Our Attempt At Making FPJ for Korean Natural Farming
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Join us as we present another Korean Natural Farming topic on making Fermented Plant juice or FPJ. FPJ is used as a foliar feed in combination with our other KNF solutions to bolster plant growth. An important note: this process is not traditional fermentation that one thinks of like pickling or making beverages. This process uses the osmotic pressure differential created by pure brown sugar mixed at a 50/50 ratio (by weight) with macerated growth tips of healthy plants as a means of extraction. In this case we are using Grape vines. Over a period of seven days this process extracts from the growth tip materials: cell moisture, enzymes, hormones, proteins and other compounds into a sugar solution. This solution is used as part of a foliar feeding program for plants in the vegetative growth stage
It is important to note that KNF solutions such as this need to be applied in very low dilutions. In the case of FPJ it is usually used in combinations with other KNF solutions that are biostimulants, or anti-pathogenic. FPJ usually should not be used at a dilution rate greater than 1 part FPJ to 1000 parts water or approximately 3/4 of a teaspoon(4 ml) per gallon of water. Application frequency is usually once every 5-7 days and applied either very early morning or at evening to promote better plant absorption through the leaves.
As we are just learning KNF on our own we defer to those who are trained by Master Cho Han Kyu or others who have invested in that training. Many of these people such as Drake at PureKNF(youTube) or Chris Trump (RUclips) have graciously made many videos on these subjects. In addition, the University of Hawaii has also done a lot of collaborative work with Master Cho. so be sure to check these sources out for good info.
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This is how i make my IMO..
1. I take several samples of soil from under my flower beds.
2. Hard boil 1 kg of rice.
3. Mix soil with 1 liter of water, strain of the the liquid.
4. Mix the liquid with rice, strain of the excess.
5. Leave the rice in a cool dark place for 1-2 weeks till rice is covered in white fluffy mold.
6. Mix the rice with 1 kg of brown sugar.
7. store and use as needed.
8. 1-2 tbs per 10 liters of water.
I use it on all my seedlings and compost mixes.
This works for me every time no matter what time of year it is.
I've never heard of it before.. Just watched a video on it, looks interesting.
It does look like a bit more of an effort and i'm not sure how long it would store for.
I make one batch and that last me for over a year, i make a new batch every year
Interesting. Think I'll try this out.
@@BareMtnFarm although his spin on it sounds like it works, normally you would put the rice in a wooden box with small holes on the bottom and an open-top covered by something that isn't airtight like paper towels or a cloth and then you look for undisturbed placed usually under old trees etc around your property or in a close-by park/forest and you look for areas with a lot of fungal activity and mycelium, the whit webby stuff under leaves or bark, etc and once you find a really active spot you place it right on the soil and the micros will colonize the rice in the box over the next 3-4 days... retrieve and you have cultured rice which you can then take back, along with molasses hang into a large container of water, and brew it as a compost tea with air.
Hi
Please what is IMO?
@@ja5129 IMO=Indigenous MicroOrganisms
I wish there was an update video on how it came out. Great video
Hi @Freedom Fighter We will be making more FPJ this year so we'll show you post production too! Thanks for watching!
To collect IMO in winter I dug in forest next to rotting logs to find decomposing leaf mould and wood with mycelium. I put a layer in a cardboard box and spread cooked rice on top. (the bottom of the box will get weak but if careful when moving it won't break open). I kept it in the house around 65F and mist it daily. In a week I had great IMO.
Nice to know.good information thank you👍🙏
Always welcome😀
I like how you are using plants that is available here in Pa. for FPJ
I do this for 2 years and its work so well
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. God bless
Thanks for watching and thanks for the kind words!
Is there a better time to pick the tips as I hear the sugar content is higher at sunrise?
What other plants can we use? I have blackberries but the idea of mixing sugar with thorny blackberries is not encouraging. Then I have raspberries and Gooseberries the same problem as blackberries, I have rhubarb,. Strawberries, and comfrey that I planted this year. and I what to wait until the root system is established. before I start to cut it. I had grapes vines but because of the Red Lantern Fly we cut them out last year and I bought 2 new grape plants this summer so again I have to wait until they are better established before I can cut them. Happy Gardening from zone 6B Pa.
Thanks again for another fabulous video. I'm going to do this. How many teaspoons to how many liters in application?
It's OK.... Saw in the video description that it's 1:1000. Going to try this with African horned melon tips... is rampant. Thanks again for great videos.... so interesting.
What do you think about making fpj from dahlia foliage and pinchings?
Oh, good question.
Would you use this FPJ going through transition from vegetative to flowering?
Should I plant a row of Comfrey or just use blackberry which is in abundance here? I can't seem to find @edible acres you referenced as a source.
Hi @Kathleen Barber Here is the link to their website: www.edibleacres.org/ The blackberry works great too. the best time to harvest is Spring while the growth is the most aggressive. We use the about 8-9" from the tip back. Using this part also has the benefit of the thorns not being fully formed. The right time to harvest is early morning right around sunrise while the dew is on the plant. At this point its the most hydrated and full of goodies.😀
Just one other note. Nice thing about comfrey is that it is harvest-able for us mid Summer through early Fall where as blackberry FPJ season is over for us by mid June.
Thank you for the information about FPJ and natural Korean farming methods (as well as trouble-shooting ranunculus in another video of yours). All new to me, before tuning into Bare MF (by way of a Jennie Love link). Anyway, terrific video and very informative!
I dig a lot of ginseng wonder if the tops can be used for fpj
Hi @robbinhood White I would think it would work just fine to use the actively gowing tips
Hello - I'm wondering how successful the application of your FPJ was in helping your plants combat insects? How often did/do you apply it? Thanks.
Hi @Twig & Brindille Flower Farm The FPJ in combination with other KNF supplements such as Water soluble Calcium Phosphate help keep aphids from attacking our early Spring flowers like anemones. We applied the materials every 2 weeks for a total of 4 times starting at the first sign of bud formation on our anemones.
I can't get organic brown sugar here. Would organic rapadura sugar work for making FPJ? Or raw sugar with some added molasses?
Can I make FPJ with artichoke leaves ?
So, I attempted to make fpj this year. After it was done I sprayed several things with it. It's been about three weeks now and it is all burnt! What did I do wrong?
Hi @Amber Emma I'm so sorry to hear that you had problems. Well I'm not sure how to answer this there could be several actions that could have been causing problems. First would be was the FPJ mixed with anything else, like brown rice vinegar(BRV) and OHN which are part of the weekly maintenance spray or was it used alone? Second, what were your dilution rates. For the Maintenance solution its: 1:500 BRV, 1:500 FPJ, 1:1000 OHN. What this would mean is that per 1 gallon of water you would use 8ml of BRV (~1.5 tsp), 8ml of FPJ (~1.5 tsp), and 4ml of OHN (~3/4 tsp) If you didn't have either the BRV or OHN skip them but you can use the FPJ alone at the 1.5tsp rate. Using in these dilutions shouldn't cause damage if used at no less than a 10 day interval. Its also best applied at early morning or right around sunset not during the heat of the day. If you don't have BRV an organic apple cider vinegar(like Braggs) could be substituted but don't use distilled vinegar of any kind as these are made as by products of oil refining process and lack the enzymes found in natural vinegars. There are some other possibilities such as did you apply any foliar fertilizers or foliar insecticidal soaps right before or after applying your FPJ? FPJ or the maintenance solution needs to be applied alone. Don't use the fertilizer or soaps within 7 days of applying the FPJ to be safe. What was the FPJ made from? It shouldn't be from anything that could be alleopathic to other plants or toxic to you. The last thing to consider is were there any residues left in the sprayer or container you used such as an herbicide. Even an organic one that could have contained citric acid or clove/cinnamon oil would cause damage to the plants. I hope this helps, again sorry to hear about this.
In general, when you are spraying anything on leaves of a plant, you must dilute it out a LOT. Leaves absorb much more of a substance than the roots do, and you can overwhelm and over-feed a plant so easily by not keeping a huge ration of substance to water. These concoctions are very potent. Sometimes for a foliar application, you are talking one tablespoon to a gallon of water. It doesn't take much. Do that at that ratio and check in a couple of days and see how things look, as foliar feeding works almost overnight. If things have greened up, leave it alone for at least two weeks and let it use what it's got. People vary on how often to foliar feed (or root feed) a plant. So many variables are involved, such as temperature, when you are applying, how you are applying, what you are applying, what kind of water you are using (do not use chlorinated water), and the size of the plant. But we don't want to make a strict science out of something that should be a pleasure. Just go with a lot less than you think is effective for foliar feeding. It will drip down to the base of the plant, too. Check out homeopathy applications in foliar feeding, too, as you will be amazed.
Can i use fpj at the tomateos plants !? How much do i have to put? What îs the diluition? Tks!
20cc for a 5 gal bucket is what the head of the hawaiin farmers association said in his video... look for Hawaiin , how to make fpj and the video thumbnail had a big Hawaiian dude with blue shirt I think
We use it differently than Jack indicated. We use a mixed solution on a per gallon basis of 8 mil of FPJ(1:500 dilution) with 8 mil of BRV(brown rice vinegar @ 1:500) with 4 mil of OHN(Oriental Herbal Nutrient 1:1000) Don't fret the BRV or OHN if you don't have any of these you can still use the FPJ for the benefit of the plant growth hormones and minerals. Checkout Chris Trump on RUclips, his videos are super instructive.
How do you apply it to the plant? Do you dilute it? Spray onto the leaves or put it in the water that you pour on the soil?
Amazing stuff ;
Can this be done with big trees like willows trees, mesquite, pines trees ????
we have lost of cactus in Arizona, can this be done with cactus or nopal ?????
Hi @Shaman King I think you would have success with most of these species. The key is to use only the vigorously growing tips of branches, no more than the top 6-8" all new growth that hasn't yet hardened off. Be sure to harvest at dawn when the fluid and hormone levels are at their highest. Cut and crush them well before mixing in the sugar. Give it a shot, best of luck!
Could you use grass clippings do you think?
Typically grass isn't used in a FPJ but the growth tips of soft fast growing perennials like comfrey that have tons of growth hormones, and minerals are preferred. I can't give you a valid reason why not to use grass other than the blades themselves have a lot of nitrogen with not too many growth hormones. The active growth tips of grasses are usually small and close to the ground. That being said the JADAM system uses wild grasses extensively in making a liquid Fertilizer called JLF(JADAM Liquid Fertilizer) This is a simple anaerobic ferment using grass water and leaf mold taking anywhere from 3 months or more to mature. This material while fermenting can also be very fragrant until it has aged.
What other materials can we use?
Hi @Carolyn Qammaz PA. When making FPJ the key is to look for plants that are vigorous growers, healthy not sick or anemic, not poisonous or may cause allergic reactions. You want to harvest only from the top six inches of the newest growing tips of these plants as that is where all the growth hormones, enzymes, and minerals are working the hardest. Lastly you want to harvest right at sunrise as this is when the plants are the most hydrated. Avoid harvesting when it is raining wait for several dry days if possible. The extra hydration of rain changes the concentrations in the plant. Now with all this being said for North America you can use a broad variety of plants. We have used wild blackberry, grape vine, elderberry, comfrey, and weeds like Canadian thistle(before blooming). Vigorous growing weeds can also be used for FPJ. Think Pigweed, amaranths of different kinds etc. You could also use sweet potato vine, vigorous growing veggies like peppers, or tomatoes. You never want to use things like poison oak, poison sumac, poison ivy, poison hemlock, etc. Hope this helps!
@@BareMtnFarm Yes it does. You mention blackberry. I have blackberries raspberries and gooseberry bushes or whatever they are called. I don't have the gardening lingo down yet. As these plants are prolific I can use them. My single comfrey plant isn't looking that good. I'm not sure if it is the cool weather we are getting or its location. My newly planted asparagus is looking thin this year as well. I'm hoping they come back next spring thicker and stronger. Thanks for the help. Happy gardening from Pa.
If your comfrey is flowering is it too late to use it? Thanks
For an FPJ you definitely want to get it before it flowers. That being said if its early (60 days or so left in the season) cut it back to 6 inches water it well for a week or so and it should re-sprout. Take the prunings and use them as a chop and drop mulch or add it to the compost pile.
No need to put EM1 bacteria?
Bacteria is already there. It’s like sauerkraut. You just chop it up and add salt. Or a ginger bug. Chop it up and add sugar. Someone tried isolating a plant from a certain bacteria, couldn’t do it. The conclusion was that similar to our gut biomes, plants also have bacterial biomes. There are some other knf or Jadam ideas around grabbing plants with a good biome and blending them up and spraying them on plants with not so good biome. Seen it implemented well for brassicas on some other channels. I guess the point of this rant is that you don’t need to buy your biology. Check out this guy’s videos on imo and lab for more examples.
this goes hand and hand with lactobacillus (em1) and are great when use together plus both are ingredients to other knf "mixes"
Sorry for being so tardy on getting back. My understanding is that EM1's biggest component is Lactobacillus plus several other bacteria native to Japan. What we believe is that the microflora/fauna that we capture that are indigenous and thriving well in our environment will in the long run out compete any imported organisms introduced. That being said FPJ is primarily an osmotic extraction of the plant juices from actively growing tips of vigorously growing plants and does not use or need a bacterial fermenting or pickling process like Bokashi. These extracted plant juices are full of growth hormones, minerals and proteins etc. To say that this is actually fermented in the western sense of the term is technically not correct. The heavy use of brown sugar acts to osmotically extract these juices from the plant material in about 7 days. The extracted solution can then be further stabilized by using more brown sugar to super saturate the solution which prevents bacterias from colonizing the solution from the outside and keeps those beneficial bacteria that were extracted from the plant material in suspended animation.