One thing is, when choosing the PSU, make sure it's compatible with UPSs and PDUs. I want my router to be battery backed up, it came quite handy before. I might care about the aesthetics of the router, but not the PSU.
@@lukahrastovec5022 Depends on the UPS, the Eaton Ellipse PRO UPS series all have regular Schuko connections. One of those nearly caught fire in my house though so I wouldn't recommend them ;)
If it takes a USBC input, I don’t particularly care which adapter it comes with. If it is a barrel or anything else, something like the last option would be my preference. With regard to the closed source binary, I have no issue with it, provided the vendor can’t kill it remotely once the license expires.
Yeah I'm rapidly reaching the point where if the device pulls less power than a leaf-blower, I'm hoping for a USB-C port. I'm sick of all the random power bricks & wall warts.
I agree with the license bit. That's why the company I work for stopped using Sofos devices. I still have several units sitting in storage. Expensive paper weights....
I second the no power supply necessary. Might give the option. I think you can use the PD protocol to make sure the user power supply is good enough before booting, that would avoid instabilities.
I quite despise the tingle of leakage current for equipment using ungrounded switching supplies. If you won’t consider a good grounded supply, I think exclude it entirely and leave it to the buyer to acquire their own. Or at minimum, provide the option to purchase without.
When looking at ungrounded switching power supplies, keep in mind that the 'Y capacitor' that is usually needed for filtering means the 'ground' on the DC side is weakly pulled to around half of the mains voltage. This can sometimes be felt as a small shocks when touching devices connected to such a PSU, but you especially need to ensure your design can handle this from an ESD point of view, since in 240V RMS countries, this can be up to 170V that will be discharged (possibly regularly) once your device comes into contact with something that is actually grounded. Also, if you have no real ground reference, you cannot ground the shields of the BaseT-Ports. If they are grounded on the other side, that's fine, but if CAT-cable's shields are ungrounded on both sides, the shielding inside the cable will become like an antenna for interference, often resulting in even worse signals than without shielding in the first place.
@@ChainShinra as an easy solution it can be a feature of the case, something similar to a cable tie or a latch that holds on to the cable … there are USB-C connectors with screws but those are kind of special and uncommon
I would rather want a cheaper router. Your take on the AliExpress variants was good, but remember that this is for consumers and semi-prosumers. This is not for enterprise use (though it could be). I think, correct me if I'm wrong, most people would prefer an N100 powered 10 GbE router at $200, that delivers 100% of the promises 90% of the time, than a $400 (or more) version that delivers 100% of the promise 100% of the time.
Given that the order size isn't going to be huge I suspect the release version is likely to be at a minimum of 400. This might not be the project for you if 200 is what you were expecting.
For the power supply there really are two criteria for me: - Power efficiency - modular / UK plug I run my network equipment at home connected to a UPS. Adaptors and inefficient PSUs drain minutes from my run time. So I'm keen on keeping the waste power to a minimum. I don't think a missing ground will be a problem. Most if not all commercial home/small business routers run with barrel plugs on just +/- without any ground. Dont think that would be a major problem. That supply looks fine, as long as the efficiency is alright.
Honestly, i like the unifi plug. It is small. The ideal plug for me personally is a plug that is small ish, doesn't need a light and can have change the adapter to what ever to make it cheaper also multi volt. 100-250V Also for the ground part, i would suggest adding a ground pin to the router device which the user can use. I live in a area with bad voltages so i need to ground everything. Even the lamps are grounded!
Power Adaptor: No idea, but I do like the 3 prong connector because the Earth leakage is valuable for dealing with shorts. CPU: I like the additional headroom, while you might only use a device for a specific case, updates and things ontop can bloat and cause additional requirements over time, while you want it to be optimal and I imagine you will, the extra 'space' for calculations is always nice.
+1, also I'm a fan of this form factor because some sockets are very finnicky, and phone-style chargers can be a bit annoying in some scenarios. Cables being pulled, charger falling out, inteference with other nearby stuff.. The last one is a great option.
I also prefer the last power supply. Using a C7 cable is also nice, as there will be no size restrictions with the sockets on the same power point/power strip/UPS.
If you're going type-c, regardless of what power supply you get please have the board be PD2.0 (or higher) compliant. The amount of chargers that are 9/15/20V which I end up with makes dealing with
POE in as an optional module would be nice I'd rather use my POE brick or switch to power it than USBC. Also do not feature creep this router to the point where people can just buy any random mini PC and add a router os on it. Also if you need more than 5V2A use 9V2A USBPD DO NOT GO OVER 2A ON 5V.
While I agree grounding isn't a deal breaker, I still would like to see support for it. Like if it's powered by USB-C and the adapter it comes with doesn't support grounding, at least build grounding in so I can use my own adapter that is grounded. I prefer having everything in my network rack be grounded, even if the UPS is grounded there can still be issues with ground fault inside the rack. Also, if waste is a concern, maybe let the customer buy it with or without a power adapter. Even if the savings is only $5 or something I'd rather get it without and use my own.
On the closed sourced binary subject : To me, it's not a deal breaker.. But if I buy such a device, I would love to be able to tamper with it a little bit (building my own distro etc..). Does the NXP licensing and the use of their CPU will prevent me from building a Linux kernel for example ? To be fair and honest, I think this use-case is niche, and does not represent what the majority of people will do. One other thing I want to point out : Personnaly I might be interested in only buying the board, fully populated, but will not really have the use for a case. I would see it more as a fancy cool-looking raspberry pi that is more network oriented, like a Banana Pi BPI-R3 for example. Once again : this is not a common use-case. But I think it will not add a huge cost for you guys to sell a case-less version, I think, but I might be wrong ! Keep up the good work, you're doing great ! PS : I really love the aesthetic of the logo you created for the company. I would love to support the project by buying a shirt or a hoodie. It might be a cool way for you guys to make some money.
I would prefer something with detachable cables on both ends, that way it can be placed where ever I want it and it's not having up precious space on a PDU or power strip. The last one you showed would be my preference. Sure, it's bulkier in general, but since the cables are the most prone to failure, they can be replaced easily.
You said some very key words, I have lots of these, many of us also have many of those and access to them cheaply. Just put the specs and examples like you gave 🤙🏼
I'm not too against the closed source NXP software, my main concern is sounds like the type of thing that might make it hard to say update the kernel in the future and I'd imagine you'll be have to pay them for stuff like updates and security patches. It looks like they have a few different versions of the ASK with different features, I'm curious which you were considering. Also where do I sign up for the pre-order EVK boards?
You should ground them! Otherwise you could have like 100 V AC on the USB C cable. The current would be super low, but it's still there and it could introduce noise into signals or even cause electrical issues such as a very light shock and sparks.
Hi, I'm coming to your project late. While the feature set sounds great, my first reaction is that the price is just going to be too high. What feature set makes this more attractive than like a UniFi Dream Machine? With the latest ProMax model going for $600US offering 10gbps throughput and 5gbps IPC routing, how does your feature set compare? Then there's the software side of things. Comparing OpenWRT to the UniFi suite of applications: networking, voip, video, access, etc, doesn't seem like a plus either. Not trying to be a naysayer for the sake of bringing you down, but I would definately want to see a side-by-side comparison of what your offering against UniFi solutions.
Okay.. here is the third :) I noticed the isolation transformers are outside of the connector. Possibly you're awear that those RJ45 connectors are available with included magnetics (at least I have some on my project with 100M/gigabit) also is there any reason why not using connectors, which have the LEDs included inside the connector? And finally a design idea: if this device not using more than 60W, maybe it should have PoE input as power source, same as mikrotik have multiple options :)
YES, a reservation, especially for the purposes of sending a signal to larger investors, is something I would participate in! The total cost you mentioned in USD is indeed rather high for a preorder. But for those of us who don't have several tens of thousands free to invest, reducing the risk via a $50 reservation is good. I want this device to come to market. I want to buy it, as it will hit all the practical speed and feature needs of my home networking for many years, spreading its cost over time.
For PSU's I just care about efficiency and reliability. Once I set up the router I don't ever think about it again and this includes aesthetics or cable type.
I wouldn't care about the power supply size - as long as it's not overly big. What's more important to me is that it saves space at the socket itself so that it doesn't obstruct the other plugs in the same power strip.
Ehh.. my first comment went missing. So overall: please test the power supplies under different loads, check the ripple/noise. If possible, try to simulate voltage drop "spikes" on the AC side, and check out what happens with the output, when the the voltage flips back... Those should tell you, which power brick is better, and also you can measure efficiency for all of them, since those will be plugged in 24/7.
The last power supply is obviously the best one, from the ones you've showed. Some standard cables are really useful. If someone wants to quickly power it up and test it, when setting at his desk, and his receptacle in the wall is hard to reach, .. then he can like unplug his 2nd monitor or laptop charger and use that cable to power the router. It's stuff like that.
Started binge watching your videos today, and all I can say is I find them very interesting. Still need to catch up fully but so far I am enjoying watching you document your process of this.
YES! Thanks very much for the update. Great progress. A few suggestions: locking barrel jack, or internal PSU like Beelink has done on some of its mini computers - then all you need is a power cable (?), PoE capability would be a great option.
An unfortunate no, but not because it’s not awesome. I currently don’t have a need for 10gb as I’m not in a house that makes sense to pull wiring for. When I do then it would be a yes! I can also see if this is successful and you can take the lessons learned and money to produce a lite version that’s 2.5gb with scaled down capability that it could make a lot of sense, but going after the 10gb market first makes a lot more sense from a business stance.
I'm really not comfortable with nxp or their "blackbox". Is there any way you could just give it the necessary hardware and processing power and let the community figure out the software?
Hvala Tomaz! If you go with USBC I'd make the PSU optional. Like you said yourself; we all have so many charging devices laying around in our houses so I wouldn't even bother thinking about it. Btw I'm so excited for a Slovenian router. I lived in Dob near Domzale for almost two years and I always dream about going back. Slovenia is the hidden gem of Europe :) Na zdravje!
Networking and software dude here..... The IO offloading for networking is a pain. That means that the majority of people will be locked in to only ever getting updates / maintenance for these products while you're providing updates. After that, either the offloading breaks and you're doing everything back in CPU land, or the device is essentially abandoned. This is the double-edged sword of performance. Great when you can get it, but if I can't get something I can build into a kernel in 3 years time, then the device is essentially e-waste. Without the benefit of the offloading, you're back to lower performance than the N100 / N105 / whatever else cheap boxes that do it all in CPU already.
Power Supply: I do care, since the power supply and its dimensions play a part in the "space" you have available: wether it's the rack or a case or just the connector-strip - it alwas matters
Honestly I dont want to see a wall plug. I want to see a detatchabl cable. That way you have a standardized c8/9 or c13/14 plug which makes it easy to find a cable in the local power region AND more importantly YOU can find adapters to use it in a Datacenter environment chich is c13/14 exclusevly edit: maybe a sim slot for one of the m2 slots would be nice? for it to be a powerhouse with redundantcy and field options.
My absolute favorite 65ish watt GAN charger comes from INVZI. The invzi ganhub 67W. Its really small. smaller than the anker one and it looks great imo. The adapters look ok and they even make an extension cord. AOHI makes a nice 30W GAN charger as well. not sure how their adapters looks but their new 30w looks nice with changeable colored plates.
A grounded power supply isn't a big deal to me but the router should have a ground connection, usually just a screw with a serrated washer. I would also like to see a option to buy this router without an included power supply. I also wouldn't mind a screw terminal or Phoenix power connection, just like on some MicroTik devices.
Agreed, especially the rack mount version! Grounding the chassis is a very important part of ESD and surge protection, so being able to attach a dedicated ground wire is essential.
YES. I would be assuming you would want dmesg from the syslog pertaining to the two extra chips sent "home". In regards to the power supply, I prefer the Ankur. Your first choice would be another brick that needs to be managed on the person's desk or rack. I do like you are going with USB-C over barrel adaptor. The only barrel adaptors I like are the bayonet ones that can twist lock on. Otherwise, they will eventually wiggle off. Where I plan to put it, I have a USB-C power hub. So wouldn't need the adapter. As far as a timeline for me, I was suppose to be getting fibre this month but the phone company is saying 3-6 months 😐 Thank you for these continuing updates.
Re: closed source binary -- I found some extensive docs for the "Layerscape Linux" that seems to be associated with the NXP SoCs shown in the video. The binary seems to be a firmware blob rather than a kernel driver. Both the kernel drivers and userspace utilities seem to be open source and the kernel stuff in particular is upstreamed. I don't think you can use the network interfaces at all without the firmware blob, as the interfaces are not normal hardware MACs but a software abstraction built on a set of custom hardware blocks that is designed for line-rate data processing and custom protocol handling. According to the block diagrams, the chip IO block the PHYs hook to is just a generic SERDES. The same resources that can be configured to turn the SERDES lines into a configurable ethernet datapath can also turn them into PCIe or SATA or various other lower-speed interfaces. In fact, that is how the 2-lane m.2 interfaces are implemented in the reference design. It's a pretty cool system!
Having a middle-man style power brick is something that pains me every single time I receive a device like that. WHERE DO YOU PUT THE BRICK Then the other side is the wall-wort - if its big, then its a problem to fit in with other plugs making it more of a pain. Honestly, no one is going to see it once it is plugged in ... so the simplest and smallest decent one is key> Don't make it included - have it as an optional extra - since some people may already have adapters that can do the job. Honestly dealing with PSUs is always a pain, they always have to run to a plug and then are bulky... It is different for single units but in a rack its horrible having plugs, real pain. Not sure cost wise ... but something you could look at is a bracket/cover that clips onto the back or bottom of the router that holds the PSU. If you did say back, you could have the USB C in the middle, and its directly connected And just a C7 or something plug at the back. So it looks part of it - but it is changable - and you could add some additional usb c ports on the back for other stuff. So rather than including the PSU in the price, its an addon power module which can also be used for other stuff. Then since its a standard plug, if on desk, in rack or wherever ... its neat! You have the blue connector for power - so you could just extend that to the back with a simple barrel jack for flexibility. DC + DC with a common ground will give you basic redundancy (add diodes for safety) Ideas :)
Personally I don’t like the idea of having removable cable on the low voltage side of the power supply for two reasons. A. Most Power Adapters would be made longer which could mean it’s prone to being damaged easily if it were to be installed in a Network Cabinet or in a location that is quite small. B. With a detachable low voltage cable that does introduce another point of failure which could make the product unreliable in a business or enterprise setting. My recommendation would be something similar to a 65w HP USB-C Power Adapter.
This Video was the kick i needed *and the prior videos too*. my home network does not know whats about to hit it...just going to keep my current router until this beast drops.
YES! ground isn't necessary. Definitely prefer a Fan charger with just the tip I need. I'm mainly US based. I doubt I would be traveling with this router internationally 😅
3:20 Actually, Apple 1st-Party MacBook chargers tend to support the earth pin on plugs, despite using the standard "Figure of Eight" lead, on the official charging cable, there should be a metal disc which connects to a slot in the Wall Adapter, which only the MacBook chargers have, i.e. in the Plug-adaptor there is a piece of conductive metal which makes the Apple lead support grounding, which for some reason the traditional iPad/iPhone version did not include, at least for the UK/BS1363 plug standard markets.
Maybe a screw in the back for grounding, any PSU will do but the last one seems to be the best choice and a big YES!
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Bravo. Jedva cekam da pustite ruter u prodaju. BTW, izgled napajanja za profesionalni uredjaj koji stoji u nekoj server sali nije toliko bitan ali rack kit za laku montazu bi bio super.
Would love to see a "developer" version, that's just the PCB or PCB+3d printed enclosure or something, for those of us who would like to tinker with this, but who don't care about the aluminium enclosure. Maybe it's just me, but I'd love to have this on my desk for tinkering. Edit: Something like the one you talked about on your table, but without all the extras to make it as cheap as possible, hopefully being able to bring it down to $4-500
I would love DPI and IPS in the device, even if it's not open source. Routing 10 GbE is not that much of a challenge anymore these days, adding some tracking/security is a different issue. Also, perhaps I missed it, but is POE an option? For a high-end router it's not unlikely that you've got a POE system available already.
Looks like I'll have multiple comments here :) However... back in 2013, I got (saved) a few old FC storage equipment from dumpster. In them, there was 4Gbps FC SFP modules. Those modules plugged in my TP-link switch just worked fine without any firmware upgrade... From that point I know what you just backed up: SFP branding and firmware magicing is just a ripoff... if it would be standardised completly, cisco and other (all relevant!!!) brands just can't get thet profit margin with 3-10x price for "compatible" (q)SFP(+) modules.
Side note, for the power brick, though I would prefer something internal that could be separate from the main board and have some extra protections on it and be bypassed if need be, check out ChargerLAB for other brick ideas/options and teardowns. However, I would also take an option for no UCB-C brick and a list of recamended to pick from or if you have a fancy USB-C PDU or rack mount USB-C PSU already, then it's just extra stuff.
Honestly I was looking for a compact ER-X replacement that could do 2.5gbe on VyOS. The device you're making would cost too much for me and I'd also need a GPON stick to hook it all up with SFP+. I'm probably not in your target market but that's fine, wishing you luck with the project regardless 😊
1. Design the first board for an existing standard aluminum enclosure (device FCC/IC/CE testing is more likely to pass) 2. Ethernet plugs with magnetics built-in are common 3. Don't constrain ram/cpu resources, as the low-end market is saturated with junk already 4. A bare-bone wifi-router OS based on Debian is fine I've been doing DFM products for 24 years, and seen many inexperienced folks go bankrupt obsessing over their plastic box form factor. =)
The power supply looks really great, but I prefer wall adapters to inline powerbricks, they make less cable mess behind the desk. Anyway, that is not a huge deal as long as it is standard USB-C PD. What concerns me a lot is binary blob, having hassle-free way of switching OS to whatever I want without loosing performance or features is a huge deal and binary compiled kernel modules will break eventually. Forgot to mention - pricing is okay for this kind of product. Regarding devkit - it sounds a little bit like QA job with negative income. Don't get me wrong, but unless you are an ISP or medium/large size business, or maybe hardcore fan of this project there are little motivation to buy something that will become cheaper and better in few months. So I kinda wish I would have more reasons to buy limited edition, but for now that does not make much sense.
A power device has to fit only a few criteria! It needs to be decent quality (having a PSU fail on you is annoying, even if it's just a common USB-PSU), the cable needs to be detachable (as the PSU itself is ulikely to break if ok quality, but cables can get damaged and if you can just toss the cable, get a new one and be back in business? That's great!) and it should be a common cable (USB-C is the most common now, right?) :) Small size is a good idea (but not too small, you want to be able to grip it easily IMHO), I'd also prefer a PSU that is not running at even 50% of max power output, because that would probably last longer!
Definitely a PSU with a cable on the 110/240v side. Those integrated plugs are always a nightmare to use on PDUs, they always end up blocking the adjacent socket/s
the one where you can swap the cables is definitely the way to go. Ofc, it is my opinion, but most of the places where I plugin my devices it can get cramped. Anything blocky just ruins that experience.
I'd stick with the 4th power supply (the brick with the Mickey Mouse plug), grounding might not be necessary at less than 100 watts, but still a high end router is something you want to keep well protected :) I do agree that the MVP should focus on Speed and Cost, you're spot on. I'd love the idea on the 2-core (even consider a smaller Power Supply for this variant) and 4-core CPU variants, so it's just a Great Router or a Great Router with serious Server capabilities.
You have a misconception of grounding, it's not to protect the device but protect you from being electrocuted. A power supply that meets standards will have the low voltage and high voltage size physically separated. If you're worried about the device being destroyed from your electrical supply you should really invest in a UPS/surge protector.
The one you like the most is also my preferred. Direct wall connection for router would be always pain as I like to hide it somewhere and 2 cables enables it much more.
YES, also, in regards to the 40k software license, it doesn’t matter to me since I don’t think I’d get a genuine benefit from it given my usual network usage
far as the power supply I don't really care to much about it long as it's giving the needed power. Most of the time you don't see the power supply because it's behind a desk or something like that. I'd rather have the performance head room. when do you think this device will be on the shelves for the average joe to get it and the name of it ( I may have missed it)?
Look back in previous videos, there is one where estimates are given for both cost and timeframe. If I'm not mistaken, it should be available sometime next year...
I haven't been following all videos. That said, I would prefer to have a clasp or fastener between the unit and the power connector. I don't want the power cable to be accidentally pulled out. Is this a travel router? In my use case, I leave my router plugged in and I need it to always be powered on. But even with a travel router, I would prefer to have a device where the power cable doesn't fall out. As for the looks of the PSU, I don't really care as long as it is sufficient wattage, reliable, and efficient. For a travel router, a smaller size is nice for packing, but not a deal breaker. With regards to OS, I highly value open source. How will you have OpenWRT work with proprietary NXP software? Would that be the NXP software be on a separate chip or included in a binary blob?
I think one of the solutions for PSU is grate but all of them have drawbacks. The socket based like the anker have a drawback of sticking out of the wall where maybe some people don’t have space for it to protrude out. The secong one has a similar problem but midway the PSU could increase the amount of parts that could fail even tho cables are cheap to replace. As i watched the the video an idea came to mind to maybe combine the two options. The form factor of the last example and combine the modular socket plug. The socket could be removed with a rotary movement and thus exclude the possibility of the plug coming off while increasing the load it can support. I know that the cost could skyrocket in this design choice but i think it could make for an interesting solution. (Btw im an industrial designer student from Zagorje so if you need any help with design graphic or product design or advice on design itself I am happy to help)
Or you can go the route of apple and not include a PSU and so reduce the packaging and shipping cost. While a lot of people have their own chargers making the power delivery USB C could reduce cost of proprietery cables
Personally I would actually prefer it comes without a power adapter and is instead a little cheaper. Then I can also get one with multiple ports for multiple devices. Or just get the tiny Anker one if it’s the only device.
My last comment/question here:) I can't really decide, which impact this nxp binary means. For example: If I buy your product, can I use this feature with my own debian for example? Or the binary will only be included for supported OSes? Hard to decide, and also I would like to know, how the board preform with or without (i mean speed test, pps on single/multi tcp/udp streams, etc). Are you aware of the IPset kernel module? If the OS uses linux kernel, this will be available, and for a few cases, it can really speed up the processing of the packets inside the kernel.
The power input must be USB-C with some standard PD. Then the power plug doesn't really matter. I don't like the proprietary bits to make the 10GBe work but that's a pretty key selling feature to go without?
You forgot to post the links in the description to the talk and others. I can't wait to get the rack mount router. What about possibilities to install IPS/IDS application that can make use of the coral ai. YES, if the ASK software will be available.
I will be interested in the final Product, but not for an Evaluation Kit. But I hope you are successful, since I really have the need for such a Product.
Did you also calculate for the throughput when adding in extra firewall rules like the more rules the more cpu load? I bought an Ubiquiti UniFi USG for my Gigabit internet connection and once you put in firewall rules the throughput dropped to like 100-200mbit 😞 Another thing is that i have been asking in numorous times if it is possible to invest in this project and still no answer...
YES! I much prefer the reliable non-GaN brick from reputable brand like Meanwell. Or even better: something internal. BYOPSU is also good, it'll make the price lower and I have several suitable ones. RACM30-12DK/277 looks nice, Recom also makes SMD and wired PSU's. Even ones that look like EMI filter. Also, give me the account number, I want this device. I don't needfancy case, I can 3D print or CNC my own.
Not a huge fan of wall warts that would take up a bunch of space in a surge protector, and if the adapter isn't directly attached to the plug, i would want it keyed for easy mounting.
17:15 freaking magnets, how do they work xD ^^ regarding the binary. I'm no software engineer so i'm not gonna touch that anyhow. if there's no performance penalty i personally see no reason to not use it.
People travel... having an adapter than can travel with you is great! It´s not e-waste. That said... just leave out the adaptor if it´s USB-C... or have people buy it separately.
One thing is, when choosing the PSU, make sure it's compatible with UPSs and PDUs. I want my router to be battery backed up, it came quite handy before. I might care about the aesthetics of the router, but not the PSU.
What PSU isnt compatible?
@@tendosingh5682 Schuko, and I know you get adapters, but they are bulky. C14 to C7 cables are a bit neater.
@@lukahrastovec5022 Depends on the UPS, the Eaton Ellipse PRO UPS series all have regular Schuko connections. One of those nearly caught fire in my house though so I wouldn't recommend them ;)
If it takes a USBC input, I don’t particularly care which adapter it comes with. If it is a barrel or anything else, something like the last option would be my preference.
With regard to the closed source binary, I have no issue with it, provided the vendor can’t kill it remotely once the license expires.
Thanks for the feedback!
Yeah I'm rapidly reaching the point where if the device pulls less power than a leaf-blower, I'm hoping for a USB-C port. I'm sick of all the random power bricks & wall warts.
I agree with the license bit. That's why the company I work for stopped using Sofos devices. I still have several units sitting in storage. Expensive paper weights....
I wouldn’t bother supplying a power supply if it’s usbc just recommended one it will save you shipping costs as you can reduce the box size
I second the no power supply necessary. Might give the option.
I think you can use the PD protocol to make sure the user power supply is good enough before booting, that would avoid instabilities.
I quite despise the tingle of leakage current for equipment using ungrounded switching supplies. If you won’t consider a good grounded supply, I think exclude it entirely and leave it to the buyer to acquire their own. Or at minimum, provide the option to purchase without.
When looking at ungrounded switching power supplies, keep in mind that the 'Y capacitor' that is usually needed for filtering means the 'ground' on the DC side is weakly pulled to around half of the mains voltage. This can sometimes be felt as a small shocks when touching devices connected to such a PSU, but you especially need to ensure your design can handle this from an ESD point of view, since in 240V RMS countries, this can be up to 170V that will be discharged (possibly regularly) once your device comes into contact with something that is actually grounded.
Also, if you have no real ground reference, you cannot ground the shields of the BaseT-Ports. If they are grounded on the other side, that's fine, but if CAT-cable's shields are ungrounded on both sides, the shielding inside the cable will become like an antenna for interference, often resulting in even worse signals than without shielding in the first place.
This is why I prefer internal PSU with 4 socket.
Please make the power cable “lockable” so it doesn’t fall out when someone moves the case
good point - I don't like these scenarios when you have to "check" if the cable is still fully in
Very good idea. But is there even such a thing as a lockable USB-C Connector/Plug?
@@ChainShinra as an easy solution it can be a feature of the case, something similar to a cable tie or a latch that holds on to the cable … there are USB-C connectors with screws but those are kind of special and uncommon
Could do it like mikrotik with tabs in the case.
I would rather want a cheaper router. Your take on the AliExpress variants was good, but remember that this is for consumers and semi-prosumers. This is not for enterprise use (though it could be). I think, correct me if I'm wrong, most people would prefer an N100 powered 10 GbE router at $200, that delivers 100% of the promises 90% of the time, than a $400 (or more) version that delivers 100% of the promise 100% of the time.
@@mortenmoulder N100 is a great chip for a firewall/router 👍
Given that the order size isn't going to be huge I suspect the release version is likely to be at a minimum of 400. This might not be the project for you if 200 is what you were expecting.
@@comicalhexical You are buying overpriced cases and looks with this product not necessarily a good router.
For the power supply there really are two criteria for me:
- Power efficiency
- modular / UK plug
I run my network equipment at home connected to a UPS. Adaptors and inefficient PSUs drain minutes from my run time. So I'm keen on keeping the waste power to a minimum. I don't think a missing ground will be a problem. Most if not all commercial home/small business routers run with barrel plugs on just +/- without any ground. Dont think that would be a major problem.
That supply looks fine, as long as the efficiency is alright.
Honestly, i like the unifi plug. It is small. The ideal plug for me personally is a plug that is small ish, doesn't need a light and can have change the adapter to what ever to make it cheaper also multi volt. 100-250V
Also for the ground part, i would suggest adding a ground pin to the router device which the user can use. I live in a area with bad voltages so i need to ground everything. Even the lamps are grounded!
Power Adaptor: No idea, but I do like the 3 prong connector because the Earth leakage is valuable for dealing with shorts.
CPU: I like the additional headroom, while you might only use a device for a specific case, updates and things ontop can bloat and cause additional requirements over time, while you want it to be optimal and I imagine you will, the extra 'space' for calculations is always nice.
I think the last PSU is the best one. Even though it's "overkill" power wise. Just because it's easy to replace the cables on both ends
+1, also I'm a fan of this form factor because some sockets are very finnicky, and phone-style chargers can be a bit annoying in some scenarios. Cables being pulled, charger falling out, inteference with other nearby stuff.. The last one is a great option.
I also prefer the last power supply. Using a C7 cable is also nice, as there will be no size restrictions with the sockets on the same power point/power strip/UPS.
YES!!! I'd totally love to get my hands on on of these units, especially if it supports you and the project. Keep up the great work!
If you're going type-c, regardless of what power supply you get please have the board be PD2.0 (or higher) compliant. The amount of chargers that are 9/15/20V which I end up with makes dealing with
POE in as an optional module would be nice I'd rather use my POE brick or switch to power it than USBC.
Also do not feature creep this router to the point where people can just buy any random mini PC and add a router os on it.
Also if you need more than 5V2A use 9V2A USBPD DO NOT GO OVER 2A ON 5V.
While I agree grounding isn't a deal breaker, I still would like to see support for it. Like if it's powered by USB-C and the adapter it comes with doesn't support grounding, at least build grounding in so I can use my own adapter that is grounded. I prefer having everything in my network rack be grounded, even if the UPS is grounded there can still be issues with ground fault inside the rack.
Also, if waste is a concern, maybe let the customer buy it with or without a power adapter. Even if the savings is only $5 or something I'd rather get it without and use my own.
On the closed sourced binary subject : To me, it's not a deal breaker.. But if I buy such a device, I would love to be able to tamper with it a little bit (building my own distro etc..). Does the NXP licensing and the use of their CPU will prevent me from building a Linux kernel for example ? To be fair and honest, I think this use-case is niche, and does not represent what the majority of people will do.
One other thing I want to point out : Personnaly I might be interested in only buying the board, fully populated, but will not really have the use for a case. I would see it more as a fancy cool-looking raspberry pi that is more network oriented, like a Banana Pi BPI-R3 for example. Once again : this is not a common use-case. But I think it will not add a huge cost for you guys to sell a case-less version, I think, but I might be wrong !
Keep up the good work, you're doing great !
PS : I really love the aesthetic of the logo you created for the company. I would love to support the project by buying a shirt or a hoodie. It might be a cool way for you guys to make some money.
I would prefer something with detachable cables on both ends, that way it can be placed where ever I want it and it's not having up precious space on a PDU or power strip. The last one you showed would be my preference. Sure, it's bulkier in general, but since the cables are the most prone to failure, they can be replaced easily.
You said some very key words, I have lots of these, many of us also have many of those and access to them cheaply. Just put the specs and examples like you gave 🤙🏼
I'm not too against the closed source NXP software, my main concern is sounds like the type of thing that might make it hard to say update the kernel in the future and I'd imagine you'll be have to pay them for stuff like updates and security patches. It looks like they have a few different versions of the ASK with different features, I'm curious which you were considering.
Also where do I sign up for the pre-order EVK boards?
Hurray! I am hyped for this project!
You should ground them! Otherwise you could have like 100 V AC on the USB C cable. The current would be super low, but it's still there and it could introduce noise into signals or even cause electrical issues such as a very light shock and sparks.
YES! Don’t care about the psu, just specify the recommended voltage. Good luck going forward and looking forward to get my hands dirty with one device
Hi, I'm coming to your project late. While the feature set sounds great, my first reaction is that the price is just going to be too high. What feature set makes this more attractive than like a UniFi Dream Machine? With the latest ProMax model going for $600US offering 10gbps throughput and 5gbps IPC routing, how does your feature set compare? Then there's the software side of things. Comparing OpenWRT to the UniFi suite of applications: networking, voip, video, access, etc, doesn't seem like a plus either. Not trying to be a naysayer for the sake of bringing you down, but I would definately want to see a side-by-side comparison of what your offering against UniFi solutions.
Okay.. here is the third :) I noticed the isolation transformers are outside of the connector. Possibly you're awear that those RJ45 connectors are available with included magnetics (at least I have some on my project with 100M/gigabit) also is there any reason why not using connectors, which have the LEDs included inside the connector?
And finally a design idea: if this device not using more than 60W, maybe it should have PoE input as power source, same as mikrotik have multiple options :)
YES, a reservation, especially for the purposes of sending a signal to larger investors, is something I would participate in! The total cost you mentioned in USD is indeed rather high for a preorder. But for those of us who don't have several tens of thousands free to invest, reducing the risk via a $50 reservation is good. I want this device to come to market. I want to buy it, as it will hit all the practical speed and feature needs of my home networking for many years, spreading its cost over time.
For PSU's I just care about efficiency and reliability. Once I set up the router I don't ever think about it again and this includes aesthetics or cable type.
I wouldn't care about the power supply size - as long as it's not overly big. What's more important to me is that it saves space at the socket itself so that it doesn't obstruct the other plugs in the same power strip.
Ehh.. my first comment went missing. So overall: please test the power supplies under different loads, check the ripple/noise. If possible, try to simulate voltage drop "spikes" on the AC side, and check out what happens with the output, when the the voltage flips back... Those should tell you, which power brick is better, and also you can measure efficiency for all of them, since those will be plugged in 24/7.
Thanking you most kindly
The last power supply is obviously the best one, from the ones you've showed.
Some standard cables are really useful. If someone wants to quickly power it up and test it, when setting at his desk, and his receptacle in the wall is hard to reach, .. then he can like unplug his 2nd monitor or laptop charger and use that cable to power the router. It's stuff like that.
Started binge watching your videos today, and all I can say is I find them very interesting. Still need to catch up fully but so far I am enjoying watching you document your process of this.
YES! Thanks very much for the update. Great progress. A few suggestions: locking barrel jack, or internal PSU like Beelink has done on some of its mini computers - then all you need is a power cable (?), PoE capability would be a great option.
An unfortunate no, but not because it’s not awesome. I currently don’t have a need for 10gb as I’m not in a house that makes sense to pull wiring for. When I do then it would be a yes! I can also see if this is successful and you can take the lessons learned and money to produce a lite version that’s 2.5gb with scaled down capability that it could make a lot of sense, but going after the 10gb market first makes a lot more sense from a business stance.
I'm really not comfortable with nxp or their "blackbox". Is there any way you could just give it the necessary hardware and processing power and let the community figure out the software?
Hvala Tomaz! If you go with USBC I'd make the PSU optional. Like you said yourself; we all have so many charging devices laying around in our houses so I wouldn't even bother thinking about it. Btw I'm so excited for a Slovenian router. I lived in Dob near Domzale for almost two years and I always dream about going back. Slovenia is the hidden gem of Europe :) Na zdravje!
Bravo Tomaž, zanimiv projekt! Pa hvala ker deliš ta insiderski vpogled v to kako nastane ena taka mašina ... Samo dalje!
Networking and software dude here..... The IO offloading for networking is a pain. That means that the majority of people will be locked in to only ever getting updates / maintenance for these products while you're providing updates. After that, either the offloading breaks and you're doing everything back in CPU land, or the device is essentially abandoned.
This is the double-edged sword of performance. Great when you can get it, but if I can't get something I can build into a kernel in 3 years time, then the device is essentially e-waste.
Without the benefit of the offloading, you're back to lower performance than the N100 / N105 / whatever else cheap boxes that do it all in CPU already.
Power Supply: I do care, since the power supply and its dimensions play a part in the "space" you have available: wether it's the rack or a case or just the connector-strip - it alwas matters
Honestly I dont want to see a wall plug. I want to see a detatchabl cable.
That way you have a standardized c8/9 or c13/14 plug which makes it easy to find a cable in the local power region AND more importantly YOU can find adapters to use it in a Datacenter environment chich is c13/14 exclusevly
edit: maybe a sim slot for one of the m2 slots would be nice? for it to be a powerhouse with redundantcy and field options.
My absolute favorite 65ish watt GAN charger comes from INVZI. The invzi ganhub 67W. Its really small. smaller than the anker one and it looks great imo. The adapters look ok and they even make an extension cord. AOHI makes a nice 30W GAN charger as well. not sure how their adapters looks but their new 30w looks nice with changeable colored plates.
A grounded power supply isn't a big deal to me but the router should have a ground connection, usually just a screw with a serrated washer.
I would also like to see a option to buy this router without an included power supply. I also wouldn't mind a screw terminal or Phoenix power connection, just like on some MicroTik devices.
Agreed, especially the rack mount version! Grounding the chassis is a very important part of ESD and surge protection, so being able to attach a dedicated ground wire is essential.
@@DJW3lchAlso, you know, grounding the ethernet connectors.
YES. I would be assuming you would want dmesg from the syslog pertaining to the two extra chips sent "home". In regards to the power supply, I prefer the Ankur. Your first choice would be another brick that needs to be managed on the person's desk or rack. I do like you are going with USB-C over barrel adaptor. The only barrel adaptors I like are the bayonet ones that can twist lock on. Otherwise, they will eventually wiggle off. Where I plan to put it, I have a USB-C power hub. So wouldn't need the adapter. As far as a timeline for me, I was suppose to be getting fibre this month but the phone company is saying 3-6 months 😐 Thank you for these continuing updates.
Re: closed source binary -- I found some extensive docs for the "Layerscape Linux" that seems to be associated with the NXP SoCs shown in the video.
The binary seems to be a firmware blob rather than a kernel driver. Both the kernel drivers and userspace utilities seem to be open source and the kernel stuff in particular is upstreamed.
I don't think you can use the network interfaces at all without the firmware blob, as the interfaces are not normal hardware MACs but a software abstraction built on a set of custom hardware blocks that is designed for line-rate data processing and custom protocol handling. According to the block diagrams, the chip IO block the PHYs hook to is just a generic SERDES.
The same resources that can be configured to turn the SERDES lines into a configurable ethernet datapath can also turn them into PCIe or SATA or various other lower-speed interfaces.
In fact, that is how the 2-lane m.2 interfaces are implemented in the reference design. It's a pretty cool system!
Having a middle-man style power brick is something that pains me every single time I receive a device like that.
WHERE DO YOU PUT THE BRICK
Then the other side is the wall-wort - if its big, then its a problem to fit in with other plugs making it more of a pain.
Honestly, no one is going to see it once it is plugged in ... so the simplest and smallest decent one is key>
Don't make it included - have it as an optional extra - since some people may already have adapters that can do the job.
Honestly dealing with PSUs is always a pain, they always have to run to a plug and then are bulky...
It is different for single units but in a rack its horrible having plugs, real pain.
Not sure cost wise ... but something you could look at is a bracket/cover that clips onto the back or bottom of the router that holds the PSU.
If you did say back, you could have the USB C in the middle, and its directly connected
And just a C7 or something plug at the back.
So it looks part of it - but it is changable - and you could add some additional usb c ports on the back for other stuff.
So rather than including the PSU in the price, its an addon power module which can also be used for other stuff.
Then since its a standard plug, if on desk, in rack or wherever ... its neat!
You have the blue connector for power - so you could just extend that to the back with a simple barrel jack for flexibility.
DC + DC with a common ground will give you basic redundancy (add diodes for safety)
Ideas :)
Personally I don’t like the idea of having removable cable on the low voltage side of the power supply for two reasons.
A. Most Power Adapters would be made longer which could mean it’s prone to being damaged easily if it were to be installed in a Network Cabinet or in a location that is quite small.
B. With a detachable low voltage cable that does introduce another point of failure which could make the product unreliable in a business or enterprise setting.
My recommendation would be something similar to a 65w HP USB-C Power Adapter.
This Video was the kick i needed *and the prior videos too*. my home network does not know whats about to hit it...just going to keep my current router until this beast drops.
YES.
I also like the last power supply show.
I'd prefer a power supply with a cable for the wall plug. I won't be able to fit a bulky supply next to other plugs in a standard Swiss power socket.
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YES!
ground isn't necessary. Definitely prefer a Fan charger with just the tip I need. I'm mainly US based. I doubt I would be traveling with this router internationally 😅
3:20 Actually, Apple 1st-Party MacBook chargers tend to support the earth pin on plugs, despite using the standard "Figure of Eight" lead, on the official charging cable, there should be a metal disc which connects to a slot in the Wall Adapter, which only the MacBook chargers have, i.e. in the Plug-adaptor there is a piece of conductive metal which makes the Apple lead support grounding, which for some reason the traditional iPad/iPhone version did not include, at least for the UK/BS1363 plug standard markets.
Maybe a screw in the back for grounding, any PSU will do but the last one seems to be the best choice and a big YES!
Bravo. Jedva cekam da pustite ruter u prodaju. BTW, izgled napajanja za profesionalni uredjaj koji stoji u nekoj server sali nije toliko bitan ali rack kit za laku montazu bi bio super.
Would love to see a "developer" version, that's just the PCB or PCB+3d printed enclosure or something, for those of us who would like to tinker with this, but who don't care about the aluminium enclosure. Maybe it's just me, but I'd love to have this on my desk for tinkering.
Edit: Something like the one you talked about on your table, but without all the extras to make it as cheap as possible, hopefully being able to bring it down to $4-500
YES
NO, dont really know what i would do with this. Still loving the idea and hard work!
I'm glad you are taking so much pride in ever component including the PSU. Personally I don't think too much about the PSU.
I would love DPI and IPS in the device, even if it's not open source. Routing 10 GbE is not that much of a challenge anymore these days, adding some tracking/security is a different issue.
Also, perhaps I missed it, but is POE an option? For a high-end router it's not unlikely that you've got a POE system available already.
Looks like I'll have multiple comments here :) However... back in 2013, I got (saved) a few old FC storage equipment from dumpster. In them, there was 4Gbps FC SFP modules. Those modules plugged in my TP-link switch just worked fine without any firmware upgrade... From that point I know what you just backed up: SFP branding and firmware magicing is just a ripoff... if it would be standardised completly, cisco and other (all relevant!!!) brands just can't get thet profit margin with 3-10x price for "compatible" (q)SFP(+) modules.
Side note, for the power brick, though I would prefer something internal that could be separate from the main board and have some extra protections on it and be bypassed if need be, check out ChargerLAB for other brick ideas/options and teardowns. However, I would also take an option for no UCB-C brick and a list of recamended to pick from or if you have a fancy USB-C PDU or rack mount USB-C PSU already, then it's just extra stuff.
Router should use USBC so the consumer can choose what cables. And power supply it will use. Of course include a recommended one.
Honestly I was looking for a compact ER-X replacement that could do 2.5gbe on VyOS. The device you're making would cost too much for me and I'd also need a GPON stick to hook it all up with SFP+. I'm probably not in your target market but that's fine, wishing you luck with the project regardless 😊
1. Design the first board for an existing standard aluminum enclosure (device FCC/IC/CE testing is more likely to pass)
2. Ethernet plugs with magnetics built-in are common
3. Don't constrain ram/cpu resources, as the low-end market is saturated with junk already
4. A bare-bone wifi-router OS based on Debian is fine
I've been doing DFM products for 24 years, and seen many inexperienced folks go bankrupt obsessing over their plastic box form factor. =)
For a stationary device the power efficency is imo more important than size. Formwise I prever the bricks over the "Phone chargers"
English England I have been with you from your first video
The power supply looks really great, but I prefer wall adapters to inline powerbricks, they make less cable mess behind the desk. Anyway, that is not a huge deal as long as it is standard USB-C PD. What concerns me a lot is binary blob, having hassle-free way of switching OS to whatever I want without loosing performance or features is a huge deal and binary compiled kernel modules will break eventually. Forgot to mention - pricing is okay for this kind of product. Regarding devkit - it sounds a little bit like QA job with negative income. Don't get me wrong, but unless you are an ISP or medium/large size business, or maybe hardcore fan of this project there are little motivation to buy something that will become cheaper and better in few months. So I kinda wish I would have more reasons to buy limited edition, but for now that does not make much sense.
A NAS on Proxmox using this sounds..... appealing..
A power device has to fit only a few criteria! It needs to be decent quality (having a PSU fail on you is annoying, even if it's just a common USB-PSU), the cable needs to be detachable (as the PSU itself is ulikely to break if ok quality, but cables can get damaged and if you can just toss the cable, get a new one and be back in business? That's great!) and it should be a common cable (USB-C is the most common now, right?) :)
Small size is a good idea (but not too small, you want to be able to grip it easily IMHO), I'd also prefer a PSU that is not running at even 50% of max power output, because that would probably last longer!
Those FlexOptics reprogrammers are great devices. I saw a couple of collegues use them to reflash transceivers. Quick and easy.
Definitely a PSU with a cable on the 110/240v side. Those integrated plugs are always a nightmare to use on PDUs, they always end up blocking the adjacent socket/s
the one where you can swap the cables is definitely the way to go. Ofc, it is my opinion, but most of the places where I plugin my devices it can get cramped. Anything blocky just ruins that experience.
I'd stick with the 4th power supply (the brick with the Mickey Mouse plug), grounding might not be necessary at less than 100 watts, but still a high end router is something you want to keep well protected :)
I do agree that the MVP should focus on Speed and Cost, you're spot on.
I'd love the idea on the 2-core (even consider a smaller Power Supply for this variant) and 4-core CPU variants, so it's just a Great Router or a Great Router with serious Server capabilities.
You have a misconception of grounding, it's not to protect the device but protect you from being electrocuted. A power supply that meets standards will have the low voltage and high voltage size physically separated. If you're worried about the device being destroyed from your electrical supply you should really invest in a UPS/surge protector.
The one you like the most is also my preferred. Direct wall connection for router would be always pain as I like to hide it somewhere and 2 cables enables it much more.
I have to admit that I’ve never really given much thought to the PSUs of my devices.
I do like the flatness of the PSU, please include an angled cable, so that you may hide it behind a cupboard.
YES, also, in regards to the 40k software license, it doesn’t matter to me since I don’t think I’d get a genuine benefit from it given my usual network usage
far as the power supply I don't really care to much about it long as it's giving the needed power. Most of the time you don't see the power supply because it's behind a desk or something like that. I'd rather have the performance head room. when do you think this device will be on the shelves for the average joe to get it and the name of it ( I may have missed it)?
Look back in previous videos, there is one where estimates are given for both cost and timeframe. If I'm not mistaken, it should be available sometime next year...
I haven't been following all videos. That said, I would prefer to have a clasp or fastener between the unit and the power connector. I don't want the power cable to be accidentally pulled out. Is this a travel router? In my use case, I leave my router plugged in and I need it to always be powered on. But even with a travel router, I would prefer to have a device where the power cable doesn't fall out. As for the looks of the PSU, I don't really care as long as it is sufficient wattage, reliable, and efficient. For a travel router, a smaller size is nice for packing, but not a deal breaker. With regards to OS, I highly value open source. How will you have OpenWRT work with proprietary NXP software? Would that be the NXP software be on a separate chip or included in a binary blob?
I think one of the solutions for PSU is grate but all of them have drawbacks. The socket based like the anker have a drawback of sticking out of the wall where maybe some people don’t have space for it to protrude out. The secong one has a similar problem but midway the PSU could increase the amount of parts that could fail even tho cables are cheap to replace. As i watched the the video an idea came to mind to maybe combine the two options. The form factor of the last example and combine the modular socket plug. The socket could be removed with a rotary movement and thus exclude the possibility of the plug coming off while increasing the load it can support. I know that the cost could skyrocket in this design choice but i think it could make for an interesting solution.
(Btw im an industrial designer student from Zagorje so if you need any help with design graphic or product design or advice on design itself I am happy to help)
Or you can go the route of apple and not include a PSU and so reduce the packaging and shipping cost. While a lot of people have their own chargers making the power delivery USB C could reduce cost of proprietery cables
.... I think that route joke was blackholed since I didn't get it :D
Absolutely brilliant
🙌
similar to a typical phone usb-c charger would be quite nice, saves space and allows you to bring your own C to C cable if you want longer/shorter.
Personally I would actually prefer it comes without a power adapter and is instead a little cheaper.
Then I can also get one with multiple ports for multiple devices. Or just get the tiny Anker one if it’s the only device.
YES!
My last comment/question here:) I can't really decide, which impact this nxp binary means. For example: If I buy your product, can I use this feature with my own debian for example? Or the binary will only be included for supported OSes? Hard to decide, and also I would like to know, how the board preform with or without (i mean speed test, pps on single/multi tcp/udp streams, etc). Are you aware of the IPset kernel module? If the OS uses linux kernel, this will be available, and for a few cases, it can really speed up the processing of the packets inside the kernel.
The power input must be USB-C with some standard PD. Then the power plug doesn't really matter.
I don't like the proprietary bits to make the 10GBe work but that's a pretty key selling feature to go without?
YES definitely
yeah i run containers on my current router for my monitoring needs! please make it so.
You forgot to post the links in the description to the talk and others.
I can't wait to get the rack mount router. What about possibilities to install IPS/IDS application that can make use of the coral ai.
YES, if the ASK software will be available.
YOU are the legend!
YES
make sure you do a lifecycle cost benefit analysis before considering the black box part
I will be interested in the final Product, but not for an Evaluation Kit. But I hope you are successful, since I really have the need for such a Product.
Did you also calculate for the throughput when adding in extra firewall rules like the more rules the more cpu load?
I bought an Ubiquiti UniFi USG for my Gigabit internet connection and once you put in firewall rules the throughput dropped to like 100-200mbit 😞
Another thing is that i have been asking in numorous times if it is possible to invest in this project and still no answer...
Greetings from Brazil 👋
YES!
I much prefer the reliable non-GaN brick from reputable brand like Meanwell. Or even better: something internal.
BYOPSU is also good, it'll make the price lower and I have several suitable ones.
RACM30-12DK/277 looks nice, Recom also makes SMD and wired PSU's. Even ones that look like EMI filter.
Also, give me the account number, I want this device. I don't needfancy case, I can 3D print or CNC my own.
Not a huge fan of wall warts that would take up a bunch of space in a surge protector, and if the adapter isn't directly attached to the plug, i would want it keyed for easy mounting.
17:15 freaking magnets, how do they work xD ^^
regarding the binary. I'm no software engineer so i'm not gonna touch that anyhow. if there's no performance penalty i personally see no reason to not use it.
I think you are missing the chance, to use transparent colors of Gameboys, N64, Apple Macs... I for instance would love Atomic Purple version.
People travel... having an adapter than can travel with you is great! It´s not e-waste. That said... just leave out the adaptor if it´s USB-C... or have people buy it separately.
This will be sweet