti, mi piaccia o no, fare video in inglese mi da un pubblico molto piú vasto, da quanto sono passato a farli in inglese il numero di visualizzazioni e di iscritti é schizzato alle stelle. Ultimamente faccio qualche video in Italiano per Sounders
@@platipo Infatti ti ho trovato perché cercavo video in inglese su surgeXT😅
E quindi da cosa avete capito che ero italiano? L'accento, i video precedenti o qualche commento?
Vital or Serum... The right answer is “Phase Plant”!
@@3.14ULSAR uhm... No.
It's a completely different instrument, I made a video about that too.
Liked and subbed for bigwig
Phase Plant
Really :D
Vital is better