A DAY IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC ABOARD USS ORISKANY CV-34 U.S. NAVY FILM 81104

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  • @robertbrink2240
    @robertbrink2240 2 года назад +11

    Working on the flight deck during flight ops during the Vietnam War was total professionalism! These shipmates of mine did there job! I'm proud to have served with everyone aboard the Oriskany.

  • @wkat950
    @wkat950 3 года назад +11

    I have sisters who back then were as old as the sailors in the film. Because of this I have a special appreciation for these guys- really, all Nam vets. Thanks for your service! Any of you who were in this film feel free to chime in.

    • @davidfrehlini968
      @davidfrehlini968 3 года назад +3

      wkat950. USMC 64 -- 68. Vietnam 65 to 66. Marine Detachment USS Saratoga 66 to 68. Some of my most beautiful and cherished memories. Thank you for your comment and God Bless.

    • @wspad2136
      @wspad2136 Год назад +4

      V2 Division Catapults. I served on the Oriskany from 01/71-07/74.
      At time stamp 03:11, I’m the shirtless one on the right side of the picture.
      The guy standing straight up and looking down at the tension gauge is one of my best friends. I married his sister 3 years later. Still together to this day.

    • @Mthammere2010
      @Mthammere2010 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@wspad2136God Must have blessed you two indeed! Marrying best friend's sister? Don't hear about that today...

  • @larrywiggin3489
    @larrywiggin3489 Год назад +3

    Served 2 deployments on the Big O, 1962,1963, and 1963, 1964, with VAH-4, Det Golf, very clean ship, great chow, well run operation, enjoyed my time on her, our 3 A-3Ds were a hand full for the deck crews, large aircraft for an Essex class carrier!

  • @troywarner9546
    @troywarner9546 3 года назад +18

    my father served on this ship from 66' to 68' in Vietnam. unfortunately him and a lot of his shipmates died young from cancer. rest easy dad

    • @1Aligning-with-Spirit
      @1Aligning-with-Spirit Год назад +1

      So did my father he was the photographer

    • @davidthompson362
      @davidthompson362 Год назад +1

      Sorry man, a lot of us have suffered I'll affects from the ships we served on 😢

  • @johnmarlin4661
    @johnmarlin4661 3 года назад +9

    I flew as an NFO with VAW-13 onboard the O boat the end of 1967 . One of 7 carriers I was assigned to during my 2 tours of Yankee Station. Fat Spads Forever !!!

    • @johnserrato6417
      @johnserrato6417 2 года назад +1

      John Serrato, I served aboard the “ O “ boat from 1965 to 1967 as a storekeeper in supply . I was 19 at time with a great group of shipmates . We all watched each other’s backs whenever needed. The “O” boat earned the nickname Zippo

  • @richardderosset6960
    @richardderosset6960 3 года назад +12

    She is now a popular museum ship visited by many who swim through passageway's !

    • @johnwilliamsscuba6487
      @johnwilliamsscuba6487 3 года назад +1

      She is a bit deep

    • @richardderosset6960
      @richardderosset6960 3 года назад +3

      @@johnwilliamsscuba6487 Yes ! But she is rightsideup on an even keel ! And nobody has to worry about her sinking !

    • @lokibrux
      @lokibrux 11 месяцев назад

      @@johnwilliamsscuba6487 Yeah, she's 220 feet down. Not in bad nic by all accounts. I've done 2 dives around the superstructure. Not made it inside yet.

  • @ПервомайскаяМТСмашинно-трактор

    Respect from Russia, i love ships Essex/Oriskany type. Russia and the United States are great powers, let our formidable weapons never be used against each other!

    • @allgood6760
      @allgood6760 3 года назад +2

      👍 from 🇳🇿

    • @stephenvince9994
      @stephenvince9994 3 года назад +6

      Respect to you too buddy, hope we remain friends whatever our differences may be.

    • @jamesbugbee6812
      @jamesbugbee6812 3 года назад

      It would be pure blasphemy; in the absence of peace, there are so many other outfits to 'train' with. 🌐 = 1
      Could any model outfit crank out a kit of the Admiral Drozd AS Cruiser? She was Lovecraft-scary w/ pyramid masts & giant missile tubes elevating forward. And a Helo.

    • @Cash_McCoy
      @Cash_McCoy 3 года назад +6

      Amen brother! We can argue over drinks about which of us has better airplanes or ships, but let us pray we NEVER have to find out for sure!

    • @ПервомайскаяМТСмашинно-трактор
      @ПервомайскаяМТСмашинно-трактор 3 года назад +3

      @@Cash_McCoy that's for sure!

  • @jamesgoff6052
    @jamesgoff6052 Год назад +6

    Merry Christmas 🎅 Ship mates I am 80 yrs old now.

  • @wtburns01
    @wtburns01 Год назад +2

    My dad served aboard Oriskany during the Korean War as an Air Traffic Controller. He got out of the Navy in 1957 and immediately went to work with the CAA, precursor to the FAA, as an ATC for 30+ years, retiring in 1985. He took my son to see the sinking off the Pensacola coast.

    • @Klassen_brUno
      @Klassen_brUno 6 месяцев назад

      He play with William Holden the bridge of toko ri!😊

  • @davidchristensen6908
    @davidchristensen6908 6 лет назад +6

    In December 25 1972 I having Christmas dinner on board my brother ship the 33 Fox. I asked the cook 2 times “ I can really have 2 stakes and more if I want another one?” I was on happy 15 year old young man. Forget the turkey dinner I want beef. We toured the ship and had dinner and it was an impressive day. My hats off to all you that served at this time. It was very difficult time to serve. The frictions between military and the public.

    • @kct9967
      @kct9967 3 года назад +2

      One one fed their men better than the US Navy.

  • @timmotel5804
    @timmotel5804 2 года назад +2

    Thank You. Very good documentary. It's difficult enough for these crew men, and now crew women to do their jobs under normal operations. During a time of war, far more so. When pilots and crew don't return... I'm a Vietnam Air Force Vet. Thank you all for your service to our country, to us and especially to each other.

    • @PeriscopeFilm
      @PeriscopeFilm  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for your comment and for your service to our great nation.

  • @joelahr178
    @joelahr178 8 месяцев назад +2

    I did a Yankee Station cruise in '70 on the "Mighty O". I was a Communications Tech Control watch supervisor with "12 on/12 off" watch rotation. Good ship, good crew proud to have been aboard that year. I had a 23 year career and retired as RMCS with b-t-b tours as an advisor in 'Nam before I came to Oriskany. Not an easy cruise but rewarding as all those flight ops were aimed at the enemy. ⚓

    • @PeriscopeFilm
      @PeriscopeFilm  8 месяцев назад

      Very cool! Thanks for your service to our great nation

  • @ericlietsch994
    @ericlietsch994 Год назад +1

    My dad served on three different aircraft carriers, including this carrier. He joined the Navy in 1965 through 1969 when he was just 17 years old. He did two tours, including volunteering to work on F-8 Crusaders at Cam Ranh Bay twice.. Not only that, but he reenlisted back in the Navy in 1980 as an AX technician and finished out his career as Command Career Counselor out of NAS Jax. My dad just turned 76 last week. He really enjoyed hearing from the another sailors who served with him.

  • @anitaisaia8456
    @anitaisaia8456 5 лет назад +30

    There was a time when sailors aboard the Oriskany weren't allowed to have beards and moustaches had to be trimmed neatly. My husband was a plank owner and rounded Cape Horn the first time when she joined the Seventh Fleet in the Pacific preparatory to fight in Korea. He grew a beard and handlebar moustache, but was told to shave his beard. I imagine all that passed in the '60's when they were fighting the Vietnam War. For your information gentlemen the Oriskany flew more sorties in Vietnam than any other carrier out there and any man who served aboard her can be justly proud of her performance. I imagine there wasn't time to shave. She lies at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico as the largest artificial reef in the world, still performing well.

    • @NotaVampyre111
      @NotaVampyre111 3 года назад +2

      In the 70's the CNO relaxed the grooming standards of the Navy. Beards were permitted but they had grooming standards like how long they were, trimness and some other things. Since then, the Navy has gone back to the stricter guidelines of no beards and neatly trimmed mustaches.
      I had a beard when I was in the Navy. I had some fun at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. I was on leave and wanted my pay so I went there to get paid. I was the only bearded enlisted man on that base and apparently the first one they had ever seen.

    • @jamesgoff6052
      @jamesgoff6052 Год назад

      G divison 10 1960 to 10 10 1964.

    • @jamesgoff6052
      @jamesgoff6052 Год назад

      Merry 🎄

    • @jamesgoff6052
      @jamesgoff6052 Год назад

      I liked the crusader ,the a3 Sky Halk got a ride in one at Subic Bay and the Cod I got to ride in often. and the a3d jets.Those old prop jobs were great too. I remember John Mc Cains farther was a pilot and Admeral. You all have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

    • @marlenevan4661
      @marlenevan4661 Год назад

      ​@Vampyre111 ADM. Elmo Zumwalt was the CNO at the time, and his reforms were called Z-Grams. My husband was still in high school in 1972, but would become a sailor a few years later. He grew a nice thick beard, which is much thinner and a lot whiter.

  • @donnaneumann56
    @donnaneumann56 4 года назад +8

    My oldest brother served on the Big O in the Navy and lost many of buddies during the Vietnam War.

  • @stephenschneider5644
    @stephenschneider5644 4 года назад +7

    My dad was on this ship i believe between 72 to 74. So cool to see it operating!

  • @rp9035
    @rp9035 Год назад +3

    Back then I couldn't wait to get out. Now I wish I could go back and do it again.

  • @rogerbloxham5381
    @rogerbloxham5381 2 года назад +3

    Served on board in 1966, with CAG 16 in VF-162. Was a PR2, it was a hard working cruise until we had the fire on October 26, 1966

    • @rapman5363
      @rapman5363 2 года назад +1

      I was 16 days old. Thank you for your service 🇺🇸

    • @rogerbloxham5381
      @rogerbloxham5381 2 года назад +2

      @@rapman5363 My oldest daughter Laura was 10 months old on that day, now she’s a grandmother of five. Lol

    • @michaelstacy8868
      @michaelstacy8868 7 месяцев назад

      My dad was in V2 division in 66! Catapult crew. He did 3 tours on the mighty O!

  • @sonora108
    @sonora108 3 года назад +7

    I made three cruises onboard Oriskany or as we called it the O-Boat for Oakland's own. 1971 through 1974 with VA -153 the Blue Tail Flies. Look at the size of that flight deck compared to today's Super Carriers! Notice the flight deck uniforms or the lack of it, no float coats sometimes no shirts. Try that in today's Navy and the Air Boss would have your ass.

    • @invoxicated
      @invoxicated 3 года назад +4

      I was there with ya at the same time with VA-155 Silver Foxes 1971-1974. Can't believe its been 50 years. U are right the uniforms have changed. Worked on the flight deck with no shirt on many a days while re arming after cyclic ops and Alpha strikes. 72 was a hell of a cruise. Smashed into the USS Nitro, lost 2 screws. Went to Yokosuka Japan for repairs. And yea we were a small shit box carrier compared to the new super carriers. I live 2 hours west of Oriskany NY. I have Parkinsons and heart disease from exposer to Agent Orange. Getting Compensation from the VA with a 90% disability rating. Its a horrible disease. I wonder how many other sailors that were effected during that time from the dioxin that was in the water off shore and also brought back on the aircraft.

    • @seadogpowers
      @seadogpowers 3 года назад

      i was on the O-boat at the same time AND Lemoore NAS. Plane capt. w/ VA215 Barnowls 72-74. Lots of memories looking back from nearly 50 years ago. I am amazed at the new 'super-carriers' as well. What an experience!

    • @52smoker
      @52smoker 2 года назад +1

      For all You "Airdales" I'm a BT Snipe that made the steam for all of us on the cruises from 6-71 to 2-75

    • @rogerbloxham5381
      @rogerbloxham5381 2 года назад

      @@52smoker Think you smoker for all the hot air and the steam, we could Not have done what we did without it! I was on the 1966 cruise

  • @bwayne40004
    @bwayne40004 6 лет назад +17

    Hair, sideburns and beards. A vivid example of one of Admiral Zumwalt's "Z-grams".

  • @raybin6873
    @raybin6873 3 года назад +3

    Wished I had joined the Navy....I could at least then understand some of the jargon the vets say in these comments. Go Navy!
    🇺🇸👍

  • @adventuressurvivalinthailand
    @adventuressurvivalinthailand 3 года назад +6

    I'm amazed this is after the Forrestal fire. A lot of stuff you see here was criticised in the official Navy film of that event: no shirts or gear on deck, manhandling bombs onto the aircraft (I did note however the announcement for everyone to get into proper gear when the air ops started)

  • @akroguy
    @akroguy 3 года назад +5

    Such an alive ship, teaming with young men toiling daily to accomplish the mission, the air wing, the ship itself...now either scrapped or in a boneyard somewhere. The ghosts of Forney, Gammage and Brubaker still haunt her, I like to think.

    • @timothyr.cyphers6939
      @timothyr.cyphers6939 2 года назад +2

      2006- sunk to make artificial reef... Gulf o Mexico, off Florida.
      My brother was on board end 1960s- early 1970s.He retired from U.S.Navy shortly after.

  • @calbob750
    @calbob750 2 года назад +3

    Thought I’d see more medical staff represented aboard ship. One quick closeup of a centrifuge in action.

  • @blueseanomad7435
    @blueseanomad7435 6 лет назад +8

    This is one groovy Navy.

  • @FGStout721
    @FGStout721 Год назад

    Yep. That's my boat too. From 73-74 in the VAQ squadron. VAQ 130 D.3. A-3s.

  • @marcbonneau7009
    @marcbonneau7009 3 месяца назад

    I was flight deck crew aboard the French aircraft carrier Clemenceau in 1995-96 and I noticed a different in launching the US Crusader and the French one (F8-E FN witch was a modified F8-J). The US Navy Crusader were placed in the catapult and launch with afterburner on until the old back brake off. On the French carrier, we launch the Crusader with dry power and the pilot throned the afterburner just after take off. Two different launch choose, interesting.

  • @14goldmedals
    @14goldmedals 2 года назад +3

    I heard a tale about Viper flying with Maverick's dad on the Oriskany. Turns out his dad did it right...

  • @spankyharland9845
    @spankyharland9845 2 года назад +3

    sideburns where the hot craze on that ship....you can thank Admiral Elmo Zumwalt for relaxing hair regulations....by the mid 70's the Navy looked like hippie ships.....part of the Z-Gram rules of easing up on Naval regs & rules to keep recruitment up and allowing more sailors to remain in service.

  • @Tom-jk3hy
    @Tom-jk3hy 2 года назад

    Named after the one of the least know but one of the most important battles of the American Revolutionary War . I played on both sides in reinactments during the late 1970's .

  • @timp.9582
    @timp.9582 3 года назад +1

    my uncle, Mike Metcalf, was on the Oriskany, VF51

  • @ambassadorforjesuschrist5933
    @ambassadorforjesuschrist5933 Год назад +1

    No pork chops were allowed when I was in the Army 76 onward, they had to be just below the upper ear.

  • @davidmcleod7757
    @davidmcleod7757 3 года назад +4

    mighty O 74-76

  • @allgood6760
    @allgood6760 3 года назад +2

    Awesome vid!.. thanks 👍🇳🇿

    • @PeriscopeFilm
      @PeriscopeFilm  3 года назад +1

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  • @lawrencequave7361
    @lawrencequave7361 2 года назад +3

    This took place during a period of time when civilian Black guys were wearing afros as big as basketballs and White guys were wearing hairdos fuller, longer, and more bouffant than what their wives and girlfriends were wearing. (Think Donny Osmond.) The Navy finally caved in to allow its personnel to wear 'head hair' like you see here. The Marine Corps never did. The only fashion I remember the Marine Corps ever conceding to was narrow ties. That only lasted a couple of years, then it was back to the regular size ties again--but nothing as wide as what my dad wore during the WWII era. (I wish I had kept his ties ... especially the mint green one with the hula girl. It (she) was cute.) It was not trashy. I'd wear it to church.

  • @greenthousands
    @greenthousands 3 года назад +1

    Geez, the US Navy was cool with slovenly appearances. And the producers of this film really wanted you to see the cards being printed.

  • @72polara
    @72polara 6 лет назад +5

    I remember seeing her rusting away at Mare Island. Sad fate for any ship.

    • @colonelkurtz2269
      @colonelkurtz2269 Год назад

      Vets are treated with as much care. Nothing shocking.

  • @jamesbugbee6812
    @jamesbugbee6812 3 года назад +2

    'Hey hippie; get a haircut!'

  • @davidefland1985
    @davidefland1985 Год назад

    I was 15 then but went in the Navy in 1978 age 21. The beards and long hair was still around into early 80’s. Then they started the mandatory PT test and that remained till l retired. Believe it or not the beard has come back recently. That’s been awhile.

  • @9Apilot
    @9Apilot 6 месяцев назад

    The air boss always sounds the same to this day. Perhaps the air boss on the oriskany just had his voice recorded and has been the default voice for every flight deck ever since.

  • @SueBobChicVid
    @SueBobChicVid 6 лет назад +6

    1972. If you are like me you were wondering. Post mark at 10:28.

    • @lesthackston5502
      @lesthackston5502 5 лет назад +4

      Not too sure when this was taken. Oriskany wasn't deployed to Vietnam in Feb 72. We just got back from there in Nov 71 and it redeployed in June of 72. Also at 5:11:13 it shows the skipper, Captain Haak speaking. He left the ship in March of 72 prior to the 72 deployment. I think it is the 71 cruise.

    • @TheTuebor
      @TheTuebor 4 года назад +4

      @@lesthackston5502 And the sailor broadcasting the news ruclips.net/video/CuznRX9Pa9k/видео.html of Nixon's support for seating China at the UN was in Sept '71. Probably a compilation of footage from the voyage edited together.

    • @ronthomas3546
      @ronthomas3546 3 года назад +1

      I was on this cruise! It was 1971. The post office clip was edited in. We were at Hunters Point in Febr. of 72. We had returned from WESPAC in Dec. of 71.

    • @baker9020
      @baker9020 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheTuebor yes that sailor is Phelps Stokes Hawkins III. I was on that cruise a YN3 in admin.

  • @patrickbyrne9282
    @patrickbyrne9282 6 лет назад +3

    Ya' forgot to mention the bowling alley below decks.

    • @akroguy
      @akroguy 3 года назад

      Bowling on a pitching, rolling ship? That adds another variable to the equation for sure. "Hah! Gutter ball." "Rough seas, mate."

    • @cdougcole
      @cdougcole Год назад

      Bowling Alley? On the Mighty "O"? Bullshit! I was aboard 1960-62

    • @patrickbyrne9282
      @patrickbyrne9282 Год назад

      All carriers have bowling alleys. If you weren't in the loop, I'm sorry for mentioning it;(

  • @luciusvorenus9445
    @luciusvorenus9445 3 года назад +3

    Lots of Crusaders and Corsairs IIs! The Big O carried both types of Corsairs, propeller driven and powered.
    This was filmed just a couple years before her last cruise.
    Now she rests underwater off the coast of Naval Aviation.

    • @rogerbloxham5381
      @rogerbloxham5381 2 года назад +1

      If any of those NAVY student pilots land about 21 miles short of runaway one in Pensacola, they can still settle down on her flight deck.

  • @danbanks7930
    @danbanks7930 6 месяцев назад

    My father was on this ship as well he worked in the Boiler Room he had patches that came from the ship they were little Red Devils and it said Steamin Demons you made me a little jacket when I was about four that I wore it had some of his patches on it

  • @rogerdemaine5712
    @rogerdemaine5712 4 года назад +3

    Y'all forgot the Village People.

  • @johnwachter6369
    @johnwachter6369 Год назад +1

    heave up and trice out ??

    • @jimwjohnq.public
      @jimwjohnq.public 9 месяцев назад

      Must have been a new guy on watch. Only thing I didn't hear was 'sweepers sweepers man your brooms, give the ship a clean sweep down fore and aft. Now sweepers.'

  • @aaaht3810
    @aaaht3810 Год назад

    Didn't know A-7 was used as a tanker aircraft.

  • @douglacy4687
    @douglacy4687 Год назад

    I serve aboard her in 73-74 ,AIMD IM2 Division, Airframes shop

  • @ericbuzard349
    @ericbuzard349 3 года назад +2

    2:14 look how they did my boy's hairline... damn son. they did him dirty.

  • @strategicconsensus
    @strategicconsensus 6 лет назад +6

    To think that they are all old men now.

    • @rapman5363
      @rapman5363 2 года назад +2

      If they are alive at all

  • @brianl0604
    @brianl0604 3 года назад

    "...heave UP and trice OUT"? LOL. Got that backwards, Boats...and on film for posterity.

  • @Bane_Diesel
    @Bane_Diesel 3 года назад +2

    What year was this?

    • @seadogpowers
      @seadogpowers 3 года назад +2

      1972 I saw on the Post office clip Feb 72

  • @Mingus8
    @Mingus8 3 года назад +1

    3:25 What is that balloon for?

    • @seashorelineone
      @seashorelineone 3 года назад +4

      Weather balloons launched prior to flight ops

  • @jamesroets800
    @jamesroets800 2 года назад +1

    CVW-16

  • @silesian99
    @silesian99 Год назад

    Discipline on the flight deck seen here is incredibly lax. Shocking, really.

  • @martindavis9930
    @martindavis9930 Год назад +1

    What's up with the sideburns and the Beatles haircuts ?

    • @jamesgoff6052
      @jamesgoff6052 Год назад

      Hi im Goff G divison from 10\10 1960 too 10/10 1964 I live at 38 Windsong Way Adolphus Ky 42120 if any of you all remember be ?

  • @michaelgrey7854
    @michaelgrey7854 Год назад

    Why this ship was not preserved is beyond me.

    • @alantoon5708
      @alantoon5708 Год назад

      Was in too poor of a condition...😢

  • @nielsdorhout058
    @nielsdorhout058 Год назад

    Oh yeah the good ol' days, when the man were made of steel and the planes out of wood 😂

  • @BigDaddy-yp4mi
    @BigDaddy-yp4mi 2 года назад +1

    VERY few spoken words. Mostly operational footage and 60's band music.

  • @jonnieinbangkok
    @jonnieinbangkok 3 года назад

    What a scruffy looking crew!

    • @jimwjohnq.public
      @jimwjohnq.public 9 месяцев назад +1

      We came alongside a Military Sealift Command (MSC) ship one time back in the mid '70's, and that civilian crew looked all kinds of ragged out. But they got the job done.

  • @jamesgoff6052
    @jamesgoff6052 Год назад

    I was in G Divison 10/10 1964 too 10/10/1964 Goff J S. I m at38 Windsong Way Adolphus Ky send me a letter. I just retires from 30 years of Cattle Ranching.

  • @brucewelty7684
    @brucewelty7684 4 года назад +1

    hmmmm no A6 or F4's

    • @robertcullison8782
      @robertcullison8782 4 года назад +2

      Those aircraft were too big for the big for that ship. She was a modified WW 2 Essex class aircraft carrier

    • @invoxicated
      @invoxicated 3 года назад +2

      A7s and F8s

  • @armadilllo
    @armadilllo 3 года назад +1

    Hoss at 2:13

  • @jaminova_1969
    @jaminova_1969 Год назад

    10:28 Postmark Feb 17th, 1972 .

  • @alantoon5708
    @alantoon5708 Год назад

    Obviously was ADM Zumwalt's Navy at the time. Long hair and sideburns, beards and goatees...
    Time period was...1971-72?

    • @dogsense3773
      @dogsense3773 Год назад

      Was in navy 73-77 and had goatee and sideburns!

  • @silesian99
    @silesian99 Год назад +1

    Quote: "A sailor wakes up and gets ready for call to revelry (01:04). " = Revelry! That's pretty hilarious (and rather stupid). It's not revelry, it's reveille.

    • @roobear5357
      @roobear5357 6 месяцев назад

      Yep, but “revelry” was what we did in Olongapo🎉

  • @recon209
    @recon209 5 лет назад +4

    Pretty slack ship, no shirts or head protection on the flightdeck.

  • @vominator
    @vominator 4 года назад +2

    Whats with the porn music

    • @KB4QAA
      @KB4QAA 2 года назад +1

      V: Get some historical musicology education.

  • @stevezenor2545
    @stevezenor2545 4 года назад +3

    What a Slovenly Bunch.

    • @ronthomas3546
      @ronthomas3546 3 года назад +6

      I'm a member of that Slovenly bunch as you call us What a crummy thing to say. You have no idea what we were like or what we went through! So STHU! Do us all a favor and delete your Asinine post