Jurgen Klopp’s FINAL GAME at Liverpool! Is he an all-time Premier League great? | ESPN FC
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- ESPN’s Football Forecast team of James Allcott, Harry Symeou and Kim Kothari debate whether Jurgen Klopp will be remembered as an all-time great Premier League manager.
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Top 5 all time premier league managers it’s a small list
(1) Ferguson
(2) Pep
(3) Wenger
(4) Mourinho
(5) Ranieri no one will even win a league with a team like that, that alone is legendary
Klopp managed about 480 LFC matches. Change just four results and he has 3 PL titles and 3 UCL titles. Dude brought his team to 97 points and didn’t win the league. It’s crazy!
Typical lfc delusion
Mac City's success the past 9 years is tied to Liverpool. You can't talk about their titles without also talking about Jurgen Klopp and Liverpool. Pep said it himself. That makes Klopp a great.
For losing? Losing 7 out of 8 EPL title to Pep make's JK great? How on earth do you come up with that logic? 🤣😅
@@eyesopen66 There is more to it, you only look blindly at end results
@@MrKaravajthat's how we define greatness
115 charges. To say that Pep is head and shoulders above when everyone knows his club cheated, and even if you are foolish enough to believe they didn't cheat, Pep's budget DWARFED that of Klopp's. To say Pep is better while ignoring the two giant elephants in the room is staggeringly dishonest or stupid.
If Klopp would have got the Money Pep got for his Squad he would have won more titels. So yes he ist up there with Pep, and if you would ask Pep he would agree.
He spent 1.1b
@@russellward4624 What's the net spend? Klopp's Liverpool spent the least of the Top 6 during his time. One can talk anything without context, but context is king.
@@SrinathWorldViewand they won only 1 pl for the spend . Like pep has spent won and won way more
@SrinathWorldView I don't care. Net spendnisna stupid stat lfc fans made up to pretend they're the little sisters of the poor. When you buy a new car, do you just spend the money you earn from the used car?
I miss him.
i love him.
Lol arguing fan relationship over results is an uber weird take.
The point is how many coaches won the premier league? Not many. So if you win only one, it automatically makes you a legend. No matter how you look at it, both Pep and Klopp are legends, period.
Pep as always been at a club with the most money and resources, kloop as always built up clubs and won major honours, Pep will always buys world class player, Kloop makes world class.
Non-existent debate. Klopp is an all time legend
Such a dumb comment
Lol he's a failure
it's a stupid senseless discussion.
Look at your toes - then rank them which one has done the best job
😂😂
He made us believe again !
So yes he is great
Kloop is definitely top 5 best manager in EPL history.
He is in the same league a Pep, Ferguson and Wenger.
It's rough when Klopp has hit 92 and 97 points in separate seasons and ending up 2nd is brutal. He's an all-time great, Pep's just better.
115 charges
115... so far
@@_bruce132none proven
The massive elephant in the room is the 115 charges. This is a massive issue that can't and shouldn't be ignored. As far as I'm concerned, City's achievements have a massive asterisk beside them.
The only team to get 90+ points 3 times and win only once.
A team that got a total of 110 points from a 38 match spell,
His average point total per season is around 85.
That wins him 3,4 titles in any other era. Lets talk when Klopp is remembered as a the only manager who prevented City from winning 10 in a row.
Geeez. If Liverpool don’t sell Coutinho they don’t buy Alisson or VVD. That’s not the same rules that Man City operate under. The equivalent would be Man City could only have bought Ederson and Stones if they sold KDB. The restrictions and rules are completely different
Liverpool’s wins aren’t tainted by corruption. That’s the difference.
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Klopp versus Pep in head to head is 12 wins to 11 wins for Pep with the rest being draws plus beating them in Champions League.
Could pep do what klopp did in liverpool if he was liverpool manager?
I don't think so
But klopp colud did what pep did in city.
Depends on how short the list is,if its top 5 no chance,top 10 probably not,top 20 in with a shout
Show me another coach in the PL that has beaten Pep for the League.. Ill wait.
That season only counts on paper. It would have been nice if he would have beat him in a normal season where the stakes are much higher.
Antonio Conte did it in 2017 when Pep finished 3rd with City also 🤦♂
So failing to beat pep makes you great? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@user-qj9pj1sx5d What? Klopp is the only manager to have beaten Pep in his pomp to the Premier League title so far.
@@MarioLopez-rn2bs Why? We won 25 out of 26 games, before games were suspended. What makes you think the stakes were lower then? Pep was beaten fair and square that season, and if we'd bothered to turn up in the last few games after we won the title, we'd have broken Pep's 100 point record, not to mention, we were 11 mm away due to a John Stones clearance from an unbeaten title the previous season.
Alex Ferguson - Full Stop
Klopp v Pep - one accomplished amazing things *without cheating and one didn’t. The great one is the one that actively preached *against cheating, not the one that had to cheat to win.
1 pl vs 6 pl
i am sure what Pep did at city, Klopp can do as well but what Klopp did at Liverpool, can Pep do it as well? Pep had only managed the champion teams of the leagues.
1 pl and 1 ucl mate . That's it
@@grealish2234 i meant if they switch teams
Klopp is better for me.
Klopp is an all time great. He has had his team punching above their weight for years. Liverpool had no right to be competing with Man City and their 115 charges.
Liverpool fans and victim mentality.... Every body will remember he won one league title in 9 yrs.
@@user-qj9pj1sx5dyou are charged by the league not Liverpool fans.
The cloud will forever hang over Pep's head until the issue is sorted.
0:52 did he really say Klopp will go down as their best ever manager? Can someone at ESPN teach this lad about Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley.
The question should have been is Klopp a PL great. What does one need be a PL great? Is it about titles or more? Is Shearer a PL great despite winning "only" one title? Why did the other lad talk about Klopp's first season stats when he took over after the season started. Ancelloti, Conte, Dalglish, Klopp, Mancini, Ranieri, Pellegrini each have 1 title. Does it mean they all belong on the same pedestal?
There was so much more to be said instead we got this drivel to put it politely, which seemed to be all about Pep.
Of course with 1 title he can never be the greatest so it's pointless bringing that up. Ans it's so very unlike Alcott who I really like. But it seems when he goes onto ESPN, his debates are much more shallow than the ones he does on his own channel. More aimed to get reactions rather than enlighten.
What have these two on the platform achieved to be talking about klopp in this manner? Man go sleep
All the debate about if and should, makes me believe klopp aint a premier league great
1 title isn’t enough to be called an all time PL great
he won one title ffs
I thought he was a decent guy until I saw him being unfair to that TV sports interviewer. He seems to have an anger management problem.
I wonder if Pep will be a premier league great with the 115 hanging over his head.
Come on this guy does hasen´t got a clue..Firstly you can hardly compare Klopp and Pep, City has broken evry rule in the book regarding FFP because the rules whern´t inforced by the powers to be. Just imagen if Newcastle could do the same thing as City, they would win evry PL from here to rapture.
These guys are rather stupid because they say that Pep is the best ever, but they do not talk about how good Klopp needed to be to push Pep the way he has???
Klopp is an all-time 2nd.
Pep has made your Ligue look like a French Ligue
No!
Not at all Klopp is not a legend one title that was not really a real season it’s not a debate
Anybody, anybody who thinks that JK has been better than Pep or even close to Pep in abilities has to be utterly delusional and or a very partisan lfc fan?
Pep might win his 6th in 8 seasons.
Pep has marginally better resources than Klopp. It's not like 10 to 1 or whatever? Like lfc fan's would want you to believe.
Well there is also the 115.
So we want to know is this Man City team assembled on a sham?
Klopp won things with the money he had available and didnt have to rewrite the books.
comment section going to be full of liverpool haters ... don't compare Klopp to Pep, Oil City eer Man City.
Klopp won everything possible in his career at Liverpool and will always be an Icon on Merseyside
YNWA
Go do it with a mid table side. Liverpool still spent hundreds of millions. Nothing impressive with winning trophies with the cabal clubs at the top.
Seriously LFC channel
This dude is soooooo wrong.
Lol klopp is so overrated
As a Mancunian Man City fan, has JK been great theatre for the EPL and the TV love's the fist pumping with the fans etc.... However just on ability he's not in the elite class. Always going on about what City might spend, as if LFC are pauper's? Just not true and Pep has beaten him 90% of the time.
Pep couldn't have done what klopp did at liverpool
We will never know. So just let it go m8.😂
No one will. Guaranteed
Just the sheer amount of fullbacks and center backs Pep went through alone would have bankrupted FSG
Switch Pep and Klopp and Pep will still come out on top. Klopp is a good coach but he is not better than Pep.
Ranieri did what Klopp did at Liverpool and he did it with Leicester a far smaller club with a lot less money spent. One premier league title does not make you a premier league great manager or even close to it 😂
Pep is only head and shoulders above with cheating, and having loads more money to spend. Pep would not accept a position where money was not free flowing. His trophies are tainted even if he is a good manager. City fans could care less about Pep just rrophies.
Peps barca first year is greater than klopp career
Lol just an over rated manager
Klopp is a failure
give Pep the award for best PL manager - then Man City get convicted of 115 charges and Pep gets stripped off the award ?
No he's not one covid premier League 😂
Feckin bellend.. how dare you call it a covid title.. 25 points clear, 9 games left to play when it stopped.. come on, even a Man City lawyer would do well to find a way out of how that would end up any other way... Obviously you're a Manc, probably Ushited.. Of course Klopp is a legend/great.. anyone that came up against 115 City would struggle, even Old Whiskey nose 👃..
Nonsense above who ? He is not a top 5.. Above Ferguson, Pep, Mourinho