The Black Page #2 - Frank Zappa at Palladium New York
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2008
- Yes, a perfect rythm...
At Palladium, New York.
Musicians:
Ray White - guitar
Steve Vai - guitar
Tommy Mars - keyboards
Bobby Martin - Sax
Ed Mann - percussion
Scott Thunes - bass
Chad Wackerman - drums
It's just a cutted lo/fi audio/video resolution, so feel free to buy the original (hehe I hope they're not removing this video, as they did to many others... I just ask them why???).
You can find a lot more on "The Dub Room Special" 
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The Black Page, Part 2, The Easy Teen-age New York Version.
love the teenage rockin combo. anyway the wind blows with them is my favorite zappa live album
Man...lol...I would definitely feel the immense pressure if I had to perform this in a live setting...they are all masterful musicians. My hat's off to 'em!
i think it would be worse auditioning, where you'd feel like there's no way in hell you're gonna be able to get into the band.
Not even druggies I think!
Michael Steven yeah no way they could do anything while doing drugs, they would be retarded looking and sounding trying pulling it off lol
@@omarcapaso7156 This is Zappa. If you did drugs and had to perform you were fired. He didn't care what you did as long as it didn't interfere with his music
@@badplay156 yeah I know
I have been drumming for over 54 years, and I cried tears watching this. Damn, I miss Frank.
Absolutely same here . And the beauty of real music and musicians. Zappa was and all ways will be an inspiration. ❤.
I WAS THERE! It was the most amazing experience of my life. I remember it quite clearly. Frank talked about a recent Linda Ronstadt concert (somehow he knew that) and he said some one had requested Whipping Post for to do. He said we have a version you might like. Holy God, what's his name on the sax was orgasmic.
The guy on sax is Bobby Martin, who also played piano in this band. During a break between songs at a concert in Helsinki, a fan yelled out "Whipping Post." Frank turned and asked the band if they knew it, told the guy that they didn't, and played the song "Montana" but with many references to an actual whipping post. As time went by, he would ask potential members of the band if they knew "Whipping Post." Bobby Martin was the first one that said "Yes." The Bobby Martin lineup always played a fairly conventional version of it live.
If that show was on Halloween night in 1978 or 79, I was there as well. Terry Bozzio was a very young man back then, but weren't we all. I did see Zappa perform Whipping Post with a blue haired Steve Vai, but I don't remember if it was the Halloween show. Great memories! Thanks FZ.
the reggae feel is amazing for this song
Beatles: Too complex to play live.
Zappa: Hold my beer. 🍺
Zappa didn't drink anything but coffee and he smoked lots of cigarettes.
@@Paolo8772 ~ I don't think he drank cigarettes.
different time and technology. your comment is useless
@@morbidmanmusic According to We're Only In It For The Money, Zappa did not think very highly of the Beatles. :)
0:45 Steve Vai is there. 🙌
I love how the reggae is just chilling in the back
@richedie If you can't find a hook in this, it's your own fault. Plenty of other people, including myself and some of my friends, all can. I hum this song all the time. Note for note. It's incredibly catchy.
This is a really cool version of this song, with the back beat going on. Thanks for sharing.
@MrSimontheawesome I couldn't agree with you more, his facial expression is classic! I wish I knew what Frank was hearing because what he heard most people still have yet to hear.
i haven't heard this in 20 years and it is sooooo good!
@DarthKazi
LOL!!!
Great tune. Great lineup, too.
Tommy Mars was one of my faves. Remember seeing him in the lineup that had Bozzio and Hearns ('78? '79? little bit of a blur ;).
They went into this fusion thang that blew my head clean off... while Frank sat on a stool, sipped some coffee out of a thermos, smoked a cig, all while they were in complex meters, just absolutely killer grooves.
Frank casually finishes his 'break', gets up, dons the guitar again, & just RIPS into a mad solo...
Sheer genius! Thanks for the upload.
Zappa and Jethro Tull. were ALWAYS my favorite bands to see live back in the days. 1976 to 1990, well. Jethro Tull to 2016- I love King Crimson. and. Other PROG. bands. But Tull and Zappa. man oh man. They Ruled the day !!! But I still love my three chord. Rock n Roll music the best. !!!!! God Bless Chuck Berry. !!!!
best song ever. i have so much fun listening
I saw this tour!!!!! It's the You Are What You Is tour!!
Can you imagine kids today listening to this kind of music? This period will probably never happen again anywhere in the universe! Thank you, Frank, for challenging the world with your artistic vision..
There ARE kids listening to this now (check out "Zappa reaction videos") and there are no "nevers" in human existence. Geniuses pop up on their own without anyone's permission.
Class 2021 here. We love this music. There’s kids my age to listen to Zappa, and Eric gales, Van Halen, Jeff beck. Music isn’t dead. Pinky promise
Me, for example :)
Kids then didn't listen to this, quit pretending they did.
They listen to Gizz
That is Chad Wackerman
Masterpiece
It goes in one ear and out the other for richedie, because there is nothing in there to stop ut in its way through. When you hear this the first time, many may not like it. The first time I heard I shit myself, I had never heard anything so difficult, so precise, so amazing. I have heard at least 200 versions or more of this from concerts, and will go to my grave ever thankful that 1. it was written, 2. the performers commanded their best to play it. Easy, teenage, NY version my ass.
GREAT EDIT
awesome! Wackerman is so amazing
Grupo de genios !!!
I have always admired the way in which Frank conducts himself :) - AND he can dance like a penguin when required...
Or like a dancing fool
Like a penguin in bondage BOI
Sick stuff
Watching Zappa conduct shows how much a musical genius he was.
this is a great version. Good drumming, only the best of the best musicians
Great post!
YEAH!!! I lov ethis band all his bands are badass.
I was at this concert!!
To me the best solo of Zappa is in "Son of Orange County" & "Trouble Every Day".
The best solo I´ve ever heard.
Just miraculous ⚡️☄️💥💥💥
Ya know what really drives me nuts? They apparently filmed both of the Halloween 81 shows. The late show was the one MTV famously broadcast live (along with what Nina Blackwood rates as the worst interview she ever had to do) during their first few months of existence.
There's now a DVD out called The Torture Never Stops, which has a compilation of both shows, and various bits and pieces are on The Dub Room Special. I wish they had just released both shows in their entirety.
They since have.
@@illegitimatefilm could you at least give us a title so we know what to look for?
@@Kohntarkosz Halloween '81
I miss my illegitimate father.
Who was your mom? Groupie # 253?
Or is it the second black chick frank ever fucked, who is actually the true namesake of this song, and thats why you’re commenting this here.
Tell me some Z a P P a t Ri V i A joey
Drummer crushing it.
Alguém cortou o solo ,que é muito massa ! não acho mais a versão completa no youtube.Vale a pena ouvir a versão original sem cortes
Franck Zappa,Terry Bozzio,Chad Wackerman,Christian Vander, Jannick Top, Klauss Blasquiz !! Ce sont les Miles Davis Français, la grande classe, quoi!!
Dans 30 ans, tout le monde écoutera cette musique et parlera Kobaien.
Il sera alors temps, pour eux d'être âgés et moi aussi, vers 2040!
Tans pis, cest la vie, le temps qui passe, non ?
Bravo à eux et Merci
A vie, à mort et après.
Christophe Mouz
Zappa did not think of them as Solos but rather as Air Sculptures which seems an adequate way to qualify them.... I love Zappa's solos, especially Drowning Witch and Black Napkins
Classic zappa
This is all in 4/4...
Common for Zappa. (Manx Needs Women, Bebop Tango, Mo's Vacation (also 3/4 near the end), Pedro's Dowry (also has its 3/4 bits), Sinister Footwear (all 3/4))
Approximate is another difficult one that's all in one time signature.
There are Quintoles Septoles and eleventoles in there😁😁😁
@Tomé best comment ever ;-)
you can do compund rhythms to make 4/4 sound disjointed
When all the best people in marching band make a rock band.
i love this version. it almost sounds like a regae version.
@sapakiara
enfin un émerveillement fédérateur! merci sincèrement, Sapakiara.
à chacun ses versions, ses likes, ses dislikes, ses sentiments d'impuissances devant les onzolets de la mort, ses suspicions de math music, ses inquiétudes sur la triple croche manquante qui défigure l'oeuvre, sur "que reste-t-il aux jheun'z", sur "c'était mieux avant" sur "Ed Mann sucks" (better suck me). l'organe nasal du Maître restera le pur défi, le schnorkel propulsé dans l'anus du temps; Zyva, le Zappa!
Every Halloween we saw Frank at the Palladium..
Steve Vai sempre fazendo suas caretas xD Isso é sempre sinal de grande talento musical.
@richedie it's definitely not rambling, its meticulously crafted and rehearsed, but i feel the same, theres just so much going on it just washes over me
Hell no. I could blame the understatement on the fact that my comment is pretty old at this point, but I think I'll just man up and say I can appreciate the melody a lot more than I can the rhythm. I'm not a percussionist or even a rhythm buff so when I first heard this that was probably what baffled me. After knowing the piece for over a year now, I gotta say it's one of the best melodies I've heard, let alone one of Zappa's best.
@pazzensutra:
Actually, I think there's is many insanely brilliant musicians out there today, but they rarely get to showcase their brilliance through tunes as complex as this.
What's even more insane is that they're doing it reggae.
Well thats 1 of about 25 styles zappa did.What's your love,heavymetal?he did it,jazz? that to,rock and roll,that also.Let me know what style of music you like and I'll send something over thats not too difficult for you to groove to.
people probably thought back in the day,Frank was just swinging his arms as part of the show,you can see him thinking,feeling and antisapating the composition as its played,only die hards understand the real deal,it would be nice to see frank play w dweezil
Zappa.....keren bangets...
Merveilleux : fantastique : génial : philarmonique : gigantesque : pantagruélique : éléphantesque
They have the full recording on iTunes now!
and for those not in the know..yes, Frank was conducting for real and every note mattered :)
@DarthKazi F.Z. was pure genius! Btw I'm going to listen to Wayne Shorter live tomorrow!
@modestvermin995 everythingly, this is incredible.
Don't know about you mate, but when I saw ZplaysZ it was fantastic, including the black page !
This song is an absolute a-tonal mindfuck
I get this guy; I really do
Oh goody
Rod, Dweezil still does it LIVE!
reminds me of Mario 64
@gosiman yes!
why is it that liking this worldwide phenomenon of a musician and composer feels like a strange, secretive fan club? ¿¿
good song to listen to, but i fear learning this song would take a year of rehearsal to memorize it.
I was at this show
Then you should try these 3 ones :
The Evil Prince ( YCDTOSA Vol 4 )
Drowning Witch ( YCDTOSA Vol 3 )
Black Napkins ( YCDTOSA Vol 6 )
These are my favourites because they truly are "air sculptures" as Zappa defined them.
@Zappafan1980 Actually, Ed began working with Frank as early as 1976! :)
way cool
@nickhirst Yeah this particular performance was 1981.
I was there...
FZ was like unto a god.
Gods
Hard Rock men, that's my stuff, I love that music
The hardest working band in show business...
Try 'Trouble every day' & 'Dumb all over' two of my favourites!
Dodecaphonic, which means twelve tone, is a style of atonal music that was originally developed by Schonberg. In it, a tone row is used which must usually be used in the same order each time. Frank Zappa's music is not dodecaphonic in that sense. It isn't atonal - just complicated...
@pooolet The solo is the Black Page 1. This is #2.
discipline
hi there. I don't know if u remove or not "Alien Orifice" (if not, I apologize for disturbing u). But if it is u, PLEASE REPOST IT! I love this piece and I like the performance from 1981.
If u can't repost it for some reason, please send me a link or something to record it (for home listening only). Thx. All the best
Reminds me of some Weather Report.
Why the hell this track there'snt at the dvd "A eveving with Frank Zappa..."? And why should they cut the solo?
That is literally EXACTLY WHAT I JUST THOUGHT! What the hell! Those bastards in the dvd department! Unreal!
I came looking for the solo. Denied.
Totally bites with the reggea rhythm. Like mixing chili with strawberries.
77 to early 78 baby snakes tour.
almost? Zappa would goof with reggae-beat alternatives all the time. :-)
So much...
DAte is wrong. Bozzio was drummer in 76. THis is wackerman. I think it is from his last tour in 1988. IMO,
Yea, great! Can you put Franks solo back in?
Whoa, what the hell happenned to the guitar solo??? It's just been lopped off! This is possibly my favorite FZ solo of all time...it can be found on "As An Am" from the "Beat the Boots" collection.
Dude, where did you get this??? I would desperately like to know how to obtain a copy of this!!!
American music wizards
@DarthKazi Yup but that's of a hell of an argument
is there a studio version of this song?
My guitar teacher gave me the music to this today. I promptly shit my pants
Did you learn how to play it?
@robzecc Yeah, this is true. I need to quit taking the bait from trolls. I like both groups a lot. I just happen to like Zappa a lot more.
I would humbly beg to differ. Zappa was obsessed with taking a bizarre, almost impossible passage, and putting it to a reggae beat, somehow making it even more impossible. I think it's fucking hilarious. That's just my two cents.
who hell took the solo out WTF!!!!!??!?!!?
I would argue that his system was an attempt to escape tonality. Yes?! Tone rows are set up in place of traditional (to that point) tonality. Don't get me wrong - I like Schonberg's music. I think there should be atonal music.
Another question comes to mind - is a composer the person most able to assess her/his own music?
You're right, I should read his books. I'll go and do it right after I leave RUclips. gotta go...
at. 1:04 this is sick !
BOZZIO!
Wackerman on this one. But close.