Demont Washington If he hadn't been rich he probably would have had a more healthy upbringing and thus been much more normal. He is responsible for his actions, but just about anybody raised so isolated and so rich is going to be messed up and unable to connect with normal people.
esotericVideos being of a lower income wouldn't have mattered much, as studies have shown that the lower you are on the socio-economic ladder, the higher the risk of both physical and mental illness. however, from what i can understand he had a big drinking problem, and that drinking problem was probably for a reason, so he did it to cope. he probably suffered some trauma in his life, and things turned out as they did. either way, what i think we all can agree on here, is that this society of our's, sure knows how to fuck our people up good.
You're spot on. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Burns was modeled off DuPont. I just got done watching the Team Foxcatcher doc on Netflix and my first thought was Mr. Burns. The nose and face, not to mention the hunchback and fraigility. Even the personality.
Most revealing bit: the fishing scene, where he exerts his athletic prowess of the fish, and force them to lose. Very creepy fella, seemed doomed to insanity.
Anyone who's ever fished can take one look at that fruitloop and the way he holds the rod and tell you he's no man. How dare I say that? Sorry, not woke. Look's like a fruitcake.......
@matttriano yes but if you believe in Christ then you'll know that being gay is written to of come from evil and goes along with it. The drugs, the sexuality, and the willingness to take a life. They all go together...
Lmao word, dude was so narcissistic and delusional he would have fixed amateur matches in order to prove he was somehow a good wrestler. Because he would always lose otherwise.
Carrell's performance was spot on besides the voice. Du Pont's voice is MUCH deeper than his. But he nailed Du Pont's weird mannerisms though, and his creepy......slow.....two words.... at a....time......speaking.....habbit.....
I know what you mean, but that phrase is so misleading. "Senselessly" doesn't truly label the "killing", nor accurately describe the heinous crime of *maniacal murder.*
Completely batshit insane. Dead eyes that look right through you. Characteristic schizophrenic "flat affect" coupled with bizarre bursts of inexplicable enthusiasm. Obviously stilted and disordered speech. Other posters have it right: if he hadn't been rich, nobody would have been willing to walk on the same side of the street as this lunatic.
not really. I mean, had this guy not killed someone you'd definitely think otherwise. Its not like he secretly plotted to create a wrestling team just to kill a man.
Look up video of him in the mid 90’s. He is even weirder then and his speech is even more deliberate and his smile is permanent and is always looking down his nose.
kelseylanelle I don't think so I don't think you did a good job at all this guy that it's showing is nothing like in the movie The guy in the movie had no feelings or emotions of any kind this guy here seems to kid around and he seems like he is true feelings let alone did he even do what they said I wonder if he was set up by the elitist that he I know he is an elitist but I wonder if he was set up by them for some reason I don't know what it would be but sometimes they do stuff like that
Lol no. Totally disagree. He didn’t look or act like John du Pont at all. Carell did great. But the writing and makeup were horrible. This guy is way different than carells version.
To the people saying how normal jon is in this video please note that he made this himself. Funded it basically propaganda for himself. Of course he would use only the best takes and everything said would positive. Steve Carell blew this out of the water. Seriously you guys think this video proves he was a normal dude? It's obviously his own little version of jon E DUPONT PROPAGANDA. You guys are so gullible.
I almost feel bad for Du Pont. The wrestling craze was him acting out and unconsciously crying for help. He was a sad lonely man strangled by his delusions. The wrestlers thought he was an eccentric harmless fool and they were only too happy to accept his financial assistance so they could achieve their dreams of success. Who wouldn't? They weren't psychiatrists and tragically how could they know that he was a ticking bomb? It was up to Du Pont to face his issues and but he didn't. He could have saved himself from himself. So although I almost feel bad for him I don't.
I think the fact they had the liberty of being able to pick and choose the best takes and all that and STILL have him coming out of it looking quite... odd, and creepy says a fair bit.
Your comment is well observed. The best ! You see in the movie his presentations are through his eyes, his editing, like a political informercial. And this self promo was probably made when he was somewhat rational, and before the chronology Foxcatcher covers. I'm curious to know if Mark Schultz's displeasure with Bennett Miller portrayal of him And the innuendos is current or his reaction when the movie first came out. I empathize with mark Schultz though, he was in Villanovas wrestling program, he says that's why he came out to foxcatcher. Obviously there are dramatizations based on true events.
I was so moved by the way Steve Carell portrayed John du Pont that in the middle of it I googled JdP. Wow, I knew SC could act but seeing this video makes me appreciate him at a whole other level. It is so easy to act out the character as a caricature and, in the case of JdP, it would have been very easy to play him in such a way. Had that happened, so much would have been missed in terms of seeing the deep lessons JdP's life provides as it wove in and contrasted against the lives of Dave and Mark Schultz. At the heart of it, is the heart of it. For all the wealth and luxury that the du Pont's were living in, the mother and son were incapable of truly experiencing love for themselves or each other. The Schultz had what the du Ponts were missing in their life -- unconditional love for each other. The du Ponts had what the Schultz were short of in their life -- economic support. It is fascinating to watch how authorities/military personnel were willing to accept and kowtow to the behaviour of JdP bec of all the money he was pouring into their pockets. Any other individual who behaved anywhere near how JdP behaved would be put in his place or ignored or locked up in an institution. It is very obvious JdP had the emotional intelligence and maturity of a seven year old child; he was childish, NOT child like. It is also quite clear that his own mother was not very emotionally intelligent nor mature herself -- she could not love her son for exactly the way he wanted to be. The scene where they talk about JdP's train set and what to do with it was an incredibly powerful statement about the majority of how most parent-child relationships are. Parent wants child to be X and child wants parent to be seen and accepted as Y. Each one demanding their worth be given by the other. #channingtatum, #markruffalo and #bennetmiller, #thankyou for this absolutely unforgettable movie. Amazing work .
I’m still confused about what happened between 1988 & 1996. Mark left in 1988 but his brother Dave stayed with wife & kids 8 more years before he was murdered?? I still don’t get the motive for the murder & why there were no red flags or ignored red flags for 8 years??
The way he takes his athletic tenacity to the fish is captivating.... if I could only put more of my athletic tenacity into my fishing I'd be such a better fisherman!
Mate, he's a guy holding a fishing rod, dipped in the water, that doesn't make him a fisherman. I'm not a keen fisherman, but I can see a total tonk easily enough. He's lucky they're only small fish or he'd end up losing that athletic contest.
It is sad ! That with all that wealth, he couldn't buy happiness, friends or family ! Why NOTHING of that was taken into consideration by court?&how come a billionaire like him couldn't get out of jail after a while????
Hearing him talking about fishing really illuminated the mindset of this sociopath. He really was an overgrown kid who felt that he could do anything and get away with it
Just the way he talks about “mother”. If you saw that in a movie you’d say it was hacky Hollywood writing, but no, this dude really did have a whole Norman Bates thing for real.
What’s interesting is this highlights all of his donations and generosity, knowing now that’s how he bought influence and a blind eye to his obvious mental condition.
Actually, the hospital commissioned the video at duPont's request because he donated money to build a trauma center. DuPont never participated in the edit session and there were very few outtakes.
Dave Speace I think you dismiss the realit of this - have a look at the wrestling and opnbeing sections near the beginning of this short. Note the adjectives used by the narrator. "Outdoorsman" and other terms build up JOhn as a running the company business and conquering everything else. Thi was clearly written by John - everything the narrator says! This is what he did. Guy is remarkable - do you know if there is any truth to rumor he is a eunach- casused by a horse accident? thanks
big trade No... John DuPont did not write the voice-over for this. All his on-camera talking was extemporaneous... no script. Everything was done in one take!
I am a firm believer that humans need something to struggle and strive to achieve. Being born with so much wealth with no requirement to ever make something out of himself, that played a big part in insanity.
I heard about this case as a kid, and seeing it now after everything I've learned in life is that this man's story is a deeply sad indictment on both the way society still marginalizes and virtually ignores mental illness, and how vulnerable and sycophantic people are by nature. One of the most important things people need is other people, and to realize that in order to have friends you have to have money. Hardship can happen to anyone, and it's terrible the way it alienates friends and loved ones when their love and support are needed the most. Most people see a creep here, but I see a person with a disability who no one with the authority to intervene cared about enough to at least try to learn what to do to help him and thereby save others. I see it all the time ...sad.
+Bikewithlove You should know that in interviews when he was promoting the movie, Steve Carell held the same opinion about John du Pont as you do. He mentioned thinking that he found it heartbreaking that he had no true friends to help him out, and that everyone was turning a blind eye to his mental illness. When you watch the movie Foxcatcher, I think it shows that he played du Pont with a lot of sympathy.
Bikewithlove if we only had more people like you in this crazy world! People are so quick to demonize the guy, but the hard, sad truth is in the foxcatcher tragedy it was certainly no winners! Of course my heart goes out to the Schulz family! I cannot even wrap my mind around the pain that's been brought to bear in that family, but it's such a travesty for the Dupont family as well, certainly in very different ways, but tragic and devastatingly sad as well! More awareness definitely needs to be allotted to the crippling effects and manifestations that are entailed in the mental diseases worldwide.
@@GrassPossum - Except that isn’t what I said at all. If you don’t need other people you wouldn’t have posted a reply. If you don’t need money then you wouldn’t have an internet connection. The point being that if you’re mentally ill, broke, and isolated, then you’re being let down in a way that makes everyone lose.
When you have 200 million dollars, people will refer to you as whatever you want them to. This guy was a pathetic schmuck who could only get people to talk to him by giving them money.
The worst part about this man was his sense of entitlement just because he was born into wealth and status. Just goes to show you respect can not be bought, only earned.
You can tell he's a guy who's never actually had to work for anything a day in his life. But his schizophrenia isn't immediately obvious. Watching this made me realize how good a job Steve Carrell did imitating the rhythm of his speech.
I think it's horrible what he did but I can't help but feel sorry for him bcuz I think he desperately tried to fit in and genuinely loved helping people but with the amount of inbreeding and isolation he was bound to become psychotic eventually and its quite sad
Im going in this with total ignorance and my only reference is some newspaper articles, the movie and now this and to me it seemed he didnt like to help as much as he helped ppl to feel like a human being but not out of selflesness
Yes because there is always a reason you shoot someone untill they die right.Its either mummy or daddy,priest or monk,neighbour or brother.Always someone around to give murderers a reason to kill.
Like I said in a post on the aborted process of the DuPont that committed incest on his three years old and got away with a tap on his hand,these guys show the signs of degeneration caused by inbreeding (intermarriages amongst the wealthy and/or the nobility . Any cultivated physionimist can detect many tell tale signs in their very facial features and demeanor . That is how dynasties disappear sooner or later because of this degeneration. Vice and lust are their common denominator and quite soon nature wins over the unpunished sinners regardless of their earthly power . Thank God ! Whether he exists or not !
i live in one of the wealthiest parts of the world. and we nave many examples of the same kind of ppl. many are on their 5th generations and will be the last as they have degenerated as you tell.
regolo gellini i wouldn't count families like the Kennedy's, Rockefeller or Roosevelts among the degenerate, they are the opposite, they have a purpose and no more trouble than the rank and file.
Usually big budget dramas like “Foxcatcher” overdo it with their subjects. Footage like this shows that, if anything, John was even weirder in real life.
Steve Carrell played Du Pont PERFECTLY in Foxcatcher, an incredible performance and I hope he get's the oscar for best actor as he definitely deserves this one.
Google "flat affect". He was either schizophrenic or autistic. I can hear people screaming for mentioning those two in the same sentence... despite it being true.
As i see this video i know realise that he was in autism spectrum.yes fredocorleone you hsve right.this quy doesnt feel anything ,no friends no feelings.thats why his mother like many parents do in wrongway treat him like this .she waa thinking that she protect him in rhis way
@@jasoncarswell7458 Hell no. I am not upset that they are in the same sentence. They both tend to deal with disassociation from societal standards. The only difference is Autistic people DO tend to be rather happy individuals. The whole Ignorance is Bliss is the best way i can explain after teaching and having two children who have autistic. Umm..he is freaking schizo as hell. His mother sheltering him and not handling the problem at hand...yeah..if he was autistic, that is what pushed him over the edge.
Remembering the farmer that worked for my dad part time and at the Dupont's full. Charlie used to see John in the barn and call him johnny. The morning after his mother passed away and Johnny was in the barn and Charlie said, "good morning Johnny sorry for your loss", Johnny turned around and said, "it is Mr Dupont to you!"
@@oldironsides4107so Mark left Foxcatcher in 1988 but Dave stayed up until his death in 1996? Is that correct? 8 years living under Jon Du Pont without any concerns for the welfare of their family?
Ben Mendelsohn would have also been a really good choice to play Du Pont. He has similar cheek bones, proven track record of playing creeps, and even has the same sort of lisp/drawl in his voice as Du Pont.
You're so right! Just finished watching Foxcatcher and thought Carell did a pretty good job. Although, whilst watching this video, Du Pont was reminding me of a couple actors and I just couldn't put my finger on who.
so Mark left Foxcatcher in 1988 but Dave stayed up until his death in 1996? Is that correct? 8 years living under Jon Du Pont without any concerns for the welfare of their family?
Steve Carell definitely portrayed John Du Pont as a caricature, making him look much more ridiculous, dark and creepy than he seems in this video. I loved the movie and Steve's performance, and I did take him seriously, but there was this undeniable hint of parody in the way Steve played him, it seemed deliberate. Especially the way he ran.
I grew up on the farm..my best friends mom was a maid in the big house..I knew John very well and I can assure you he was way creepier than Carell played him..as a middle school and high school wrestler Dave taught me so much..even more than my actual coach..those years were very interesting and very strange..John accused me and Jim of digging tunnels up to the big house and hiding behind the walls..at Christmas time John would drive from house to house in a WW11 era tank and deliver fruit cake to all his employees..my last day on the farm I was 17 years old and John pulled a gun on me..threatened to “put one between my eyes”..and not three months later he shot dave on his driveway in front of his wife and kids..the film made me ill when I saw it in the theater..never had a movie affect me like that before or since..
I never met Mark..but I can say that Dave made a positive impact on my life..and for a “bad kid” like me..he really helped me in many ways..rest in peace
I had a few minutes to spare before going to Foxcatcher on opening night (in Newtown Square, no less!) so I watched this with my fiancée. We were both bemused and bewildered, wondering how it would be possible for Carell to do him justice without making it a parody. Turned out to be my favorite movie of 2014. I love that the du Pont video in the movie catches the vibe of this one. Just made the whole experience that much more unsettling.
+John Sabp maybe so but why do you care if someone watched the movie and then felt for dave Schultz. maybe they were go young to hear about it back then.
John's wealthy mother died shortly after this video was made (in 1988) which began his disturbing downward spiral into madness & the murder of Dave Schultz.
If he could have held his unraveling brain together, he really could have gone down as one of the greatest "coaches" and philanthropists in modern history, which is what he really wanted.
I had to see this after watching FOXCATCHER ..which was a really great drama movie..a compelling story & really didn't notice at first that Steve Carell portrayed Du pont... Wow... .. I do believe that there was definitely same bloodline marriages going on in the Du pont family tree.
A life of giving shouldn't be suddenly erased because of one bad act done in actual medical insanity. Insane people don't get themselves help, they always need to be forced into treatment.
+Tim Ramich He was a narcissistic coke head who killed an innocent father of two children. I don't care what he gave to who.....he was a scumbag. Glad he died rotting in prison.
If you really want to understand who the Schultz brothers are and really what Mark thought and thinks of John du Pont you have to read the book Foxcatcher. Great book!
@@Dzpvideoso Mark left Foxcatcher in 1988 but Dave stayed up until his death in 1996? Is that correct? 8 years living under Jon Du Pont without any concerns for the welfare of their family?
I just finished watching Foxcatcher. Great film, although I can't see myself watching it again. Interesting but eerily weird. Thought it was funny how there is a documentary tie, in just like The Fighter (2010). A great film as well, bit more easy to watch. Both documentaries after watching give me a very surreal feeling. Almost like these stories are so crazy it's as if they could only happened in the movies when in fact it was real life beforehand. Hard to explain.
Idk if anyone's interested, but I actually live in Delaware (DuPont is like everything to DE) and John used to come into the Italian Bistro in the mall where my mom worked and order a shit ton of food, talk to himself, harass waitresses, and NEVER tip lol not really relevant to the foxcatcher story, but I always found that interesting
Thanks for the video. Very haunting seeing this right after the film. I don't believe Steve Carrell managed to capture the real John at all. John seemed more alive, didn't freeze in that weird look "up" from the movie, and even his nose seems quite ordinary and well within the usual variations found in people, not at all as big as portrayed in the film.
@@iluvtriggeringpeople7so Mark left Foxcatcher in 1988 but Dave stayed up until his death in 1996? Is that correct? 8 years living under Jon Du Pont without any concerns for the welfare of his family? When did Dave move his family there & why did they stay for so long if there was clear evidence that Du Pont was unpredictable?
This is what happens when you hand your kid everything, let other people raise them and give them a sense they are special for absolutely no reason. And we wonder why so many kids today are screwed up.
Dude had "CREEPY FUCKER" stamped all over him. If he hadn't been rich, nobody would have gotten within 100 yards of him.
Demont Washington If he hadn't been rich he probably would have had a more healthy upbringing and thus been much more normal.
He is responsible for his actions, but just about anybody raised so isolated and so rich is going to be messed up and unable to connect with normal people.
esotericVideos being of a lower income wouldn't have mattered much, as studies have shown that the lower you are on the socio-economic ladder, the higher the risk of both physical and mental illness.
however, from what i can understand he had a big drinking problem, and that drinking problem was probably for a reason, so he did it to cope. he probably suffered some trauma in his life, and things turned out as they did.
either way, what i think we all can agree on here, is that this society of our's, sure knows how to fuck our people up good.
Snuggle bum well said.
Demont Washington that's years of inbreeding
jose cruz yeah dude that's exactly what I thought.
Ornithologist, philatelist, philanthropist
spidercentz he forgot to add fellatiolist.
spidercentz Conchologist.
Ornitholigist, philatelist, cocaine, philanthropist
spidercentz You forgot Homicidal and Lunatic....
spidercentz and dont forget muderer
This should come as part of the "Extras" on the Foxcatcher DVD.
He acts like Mr.Burns from the Simpsons
+Xenom Menace Then you should be able to understand it better
You're spot on. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Burns was modeled off DuPont. I just got done watching the Team Foxcatcher doc on Netflix and my first thought was Mr. Burns. The nose and face, not to mention the hunchback and fraigility. Even the personality.
That is Jacob de Rothschild
@@pooperscooper405 no it is Jacob de Rothschild
@@pooperscooper405 literally 3 facial birthmarks away from a middle-aged Monty.
Most revealing bit: the fishing scene, where he exerts his athletic prowess of the fish, and force them to lose. Very creepy fella, seemed doomed to insanity.
Anyone who's ever fished can take one look at that fruitloop and the way he holds the rod and tell you he's no man. How dare I say that? Sorry, not woke. Look's like a fruitcake.......
@@djahnsen he was a fruit that's why he surrounded himself with wrestlers he WASN'T a wrestler he just liked to look at then
@@scothammond4623Being gay isn't the same as being an insane murderer. Obviously.
@matttriano yes but if you believe in Christ then you'll know that being gay is written to of come from evil and goes along with it. The drugs, the sexuality, and the willingness to take a life. They all go together...
wow after Foxcatcher to see this is WAYYYYY creepy
+Dtrollmancan yeah i thought so too , ugh
Dtrollmancan right
Dtrollmancan - you can tell he seems off and yes foxcatcher makes it way more wierd knowing this was taken before he murders
Did the talk about sexual abuse. John left his fortune to some..bulgarian wrestler who stayed on the farm .
I didn't see Fox Catcher, and it's STILL way creepy. 😳
"John likes to get in on the action to show the students how it's really done" lmao he knew nothing about wrestling
Lmao word, dude was so narcissistic and delusional he would have fixed amateur matches in order to prove he was somehow a good wrestler. Because he would always lose otherwise.
USMCLP I have been looking for those online but only see short clips.
@LostDutchman No idea man, Schultz family and those around him probably kept the full tapes. I just know for sure that it really did happen.
Zach Smith “how to get thrown without getting hurt.” Lmaoo
lol
Carrell's performance was spot on besides the voice. Du Pont's voice is MUCH deeper than his. But he nailed Du Pont's weird mannerisms though, and his creepy......slow.....two words.... at a....time......speaking.....habbit.....
He also got that slightly nasally quality just right. I suppose there's not much he could do to make his voice deeper, though.
I think the voice was fine, Carrell has that voice and I think it made it even a little creepier.
Hahaha Yeah that speak pause speak pause is unusual maybe his cognitive thought process skipped like a scratched CD.
***** LOL
Make up? Of course, that is called movies. Sorry for the resemblance - you see John Dupont couldn't play himself.
Rest In Peace David Schultz, a great man so senselessly killed
I know what you mean, but that phrase is so misleading. "Senselessly" doesn't truly label the "killing", nor accurately describe the heinous crime of *maniacal murder.*
Absolutely! RIP
"I do not share.... my mother's affection for horseflesh."
"I'll have you know."
Completely batshit insane. Dead eyes that look right through you. Characteristic schizophrenic "flat affect" coupled with bizarre bursts of inexplicable enthusiasm. Obviously stilted and disordered speech. Other posters have it right: if he hadn't been rich, nobody would have been willing to walk on the same side of the street as this lunatic.
Creepiest shit ever.
Reference to her preference for animals instead of humans.
ndts ndts fuxk you
It's like propaganda film.
+Karrington Tucker That's exactly what it's like.
He probably paid someone off to get this special.
not really. I mean, had this guy not killed someone you'd definitely think otherwise. Its not like he secretly plotted to create a wrestling team just to kill a man.
It’s called a puff piece.
I just finished Mark Shultz’s book he mentions this. It’s totally a propaganda film.
Mr. Montgomery Burns + wrestling = John E du Pont
Make it happen !!!
Smithers
2'50, I could totally picture a man with a bottle of oxygen underwater, that he'd paid of course, to attach a fish to the hook.
Haha
Lmao
Steve Carrell for best lead performance!
"Uhp, got a fish! Uhp...got away."
He seemed a bit more cheerful than Carell portrayed him.
Just in this propaganda video.
He was younger then
Carrell's portrayal is essentially the latest years before the murder
Look up video of him in the mid 90’s. He is even weirder then and his speech is even more deliberate and his smile is permanent and is always looking down his nose.
Honestly he seems more pathetic than sinister here
That's because du Pont is trying to be nice 😂
Watching this after seeing Foxcatcher makes me realize how amazing of a job Steve Carell did with his portrayal of John. Chilling.
kelseylanelle I don't think so I don't think you did a good job at all this guy that it's showing is nothing like in the movie The guy in the movie had no feelings or emotions of any kind this guy here seems to kid around and he seems like he is true feelings let alone did he even do what they said I wonder if he was set up by the elitist that he I know he is an elitist but I wonder if he was set up by them for some reason I don't know what it would be but sometimes they do stuff like that
I agree 💯 did you see how at the end of the movie they said Dave survived but in reality he didn't
Acting sure is a talent
@@tevinfong4390 it said that Dave was “survived by his wife and children” meaning they outlived him.
Lol no. Totally disagree. He didn’t look or act like John du Pont at all. Carell did great. But the writing and makeup were horrible. This guy is way different than carells version.
To the people saying how normal jon is in this video please note that he made this himself. Funded it basically propaganda for himself. Of course he would use only the best takes and everything said would positive. Steve Carell blew this out of the water. Seriously you guys think this video proves he was a normal dude? It's obviously his own little version of jon E DUPONT PROPAGANDA. You guys are so gullible.
I almost feel bad for Du Pont. The wrestling craze was him acting out and unconsciously crying for help. He was a sad lonely man strangled by his delusions. The wrestlers thought he was an eccentric harmless fool and they were only too happy to accept his financial assistance so they could achieve their dreams of success. Who wouldn't? They weren't psychiatrists and tragically how could they know that he was a ticking bomb? It was up to Du Pont to face his issues and but he didn't. He could have saved himself from himself. So although I almost feel bad for him I don't.
Dupont had a mental illness and he crack that is what happened.
You are conflating his interests with his moment of madness.
I think the fact they had the liberty of being able to pick and choose the best takes and all that and STILL have him coming out of it looking quite... odd, and creepy says a fair bit.
Dude he sounds creepy as fuck :s
Your comment is well observed. The best !
You see in the movie his presentations are through his eyes, his editing, like a political informercial.
And this self promo was probably made when he was somewhat rational, and before the chronology Foxcatcher covers.
I'm curious to know if Mark Schultz's displeasure with Bennett Miller portrayal of him
And the innuendos is current or his reaction when the movie first came out.
I empathize with mark Schultz though, he was in Villanovas wrestling program, he says that's why he came out to foxcatcher.
Obviously there are dramatizations based on true events.
I have more respect for Carrell's performance after watching this. He got his mannerisms and dialect down pat. It's like a drugged Mr. Rogers.
I was so moved by the way Steve Carell portrayed John du Pont that in the middle of it I googled JdP. Wow, I knew SC could act but seeing this video makes me appreciate him at a whole other level. It is so easy to act out the character as a caricature and, in the case of JdP, it would have been very easy to play him in such a way. Had that happened, so much would have been missed in terms of seeing the deep lessons JdP's life provides as it wove in and contrasted against the lives of Dave and Mark Schultz.
At the heart of it, is the heart of it. For all the wealth and luxury that the du Pont's were living in, the mother and son were incapable of truly experiencing love for themselves or each other. The Schultz had what the du Ponts were missing in their life -- unconditional love for each other. The du Ponts had what the Schultz were short of in their life -- economic support.
It is fascinating to watch how authorities/military personnel were willing to accept and kowtow to the behaviour of JdP bec of all the money he was pouring into their pockets. Any other individual who behaved anywhere near how JdP behaved would be put in his place or ignored or locked up in an institution. It is very obvious JdP had the emotional intelligence and maturity of a seven year old child; he was childish, NOT child like. It is also quite clear that his own mother was not very emotionally intelligent nor mature herself -- she could not love her son for exactly the way he wanted to be. The scene where they talk about JdP's train set and what to do with it was an incredibly powerful statement about the majority of how most parent-child relationships are. Parent wants child to be X and child wants parent to be seen and accepted as Y. Each one demanding their worth be given by the other.
#channingtatum, #markruffalo and #bennetmiller, #thankyou for this absolutely unforgettable movie. Amazing work .
Worth the read
Worth the read! Yes! So well said
Definitely worth the read! Great comment
I’m still confused about what happened between 1988 & 1996. Mark left in 1988 but his brother Dave stayed with wife & kids 8 more years before he was murdered?? I still don’t get the motive for the murder & why there were no red flags or ignored red flags for 8 years??
It feels like John paid for this video to show how cool he is. “Please someone be my friend.” The ad.
John had a lot of friends.
@@seancrowley1068 paid friends
He did
The real life Norman Bates.
Haha!
Nick Falletta the real life Norman Bates is Ed Gein
The way he takes his athletic tenacity to the fish is captivating.... if I could only put more of my athletic tenacity into my fishing I'd be such a better fisherman!
Mate, he's a guy holding a fishing rod, dipped in the water, that doesn't make him a fisherman. I'm not a keen fisherman, but I can see a total tonk easily enough. He's lucky they're only small fish or he'd end up losing that athletic contest.
@@GrassPossum boy, that FLEW WAAAAAYYY over your head, mate. The guy was being SARCASTIC.
@@ainnochaim9450 LOL.... thanks for clarifying it for this guy..... didn't think it was possible to not see the sarcasm there
“But there’s one catch…”
See what he did there?
Athletic Tinasity… Hahaha
"John has graciously allowed our camera's into his house." LOLOLOLOL! As he PAID himself to make this video
I just saw the movie last night,,, I read a lot about John dupont in Wikipedia and now saw this interview. The story is unique and fabulously sad.
It is sad ! That with all that wealth, he couldn't buy happiness, friends or family ! Why NOTHING of that was taken into consideration by court?&how come a billionaire like him couldn't get out of jail after a while????
@@StrongSoftLily I don't feel sorry for him, I think he deserved what he got. I need to watch the movie again, hope i can find it on Netflix.
Hearing him talking about fishing really illuminated the mindset of this sociopath. He really was an overgrown kid who felt that he could do anything and get away with it
100 percent correct.
Just the way he talks about “mother”. If you saw that in a movie you’d say it was hacky Hollywood writing, but no, this dude really did have a whole Norman Bates thing for real.
What’s interesting is this highlights all of his donations and generosity, knowing now that’s how he bought influence and a blind eye to his obvious mental condition.
And he somewhat did. He was rich enough to make the police go easy on him after the murder.
Yo Steve Carroll crushed that shit
I can dig it, homes! I'm down with the get down!
Actually, the hospital commissioned the video at duPont's request because he donated money to build a trauma center. DuPont never participated in the edit session and there were very few outtakes.
adam brothwood That IS the uploader! Duh!
It didn't seem like there were too many outtakes lol
Dave Speace I think you dismiss the realit of this - have a look at the wrestling and opnbeing sections near the beginning of this short. Note the adjectives used by the narrator. "Outdoorsman" and other terms build up JOhn as a running the company business and conquering everything else. Thi was clearly written by John - everything the narrator says! This is what he did. Guy is remarkable - do you know if there is any truth to rumor he is a eunach- casused by a horse accident? thanks
big trade
No... John DuPont did not write the voice-over for this. All his on-camera talking was extemporaneous... no script. Everything was done in one take!
Hey Dave are you sick fuck to!!!!????
I am a firm believer that humans need something to struggle and strive to achieve. Being born with so much wealth with no requirement to ever make something out of himself, that played a big part in insanity.
"You got a problem with me?"
I heard about this case as a kid, and seeing it now after everything I've learned in life is that this man's story is a deeply sad indictment on both the way society still marginalizes and virtually ignores mental illness, and how vulnerable and sycophantic people are by nature. One of the most important things people need is other people, and to realize that in order to have friends you have to have money. Hardship can happen to anyone, and it's terrible the way it alienates friends and loved ones when their love and support are needed the most. Most people see a creep here, but I see a person with a disability who no one with the authority to intervene cared about enough to at least try to learn what to do to help him and thereby save others. I see it all the time ...sad.
+Bikewithlove You should know that in interviews when he was promoting the movie, Steve Carell held the same opinion about John du Pont as you do. He mentioned thinking that he found it heartbreaking that he had no true friends to help him out, and that everyone was turning a blind eye to his mental illness. When you watch the movie Foxcatcher, I think it shows that he played du Pont with a lot of sympathy.
Fuck him may he burn in hell
Bikewithlove if we only had more people like you in this crazy world! People are so quick to demonize the guy, but the hard, sad truth is in the foxcatcher tragedy it was certainly no winners! Of course my heart goes out to the Schulz family! I cannot even wrap my mind around the pain that's been brought to bear in that family, but it's such a travesty for the Dupont family as well, certainly in very different ways, but tragic and devastatingly sad as well! More awareness definitely needs to be allotted to the crippling effects and manifestations that are entailed in the mental diseases worldwide.
I don't need people, or money. Because I realised what you say is right.
@@GrassPossum - Except that isn’t what I said at all. If you don’t need other people you wouldn’t have posted a reply. If you don’t need money then you wouldn’t have an internet connection. The point being that if you’re mentally ill, broke, and isolated, then you’re being let down in a way that makes everyone lose.
Just finished Foxcatcher, had to find out more about the characters after seeing it so many thanks for the up load!
Philadelphias FavoriteSon His "philanthropy" wasn't about helping the less fortunate. It was about trying to buy love and respect to feed his ego.
Ornithologist, philatelist, philanthropist.
When you have 200 million dollars, people will refer to you as whatever you want them to. This guy was a pathetic schmuck who could only get people to talk to him by giving them money.
The worst part about this man was his sense of entitlement just because he was born into wealth and status. Just goes to show you respect can not be bought, only earned.
Life is a pay to win game.
You can tell he's a guy who's never actually had to work for anything a day in his life. But his schizophrenia isn't immediately obvious. Watching this made me realize how good a job Steve Carrell did imitating the rhythm of his speech.
Thanks Dave for posting this video it has given folks a chance to see the real John Du Pont...
I think it's horrible what he did but I can't help but feel sorry for him bcuz I think he desperately tried to fit in and genuinely loved helping people but with the amount of inbreeding and isolation he was bound to become psychotic eventually and its quite sad
Im going in this with total ignorance and my only reference is some newspaper articles, the movie and now this and to me it seemed he didnt like to help as much as he helped ppl to feel like a human being but not out of selflesness
Yeah that's true
That 's very true and insightful, But those around him knew well about his condition.
agreed.
Yes because there is always a reason you shoot someone untill they die right.Its either mummy or daddy,priest or monk,neighbour or brother.Always someone around to give murderers a reason to kill.
He looks like a young Mr. Burns.
Thanks for putting this up, very interesting.
Who else came here after watching Foxcatcher movie ????
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Smruti Sahoo i did lol
No one. Only you.
I did
Kids, don't beg for internet points by asking who else is watching something because of this or that, no one cares WHY you watch, just watch.
Like I said in a post on the aborted process of the DuPont that committed incest on his three years old and got away with a tap on his hand,these guys show the signs of degeneration caused by inbreeding (intermarriages amongst the wealthy and/or the nobility . Any cultivated physionimist can detect many tell tale signs in their very facial features and demeanor . That is how dynasties disappear sooner or later because of this degeneration. Vice and lust are their common denominator and quite soon nature wins over the unpunished sinners regardless of their earthly power . Thank God ! Whether he exists or not !
i live in one of the wealthiest parts of the world. and we nave many examples of the same kind of ppl. many are on their 5th generations and will be the last as they have degenerated as you tell.
Look at the fate of the Kennedys !
regolo gellini i wouldn't count families like the Kennedy's, Rockefeller or Roosevelts among the degenerate, they are the opposite, they have a purpose and no more trouble than the rank and file.
I was talking of disgrace and precocious deaths as well as alcholism and drug abuse . Homicide,suicides,deaths by accident .
I am saying that he represent the doom of his race he is an assassin and deserve to pay !
This reminds me of those 80s training videos from Wendy's, pizza hut, old country buffet, etc.
Usually big budget dramas like “Foxcatcher” overdo it with their subjects.
Footage like this shows that, if anything, John was even weirder in real life.
Watching this after the Foxcatcher movie is super creepy and trippy.
Who didn't look at him and think .............creepy guy !
Steve Carrell played Du Pont PERFECTLY in Foxcatcher, an incredible performance and I hope he get's the oscar for best actor as he definitely deserves this one.
Lol no. He didn’t.
As perfect as he played the role apparently the movie has done nothing but piss off the victims family....
@@alfoster09how?
The voice is completely wrong.
@@MintyFreshTurdsi agree even tho i like Steve alot
He appears to have some sort of autism spectrum disorder.
His facial expressions are basically turned off.
Google "flat affect". He was either schizophrenic or autistic.
I can hear people screaming for mentioning those two in the same sentence... despite it being true.
His mother had him at 41.
As i see this video i know realise that he was in autism spectrum.yes fredocorleone you hsve right.this quy doesnt feel anything ,no friends no feelings.thats why his mother like many parents do in wrongway treat him like this .she waa thinking that she protect him in rhis way
Inbreeding
@@jasoncarswell7458 Hell no. I am not upset that they are in the same sentence. They both tend to deal with disassociation from societal standards. The only difference is Autistic people DO tend to be rather happy individuals. The whole Ignorance is Bliss is the best way i can explain after teaching and having two children who have autistic. Umm..he is freaking schizo as hell. His mother sheltering him and not handling the problem at hand...yeah..if he was autistic, that is what pushed him over the edge.
So trippy watching this right after watching Foxcatcher.
Remembering the farmer that worked for my dad part time and at the Dupont's full. Charlie used to see John in the barn and call him johnny. The morning after his mother passed away and Johnny was in the barn and Charlie said, "good morning Johnny sorry for your loss", Johnny turned around and said, "it is Mr Dupont to you!"
No kidding, wow
@@tnlone no way. this guy is a liar. or his dad is, if he even has a dad.
@@tiananmanYou know he is lying, how?
@@amado4249 call it a sickth sense
The funniest part of this whole thing is at 1:05, when he starts speaking with fluidity... He recognizes it and gets super excited hahaha
You’re off on this…
he's just remembering and is proud of all he is saying
This just feels like a Tim and Eric sketch... Especially after watching Foxcatcher.
Wow yes it really does. That undercurrent of frustration. Good call
Foxcatcher! Great movie and a remarkable story. This guy was so nuts!
If he was so nuts then why did Dave Shultz keep his wife & kids there for 8 years??
If you want to understand the whole idea of Du Pont, read the autobiography of Mark Schultz 'FOXCATCHER' because it explains everything
Mark has an agenda against DuPont.
He’s bitter and petty to DuPont probably because he murdered his brother.
@@oldironsides4107so Mark left Foxcatcher in 1988 but Dave stayed up until his death in 1996? Is that correct? 8 years living under Jon Du Pont without any concerns for the welfare of their family?
"Oh... got a fish. Oh... got away"
Ben Mendelsohn would have also been a really good choice to play Du Pont. He has similar cheek bones, proven track record of playing creeps, and even has the same sort of lisp/drawl in his voice as Du Pont.
You're so right! Just finished watching Foxcatcher and thought Carell did a pretty good job. Although, whilst watching this video, Du Pont was reminding me of a couple actors and I just couldn't put my finger on who.
That’s a great observation!
I'm pretty sure they even used the same music in this video that they used in the video in the movie. Incredible.
I saw the movie FOXCATCHER last night it was done very well! You guys must see it! Sad of what happened.
so Mark left Foxcatcher in 1988 but Dave stayed up until his death in 1996? Is that correct? 8 years living under Jon Du Pont without any concerns for the welfare of their family?
Steve Carell definitely portrayed John Du Pont as a caricature, making him look much more ridiculous, dark and creepy than he seems in this video. I loved the movie and Steve's performance, and I did take him seriously, but there was this undeniable hint of parody in the way Steve played him, it seemed deliberate. Especially the way he ran.
I bet you wouldn't think so if you watch the Netflix version check it out that's for Nancy Schultz videotaped a lot of him creepier than ever
I grew up on the farm..my best friends mom was a maid in the big house..I knew John very well and I can assure you he was way creepier than Carell played him..as a middle school and high school wrestler Dave taught me so much..even more than my actual coach..those years were very interesting and very strange..John accused me and Jim of digging tunnels up to the big house and hiding behind the walls..at Christmas time John would drive from house to house in a WW11 era tank and deliver fruit cake to all his employees..my last day on the farm I was 17 years old and John pulled a gun on me..threatened to “put one between my eyes”..and not three months later he shot dave on his driveway in front of his wife and kids..the film made me ill when I saw it in the theater..never had a movie affect me like that before or since..
I never met Mark..but I can say that Dave made a positive impact on my life..and for a “bad kid” like me..he really helped me in many ways..rest in peace
Not true at all. This is one video. Trust me he acted the way Steve did
@@toddfeehley4810yeah but the actual documentary he portrayed him in a creepy way rather than this upbeat propagandish coach
This is great! Thanks for the upload.
Steve mentioned that there were outtakes, do you know of them?
Anyways thanks again.
An interview on The Howard Stern show, Steve Carrell said that this was the main source for his interpretation of Du Pont
good work. thanks for sharing. must be surreal for you.
It was a very interesting assignment at the time. Of course, who knew that the John E Dupont story would end the way it did?11!
He's literally Mr.Burns.
I had a few minutes to spare before going to Foxcatcher on opening night (in Newtown Square, no less!) so I watched this with my fiancée. We were both bemused and bewildered, wondering how it would be possible for Carell to do him justice without making it a parody. Turned out to be my favorite movie of 2014. I love that the du Pont video in the movie catches the vibe of this one. Just made the whole experience that much more unsettling.
Who else is watching this after watching Team Foxcatcher in Netflix?🙋🏽♂️🙋🏼♀️
Just you
This is surreal...
+John Sabp maybe so but why do you care if someone watched the movie and then felt for dave Schultz. maybe they were go young to hear about it back then.
+John Sabp than u should appreciate the concern even more .
You filmed him? holy crap, this man was creepy.
"It would be my hope that no one would ever have to go through it"......damn that's eerie.
Incrível essa imagem, especialmente para quem acabou de assistir ao filme!
I wonder if Jerry Sandusky ever visited the foxcatcher farm???
Right after watching the movie &got touched by how one mistake would turn a whole life upside down 😩 I'm watching this video. Who else did that?
After watching Foxcatcher, I find this to be so... eerie.
If someone looks harmless they're probably a psychopath.
+Quiet One To a paranoid schizophrenic maybe.
man did bennit miller do a great job portraying his films in a identical light to their real counter figures
6:01 "John himself even likes to get in on the action once in a while, to show the students how it's really done. For example, how to get thrown."
😂😂😂
John's wealthy mother died shortly after this video was made (in 1988) which began his disturbing downward spiral into madness & the murder of Dave Schultz.
Steve Carell captured him perfectly in the movie Foxcatcher.
12:30 "unless some massive casualty happens nearby"
If he could have held his unraveling brain together, he really could have gone down as one of the greatest "coaches" and philanthropists in modern history, which is what he really wanted.
Just finished watching Fox Catcher. The movie and acting was very well done, but it was sad and tragic story.
What a story Michael
Steve Carell did a great job
Caio Caos agreed
Man, I was so surprised!
Knowing what we later know...scary...
I had to see this after watching FOXCATCHER ..which was a really great drama movie..a compelling story & really didn't notice at first that Steve Carell portrayed Du pont... Wow... .. I do believe that there was definitely same bloodline marriages going on in the Du pont family tree.
not sure about bloodline marriages, but cocaine was surely involved
Wow Steve carrells inflections were perfect. Same with the brief pauses in speech
This really does seem like the video from the movie where he tried to make himself look great.
A life of giving shouldn't be suddenly erased because of one bad act done in actual medical insanity. Insane people don't get themselves help, they always need to be forced into treatment.
He contributed a lot and did good. That should never be ignored.
+Tim Ramich He was a narcissistic coke head who killed an innocent father of two children. I don't care what he gave to who.....he was a scumbag. Glad he died rotting in prison.
@TheWitherling true, look at Jimmy Saville
“A bright prospect for the US Olympic team in the 1960s, John was unable to pursue his dream due to an injury” 😂😂😂😂 Prospect my A**!
If you really want to understand who the Schultz brothers are and really what Mark thought and thinks of John du Pont you have to read the book Foxcatcher. Great book!
What did Dave think of John I wonder. He stayed on his property for 8 years. Must not have thought too badly of him…
What a crazy story and a facinating movie!
This is a good example of how news stations make killers look like heroes.
This video was shot way before du Pont became a killer!
Dave Speace it was two years before the shooting i know, but he already had psychological problems. Just see him talk.
@@Dzpvideoso Mark left Foxcatcher in 1988 but Dave stayed up until his death in 1996? Is that correct? 8 years living under Jon Du Pont without any concerns for the welfare of their family?
“Hello my name is John Du Pont, I’m a creep with mental illness”
Then why Did Dave Shultz keep his family there for 8 years if it was clear that he was off his rocker?
I just finished watching Foxcatcher. Great film, although I can't see myself watching it again. Interesting but eerily weird. Thought it was funny how there is a documentary tie, in just like The Fighter (2010). A great film as well, bit more easy to watch. Both documentaries after watching give me a very surreal feeling. Almost like these stories are so crazy it's as if they could only happened in the movies when in fact it was real life beforehand. Hard to explain.
Idk if anyone's interested, but I actually live in Delaware (DuPont is like everything to DE) and John used to come into the Italian Bistro in the mall where my mom worked and order a shit ton of food, talk to himself, harass waitresses, and NEVER tip lol not really relevant to the foxcatcher story, but I always found that interesting
Was that in Concord mall or Christiana mall?
Did he try to get laid by the waitress?
They also think he was gay?
Yo im from Middletown DE
Christiana Mall haha ITL Bistro remember that! From NJ
0:52 he is reading his lines... 😳 Man, really spooky if you know his story and the film "Foxcatcher" ...
Thanks for the video. Very haunting seeing this right after the film. I don't believe Steve Carrell managed to capture the real John at all. John seemed more alive, didn't freeze in that weird look "up" from the movie, and even his nose seems quite ordinary and well within the usual variations found in people, not at all as big as portrayed in the film.
He has a hoagie nose
Not to mention if ppl do their research, They will find the movie was flawed. For the fact that Dave and Mark were NEVER at the farm at the same time.
@@iluvtriggeringpeople7so Mark left Foxcatcher in 1988 but Dave stayed up until his death in 1996? Is that correct? 8 years living under Jon Du Pont without any concerns for the welfare of his family? When did Dave move his family there & why did they stay for so long if there was clear evidence that Du Pont was unpredictable?
Surprised the commentator didn't say John was going to treat one of the trauma patients on film to show the Drs. how it is done.
This is what happens when you hand your kid everything, let other people raise them and give them a sense they are special for absolutely no reason. And we wonder why so many kids today are screwed up.
favorite place to relax after a HARD DAY lolololol
He sounds like such a cool guy in this video , its cool that there was so many videos made with John , to see his psychoness
So you’re assuming he had no drugs in his system at the time of Dave’s murder? Is this a proven fact?
So that was outstandingly frightening post watching Foxcatcher.
3:44 I like to image that they added that sound to cover up for a cameraman laughing at him when he references his “athletic tenacity”.