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If Ramayana is history then why we haven't find any archeological evidence in Janakpur ( my hometown) as it is exact Mithila mentioned in Ramayana. I mean there should be at least some evidence of any ancient palaces there . If it's not history please don't spread lie .
Thats a proper Sashtrarth.... NO SHOUTING NO FIGHTING EVERYTHING CALM, RESPECTABLE AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND our culture always had this system... . Kepe doing it!!!!!
I bow down to these two great researchers who are open and willing to discuss. It shows they are genuinely open to find the solution. The scientific community, historians and archeologists need to imbibe this mindset. Kaal chakra badal raha hai!!
@@HyperQuestBhai aap podcast par in 2 guest ko bualo choice aapki hai 2nd me Bcz ishwar par sabse bada confusion hai nirakar or saakar par A 1st guest - पौराणिक से -- SHIVANSH ( AVAAAN CALL OF DHARMA ) RUclips CHANNEL 2nd guest -arya समाज से - acharya yogesh Bhardwaj or acharya prashant or vinay arya or acharya agnivrat or mohit gaur.
I have been following Sri Nilesh Nilkanth Oak for the last three years, and he seems more convincing to me. 5561 BCE...❤️❤️❤️ I hope all the researchers cooperate with each other instead of feeling jealous. United we stand; divided we fall. 🙌
If we see by Arundhati-Vasisttha Star Observation, then Mahabharat can't take place after 4500 BCE. Arundhati Vasistha gives us time frame of 11,000 BCE - 4500 BCE.
@SOCCERHub803 Huh, study some basic archaeoastronomy, brother, and understand what Arundhati-Vasistha is. Regarding the Arundhati-Vasistha (Alcor-Mizar) twin star system, observe its movement in the night sky. If someone lacks knowledge in a particular field, they should refrain from speaking about it. I haven’t shared this information with you without reason. If you simply want to mock without understanding, I have no solution for this problem. I would recommend one basic observation to you: "The Epoch of Arundhati and Vasistha." If you are interested, you can go through it; otherwise, I don’t care.
Nilesh Oak ji's date seems to have more evidence than Vedveer ji's date on Mahabharat and is more convincing. However Vedveer ji's explainations of the changing calandar is a separate theory and its is very very logical and explains a lots of things right from Mauryan times to the medevial times. Nilesh ji and Ved veer ji koti koti pranam to both of you for the bhagirath efforts you are putting for Bharat. Koti Koti prnam to HyperQuest team and Vishal ji too for bringing these two grear Rishi's of our time.
Mai samajhta hun debate ke roop mei discussion bohat jaruri hai and this is the right way to go about..nahi toh log apna apna narrative chala kar apni superiority dikha kar nikal lete hai. Proper shastra honi chahiye. this is why I appriciate your efforts for bringing such a meaningful podcast, GREAT !
भाईसाहब सब बम बम हो गया ३ घंटे में🤣😅🙏... वेदवीर जी की बात समझने के लिए गुरुकुल जाना पड़ेगा😅🙏 (ज्योतिष ज्ञान वाला सेक्शन)..... आप दोनों ( नीलेशजी,वेदवीरजी) का दिल से आभार 🙏 समझ में जितनी भी आई हो लेकिन कॉन्फिडेंस भरपूर आ गया कि ये ग्रन्थ हमारे इतिहास ही हैं । (पारंपरिक समकालीन इतिहास + वैज्ञानिकी विवेचना (रिसर्च पेपर) + महाकाव्य में व्यास जी द्वारा दिए तिथि दर्शन => हमारा इतिहास ) अतिविशिष्ट!! धन्यवाद हाइपरक्वेस्ट टीम 🙏
Thank you Nileshji for bringing pride and logical debates comparable to shashtraths back in fashion. I hope and wish that the date you presented is proven with the less developed scientific methods today in the near future. Bow down to you that apne itne shashtra kanthasta kiye hai and understand them which is more important. Thank you for making vedic era and sanatan cool again. Best podcast I have ever seen in my life, by far. Ved Veer ji ko sat sat naman and hope and urge the government to make Sanskrit learning mandatory soon so that this treasure of knowledge from our ancestors is not lost to future generations. I have learnt Sanskrit and my daughter is learning it too. Thank you both of you.
This is a very high quality podcast. There are many nuances related to dating of Mahabharat due to different kinds of interpretations. It's really great to see two scholars (Vidwaans) debating like this without disrespecting each other, unlike stupid fights on twitter nowadays. This kind of content was limited to books, closed source scholarly papers, peer reviewing and refutation of papers. However, publishing it in video platform humbles as well as inspires a lot! Thank you so much Nilesh Oak ji, Vedveer Arya Ji! Kudos to Hyper Quest for putting it this way in public domain!
Is manch ka sahi me bohut bohut aabshyakta thaa . In dono mahaa prangya manishi ko ak hi platform me lana aur wo bhi Vaad k liye , just amazing . Awesome.
this is the proper way of making debates happening and letting people think and form their own opinions and judgements thank you hyperquest from jammu.
It's clear that entire foreign institute for astronomy and foreign universities don't want to prove that Bharat was much much older than their 4000bc biblical theory. And they defend their insecurities with vigor.
Wow 🔥🔥❤🙏🏻 Vishal Bhaiya, I was waiting for this.. so much 😍 Such an amazing podcast.. I'm going to listen to this multiple times to fully thoroughly understand & enjoy every bit of this genius podcast.. 🔥 Huge fan of Nilesh Oak sir 🔥🙏🏻❤ Thanks a lot 🙏🌹❤
Thank you Nileshji for bringing pride and logical debates comparable to shashtraths back in fashion. I hope and wish that the date you presented is proven with the less developed scientific methods today in the near future. Bow down to you that apne itne shashtra kanthasta kiye hai and understand them which is more important. Thank you for making vedic era and sanatan cool again. Best podcast I have ever seen in my life, by far. Ved Veer ji ko sat sat naman and hope and urge the government to make Sanskrit learning mandatory soon so that this treasure of knowledge from our ancestors is not lost to future generations. I have learnt Sanskrit and my daughter is learning it too. Thank you both of you.
Vishal thank you so much for indulging these two masterminds in a classical debate and fact session. Niskarsh jo bhi le apne man ke hisab se par gyaan ko bahot praapt hua aur adhik vedic paramparo pe garv badha. Thank you so much. I can proudly say that this is the best podcast I have ever seen, hands down! BEST EVER.
This is real Sanatani approach *No oppression or suppression of knowledge* *But fierce academic debate to bring out the truth & knowledge* Like SAGAR MANTHAN this is KNOWLEDGE MANTHAN
बहुत धन्यवाद इन महान विद्वानों को एकसाथ बैठाकर चर्चा करने के लिए। सार्थक व जटिल चर्चा रही। दोनों को समझने के लिए ज्योतिष का जितना ज्ञान चाहिए, वह सामान्य लोगों के पास नहीं है।
Amazing podcast, such researcher should be promoted by government. Government must form a body of such intelligent and logical researchers then come to a common understanding of timeline. Remove all the mistakes in the dating and timeline of the Bhartiya civilisation, various events in Indian Itihaas and publish common book, which should be guiding for the future generations, and there should not be any ambiguity. Panchal and Astro studies should be included in the syllabus of students.
These are two legends who are actively preaching that its not mythology its our history and some german guy says it can't be true 😂. This is how discussion should be done, no shouting, no cursing, everyone listens to each other. Thankyou @HyperQuest to bring up this conversation would love to listen more such discussions on our history and science.
I truly enjoyed this programme. Exellent , Amazing, proud of You.The programme covers more than several insights in Ramayana and Mahabharata. I have watched the programme several times since I am learning something new every time. Thank You Thank You Thank You 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏,🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳💝💗❣️💐🌹
Bhai indian history ki book me to padhate nahi mahabharat ke bare me. NCERT se le kar hindi medium tak nahi padhate. Jab ki 2014 se modi ji ki sarkar he hinduvadi logo ki sarkar he aaj 2025 chal raha he.
Yes, but if Nilesh ji's dating is correct, then as Vedveer ji pointed out, another problem arises, that it would mean that all the texts and references post mahabharat period are wrong. In that case, the opponents of indic narrative can easily say that when all post mahabharat references are wrong, then how can even mahabharat itself be trusted. Then the entire basis of Nilesh ji's dating also collapses.
I am not an expert but I believe NILESH OAK ji prediction will always have more weightage than any other claims because he is using only MAHABHARAT SHLOKS and not depend on any other puranas, shastras, books, reference etc. Whereas other peoples (with all due respects) are referring other documents to justify their claims most of the times. I would suggest them to use the MAHABHARAT HISTORY (VED VYAS ji written) and the shlokas and reference mentioned inside then people will believe them more. And then relate and try to match them with other outside evidences of archelogy found in Oceanology, Genealogy, Astronomy, Dirt Archelogy etc. like NILESH ji is doing. At end, KUDOS to all, who are working hard day and night and giving their everything to our culture and history.
I am still watching… I don’t know how the podcast will end…. But shat shat pranamyto get both of them in one room 🙏🙏🙏 differences kitne bhi ho…. We are one
Nilesh ji dating is purely scientific and with evidence backing!respect to all those who work in this area and try to put efforts for dating of our history!
@@AP-eb8hd not just text, but supported with geological, astrological, oceanographic, and many more scientific fields, there is also Dr Bera...who has genetic evidence--and as far as humans are considered--there cannot be more hard and final evidence than genetic data. ruclips.net/video/CYAZPS4FhIM/видео.html
Hyper Quest is the only Channel where one can always find highly intellectual content with Expertise. 🤩 Amazing Fantastic Mind-blowing and Spellbinding insights and knowledge that you cannot ignore in this lifetime. What to speak of both of these highly respected guests who wholeheartedly supported to present to us a Debate or rather a Discussion on our History and Culture. Kudos to Tiwari Ji and His Wonderful Team. ❤❤
Thanks for bringing both the reserchers together in this podcasts (that iself was a task) I have been following Nilesh Oak ji for some time, known about Vedveer ji for the first time I will react (comment) to this podcast only after reading more about Vedveerji s findings. I the meantime, if possible, put them in one room with a camera on let them discuss out all the nuances about different variations of all the shlokas of Mahabharata
नीलेश जी और वेदवीर जी आप दोनों विद्वानों का बहुत बहुत आभार, ऐसे चर्चा होना आज अति आवश्यक है, वेदवीर जी नें जो प्रमाण दिए हैं वह बिल्कुल सटीक हैं, महाभारत युद्ध लगभग 5100 वर्ष पहले ही हुआ,
Nice healthy interaction between Nileshji and Vedveerji, it was also nice that both are aware and ascertain Mahabharat as Itihas albeit not matching the dates. Thanks to hyper quest for putting forward this podcast. Its not only about mathematics or astronomy that we are advanced but we were mature in dharma, artha, kam and moksha in the right sense.
"Mul" ORIGIN All that has a beginning must have an end, as before it came into existence, it did not exist, hence it cannot be eternal, thus also all that ends must have a beginning. All forms with a beginning and end are always in transition, as since they are not eternal, they cannot be in a stable state. Regeneration or decay is the natural existence of all forms in transition, the ultimate state being transformation, the base for the beginning and end syndrome. Thus conversely all forms in transition always have a beginning and end as they are not eternal. Within the transition the initial forms only transform to other various forms, hence all that is, cannot cease to exist, as also all that is not, cannot come to exist. Thus as a whole nothing is created nor destroyed, only transformed, the earlier forms are beginning of the newer forms by its very end. All forms in transition have a beginning and end, hence although they are complimentary with each other in existence, they as a whole must have an origin, as all forms with beginning and end syndrome being dependent for existence, cannot self exist. By the various configuration of primary elements, has the various forms to so exist, change in configuration creates the change in forms yet there is no overall change in primary elements, which is the base. However since interactions of primary elements are in fact the forms in existence, as forms have beginning and end, the configuration of primary elements also have the same syndrome by default. So also as the primary elements are always in some configuration, they as well cannot self exist without a prior source. All the universal existence thus always in transition, with beginning and end, ever dependent on prior source, cannot self exist. Hence an ultimate origin must exist which is not within the transitional universe, which is beginless endless self existence itself, that is beginning, medium and end of all universal existence, a prerequisite as an origin. In fact this universe is the proof in itself that such an origin simply is. The origin of universal existence cannot be inert, as inert cannot exert itself into existence without outer force acting upon it. However since origin is the only existence prior to any existence, no outer force exists except the origin itself. Hence the origin as self existence itself is the beginless endless pure existence, since its not inert its pure liveliness the conscience itself, as also it's beyond decay, nor requires regeneration, it simply is, always afresh, its pure bliss itself. From the beginless endless origin as self existence itself, originates a transitional universe. Obviously the origin does not literally transform into universal existence, as otherwise it would not be the origin, the origin being beyond beginning and end syndrome. Yet this transitional universe is observed, however this literally is not possible as origin is beyond transition. Thus since origin self exists and universe needs the origin as base, then actually only origin can truly exist as real, the universe then is a virtual reality that simply coexists as a natural phenamena. The origin as the beginless endless self existence itself, is the pure presence that simply is, as pure existence, pure conscience and pure bliss. The one and only without second, it realizes and witnesses itself effortlessly in timeless Samadhi. The inexhaustible a freshness by itself is the natural potential and propagation of all universal creativity versatility, yet the creation is not the origin itself. The beginless endless self existence itself as pure presence that simply is, has three fold phenamena to coexist all at once, as it effortlessly is in natural state of self realisation, that also witnesses itself in timeless Samadhi. Firstly it is pure existence, conscience and bliss, the pure presence that simply is, the witness, the timeless natural potential in effortless phenamena of propagation of all universal creativity versatility. Secondly it is a subject in Samadhi with pure ego/I, pure awareness/intelligence and pure emotion/mind, thus the true reality is inherent always. Thirdly the inexhaustible afreshness of the Samadhi has the virtual reality to coexist as a natural phenamena, the object of realization in manifestation thus always is inherent as the beginless endless pure space, effortless primodial force and primary formless form. By the timeless Samadhi of pure presence, the essence as self existence itself is realized and witnessed, thus the true and virtual realities so coexist as the subject in presence and object in manifestation. The essence of existence, liveliness and bliss, as primary elements, is thus in perpetual virtual evolution, as also the effortless force reverberates as self illuminating, self sustaining primordial light and sound, within the stillness of beginless endless pure space, while the pure presence always simply is. The virtual reality is the existential reality of the true, the expression of presence taking form virtually while the pure presence always simply is, a natural phenomenon of coexistence since origin is as such. Thus the virtual reality is not an illusion but not true as well, yet always in evolution as the expression of true, an eternal play of yog is evident. Nothing can come to exist without presence at any point of time, as pure presence is the only true existence. The universal existence even though actually cannot truly exist, yet from nothingness it virtually comes to exist, sustains and disintegrates back to nothingness, due to the timeless pure presence that always simply is. All that begins must end and begin again, since the source as pure presence always is throughout, as its neither inert nor void, the pure presence that simply is, has the phenamena to be timeless, yet the pure presence is independent of the state of phenamena. It may seem that nothingness or beginless endless pure space is the stable unchanging base of universal existence, however nothingness cannot be the source, as nothing can originate from nothingness. The pure presence is one and only without second, with itself in yogic play, in effortless timeless Samadhi, it itself is the cause as well as the causation of the virtual universal infinite expressions in perpetual evolution, yet is not the universal existence itself, thus is beyond as well. The yogic union of pure presence with itself, has the self sustaining sound and self illuminating light to reverberate as the expression of true in timeless manifestation. Within the pure space, the primary elements of existence, conscience and bliss virtually in fusion thus so coexist. Thus the yogic play brings the forms to evolve in identity, consciousness and afreshness, as the expression of pure ego, pure awareness and pure emotion. The evolution is in forms not in presence, as for any evolution to occur, presence is a prerequisite. Thus pure presence always simply is throughout within and without, as the base and yet beyond, the very same. Even as the virtual inert universal existence always is in transition with the beginning and end syndrome, the phenamena of perperpetual evolution by the very presence thus also simply is. The virtual reality is inert, as it cannot self exist, yet it is the existential reality of true in form, even as the forms differ by transitional phenamena by the very presence. The pure presence initiates identity, liveliness and fulfilment within the evolved inert forms, as it realises and witnesses itself, as well as the evolutions, within and without, thus a living throbbing universe so coexists. The yogic Samadhi propels the primary elements of existence, liveliness and bliss in virtual fusion to manifest in pure space with a virtual centre. The same Samadhi also has a pulling force back to the centre, the manifested universe gradually unmanifests back to nothingness. The universal existence thus in virtual creation, sustenance and destruction within and without is also in perpetual evolution by the same pure presence. Each creation in evolution as virtual reality, is instilled with pure ego, awareness and emotion, as true reality always simply is. Thus the one and only, is the same presence yet simultaneously infinite by the versatile universal existence. All universal creation seems to come to exist from pure space and disintegrates back. Time and place also comes to exist here, till then it is timeless and place less. Multi universes coexists likewise each with a virtual centre as their own. Each diverse and independent yet also complimentary as the origin is same. The pure ego, pure awareness and pure emotion always the base of evolution has the primary elements to reverberate with light and sound within pure space. The formless form and effortless force thus evolves in varied dimensions, from subtle to gross, thus comes the versatile universal existence in shape. The one and only without second, thus is simultaneously universally infinite and yet also beyond. Each forms reverberating with the same presence, as the source is same. Conversely each forms in manifestation by the very presence are in perperpetual evolution. The effortless yogic Samadhi thus being the cause and causation is also the key of well being within the yogic play. The realization is the afreshness and the witnessing is the purity within this timeless yogic play of the self with itself along with its manifestions as a natural phenamena of evolution. However even when the universal presence is one and only the very same, it being simultaneously infinite as well, the presence that misplaces its awareness within ones manifestations only, generates ignorance of ones universal presence.
The origin of Vedas are unknown, it is assumed timeless as it is the knowledge of the universal existence and its source, Vedas thus originate with the universal existence and dissolve with the dissolution, till then it is the enquiry and solution for each existence manifested by pure presence, the depth of Vedas is seen in Upanishads it is said, the summary of Upanishads is the Bhagavad Geeta. Krishna as the pure presence is the all attractive, tells Arjun why one must do, what is required of one to do, irrespective of the outcome, as not doing the required, brings false well being and more chaos later, it is vivek buddhi, the wisdom. As also abstaining from doing the unwanted when in path of doing is focus and clarity of deed. Doing it without anger, jealousy, fear, attachments, desires, ego and ignorance brings in purity simply in doing for the sake of well being for one and all. The skills of such karma brings the union/yoga with pure existence described in Bhagavad-Gita as karma yog. Surrendering to providence with undiluted awareness keeps oneself near pure conscience to realize and witness it within and in everything, the knowledge of the universal existence and its source comes naturally by such, thus known as dyan yog. Undisturbed peace is ones nature when one simply rests in pure bliss irrespective of anything, as the union of the self with original purity in any form/formless, it is the bhakti yog. All three yog are actually one in essence, the yog of self existence, of pure presence is the Raj yog that is the union of all three. Such a one is pure presence itself, the universal being and beyond, it is pure existence, conscience and bliss that self exists, thus the potential and propagation of all creativity, versatility, the all attractive, its characteristics are strength, success, detached attachment, wisdom, completeness and beauty. Krishna is the pure presence, thus effortlessly simply universal and beyond even though functional in one form for the mundane, hence is sahaj for him to show universal form to yoshada his mother even when in child form and later to Arjun at kurukhshetra. Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita shows how the universe is the manifestation of pure presence only, thus each form in universe is lively with such presence that pervades everything within and without. Although each form is not the presence but the virtual reality, the existential reality of the true conscious reality, thus actually by itself inert, its the pure presence that generates sustains and dissolves the manifestations into constant evolution, it seems to bring life in the forms. No evolution can occur without prior existence of presence, as also inert cannot self exist, it ultimately implies self existence of presence, everything that exists, has its source to presence at any point of time, thus inert cannot validate its source, we can validate inert but presence can only be realized by ones presence This is Maya that coexists along with pure presence, here comes the concept of God by ignorance, as if God is some entity ultimately superior to everyone and everything that created the universe for us to enjoy and serve him on earth and wherever throughout the universe. However if God hadn't created us then question of pleasures and pain would not have arisen, as also did God need us to serve him, then God seems also dependent. Thus God is nothing but a concept, however the self existing pure presence, does influence the infinite manifestations as a natural phenomena by which the universal cyclic existence coexists as a wheel of Maya, wherein the presence becomes infinite by such universal existence, the play of awareness is a natural phenomena as well, the hierarchy of presence is by itself then the natural dimensions of purity, one can say the pure presence is God here but God did not create us, neither did we create God, we separated ourselves from pure presence or God in the play of existence/conscience /bliss and now we strive to regain our true identity, complete liveliness and fulfilled happiness in whatever we do, knowingly or unknowingly an attempt for pure existence, pure conscience and pure bliss, the nature of self existence, the nature of pure presence or GOD. Thus the science that understands the virtual reality, is the inert science, good for the existential well being but the realization of presence in each manifested form that powers such science in the first place is the ultimate well being. During the time of Vedas-Upanishads such presence was known well, thus the science came naturally as well, later the forms were merely worshiped without presence, the ultimate well being lost by ignorance and mere rituals, the science of the inert then became more prominent for ones well being, as importance shifted to existential well being only. Saturation of prevalent science will reach its depths to realize the presence within and without once again. Pure Presence self exists, it simply is, thus is the Brahman which has the universe to coexist in cyclic existence, reverberating as AUM, as it effortlessly realises and witnesses itself in timeless Samadhi, the inexhaustible a freshness of pure presence has infinite universes to coexist as such, thus it is the para Brahman as well, also known as Bhagavan, Narayan, Shiv, likewise, the origin as pure presence. It is utmost still that simultaneously is utmost active naturally. It pervades everything within and without, thus is paramatma. It is ultimately the source, the potential and propagation of all creativity, versatility, thus it is parameshvar. It is the one that is simultaneously infinite, thus is Ganesh. It is the Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh that itself is begin less and endless but the beginning and end of everything, thus always the medium, ultimately the generator, the organizer and the destroyer, as the eternal presence, that has the natural phenomena of transitional virtual existence to coexist infinitely by its inexhaustible a freshness, the perpetual outcome of the existential reality of true thus also simply is. Thus it is the trigunatmak yogmaya, the mul prakriti, the gayatri, the shakti, the ultimate energy as pure presence that propagates the presence by manifestations in multi dimensions and dissolves it back. It is the all attractive Krishna that is always the same pure presence throughout the yog Leela, the inexhaustible a freshness in infinite play of existence, conscience and bliss. Thus it is the purushottam, that transcends the true and virtual realities as also pervades it within and without.
Geeta was narated by Bhagavan to Arjun on the vast battlefield of Kurukshetra, narated by Bhagavan svayam hence known as Bhagavat Geeta, this year Geeta Jayanti was on 11th Dec. Actually this was a world war wherein about 40 Lakh men participated from world over, only 3 from kauravas : ( Ashwathama, Krutvarma and Krupacharya) and 7 from Pandavas : ( Shree Krushna, 5 Pandavas and Satyaki) were alive, all rest died here. Bhagavad Geeta tells us, our well being lies only in taming our body, mind and intellect, that is our kshetra to its optimum and get the natural obvious outcome. The better one tames ones kshetra in which we seem to dwell, the better can one bring the existential well being. However we are not the kshetra itself but only the influencer of kshetra, the kshetra is our tool of functioning in the manifested vishwa. Hence one must not get bound by the results of kshetra, positive or negative it maybe but getting attached in doership, misplaces ones awareness in kshetra only and creates ignorance of ones true self, which generates alter ego of kshetra, unstable it is as either inflated or deflated by attachments of outcomes, it binds oneself to the kshetra, as if one is kshetra itself and superficially limits oneself as such, till one cleanses the misplaced awareness that created the ignorance in the first place. However in all activities, even when performing to the optimum, when one remains unbound, in the state of unbiased realization and as such a witness, what remains is merely pure presence, the pure ego of ones true nature that simply is, irrespective of anything, simply by itself. Krodha, matsara, bhaya, lobha, kama, mada and moha gets cleansed by the collective karma, dyan and bhakti yog, the alter ego withers itself, what remains is the pure ego which was always there at the base, thus is the secret of purity. Even Bhagavan swayam does not take upon the doership, although bhagwan is the obvious base of all outcomes, being sarvakarankaram. Thus Bhagavan is the purest or rather purity itself, the pure presence that simply is, the beginless/endless self existence itself. Inert cannot self exist nor can it exert itself into existence, thus the base as self existence is not inert but pure existence, pure conscience and pure bliss. That by default, the pure presence is the natural potential and propagation of all universal creativity versatility, yet it is not the universal existence itself, as it is not inert. Thus the universal existence is a virtual reality that simply coexists as a natural phenamena that simply is because pure presence simply is. Although as the universal existence does not self exist, it is always in transition with beginning and end syndrome, constantly in refreshing mode by inexhaustible afreshness of pure presence as timeless base. By the tools of kshetra one cannot know the kshetragnya as kshetra is inert, it by itself cannot be the knower but keeping the kshetra pure by physical fitness, intellectual awareness and emotional soundness, one can unbound oneself if in bondage. Then and otherwise the kshetragnya always simply realises and witness itself effortlessly as Satchitanand. Our true pure self is always all revealing itself when unbound in kshetra, then the kshetra is merely a natural phenamena of manifested kshetragnya. Its the timeless play of pure presence, the one and only without second is simultaneously universally infinite and beyond.
"Mul" ORIGIN All that has a beginning must have an end, as before it came into existence, it did not exist, hence it cannot be eternal, thus also all that ends must have a beginning. All forms with a beginning and end are always in transition, as since they are not eternal, they cannot be in a stable state. Regeneration or decay is the natural existence of all forms in transition, the ultimate state being transformation, the base for the beginning and end syndrome. Thus conversely all forms in transition always have a beginning and end as they are not eternal. Within the transition the initial forms only transform to other various forms, hence all that is, cannot cease to exist, as also all that is not, cannot come to exist. Thus as a whole nothing is created nor destroyed, only transformed, the earlier forms are beginning of the newer forms by its very end. All forms in transition have a beginning and end, hence although they are complimentary with each other in existence, they as a whole must have an origin, as all forms with beginning and end syndrome being dependent for existence, cannot self exist. By the various configuration of primary elements, has the various forms to so exist, change in configuration creates the change in forms yet there is no overall change in primary elements, which is the base. However since interactions of primary elements are in fact the forms in existence, as forms have beginning and end, the configuration of primary elements also have the same syndrome by default. So also as the primary elements are always in some configuration, they as well cannot self exist without a prior source. All the universal existence thus always in transition, with beginning and end, ever dependent on prior source, cannot self exist. Hence an ultimate origin must exist which is not within the transitional universe, which is beginless endless self existence itself, that is beginning, medium and end of all universal existence, a prerequisite as an origin. In fact this universe is the proof in itself that such an origin simply is. The origin of universal existence cannot be inert, as inert cannot exert itself into existence without outer force acting upon it. However since origin is the only existence prior to any existence, no outer force exists except the origin itself. Hence the origin as self existence itself is the beginless endless pure existence, since its not inert its pure liveliness the conscience itself, as also it's beyond decay, nor requires regeneration, it simply is, always afresh, its pure bliss itself. From the beginless endless origin as self existence itself, originates a transitional universe. Obviously the origin does not literally transform into universal existence, as otherwise it would not be the origin, the origin being beyond beginning and end syndrome. Yet this transitional universe is observed, however this literally is not possible as origin is beyond transition. Thus since origin self exists and universe needs the origin as base, then actually only origin can truly exist as real, the universe then is a virtual reality that simply coexists as a natural phenamena. The origin as the beginless endless self existence itself, is the pure presence that simply is, as pure existence, pure conscience and pure bliss. The one and only without second, it realizes and witnesses itself effortlessly in timeless Samadhi. The inexhaustible a freshness by itself is the natural potential and propagation of all universal creativity versatility, yet the creation is not the origin itself. The beginless endless self existence itself as pure presence that simply is, has three fold phenamena to coexist all at once, as it effortlessly is in natural state of self realisation, that also witnesses itself in timeless Samadhi. Firstly it is pure existence, conscience and bliss, the pure presence that simply is, the witness, the timeless natural potential in effortless phenamena of propagation of all universal creativity versatility. Secondly it is a subject in Samadhi with pure ego/I, pure awareness/intelligence and pure emotion/mind, thus the true reality is inherent always. Thirdly the inexhaustible afreshness of the Samadhi has the virtual reality to coexist as a natural phenamena, the object of realization in manifestation thus always is inherent as the beginless endless pure space, effortless primodial force and primary formless form. By the timeless Samadhi of pure presence, the essence as self existence itself is realized and witnessed, thus the true and virtual realities so coexist as the subject in presence and object in manifestation. The essence of existence, liveliness and bliss, as primary elements, is thus in perpetual virtual evolution, as also the effortless force reverberates as self illuminating, self sustaining primordial light and sound, within the stillness of beginless endless pure space, while the pure presence always simply is. The virtual reality is the existential reality of the true, the expression of presence taking form virtually while the pure presence always simply is, a natural phenomenon of coexistence since origin is as such. Thus the virtual reality is not an illusion but not true as well, yet always in evolution as the expression of true, an eternal play of yog is evident. Nothing can come to exist without presence at any point of time, as pure presence is the only true existence. The universal existence even though actually cannot truly exist, yet from nothingness it virtually comes to exist, sustains and disintegrates back to nothingness, due to the timeless pure presence that always simply is. All that begins must end and begin again, since the source as pure presence always is throughout, as its neither inert nor void, the pure presence that simply is, has the phenamena to be timeless, yet the pure presence is independent of the state of phenamena. It may seem that nothingness or beginless endless pure space is the stable unchanging base of universal existence, however nothingness cannot be the source, as nothing can originate from nothingness. The pure presence is one and only without second, with itself in yogic play, in effortless timeless Samadhi, it itself is the cause as well as the causation of the virtual universal infinite expressions in perpetual evolution, yet is not the universal existence itself, thus is beyond as well. The yogic union of pure presence with itself, has the self sustaining sound and self illuminating light to reverberate as the expression of true in timeless manifestation. Within the pure space, the primary elements of existence, conscience and bliss virtually in fusion thus so coexist. Thus the yogic play brings the forms to evolve in identity, consciousness and afreshness, as the expression of pure ego, pure awareness and pure emotion. The evolution is in forms not in presence, as for any evolution to occur, presence is a prerequisite. Thus pure presence always simply is throughout within and without, as the base and yet beyond, the very same. Even as the virtual inert universal existence always is in transition with the beginning and end syndrome, the phenamena of perperpetual evolution by the very presence thus also simply is. The virtual reality is inert, as it cannot self exist, yet it is the existential reality of true in form, even as the forms differ by transitional phenamena by the very presence. The pure presence initiates identity, liveliness and fulfilment within the evolved inert forms, as it realises and witnesses itself, as well as the evolutions, within and without, thus a living throbbing universe so coexists. The yogic Samadhi propels the primary elements of existence, liveliness and bliss in virtual fusion to manifest in pure space with a virtual centre. The same Samadhi also has a pulling force back to the centre, the manifested universe gradually unmanifests back to nothingness. The universal existence thus in virtual creation, sustenance and destruction within and without is also in perpetual evolution by the same pure presence. Each creation in evolution as virtual reality, is instilled with pure ego, awareness and emotion, as true reality always simply is. Thus the one and only, is the same presence yet simultaneously infinite by the versatile universal existence. All universal creation seems to come to exist from pure space and disintegrates back. Time and place also comes to exist here, till then it is timeless and place less. Multi universes coexists likewise each with a virtual centre as their own. Each diverse and independent yet also complimentary as the origin is same. The pure ego, pure awareness and pure emotion always the base of evolution has the primary elements to reverberate with light and sound within pure space. The formless form and effortless force thus evolves in varied dimensions, from subtle to gross, thus comes the versatile universal existence in shape. The one and only without second, thus is simultaneously universally infinite and yet also beyond. Each forms reverberating with the same presence, as the source is same. Conversely each forms in manifestation by the very presence are in perperpetual evolution. The effortless yogic Samadhi thus being the cause and causation is also the key of well being within the yogic play. The realization is the afreshness and the witnessing is the purity within this timeless yogic play of the self with itself along with its manifestions as a natural phenamena of evolution. However even when the universal presence is one and only the very same, it being simultaneously infinite as well, the presence that misplaces its awareness within ones manifestations only, generates ignorance of ones universal presence.
Fantastic discussion. We need such intelligent, respectful of the opponent, efforts by bktg the speakers to tell in as easy manner as possible for the lsy person in the audience and a non-partisan anchor. Thank you for this podcast.❤❤
दोनों ही पक्षों की बातों में इतनी गूढता है कि जिसका कोई आरा नहीं है। मगर फिर भी प्रश्न तो यही रह गया कि सत्य क्या है। यदि नीलेश जी कहीं पर परंपरा को नहीं संतुष्ट कर पाए तो ऐसा क्यों और वेदवीरजी यदि वैज्ञानिक साक्ष्यों को संतुष्ट नहीं कर पाए तो ऐसा क्यों? ऐसा तो नहीं हो सकता कि एक महाभारत 7500 साल पहले हुई और एक 5000 साल पहले, क्या घट रहा है यह समझना बहुत कठिन हो गया। मैं नहीं समझ पाया। मुझे दोनों ही एक से सटीक लगें। परन्तु माना तो एक ही जायेगा 🙂
These are called real wise people have guts to proof their opinions with proper backing.. naa ki udhar idhar like so called scientific temperament show karne wala log.
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Bhai please try to Bring Yagnadevam ji he claims to decipher Indus script along with live examples of such deciphering 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@HINDUTVAYTOFFICIAL i was going to comment the same
@@poojasingla9693 🙏
@@poojasingla9693 🙏
If Ramayana is history then why we haven't find any archeological evidence in Janakpur ( my hometown) as it is exact Mithila mentioned in Ramayana. I mean there should be at least some evidence of any ancient palaces there . If it's not history please don't spread lie .
Thats a proper Sashtrarth....
NO SHOUTING
NO FIGHTING
EVERYTHING CALM, RESPECTABLE AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND
our culture always had this system...
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Kepe doing it!!!!!
They’ve edited the fighting scenes.
I bow down to these two great researchers who are open and willing to discuss. It shows they are genuinely open to find the solution. The scientific community, historians and archeologists need to imbibe this mindset. Kaal chakra badal raha hai!!
❤ I too was amazed to see their level of dedication.
@@HyperQuestBhai aap podcast par in 2 guest ko bualo choice aapki hai 2nd me
Bcz ishwar par sabse bada confusion hai nirakar or saakar par
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1st guest - पौराणिक से -- SHIVANSH ( AVAAAN CALL OF DHARMA ) RUclips CHANNEL
2nd guest -arya समाज से - acharya yogesh Bhardwaj or acharya prashant or vinay arya or acharya agnivrat or mohit gaur.
Ghanta 😂
Dono feku hai
Kalapn bhagwan Ka koi proof nhi hai
If we go on both dates, the mean Buddha date is different, if so the sangam of Prayag becomes much older
Correct ❤
I have been following Sri Nilesh Nilkanth Oak for the last three years, and he seems more convincing to me. 5561 BCE...❤️❤️❤️
I hope all the researchers cooperate with each other instead of feeling jealous. United we stand; divided we fall. 🙌
If we see by Arundhati-Vasisttha Star Observation, then Mahabharat can't take place after 4500 BCE. Arundhati Vasistha gives us time frame of 11,000 BCE - 4500 BCE.
@@Shashank2346 There are Some Jealous People like Raja Ram Mohan Roy 😂
@Shashank2346 Real...
@@Shashank2346 bhai kya hi to bolu had he yarr kuch bhi 11000 bce gapod Lila ki bhi had hoti he 😂😂😂
@SOCCERHub803 Huh, study some basic archaeoastronomy, brother, and understand what Arundhati-Vasistha is. Regarding the Arundhati-Vasistha (Alcor-Mizar) twin star system, observe its movement in the night sky. If someone lacks knowledge in a particular field, they should refrain from speaking about it. I haven’t shared this information with you without reason. If you simply want to mock without understanding, I have no solution for this problem.
I would recommend one basic observation to you: "The Epoch of Arundhati and Vasistha."
If you are interested, you can go through it; otherwise, I don’t care.
कृपया ऐसे पॉडकास्ट करते रहिए विशाल जी।
दोनों ही अतिथी अत्यंत ज्ञानी एवं सौम्य थे।
धन्यवाद।
साधुवाद।
Nilesh Oak ji's date seems to have more evidence than Vedveer ji's date on Mahabharat and is more convincing.
However Vedveer ji's explainations of the changing calandar is a separate theory and its is very very logical and explains a lots of things right from Mauryan times to the medevial times.
Nilesh ji and Ved veer ji koti koti pranam to both of you for the bhagirath efforts you are putting for Bharat.
Koti Koti prnam to HyperQuest team and Vishal ji too for bringing these two grear Rishi's of our time.
If you read Nilesh Oak’ book there are so many misconceptions. He doesn’t understand Sanskrit thats why he misinterprets a lot.
@@anurag684 that is your false opinion and has no value.
@@anurag684 Have you read?
Nilesh oak is fake , he does not know Sanskrit
आज के विचार विमर्श से ज्ञान तो मिला है और रोचकता प्राप्त हुई है, दोनों विद्वानो का आभार।
Mai samajhta hun debate ke roop mei discussion bohat jaruri hai and this is the right way to go about..nahi toh log apna apna narrative chala kar apni superiority dikha kar nikal lete hai. Proper shastra honi chahiye.
this is why I appriciate your efforts for bringing such a meaningful podcast, GREAT !
The level of intellect in this podcast is brilliant 👏 and smooth editing is also top notch😊
Azib ghari bhai kese ho me discord wala dev hu
@@godfather9014 namste bhai
bhai ye Vedveer Arya Arya samaj se hai kya?
@@Ajamidha nhi uska title Arya hai sayad
@Ajamidha Nahi pata bhai, matter bhi nahi karta, jo admi logical hai usko maano, chahe ho kisi bhi samaj ka ho.
भाईसाहब सब बम बम हो गया ३ घंटे में🤣😅🙏...
वेदवीर जी की बात समझने के लिए गुरुकुल जाना पड़ेगा😅🙏 (ज्योतिष ज्ञान वाला सेक्शन).....
आप दोनों ( नीलेशजी,वेदवीरजी) का दिल से आभार 🙏
समझ में जितनी भी आई हो लेकिन कॉन्फिडेंस भरपूर आ गया कि ये ग्रन्थ हमारे इतिहास ही हैं ।
(पारंपरिक समकालीन इतिहास + वैज्ञानिकी विवेचना (रिसर्च पेपर) + महाकाव्य में व्यास जी द्वारा दिए तिथि दर्शन => हमारा इतिहास )
अतिविशिष्ट!!
धन्यवाद हाइपरक्वेस्ट टीम 🙏
Thanks for Bringing them on one stage ....
NILESH OAK ❤
Team Nil-Oak
Hail Nilesh Nilkanth Oak
Thank you Nileshji for bringing pride and logical debates comparable to shashtraths back in fashion. I hope and wish that the date you presented is proven with the less developed scientific methods today in the near future. Bow down to you that apne itne shashtra kanthasta kiye hai and understand them which is more important. Thank you for making vedic era and sanatan cool again. Best podcast I have ever seen in my life, by far. Ved Veer ji ko sat sat naman and hope and urge the government to make Sanskrit learning mandatory soon so that this treasure of knowledge from our ancestors is not lost to future generations. I have learnt Sanskrit and my daughter is learning it too. Thank you both of you.
I had been waiting for such a discussion for so long!
भाई मज़ा आ गया... लगा जैसे फिर से असली भारत जिंदा हो गया... ऐसा संवाद open मंचों से " महाकुंभ" जैसे जगह पर हो जाता तो ...। मज़ा ही आ जाता!
This is a very high quality podcast. There are many nuances related to dating of Mahabharat due to different kinds of interpretations.
It's really great to see two scholars (Vidwaans) debating like this without disrespecting each other, unlike stupid fights on twitter nowadays.
This kind of content was limited to books, closed source scholarly papers, peer reviewing and refutation of papers. However, publishing it in video platform humbles as well as inspires a lot!
Thank you so much Nilesh Oak ji, Vedveer Arya Ji!
Kudos to Hyper Quest for putting it this way in public domain!
Is manch ka sahi me bohut bohut aabshyakta thaa . In dono mahaa prangya manishi ko ak hi platform me lana aur wo bhi Vaad k liye , just amazing . Awesome.
One of the best podcasts on Indian History over the Internet. This discussion holds the potential to go viral, seriously.
Two legends in one frame...great to listen ❤
😊
नीलेश जी जैसे विद्वानों से सनातन संस्कृति महान बनी है
this is the proper way of making debates happening and letting people think and form their own opinions and judgements
thank you hyperquest from jammu.
Nilesh sir, Thank you & also 3 of them
It's clear that entire foreign institute for astronomy and foreign universities don't want to prove that Bharat was much much older than their 4000bc biblical theory. And they defend their insecurities with vigor.
Ye podcast pura knowledge se bhara para hai 😊☺️😚😘🥰
Lots of love from Patna Bihar ♥️♥️♥️🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Wow 🔥🔥❤🙏🏻 Vishal Bhaiya, I was waiting for this.. so much 😍 Such an amazing podcast.. I'm going to listen to this multiple times to fully thoroughly understand & enjoy every bit of this genius podcast.. 🔥 Huge fan of Nilesh Oak sir 🔥🙏🏻❤ Thanks a lot 🙏🌹❤
जय श्री कृष्ण 🚩
Thank you Nileshji for bringing pride and logical debates comparable to shashtraths back in fashion. I hope and wish that the date you presented is proven with the less developed scientific methods today in the near future. Bow down to you that apne itne shashtra kanthasta kiye hai and understand them which is more important. Thank you for making vedic era and sanatan cool again. Best podcast I have ever seen in my life, by far. Ved Veer ji ko sat sat naman and hope and urge the government to make Sanskrit learning mandatory soon so that this treasure of knowledge from our ancestors is not lost to future generations. I have learnt Sanskrit and my daughter is learning it too. Thank you both of you.
Vishal thank you so much for indulging these two masterminds in a classical debate and fact session. Niskarsh jo bhi le apne man ke hisab se par gyaan ko bahot praapt hua aur adhik vedic paramparo pe garv badha. Thank you so much. I can proudly say that this is the best podcast I have ever seen, hands down! BEST EVER.
Two Best People in one Video ! Thanks for bringing these legends together :)
This is real Sanatani approach
*No oppression or suppression of knowledge*
*But fierce academic debate to bring out the truth & knowledge*
Like SAGAR MANTHAN this is KNOWLEDGE MANTHAN
बहुत धन्यवाद इन महान विद्वानों को एकसाथ बैठाकर चर्चा करने के लिए। सार्थक व जटिल चर्चा रही। दोनों को समझने के लिए ज्योतिष का जितना ज्ञान चाहिए, वह सामान्य लोगों के पास नहीं है।
Agree with vedveer Ji, thanks to all of you
Bas majaa hi aa gya ek baar aur aesa hi ho to aapko bahut bahut dhanyawad
Amazing podcast, such researcher should be promoted by government. Government must form a body of such intelligent and logical researchers then come to a common understanding of timeline. Remove all the mistakes in the dating and timeline of the Bhartiya civilisation, various events in Indian Itihaas and publish common book, which should be guiding for the future generations, and there should not be any ambiguity. Panchal and Astro studies should be included in the syllabus of students.
Nice vid👍🏻👍🏻
I like your Channel from Mauritius 🇲🇺🇲🇺
Wow
These are two legends who are actively preaching that its not mythology its our history and some german guy says it can't be true 😂. This is how discussion should be done, no shouting, no cursing, everyone listens to each other. Thankyou @HyperQuest to bring up this conversation would love to listen more such discussions on our history and science.
I truly enjoyed this programme. Exellent , Amazing, proud of You.The programme covers more than several insights in Ramayana and Mahabharata. I have watched the programme several times since I am learning something new every time. Thank You Thank You Thank You 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏,🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳💝💗❣️💐🌹
Thanks for this podcast 🙏
Bhai please try to Bring Yagnadevam ji he claims to decipher Indus script along with live examples of such deciphering 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Abhijit chavda ne kiya h unke saath podcast
Jay Govinda Jay Gopala Radhey Radhey 🎉🎉🎉
My opinion, Vedveer ji's dating makes more sense than Nilesh ji's dating.
Bhai indian history ki book me to padhate nahi mahabharat ke bare me. NCERT se le kar hindi medium tak nahi padhate.
Jab ki 2014 se modi ji ki sarkar he hinduvadi logo ki sarkar he aaj 2025 chal raha he.
Same
For me Nilesh ji Dating is Correct
Yes, but if Nilesh ji's dating is correct, then as Vedveer ji pointed out, another problem arises, that it would mean that all the texts and references post mahabharat period are wrong. In that case, the opponents of indic narrative can easily say that when all post mahabharat references are wrong, then how can even mahabharat itself be trusted. Then the entire basis of Nilesh ji's dating also collapses.
Kudos to both gentleman vedveer ji and nilesh ji🙏🙏 the intellectual churning resulted into this great experience ❤
Sending love from nepal!!!ॐ ॐ ॐ 🙏🙏🙏
Amazing insightful podcast 🎉
I am not an expert but I believe NILESH OAK ji prediction will always have more weightage than any other claims because he is using only MAHABHARAT SHLOKS and not depend on any other puranas, shastras, books, reference etc. Whereas other peoples (with all due respects) are referring other documents to justify their claims most of the times. I would suggest them to use the MAHABHARAT HISTORY (VED VYAS ji written) and the shlokas and reference mentioned inside then people will believe them more. And then relate and try to match them with other outside evidences of archelogy found in Oceanology, Genealogy, Astronomy, Dirt Archelogy etc. like NILESH ji is doing. At end, KUDOS to all, who are working hard day and night and giving their everything to our culture and history.
The traditional chronology of Shri VedVeer is more convincing , just listen the commentary from 2:00:00 to 2:08:30
It’s always a pleasure to hear NILESH JI, thank you VISHAL for this conversation between VEDVEER JI & NILESH JI 👍❤️
Vishal bhaiya ek hi dil hai kitni baar jeetoge ♥️♥️
Baar baar
Great "shastrath" between two of the eminent intellectuals of our time. However, I am leaning more towards Prof. Oak's timing
Because Oak's Research is Pure Scientific, corroborated with many evidences.
Great prodcast vishal ji
Great podcast ...superb ... satya Sanatan vedic Dharm ki jai...shiv ...ram ..Krishna ..maa Shakti ..Shree Hari Vishnu ..bhrmha ji yahi Param satya hai
I am still watching… I don’t know how the podcast will end…. But shat shat pranamyto get both of them in one room 🙏🙏🙏 differences kitne bhi ho…. We are one
Nilesh ji dating is purely scientific and with evidence backing!respect to all those who work in this area and try to put efforts for dating of our history!
Don't get me wrong..he is astro dating based on texts.. it's not really that complex given the technology we have..
@@AP-eb8hd not just text, but supported with geological, astrological, oceanographic, and many more scientific fields, there is also Dr Bera...who has genetic evidence--and as far as humans are considered--there cannot be more hard and final evidence than genetic data.
ruclips.net/video/CYAZPS4FhIM/видео.html
Yes
@@AP-eb8hd that's Archeo-astronomy
In sanatan astro means space tech and geography @@AP-eb8hd
Vedaveer references are mostly not from original source
The level of debate Padcast of Hyper Quest is increasing day by day. Good job👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Both speakers are good but Nilesh Oak's research is much concrete for the actual year of events with solid proof.
Yes, Nobody Dare to Challenge Nilesh Nilkanth Oak work, his work is most scientific
After seeing this podcast I would say both of their own valid points
AAP SABHI KA BOHOT BOHOT DHANYAWAD
HAAM SABHI AAPKE BOHOT BOHOT ABHARI HAI 🙏
Jai maa Durga 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hyper Quest is the only Channel where one can always find highly intellectual content with Expertise.
🤩 Amazing Fantastic Mind-blowing and Spellbinding insights and knowledge that you cannot ignore in this lifetime.
What to speak of both of these highly respected guests who wholeheartedly supported to present to us a Debate or rather a Discussion on our History and Culture.
Kudos to Tiwari Ji and His Wonderful Team. ❤❤
Great... ॐ ॐ ॐ 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for the information.
Glad I got to watch the debate live
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These are two of the greatest scholars.. & to everyone’s surprise these 2 authors talk about vedas belonging to a period prior to 14000 BC.
Exactly Kind of podcast i really want to listen
Thanks for bringing both the reserchers together in this podcasts (that iself was a task)
I have been following Nilesh Oak ji for some time, known about Vedveer ji for the first time I will react (comment) to this podcast only after reading more about Vedveerji s findings.
I the meantime, if possible, put them in one room with a camera on let them discuss out all the nuances about different variations of all the shlokas of Mahabharata
Jabardast 🎉🎉😮
ये मेरी wish पूरी हुई । अब true indology के साथ एक podcast और हो जाय । विशाल जी भारतीय परंपरा के विकास के ध्वजवाहक हो गए हैं।
Har har mahadev 😊😊❤
दिव्य ज्ञान🎉🎉🎉🎉
Aweome episode
Very few podcasts which are over 2.5 hours which I eagerly want to watch completely!! Great episode !!
Sab sar k upar Jaa rha fir bhi dekh ne maja aa rha 😅😅😅
नीलेश जी और वेदवीर जी आप दोनों विद्वानों का बहुत बहुत आभार,
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You are doing great JOB Vishal, one of my top 3 podcaster.
Excellent podcast ever watched till date....
Nice healthy interaction between Nileshji and Vedveerji, it was also nice that both are aware and ascertain Mahabharat as Itihas albeit not matching the dates. Thanks to hyper quest for putting forward this podcast. Its not only about mathematics or astronomy that we are advanced but we were mature in dharma, artha, kam and moksha in the right sense.
"Mul"
ORIGIN
All that has a beginning must have an end, as before it came into existence, it did not exist, hence it cannot be eternal, thus also all that ends must have a beginning.
All forms with a beginning and end are always in transition, as since they are not eternal, they cannot be in a stable state. Regeneration or decay is the natural existence of all forms in transition, the ultimate state being transformation, the base for the beginning and end syndrome. Thus conversely all forms in transition always have a beginning and end as they are not eternal.
Within the transition the initial forms only transform to other various forms, hence all that is, cannot cease to exist, as also all that is not, cannot come to exist. Thus as a whole nothing is created nor destroyed, only transformed, the earlier forms are beginning of the newer forms by its very end.
All forms in transition have a beginning and end, hence although they are complimentary with each other in existence, they as a whole must have an origin, as all forms with beginning and end syndrome being dependent for existence, cannot self exist.
By the various configuration of primary elements, has the various forms to so exist, change in configuration creates the change in forms yet there is no overall change in primary elements, which is the base. However since interactions of primary elements are in fact the forms in existence, as forms have beginning and end, the configuration of primary elements also have the same syndrome by default. So also as the primary elements are always in some configuration, they as well cannot self exist without a prior source.
All the universal existence thus always in transition, with beginning and end, ever dependent on prior source, cannot self exist. Hence an ultimate origin must exist which is not within the transitional universe, which is beginless endless self existence itself, that is beginning, medium and end of all universal existence, a prerequisite as an origin. In fact this universe is the proof in itself that such an origin simply is.
The origin of universal existence cannot be inert, as inert cannot exert itself into existence without outer force acting upon it. However since origin is the only existence prior to any existence, no outer force exists except the origin itself. Hence the origin as self existence itself is the beginless endless pure existence, since its not inert its pure liveliness the conscience itself, as also it's beyond decay, nor requires regeneration, it simply is, always afresh, its pure bliss itself.
From the beginless endless origin as self existence itself, originates a transitional universe. Obviously the origin does not literally transform into universal existence, as otherwise it would not be the origin, the origin being beyond beginning and end syndrome.
Yet this transitional universe is observed, however this literally is not possible as origin is beyond transition. Thus since origin self exists and universe needs the origin as base, then actually only origin can truly exist as real, the universe then is a virtual reality that simply coexists as a natural phenamena.
The origin as the beginless endless self existence itself, is the pure presence that simply is, as pure existence, pure conscience and pure bliss. The one and only without second, it realizes and witnesses itself effortlessly in timeless Samadhi. The inexhaustible a freshness by itself is the natural potential and propagation of all universal creativity versatility, yet the creation is not the origin itself.
The beginless endless self existence itself as pure presence that simply is, has three fold phenamena to coexist all at once, as it effortlessly is in natural state of self realisation, that also witnesses itself in timeless Samadhi.
Firstly it is pure existence, conscience and bliss, the pure presence that simply is, the witness, the timeless natural potential in effortless phenamena of propagation of all universal creativity versatility.
Secondly it is a subject in Samadhi with pure ego/I, pure awareness/intelligence and pure emotion/mind, thus the true reality is inherent always.
Thirdly the inexhaustible afreshness of the Samadhi has the virtual reality to coexist as a natural phenamena, the object of realization in manifestation thus always is inherent as the beginless endless pure space, effortless primodial force and primary formless form.
By the timeless Samadhi of pure presence, the essence as self existence itself is realized and witnessed, thus the true and virtual realities so coexist as the subject in presence and object in manifestation. The essence of existence, liveliness and bliss, as primary elements, is thus in perpetual virtual evolution, as also the effortless force reverberates as self illuminating, self sustaining primordial light and sound, within the stillness of beginless endless pure space, while the pure presence always simply is.
The virtual reality is the existential reality of the true, the expression of presence taking form virtually while the pure presence always simply is, a natural phenomenon of coexistence since origin is as such. Thus the virtual reality is not an illusion but not true as well, yet always in evolution as the expression of true, an eternal play of yog is evident.
Nothing can come to exist without presence at any point of time, as pure presence is the only true existence. The universal existence even though actually cannot truly exist, yet from nothingness it virtually comes to exist, sustains and disintegrates back to nothingness, due to the timeless pure presence that always simply is.
All that begins must end and begin again, since the source as pure presence always is throughout, as its neither inert nor void, the pure presence that simply is, has the phenamena to be timeless, yet the pure presence is independent of the state of phenamena.
It may seem that nothingness or beginless endless pure space is the stable unchanging base of universal existence, however nothingness cannot be the source, as nothing can originate from nothingness.
The pure presence is one and only without second, with itself in yogic play, in effortless timeless Samadhi, it itself is the cause as well as the causation of the virtual universal infinite expressions in perpetual evolution, yet is not the universal existence itself, thus is beyond as well.
The yogic union of pure presence with itself, has the self sustaining sound and self illuminating light to reverberate as the expression of true in timeless manifestation. Within the pure space, the primary elements of existence, conscience and bliss virtually in fusion thus so coexist.
Thus the yogic play brings the forms to evolve in identity, consciousness and afreshness, as the expression of pure ego, pure awareness and pure emotion. The evolution is in forms not in presence, as for any evolution to occur, presence is a prerequisite.
Thus pure presence always simply is throughout within and without, as the base and yet beyond, the very same. Even as the virtual inert universal existence always is in transition with the beginning and end syndrome, the phenamena of perperpetual evolution by the very presence thus also simply is.
The virtual reality is inert, as it cannot self exist, yet it is the existential reality of true in form, even as the forms differ by transitional phenamena by the very presence. The pure presence initiates identity, liveliness and fulfilment within the evolved inert forms, as it realises and witnesses itself, as well as the evolutions, within and without, thus a living throbbing universe so coexists.
The yogic Samadhi propels the primary elements of existence, liveliness and bliss in virtual fusion to manifest in pure space with a virtual centre. The same Samadhi also has a pulling force back to the centre, the manifested universe gradually unmanifests back to nothingness.
The universal existence thus in virtual creation, sustenance and destruction within and without is also in perpetual evolution by the same pure presence. Each creation in evolution as virtual reality, is instilled with pure ego, awareness and emotion, as true reality always simply is. Thus the one and only, is the same presence yet simultaneously infinite by the versatile universal existence.
All universal creation seems to come to exist from pure space and disintegrates back. Time and place also comes to exist here, till then it is timeless and place less. Multi universes coexists likewise each with a virtual centre as their own. Each diverse and independent yet also complimentary as the origin is same.
The pure ego, pure awareness and pure emotion always the base of evolution has the primary elements to reverberate with light and sound within pure space. The formless form and effortless force thus evolves in varied dimensions, from subtle to gross, thus comes the versatile universal existence in shape.
The one and only without second, thus is simultaneously universally infinite and yet also beyond. Each forms reverberating with the same presence, as the source is same. Conversely each forms in manifestation by the very presence are in perperpetual evolution. The effortless yogic Samadhi thus being the cause and causation is also the key of well being within the yogic play.
The realization is the afreshness and the witnessing is the purity within this timeless yogic play of the self with itself along with its manifestions as a natural phenamena of evolution. However even when the universal presence is one and only the very same, it being simultaneously infinite as well, the presence that misplaces its awareness within ones manifestations only, generates ignorance of ones universal presence.
The origin of Vedas are unknown, it is assumed timeless as it is the knowledge of the universal existence and its source, Vedas thus originate with the universal existence and dissolve with the dissolution, till then it is the enquiry and solution for each existence manifested by pure presence, the depth of Vedas is seen in Upanishads it is said, the summary of Upanishads is the Bhagavad Geeta.
Krishna as the pure presence is the all attractive, tells Arjun why one must do, what is required of one to do, irrespective of the outcome, as not doing the required, brings false well being and more chaos later, it is vivek buddhi, the wisdom. As also abstaining from doing the unwanted when in path of doing is focus and clarity of deed. Doing it without anger, jealousy, fear, attachments, desires, ego and ignorance brings in purity simply in doing for the sake of well being for one and all.
The skills of such karma brings the union/yoga with pure existence described in Bhagavad-Gita as karma yog. Surrendering to providence with undiluted awareness keeps oneself near pure conscience to realize and witness it within and in everything, the knowledge of the universal existence and its source comes naturally by such, thus known as dyan yog. Undisturbed peace is ones nature when one simply rests in pure bliss irrespective of anything, as the union of the self with original purity in any form/formless, it is the bhakti yog. All three yog are actually one in essence, the yog of self existence, of pure presence is the Raj yog that is the union of all three.
Such a one is pure presence itself, the universal being and beyond, it is pure existence, conscience and bliss that self exists, thus the potential and propagation of all creativity, versatility, the all attractive, its characteristics are strength, success, detached attachment, wisdom, completeness and beauty. Krishna is the pure presence, thus effortlessly simply universal and beyond even though functional in one form for the mundane, hence is sahaj for him to show universal form to yoshada his mother even when in child form and later to Arjun at kurukhshetra.
Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita shows how the universe is the manifestation of pure presence only, thus each form in universe is lively with such presence that pervades everything within and without. Although each form is not the presence but the virtual reality, the existential reality of the true conscious reality, thus actually by itself inert, its the pure presence that generates sustains and dissolves the manifestations into constant evolution, it seems to bring life in the forms. No evolution can occur without prior existence of presence, as also inert cannot self exist, it ultimately implies self existence of presence, everything that exists, has its source to presence at any point of time, thus inert cannot validate its source, we can validate inert but presence can only be realized by ones presence
This is Maya that coexists along with pure presence, here comes the concept of God by ignorance, as if God is some entity ultimately superior to everyone and everything that created the universe for us to enjoy and serve him on earth and wherever throughout the universe. However if God hadn't created us then question of pleasures and pain would not have arisen, as also did God need us to serve him, then God seems also dependent.
Thus God is nothing but a concept, however the self existing pure presence, does influence the infinite manifestations as a natural phenomena by which the universal cyclic existence coexists as a wheel of Maya, wherein the presence becomes infinite by such universal existence, the play of awareness is a natural phenomena as well, the hierarchy of presence is by itself then the natural dimensions of purity, one can say the pure presence is God here but God did not create us, neither did we create God, we separated ourselves from pure presence or God in the play of existence/conscience /bliss and now we strive to regain our true identity, complete liveliness and fulfilled happiness in whatever we do, knowingly or unknowingly an attempt for pure existence, pure conscience and pure bliss, the nature of self existence, the nature of pure presence or GOD.
Thus the science that understands the virtual reality, is the inert science, good for the existential well being but the realization of presence in each manifested form that powers such science in the first place is the ultimate well being. During the time of Vedas-Upanishads such presence was known well, thus the science came naturally as well, later the forms were merely worshiped without presence, the ultimate well being lost by ignorance and mere rituals, the science of the inert then became more prominent for ones well being, as importance shifted to existential well being only. Saturation of prevalent science will reach its depths to realize the presence within and without once again.
Pure Presence self exists, it simply is, thus is the Brahman which has the universe to coexist in cyclic existence, reverberating as AUM, as it effortlessly realises and witnesses itself in timeless Samadhi, the inexhaustible a freshness of pure presence has infinite universes to coexist as such, thus it is the para Brahman as well, also known as Bhagavan, Narayan, Shiv, likewise, the origin as pure presence. It is utmost still that simultaneously is utmost active naturally. It pervades everything within and without, thus is paramatma. It is ultimately the source, the potential and propagation of all creativity, versatility, thus it is parameshvar.
It is the one that is simultaneously infinite, thus is Ganesh. It is the Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh that itself is begin less and endless but the beginning and end of everything, thus always the medium, ultimately the generator, the organizer and the destroyer, as the eternal presence, that has the natural phenomena of transitional virtual existence to coexist infinitely by its inexhaustible a freshness, the perpetual outcome of the existential reality of true thus also simply is.
Thus it is the trigunatmak yogmaya, the mul prakriti, the gayatri, the shakti, the ultimate energy as pure presence that propagates the presence by manifestations in multi dimensions and dissolves it back. It is the all attractive Krishna that is always the same pure presence throughout the yog Leela, the inexhaustible a freshness in infinite play of existence, conscience and bliss. Thus it is the purushottam, that transcends the true and virtual realities as also pervades it within and without.
Geeta was narated by Bhagavan to Arjun on the vast battlefield of Kurukshetra, narated by Bhagavan svayam hence known as Bhagavat Geeta, this year Geeta Jayanti was on 11th Dec.
Actually this was a world war wherein about 40 Lakh men participated from world over, only 3 from kauravas : ( Ashwathama, Krutvarma and Krupacharya) and 7 from Pandavas : ( Shree Krushna, 5 Pandavas and Satyaki) were alive, all rest died here.
Bhagavad Geeta tells us, our well being lies only in taming our body, mind and intellect, that is our kshetra to its optimum and get the natural obvious outcome. The better one tames ones kshetra in which we seem to dwell, the better can one bring the existential well being. However we are not the kshetra itself but only the influencer of kshetra, the kshetra is our tool of functioning in the manifested vishwa.
Hence one must not get bound by the results of kshetra, positive or negative it maybe but getting attached in doership, misplaces ones awareness in kshetra only and creates ignorance of ones true self, which generates alter ego of kshetra, unstable it is as either inflated or deflated by attachments of outcomes, it binds oneself to the kshetra, as if one is kshetra itself and superficially limits oneself as such, till one cleanses the misplaced awareness that created the ignorance in the first place.
However in all activities, even when performing to the optimum, when one remains unbound, in the state of unbiased realization and as such a witness, what remains is merely pure presence, the pure ego of ones true nature that simply is, irrespective of anything, simply by itself.
Krodha, matsara, bhaya, lobha, kama, mada and moha gets cleansed by the collective karma, dyan and bhakti yog, the alter ego withers itself, what remains is the pure ego which was always there at the base, thus is the secret of purity.
Even Bhagavan swayam does not take upon the doership, although bhagwan is the obvious base of all outcomes, being sarvakarankaram. Thus Bhagavan is the purest or rather purity itself, the pure presence that simply is, the beginless/endless self existence itself. Inert cannot self exist nor can it exert itself into existence, thus the base as self existence is not inert but pure existence, pure conscience and pure bliss.
That by default, the pure presence is the natural potential and propagation of all universal creativity versatility, yet it is not the universal existence itself, as it is not inert. Thus the universal existence is a virtual reality that simply coexists as a natural phenamena that simply is because pure presence simply is.
Although as the universal existence does not self exist, it is always in transition with beginning and end syndrome, constantly in refreshing mode by inexhaustible afreshness of pure presence as timeless base.
By the tools of kshetra one cannot know the kshetragnya as kshetra is inert, it by itself cannot be the knower but keeping the kshetra pure by physical fitness, intellectual awareness and emotional soundness, one can unbound oneself if in bondage.
Then and otherwise the kshetragnya always simply realises and witness itself effortlessly as Satchitanand. Our true pure self is always all revealing itself when unbound in kshetra, then the kshetra is merely a natural phenamena of manifested kshetragnya.
Its the timeless play of pure presence, the one and only without second is simultaneously universally infinite and beyond.
१) ॐ ॐ ॐ
२) ॐ श्रीगणेशाय गँ गणपतये नमः
ॐ श्रीगणेशाय गँ गणपतये नमः
ॐ श्रीगणेशाय गँ गणपतये नमः
३) ॐ भूर्भुवःस्वः तत् सवितुर्वरेण्यं भर्गो देवस्य धीमहि धियो योनः प्रचोदयात्
ॐ भूर्भुवःस्वः तत् सवितुर्वरेण्यं भर्गो देवस्य धीमहि धियो योनः प्रचोदयात्
ॐ भूर्भुवःस्वः तत् सवितुर्वरेण्यं भर्गो देवस्य धीमहि धियो योनः प्रचोदयात्
४) ॐ श्रीसवित्रृ सूर्य नारायणाय नमः
ॐ श्रीसवित्रृ सूर्य नारायणाय नमः
ॐ श्रीसवित्रृ सूर्य नारायणाय नमः
५) ॐ नमो भगवते श्रीविष्णवे वासुदेवाय
ॐ नमो भगवते श्रीविष्णवे वासुदेवाय
ॐ नमो भगवते श्रीविष्णवे वासुदेवाय
६) ॐ रूद्राय नमः शिवाय श्रीतत्पुरूषाय
ॐ रूद्राय नमः शिवाय श्रीतत्पुरूषाय
ॐ रूद्राय नमः शिवाय श्रीतत्पुरूषाय
७) ॐ ऐं ह्रीं क्लीं चामुन्डायै विच्चे नारायणी भगवती शिवे मूलप्रकृति योगेश्वरी योगमाये
ॐ ऐं ह्रीं क्लीं चामुन्डायै विच्चे नारायणी भगवती शिवे मूलप्रकृति योगेश्वरी योगमाये
ॐ ऐं ह्रीं क्लीं चामुन्डायै विच्चे नारायणी भगवती शिवे मूलप्रकृति योगेश्वरी योगमाये
८) ॐ श्रीं कृष्णस्य श्रीकृष्णाय नमः
ॐ श्रीं कृष्णस्य श्रीकृष्णाय नमः
ॐ श्रीं कृष्णस्य श्रीकृष्णाय नमः
९) ॐ ॐ ॐ
१) ईश्वर: परम: कृष्ण: सच्चित्तानन्द परब्रह्म !
कृष्ण:स्तु भगवान् स्वयं परमात्मने सर्वकारणकारणम् !!
२) विष्णूं जिष्णूं महाविष्णूम् !
प्रभविष्णूम् हरे कृष्णम् !!
अनादिमध्यान्तम् संपूर्ण: शूध्ध: शाश्वतम् !
एकमेवम् स्वयंसिध्ध: योग:लीले सर्वादिमध्यान्तम् !!
३) शान्ताकारम् भुजगशयनं पद्मनाभम् सुरेशम् !
विष्वाधारम् गगनसदृशं मेघवर्णम् शुभांगम् !!
लक्ष्मीकान्तम् कमलनयनम् योगिभीर्ध्यानगम्यम् !
वन्दे विष्णूं भवभयहरम् सर्वलोकैकनाथम् !!
४) सशंखचक्रगदापद्मम् सकिरीटकूंणडलपीतवस्त्रम् !
सहारवक्ष:स्थलकोस्तुभश्रीयम् जिष्णूं वन्दे चतुर्भूजम् !!
५) नमोस्त्वनन्ताय सहस्रमूर्तये सहस्रपादाक्षीक्षिरोरूबाहवे !
सहस्रनामने महाविष्णवे सहस्रकोटियुगधारिणेनमः !!
६) यंब्रम्हावरूणेन्द्ररूद्रमरूतः स्तून्वन्तीदिव्यैहीस्तवैर्वेदैही !
सांगपदक्रमोपनिषदैर्गायन्तीयंसामगाः !!
ध्यानावस्थिततदगतेनमनसापश्यन्तीयंयोगिनो !
यस्यान्तम्नविदुःसुरासुरगणाप्रभविष्णवेतस्मैनमः !!
७) नमःपुरस्तादथपृस्ठतस्ते नमोस्तुतेसर्वतएवसर्व !
नमोनमस्तेस्तुसहस्रकृत्वा पुनश्चभुयोपिनमोनमस्ते !!
८) शरणम् सदा श्रीकृष्णम् मम् सदा श्रीकृष्णम् कीर्तनम् !
ध्यानम् सदा श्रीकृष्णम् मम् श्रीकृष्णम् वन्दे पुनः पुनः!!
९) औषधे चिन्तयेत् विष्णूं भोजनेच जनार्दनम् !
शयने पज्ञनाभंच विवाहेच प्रजापतीम् !!
१०) युद्धे चक्रधरंदेवं प्रवासेच त्रिविक्रमम् !
नारायणं तनुत्यागे श्रीधरं प्रियसंगमे !!
११) दुःस्वप्ने स्मर गोविंदम् संकटे मधुसूदनम् !
कानने नारसिंहंच पावके जलशायिनम् !!
१२) जलमध्ये वराहंच पर्वते रघुनन्दनम् !
गमने वामनंच कार्येषु माधवम् !!
१३) मत्स्यम् कूर्मम् वराहंच वामनम् च जनार्दनम् !
गोविन्दम् पुंडरीकाक्षं माधवम् मधुसूदनम् !!
१४)पज्ञनाभं सहस्राक्षं वनमालीं हलायुधम् !
गोवर्धनम् हृषिकेशं वैकुंठम् पुरूषोत्तमम् !!
१५) विश्वरूपं वासुदेवं रामम् नारायणम् हरिम् !
दामोदरम् श्रीधरम् च वेदान्गम् गरूडध्वजम् !!
१६) केशवम् अच्यूतं श्रीकृष्णम् सर्वभूत्भवोद्भवम् !
सर्वेश्वरम् सर्वज्ञम् सर्वोत्मम् सर्वत्रं ये योगेश्वरम् !!
१७)अनन्तम् कृष्ण गोपालं भजतो नासति पातकम् !
भजन्तिये पुष्कराक्षं न ते यान्ति पराभवम् !!
१८) वसुदेवसूतम् देवं कँसचाणूर मरदनम् !
देवकी परमानन्दम् कृष्णम् वन्दे जगद्गुरूम् !!
१९) विपरीतेषु कालेशु परिक्षिणेशु बन्धुशू !
त्राहिमाम् कृपया कृष्ण शरणागतवत्सल !!
२०) पज्ञपत्रविशालाक्ष पज्ञनाभ सुरोत्तम !
भक्तानामनुरक्तानाम् त्राता भव जनार्दन !!
२१) मुकंकरोति वाचालं पंगूम् लंघयते गिरीम् !
यत्कृपातमहम् वन्दे परमानन्द माधवम् !!
२२)कृष्णाय वासुदेवाय हरये परमात्मने !
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ORIGIN
All that has a beginning must have an end, as before it came into existence, it did not exist, hence it cannot be eternal, thus also all that ends must have a beginning.
All forms with a beginning and end are always in transition, as since they are not eternal, they cannot be in a stable state. Regeneration or decay is the natural existence of all forms in transition, the ultimate state being transformation, the base for the beginning and end syndrome. Thus conversely all forms in transition always have a beginning and end as they are not eternal.
Within the transition the initial forms only transform to other various forms, hence all that is, cannot cease to exist, as also all that is not, cannot come to exist. Thus as a whole nothing is created nor destroyed, only transformed, the earlier forms are beginning of the newer forms by its very end.
All forms in transition have a beginning and end, hence although they are complimentary with each other in existence, they as a whole must have an origin, as all forms with beginning and end syndrome being dependent for existence, cannot self exist.
By the various configuration of primary elements, has the various forms to so exist, change in configuration creates the change in forms yet there is no overall change in primary elements, which is the base. However since interactions of primary elements are in fact the forms in existence, as forms have beginning and end, the configuration of primary elements also have the same syndrome by default. So also as the primary elements are always in some configuration, they as well cannot self exist without a prior source.
All the universal existence thus always in transition, with beginning and end, ever dependent on prior source, cannot self exist. Hence an ultimate origin must exist which is not within the transitional universe, which is beginless endless self existence itself, that is beginning, medium and end of all universal existence, a prerequisite as an origin. In fact this universe is the proof in itself that such an origin simply is.
The origin of universal existence cannot be inert, as inert cannot exert itself into existence without outer force acting upon it. However since origin is the only existence prior to any existence, no outer force exists except the origin itself. Hence the origin as self existence itself is the beginless endless pure existence, since its not inert its pure liveliness the conscience itself, as also it's beyond decay, nor requires regeneration, it simply is, always afresh, its pure bliss itself.
From the beginless endless origin as self existence itself, originates a transitional universe. Obviously the origin does not literally transform into universal existence, as otherwise it would not be the origin, the origin being beyond beginning and end syndrome.
Yet this transitional universe is observed, however this literally is not possible as origin is beyond transition. Thus since origin self exists and universe needs the origin as base, then actually only origin can truly exist as real, the universe then is a virtual reality that simply coexists as a natural phenamena.
The origin as the beginless endless self existence itself, is the pure presence that simply is, as pure existence, pure conscience and pure bliss. The one and only without second, it realizes and witnesses itself effortlessly in timeless Samadhi. The inexhaustible a freshness by itself is the natural potential and propagation of all universal creativity versatility, yet the creation is not the origin itself.
The beginless endless self existence itself as pure presence that simply is, has three fold phenamena to coexist all at once, as it effortlessly is in natural state of self realisation, that also witnesses itself in timeless Samadhi.
Firstly it is pure existence, conscience and bliss, the pure presence that simply is, the witness, the timeless natural potential in effortless phenamena of propagation of all universal creativity versatility.
Secondly it is a subject in Samadhi with pure ego/I, pure awareness/intelligence and pure emotion/mind, thus the true reality is inherent always.
Thirdly the inexhaustible afreshness of the Samadhi has the virtual reality to coexist as a natural phenamena, the object of realization in manifestation thus always is inherent as the beginless endless pure space, effortless primodial force and primary formless form.
By the timeless Samadhi of pure presence, the essence as self existence itself is realized and witnessed, thus the true and virtual realities so coexist as the subject in presence and object in manifestation. The essence of existence, liveliness and bliss, as primary elements, is thus in perpetual virtual evolution, as also the effortless force reverberates as self illuminating, self sustaining primordial light and sound, within the stillness of beginless endless pure space, while the pure presence always simply is.
The virtual reality is the existential reality of the true, the expression of presence taking form virtually while the pure presence always simply is, a natural phenomenon of coexistence since origin is as such. Thus the virtual reality is not an illusion but not true as well, yet always in evolution as the expression of true, an eternal play of yog is evident.
Nothing can come to exist without presence at any point of time, as pure presence is the only true existence. The universal existence even though actually cannot truly exist, yet from nothingness it virtually comes to exist, sustains and disintegrates back to nothingness, due to the timeless pure presence that always simply is.
All that begins must end and begin again, since the source as pure presence always is throughout, as its neither inert nor void, the pure presence that simply is, has the phenamena to be timeless, yet the pure presence is independent of the state of phenamena.
It may seem that nothingness or beginless endless pure space is the stable unchanging base of universal existence, however nothingness cannot be the source, as nothing can originate from nothingness.
The pure presence is one and only without second, with itself in yogic play, in effortless timeless Samadhi, it itself is the cause as well as the causation of the virtual universal infinite expressions in perpetual evolution, yet is not the universal existence itself, thus is beyond as well.
The yogic union of pure presence with itself, has the self sustaining sound and self illuminating light to reverberate as the expression of true in timeless manifestation. Within the pure space, the primary elements of existence, conscience and bliss virtually in fusion thus so coexist.
Thus the yogic play brings the forms to evolve in identity, consciousness and afreshness, as the expression of pure ego, pure awareness and pure emotion. The evolution is in forms not in presence, as for any evolution to occur, presence is a prerequisite.
Thus pure presence always simply is throughout within and without, as the base and yet beyond, the very same. Even as the virtual inert universal existence always is in transition with the beginning and end syndrome, the phenamena of perperpetual evolution by the very presence thus also simply is.
The virtual reality is inert, as it cannot self exist, yet it is the existential reality of true in form, even as the forms differ by transitional phenamena by the very presence. The pure presence initiates identity, liveliness and fulfilment within the evolved inert forms, as it realises and witnesses itself, as well as the evolutions, within and without, thus a living throbbing universe so coexists.
The yogic Samadhi propels the primary elements of existence, liveliness and bliss in virtual fusion to manifest in pure space with a virtual centre. The same Samadhi also has a pulling force back to the centre, the manifested universe gradually unmanifests back to nothingness.
The universal existence thus in virtual creation, sustenance and destruction within and without is also in perpetual evolution by the same pure presence. Each creation in evolution as virtual reality, is instilled with pure ego, awareness and emotion, as true reality always simply is. Thus the one and only, is the same presence yet simultaneously infinite by the versatile universal existence.
All universal creation seems to come to exist from pure space and disintegrates back. Time and place also comes to exist here, till then it is timeless and place less. Multi universes coexists likewise each with a virtual centre as their own. Each diverse and independent yet also complimentary as the origin is same.
The pure ego, pure awareness and pure emotion always the base of evolution has the primary elements to reverberate with light and sound within pure space. The formless form and effortless force thus evolves in varied dimensions, from subtle to gross, thus comes the versatile universal existence in shape.
The one and only without second, thus is simultaneously universally infinite and yet also beyond. Each forms reverberating with the same presence, as the source is same. Conversely each forms in manifestation by the very presence are in perperpetual evolution. The effortless yogic Samadhi thus being the cause and causation is also the key of well being within the yogic play.
The realization is the afreshness and the witnessing is the purity within this timeless yogic play of the self with itself along with its manifestions as a natural phenamena of evolution. However even when the universal presence is one and only the very same, it being simultaneously infinite as well, the presence that misplaces its awareness within ones manifestations only, generates ignorance of ones universal presence.
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Wow what an informative discussion. Totally loved it
Wonderful , amazing podcast
Bohot accha podcast
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Nileshji is right because he gives many evidence of Astronomy
Insightful conversation ❤
Thanks for bringing them. Love from Bangladesh. ❤
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Fantastic discussion. We need such intelligent, respectful of the opponent, efforts by bktg the speakers to tell in as easy manner as possible for the lsy person in the audience and a non-partisan anchor. Thank you for this podcast.❤❤
Gret Duos , Thanks for this efforts.
Damn! Extremely excellent discussion. I'm surprised that this video has very few views.
Jyotish hi ankhe hai ved ki kyu kaha gya hai ......aaj perfect dikh raha hai ❤❤❤❤❤
दोनों ही पक्षों की बातों में इतनी गूढता है कि जिसका कोई आरा नहीं है। मगर फिर भी प्रश्न तो यही रह गया कि सत्य क्या है। यदि नीलेश जी कहीं पर परंपरा को नहीं संतुष्ट कर पाए तो ऐसा क्यों और वेदवीरजी यदि वैज्ञानिक साक्ष्यों को संतुष्ट नहीं कर पाए तो ऐसा क्यों? ऐसा तो नहीं हो सकता कि एक महाभारत 7500 साल पहले हुई और एक 5000 साल पहले, क्या घट रहा है यह समझना बहुत कठिन हो गया। मैं नहीं समझ पाया। मुझे दोनों ही एक से सटीक लगें। परन्तु माना तो एक ही जायेगा 🙂
Good work thank you
This is the beauty of Sanatan dharma and practicing Hindus who debate and evolve… Not blindly believe something written by some flying book
Thanku for uploading. Wait over.
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These are called real wise people have guts to proof their opinions with proper backing.. naa ki udhar idhar like so called scientific temperament show karne wala log.
i was waiting for this 😇😍❤️🔥🔥
Thanks for the divided chapters. Many podcasters these days lack this basic sense to put chapters in videos this long.
Much awaited , the works of sri Vedaveer Arya ji is wonderful .
The greatest vaad we were waiting for
Jay Sri Ram 🚩
😂jinping n bhi bol diya, JAI SHREE RAM 😊
Great 2 biggies of Sanatan Chronology at one stage!