I just purchased the Plug in Kia, Niro, because I was absolutely Spoiled by my Mercedes-Benz ML 250 Diesel. 30 MPG was great, and diesel engines last for over a million miles. I first thought about the KIA Sportage, but the price was way too much for what you get. I jumped on the Kia Niro Plug-In. WOW no gas yet because 90 percent of my driving is grocery getting and once in a blue moon, a long trip (over 800 Miles) I carry both 120 volt charger that takes 2 days to charge adn the 240 volt charger, that charges in just a few hours!. The Niro Plug-In has tons of features, outstanding warranty, and an ICE COLD Air conditioning that makes a man realize he has nipples too! I am VERY impressed with the Niro and will connect to your Android phone with Spotify, plus Google maps that are ALWAYS updated, (Not on the standard car maps that were usually installed last year) Thank you for your GREAT information! I am an absolute penny pincher, and am even trying to figure out how to double or triple the size of my lithium battery to go even further for free. Now to figure out a solar system to charge the KIA from the sun. :)
I bought a BMW x5 45e. It handles beautifully, can tow around 7000 lbs, has self driving mode, is AWD, it is the height of luxury with well thought out technology, and is an easy to use, plug in hybrid. Battery only mode is 30-37 miles.
In 2018 i bought a honda clarity PHEV in Canada $39999. Before tax and at the time a $14000. Gov incentive with 72km electric range and combined 500km. It is amazing I got 115000 km's on it now and only did brakes on it. It was discontinued in 2021...
Why on Earth would you need to replace THE BRAKES on a hybrid after 71k miles? Not even my regular gas car needed new brakes until about 80k to 85k miles.
Not sure whether the 2023 Rav4 Prime is different tech, but mine arrived in mid-April, so one month of use in the moderate temperatures in southern England (5-15 degrees C typically during the day). Takes 5 hours to fully charge, although we have 240V in the UK so that may make a difference. My range has never been lower than 45 miles and on local in-town round-trip commuting, it'll do closer to 55-60 miles on a full battery. In fact, the "expected" range started at 42 miles when I first got the vehicle, and on full charge it now shows 51. Our fuel filling stations have minimum 5 litre rules, and I was shocked the first week to only need 3.9 litres before the fuel pump tripped out. I managed to nurse it up to 5l exactly, but clearly don't need to fill up every week. I have done a couple of longer runs, but my total fuel bill a month would have been (at current prices) £180 in my old Renault Scenic, £135 in my Rav4 Hybrid, but so far I have spent £59 on electricity and £32 on fuel, covering 786 miles. Pretty nice.
Yup. Mistake made so I now deplete to close to empty. Takes three months at this point! Went on holiday, did 1200 miles, filled up before I left, then a week after I got back!
Bought a ford escape PHEV, Titanium. Very happy with it. 80% of electric power on 7Km so far. Urban travel mostly. took 7 month from ordrering to delevery
It looks like Outlander is the best choose, it is more EV car than a hybrid, with no gearbox, no PTU, no rear axle, a good EV range, 7 seats, good acceleration, nice design, rich options, good price and Japan quality.
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV outmatches Rav 4 Prime via 7 seat option, cargo space and the best part: fast charging availability, so if you drive longer distances, you can extend EV drive range and save more money on fuel while having snacks ..
Great video, thanks. One omission... the new US tax rebate. They've reduced the battery size requirement (now it's just a minimum of 7 kwhr) and imposed restrictions on battery material sourcing and assembly locations. Kinda difficult to find good information on that rebate at the moment, and I'd love it if you chimed in. Also, unless I'm very much mistaken, the Ford Escape PHEV is the only vehicle from that list that is assembled in the US. I have no idea about the battery material sourcing. But if you can knock $7500 off your taxes for the year by buying an Escape instead of a Niro or Tucson, that makes a big difference on the budget outlook for one of these vehicles.
@@mcraven747 pretty much, from what I'm seeing too. "Market Adjustment Fees". Love corporate capitalism: heads we win, tails you lose. ETA: I don't know whether there's any correlation between rebate and fees actually. I don't have that dataset (or the expertise to analyze it anyway, lol)
@@pstimpert Market Adjustment Fees are quite simply just money grabs based on current supply and demand economics. Many people buy cars just to resell them at a profit for the same reason, although it is not allowed in some jurisdictions.
Another mention for the Lincoln Corsair GT. Its made in the US (Kentucky), is eligible for tax incentives, runs on Regular fuel (most others are Premium), and is a 2.5L Atkinson Cycle engine developed by Toyota. Close to 30 miles on pure electric, great mileage on pure ICE mode and even better as Hybrid, Best of all worlds.
In an ideal world, I would be walking up to a Toyota dealership and driving away with a Toyota Rav4 Prime. But, Toyota has not really been up to the task with investing in an EV future. On top of that, the current supply chains are already straining supply. So, as a consumer who is eager to make the transition to a PHEV, I'm left with going to a dealership (in SoCal) and have the associates stare me straight in the face and ask for a $10k markup...with no federal rebates because of the new legislation. Crazy world. I have to consider #9 on the list as Ford (the one dealer I found) accepts custom orders with no dealer markups or add-ons. Great video BTW!!!
Hi Shari, Do you see any chance of new car prices gonna go down at some point in the future? or is it just continue going up. (We’re talking about 1 year period give or take) And what is the best time to buy a car, at the beginning, middle, or at the end of a year, and at the beginning, mid, or at the end of a month? Love your video by the way 👍
New car prices will go up but far more gradually than they did this past year. Unfortunately with the severe shortage of cars there is really no benefit to timing the market anymore. Buy/order when you need. It's really more now about shopping around.
I bite the bullet and brought the RAV4 Prime 2023. Just Wow. Love the vehicle. It has a comfortable ride, firm handling, quick acceleration, and luxurious interior. On a level 2 charger( Chargepoint), it takes about 2 hours 20 min from 0 to 100%. I am driving to and from work in city driving round trip in EV mode around 25 miles and I still have 1/2 battery power left. I have been driving a week in strictly EV mode and I still have a full tank of gas with a HV range of 560 miles. Insane!!! Just imagine if Toyota can some how improve the EV range to 100 miles in the future, this vehicle would be the top selling brand worldwide and will set the standard for all other PHEV. Now I wonder if I should start using HV mode to use some of the gas in the vehicle before it loses its fuel burning efficiency from staying too long in a tank.😮
I have the Rav4 Prime 2023 and this vehicle is a beast!!! Super Fast the only thing that they need to upgrade is the battery. It's too small, 40 miles per charge (in sport mode) will drain in a blink on an eye. But in general the car is an A+.
RAV4 Prime at local dealership is on a 2 year old waiting list of 13 people still. Made in Japan and they are producing very few for the market due to supply issues. Placed my name on a hybrid instead that is a 12 month waiting list. Crazy times.
I've also been trying to buy a Rav4 Prime for the last 18 months. It's hopeless, until the supply catches up with backlogged demand. I've been driving a Prius Prime since July 2019 and am thoroughly convinced that PHEV's are the way to go in the Western US and Canada, where inter-city driving distances are so much longer than on the East coast, that "range anxiety" with pure EV's is a serious problem.
If you live in a cold climate, then a heat pump is a real good idea, I know the RAV4 has one. If you buy, say a Tuscon which I believe does not have a heat pump, then you will find the gas engine is cutting in a lot more and negates the whole purpose of having a PHEV & you'd be better off with a standard hybrid (we drive a Tucson Blue). I think this was a glaring omission in what was otherwise, a good presentation.
I need some suggestions to buy or choose hybrid SUV - which one is better? Honda CRV or KIA Sportage or Hyundai Tucson or any other suggestions please? I am looking for reliability and less maintenance
👍. You provide the reviews everyone is interested in. Nailed it on the top 2. Great job ✅ Folks, don’t get sucked into an auto purchase which takes 1/3 of your income. You’ll never get ahead and assume a lifetime of liability and debt is normal. (The objective of auto advertising). It’s not. If a deep recession or a depression hits the bank takes everything and you are left with nothing. If you’re doing it right the bank pays you money, you don’t pay the bank. Be an owner not a loaner.
Not sure about this video. In other one that he talks about, he does mention the Hyundai Tucson plug in hybrid as # 3 for best one. Also I wonder if he is paid to promote RAV4 Prime since it was the first on the list on pr ious video. Toyota Rav 4 hybride, at the moment have n Many issues in regard to the electric system under the car as for corrosion which is only guarantee for 3 years. There is a law suit at the moment with Toyota in regards to RAV4 hybride for this situation.
I have the BMW 45E as well, it’s amazing! The new 50E appears to be even better. Different price point I know, but put up against these cars it would be far superior so definitely belongs in the line up. I bought mine used for about what the top of the line Lexus Hybred costs.
Hi Shari, I follow your youtube page for a while and I really like your videos. Can you also make a video on 5 seater SUVs which are good in rear seat space. One of the challenge with Lexus RX or Audi Q5 is that the rear seat doesnt have much room and looks tight. Any recommendations would really help. Thanks Srini
It is too bad that the new Honda CR-V does not came as a plug-in hybrid. It is well built, bigger inside and I believe much quieter on the highway than the very, very good Toyota RAVA4 Prime.
As of now, my personal favorite PHEV is MY23 Outlander hands down. One of the most important factors missing in your review is the DC charging capability, that's a deal breaker for me personally. On a side note, the Lexus picks look soo ugly in their design(lost of interest immediately), and Toyota is kinda hyped up imo.
I will argue one of the hallmarks of an "suv" is all wheel drive..the ford escape and huyandi niro you feature are front drive only , therefore not suvs but raised hatchbacks
When will we have a Diesel-electric (or Gasoline-electric) that uses a smaller 500cc (not a 2.5L or 2500cc) 10KW generator to recharge the battery pack and power the drive motors? You know, just like the current Diesel electric locomotives have been doing for decades (sans batteries). The generator constantly charges the battery pack (ex. an 8.8kWh battery in
Because that's a dumb and inefficient way of using gasoline for energy. Diesel-Electric trains are not charging a battery pack to drive the wheels, much like massive Earth mover trucks, they simply convert the power to electric to drive the electric motors because it's impractical to build a transmission directly linking the two. The E-CVT transmissions in many hybrids give a direct link between the engine and wheels and are much more efficient than generating electricity and converting it back again to drive the car. Range extender cars have already been produced and were mostly a flop.
@@jasono2139 Geeze , I wasn't applying for a patent. Just wondering why we needed 2.5L engines to drive cars when a .5L generator could supply the power comparable to that supplied by the batteries.
Great video! I would like to mention that i believe the outlander will beat the rav4 based on the numbers coming out of korea and australia is seems to get 80km ev range and maybe 5.5l/100km
The problem with the Outlander is that Mitsubishi has only 350 dealerships in the US, making them by far the smallest Asia-based car company. The closest dealer to where I live is 200 miles away. The Outlander PHEV has a lot going for it, and if they had a dealership in my city, I'd maybe consider one, but Toyota, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, and Honda each have like 20 dealerships for every One Mitsubishi dealership, and that's just not a comfortable thought when you start to consider "how would I get this car fixed if it broke down on a long road trip?"
@@laura-ann.0726 I can only tell you that my 2014 Outlander PHEV has had exactly one issue from new. The cruise control switch needed replacing under warranty. Still I understand your reticence. In Australia we have franchises that do more than one brand eg The Mitsubish dealership is also a Toyota dealership. The one across the road does MG, Suzuki and Hyundai. Don't sell enough cars to survive on a single brand.
@@mondotv4216 - Lots of dealerships here in the States do this too, especially in smaller towns. Like combination Ford/Volvo, or Kia/Hyundai. Auto Malls are a big thing here, too, where 10 or more dealerships all co-exist together on a single large parcel of land. Ford, Chevrolet, GM Truck, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, Kia, Hyundai, Dodge/Chrysler, and Jeep all have lots in a mall about 10 km south of where I live (in Elk Grove, California). They're owned by 5 or 6 different people, but this is only one of three such auto malls in the Sacramento Metro area, and it's the smallest of the three. Besides these three malls, there are several other independent Ford, Toyota, Chevy, Nissan, and Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and BMW dealerships scattered around town that aren't located in multi-dealer malls. There's 2.5 million population in the 5-County Sacramento Metro Area, and probably at least 50 car dealerships total. But no Mitsubishi dealership closer than the San Francisco Bay Area, southwest of me about 250 miles (400 km) round-trip.
@@laura-ann.0726 I agree with you. I was quite interested in the Outlander but the closest Mitsubishi dealer is an hour and a half drive away. If I needed to get something fixed that would be a big problem.
Imo more info such as the height for driver view also wading depth, ppl like me simply prefer higher view point as nowadays with too much tall transport on the road as well as annoying led light. Wading depth info help determine safety since floods is getting more & more common lol.
Why don’t you talk about the heat pumps ? That’s the critical differentiator especially for people living in cold weather. You should provide some technical info.
One of Germany car expert magazine compares plug hybrid Toyota Lav4 with Kia Spotage. The magazine announced kia spotage is 1 generation better than Toyota lav4. Go to see very famous German magazine in Europe.
I can relate to that. Don’t get why they are so popular in the US. Infotainment is at least one generation behind almost any other phev,no matter what brand…
The entire underside of the 2023 is now shielded with removable panels to keep most contamination away. The 2023 electrical cable shroud has also been modified to allow any possible contaminants to freely drain off. Toyotas constant improvement company are why they are so trusted. They’re not perfect but they seem to always want to improve.
Hi Shari, great video:) I am looking for a 3-row AWD PHEV. The options I could even find are Volvo XC90 and Kia Sorento. Having only 2 choices makes it difficult. Any others come to mind?
The 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV will have 3-rows, but the third row is tight and only for kids. For a 3-row SUV I'd personally go with a Toyota Highlander Hybrid. It's not a PHEV but it's the best closest thing.
I think there is a Lincoln 3-row PHEV as well. I've been looking at this space and hope more car companies enter it. The Mitsubishi looks to have an insanely small 3rd row and the Sorento is only sold in 12 states, so availability is hard.
All of the Toyota hybrids driven in areas that use road salt suffer from main power wire corrosion after two or three years . After 3 years or 60,000 km Toyota won't cover the $7000 repair to replace the power cable . Mine has 57,450 km but is four months pass 3 years and now needs a new cable . After owning 6 Toyota suvs I won't be be buying another once this one goes . Cablegate applies to all wheel drive products but not front wheel drive . Lexus , Highlander , Rav4 ect. . No long term fix is available other than a new cable with a redesigned end that still corrodes because of galvanic corrosion . Then there's the broken hatch hinges , roof leaks , cracked lower control arms . Tin can junk .
Ford hybrid technology was NOT borrowed from Toyota, they were both working on the same approach and Toyota patented first. Ford traded some of their diesel patents with Toyota so they could use the system that they, Ford, had developed independently of Toyota.
I tried to focus mostly on reasonably priced SUVs that are attainable for most consumers. The Corsair is just too expensive. The Lexus made the cut because at least it has tremendously high resale value, reliability, and class leading efficiency.
How can you recommend the rav4 prime and not mention the poor design of the rear high voltage cable that corrodes and cost $6000 to repair. Very misleading
Even with that risk I'd still buy one if I could. No car is perfect and other options have more drawbacks than this. This is easily preventable with simple oil spray rustproofing until Toyota solves it.
We own two Rav 4 Primes and we always leave the tank full with ethanol free fuel and drive in EV only for 6 months At the six month point we burn off the gasoline and repeat. You don’t want to drive with no fuel. Occasionally, the gasoline engine will kick on for a minute than turn off.
Of course I would like more range, but I have been pleasantly surprised by my Pacifica's 30-ish miles EV range combined with a level 2 charger. I've driven ~60% of my 109,000 miles on electricity, and I live in a low-density suburban - almost rural - area in Florida (>25 minutes to any Target or Walmart). Being able to charge fully every time you come home (hence need for level 2 charger), means that 30 miles of every trip you take are electric. As long as most of your trips are 60 miles or less, you are halfway to an EV with a relatively small battery and you still have the gas backup. I like PHEVs as a bridge to a full EV future.
@@CJ-gs2uf I've had similar results with my family's Pacifica, although it rarely gets more than 20 miles on the battery until spring/summer/fall due to cold weather. Most of our trips are less than 30 miles and about 50% to 60% have been solely on the battery.
I know this is a crossover vid, but i think it shouldve been mentioned, the V60 Recharge has the same drivetrain as the XC60 recharge, more electric range, (more carrying capacity than the 2022 Niro), but starts at 59950 CAD, which means it just barely qualifies for the national gov't EV rebate here, where the XCs dont. Wagons qualify at the same 60k threshold as SUVs here. Both Lexus and Volvo found a way to limbo under that bar with the NX450h+ and V60 T8 sharing identical base spec MSRPs, and lead the luxury marques in electric range, but the NX at that price was VERY stripped down, vs the V60 still gets a decent list of features, though obvs not competitive with the cheaper top trim Hyundais and kias. I just thought it's funny seeing luxury brands strip down their cars and cut MSRP for a piddly $5000 discount from the government, and a gov't rebate is what it took to get car makers to sell Canadians a cheaper base spec than the US. But I passed on the escape PHEV cause it was 2wd only and a lil too tall for my needs. I passed the Niro phev because it's 2wd only, its a glorified hatchback, and its 2022 range and power figures were a lil anemic for my tastes. but if final specs would get announced for the 2023 Niro phev... I could overlook a lack of awd and loss of interior space, if power and electric range go up, and height doesnt grow. My V60 T8 deposit is refundable, and lord knows I aint getting it any time soon... Kia, get ur shit together.
don't by the Volvo XC recharge! It has a Propulsion system problem. i had a lemon and got a second one which is having the same problem as before. lasts 2-4 months before it just bombs!
I have an XC recharge and also a lemon. enging light keeps coming on. same issue every 2-4 months same problem. mine issue is with the on board charger. Avoid volvo.
Nothing here comes close to being practical for rural use. I need an SUV with 4wheel drive that has an electric range of around 200km (trip to town and back) then a gas engine for longer trips. Ideally this would be like the old BMW that had a 2 stroke charger in the back as a 'range extender' 50hp would be plenty as the gas engine is only a charger with the electric side providing the performance.
Thinking about buying Mistsubishi Outlander PHEV due to 3 rows and low price. Although Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is not qualifying for federal tax credit. Is it worth buying then?
If they had solar panels on top to help charge the batteries when not in use or extend range I think they would be , the Hyundai Sonata hybrid has a 200 watt solar panel on top and it gets 3 to 4 miles extra range a day, the vehicles on this list have a larger roof areas so I think they would get another 6 to 8 miles a day extra in a permanent free charge.
Where are BMW X5e or Mercedes GLE350e or EclassPHEV or JLR Range Rover Sport EV or Porsche Cayenne PHEV ? They all have better EV range then any car in the video, better quality and better looking.
I just purchased the Plug in Kia, Niro, because I was absolutely Spoiled by my Mercedes-Benz ML 250 Diesel. 30 MPG was great, and diesel engines last for over a million miles.
I first thought about the KIA Sportage, but the price was way too much for what you get. I jumped on the Kia Niro Plug-In. WOW no gas yet because 90 percent of my driving is grocery getting and once in a blue moon, a long trip (over 800 Miles) I carry both 120 volt charger that takes 2 days to charge adn the 240 volt charger, that charges in just a few hours!. The Niro Plug-In has tons of features, outstanding warranty, and an ICE COLD Air conditioning that makes a man realize he has nipples too!
I am VERY impressed with the Niro and will connect to your Android phone with Spotify, plus Google maps that are ALWAYS updated, (Not on the standard car maps that were usually installed last year)
Thank you for your GREAT information! I am an absolute penny pincher, and am even trying to figure out how to double or triple the size of my lithium battery to go even further for free. Now to figure out a solar system to charge the KIA from the sun. :)
I bought a BMW x5 45e. It handles beautifully, can tow around 7000 lbs, has self driving mode, is AWD, it is the height of luxury with well thought out technology, and is an easy to use, plug in hybrid. Battery only mode is 30-37 miles.
Sounds wonderful. It’s also $25K more than the RAV4 Prime that gets 37-55 electric miles. And is noticeably less luxurious.
That is a good car. Just very expensive.
Is bmw reliable….. uh NO. If you lease it no problem. If you own one fuck NO.
Best is outlander phev. The option price , ev range . And luxury all together . This is the best .
In 2018 i bought a honda clarity PHEV in Canada $39999. Before tax and at the time a $14000. Gov incentive with 72km electric range and combined 500km. It is amazing I got 115000 km's on it now and only did brakes on it. It was discontinued in 2021...
Same here
Why on Earth would you need to replace THE BRAKES on a hybrid after 71k miles?
Not even my regular gas car needed new brakes until about 80k to 85k miles.
have the video?
Maybe bc the breaks help with regenerating energy... 10-15k mi difference is not a huge deal if your saving that much in fule economy @jasono2139
Not sure whether the 2023 Rav4 Prime is different tech, but mine arrived in mid-April, so one month of use in the moderate temperatures in southern England (5-15 degrees C typically during the day). Takes 5 hours to fully charge, although we have 240V in the UK so that may make a difference. My range has never been lower than 45 miles and on local in-town round-trip commuting, it'll do closer to 55-60 miles on a full battery. In fact, the "expected" range started at 42 miles when I first got the vehicle, and on full charge it now shows 51.
Our fuel filling stations have minimum 5 litre rules, and I was shocked the first week to only need 3.9 litres before the fuel pump tripped out. I managed to nurse it up to 5l exactly, but clearly don't need to fill up every week. I have done a couple of longer runs, but my total fuel bill a month would have been (at current prices) £180 in my old Renault Scenic, £135 in my Rav4 Hybrid, but so far I have spent £59 on electricity and £32 on fuel, covering 786 miles. Pretty nice.
What is the minimum 5liter rule about? I’m from the states and never heard of this
Filling beyond the trip point is extremely damaging to the fuel management system and can result in the need for very expensive repairs.
Yup. Mistake made so I now deplete to close to empty. Takes three months at this point! Went on holiday, did 1200 miles, filled up before I left, then a week after I got back!
@@mattgowen Great!
Bought a ford escape PHEV, Titanium. Very happy with it. 80% of electric power on 7Km so far. Urban travel mostly. took 7 month from ordrering to delevery
It looks like Outlander is the best choose, it is more EV car than a hybrid, with no gearbox, no PTU, no rear axle, a good EV range, 7 seats, good acceleration, nice design, rich options, good price and Japan quality.
Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV outmatches Rav 4 Prime via 7 seat option, cargo space and the best part: fast charging availability, so if you drive longer distances, you can extend EV drive range and save more money on fuel while having snacks ..
I totally agree with that. It is the best selling in the world loaded with modern tech.
Probably not as good reliability as Toyota though!
Mitsubishi lost my business when they started their collab with Nissan.
@@ted9592 Why so?
@@franallas3649 And that's a BIG point.
Great video, thanks. One omission... the new US tax rebate. They've reduced the battery size requirement (now it's just a minimum of 7 kwhr) and imposed restrictions on battery material sourcing and assembly locations. Kinda difficult to find good information on that rebate at the moment, and I'd love it if you chimed in.
Also, unless I'm very much mistaken, the Ford Escape PHEV is the only vehicle from that list that is assembled in the US. I have no idea about the battery material sourcing. But if you can knock $7500 off your taxes for the year by buying an Escape instead of a Niro or Tucson, that makes a big difference on the budget outlook for one of these vehicles.
Good point Philip.
From what I've heard, however, the American dealerships have priced the rebate into the MSRP.
@@mcraven747 pretty much, from what I'm seeing too. "Market Adjustment Fees". Love corporate capitalism: heads we win, tails you lose.
ETA: I don't know whether there's any correlation between rebate and fees actually. I don't have that dataset (or the expertise to analyze it anyway, lol)
wgat about the toyota harrier 2023 phev
@@pstimpert Market Adjustment Fees are quite simply just money grabs based on current supply and demand economics. Many people buy cars just to resell them at a profit for the same reason, although it is not allowed in some jurisdictions.
Another mention for the Lincoln Corsair GT. Its made in the US (Kentucky), is eligible for tax incentives, runs on Regular fuel (most others are Premium), and is a 2.5L Atkinson Cycle engine developed by Toyota. Close to 30 miles on pure electric, great mileage on pure ICE mode and even better as Hybrid, Best of all worlds.
But has crappy suspension and it's go poor reliability.
I find the ride very smooth and well controlled!
I went with the 2023 Crosstrek PHEV and am loving it!
In an ideal world, I would be walking up to a Toyota dealership and driving away with a Toyota Rav4 Prime. But, Toyota has not really been up to the task with investing in an EV future. On top of that, the current supply chains are already straining supply. So, as a consumer who is eager to make the transition to a PHEV, I'm left with going to a dealership (in SoCal) and have the associates stare me straight in the face and ask for a $10k markup...with no federal rebates because of the new legislation. Crazy world. I have to consider #9 on the list as Ford (the one dealer I found) accepts custom orders with no dealer markups or add-ons. Great video BTW!!!
Thank you! The Escape PHEV is definitely a good alternative to the Prime 👍
RAV 4 Prime - Awesome vehicle !! Its worth the order time.
Hi Shari, Do you see any chance of new car prices gonna go down at some point in the future? or is it just continue going up.
(We’re talking about 1 year period give or take)
And what is the best time to buy a car, at the beginning, middle, or at the end of a year, and at the beginning, mid, or at the end of a month?
Love your video by the way 👍
New car prices will go up but far more gradually than they did this past year. Unfortunately with the severe shortage of cars there is really no benefit to timing the market anymore. Buy/order when you need. It's really more now about shopping around.
It's the bloody destination fee/charge that keeps rising. As an example, albeit another type of vehicle, it is over $1700 on a Ram Truck, crazy!
Got a Sportage SX PHEV white color JuLy 5th in Quebec.
Just WoW wow wow
We love it
I bite the bullet and brought the RAV4 Prime 2023. Just Wow. Love the vehicle. It has a comfortable ride, firm handling, quick acceleration, and luxurious interior. On a level 2 charger( Chargepoint), it takes about 2 hours 20 min from 0 to 100%. I am driving to and from work in city driving round trip in EV mode around 25 miles and I still have 1/2 battery power left. I have been driving a week in strictly EV mode and I still have a full tank of gas with a HV range of 560 miles. Insane!!! Just imagine if Toyota can some how improve the EV range to 100 miles in the future, this vehicle would be the top selling brand worldwide and will set the standard for all other PHEV. Now I wonder if I should start using HV mode to use some of the gas in the vehicle before it loses its fuel burning efficiency from staying too long in a tank.😮
I have the Rav4 Prime 2023 and this vehicle is a beast!!! Super Fast the only thing that they need to upgrade is the battery. It's too small, 40 miles per charge (in sport mode) will drain in a blink on an eye. But in general the car is an A+.
RAV4 Prime at local dealership is on a 2 year old waiting list of 13 people still. Made in Japan and they are producing very few for the market due to supply issues. Placed my name on a hybrid instead that is a 12 month waiting list. Crazy times.
I've also been trying to buy a Rav4 Prime for the last 18 months. It's hopeless, until the supply catches up with backlogged demand. I've been driving a Prius Prime since July 2019 and am thoroughly convinced that PHEV's are the way to go in the Western US and Canada, where inter-city driving distances are so much longer than on the East coast, that "range anxiety" with pure EV's is a serious problem.
@@laura-ann.0726 Waiting time for a Rav4 Prime is too long but nothing compared to Tesla Cybertruck.
not sure about xc60 phev but the rest of the mentioned cars requires wait time of anywhere from 12-36 months.
I ordered sz lincoln Corsair GT and only waited 4 months
If you live in a cold climate, then a heat pump is a real good idea, I know the RAV4 has one. If you buy, say a Tuscon which I believe does not have a heat pump, then you will find the gas engine is cutting in a lot more and negates the whole purpose of having a PHEV & you'd be better off with a standard hybrid (we drive a Tucson Blue). I think this was a glaring omission in what was otherwise, a good presentation.
I need some suggestions to buy or choose hybrid SUV - which one is better? Honda CRV or KIA Sportage or Hyundai Tucson or any other suggestions please? I am looking for reliability and less maintenance
I love the options from Kia and hyundai but for reliability Honda CRV for sure.
I would recommend anything but hyundai or kia unless you wanna die burnt inside the car or engine blow up and they deny warranty repair
KIA loves to brag about their 10 year warranties... Which they then never honor.
👍. You provide the reviews everyone is interested in. Nailed it on the top 2. Great job ✅
Folks, don’t get sucked into an auto purchase which takes 1/3 of your income. You’ll never get ahead and assume a lifetime of liability and debt is normal. (The objective of auto advertising). It’s not. If a deep recession or a depression hits the bank takes everything and you are left with nothing.
If you’re doing it right the bank pays you money, you don’t pay the bank. Be an owner not a loaner.
Not sure about this video. In other one that he talks about, he does mention the Hyundai Tucson plug in hybrid as # 3 for best one. Also I wonder if he is paid to promote RAV4 Prime since it was the first on the list on pr ious video. Toyota Rav 4 hybride, at the moment have n
Many issues in regard to the electric system under the car as for corrosion which is only guarantee for 3 years. There is a law suit at the moment with Toyota in regards to RAV4 hybride for this situation.
Does anyone know why there is no plug-in hybrid forerunner? I would buy that yesterday if it was available.
I am thinking between RAV4 SE plug in hybrid and xse hybrid is that the same as rav4 prime?
Yes prime refers to plug in the difference between SE and SEX is only the package options
The RAV4 prime is essentially unattainable. Minimum weight of 12 months to two years. Most people can’t wait that long when shopping for a new car.
I agree with your assessment aside from the premium cars. The prices change dramatically with them
My question is I am looking to buy a 2024 PHEV, the models are Lincoln Corsair and the Volvo XC 60 which one is the better buy
I reckon the Kia Sorento is the best in overall value given the very high tech you get & the comfort + the 7 year warranty
I have the BMW 45E as well, it’s amazing! The new 50E appears to be even better. Different price point I know, but put up against these cars it would be far superior so definitely belongs in the line up. I bought mine used for about what the top of the line Lexus Hybred costs.
Reliability will be a big question until more experienced with them is gained. Until then, it's rolling the dice.
Superb well organized review. I'm going with the NX 450h+.😊
Hi Shari, I follow your youtube page for a while and I really like your videos. Can you also make a video on 5 seater SUVs which are good in rear seat space. One of the challenge with Lexus RX or Audi Q5 is that the rear seat doesnt have much room and looks tight. Any recommendations would really help. Thanks Srini
It is too bad that the new Honda CR-V does not came as a plug-in hybrid. It is well built, bigger inside and I believe much quieter on the highway than the very, very good Toyota RAVA4 Prime.
Thank you for the thorough coverage on each SUV.
The NX is rated at 37 miles or 61 km. The combined fuel economy is 6.6 L/100km. The numbers aren't the same as the RX as the RX is a heavier car
For me I prefer the Outlander it has everything I need...
By legendary Toyota reliability were you referring to the BZ4X - recalled because the wheels might fall off!
Very insightful. What is the price range for the Lexus RX?
was at the Los Angeles car show a week ago and saw the Lexus RX...they didn't know when it would be out or the price
As of now, my personal favorite PHEV is MY23 Outlander hands down. One of the most important factors missing in your review is the DC charging capability, that's a deal breaker for me personally. On a side note, the Lexus picks look soo ugly in their design(lost of interest immediately), and Toyota is kinda hyped up imo.
I will argue one of the hallmarks of an "suv" is all wheel drive..the ford escape and huyandi niro you feature are front drive only , therefore not suvs but raised hatchbacks
The other SUV hallmarks are the looks, high ride height, and high seating position which they have, but yes point taken.
Are resistance band weights accurate?
When will we have a Diesel-electric (or Gasoline-electric) that uses a smaller 500cc (not a 2.5L or 2500cc) 10KW generator to recharge the battery pack and power the drive motors? You know, just like the current Diesel electric locomotives have been doing for decades (sans batteries). The generator constantly charges the battery pack (ex. an 8.8kWh battery in
Look up Nissan e-power
Because that's a dumb and inefficient way of using gasoline for energy.
Diesel-Electric trains are not charging a battery pack to drive the wheels, much like massive Earth mover trucks, they simply convert the power to electric to drive the electric motors because it's impractical to build a transmission directly linking the two.
The E-CVT transmissions in many hybrids give a direct link between the engine and wheels and are much more efficient than generating electricity and converting it back again to drive the car.
Range extender cars have already been produced and were mostly a flop.
@@jasono2139 Geeze , I wasn't applying for a patent. Just wondering why we needed 2.5L engines to drive cars when a .5L generator could supply the power comparable to that supplied by the batteries.
Rav 4 prime is always selling for 10k over suggested retail price. That is crazy.
Some are asking for 60K in my area
Got mine for $4k over
those lexus are fugly
@@akila219 moms love them
Got mine at MSRP, and $8500 in incentives!
Rav4 is Suzuki Across how they change the label to Toyota ??
I do not understand why the top companies like Toyota do not produce more PHEV if they are selling so well. Kick up the production!
Because batteries don't fall from the sky.
Especially when every EV produced is using the equivalent of (x5) PHEV's batteries.
Is Lexus NX 450 plug-in or just Hybrid, please let me know, thx for your Videos
Shari what do you think about Nissan E power can you make a show for it please thank you.
How about the upcoming mazda cx 90 phev?
Great video! I would like to mention that i believe the outlander will beat the rav4 based on the numbers coming out of korea and australia is seems to get 80km ev range and maybe 5.5l/100km
Official numbers just released for North America. 38 miles or 61km on one change. As I suspected RAV4 still narrowly beats it.
The problem with the Outlander is that Mitsubishi has only 350 dealerships in the US, making them by far the smallest Asia-based car company. The closest dealer to where I live is 200 miles away. The Outlander PHEV has a lot going for it, and if they had a dealership in my city, I'd maybe consider one, but Toyota, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, and Honda each have like 20 dealerships for every One Mitsubishi dealership, and that's just not a comfortable thought when you start to consider "how would I get this car fixed if it broke down on a long road trip?"
@@laura-ann.0726 I can only tell you that my 2014 Outlander PHEV has had exactly one issue from new. The cruise control switch needed replacing under warranty. Still I understand your reticence. In Australia we have franchises that do more than one brand eg The Mitsubish dealership is also a Toyota dealership. The one across the road does MG, Suzuki and Hyundai. Don't sell enough cars to survive on a single brand.
@@mondotv4216 - Lots of dealerships here in the States do this too, especially in smaller towns. Like combination Ford/Volvo, or Kia/Hyundai. Auto Malls are a big thing here, too, where 10 or more dealerships all co-exist together on a single large parcel of land. Ford, Chevrolet, GM Truck, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, Kia, Hyundai, Dodge/Chrysler, and Jeep all have lots in a mall about 10 km south of where I live (in Elk Grove, California). They're owned by 5 or 6 different people, but this is only one of three such auto malls in the Sacramento Metro area, and it's the smallest of the three. Besides these three malls, there are several other independent Ford, Toyota, Chevy, Nissan, and Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and BMW dealerships scattered around town that aren't located in multi-dealer malls. There's 2.5 million population in the 5-County Sacramento Metro Area, and probably at least 50 car dealerships total. But no Mitsubishi dealership closer than the San Francisco Bay Area, southwest of me about 250 miles (400 km) round-trip.
@@laura-ann.0726 I agree with you. I was quite interested in the Outlander but the closest Mitsubishi dealer is an hour and a half drive away. If I needed to get something fixed that would be a big problem.
Have you considered Mazda’s new CX-60 for this video?
This list focused on PHEVs available in the North American market.
😊 Is Kia Seltos 2023 good to buy? I would highly appreciate if u can share some review. Thank you
KIA and Hyundai are Junk Brands
PLEASE do a video on the best pug in hybrid CARS for 2023.
I currently have the Prius V four 2017 but considering the Kia Sportage PHEV for the price
Just bought one last month and loving it!!!
Have you tested the new Mercedes-Benz GLC 300 de plug-in hybrid?
I am waiting for Venza phev. More luxury but it is not as expensive as Lexus
i bought a sportage phev a few days b4 biden signed the bill. do i qualify for the phev tax credit then?
Imo more info such as the height for driver view also wading depth, ppl like me simply prefer higher view point as nowadays with too much tall transport on the road as well as annoying led light. Wading depth info help determine safety since floods is getting more & more common lol.
If you put Mitsubishi Outlander as #4 and Toyota RAV4 as #1 on the list, you should have included Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV.
Why don’t you talk about the heat pumps ? That’s the critical differentiator especially for people living in cold weather. You should provide some technical info.
Tucson 2023 hybrid?
Re: Lexus RX 450 H+ , when is coming out?
Early 2023
One of Germany car expert magazine compares plug hybrid Toyota Lav4 with Kia Spotage.
The magazine announced kia spotage is 1 generation better than Toyota lav4.
Go to see very famous German magazine in Europe.
I can relate to that. Don’t get why they are so popular in the US. Infotainment is at least one generation behind almost any other phev,no matter what brand…
The entire underside of the 2023 is now shielded with removable panels to keep most contamination away. The 2023 electrical cable shroud has also been modified to allow any possible contaminants to freely drain off. Toyotas constant improvement company are why they are so trusted. They’re not perfect but they seem to always want to improve.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING CAD PRICE!
Number 4 is the best .
The new outlander is king of the road!
I’ll buy the RAV 4 Hybrid Prime
Rav 4 was a new model in 2019 and it’s still the best.
Hi Shari, great video:) I am looking for a 3-row AWD PHEV. The options I could even find are Volvo XC90 and Kia Sorento. Having only 2 choices makes it difficult. Any others come to mind?
The 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV will have 3-rows, but the third row is tight and only for kids. For a 3-row SUV I'd personally go with a Toyota Highlander Hybrid. It's not a PHEV but it's the best closest thing.
@@carhelpcorner Thanks!
I think there is a Lincoln 3-row PHEV as well. I've been looking at this space and hope more car companies enter it. The Mitsubishi looks to have an insanely small 3rd row and the Sorento is only sold in 12 states, so availability is hard.
What about the electric wire problem on Toyota Rav 4, there is a class action against ToyoTa in Quebec…
All of the Toyota hybrids driven in areas that use road salt suffer from main power wire corrosion after two or three years . After 3 years or 60,000 km Toyota won't cover the $7000 repair to replace the power cable . Mine has 57,450 km but is four months pass 3 years and now needs a new cable . After owning 6 Toyota suvs I won't be be buying another once this one goes . Cablegate applies to all wheel drive products but not front wheel drive . Lexus , Highlander , Rav4 ect. . No long term fix is available other than a new cable with a redesigned end that still corrodes because of galvanic corrosion . Then there's the broken hatch hinges , roof leaks , cracked lower control arms . Tin can junk .
beautiful and great, wish i could afford it. guess i'll keep my 2007 kia
Great video
Please do a video on the Ford Tourneo. Thx.
Mercedes GLC 300e,BMW X1 30e, Landrover
Ford hybrid technology was NOT borrowed from Toyota, they were both working on the same approach and Toyota patented first. Ford traded some of their diesel patents with Toyota so they could use the system that they, Ford, had developed independently of Toyota.
Thank you Sir.
Why not a Lincoln Corsair GT? Its the luxury version of the Escape WITH AWD!
I have 22 Niro hybrid and get at least 50mpg
So no Lincoln Corsair? Good space, uses regular gas and luxury finishes, why it didn't make the list?
I tried to focus mostly on reasonably priced SUVs that are attainable for most consumers. The Corsair is just too expensive. The Lexus made the cut because at least it has tremendously high resale value, reliability, and class leading efficiency.
Any comment on X3, X5 PHEV ?
How can you recommend the rav4 prime and not mention the poor design of the rear high voltage cable that corrodes and cost $6000 to repair. Very misleading
Even with that risk I'd still buy one if I could. No car is perfect and other options have more drawbacks than this. This is easily preventable with simple oil spray rustproofing until Toyota solves it.
I have a 09 camry hybrid in the. Salt belt and never had a problem and it has 388000 km and it still has the original hybrid battery
@@carhelpcorner the oil spray voids the warranty
@@martinpeters4505 the problem with this one is in the design. It is mounted from below. Which causes it to be exposed to the salt and thus tust
@@carhelpcorner you should at least mention it. So people can be informed
how does bmw x5 45e is not on the list
Why no Merc GLA 250e.
Rave4 Prime is my choice. Nex is Prius Prime.
What about Mazda cx 70/90?
Can't comment until more details are released
Is it possible to drive a hybrid plug-in only on electric power without any gas in it
It may be possible but not recommended
We own two Rav 4 Primes and we always leave the tank full with ethanol free fuel and drive in EV only for 6 months
At the six month point we burn off the gasoline and repeat.
You don’t want to drive with no fuel. Occasionally, the gasoline engine will kick on for a minute than turn off.
Not if you live in cold weather.
None of them have enough EV range. After 4 years driving a PHEV I've determined that for our family 50+ miles of EV range is the minimum.
Of course I would like more range, but I have been pleasantly surprised by my Pacifica's 30-ish miles EV range combined with a level 2 charger. I've driven ~60% of my 109,000 miles on electricity, and I live in a low-density suburban - almost rural - area in Florida (>25 minutes to any Target or Walmart). Being able to charge fully every time you come home (hence need for level 2 charger), means that 30 miles of every trip you take are electric. As long as most of your trips are 60 miles or less, you are halfway to an EV with a relatively small battery and you still have the gas backup. I like PHEVs as a bridge to a full EV future.
@@CJ-gs2uf I've had similar results with my family's Pacifica, although it rarely gets more than 20 miles on the battery until spring/summer/fall due to cold weather.
Most of our trips are less than 30 miles and about 50% to 60% have been solely on the battery.
I get low 50's most every with my 2022 Rav4 prime summer driving here in Vermont
I know this is a crossover vid, but i think it shouldve been mentioned, the V60 Recharge has the same drivetrain as the XC60 recharge, more electric range, (more carrying capacity than the 2022 Niro), but starts at 59950 CAD, which means it just barely qualifies for the national gov't EV rebate here, where the XCs dont. Wagons qualify at the same 60k threshold as SUVs here. Both Lexus and Volvo found a way to limbo under that bar with the NX450h+ and V60 T8 sharing identical base spec MSRPs, and lead the luxury marques in electric range, but the NX at that price was VERY stripped down, vs the V60 still gets a decent list of features, though obvs not competitive with the cheaper top trim Hyundais and kias. I just thought it's funny seeing luxury brands strip down their cars and cut MSRP for a piddly $5000 discount from the government, and a gov't rebate is what it took to get car makers to sell Canadians a cheaper base spec than the US.
But I passed on the escape PHEV cause it was 2wd only and a lil too tall for my needs. I passed the Niro phev because it's 2wd only, its a glorified hatchback, and its 2022 range and power figures were a lil anemic for my tastes. but if final specs would get announced for the 2023 Niro phev... I could overlook a lack of awd and loss of interior space, if power and electric range go up, and height doesnt grow. My V60 T8 deposit is refundable, and lord knows I aint getting it any time soon... Kia, get ur shit together.
don't by the Volvo XC recharge! It has a Propulsion system problem. i had a lemon and got a second one which is having the same problem as before. lasts 2-4 months before it just bombs!
I have an XC recharge and also a lemon. enging light keeps coming on. same issue every 2-4 months same problem. mine issue is with the on board charger. Avoid volvo.
Nothing here comes close to being practical for rural use. I need an SUV with 4wheel drive that has an electric range of around 200km (trip to town and back) then a gas engine for longer trips. Ideally this would be like the old BMW that had a 2 stroke charger in the back as a 'range extender' 50hp would be plenty as the gas engine is only a charger with the electric side providing the performance.
What?s about Honda CRV Hybrid ?
Not a plug in hybrid
Why, oh why doesn't Toyota sell PHEVs here in Australia!
We're a big bloody country with loooong distances, ideal for a PHEV.
I love you My RAV4 PHEV prime dynamic premium 🚙🔌⚡️
Thinking about buying Mistsubishi Outlander PHEV due to 3 rows and low price. Although Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is not qualifying for federal tax credit. Is it worth buying then?
If they had solar panels on top to help charge the batteries when not in use or extend range I think they would be , the Hyundai Sonata hybrid has a 200 watt solar panel on top and it gets 3 to 4 miles extra range a day, the vehicles on this list have a larger roof areas so I think they would get another 6 to 8 miles a day extra in a permanent free charge.
How about GLC300?
My favorite PHEV car is Alfa Romeo Tonale
I get at least 75-85 km with my Rav4 PHEV👌
Is the Ford Escape also like the Hyundai and Kia in that when in EV mode and HVAC is on it will run the engine, as someone else commented on below?
i own one and no the engine does not turn on for climate control for either AC or heat when in EV mode only.
Thank you Andrew! I appreciate the insight.
Thank you Andrew! I appreciate the insight.
So none are much better than the original Volt.
Where are BMW X5e or Mercedes GLE350e or EclassPHEV or JLR Range Rover Sport EV or Porsche Cayenne PHEV ? They all have better EV range then any car in the video, better quality and better looking.
I try to focus on options that are more attainable for average consumers. These are all far too expensive for most buyers.