Several Christmas traditions also came from A Christmas Carol. It not only made the holiday more popular, it also led to encouraging generosity, family gatherings, seasonal food, wishing people Merry Christmas, and gift giving, among other traditions we all know today.
Please don't keep showing this to friends. It's full if misinformation and its central claim-that Christmas is a pagan holiday-has no historical evidence to back it up. Christians were celebrating the Christ Mass long before Europe was Christianized. Christmas trees almost certainly have no connection to any pruported Yule celebrations. There is no evidence that Saturnalia was celebrated on the 25th of December. Etc., etc. Look up Religion for Breakfast's videos on Christmas traditions. Unlike Adam, he goes into the actual historical data to paint a much more informed picture of where these things all came from.
I did a detailed oral report on Saturnalia in the 8th grade after being assigned "Christmas" as the subject for my report; the class thought I was a crazy person, religious teacher included!
Not only all of this, but when we celebrate "Christmas" we're NOT celebrating birth of Yeshua we're celebrating the sun "god" that the Romans worshipped. All the pride and thanks don't even go to Yeshua. And it doesn't just stop with Christmas. It's all basic "holidays". You want to celebrate anything around the winter time, celebrate Hanukkah
As a Christian, it’s 100% true! Nothing makes my hair stand up more than “Christmas is a sacred Christian holiday!” No...it was designed to cover up the orgies, lol! I love this time of year, and it’s great for ministry, but it’s not formed by God. The only thing we’re asked to observe is communion and the sabbath day! And yes, I’m a Biblical major as well, lol! 👍🏻
the holidays are what you make of it, man. I think its a great holiday for the cold months and family and if thats not what its supposed to be then whatever, its my families' Christmas not yours.
The question here is whether IP's video on Christmas is wrong. Even if every single video he had ever made before that video were wrong, it wouldn't mean he is wrong on Christmas. You are using the genetic fallacy here.
Christmas isn't what you make if, but the random pagan traditions that modern American culture celebrates around the same time are whatever you make them.
Kris Reese celebrating Christmas is disobedience to God, you don’t get to put your own rules on something God said not to do. Jeremiah 10, tells you not to put a Christmas tree up. So your point again is?
Passover people. Thats what Christians should be celebrating Plain and simple. It's the only holiday mentioned in the bible. And it's full of traditions and story telling.
And another truth is that Christmas is WAY too commercialized nowadays, greedy companies putting Christmas stuff out mid-September to get as much money as they can :)
Christmas wasn't always about giving or being with your love ones and it will never be. If they want the true spirit of Christmas to be celebrated, maybe the Catholic priests and Protestant preachers needed to confess for molesting a children honestly and live in front of all the people.
The only indication in the new testament as to when jesus was born is the passage regarding the shepherds, which indicates that he was born in the spring. This fits with the first century jewish tradition that prophets always died on their birthday. That said, this is only an indication of when the early christian writers believed that he was born, and the former may very well have been formulated based on the latter.
well it's partly based on descriptions of temperature and logic. Basically if Jesus was born in December he would be frozen by the morning due to the severe temperatures of the desert night during winter (joseph and mary might not have even made it to the farm because they would have likely died due to hypothermia on the way). There is also the instance of the shepherds journey which based on the description of the north star and the fact this indicates he was born during spring which completly throws the myth that he was born in christmas out the window. Matter of fact easter is closer to the birth of jesus, weird huh?
This is actually wrong. Most theologians and historians put his birth in September for a number of reasons. Most importantly are the historians of the age like Josephus (Jewish roman historian) and Lucian (full roman historian) among others. The misconception is that Christians get all their information from the bible and the bible alone. This is not the case the apocrypha and other texts hold many canonical books and we take a lot from non-bias historians at the time because we realize if we just use someone like Josephus any information could come out bias. But when you combine the information written by both a bias and non-bias historian and it matches up well that just leads to the truth and actual facts. This is why people who take roman history for full fact and scoff at roman era biblical history crack me up. Because those same people do the same thing they blame Christians of doing which is believing in something without facts. But almost everything we know of that time period from Rome comes from three historians including the two i have mentioned and the third i didn't simply because i can not remember his name nor do i feel like trying to look it up.
Christopher Tarver "But almost everything we know of that time period from Rome comes from three historians " I think you'll find that the first century AD is a little better sourced than that.
Absolutely, but as Rome dominated the world most of that specific time frame and for that specific region most of what we take for christian history(outside of sacred texts) comes from a handful of historians such as titus and lucian among the plethora of other written history or events. But i would argue for you to find a source from the first century that wasn't a part of the roman people that is used in arguments today. The main reason those few historians are talked about in context more often to the rest is for a number of reasons most importantly how close they where to the time frame of Christs death. The further you get from an event the further from the truth most people get. This can be seen in a number of examples from King James placing stories that were popular on the streets in his bible that where never in the text before to more secular events like the battle of 1066 in Hasting where monks wrote about a extremely high soldier count when there isn't any possible way those amount of men could even fit onto the field of battle at the time.
Actually a lot more was left out. There is evidence that a form of Christmas was celebrated even before the Romans; and it involved decorating an evergreen tree with gold and silver. The Old Testament even has an obscure passage condemning it...oHHHH the irony!
Oh I agree it like Easter were we have the resurrecting of Christ but then we have the Easter Bunny. For the Easter Bunny is this Pagan part of this holiday represents fertility... and we have our kids looking for the Easter eggs that a Bunny laid. Figure that one out lol
Love how they're animated like The Peanuts Gang in "A Charlie Brown Christmas"! He should have also parodied the Rankin-Bass Christmas Specials with stop-motion puppets of himself and his sister!!
Also seems like a logical thing to do that close to the winter solstice when there's not a lot of sunlight and everything is cold and dark. Why not throw a party at the darkest time of year? Makes sense to me. There's no sunlight but we can have tons of pretty lights, family, tasty food, a spirit of giving and generosity... makes it a lot nicer :)
A lot of the old Christmas stuff has been transferred to other holidays. Mardi Gras/Carnival contains a lot of the crazy drunk fests. Also Trick or Treating in Halloween has partial origins in the “knocking on other doors to get stuff if they don’t they got threatened with Christmas violence”.
Oh boy, do people drink around Christmas. Our Christmas parties are known for people hooking up and as far as I know infidelity spikes during Jul. But it's really what you make it.
Grumpy Stormtrooper Im going to asume they are just obsesed with their Christianity.... In my science class in High Shool they never even mentioned evolution. I learned about this on RUclips.
Grumpy Stormtrooper Because society is so harsh on "keeping Christmas christian" that they won't let any actual history proving otherwise be taught. They just straight up refuse it.
that's why the battle of Trenton happened in the revolutionary war. a bunch of German mercenaries partied and got drunk for Christmas and the Americans who didn't took them by surprise and attacked
Wanna know the fun part? My namesake, St. Anastasia, has her feast day on Dec 25. She was a Roman martyr who stood up to her pagan husband and the government for her faith, and was so honored by her courage (and her miraculous survival of multiple execution attempts), she’s named in the long form of the Mass. Since Christmas started being celebrated on the 25th, she just became another name no one can pronounce right :/
Don't bother. Some of the big Creationists aren't mistaken, just liars. I realized that about Ken Ham about the time Hitchens defined atheism for him again and Ham, despite having been told this definition previously, is like "So you're claiming it's some kind of ah-theism..."
Best estimates are Jesus was born in September, like Harry Potter was born in July, both fictional biographies but if you want to be proper about your religion or fanclub, at least get it right.
Eric Ling And Jesus didn't exist in your version of history? Because an overwhelming majority of historians attest that Jesus was a real person. Whether you believe in his divinity or not, you cannot dispute his existence: It's not fictional.
Sure I can, mostly because I don't care, a guy named Bob probably existed too, and his friends may have made myths about him like Chuck Norris jokes. Does it matter if anyone celebrates his not-birthday? Happy not-birthday Bob!
Eric Ling I agree with your statement that the birth of Jesus did not occur on December 25. However, your statement about how Jesus is fictional is simply untrue.
Logan Smith A century ago, most historians did NOT believe in a historical Jesus, and there is literally no new evidence. What most historians believe, is almost entirely irrelevant, as there is no actual historical evidence of Jesus existence.
Probably the ONLY smart thing about the Jehovah Witnesses is that they dont celebrate Christmas. They are a cult themselves. There are so many things wrong with Jehovah witnesses it’s not even funny
@@TyrellWellickEcorp cult is defined by worshipping a figure or a man....who or what are they worshipping?...I love how people say these things but mostly it's just there personal feeling rather than facts...you might have the confused with the Mormons who worship a man
@Melly Kwan Even if it doesn’t meet the dictionary definition of a cult, you have to admit that the religion has qualities that resemble cults. It definitely hits many points on the BITE model, for instance. Personally, I have a few friends who were disfellowshipped from the Jehovah’s Witnesses for a variety of reasons, most of which are no big deal. Their families who are JWs are required to shun them, and they can have the same thing happen to them if they refuse. It’s just so frustrating to watch the way members of their congregation turn away when they walk by. For anyone looking to learn more about this issue, I would recommend a RUclipsr called Telltale. He used to be a JW and talks a lot about the abuses of the religion.
Adam, I wished a whole lot more people viewed the majority of your videos and became more informed about very common misconceptions. Knowledge is power and people need to change the views that they blindly believed because they were told by someone they trusted
The two nativity stories (Matthew and Luke) both state that the shepherds were out in the fields with their flocks. That happened only during early spring, when late winter rains brought fresh grass to the region. Sheep were literally wealth, so normally they were kept locked away safely in pens, but during lambing season at the end of winter, after the stores of hay had been depleted, it was necessary to make sure the ewes and lambs had plenty of fresh food. Thus, taking the risks to have your money exposed to wolves and bandits. So while we don't know exactly when Jesus was born, the Bible states with absolute certainty that he was born in the spring.
This is one I actually knew about! The Wiccan and Pagan holiday Yule, or the winter solstice. Perfect times for doing spells because of the moon's position....
remember to thank Scotland Ireland, Germany, and spain. For all the happy songs and too much alcohol. Without it we would still be fighting rich people.
This video will always have a special place in my atheist heart since it was one of the videos that opened my eyes to the lie that is organized religion 😊😊
An unfortunate fact then is that most of the history is this video is highly inaccurate. It over-exaggerated to a massive degree the holidays’ connections and focused on very particular regional elements of the Christmas in the past. So while I’m not religious by any means, it’s unfortunate that this video gets so much wrong.
You missed out how the puritan leader of England Oliver Cromwell banned Christmas after winning the civil war and executing the king. He made himself the Lord Protector of England and banned the theater, drinking and made Christmas a time of fasting. But people hated fasting at Christmas so much that when he died they brought back the dead Kings son, Charles II. The Puritans disbanded soon after and many of them went to America.
For those who might be curious, there are a few things from the Christian tradition that weren’t fully explained here: First of all, it’s absolutely true that the actual birth of Christ is not exactly known. However, it is worth recognizing and celebrating as a Christian because it the beginning of the perfect reconciliation process. Christians believe that Christ is the light of the world, and the son of God. So, taking a pagan holiday that is celebrated by observing light coming to the world after the winter solstice, and converting the “birth of the sun” to “birth of the son” seemed pretty straight forward. The tradition of giving Christmas gifts actually originated from German reformer Martin Luther, who loved the celebrating the time of year that we recognize the incarnation so much, that he would give small presents out of pure joy.
Sometimes I watch these and wonder "How is this ruining anything? I KNEW this already by reading books, articles, and whatever I can get my hands on at school." Then I remember some people don't read and have problems having a coherent thought.
@@cerysgibby7542 I meant scholarly sources, not popular magazine articles. Times Educational Supplement is a popular weekly magazine from the UK. It isn't peer reviewed, and this research is a joke. He is asserting that Christians assimilated Yule, but the first record of Yule comes from a 13th century reference to a 9th century King of Norway. The first recorded Christmas sermon comes from the year 300. That is the sort of piss-poor scholarship that passes for 'citing a source' for an audience so undereducated they are never going to check his facts because... whoah.. .he's obnoxious so he must be right.
@@bruceburns405 1. Something doesn't have to be a scholarly reference to be correct. They can be a great source of information, even if they aren't peer-reviewed. As long as you don't take the super seriously, it's fine. 2. It sounds like you just looked at the first source that popped up and though all the sources were from magazines, while others were taken from published books. (1:33) (global.oup.com/academic/product/christmas-in-the-crosshairs-9780190499006?cc=nz&lang=en&) 3. This show is not a scholarly show. It's "information entertainment".
Not to mention that if you look at the stories of when Mary found out she was pregnant and when they went to Bethlehem, plus the historical records around when that tax counting took place, jesus was more likely to be born in late spring early summer.
This isnt completely true. As far back as the roman times, Christians celebrated christmas as a way to have their own celebration to stop Christians divulging in the pagan festivals
Where did you do your research for this? There are records from the very first Christian council showing how they chose December 25 to celebrate the birth of Christ. The Roman winter solstice was part of it, but another reason it was chosen was because it was 9 months after the Feast of the Annunciation, which is associated with Mary's conception of Jesus. The fact that some cultures happened to throw wild parties during the the winter solstice around that same time is pure coincidence.
I didn't realize for so long that the Christian that climbed the tree and put the cross on it at around 1:15 was the voice of the younger frog from the Leap Frog learning movies, lol...
Not to mention all the solar good stuff like haloes and being a light for the world. Some even think Jesus was a straight-up Roman rip-off of Mithras, Heracles, and the like. Others suggest we can blame the Flavian emperors for him.
Almost all names of the American days in a week have pagan roots as well. Such as Saturday-Saturn's day, Thursday-Thor's day, and some other one's as well.
Let's be the Christmas Grinch and deliver a knock--down of the most eggregious mistakes here: Birth of Christ being in December is unlikely, but possible. Elisabeth, the cousin of Mary became pregnant when her husband was serving in the temple. Her husband Zachariah was a priest and his time to serve was in late September. And Elisabeth was 6 months pregnant when Mary became pregnant, which would be late March. Nine months later is December. There is evidence of Christians celebrating Jesus' birth in December from the third century, way earlier than the necessity to write over a popular pagan festival was timely, so it is unlikely that the pagan celebration was the cause of the date. Also we have Christian sermons from the early to late fourth century that contrast the wild raving of the pagans with the solemn Christian holiday, meaning that both were an established custom, not trying to intentionally compete. Also, the idea that Saturnalia was replaced by Christmas to make Christianity popular was a 19th century puritan myth, hardly a rigorous and objective study on the history of the festival. Next, norse people celebrating Yule 2000 years ago is obvious bunk, we have no literary culture for those people from that period, and scant evidence. Maybe 1000 years later it was possible. I have seen no evidence.Yule was an important festivity. Saturnalia actually came to influence Christmas celebration. It was not however, a continuity from antiquity. Rather, in the High Middle Ages the interest of Roman history and custom became a fashion and they read about the old festivities of Saturnalia and decided to add a little romp and raucousness to the festivity by reviving Saturnalia customs. It was a conscious effort, not a mixup or secret paganism. The Christmas tree was adopted in Germany in opposition to pagan customs as Germanic pagans worshipped oaks and mistles, the fir tree being evergreen is a symbol of eternal life and specifically the tree of the fruit of everlasting life, as opposed to the changing oak, a symbol of the seasons and change. So that is wrong. Giving gifts was also a specifically Christian tradition, remembering the magi, and the generousity of St. Nicholas, the real life counterpart to Santa Claus. The jokey gifts given in English countries are a middle ages tradition revived from ancient Roman custom, but those gifts are supposed to be a joke, whereas the serious gifts at Christmas are a Christian tradition. Lastly, there is no American Christmas, it is just an amalgamation of English and German custom, mixed with bits and bobs here and there. Santa Claus lives in Lapland, as the North Pole is just frozen ocean that could not support hundreds of elves or workshops. And Santa was red way before Coca Cola.
Actually the bible states that when jesus was born the shepherds where out in the fields sleeping with thier flocks. A thing they only did during the summer as it would have been far to cold in the winter. Christians celebrating in the 3rd century just proves that there was no evidence of the jesus character really being known prior also lines up directly with the romans pushing the holiday and not the church. While you point to norse as vikings and yet we do know that over 2000 years ago the north lands had people living their and thier customs were recorded. As they had also been passed down and shared many of the same with Germany. Saturnella was celebrated back during the B.C.E. time line and is directly related to even older pagan customs and celebrations. As is the spring celebrations. Which libes up with the tree theory as the pagans would have chosen such a tree as a symbol of life. The bible also points out pagan customs of selecting such trees when it talks about how wrong it is to cut sown a tree and set it up in your house and to decorate it. Yeah Santa did wear red before coca-cola but the vast majority of his image was shaped by them including the white trim of cotton on his outfit the rosey cheeks, hat, and mittens. Also with santa being based off some norse mythology as two of his reindeer are named thunder and lightning in german which also happened to be similar to thors flying sled pulled by two animals....boars or stags I don't recall
@@danielessex2162 Shepherds being out in winter is unlikely, but not impossible. It is certainly not too cold to be out, just it was not common. The biblical narrative suggests the birth in the late year, due to when Zechariah served in the temple, which was September, after which he impregnated Elisabeth, six months later Mary's pregnancy began. Christians celebrating it in the third century, when it was not yet the major religion, means that there was no power nor inpetus for the church to try to over-write and confuse a pagan and christian celebration. The point is there is no reason, motivation nor usefulness to conflate the two celebrations, which is evidence that the timing of the celebration was unrelated to any other festival at that time. Your point about fir trees is factually wrong. We KNOW that the custom stems from Germans whose holy tree was holly and oak and the fir was specifically chosen in opposition to that. It is known. In the book of Jeremiah the references to trees are referenced as symbols of Ashera and Istar a goddess of fertility (and battle) whose celebrations were fertility festivals unrelated to midwinter. It is an incidental superficial connection, not related to christmas trees. And sure, some syncretism happened but it is more accidental like Santa's reindeer, who are probably a conflation of Sami myths and Thor's goats. That makes sense. Also Norse people may have had similar tradions at AD 1 and AD 1000, but there is simply no evidence for this as they were a pre-literate culture in AD 1.
@@psevdhome oh and also Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant when Jesus was born she didn't get pregnant when jesus was born. Zechariah's temple service was for Abijah which ends in June. Which John was born when he got home.... In or just after June. Which means Jesus was born 3 months prior in March or April.
@@danielessex2162 You have your chronology slightly skewed, but it seems that you are right. Elisabeth became pregnant once Zachariah's service ended. But according to that scheme Jesus would have been born in late Autumn, not Winter. But that assumes that the priestly order worked as it was described in scripture as instituted. There is evidence that due to the cessasition of service in the temple the proper order was disrupted.
I think this version was modified to be "advertiser-friendly" regarding the guideline about sensitive subjects. If you saw the original CH post, the guy holding the sign "keep Saturn in Saturnalia" at 0:40 spoke, giving time to the viewer to realize the joke referring to today's protestors shouting to keep Christ in Christmas. Here, the scene is abruptly cut to keep things more to the point, like what news should be, but this is a comedy show based on surprising facts. We are allowed to be informed and to laugh to de-dramatise related tension. Personally, I prefer the original version; having a Roman speak in the scene is a good animation and storytelling choice.
The fact is though, ancient Christian writers built the timing for the birth of Christ from the Scriptural observation that Zechariah was on duty on Yom Kippur (September 23). This observation comes from the information we find in the gospel of Luke. “Once when Zechariah’s division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense. And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside. Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense” (Luke 1:8-11).
The only thing they have right. Other than that they ban beards, shun ex members, and wrongly predicted the end of the world multiple times with no scriptural basis.
+Sam-Mart Entertainment They don't ban beards, they just say they try to look the most presentable they can, and adapt to the customs of where they are, in many European and Middle Eastern areas, they can have beards because it is custom example. They shun ex members because they want to keep their area clean of issues. And of course the reason why they tried to predict the end time, was because they thought it could be predicted mathematically using the Bible and its history, then they realized that they can't say when it'll happen cause they aren't the ones deciding when it's going to happen.
Michael Monroig you're so blinded by your owner. You do know the prediction of 1914 wasn't based on the Bible but on the pyramids in Egypt because Charles Russell was obsessed with pyramids right? Look at his gravesite
@@SamuraiDoggo14 InspiringPhilosophy made a video on it + Yule literally just means "winter" or "cold". Its like as if we arr in 2220, I take the english translation of "summer", take it and suddenly begin claiming that Christianity copied the "gegistarian" celebration of Summer
Again, everyone knows this. It was super smart for the church to absorb these traditions and make the transition for the commons to Christianity as easy as possible. This isn't even ruining the religion: the video is basically praising it.
Peppermint Patty wore boys clothes and was great at sports breaking a gender stereotype long before anyone noticed. And she did have a thing for Charlie Brown but he like most boys his age was oblivious.
Some of the traditional elements of the celebration of Christmas seem to have derived from Saturnalia, but to pretend the whole festival is purely from this pagan tradition is nonsense. The claim is often made that “Christmas is celebrated on December 25 because that was the Roman feast of Saturnalia”. It wasn’t. Saturnalia ran from December 17 to December 23, so it ended before December 25. And Christians were celebrating Jesus’ birth on December 25 long before their faith was legalised and they were in any position to be co-opting any pagan festivals. In the first three centuries of Christianity there were a variety of dates proposed for the birth of Jesus in early Patristic writings, ranging from April 19 or May 20 (referred to and dismissed by Clement of Alexandria - 150-215 AD) to November 17 (Clement's own calculation) or March 28 (found in De Pascha Computus of 243 AD) or perhaps April 2 (Hippolytos - 170-235 AD). But it was December 25 that eventually predominated; at first in Rome and then elsewhere in the Empire. Theophilus of Caesarea (115-181 AD) wrote that "we ought to celebrate the birth-day of our Lord" on December 25. Origen (153-217 AD) noted "there are those who have determined not only the year of our Lord's birth, but also the day .... the twenty-fifth day of Pachon". Hippolytus of Rome (170-240 AD) also gives the date as "eight days before the calends of January (December 25). All this was long before the conversion of Constantine and Christianity’s eventual usurpation of religious dominance, so it was before Christianity needed to or even wanted to take over any pagan festivals - several early Christian writers discouraged the celebration of Jesus’ birth completely, because they felt doing so was too “pagan”. So where did the December 25 date come from if it wasn’t “stolen” from Saturnalia? It seems there is a strong tradition within early Christianity that points in another and totally non-pagan direction. Within Judaism there was a tradition that prophets died on the same date on which they were conceived. Jesus was thought to have died on 14 Nisan according to the Jewish calendar. That's March 25, which is celebrated in various Christian liturgical calendars as the Feast of the Annunciation to this day - the feast of the conception of Jesus. March 25 was also thought to be the date of the Creation of the World. So if, according to this theological calculation, Jesus was conceived on March 25, when was he born? The obvious answer is nine months later: on December 25. Of course, the fact that December 25 is quite close to December 17-23 made it inevitable that the Christian festival took on many of the trappings of the former pagan one. So gift-giving, feasting, drinking and general partying with friends and family, which had all been part of Saturnalia, became part of Christmas. But several Christmas traditions which are often attributed to Saturnalia actually did not come from that festival. The Romans didn’t decorate trees, for example, despite what some popular articles claim. “Christmas” trees are a northern Germanic tradition, associated with another pagan end-of-year festival, Yule. This tradition was also adopted by Christianity in Germany and found its way to the English speaking world in the nineteenth century via Queen Victoria’s German husband Prince Albert.
@@reflectionsinthebible3579 People just want to attack Christians. Most Christians know that we took the hateful, raucus celebrations that caused people to commit evil (drunken rape anyone?) and turned them into a celebration of goodness and what is pure. You're welcome.
Did you know that the earliest documentation of Yule is also the earliest documentation of Christmas being celebrated in December, the argument is that we know Jesus was crucified in March because the last supper was a celebration of Passover, and if Jesus lived exactly 33 years, including his time as a foetus, then presuming he was not born early or late, then he would have been born in December, and if the early Catholic Church wanted recent converts from paganism to be able to hav3 a celebration in December, then why would they not just use Hanukkah?
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Ah, so when my grandpa and his brothers would get in a drunken brawl every Christmas throughout the 70s and 80s, they were really just being festive.
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Yeeeaaeh noottt maybes who knows xcept Jesus's 🎉
Suddenly lines like "Oh bring us some figgy pudding" and "we won't go until we get some" take on a much more ominous meaning.
Yaasss!
Don't forget yule time Carols lol
Holy s--t
@PrimePal Pudding... made of figs? I guess?
@PrimePal cakes with fig and custard filling.
Several Christmas traditions also came from A Christmas Carol. It not only made the holiday more popular, it also led to encouraging generosity, family gatherings, seasonal food, wishing people Merry Christmas, and gift giving, among other traditions we all know today.
You can have family gatherings without tarnishing it with pagan festivities and revelries. All things God despises and are coming to their destruction
and they mocked me when I said I wanted to get drunk in the woods for christmas. who's laughing now DAD?!
Drunkenness is a sin, that’s why.
Lol 😆
@@cwbird12 *Beethoven's 5th: Nobody cares cover*
if you dont hurt anyone, GO FOR IT
What? I have been doing that for 40 years!
Five shillings... Four calling birds, three French hens, and now I have to pay the fine tooooooooooo.
You forgot the two turtle doves between the hens and having to pay the fine.
HMMM
@@DemopanTF2 lawyers got to me first
Hey, do you know that the person saying this is actually the voice actor of Jimmy Neutron.
@@gilbertomartinez7516 I knew her voice sounded familiar.
Why do I feel Adam didn't ruin Christmas at all and actually made it better lol also still showing this to friends 5 years later XD
Please don't keep showing this to friends. It's full if misinformation and its central claim-that Christmas is a pagan holiday-has no historical evidence to back it up.
Christians were celebrating the Christ Mass long before Europe was Christianized. Christmas trees almost certainly have no connection to any pruported Yule celebrations. There is no evidence that Saturnalia was celebrated on the 25th of December.
Etc., etc.
Look up Religion for Breakfast's videos on Christmas traditions. Unlike Adam, he goes into the actual historical data to paint a much more informed picture of where these things all came from.
I did a detailed oral report on Saturnalia in the 8th grade after being assigned "Christmas" as the subject for my report; the class thought I was a crazy person, religious teacher included!
Not only all of this, but when we celebrate "Christmas" we're NOT celebrating birth of Yeshua we're celebrating the sun "god" that the Romans worshipped. All the pride and thanks don't even go to Yeshua. And it doesn't just stop with Christmas. It's all basic "holidays". You want to celebrate anything around the winter time, celebrate Hanukkah
Saturnalia and Christmas have nothing to do with each other and they weren’t even celebrated on the same day.
@@PraiseYahMinistryHanukkah wasn't Jesus birthday
@@mauryanempire7503 never said it was
i wish we could see the full length episodes in the rest of the world not just for people in the us
but as a georgian (the country) i thought the us was the only country
Find the episode title and look it up on "free-TV-project"
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As a Christian, it’s 100% true! Nothing makes my hair stand up more than “Christmas is a sacred Christian holiday!” No...it was designed to cover up the orgies, lol! I love this time of year, and it’s great for ministry, but it’s not formed by God. The only thing we’re asked to observe is communion and the sabbath day! And yes, I’m a Biblical major as well, lol! 👍🏻
jf2006 mckin The sad thing is even today people do wicked and immoral things on this holiday, what is new and more public now is stealing and theft.
YES I completely agree omg!
Thing is Christmas was named after CHRIST it’s not called Orgiemas The holiday is religious not historic
McMacMilk Orgies for Jesus!!
the holidays are what you make of it, man. I think its a great holiday for the cold months and family and if thats not what its supposed to be then whatever, its my families' Christmas not yours.
Hence the “bring us some figgy pudding” line
they should have repeated those two lines over and over again, getting more strident until they brought the figgy pudding
@@mainmac They did...and the lyrics got worse and worse until all your neighbors knew what a cheapskate you were.
I showed my Christian mom and she called him evil and a sinner .-.
askher why do you deorate christma tree. And then ask how many conifer trees there are in Palestine.
Ciel Phantomhive yet she is the one celebrating a pagan holiday.
+Naxster I'm so glad that you said "Palestine" instead of that country that shalt not be named
proudwonk So, you disagreed with one of IP's videos, therefore, all of his videos are false? Sounds like you make bad arguments.
The question here is whether IP's video on Christmas is wrong. Even if every single video he had ever made before that video were wrong, it wouldn't mean he is wrong on Christmas. You are using the genetic fallacy here.
Adam should tell this to the war on Christmas folks who get up in arms about everything every December. Christmas is really what you make it.
Christmas isn't what you make if, but the random pagan traditions that modern American culture celebrates around the same time are whatever you make them.
Not.. really.. we would not have Christmas if not for Jesus.. all Christmas is is celebrating Jesus' birth
Kris Reese celebrating Christmas is disobedience to God, you don’t get to put your own rules on something God said not to do. Jeremiah 10, tells you not to put a Christmas tree up. So your point again is?
Passover people. Thats what Christians should be celebrating Plain and simple. It's the only holiday mentioned in the bible. And it's full of traditions and story telling.
@@dezynezsezlive5576 shut up
Norsemen celebrates Yule: Correct
Norsemen wear horned helmets: Wrong
Adam did mention this a separate Collegehumor vid. The iron maiden wasn't completely a thing.
That sucks
Norsemen did wear horned helmets, but only in ceremonies and other occassions, but never in battle.
@@ruslans2006 because they are good target
@@risyanthbalaji805 ye
2:11 I guess that's why they have the "figgy pudding" part in "We Wish You A Merry Christmas".
And another truth is that Christmas is WAY too commercialized nowadays, greedy companies putting Christmas stuff out mid-September to get as much money as they can :)
Christmas wasn't always about giving or being with your love ones and it will never be. If they want the true spirit of Christmas to be celebrated, maybe the Catholic priests and Protestant preachers needed to confess for molesting a children honestly and live in front of all the people.
Damn Clement Clark Moore. And those Knickerbockers, too.
Surprisingly, that’s what The Charlie Brown Christmas was talking about
In Ireland we've done nothing but the drunken party thing since pagan times... Solstice, Christmas, whatever... where's the vino!
Where every night is Christmas! Jk
Make Christmas pagan again lol.
True that and the usual fist fight don't forget the usual fist fight
Exist one Ireland party who don't get drunk in Ireland !? Republic or North Ireland ?
I'm a Christian and you've just answered every question I've had. Thanks
The only indication in the new testament as to when jesus was born is the passage regarding the shepherds, which indicates that he was born in the spring. This fits with the first century jewish tradition that prophets always died on their birthday.
That said, this is only an indication of when the early christian writers believed that he was born, and the former may very well have been formulated based on the latter.
well it's partly based on descriptions of temperature and logic. Basically if Jesus was born in December he would be frozen by the morning due to the severe temperatures of the desert night during winter (joseph and mary might not have even made it to the farm because they would have likely died due to hypothermia on the way). There is also the instance of the shepherds journey which based on the description of the north star and the fact this indicates he was born during spring which completly throws the myth that he was born in christmas out the window. Matter of fact easter is closer to the birth of jesus, weird huh?
This is actually wrong. Most theologians and historians put his birth in September for a number of reasons. Most importantly are the historians of the age like Josephus (Jewish roman historian) and Lucian (full roman historian) among others. The misconception is that Christians get all their information from the bible and the bible alone. This is not the case the apocrypha and other texts hold many canonical books and we take a lot from non-bias historians at the time because we realize if we just use someone like Josephus any information could come out bias. But when you combine the information written by both a bias and non-bias historian and it matches up well that just leads to the truth and actual facts.
This is why people who take roman history for full fact and scoff at roman era biblical history crack me up. Because those same people do the same thing they blame Christians of doing which is believing in something without facts. But almost everything we know of that time period from Rome comes from three historians including the two i have mentioned and the third i didn't simply because i can not remember his name nor do i feel like trying to look it up.
Christopher Tarver "But almost everything we know of that time period from Rome comes from three historians "
I think you'll find that the first century AD is a little better sourced than that.
Absolutely, but as Rome dominated the world most of that specific time frame and for that specific region most of what we take for christian history(outside of sacred texts) comes from a handful of historians such as titus and lucian among the plethora of other written history or events. But i would argue for you to find a source from the first century that wasn't a part of the roman people that is used in arguments today. The main reason those few historians are talked about in context more often to the rest is for a number of reasons most importantly how close they where to the time frame of Christs death. The further you get from an event the further from the truth most people get. This can be seen in a number of examples from King James placing stories that were popular on the streets in his bible that where never in the text before to more secular events like the battle of 1066 in Hasting where monks wrote about a extremely high soldier count when there isn't any possible way those amount of men could even fit onto the field of battle at the time.
No wonder having a drunken good time at a Irish pub during the Christmas holidays felt so right,lol
Australian Christmas is still all about drunken parties and occasional crime
Kinda knew this already I'm honestly surprised more people don't know the truth.
i think this just added more information to it
Actually a lot more was left out. There is evidence that a form of Christmas was celebrated even before the Romans; and it involved decorating an evergreen tree with gold and silver. The Old Testament even has an obscure passage condemning it...oHHHH the irony!
John Doe Yeah my mom told me christmas was a pagan holiday and that church only accepted it to keep followers.
Knower of truth Me Too
Oh I agree it like Easter were we have the resurrecting of Christ but then we have the Easter Bunny. For the Easter Bunny is this Pagan part of this holiday represents fertility... and we have our kids looking for the Easter eggs that a Bunny laid. Figure that one out lol
Love how they're animated like The Peanuts Gang in "A Charlie Brown Christmas"! He should have also parodied the Rankin-Bass Christmas Specials with stop-motion puppets of himself and his sister!!
I like the old Christmas better😆
Bloody Rose www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2007/12/evidence-december-25-is-the-right-day/
The old chrsitmas is basically Black Friday now. Just think about all the violence there is. The absence of violence has filled itself back in.
Veith? Really? xDDD
I hate American Christmas, because they open their presents on Christmas eve, which is so sick and wrong!
Ueda Yuuji Fan no only some do
Also seems like a logical thing to do that close to the winter solstice when there's not a lot of sunlight and everything is cold and dark. Why not throw a party at the darkest time of year? Makes sense to me. There's no sunlight but we can have tons of pretty lights, family, tasty food, a spirit of giving and generosity... makes it a lot nicer :)
This just makes christmas even more awesome now.
A lot of the old Christmas stuff has been transferred to other holidays. Mardi Gras/Carnival contains a lot of the crazy drunk fests. Also Trick or Treating in Halloween has partial origins in the “knocking on other doors to get stuff if they don’t they got threatened with Christmas violence”.
Isn't that old English Christmas just a harcore trick-or-treat?
I guess so
It's still called Jul here in Denmark ^^
and it's still all about getting drunk.
SO HAPPY JUL FOLKS! :D
Oh boy, do people drink around Christmas. Our Christmas parties are known for people hooking up and as far as I know infidelity spikes during Jul.
But it's really what you make it.
Same here in Norway, but it's disappointing that we don't learn this in school
Guess I'm moving to Denmark.
2:29
Sounds like Jimmy Neutron
They really got their money's worth with Debbie Derryberry. Love the work she does
I love this video it helps so much when I’m trying to explain it to people
I thought this was a known thing
Don't Americans do history in school?
Grumpy Stormtrooper They skiped this in my history class... :(
Everson Nieves y tho
Grumpy Stormtrooper Im going to asume they are just obsesed with their Christianity.... In my science class in High Shool they never even mentioned evolution. I learned about this on RUclips.
Grumpy Stormtrooper Because society is so harsh on "keeping Christmas christian" that they won't let any actual history proving otherwise be taught. They just straight up refuse it.
Everson Nieves That's insane, they didn't even teach you basic information about mankind because of a religion.
Let's make Christmas pagan again! Praise Saturn!
frisianmouve celebrate it how you want it dude.
Kronos*
+pablo garcia
No, Saturn. A, the festival was Roman and B, it was called Saturnalia for a reason.
cjt354 that just a random coincidence it not like the name of the planet/God is in the word oh wait
cjt354 good point (still prefer the greek version)
Honestly, this makes Christmas even better! 👍
that's why the battle of Trenton happened in the revolutionary war. a bunch of German mercenaries partied and got drunk for Christmas and the Americans who didn't took them by surprise and attacked
Wanna know the fun part? My namesake, St. Anastasia, has her feast day on Dec 25. She was a Roman martyr who stood up to her pagan husband and the government for her faith, and was so honored by her courage (and her miraculous survival of multiple execution attempts), she’s named in the long form of the Mass. Since Christmas started being celebrated on the 25th, she just became another name no one can pronounce right :/
Her name means "resurrection" which in Christian context is foreshadowing.
Somebody send this to Ken Ham
He will just say that history do not evolve like that and therefore is that history as false as the fossil record.
Don't bother. Some of the big Creationists aren't mistaken, just liars. I realized that about Ken Ham about the time Hitchens defined atheism for him again and Ham, despite having been told this definition previously, is like "So you're claiming it's some kind of ah-theism..."
You can't have a logical, rational conversation with an illogical, irrational person.
Merry whatever, my fellow pagans.
He'll just point you to the massive pile of historical and archeological evidence debunking this.
Best estimates are Jesus was born in September, like Harry Potter was born in July, both fictional biographies but if you want to be proper about your religion or fanclub, at least get it right.
Eric Ling And Jesus didn't exist in your version of history? Because an overwhelming majority of historians attest that Jesus was a real person. Whether you believe in his divinity or not, you cannot dispute his existence: It's not fictional.
My mother and aunt (who have studied the bible for like 40 years) say that he was born closer to Halloween than Christmans.
Sure I can, mostly because I don't care, a guy named Bob probably existed too, and his friends may have made myths about him like Chuck Norris jokes. Does it matter if anyone celebrates his not-birthday? Happy not-birthday Bob!
Eric Ling I agree with your statement that the birth of Jesus did not occur on December 25. However, your statement about how Jesus is fictional is simply untrue.
Logan Smith A century ago, most historians did NOT believe in a historical Jesus, and there is literally no new evidence. What most historians believe, is almost entirely irrelevant, as there is no actual historical evidence of Jesus existence.
I’m a Christian but I truly hate how Christians completely dismiss Halloween but completely ignore Christmas’ background
Christmas has a long history of developing and changing
I can't wait to play this on Christmas morning
telling the story about how the grinch died after Christmas will be the least their problems lol
I think I'm going to advocate against allowing people to celebrate Christmas by threatening rich people with physical violence.
Dallas May ok Bourgeois lapdog
you must be rich.
_give me nutella_
Anyone else heard jimmy neutron in this
Debi Derryberry did a few of the voices, yes. =)
jimmy nutrin
the pizza is aggressive
Yes
S L. That's not her.
S L. Never mind. I heard Luan too.
let's get drunk and knock on rich people home's :D
omega5040 YEAH
omega5040
Sound like a teen Halloween to me
It was at 111 likes a perfect number, then I liked it so it became 112 likes...I'M SO DAMB EVIL
Im up for it!
Worst
Why Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate Christmas in a quick nutshell.
because we knew about what adam just told you. BECAUSE they also have common sense
Probably the ONLY smart thing about the Jehovah Witnesses is that they dont celebrate Christmas. They are a cult themselves. There are so many things wrong with Jehovah witnesses it’s not even funny
@@TyrellWellickEcorp As child of a Jehovah's witness, i kinda do find the religion pretty strange and cynic, i guess
@@TyrellWellickEcorp cult is defined by worshipping a figure or a man....who or what are they worshipping?...I love how people say these things but mostly it's just there personal feeling rather than facts...you might have the confused with the Mormons who worship a man
@Melly Kwan Even if it doesn’t meet the dictionary definition of a cult, you have to admit that the religion has qualities that resemble cults. It definitely hits many points on the BITE model, for instance.
Personally, I have a few friends who were disfellowshipped from the Jehovah’s Witnesses for a variety of reasons, most of which are no big deal. Their families who are JWs are required to shun them, and they can have the same thing happen to them if they refuse. It’s just so frustrating to watch the way members of their congregation turn away when they walk by.
For anyone looking to learn more about this issue, I would recommend a RUclipsr called Telltale. He used to be a JW and talks a lot about the abuses of the religion.
Yule didn’t even begin until the 5th or 6th century. Christianity was already the state religion in Rome around that time.
Adam, I wished a whole lot more people viewed the majority of your videos and became more informed about very common misconceptions. Knowledge is power and people need to change the views that they blindly believed because they were told by someone they trusted
*I love Adam, please continue to ruin everything*
"... All crime is legal, it's purge time, baby." lol
The two nativity stories (Matthew and Luke) both state that the shepherds were out in the fields with their flocks. That happened only during early spring, when late winter rains brought fresh grass to the region. Sheep were literally wealth, so normally they were kept locked away safely in pens, but during lambing season at the end of winter, after the stores of hay had been depleted, it was necessary to make sure the ewes and lambs had plenty of fresh food. Thus, taking the risks to have your money exposed to wolves and bandits. So while we don't know exactly when Jesus was born, the Bible states with absolute certainty that he was born in the spring.
This is one I actually knew about! The Wiccan and Pagan holiday Yule, or the winter solstice. Perfect times for doing spells because of the moon's position....
Wicca is a relatively new concept, Yule and the solstice have been celebrated for thousands of years longer than Wicca has even been around.
@@aidantrojan3710 True story. Wicca is a young practice on the scale of things. Witchcraft predates it by centuries
remember to thank Scotland Ireland, Germany, and spain. For all the happy songs and too much alcohol. Without it we would still be fighting rich people.
we still are fighting rich people.
I wouldn't mind tbh
This video will always have a special place in my atheist heart since it was one of the videos that opened my eyes to the lie that is organized religion 😊😊
Except that's not the case
ruclips.net/video/UlEQW-NPqWI/видео.html
An unfortunate fact then is that most of the history is this video is highly inaccurate. It over-exaggerated to a massive degree the holidays’ connections and focused on very particular regional elements of the Christmas in the past. So while I’m not religious by any means, it’s unfortunate that this video gets so much wrong.
@@zackerycooper1206 Can you provide sources to disprove this?
@@obi-wankenobi1545 look up a channel named InspiringPhilosophy. He constanly debunks claims of "pagan" holidays
>watches a false video
>becomes atheist
what did he mean by this?
"Instead of worrying that christmas isn't christian anymore" I'm looking at you Joshua Feuerstein!
You missed out how the puritan leader of England Oliver Cromwell banned Christmas after winning the civil war and executing the king. He made himself the Lord Protector of England and banned the theater, drinking and made Christmas a time of fasting. But people hated fasting at Christmas so much that when he died they brought back the dead Kings son, Charles II. The Puritans disbanded soon after and many of them went to America.
Not to mention that they later disinterred Cromwell's corpse, tried the body, decapitated it, and put the head on a spike.
Not a popular dude.
@@Handles-Suck-RUclips And a hypocrite - he banned Christmas and Easter, but enjoyed music and smoking!
For those who might be curious, there are a few things from the Christian tradition that weren’t fully explained here:
First of all, it’s absolutely true that the actual birth of Christ is not exactly known. However, it is worth recognizing and celebrating as a Christian because it the beginning of the perfect reconciliation process. Christians believe that Christ is the light of the world, and the son of God. So, taking a pagan holiday that is celebrated by observing light coming to the world after the winter solstice, and converting the “birth of the sun” to “birth of the son” seemed pretty straight forward.
The tradition of giving Christmas gifts actually originated from German reformer Martin Luther, who loved the celebrating the time of year that we recognize the incarnation so much, that he would give small presents out of pure joy.
Sometimes I watch these and wonder "How is this ruining anything? I KNEW this already by reading books, articles, and whatever I can get my hands on at school." Then I remember some people don't read and have problems having a coherent thought.
This gives me a reason to get drunk on Christmas
Love when people disagree with someone using sources, and facts, so he has to be a far left. lol.
History Ruins Everything..
When did he cite a source?
@@bruceburns405 They pop up on the screen all throughout the video.
@@cerysgibby7542
I meant scholarly sources, not popular magazine articles.
Times Educational Supplement is a popular weekly magazine from the UK. It isn't peer reviewed, and this research is a joke. He is asserting that Christians assimilated Yule, but the first record of Yule comes from a 13th century reference to a 9th century King of Norway. The first recorded Christmas sermon comes from the year 300.
That is the sort of piss-poor scholarship that passes for 'citing a source' for an audience so undereducated they are never going to check his facts because... whoah.. .he's obnoxious so he must be right.
@@bruceburns405
1. Something doesn't have to be a scholarly reference to be correct. They can be a great source of information, even if they aren't peer-reviewed. As long as you don't take the super seriously, it's fine.
2. It sounds like you just looked at the first source that popped up and though all the sources were from magazines, while others were taken from published books. (1:33) (global.oup.com/academic/product/christmas-in-the-crosshairs-9780190499006?cc=nz&lang=en&)
3. This show is not a scholarly show. It's "information entertainment".
I really like the message at the end.
Just recently got into Adam RE - loved being surprised by River Butcher in this video!
Now I understand "give us some figgy pudding, we won't leave until we get some"
Damn, Adam, I freakin' love you, man! Every segment you do is awesome. Can't wait to keep watching more.
Thumbs up! I like how adam didnt really offend christians or non-christians and defended both sides.
Not to mention that if you look at the stories of when Mary found out she was pregnant and when they went to Bethlehem, plus the historical records around when that tax counting took place, jesus was more likely to be born in late spring early summer.
I think the best part of Christmas is that there are so many ways to celebrate it
Bring back the British version of Christmas! That sounds awesome!
2:35 JIMMY NEUTRON
This isnt completely true. As far back as the roman times, Christians celebrated christmas as a way to have their own celebration to stop Christians divulging in the pagan festivals
"Keep Christ in Christmas!"
"Jesus is the reason for the season!"
.....lol yea
2:08 how “we wish you a marry Christmas” sounded like a twitter rant over not getting good food on Christmas.
Bring us a figgy pudding. We wont go until we get some.
I thought this was common knowledge
elysium76 nope! You'll be surprised. Just ask around
2:29
Is that Jimmy Neutron?
Where did you do your research for this? There are records from the very first Christian council showing how they chose December 25 to celebrate the birth of Christ. The Roman winter solstice was part of it, but another reason it was chosen was because it was 9 months after the Feast of the Annunciation, which is associated with Mary's conception of Jesus. The fact that some cultures happened to throw wild parties during the the winter solstice around that same time is pure coincidence.
The sources are in the description
2:00 - 2:16
I disagree; "do what I say or I'll hurt you," is a core christian value
I didn't realize for so long that the Christian that climbed the tree and put the cross on it at around 1:15 was the voice of the younger frog from the Leap Frog learning movies, lol...
birth of the sun of the son.... I see what you did there Christianity ;0
He's On To Us! Run!!!!
Fan2La88 YOU'LL NEVER TAKE US ALIVE
Jesus was born in the summer.
They didn't speak English back then lol. English didn't exist.
Not to mention all the solar good stuff like haloes and being a light for the world. Some even think Jesus was a straight-up Roman rip-off of Mithras, Heracles, and the like. Others suggest we can blame the Flavian emperors for him.
“A terrifying Mardi Gras”
It's more like The Purge.
Why do we still have to pretend that we don't know this already?
www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/12/22/three-reasons-why-new-york-times-war-on-christmas-denial-is-all-wrong.html
That's why
you dont have to pretend
tigerburn81: irrational Christians, money lobbies, irrational humans, etc.
tigerburn81 consumerism.
tigerburn81 It's not true, I mean
Almost all names of the American days in a week have pagan roots as well. Such as Saturday-Saturn's day, Thursday-Thor's day, and some other one's as well.
Ohhh I see a debate coming on. Love to hear you debate with inspiration philosophy on this.
Let's celebrate around the biggest log we can find
Mitchell Shaw I have a log hanging around my crotch.
Deez Nuts too small.
Let's be the Christmas Grinch and deliver a knock--down of the most eggregious mistakes here:
Birth of Christ being in December is unlikely, but possible. Elisabeth, the cousin of Mary became pregnant when her husband was serving in the temple. Her husband Zachariah was a priest and his time to serve was in late September. And Elisabeth was 6 months pregnant when Mary became pregnant, which would be late March. Nine months later is December. There is evidence of Christians celebrating Jesus' birth in December from the third century, way earlier than the necessity to write over a popular pagan festival was timely, so it is unlikely that the pagan celebration was the cause of the date. Also we have Christian sermons from the early to late fourth century that contrast the wild raving of the pagans with the solemn Christian holiday, meaning that both were an established custom, not trying to intentionally compete. Also, the idea that Saturnalia was replaced by Christmas to make Christianity popular was a 19th century puritan myth, hardly a rigorous and objective study on the history of the festival.
Next, norse people celebrating Yule 2000 years ago is obvious bunk, we have no literary culture for those people from that period, and scant evidence. Maybe 1000 years later it was possible. I have seen no evidence.Yule was an important festivity.
Saturnalia actually came to influence Christmas celebration. It was not however, a continuity from antiquity. Rather, in the High Middle Ages the interest of Roman history and custom became a fashion and they read about the old festivities of Saturnalia and decided to add a little romp and raucousness to the festivity by reviving Saturnalia customs. It was a conscious effort, not a mixup or secret paganism.
The Christmas tree was adopted in Germany in opposition to pagan customs as Germanic pagans worshipped oaks and mistles, the fir tree being evergreen is a symbol of eternal life and specifically the tree of the fruit of everlasting life, as opposed to the changing oak, a symbol of the seasons and change. So that is wrong. Giving gifts was also a specifically Christian tradition, remembering the magi, and the generousity of St. Nicholas, the real life counterpart to Santa Claus. The jokey gifts given in English countries are a middle ages tradition revived from ancient Roman custom, but those gifts are supposed to be a joke, whereas the serious gifts at Christmas are a Christian tradition.
Lastly, there is no American Christmas, it is just an amalgamation of English and German custom, mixed with bits and bobs here and there. Santa Claus lives in Lapland, as the North Pole is just frozen ocean that could not support hundreds of elves or workshops. And Santa was red way before Coca Cola.
Actually the bible states that when jesus was born the shepherds where out in the fields sleeping with thier flocks. A thing they only did during the summer as it would have been far to cold in the winter. Christians celebrating in the 3rd century just proves that there was no evidence of the jesus character really being known prior also lines up directly with the romans pushing the holiday and not the church.
While you point to norse as vikings and yet we do know that over 2000 years ago the north lands had people living their and thier customs were recorded. As they had also been passed down and shared many of the same with Germany.
Saturnella was celebrated back during the B.C.E. time line and is directly related to even older pagan customs and celebrations. As is the spring celebrations. Which libes up with the tree theory as the pagans would have chosen such a tree as a symbol of life. The bible also points out pagan customs of selecting such trees when it talks about how wrong it is to cut sown a tree and set it up in your house and to decorate it.
Yeah Santa did wear red before coca-cola but the vast majority of his image was shaped by them including the white trim of cotton on his outfit the rosey cheeks, hat, and mittens. Also with santa being based off some norse mythology as two of his reindeer are named thunder and lightning in german which also happened to be similar to thors flying sled pulled by two animals....boars or stags I don't recall
@@danielessex2162 Shepherds being out in winter is unlikely, but not impossible. It is certainly not too cold to be out, just it was not common. The biblical narrative suggests the birth in the late year, due to when Zechariah served in the temple, which was September, after which he impregnated Elisabeth, six months later Mary's pregnancy began.
Christians celebrating it in the third century, when it was not yet the major religion, means that there was no power nor inpetus for the church to try to over-write and confuse a pagan and christian celebration. The point is there is no reason, motivation nor usefulness to conflate the two celebrations, which is evidence that the timing of the celebration was unrelated to any other festival at that time.
Your point about fir trees is factually wrong. We KNOW that the custom stems from Germans whose holy tree was holly and oak and the fir was specifically chosen in opposition to that. It is known. In the book of Jeremiah the references to trees are referenced as symbols of Ashera and Istar a goddess of fertility (and battle) whose celebrations were fertility festivals unrelated to midwinter. It is an incidental superficial connection, not related to christmas trees.
And sure, some syncretism happened but it is more accidental like Santa's reindeer, who are probably a conflation of Sami myths and Thor's goats. That makes sense.
Also Norse people may have had similar tradions at AD 1 and AD 1000, but there is simply no evidence for this as they were a pre-literate culture in AD 1.
@@psevdhome oh and also Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant when Jesus was born she didn't get pregnant when jesus was born. Zechariah's temple service was for Abijah which ends in June. Which John was born when he got home.... In or just after June. Which means Jesus was born 3 months prior in March or April.
@@danielessex2162 You have your chronology slightly skewed, but it seems that you are right. Elisabeth became pregnant once Zachariah's service ended. But according to that scheme Jesus would have been born in late Autumn, not Winter. But that assumes that the priestly order worked as it was described in scripture as instituted. There is evidence that due to the cessasition of service in the temple the proper order was disrupted.
@@psevdhome maybe if the mythology had used dates. There'd be less of a debate.
I think this version was modified to be "advertiser-friendly" regarding the guideline about sensitive subjects. If you saw the original CH post, the guy holding the sign "keep Saturn in Saturnalia" at 0:40 spoke, giving time to the viewer to realize the joke referring to today's protestors shouting to keep Christ in Christmas. Here, the scene is abruptly cut to keep things more to the point, like what news should be, but this is a comedy show based on surprising facts. We are allowed to be informed and to laugh to de-dramatise related tension. Personally, I prefer the original version; having a Roman speak in the scene is a good animation and storytelling choice.
Unfortunately, the PC snowflakes running RUclips don't believe in freedom of information...
Only thing I love about Christmas, getting the family and friends together and have a great time
The fact is though, ancient Christian writers built the timing for the birth of Christ from the Scriptural observation that Zechariah was on duty on Yom Kippur (September 23). This observation comes from the information we find in the gospel of Luke.
“Once when Zechariah’s division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense. And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside. Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense” (Luke 1:8-11).
Lol you used the words information and bible in the same sentence 🤣
@@DrifterThrifters it's like you don't even know what the video is about, atheistard
#BringbackSaturnalia! Io Saturnalia!
#PutTheSaturnBackInSaturnalia
akrybion #BringYuleback
Tudor Ivancea Yule never left lol. It's still celebrated but on the 21st because it's the longest night of the year.
Evangaline Friedemann did they change the name?
Tudor Ivancea Nope, still called Yule.
So the Jehovah Witnesses were right about something
DutNut Seastar As a former Jehovah's Witness I can tell you that's quite a rarity.
this, yes. other than that, they're a cult.
The only thing they have right. Other than that they ban beards, shun ex members, and wrongly predicted the end of the world multiple times with no scriptural basis.
+Sam-Mart Entertainment They don't ban beards, they just say they try to look the most presentable they can, and adapt to the customs of where they are, in many European and Middle Eastern areas, they can have beards because it is custom example. They shun ex members because they want to keep their area clean of issues. And of course the reason why they tried to predict the end time, was because they thought it could be predicted mathematically using the Bible and its history, then they realized that they can't say when it'll happen cause they aren't the ones deciding when it's going to happen.
Michael Monroig you're so blinded by your owner. You do know the prediction of 1914 wasn't based on the Bible but on the pyramids in Egypt because Charles Russell was obsessed with pyramids right? Look at his gravesite
Everything in this video has been proven wrong.
Where?
@@SamuraiDoggo14 InspiringPhilosophy made a video on it + Yule literally just means "winter" or "cold". Its like as if we arr in 2220, I take the english translation of "summer", take it and suddenly begin claiming that Christianity copied the "gegistarian" celebration of Summer
@@panapolyEpirus And what are their sources?
@@SamuraiDoggo14 watch their video "Is Christmas Pagan" and "Does Christmas come from yule"
bold move ruining Christmas. well played
Sounds like a Santa pub crawl turned into the purge kinda night! Lol
Again, everyone knows this. It was super smart for the church to absorb these traditions and make the transition for the commons to Christianity as easy as possible. This isn't even ruining the religion: the video is basically praising it.
Good point. However, it wasn't made to ruin religion, it was made so people knew the whole story, and not praising Christianity.
It ruins the integrity of the religion. Basically they took these traditions in to make it easier to get fools to convert.
Jacko Ludvich Fair point.
***** Says the one who responds with a reply like "ur stupid." Really ruins your integrity.
Absorb? Nah, they flat our stole it
Why is she able to relate to Peppermint Patty?
Zachary Chestnutt Because Peppermint Patty was always rumored to be secretly dating Marty (making them lesbians)
Missy Teree ...But Patty had a thing for Charle Brown
+Murika Guy
Yeah, seriously. I love Peanuts, but I always find it depressing that everyone seems to hate charlie brown so much.
Peppermint Patty wore boys clothes and was great at sports breaking a gender stereotype long before anyone noticed. And she did have a thing for Charlie Brown but he like most boys his age was oblivious.
Because she's used to being called 'sir'.
Some of the traditional elements of the celebration of Christmas seem to have derived from Saturnalia, but to pretend the whole festival is purely from this pagan tradition is nonsense. The claim is often made that “Christmas is celebrated on December 25 because that was the Roman feast of Saturnalia”. It wasn’t. Saturnalia ran from December 17 to December 23, so it ended before December 25. And Christians were celebrating Jesus’ birth on December 25 long before their faith was legalised and they were in any position to be co-opting any pagan festivals.
In the first three centuries of Christianity there were a variety of dates proposed for the birth of Jesus in early Patristic writings, ranging from April 19 or May 20 (referred to and dismissed by Clement of Alexandria - 150-215 AD) to November 17 (Clement's own calculation) or March 28 (found in De Pascha Computus of 243 AD) or perhaps April 2 (Hippolytos - 170-235 AD). But it was December 25 that eventually predominated; at first in Rome and then elsewhere in the Empire. Theophilus of Caesarea (115-181 AD) wrote that "we ought to celebrate the birth-day of our Lord" on December 25. Origen (153-217 AD) noted "there are those who have determined not only the year of our Lord's birth, but also the day .... the twenty-fifth day of Pachon". Hippolytus of Rome (170-240 AD) also gives the date as "eight days before the calends of January (December 25).
All this was long before the conversion of Constantine and Christianity’s eventual usurpation of religious dominance, so it was before Christianity needed to or even wanted to take over any pagan festivals - several early Christian writers discouraged the celebration of Jesus’ birth completely, because they felt doing so was too “pagan”.
So where did the December 25 date come from if it wasn’t “stolen” from Saturnalia? It seems there is a strong tradition within early Christianity that points in another and totally non-pagan direction. Within Judaism there was a tradition that prophets died on the same date on which they were conceived. Jesus was thought to have died on 14 Nisan according to the Jewish calendar. That's March 25, which is celebrated in various Christian liturgical calendars as the Feast of the Annunciation to this day - the feast of the conception of Jesus. March 25 was also thought to be the date of the Creation of the World. So if, according to this theological calculation, Jesus was conceived on March 25, when was he born? The obvious answer is nine months later: on December 25.
Of course, the fact that December 25 is quite close to December 17-23 made it inevitable that the Christian festival took on many of the trappings of the former pagan one. So gift-giving, feasting, drinking and general partying with friends and family, which had all been part of Saturnalia, became part of Christmas. But several Christmas traditions which are often attributed to Saturnalia actually did not come from that festival. The Romans didn’t decorate trees, for example, despite what some popular articles claim. “Christmas” trees are a northern Germanic tradition, associated with another pagan end-of-year festival, Yule. This tradition was also adopted by Christianity in Germany and found its way to the English speaking world in the nineteenth century via Queen Victoria’s German husband Prince Albert.
John Smith ummmm no...channukah was on those dates first (25 of dec or kiev) and there was no tree or any such commercial event...
@@reflectionsinthebible3579 People just want to attack Christians. Most Christians know that we took the hateful, raucus celebrations that caused people to commit evil (drunken rape anyone?) and turned them into a celebration of goodness and what is pure. You're welcome.
this actually makes it cooler
I just love the parody Peanuts and their traditional dances.
You're a Roman Charlie Brown!
wasn't this posted already?
Chuck Dynamo it didn't get enough views so they reuploaded it.
its slightly extended this time around
and they changed the video title
The one on collegehumor was a short teaser
Very positive I just saw this exact clip on CollegeHumor ...two days ago!
Merky Water this is a longer version
longer than the last one on this channel. same coverage as CH
Merky Water That makes sense. Adam does the show on TruTV, but he used to work for College Humor.
1:33 Hey Rocky and Bullwinkle, take notes, this is how you make a good Will Smith reference
Did you know that the earliest documentation of Yule is also the earliest documentation of Christmas being celebrated in December, the argument is that we know Jesus was crucified in March because the last supper was a celebration of Passover, and if Jesus lived exactly 33 years, including his time as a foetus, then presuming he was not born early or late, then he would have been born in December, and if the early Catholic Church wanted recent converts from paganism to be able to hav3 a celebration in December, then why would they not just use Hanukkah?