Why Do You Have to Punch Down Bread Dough? Degassing Explained
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- It is common to see instructions for degassing or punching down bread dough. But what does this step achieve and what would happen if it was skipped?
Degassing, folding, dividing, pre-shaping and final shaping all go hand in hand. As bread dough ferments it fills up with carbon dioxide expelled by the yeast which is feeding on simple sugars that have been broken down by enzymes from the starch in the flour. The carbon dioxide gas accumulates in pockets inside the dough held together by the gluten structure. As the dough ferments and fills up with gas it expands.
Most commonly the degassing step would be performed half-way through bulk fermentation which is the first part of fermentation during which the dough develops most of its flavour. This step is often accompanied by a fold. The dough gets degassed as the fold is performed.
The purpose of fermentation is to make the dough rise and become an airy textured and light loaf of bread. But no matter how gently you handle the dough, it will get deflated at least a little bit.
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Have u compared flavors u may add, example being concentrated vegetable broth.
I am planning to try different liquids like beer and juice. Broth sounds interesting too :)
@@ChainBaker it may cost a pretty penny, but you could compare different sourdough starters that claim to be different. Compare flavor and leavening abilities. I would be interested in knowing if those advertised 100+ year old sourdough starters are actually any better than say one you make yourself a few weeks ago.
That's all a bunch of nonsense. Once we start feeding the starter with a certain flour in a certain environment, it becomes just another starter made in our kitchen. But it would be interesting to make a video busting that myth 😁
Also, the age of a starter makes no difference either. Unless it's super young, then it may perform a bit worse than a strong starter.
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I would that my younger brother were so easily degassed.
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Learned to bake from my dad in the 90's. Back in the day punching dough was like breathing. You had to do it. My kids are in college now but have many happy memories of "punching the dough" when I baked. Fun stuff for a kid! Still baking the "old fashioned way" but learning SO much from your channel!
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So informative (as usual). I always wondered where there was no degassing in sourdough baking. I also wondered whether the series of stretches & folds, plus pre-shaping and shaping, had some degassing involved. This answers the questions.
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As always, great information. During my "knowledge journey" it dawned on me to forget about the the clock when baking bread and only analyze the dough. When rising I found that (for me) only rising the dough 50% to 75% produced the best results as I stopped getting pancake loaves. from over-fermenting. Thanks for making these video clips.
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I ain't a huge fan of this kind of bread, but the explanation is worth the view, I did it with a general understanding of what degazing and building tension do to the dough. I know have a clear view of what happened if I don't, especially on the first one ! Thanks a lot for doing it !
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Very good video. I was wondering the same thing. For a while I even thought that I might be doing it all wrong and that I shouldn't degas my dough
Lesson learned: If I want fluffy bread with a fine crumb, I can't be lazy about it, and it will take more time!
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Do I de-gas? Well, I definitely will from now on. Thanks for another great instructive video.
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another great question, experiment and discussion. one thing i'd add: like you said CO2 is a waste product of fermentation, so its buildup slows fermentation. removing some CO2 prolongs fermentation and allows enzymes to also act in the bread, in addition to finer gas distribution and strengthening of gluten as you explained beautifully
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This is a brilliant bread-making video; one of the best you have done. It reminded me of all the mistakes (learning opportunities!) I made when first starting out on my bread journey, Now I always de-gas my dough, even though it makes the proving process longer. But as always, patience brings better results.
Keep up the great content. Your clear and direct style make your videos easy and enjoyable watching. Probably the best bread-making channel out there.
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Thank you! I'm just a student like everyone else here 😁
Maybe a student on the outside, but in truth on the inside you are a teacher, a creator and an inspiration.
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This video is really helpful, especially for no knead bread. Now I understand better.
Ever make bread steaming it? (like making bao? ). If you ever run out of content for comparison, can venture into steaming bread, fry bread or stove top /pan-fry bread.
I do have a couple of steamed dough recipes, but I will definitely make some more in the future. Love steamed buns :))
Pan fried breads are also quite interesting. There are so many recipes out there, that I don't think we will ever run out of breads to make!
I found your videos 7 days ago and watched a pile of them. I was Never completely happy with results until NOW. Cold bulk fermentation makes an enormous difference. I used Potato water as grandma did, Robin Hood AP flour, added cornmeal and sesame seeds, buttered tops before and after baking….and result was best ever bread since grandma’s.
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That is great to hear! On to many more successful bakes :)
Thanks to these videos by now I'm a semi-pro at identifying baking-mistakes in the finished products - I only wish I would notice them during the process already
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“It will never punch you, so why are you punching it?” - On Bread Relations: How to Treat Your Bread by The Chainbaker
I'll add that to the list of potential book titles 😂
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Everything you said makes sense. It seems stupid "how does punching it down and waiting for it to rise again help? Seems counter productive " but now we know, it's done for a reason and is worth doing
Charlie, I always do at least one "degas" (fold), more on the high hydration doughs, I even fold my pizza balls an hour after I balled them, makes a huge difference on the cornicione. Hoping you hit the 100K soon. Cheers.
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That is interesting
Most artisan bread recipes I know don't involve most of the extra steps, but require long mixing
Many of them feature addition of buttermilk or other acidic things. Onr recipe requires putting into the non-preheated oven without growing and it grows as the oven heats.
I made my first ever loaf of bread yesterday (it was successful!) and today I’m using the rest of the flour to make a little plaited loaf. I don’t think I degassed the first loaf enough but because we’re using it for steak sandwiches a nice dense loaf is actually not a bad thing
Uh Nice hit the 800 like mark haha. These videos you're making are the best.
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You keep answering questions ive had for such a long time, in such a detailed, informative way. Ive known "yeah you should do this", but Why should you do it has always been my question.
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I totally agree... If you know the 'Why'... it eliminates the endless memorizing/note taking regarding every little step. It also lets a person take an interesting recipe, and tweak it to get what YOU want as an end result.
Plus the 'end result/comparison' parts of the video make everything crystal clear. I find that much more believable than some person (who may not even know what they're doing) making a how to baking video, when they should actually be working at the carwash. lol
Again another great video.
Idea for an experiment: testing the salt yeast method (not sure if this is even a thing in english language, in German it is Salz-Hefe-Verfahren ) where you mix all the yeast and all salt + ten times the amound of water. It should resault in a 10% salt sulution. You then let it rest for 2-48 hours in the fridge. This way the yeasts starts producing glycerin for a better dough.
Sounds interesting! I shall investigate :)
Holy crap so I'm going through all your vids and I think I've figured out what is ACTUALLY causing my issues. My timing is really screwy (my days are 28h long and my level of sleep and when I have free time is weird) and what I've been doing it GENERALLY following your vids but the times in which I do things - for instance a final fold, or folds, etc. is usually MUCH closer to when I would be taking it out the fridge.
For instance I don't typically do one before bed, then next day / 12h later take it out and do the outside-the-fridge stuff. What happens is when I wake up I'll do my final fold then, then within like 4h I'd start the outside fridge bits. And this might be the only consecutive thing in all my recipes. Basically I've not been folding it enough near the beginning, AND been degassing it way too close to the end! This might actually be my MAIN issue lol
Right time to start a new one, and to actually not touch it after it's gone in the fridge before bed until it comes out the fridge. (At this rate you're gonna have to start charging me 2 subscriptions, I am deffo high maintenance)
Try adjusting your method and note the results. You could even do a side-by-side test to see what works best 😎
@@ChainBaker Due to fridge space that's not possible but I don't mind doing it one at a time. Plus I'm the only person who eats the stuff I make and I only eat once a day so also gotta work round not wasting food lol. It's all good, doing it one at a time and noting down changes will work for me.
Current dough has me excited too. I've done 4 folds during the day, it's nice and tough, not sticky, looks firm like in your videos type deal. It's low hydration (65) so will work with this until I get the folding, building etc. in place, then I'll work with hydration from there. One of the benefits of all this free time I suppose, I'll nail this bread SOME day!
I'm not a baker. But dude, your videos are perfect. Presentation, format, video quality, speech. I'm confused why don't you have million subscribers already. Also there is already so much stuff in playlists, i feel like your content is a bit underrated. I might try baking myself. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for the kind words 🤩
If you like watching bread being made, I'm sure you will enjoy making it too! :)
Hmmmm.....I LEARNED something!! 🍞
Charlie, as usual...👍💯
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You should replace your "Steps of baking: Folding" video with this one. This one is so much better and has the same information in it + more.
These comparisons really make things a whole lot more clear. I'm one of those people that needs to actually SEE the difference between two methods, sometimes, especially with baking. The whys and such are important to know, but actually seeing how different methods change the overall results helps kinda cement things in my head. Even if my style of breadmaking is a little more...freeform than yours, its still REALLY helpful to know exactly what's goin' on and what needs to happen when, so thank ya!
Hey Charlie since you're fond of these comparison videos, and me too, I thought it would be good for you to do one with Bassinage! I just heard of it and I haven't really got a good handle on it, so a little explanation along with a comparison would make for a good video. You could use the same ingredients make a dough with all the water in the beginning. Then one with only half in the beginning, the rest once you fully kneaded it, Then a last one with three quarters in the beginning, the rest once you fully kneaded it. Or however you want to put it together.
That is a great idea! I have read about this technique, but I have not tried it yet. It's on my projects list now! :)
Another fantastic lesson from Charlie! I have been wondering about the crumb structure of the bread and how to improve/change it. Now I'm looking forward to trying a longer ferment stage and an extra fold or 2. Brilliant stuff - thanks again @ChainBaker !
Cheers :))
Great video Charlie! I feel my bread I.Q. increases with each video you make for us to enjoy and learn from. I do have an idea for another comparison video if I may suggest: using beer versus water in dough making. Beer had natural fermented yeast and I always create my best pizza 🍕 when using beer versus water. It cannot be a coincidence it happens haha! *Please make it happen Charlie* 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Beer 🍺 vs Water 💦
Cheers! :)
I do have a beer pizza video on my projects list. It's definitely coming 😉
@@ChainBaker Woohooooo 😁🍕🍺