Well, there were more Weyouns, but there's a hitch.... They're all back at the cloning facilities back in the Gamma Quadrant, with all the Erises, Kilanas, Keevans, Yelgruns, and Lorisses(I know she's in Star Trek Online).And with The Wormhole closed off by the Prophets and of course ds9 and captain Sisko and co. They could not bring in anymore!
@@InfernosReaper I think its because they never actually showed where the Alpha/Beta Quadrant divide on official maps until long after the show ended so they considered the UFP, Klingons and Romulans as all being in the Alpha Quadrant.
Actually, the cloning facilities are a strategic target. That's where they make the Jem hadar solders. Also, preventing the creation of more Vorta would cripple the leadership of the Dominion war efforts.
And to think for the longest time I had to put up with all the jokes and insults about ds9 even seth mcfarlane insulted ds9 on American dad now its praised and rightfully so imo its second only to next generation.
Casey Biggs - underrated actor and really cool guy. I was at the Trek convention at the Hilton in Vegas back when the Experience was running (man I miss that). After his appearance, he walked with the fans over to Quarks and had a few drinks with us and regaled us with great stories and jokes. A kind and down to earth person.
My mother and I had a similar experience with George Takei and James Doohan. They took a huge group of us over to this buffet place and paid for everyone. Then Doohan started telling World War 2 stories. My mom and him went to school together and they were pretty close friends. I still remember when we got word about his death x_x
The Experience was awesome. I got to go right before it closed. I had always heard about it as a kid and got stationed in Las Vegas, finally made it there before it was gone. Bought a 6-pack of Romulan Ale lol!!!
@@tarrker years and years ago (like 1980s) I went to a Star Trek convention in Columbus and Walter Koenig was just browsing merchandise when I was looking. Also got to meet George Takei around ST4 times signing autographs at a video store in Ohio made my grandpa take me LOL
I met with him at a Cardassian fan event years ago. My now 36 year old son was celebrating his 13th birthday. Casey sat at our dinner table and spoke to my son. He called Marc Alaimo over and they sang Happy Birthday (with harmony) to my son. He was a wonderful man!
This is one of the things I love about DS9: due to the stationary nature of the show, they had the same 5-ish outside parties (Bajor, Cardasians, Dominion, Klingons, Ferengi). This allowed them to fully develop these characters, and take Dukat’s first officer and turn him into a revolutionary. I’d be willing to bet that Damar had more lines in season 7 than he did in the first 6 combined, and yet we still all knew who he was when he rose up.
Agreed. Damar was both one of my most hated and most loved characters. He was complex like that, but I feel like that's what made DS9 great. It had the capacity to have not just one, but multiple truly complex characters who all had their own motivations. They walked the line of not good or evil or black or white, but simply acting in their own self-motivated personal codes of gray.
This. The handling of minor side characters and seeing them come up year after year as it progresses is my fav part of the series. It mirrors how tv is today. Back then it almost NEVER happened in any show due to the episodic storytelling. DS9 recognized and fed its fans because they knew trekkies are hardcore and would be watching for everything. Great call by the show runners.
Sisko- "The Defiant was the finest ship I ever commanded. They'll never be another one like her." Ross- "Actually There's one EXACTLY like her & we'll have it over in a minute"
I remember the first time I saw this. I had binged the war seasons after getting them as a Christmas gift on DVD. I remember howling with laughter when he mentioned the cloning facility. There was no strategic value to Rondak, he just wanted to kick Weyoun in the metaphorical balls, and it was poetically beautiful.
It was also probably lightly guarded, making it easier for a rag-tag assault group. Who's going to attack a cloning facility, when the Dominion can just build another one.
It definitely was. The target was much more symbolic compared to the tactical value it likely had and Damar wanted to stick it to the Dominion in a personal way. This was as good as he was going to get for an initial action in his rebellion and spurring on an eventual revolution.
I wouldn't say that there was no strategic value to the facility. Since Weyoun was afraid he might be the last, there probably was only one cloning facility in the alpha quadrant. So at least for a while killed Vortas couldn't be replaced and since every Dominion ship had a Vorta to controll the White, that would be a disadvantage for the Dominion.
Weyoun: "It´s confirmed... i could be the last Weyoun, that´s why he picked that target" Cardassian Officer in the Backround: "Maybe u should talk to Worf again!" Weyoun: "waat?!"
One of the great things about DS9 character writing was its consistency. The same patriotic motive behind Damar's decision to kill Ziyal was behind his decision to rebel against the Dominion. Damar wasn't self-serving like Dukat, he couldn't bend or abandon his love of country to suit his own ends. Just as he couldn't ignore Ziyal's costly betrayal of Cardassia, he couldn't ignore the realization that the Dominion was frittering away the lives and resources of Cardassia to suit its own ends. In both cases, he felt the need to act for the preservation of Cardassia, even if it cost him. The only differenced between these two actions is that the first came from a naive faith in the Cardassian-Dominion alliance, whereas the second came from a more mature recognition that even if they won, Cardassia would lose its very soul to the Dominion, and the victory would belong to the Dominion, not Cardassia. He came to realize what Ziyal already knew when she died - Cardassia under the Dominion was just a vassal.
Yes, yes, and yes. I'd been watching every week since the pilot. When I was sitting there watching and this speech came on I got shivers so hard my soul left my body
I love damars plot development over the series. he's the idiotic loyal pompous grunt of the series..everyone makes fun of him and he's always the butt of a joke...who gains his master's position and ends up as leader by sheer luck and circumstance....and his pompous proud nature is what turns him into a drunk when he finally realizes he's been living in someone else's shadow. Then he finds himself and the courage to standup on his own out of dukat's shadow. He becomes a true leader in the end, I was proud of Damar.....he overcame his racism and all his faults on his own.
@@MeowMeow-ij9dk the irony is the Dukat who gives that speech is heading off on his quest to become the series anti-messiah. One of my favorite aspects of DS9 is how layered even the villains are.
Funny enough, Weyoun was in "Victory is Life" on STO. He died nicely in that, too. Ah for when the expansions weren't chock full of Nu Trek garbage. Although even that one wasn't free of it, since they had Martok debase himself by giving the speech of and mentioning "T'kuvma" at the end of the last episode.
The Dominion war arc was primarily a DS9 thing, but I think it would've been great to see AT LEAST a TNG movie dealing with the war...AN NOT WITH THIS FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH SHIT.
@@michaeltuffin8147sometimes you can't jump right into the good stuff. As slow as the first two seasons were, I enjoy them today.....but I wasn't as much a fan of it during the original tv run.
I loved DS9 from the start. First two seasons were full of some great episodes. "The Emissary", "Duet", "In the Hands of the Prophets", "Necessary Evil", "Blood Oath", "The Wire" and "The Jem'Hadar" just to name a few.
Imagine disliking someone so much that not only at one point you sabotaged a transporter so that they werent energised and put back together, effectively scattering their atoms to the wind, but the very first target in your rebellion is the place were said person is constantly cloned, a giant neon glowing middle finger that ensures theyll never fucking come back....that is fucking hate lol
This is one of MANY goosebump moments for me. The music, the writing and acting, the stakes - DS9 has so many of these moments. No other Trek comes close (not even the still fantastic TNG)
Yes, that music. Dramatic. Excellent. (And sounds more than a little like the 4th movement of Shostakovich Symphony #1 (which itself is an upside-down version of a riff from the 3rd movement of the same work.)
"This morning, detachments from the Cardassian First, Third, and Ninth Orders attacked a Dominion outpost on Rondak III." The delivery of this line in combination with the music gives me goosebumps. I would consider this one of the best "Wham Lines" in all of DS9; it represents such a monumental point.
They drive that home after the attack on Locarian City. Damar is reading about it and he comments about the senseless brutality of it. Then he asks "what kind of government gives those orders?" And Kira defiantly asks him "yeah Damar, what kind of government gives those orders?"
@@rharris4736 That was the loss of his family, not Locarian. Locarian drives the rest of the Cardassians to rebel, but Damar's moment with Kira is before that.
@@OOzd95 They referenced that when he was telling Kira that the Dominion had located and executed his entire family - he wanted to know what kind of people would do such a thing, murdering innocent people. The irony was not lost on Kira since that's what Cardassians had done to the peopl of Bajor. She simply said "Yeah, Damar, what kind of people would do such a thing?' He didn't reply, because he realized they were guilty too. She told Garak afterwards that she should have kept her mouth shut, but Garak said "No, he needed that cold dose of reality, if he was going to be the hero they hoped that he would be.
That's not why he turned. He realized that the evil of his own world wasn't helped, and he wanted to keep conquering. He understandably resented the way his people were disrespected, but he didn't turn because he resented the evil of the Dominion.
0:32.......I always liked the way they handled Damar's rebellion speech. The slight accompaniment of the string music in the background as he speaks, the constant panning of the camera showing everyone's faces so you can see their reaction. It was so simple yet it truly makes you feel the gravity of the moment within the lore of the show. You're witnessing a key moment in the history of the Alpha Quadrant so to speak, a potential major shift in the fortunes of the war for the Federation and its allies. The scene conveyed it so well!
And Casey Biggs delivered Damar's speech in a masterful way. Not overly dramatic (Damar wasn't a prima donna like Dukat) but piercing and effective. That's some top notch work, there.
The score ends in the minor on the mediant (iii) scale degree. Powerfully conveys the lack of resolution to the plot. Whoever was the composer - nicely done.
It's characters and actor like Damar why DS9 will always be the best Star trek series. The entire scene was brilliant. Every actor and camera angle and writing was on point.
i hated his death, he recklessly put himself at the front of the charge to rally the troops for the final attack. It was careless and stupid of him to underestimate his own worth and blatantly charge like that. It just seemed like he wanted to die. it was so forced and sudden and he never got to see his dream come true. I get why he did it tho....every second they waited was another second of genocide against his people....he was probably tired at that point of losing so many of his comrades that he lost track of his own significance. i have to wonder if dukat ever really figured out how much more important he was than those who fought for/with him. it was such a transformation for him to go from pompous dog to nhilist drunk to compassionate selfless leader.
@@Cerbyo i think his death was more valuable to his people. He's now a martyr. A symbol. He was never a great leader. Garak and Kira orchestrated this whole rebellion. (Some think Garak is section 31 due to all his actions) - manipulating Bashir, decoding the Cardassian messages, gettin romulans to join the war, orchestrating the rebellion, nearly destroying the founders homeworld(worf stops him) ...etc
Damar from DS9 and Theoden from Lord of the Rings will always remain some of my favourite characters. They both feel like they are normal men among greater legends, both drowning in darkness and sadness. But due to extraordinary circumstances both are forced to act to protect their people, and both do so with resolute determination. Ultimately they both succeed, dying for their cause as heroes worthy to be among the people they considered to be greater than them.
To be fair, Legate Damar's voice is a little shaky here. He hasn't grown into the leadership role that he takes later in the season. It actually feels a bit like a natural progression that he's nervous here and less so later on
The power of this series to make my heart beat a little bit faster and be just a little bit excited by the tension and the thought of what's to come, that's what makes it good, I've got it all on DVD, rewatched many times and clips on youtube and it still has that power.
if only they hadn't handed Bajor back into the hands of their oppressors and thus formed a resistance movement on their most important territory. If only they hadn't dropped their BEST virus on an unguarded civilian population and let the victims SURVIVE IT until someone else was able to study it, cure it, and open up a can of "genocide" on the Founders. If only they hadn't cooked up arrogant and disobedient Jem-Hadar by haphazardly tossing in the DNAs of the two resident "tough guy" species because they don't like not being able to "40k zerg rush" targets. If only they hadn't,... Really is it EVEN the "Dominion" if they don't treat people like expendable slaves?
@@spaceclaw1958 They were destined to fail one way or another because they create their own rebellions by simply doing what they always do. Even if they won the war, they would lose their territory again somewhere down the line because every world will never stop resisting, and every exceedingly heavy-handed act of self-indulgent, barbarous punishment they exact will only double the resistance as it demonstrates why you must resist them. Considering they prefer to use diplomacy instead of military conquest if at all possible, they were very bad at giving peoples reasons to be loyal, but were very good at giving people reasons to be disloyal.
No matter how many times I rewatch this show I never truly anticipate or appreciate Damar's character development until this scene. Throughout the whole series & all the great main, recurring & guest character arcs along the way who would've expected Damar's reckoning would turn out to be the biggest character moment of the show.
The people doing Discovery need to watch the last four seasons of DS9 endlessly. THAT'S how you do a show. "Call To Arms" to "Sacrifice of Angels" and "Penumbra" to "What You Leave Behind" should be studied by them. Doesn't mean I want Michael Burnham to turn into Sisko, just make every episode matter and be interconnected better.
Burnham has become the messiah figure in Star Trek: Discovery. I was surprised she didn't end up being made President at the end of S4 considering how every bowed to her by the end of S3 despite messing up and getting demoted during that season. Come S5 she'll be the goddess.
Burnham has become the messiah figure in Star Trek: Discovery. I was surprised she didn't end up being made President at the end of S4 considering how every bowed to her by the end of S3 despite messing up and getting demoted during that season. Come S5 she'll be the goddess.
i always enjoyed the character development for damar, he went from being dukats flunky and a really nasty piece of work to being a hero and a good man.
One of my favorite lines in the series comes in the next episode as a follow-up to this. Sisko sends Kira to teach Demar and his Cardassian soldiers the asymmetric warfare tactics that she learned growing up in the resistance movement of Cardassian-occupied Bajor. As Kira was incredulous with the mission, Sisko acknowledged "There is a certain irony to this assignment". Ya think?
I liked Ziyal as well but from Damars perspective, she had just committed treason and was exerting influence over the government. He was completely justified in that regard. Unlike Dukat who was out for personal gain, Damar always held the interests of Cardassia above all else.
Damar really did change. When he should Ziyal, he thought he was doing what any patriot would have done. When his own family got murdered, it really put into focus for him how misguided he had been. When he shot his own man to protect Odo and Kira, the process was complete.
I love that scene, it might be my favorite scene in the entire series. Simple because it captured the best of DS9. Here in this moment of triumph for the good guys, as the Federation recaptures DS9; Dukat is simply trying to find his daughter and she dies in his arms at the hands of his best friend and ally. And you really have a hard time not feeling a soul sucking pain of this... for the series main villain.
"I call upon Cardassians everwere. Resist. Resist today. Resist tomorow. Resist until the last dominion soldier has been driven from our soil." Always gives me a little chill that speech. Every time.
Damar has some of the best character development in ds9 going going from loyal Subordinate to reluctant leader to ardent revolutionary all for cardassia
You know you watch a scene like this enough times, you can begin to understand what the Breen are saying! W: "- Is that clear?" B: "Perfectly" W: "I'm going to hold you to that!" B: "I'd expect nothing less!"
At this point, Dukat was blood thirsty with revenge against Bajor. He hated Bajor because of the occupation. I doubt he would have left Bajor alone once the Federation was out of the picture had they won the war. At that point, the Dominion wouldn't care either. It is clear that Dukat never let go of the Bajorian Occupation and that is a big part of his story arc.
This is hands down my favorite moment in all of trek in so many ways its filled with hope and realization and is deep in ways no other trek ever was (deep space nine as a whole that is) just excellent writing that I think holds up to the test of time.
Remember when Weyoun 8 makes his appearance? Damar is enjoying a glass of kanar and the way he says "hellloo" is priceless, lol. Casey Biggs is def in my top 5 of best ST actors of the 80s and 90s. (The cast of TOS are at legendary status)... Patrick Stewart Brent Spiner Jeffrey Coombs Casey Biggs Mark Alaimo
To think Casey Biggs almost didn't play the character, he thought it was s trivial part. THIS is what made DS9 such a great show, their willingness to push characters in all manner of directions, to develop them in unexpected ways. Damar became a respected character, a lot of viewers came to LIKE... forgetting everything he had done in the past, the murder of Ziyal, his service to the Dominon and all that. COMPLEX, deep characters that evolved over the course of the series are what made DS9 great.
He thought it was trivial, until Ira Behr, the producer said "No, no.. we have great plans for the character, you're going to be the hero of the entire war.
It’s kinda sad because they were taking Dukat’s character to an interesting place until they made him the literal harbinger of Satan because Ira didn’t like how people liked him.
the new one should have been god level. put in a second warp core just to power the pulse phasers. could have made them fire continually like a lightsaber. cut breen ships in half.
@@Distress. No, but it should have had the registry of NCC-74205-A rather than the exact same NX-74205 as the original Defiant. But they wanted to keep reusing the same stock footage of the Defiant rather than pay to render more footage... 🙄
Damar had very cleverly put it in the Breens heads to not turn their backs on the Vorta. It wasn't really any kind of advice to the Breens, it was a warning.
2:44 The suspicious look at his back, because a cardassian soldier was stationed there. Now that his life is truly at risk, and cardassians start to resist, everyone of them could end his life. He is truly in fear and starts to see enemies everywhere.
I really wish Damar survived the Finale. Damar surviving to become the leader of all Cardassia, and Garak becoming his chief advisor, would have been a perfect ending for me. I always saw Garak as more of a hidden ruler that pulled the strings, rather than being the figure head and face of the government.
Seemed more realistic to have Damar die in trying to get there. Would be too predictable if he survived. Also, Garak had no business running the political side. Frankly, would've like to see Garak just retire somewhere and marry someone, have children, living somewhere nice. Maybe even Earth.
@@KaiserFranzJosefI He already saw it freed - the consequence was every scholar, every person of importance was wiped out and while it would recover, it no longer resembled his Cardassia in any way, shape, or form. Also, Garak was always a creature who merged into his anti-thesis, so a life on Earth is actually very much in line given his experience with humans/federation.
@@rharris4736 Yeah, I know and it doesn't really make sense to me. At the time of the finale, Garak was an exile and every contact he had on Cardassia were killed already in the episode "In a Pale Moonlight". His power base was through Tain and the Obsidian Order, and they were wiped out. The only way it makes sense is if he was installed as the puppet ruler with the Federation's backing, much like Damar was with the Dominion. But Garak being anyone's puppet just doesn't fit the character to me. I'm sure there were still many Legates left, who were among the joint Federation alliance fleet, Legate's with more military backing to vye for the newly vacant seat of power.
It seemed liked Dukat was the one who'd be leading his people against the Dominion based on how his character was written in the past. But seeing Damar's evolution as a character was great. Casey Biggs needs to be praised more often.
I loved his character, it was one of the best arcs in the franchise honestly. Just a random, by the book sort of officer in his first appearance(s). One who clearly isn't a sociopath like Dukat but is also definitely a military hardliner and loyalist. And throughout the last 3 seasons you can see those 3 traits all warring against each other until his horror at the indiscriminate slaughter finally breaks through the military conditioning and he realises he has no choice BUT to become a "traitor". Yet he does so anyway, because he genuinely cares about his people. The actor was super underrated too, did a great job
Damar began as almost every other Cardassian military character introduced in Star Trek. A loyal soldier who toed the line while looking for an opportunity to make himself the bigger brown noser or something else. He was a proud Cardassian who grew tired of the Dominion's lack of concern for his people. Each Weyoun he encountered ground his nerves into powder by being very irritating and apathetic. Damar knew his loyalties were to Cardassia, not the Dominion, and knew that the only way to help his people regain their pride as Cardassians was to fight against the Dominion. At first, he thought he could restore Cardassia as how he remembered it. The death of his family along with Kira's words helped him realize that Cardassia couldn't return to that form. It needed to rebuild and become a different society.
1:40 This was one of the most pivotal moments in Dumar's story. Yeah he could have been a thorn in the Dominion's side and an asset to the Federation, but this moment to me felt like where Domar once again became a fleshed out character in his own right and this speech going forward felt like it came from the heart
"I don't care how many Cardassians you have to kill find Damar." Yeah, that'll really win hearts and minds. It's clear that Weyoun never took what Dukat told him during their occupation of DS9 to heart. Then again, it may also be a consequence of their genetic engineering.
0:33 Interesting, that the treaty between the Dominion and the Cardassian Union was already planning a war, since it was signed way before it actually started.
They really did a good job of making the war feel organic throughout the series. The slow build up to it with hints of the Dominions power in the early seasons. The betrayal of Duckat and the start of the war. The loss of the station and the pyrrhic victory that was its recapture. The breen. And finally the rebellion and plague. Deep Space Nine actually made you feel, for a moment at least, that the federation could lose.
I wasn't a DS( fan until Biggs showed up. It's weird, but when I started watching it, his incredible arc from a no-name legate to a riveting freedom fighter is compelling as hell!
Weyoun Huit losing the smugness after bragging about the attack on Starfleet HQ and nearly destroying all those helpless escape pods was brilliant, feeling not as immortal as before. Sidenote: I would've demanded Weyoun's genetic profile be deleted from all Dominion cloning facilities as part of the peace treaty.
Cardassia probably would have (eventually) joined the Federation if Damar had lived. They were on the cusp of having a competent and just leader, who probably would have opened Cardassia up to the Alpha Quadrant and brought about a Golden Age for them. It kinda bummed me out how he died.
in STO, by 2409, Cardassia is a protectorate of the federation, as is Ferenginar. Both are working their way towards membership (thanks mainly to Garak and Rom, respectively) and both species are common sights in Starfleet.
The current statue controversy kinda shows why making statues of people isn't really a good idea. People are complicated, Damar himself has killed many innocent people and helped Dukat and the Dominion in the first place. He also seems to have had some involvement in the Bajoran occupation. Creating a statue of him would be glorifying (or at least ignoring) all the bad shit he did.
@@FortoFight "statue controversy"? you mean a bunch of dipshits that should have been thrown in prison for their crimes? that's not a "controversy". In my nation they all would have been executed for committing such an atrocity. A hero is a hero and engaging in terrorist acts like destroying a historical monument is considered one of the highest forms of offense.
I love that Damar hates Weyoun so hard the first thing he does is try and make sure there's no more of them.
Hah the look on weyouns face was priceless when he realizes he will be the last clone!
Unfortunately he gets back at Damar by killing his family.
@@trekkie1981 agreed I was 5 and remember I asked my older brother “is that true “. He smiled and said “ yup if he dies no more Weyouns”
Well, there were more Weyouns, but there's a hitch.... They're all back at the cloning facilities back in the Gamma Quadrant, with all the Erises, Kilanas, Keevans, Yelgruns, and Lorisses(I know she's in Star Trek Online).And with The Wormhole closed off by the Prophets and of course ds9 and captain Sisko and co. They could not bring in anymore!
“I *wish* I could Trust You, Brother…”
“Trust My *Rage.* “
“Legate Damar may be the key to saving the alpha quadrant “- words I never thought sisko would ever say 👏
Neither did Sisko.
No one cares about the beta quadrant now?
@@LordTalax I mean, if the Alpha falls, the Beta will eventually too.
With Damar declaring war and revolution against the Dominion, the balance of power truly and irreversibly shifted to the Alliance.
@@InfernosReaper I think its because they never actually showed where the Alpha/Beta Quadrant divide on official maps until long after the show ended so they considered the UFP, Klingons and Romulans as all being in the Alpha Quadrant.
I always loved how Weyoun looked over his shoulder and saw a Cardassian there, it showed how the dominion was suddenly so vulnerable
Especially right after he says "I don't how many Cardassians you have to kill..." to the Breen leader.
That is a subtle and fantastic observation.
Actually, the cloning facilities are a strategic target. That's where they make the Jem hadar solders. Also, preventing the creation of more Vorta would cripple the leadership of the Dominion war efforts.
2:45
Damn, I never noticed that! Love those little details!
It's amazing how some proper drama training combined with competent writing can make all the difference.
Snuggles McSquishbottom If only Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy, and JJ Abrams were familiar with the concept of character development and a good plot.
@@fjmj1980 dont forget good people responsible for certain other star trek series..
@@adamgrog9614 Yes, Bad Robot has ruined both Star Trek & Star Wars. Thanks guys!
And how difficult actors can be worth it. When directors know how to get them to work. Avery Brooks has some real intensity and passion on screen.
And to think for the longest time I had to put up with all the jokes and insults about ds9 even seth mcfarlane insulted ds9 on American dad now its praised and rightfully so imo its second only to next generation.
Casey Biggs - underrated actor and really cool guy. I was at the Trek convention at the Hilton in Vegas back when the Experience was running (man I miss that). After his appearance, he walked with the fans over to Quarks and had a few drinks with us and regaled us with great stories and jokes. A kind and down to earth person.
My mother and I had a similar experience with George Takei and James Doohan. They took a huge group of us over to this buffet place and paid for everyone. Then Doohan started telling World War 2 stories. My mom and him went to school together and they were pretty close friends. I still remember when we got word about his death x_x
The Experience was awesome. I got to go right before it closed. I had always heard about it as a kid and got stationed in Las Vegas, finally made it there before it was gone. Bought a 6-pack of Romulan Ale lol!!!
@@tarrker years and years ago (like 1980s) I went to a Star Trek convention in Columbus and Walter Koenig was just browsing merchandise when I was looking. Also got to meet George Takei around ST4 times signing autographs at a video store in Ohio made my grandpa take me LOL
i feel soo lucky i got to go to that. family trip to vegas, parents randomly brought me there. was young, not much into ST at the time. love ds9 now.
I met with him at a Cardassian fan event years ago. My now 36 year old son was celebrating his 13th birthday. Casey sat at our dinner table and spoke to my son. He called Marc Alaimo over and they sang Happy Birthday (with harmony) to my son. He was a wonderful man!
This is one of the things I love about DS9: due to the stationary nature of the show, they had the same 5-ish outside parties (Bajor, Cardasians, Dominion, Klingons, Ferengi). This allowed them to fully develop these characters, and take Dukat’s first officer and turn him into a revolutionary. I’d be willing to bet that Damar had more lines in season 7 than he did in the first 6 combined, and yet we still all knew who he was when he rose up.
Damar was a much better leader than Gul Dukat ever was. Plus Dukat is the one who got the Cardassians in this mess in the first place.
Agreed. Damar was both one of my most hated and most loved characters. He was complex like that, but I feel like that's what made DS9 great. It had the capacity to have not just one, but multiple truly complex characters who all had their own motivations. They walked the line of not good or evil or black or white, but simply acting in their own self-motivated personal codes of gray.
Also the romulans came into the picture later on and were awesome
@@GeorgeCarlinWasAGod not to mention he ditched them all looking for some Bajorans to bang. 🙄
This. The handling of minor side characters and seeing them come up year after year as it progresses is my fav part of the series. It mirrors how tv is today. Back then it almost NEVER happened in any show due to the episodic storytelling. DS9 recognized and fed its fans because they knew trekkies are hardcore and would be watching for everything.
Great call by the show runners.
Sisko- "The Defiant was the finest ship I ever commanded. They'll never be another one like her."
Ross- "Actually There's one EXACTLY like her & we'll have it over in a minute"
Well not exactly the same. The bridge was different and it didn't have a cloaking device.
@@Levi_Skardsen And the carpet wasn't as nice either.
And didn't have the Ablative Armor that the 1st Defiant had..
@@acoote1701 pretty sure ablative armor was standard on defiant class ships
He wouldn't be able to break his agreement with the Romulans on a weekly basis like he was doing. He seemed to enjoy that.
I remember the first time I saw this. I had binged the war seasons after getting them as a Christmas gift on DVD. I remember howling with laughter when he mentioned the cloning facility. There was no strategic value to Rondak, he just wanted to kick Weyoun in the metaphorical balls, and it was poetically beautiful.
It was also probably lightly guarded, making it easier for a rag-tag assault group. Who's going to attack a cloning facility, when the Dominion can just build another one.
"I might be the last Weyoun... thats why he picked that target..."
It definitely was. The target was much more symbolic compared to the tactical value it likely had and Damar wanted to stick it to the Dominion in a personal way. This was as good as he was going to get for an initial action in his rebellion and spurring on an eventual revolution.
I wouldn't say that there was no strategic value to the facility. Since Weyoun was afraid he might be the last, there probably was only one cloning facility in the alpha quadrant. So at least for a while killed Vortas couldn't be replaced and since every Dominion ship had a Vorta to controll the White, that would be a disadvantage for the Dominion.
Maybe Weyoun should talk to Worf about this.
Weyoun: "It´s confirmed... i could be the last Weyoun, that´s why he picked that target"
Cardassian Officer in the Backround: "Maybe u should talk to Worf again!"
Weyoun: "waat?!"
One of the great things about DS9 character writing was its consistency. The same patriotic motive behind Damar's decision to kill Ziyal was behind his decision to rebel against the Dominion. Damar wasn't self-serving like Dukat, he couldn't bend or abandon his love of country to suit his own ends. Just as he couldn't ignore Ziyal's costly betrayal of Cardassia, he couldn't ignore the realization that the Dominion was frittering away the lives and resources of Cardassia to suit its own ends. In both cases, he felt the need to act for the preservation of Cardassia, even if it cost him.
The only differenced between these two actions is that the first came from a naive faith in the Cardassian-Dominion alliance, whereas the second came from a more mature recognition that even if they won, Cardassia would lose its very soul to the Dominion, and the victory would belong to the Dominion, not Cardassia. He came to realize what Ziyal already knew when she died - Cardassia under the Dominion was just a vassal.
Legate Damar turn from Heel to Face is the best part of that whole season.
DAMAR WITH THE STEEL CHAIR
When I first saw this Damar’s speech gave me shivers...I sat in front my tv and went DAMN!
it still gives me shivers each time i hear it
Yes, yes, and yes.
I'd been watching every week since the pilot.
When I was sitting there watching and this speech came on I got shivers so hard my soul left my body
Yep.
That was a very powerful moment.
@@GeorgeCarlinWasAGod that’s politics for you. Things can shift in a moment
I love damars plot development over the series. he's the idiotic loyal pompous grunt of the series..everyone makes fun of him and he's always the butt of a joke...who gains his master's position and ends up as leader by sheer luck and circumstance....and his pompous proud nature is what turns him into a drunk when he finally realizes he's been living in someone else's shadow. Then he finds himself and the courage to standup on his own out of dukat's shadow. He becomes a true leader in the end, I was proud of Damar.....he overcame his racism and all his faults on his own.
How common sense, once accepted ...is always good.
Very well said. Loved the character development of Damar.
I thought Dukat giving him a pep talk was good, too. It was a touching moment that helped Damar put aside his alcoholism.
@@MeowMeow-ij9dk the irony is the Dukat who gives that speech is heading off on his quest to become the series anti-messiah. One of my favorite aspects of DS9 is how layered even the villains are.
Omg yes
"I could be the last Weyoun..."
Dont worry man, we have the perfect role for you, but one question... whats your opinion on _Blue_
Omg Jeffrey Combs eyes in that shot. What an actor!
Funny enough, Weyoun was in "Victory is Life" on STO. He died nicely in that, too. Ah for when the expansions weren't chock full of Nu Trek garbage. Although even that one wasn't free of it, since they had Martok debase himself by giving the speech of and mentioning "T'kuvma" at the end of the last episode.
Laughs in Weyoun 10 from STO
Was just thinking how much I like him as an actor, though liked the role he played better in Enterprise.
Second question. How would you like to be an FRIEND to the Federation....kinda
The last 4 years of DS9 are the greatest in Trek history and I am a die hard TOS fan.
The Dominion war arc was primarily a DS9 thing, but I think it would've been great to see AT LEAST a TNG movie dealing with the war...AN NOT WITH THIS FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH SHIT.
Like TNG, DS9 had to find its footing. TNG only got good starting in S3. DS9 was pretty awful until season 3 and the Dominion.
@@michaeltuffin8147sometimes you can't jump right into the good stuff. As slow as the first two seasons were, I enjoy them today.....but I wasn't as much a fan of it during the original tv run.
I loved DS9 from the start. First two seasons were full of some great episodes. "The Emissary", "Duet", "In the Hands of the Prophets", "Necessary Evil", "Blood Oath", "The Wire" and "The Jem'Hadar" just to name a few.
Imagine disliking someone so much that not only at one point you sabotaged a transporter so that they werent energised and put back together, effectively scattering their atoms to the wind, but the very first target in your rebellion is the place were said person is constantly cloned, a giant neon glowing middle finger that ensures theyll never fucking come back....that is fucking hate lol
And the Rebellion could've failed a week later, but no matter what, whether he lived or died, Damar screamed in his face, "Fuck you Weyoun."
Deep Space Nine was a fantastic show, one that sadly gets overlooked. I don’t think Trek will ever achieve this level of greatness ever again.
It might, but the sad part is that if it happens no one will acknowledge it. Instead, they'll tear it apart in a quest for a little online attention.
This is one of MANY goosebump moments for me. The music, the writing and acting, the stakes - DS9 has so many of these moments. No other Trek comes close (not even the still fantastic TNG)
Yes, that music. Dramatic. Excellent. (And sounds more than a little like the 4th movement of Shostakovich Symphony #1 (which itself is an upside-down version of a riff from the 3rd movement of the same work.)
"This morning, detachments from the Cardassian First, Third, and Ninth Orders attacked a Dominion outpost on Rondak III."
The delivery of this line in combination with the music gives me goosebumps. I would consider this one of the best "Wham Lines" in all of DS9; it represents such a monumental point.
Our allies have conquered us without firing a single shot. Great quote.
Legate Damar and his fellow Cardassians have come to realize how the Bajorans felt under the occupation. A powerful moment in the Star Trek canon.
They drive that home after the attack on Locarian City. Damar is reading about it and he comments about the senseless brutality of it. Then he asks "what kind of government gives those orders?" And Kira defiantly asks him "yeah Damar, what kind of government gives those orders?"
@@rharris4736 That was the loss of his family, not Locarian. Locarian drives the rest of the Cardassians to rebel, but Damar's moment with Kira is before that.
@@shuttlecrossing1433 Good catch. I forgot that detail.
Anyway, the basic point holds.
Damar, hero of the alpha quadrant.
The unlikely hero..
The hero we never believed in, the hero we never asked for, the hero we never cheered...yet, the hero we needed and a hero we did not deserve.
He also partook in a genocide... People always seem to forget
@@OOzd95 They referenced that when he was telling Kira that the Dominion had located and executed his entire family - he wanted to know what kind of people would do such a thing, murdering innocent people. The irony was not lost on Kira since that's what Cardassians had done to the peopl of Bajor. She simply said "Yeah, Damar, what kind of people would do such a thing?' He didn't reply, because he realized they were guilty too. She told Garak afterwards that she should have kept her mouth shut, but Garak said "No, he needed that cold dose of reality, if he was going to be the hero they hoped that he would be.
That's not why he turned. He realized that the evil of his own world wasn't helped, and he wanted to keep conquering. He understandably resented the way his people were disrespected, but he didn't turn because he resented the evil of the Dominion.
0:32.......I always liked the way they handled Damar's rebellion speech. The slight accompaniment of the string music in the background as he speaks, the constant panning of the camera showing everyone's faces so you can see their reaction. It was so simple yet it truly makes you feel the gravity of the moment within the lore of the show. You're witnessing a key moment in the history of the Alpha Quadrant so to speak, a potential major shift in the fortunes of the war for the Federation and its allies. The scene conveyed it so well!
And Casey Biggs delivered Damar's speech in a masterful way. Not overly dramatic (Damar wasn't a prima donna like Dukat) but piercing and effective. That's some top notch work, there.
Amusing to see how Damar evolved more as a guest character in the later years vs Harry Kim as a full time cast member.
Dakar became the leader of a planet. Kim? Ensign.
Yeah, but Damar had a clear line of people he replaced. Poor Kim didn't have that opportunity
@@lqcrow I wonder if Harry Kim is still an Ensign in Picard.
to be fair, Casey Biggs is a notably better actor than Garrett Wang - who isn't bad, just not at Casey's level.
@@javaman7199 LOL. The anti Asian bias is still alive and well in Hollywood, so I figure you're right.
This just reminds me how DS9 is the best Star Trek Series ever
The score ends in the minor on the mediant (iii) scale degree. Powerfully conveys the lack of resolution to the plot. Whoever was the composer - nicely done.
It was composed by Jay Chattaway. 😃
I always loved what they did with Damar. His growth was just perfect for the show.
This show was the best to ever air. There will never be another quite like it.
A classic speech in star trek.
I agree!
Jeffrey Combs is one of the best Trek actors ever
A damn fine actor in general, love him. He does a lot of voice work now as well.
"The plastic tips of shoelaces are called aglets... Their true purpose is sinister."
@@ZeroCanalX The Question under Cadmus interrogation. Love it.
2:41-:2:49
All in the eyes. Awesomeness
Need a Trek short film where he plays every character.
Kind of amazing how Damar came to be one of the most compelling Figures in DS9 out of nowhere.
Let's see if we can improve Damar's odds, shall we?
Deep Space Nine will always have a special place in my heart. It's my favorite iteration of Star Trek.
Likewise. I am currently rewatching DS9 with a friend who hasn't seen all of it.
It's characters and actor like Damar why DS9 will always be the best Star trek series. The entire scene was brilliant. Every actor and camera angle and writing was on point.
damar redeemed himself! He died bravely!
i hated his death, he recklessly put himself at the front of the charge to rally the troops for the final attack. It was careless and stupid of him to underestimate his own worth and blatantly charge like that. It just seemed like he wanted to die. it was so forced and sudden and he never got to see his dream come true. I get why he did it tho....every second they waited was another second of genocide against his people....he was probably tired at that point of losing so many of his comrades that he lost track of his own significance. i have to wonder if dukat ever really figured out how much more important he was than those who fought for/with him. it was such a transformation for him to go from pompous dog to nhilist drunk to compassionate selfless leader.
he died a death that even a klingon wouldnt be ashamed of
@@Cerbyo i think his death was more valuable to his people. He's now a martyr. A symbol. He was never a great leader. Garak and Kira orchestrated this whole rebellion. (Some think Garak is section 31 due to all his actions) - manipulating Bashir, decoding the Cardassian messages, gettin romulans to join the war, orchestrating the rebellion, nearly destroying the founders homeworld(worf stops him) ...etc
dude ! spoilers !
Keep....
Damar from DS9 and Theoden from Lord of the Rings will always remain some of my favourite characters. They both feel like they are normal men among greater legends, both drowning in darkness and sadness. But due to extraordinary circumstances both are forced to act to protect their people, and both do so with resolute determination. Ultimately they both succeed, dying for their cause as heroes worthy to be among the people they considered to be greater than them.
Damar should've ended his speech with "For Cardassia!" That would've been the crowning touch.
To be fair, Legate Damar's voice is a little shaky here. He hasn't grown into the leadership role that he takes later in the season. It actually feels a bit like a natural progression that he's nervous here and less so later on
Brian Blum Perfectly observed. A very fine actor. Very fine indeed.
instead of using the word soil, he would have used "home"..it has a greater impact
He wouldn't have been able to top Garak.
@@B_Squar3d
The quality of his voice here shows his awareness of how he just put his entire species in jeopardy.
I cant emphasize enough how epic ds9 was....and still is
The power of this series to make my heart beat a little bit faster and be just a little bit excited by the tension and the thought of what's to come, that's what makes it good, I've got it all on DVD, rewatched many times and clips on youtube and it still has that power.
This was the moment when the Dominion defeated the Dominion, if only they had just treated the cardasians as equals instead of expendable slaves smh
if only they hadn't handed Bajor back into the hands of their oppressors and thus formed a resistance movement on their most important territory.
If only they hadn't dropped their BEST virus on an unguarded civilian population and let the victims SURVIVE IT until someone else was able to study it, cure it, and open up a can of "genocide" on the Founders.
If only they hadn't cooked up arrogant and disobedient Jem-Hadar by haphazardly tossing in the DNAs of the two resident "tough guy" species because they don't like not being able to "40k zerg rush" targets.
If only they hadn't,... Really is it EVEN the "Dominion" if they don't treat people like expendable slaves?
@@spaceclaw1958 They were destined to fail one way or another because they create their own rebellions by simply doing what they always do. Even if they won the war, they would lose their territory again somewhere down the line because every world will never stop resisting, and every exceedingly heavy-handed act of self-indulgent, barbarous punishment they exact will only double the resistance as it demonstrates why you must resist them. Considering they prefer to use diplomacy instead of military conquest if at all possible, they were very bad at giving peoples reasons to be loyal, but were very good at giving people reasons to be disloyal.
@@spaceclaw1958 Starcraft 2 much?, LOL
@ Doctor Proteus, Not everyone can be the Borg, (For them "Resistance is futile"
well they are tyrants. they take care of you because they are better than you. equals, pfeh!
@Elron as he said, a single doctor was given the time to study it and eliminate it.
No matter how many times I rewatch this show I never truly anticipate or appreciate Damar's character development until this scene.
Throughout the whole series & all the great main, recurring & guest character arcs along the way who would've expected Damar's reckoning would turn out to be the biggest character moment of the show.
Damar is the Cardassian Dukat imagines himself to be.
The people doing Discovery need to watch the last four seasons of DS9 endlessly. THAT'S how you do a show. "Call To Arms" to "Sacrifice of Angels" and "Penumbra" to "What You Leave Behind" should be studied by them. Doesn't mean I want Michael Burnham to turn into Sisko, just make every episode matter and be interconnected better.
Also not have cringy dialogue would also be a plus
Burnham has become the messiah figure in Star Trek: Discovery. I was surprised she didn't end up being made President at the end of S4 considering how every bowed to her by the end of S3 despite messing up and getting demoted during that season. Come S5 she'll be the goddess.
Burnham has become the messiah figure in Star Trek: Discovery. I was surprised she didn't end up being made President at the end of S4 considering how every bowed to her by the end of S3 despite messing up and getting demoted during that season. Come S5 she'll be the goddess.
I don’t even acknowledge Discovery as Star Trek. It ended in 2005. Just like the new Star Wars is nothing of the kind.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandleIt’s the best way to view it. It ended gracefully many years ago.
i always enjoyed the character development for damar, he went from being dukats flunky and a really nasty piece of work to being a hero and a good man.
The classical story from Saulus to Paulus, as old as the Bible.
One of my favorite lines in the series comes in the next episode as a follow-up to this. Sisko sends Kira to teach Demar and his Cardassian soldiers the asymmetric warfare tactics that she learned growing up in the resistance movement of Cardassian-occupied Bajor. As Kira was incredulous with the mission, Sisko acknowledged "There is a certain irony to this assignment". Ya think?
I could be the last Weyoun.
Got to love how it was personal between them 🤣🤣🤣
"I don't care how many Cardasins you have to kill, find Damar, is that clear?" Then he looks at the 2 Cardasians in the control room..
This was the most epic goosebumps moment I had in Star Trek, period.
For Cardassia!
Eric Morang No major, my Cardassia is gone, but have something new to fight for, revenge.
MCGA!
corey beltran I can think of an even better reason REVENGE
@@gerryfogarty8274 That works too.
For Osea!!!
I really liked Damar EXCEPT he shot and killed Tora Ziyal, Dukats daughter. She was a good person and character.
I liked Ziyal as well but from Damars perspective, she had just committed treason and was exerting influence over the government. He was completely justified in that regard. Unlike Dukat who was out for personal gain, Damar always held the interests of Cardassia above all else.
He would tell Kira and Garak that he regretted shooting Ziyal when they had to work together.
Damar really did change. When he should Ziyal, he thought he was doing what any patriot would have done. When his own family got murdered, it really put into focus for him how misguided he had been. When he shot his own man to protect Odo and Kira, the process was complete.
It's called a being a heel, and turning babyface
I love that scene, it might be my favorite scene in the entire series. Simple because it captured the best of DS9. Here in this moment of triumph for the good guys, as the Federation recaptures DS9; Dukat is simply trying to find his daughter and she dies in his arms at the hands of his best friend and ally. And you really have a hard time not feeling a soul sucking pain of this... for the series main villain.
yet another example of why DS9 was brilliant!
"also, every Cardassian will have a chance to talk to Worf"
who could resist...
Maybe Weyoun should have another talk with Worf...
Legate Damar has earned my utmost respect for showing true courage in leading his fellow Cardassians against the Dominion.
"I call upon Cardassians everwere. Resist. Resist today. Resist tomorow. Resist until the last dominion soldier has been driven from our soil."
Always gives me a little chill that speech. Every time.
Amen.
Damar has some of the best character development in ds9 going going from loyal
Subordinate to reluctant leader to ardent revolutionary all for cardassia
You know you watch a scene like this enough times, you can begin to understand what the Breen are saying!
W: "- Is that clear?"
B: "Perfectly"
W: "I'm going to hold you to that!"
B: "I'd expect nothing less!"
Best ending of any Trek episode. Music included.
Best of Both Worlds Part One exists still
In my opinion, the Dominion war saga on DS9 is Star Trek at it's best. So good.
TNG had the opportunity with the Borg, but they left it behind.
Maybe because Voyager?
Soldier SKI no Voy was never in the minds of any producers at the time for tng with the Borg.
Loved this moment in the war. Casey biggs delivered it bang on. Just watching peoples reactions and that building of suspense. Great scene.
I'll bet that had to irk Dukat that Damar got the undivided attention from the Alpha Quadrant with 1 speech.
At this point, Dukat was blood thirsty with revenge against Bajor. He hated Bajor because of the occupation. I doubt he would have left Bajor alone once the Federation was out of the picture had they won the war. At that point, the Dominion wouldn't care either. It is clear that Dukat never let go of the Bajorian Occupation and that is a big part of his story arc.
This is hands down my favorite moment in all of trek in so many ways its filled with hope and realization and is deep in ways no other trek ever was (deep space nine as a whole that is) just excellent writing that I think holds up to the test of time.
The Breen approximately 12 hours later: "Fuck this shit I'm out."
Why would they want to say that? They got a good chunk of cardy space.
Damar had very quietly warned the Breens about the Vorta, and that warning slowly but surely started to spread among the Breens.
Remember when Weyoun 8 makes his appearance? Damar is enjoying a glass of kanar and the way he says "hellloo" is priceless, lol.
Casey Biggs is def in my top 5 of best ST actors of the 80s and 90s. (The cast of TOS are at legendary status)...
Patrick Stewart
Brent Spiner
Jeffrey Coombs
Casey Biggs
Mark Alaimo
Come on man Andrew Robinson kicks ass too.
He's come a long way from second-in-command of a Cardassian freighter.
First rule of an alliance with Cardasians - DON'T PISS THEM OFF!
"I want Damar and the rest of these traitors found and eliminated! Not tomorrow! Not after next week's episode! NOW!"
To think Casey Biggs almost didn't play the character, he thought it was s trivial part. THIS is what made DS9 such a great show, their willingness to push characters in all manner of directions, to develop them in unexpected ways. Damar became a respected character, a lot of viewers came to LIKE... forgetting everything he had done in the past, the murder of Ziyal, his service to the Dominon and all that. COMPLEX, deep characters that evolved over the course of the series are what made DS9 great.
He thought it was trivial, until Ira Behr, the producer said "No, no.. we have great plans for the character, you're going to be the hero of the entire war.
It’s kinda sad because they were taking Dukat’s character to an interesting place until they made him the literal harbinger of Satan because Ira didn’t like how people liked him.
Sisko: We're going to need time
Damar: I got ya
Get chills watching this episode every time. Such a great turn around of events that changed the war.
“The defiant was the finest ship I ever commanded. There’ll never be another like her.”
Next episode gets given a completely identical ship.
the new one should have been god level. put in a second warp core just to power the pulse phasers. could have made them fire continually like a lightsaber. cut breen ships in half.
@@aredub1847 Also should've had a different name.
@@Distress. No, but it should have had the registry of NCC-74205-A rather than the exact same NX-74205 as the original Defiant. But they wanted to keep reusing the same stock footage of the Defiant rather than pay to render more footage... 🙄
Imagine if those Breen saw the writing on the wall and just killed the Founder and Weyoun then and there...
Damar had very cleverly put it in the Breens heads to not turn their backs on the Vorta. It wasn't really any kind of advice to the Breens, it was a warning.
The entire DS9 lineup is top notch! What a great TV show!
2:44 The suspicious look at his back, because a cardassian soldier was stationed there.
Now that his life is truly at risk, and cardassians start to resist, everyone of them could end his life. He is truly in fear and starts to see enemies everywhere.
The actor playing Damar should have been promoted to key series regular in enterprise. Very good with words
I would hate to be that Cardassian at 2:08
Yeah those guys are lucky the changling didn't have them killed on the spot like what ended up happening when they purged the planet.
I really wish Damar survived the Finale. Damar surviving to become the leader of all Cardassia, and Garak becoming his chief advisor, would have been a perfect ending for me. I always saw Garak as more of a hidden ruler that pulled the strings, rather than being the figure head and face of the government.
Seemed more realistic to have Damar die in trying to get there. Would be too predictable if he survived. Also, Garak had no business running the political side. Frankly, would've like to see Garak just retire somewhere and marry someone, have children, living somewhere nice. Maybe even Earth.
@@oldtwinsna8347 Garak's only desire was to return to his home and to see it freed from the Dominion. Settling on Earth wouldn't make much sense
@@KaiserFranzJosefI He already saw it freed - the consequence was every scholar, every person of importance was wiped out and while it would recover, it no longer resembled his Cardassia in any way, shape, or form. Also, Garak was always a creature who merged into his anti-thesis, so a life on Earth is actually very much in line given his experience with humans/federation.
In the novels, Garak becomes the leader of Cardassia.
@@rharris4736 Yeah, I know and it doesn't really make sense to me. At the time of the finale, Garak was an exile and every contact he had on Cardassia were killed already in the episode "In a Pale Moonlight". His power base was through Tain and the Obsidian Order, and they were wiped out. The only way it makes sense is if he was installed as the puppet ruler with the Federation's backing, much like Damar was with the Dominion. But Garak being anyone's puppet just doesn't fit the character to me. I'm sure there were still many Legates left, who were among the joint Federation alliance fleet, Legate's with more military backing to vye for the newly vacant seat of power.
Those helmets are quite similar to the one Princess Leia wore in Jabbas palace when she rescued Han.
Oooh, no no no no! Patented Star Trek helmets, original DS9 recipe!
No shit. It's almost like the producers made them look like the Ubese on purpose as a nod to Star Wars... 🙄
@@Locutus494 much preferred it when Star Trek made references to Dirty Pair
Damar really grew after he was separated from Dukat and then he really took off when he decided it was time to end the Dominion.
Damar becoming the unlikely hero for the federation
It seemed liked Dukat was the one who'd be leading his people against the Dominion based on how his character was written in the past. But seeing Damar's evolution as a character was great. Casey Biggs needs to be praised more often.
I loved his character, it was one of the best arcs in the franchise honestly. Just a random, by the book sort of officer in his first appearance(s). One who clearly isn't a sociopath like Dukat but is also definitely a military hardliner and loyalist. And throughout the last 3 seasons you can see those 3 traits all warring against each other until his horror at the indiscriminate slaughter finally breaks through the military conditioning and he realises he has no choice BUT to become a "traitor". Yet he does so anyway, because he genuinely cares about his people. The actor was super underrated too, did a great job
Damar began as almost every other Cardassian military character introduced in Star Trek. A loyal soldier who toed the line while looking for an opportunity to make himself the bigger brown noser or something else. He was a proud Cardassian who grew tired of the Dominion's lack of concern for his people. Each Weyoun he encountered ground his nerves into powder by being very irritating and apathetic. Damar knew his loyalties were to Cardassia, not the Dominion, and knew that the only way to help his people regain their pride as Cardassians was to fight against the Dominion. At first, he thought he could restore Cardassia as how he remembered it. The death of his family along with Kira's words helped him realize that Cardassia couldn't return to that form. It needed to rebuild and become a different society.
1:40 This was one of the most pivotal moments in Dumar's story. Yeah he could have been a thorn in the Dominion's side and an asset to the Federation, but this moment to me felt like where Domar once again became a fleshed out character in his own right and this speech going forward felt like it came from the heart
They way that one breen looks over at his companion like the 50 cent "what he say fuck me for?" clip is so good.
One of the best episodes and character developments in a series ever imo.
"I don't care how many Cardassians you have to kill find Damar." Yeah, that'll really win hearts and minds. It's clear that Weyoun never took what Dukat told him during their occupation of DS9 to heart. Then again, it may also be a consequence of their genetic engineering.
0:33 Interesting, that the treaty between the Dominion and the Cardassian Union was already planning a war, since it was signed way before it actually started.
This scene makes me smile so much.
0:14 looks like Sisko is going to hug him from behind. DS9 love story
When I first saw this it felt like a real turning point in the war.
They really did a good job of making the war feel organic throughout the series. The slow build up to it with hints of the Dominions power in the early seasons. The betrayal of Duckat and the start of the war. The loss of the station and the pyrrhic victory that was its recapture. The breen. And finally the rebellion and plague. Deep Space Nine actually made you feel, for a moment at least, that the federation could lose.
I wasn't a DS( fan until Biggs showed up. It's weird, but when I started watching it, his incredible arc from a no-name legate to a riveting freedom fighter is compelling as hell!
"There'll never be another like her."
Immediately gets another of the exact same class and gives it the same name.
Weyoun Huit losing the smugness after bragging about the attack on Starfleet HQ and nearly destroying all those helpless escape pods was brilliant, feeling not as immortal as before.
Sidenote: I would've demanded Weyoun's genetic profile be deleted from all Dominion cloning facilities as part of the peace treaty.
He's definitely one of my favourite characters, very good acting.
Cardassia probably would have (eventually) joined the Federation if Damar had lived. They were on the cusp of having a competent and just leader, who probably would have opened Cardassia up to the Alpha Quadrant and brought about a Golden Age for them. It kinda bummed me out how he died.
Nope.
in STO, by 2409, Cardassia is a protectorate of the federation, as is Ferenginar. Both are working their way towards membership (thanks mainly to Garak and Rom, respectively) and both species are common sights in Starfleet.
Loved the dominion war story arch! So entertaining
A great example of character development that so called screenwriters now a day can learn a lot about.
Did anyone else hear the Breen say "perfectly clear"? Only thing I hear and it makes sense.
"We've become servants in our own houses."
If Starfleet does not have a statue of Damar somewhere on earth they should be ashamed he was the key to saving their way of life.
The current statue controversy kinda shows why making statues of people isn't really a good idea. People are complicated, Damar himself has killed many innocent people and helped Dukat and the Dominion in the first place. He also seems to have had some involvement in the Bajoran occupation. Creating a statue of him would be glorifying (or at least ignoring) all the bad shit he did.
@@FortoFight "statue controversy"? you mean a bunch of dipshits that should have been thrown in prison for their crimes? that's not a "controversy".
In my nation they all would have been executed for committing such an atrocity. A hero is a hero and engaging in terrorist acts like destroying a historical monument is considered one of the highest forms of offense.
@@Archedgar What nation is that? I don't wanna go there lmao.
@@Archedgar I can't tell if this is someone role playing as a Cardassian or what
@@gluetubeserver That's cute.
From a-hole to hero!!!