I had the chance to buy one of these for £3000 back in 1989 when i was a young fella of 19 yrs old. It was immaculate. Like an idiot i didn't because girls and beer were more important at the time. I only think about that decision about 5 times a day now, so, I'm getting over it slowly.
It would only matter, had you kept it for all these years up till now. Selling it a couple years later (if not sooner - speaking from experience on such cars at such an age) would make no difference in the present.
Back in the day, I owned a 1971 2002tii in Colorado Orange with black interior and 5 speed Getrag transmission. The most enjoyable vehicle I've ever owned in over 58 years bar none. Back then few knew what a BMW was. My dream back then was the most beautiful BMW 3,0 CS but my cash was limited.
@@keithvers569 I agree. Back in 1971 I had the only BMW for miles around. You would come across one once in a while. We would be an even dozen at a track meet. The majority being Porches and Alfas. Today, we don't even notice them. Just another car.
You hit the nail on the head, Jack. Most of us who have or pine for a car like this just want that feeling of simple connectedness that is lacking in new cars. Sometimes I think my old Fiat 128 that I thrashed back and forth to college was the best car I ever had.
I had a neighbor back in the late 80's that was slowly restoring one. I have liked them ever since. Small lower horsepower cars seem more fun to me. Nice Jack.
My father taught me the basics of car control in a 2002, round rear lights model. I was 10. It was in a damp field atop the Cheddar Gorge. Utterly miserable holiday weather, so sod it, 'Teach the lad to drive!' Better than sitting in the caravan or getting damp sightseeing. Once you've seen one gorge cave, you've exhausted all points of interest for a 10 year old. Of all his cars over the years, only the 2002 and his 2.8i MKII Granada were worthy of his reminiscing.
I used to race a 2002ti replica (200bhp on 50DCO carbs) back in the 90s. Was a great drive on track..especially since it only weighed in at 780Kgs with me in it! Gave the M3s a decent run...
I've always loved these! It goes back to 1971 when I was three years old. My parents took a vacation in Europe and planned to bring home one of the recently introduced Super Beetles, as they'd loved their '66 Beetle. But when they got to Germany they found the exchange rate to be significantly better than they'd expected and instead bought a little red BMW 1600. A year after they bought it, we moved to a small town in Alabama where we may have had the only BMW In town for a little while, certainly no more than a handful of them at most throughout most of the '70s and nobody knew what it was, as BMW had no corporate presence in the USA until 1975 and they were fairly rare cars, sold in small numbers through an importer until the US office was established and then it still took a while to gain a hold here. Many people today aren't aware that the smaller BMWs weren't luxury cars in those days. Ours had a black vinyl interiour and few features, although I do think that it had aircon, something I've not seen in any 2002 I can recall seeing in recent years. My mom got the car in the divorce in '76, as it was the best kid-hauler we had and also the newest car we had (Dad took the Sunbeam and the beastly old Plymouth). The BMW was still a very solid and reliable car when my mom traded it in 1978 for a VW Golf. In the late '80s I lived in Germany for a couple of years and saw many of these 02 Serie BMWs around and fell in true love. I've never owned one but if I ever get tired of my Lotus Elan +2 I can imagine getting one of these to fill the opening. Call me crazy, but I rather like the post-facelift tail lights, which I think keep the car relevant to the '70s and add a touch of sophistication. No objection to the previous round lights of course, I just don't dislike the newer lights as much as everybody else. Thanks Jack for doing this one, I watched it twice already!
That’s lovely - BMWs of the older era, before all of the silly tech are quite wonderful. The Michelotti inspired styling works so well, as does the simpler interior. Very, very nice!
In 1970 a friend of mine, a married man with child, had the Tii model and he just loved it. He could not believe that he owned one. I thought it was ugly, but I like the way it went down the road and handled, I was very impressed with the car.
I was a proud owner of a 1972 BMW 2000 Touring between 1984 and 2004, and this one had Servo assisted brakes as standard so the owner of the car in the video must have taken it away for some reason. My car had 4 pot front discs and 50/50 split rear seats and backrests with a boot cover included with front seats from the E21 3 series as they were a straight swap across to the 2000 series. The Touring was even better to drive as it was 15 cm shorter and to this date the best handling car I have ever owned and very fun in the snow. Thank you for the video.
I bought a tii turbo from Frank Sytner... The man himself! Wish I'd kept that one. Exactly the same color. Just needed too much work for me at the time. Turbo was vicious - great fun. Sold it for a song. Many still race them down at Castle Coombe... Not too far from you 😊
Love your enthusiasm overall but particularly in the driving portions of these videos. I know it takes a lot of work to create content and it’s not always fun. We experience these great gems through your observations and emotions. That’s of utmost importance.
A bunch of those rolled through my shop for rust repair. On the cusp of them being used cars to antique. Even owned one for a short while. Like anything, they would rust. Rear shock towers & floors, etc. Thanks for the video!
I've had a 2002 for 15 years & love it!! The servos can cause problems & are quite expensive. An easy swop is to fit bigger brakes & remove the servos.
My father had a 2002 but with a serious amount of mods to suspension, breaks, bodywork, wheels and more. It was a project that was halted and we took advantage. The work then continued with mods to head, pistons, and the addition of a five speed sprint gearbox. The icing on the cake though was when Mathwall Engineering in Surrey found a way to put a blower on it, and on to one other car that was raced, they became at the time the only two right hand drive 2002 Turbos in the world, maybe ever that made it. She was a true wolf in sheep's clothing. I've got a couple of photos if you'd like to see her.
Truly those old BMWs were light years ahead of others. I had a 1976 530i that was just a great car and was better than many cars built ten years later.
It raised a smile whchen it came around the corner in the opening sequence. It's not a car I've thought much about though I've always liked the style and simplicity. I do agree about touch-screens - wretched things are everywhere - oh for good old fashioned knobs, switches and buttons.
I restored 5 of these in the early 2000's, including a 2002tii with worthless a/c AND sunroof. It was my daily driver for four years. I paid $10k for it and added up the receipts when sold: $23,000 in restoration and repairs for a grand total of $33,000....a fun but fragile automobile, prone to rust if parked next to a glass of water, and things like the driveshaft falling out. It's come up on BAT twice since and recently resold for $40k. I replaced the tii with a 318ti M Sport which drives very similarly, but better quality, brakes, comfort and reliability
Drove one all over the UK and Europe. The car worked out absolutely perfectly in terms of fuel efficiency, turning radius, fun Factor, visibility, use of maintenance and the list goes on.
I suspect this car is a hotted-up 2002 - the Ti was discontinued in '71 and replaced by the Tii so were only ever available as a roundie. I've got a '75 Tii sat in my barn waiting for me to restore it - interestingly when it was specc'd new it had an electric sunroof, LSD and a 5-speed close-ratio 'box. Sadly, only the sunroof remained when I bought it 20years or so ago. It was my daily driver for a while and I always got excited if it had rained the night before as I could drive it sideways everywhere at sensible speeds! Wonderful cars.
Aloha Jack , I've been hoping you would get into a 2002 , I fell in love with these about 20 years ago in Los Angeles , before they were popular at 1 time I had 5 of them . I still have my track/daily 1971 here on Big Island Hawaii. Twin 48 Dellortos , hot cam , extractor exhaust , hot ignition & fully adjustable rear suspension & coil over front . Factory alloy wheel & Cibie Super Oscars , what an absolute joy to drive. Thanks for a great review of the 2002 , I knew you'd be a fan.
Actually, due to it's revised chassis and bigger front discs; the first proper M-car! Worm and roller it is. 5-speed ZF trannies for these were dogleg. Had an orange -72 2000 Tii Touring, almost no rust and the Kügelfischer (which I assembled from parts in boxes, no internet back then, 1992). Being a mechanic system you simply removed the Woodruff key and then there was infinite tuneability. Bought the car as a runner w/ carb for like £200, reinstalled the injection, drove it for half a year. What a blast! Ultimately was offered £900 for the Kügelfischer pump and £1100 for the car with a simple solex. A pleasurable way of tenfolding my investment. However today that car would've been more like £20000. What did you know back then... Miss it SO much 😢 Anorak facts: engine block on Tii M10 is different, has an extra oil drain pipe on it's left as well as some trick coolant routing. Crank pulley is double w/ separate belt for the injection pump. And of course no mechanical fuel pump on the block, rather an electric one back by the tank. Quite different from the standard 2002:s
That exhaust knocking on start up made me chuckle and that gearstick is wobbling all over the place. They're fantastic cars when original. This one's been mucked about with way too much.
BMW..., "sheer driving pleasure"..., RIGHT?! Not from "A" to "B". I drove much of them, 02 series, E21, Series3, Series5, E87 and now an i3, wich also has this "sheer driving pleasure" feeling. Thanks for sharing this one!
I had a friend that owned a 2002 and subsequently a 2002 tii. Excellent cars! Both had a double brake servo mechanism to make up for the long sideways throw of the right hand drive version.
The 2002 Tii pulls great for 130 bhp. The Turbo cars are slowish at low speed but they pull and pull and pull once the boost pressure is up. If you drive the Turbo, try to get the close ratio 5-speed.
I think my old 2002 is still my most-missed car even though every time you pulled out the keys meant there was some bizarre repair necessary somewhere.
Thanks Jack for another great video , I had 2002 with the rounded lights at the back which was supposedly the more desirable body , red , aromatic , but even for an automatic you could feel that it had more power than the average small car of the era , I bought if for $700 and sold it a few years later for $3000 . It was quite reliable as overseas friends who visited used to take it in the countryside on sightseeing trips. One issue was that even in Melbourne Australia it was a bit rusty , the usual places outside and big rust in the boot , that was 20 years ago and would have loved to have it still today but you can only have so much space in the driveway so it sat on the street , thanks again for another great insight 😊
I love the design language BMW had back then. Every line leaned forward, like Donald Duck's car when he really went for it. Cartoons do make an impact on culture. I always perceive this style as a hungry go getting racer. The leaning back smooth style, which is far more efficient, looks to me like someone who gets scared by a rollercoaster going down the slope. Silly stuff, but still. I like that concentrated, forward brow look that was so typically BMW then. It kind of went out the window from the E30 period forward.
Fantastic review. Thanks for this Jack. You are correct, it is a worm and roller. I own a 2002 and I’ve had 11 years of pleasure with mine. Never broken down. Taken my family on holiday twice with no issues. Interestingly, with the standard set up, it doesn’t feel jittery. Totally the opposite. It rides incredibly smoothly and wafts down the road. I want to do a bit of work on mine but it’s closer to standard if you ever wanted to drive it for a comparison. Gas shocks, Weber carb and the 5sp conversion. Aside from that it’s closer to standard spec.
I had a turbo in 1973 new . If you want to know about the turbo ask . I ran it for about 50 thousand km whilst living in Germany. Sorry correction it was a bit later around 76 must be the age 😁 traded in a 520 ( terrible car) it was the first one the dealership had . White. No problems with the turbo or exhaust manifold. Not particularly quick but good fun.
My Grandfather had a 2002 but I was too young to realize that. Afterwards he got the first 5-series. Still miss those.... ;) Greetings from the Netherlands
And Michelotti (Stag, GT6, Maserati 3500GT Vignale) is part credited with the design, as well as the BMW 1800Ti. The similarity between the 1800/2002 and the Triumph Dolomite/Sprint is not a coincidence, despite the latter being a 4 door.
I'm glad you mentioned the gear box, as in your first pull, it sounded like you went 1st to 3rd? Anyway, I absolutely love these. They are beautiful to look at. Great video
My first car was a 2002 Touring. Sold it because was planning to fall apart: rust. Years later it was at an oltimer exhibition. Totally rebuilt (). A few years later I parked behind it. The C syles were gone. End of life. The car still exists but has not been on the road for > 30 years (MOT). Waiting for restoration maybe.
A great review Jack. I've always loved the 02s and I still have the 2002 cabrio with round tail lights which I bought back in 1986. It still drives really well.
Nice...I had a 1502...you may laugh, it had the same 1600cc engine as the 1602S, just lesser tune......it was a nice drive....I went to it from a VW411Le, so it couldn't have been anything else.,
I grew up in a 2002 of exactly that colour (and with round rearlights!) in the 70s, after a 1802 (which I don't remember), followed by a 525i, 728i and 635CSi. Those are the cars I still love, as opposed to the ugly horrors BMW produces since about 20 years. Thx for the memories, Jack!
Beautiful model. What you want is a 2002 with an S14 engine conversion from an E30 M3 with associated chassis and brake reinforcements. I have driven such a car and it was absolutely brilliant. So incredibly alive and not least agile. It's not a car for motorways, but on narrow country roads it's unbeatable in terms of smiles per mile.
I love your enthusiasm, Jack. But I never had that about these shoebox beamers. The 3 litre CSi had much better elegance with lines that looked very familiar.
I had an E21 for a few years. Loved it to bits but then it just disintegrated from rust (probably no more than 12 years old!) I've always wanted a 2002 but the thought of another thirty years of rust since mine went to the breakers makes me think it is just too risky!
Was my first car! a 2002 tii...bought for 350 quid and was as rotten as an old Apple ...took me 12 months and a lot of relations help to get it back on the road. The Kugelfisher was a pain and took another few months and a genious technician friend of mine to set up.
I had a 2 liter n/a 1973 so that was with the round tail lights. Very fun car on crazy roller coaster roads in NZ. Handled well braked well. I thought at the time it was a a mkII Escort but hot rodded. The thing I found slightly annoying was people presumed it was a Fiat in the late 80s when I had it. I sold it for £1000 and it had a nice set of BBS quattro alloys on it! I loved the crank handle sun roof and crank handle windows! It would do one hundred miles an hour fairly readily. Koni gs shocks were superb.
Love these cars. I had a '73 normal US spec car but it it was in very bad shape. It always left me wanting to pick one up again some day. Such a quirky little car as well - one of few I have owned with bottom-hinged pedals. There's a few for sale near me - all right round the price ranges you spoke of.
Fine and enjoying review as usual :) Best BMW together with the 507 IMO. I hate the 3 series because they replaced the 02 series, not because they are not good.
I remember when I was a kid there was an old lady in the nieghbourhood that had a 1602 with the round taillights. It was light gray and in great condition. I believe she had it since new and she rarely used it.
Lovely cars the 2002's one of the best BMW's I think. This one has some modifications but all well done might upset some people though? The colour is great you couldn't miss it speeding past you when your stood on the side of the track or road. Great review Jack. 👍👍
I had every model from the 1600 to the TII, Touring as well, this was after my 1800 and 2000 Tilux. Turbo was too expensive to buy. After those I went to the 320 and 323, my father went from his 2800 and 3000 CS to the 323. I found the handling of the 02 better than the 3 series.
I think the 2002 may have morphed into a ZX in the last 5 seconds of the video! Great write up, I went to look at a 2002tii in 1990 on a wet Sunday afternoon, when a colleague was selling it, it was in a lock up near Alexander Palace and he gave me the keys to the car and garage. I sadly had to break the news to him on Monday morning that the car had been nicked, as the garage was bare, when I arrived!
Back in the day, it was possible to leave transportation appliance without losing too much minimalism & enter into Robust Chariot. THE LINES ARE JUST SOOOO CLASSIC ON THE 2002.
6:55 Yes! Thank you for that comment on modern society, although I'm sure you didn't intend it to be. Stuff should just do what it's supposed to. I really, really don't want a wifi app on my fridge. It needs to cool what's inside and it needs to do that for the next two decades at least. I don't want an app on my phone for it, and I don't want that fridge to be outdated because that app doesn't get updates anymore. I certainly don't want a touchscreen. I once bought a synth at my net monthly income. 90% of what it can do I never even touched. Now it's obsolete and won't fetch any price. I'm stuck with it, I might as well dump it. But you couldn't buy one without all those superfluous gadgets.
Great video! This '02 is something of a Frankenstein -- a square-tail body (probably a '74 if it's a real tii, but an earlier interior (from '72 or '73 most likely). Yes, the 2002's had worm and roller; the rack and pinion came with the E21, I believe. Also, I could be wrong, but I doubt the ti's ever came with a five speed. To do a 5-speed conversion you have to enlarge the transmission tunnel (unless it was an automatic).
Lovely cars. Haven't seen one on the road for 10 years or so, perhaps a little longer. It'll likely not bother you unduly Jack, but the turbos were LHD only.
Great little cars!!! I have a soft spot for the pre '74 round tail light cars but either way what a lovely thing!!! The little Beamer seems really well sorted and I'm jealous of whoever picks this up to play with!! These are about as much fun as you can have on four wheels, I wager that only perhaps the 1st gen Toyota MR2 and it's Supercharged variant are more fun. That feeling that you can chuck the car into some twisties without being petrified of landing it in a hedge or around a tree if you touch the loud pedal a bit too hard. Cheers from a snowy (already) Canada! - Dave
I had the chance to buy one of these for £3000 back in 1989 when i was a young fella of 19 yrs old. It was immaculate. Like an idiot i didn't because girls and beer were more important at the time. I only think about that decision about 5 times a day now, so, I'm getting over it slowly.
Girls and beer were of utmost importance back then🙂
Just be thankful you got to be a teen then........
It would only matter, had you kept it for all these years up till now. Selling it a couple years later (if not sooner - speaking from experience on such cars at such an age) would make no difference in the present.
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You and Harry's Garage have cancelled my TV subscription. Thank you for the passion.
What took you so long?
How about Ian Tyrell's Classic Workshop?
@@fartloudYT Absolutely - Harry and Iain posting videos on a Sunday is pure Nirvana.
Add SOUP classic motoring and you may as well chuck the TV away
I hardly watch television anymore, except for old movies. A select group of YT channels - Number27 among them, fill the bill for me.
Back in the day, I owned a 1971 2002tii in Colorado Orange with black interior and 5 speed Getrag transmission. The most enjoyable vehicle I've ever owned in over 58 years bar none. Back then few knew what a BMW was. My dream back then was the most beautiful BMW 3,0 CS but my cash was limited.
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BMW ..... lost their way over the years
They certainly did, the newer cars look like they’re snorting coke with the ridiculous large grill
@@keithvers569 I agree. Back in 1971 I had the only BMW for miles around. You would come across one once in a while. We would be an even dozen at a track meet. The majority being Porches and Alfas. Today, we don't even notice them. Just another car.
Number 27 has come a long way. Jack.
You're doing an amazing job with the channel buddy 👏
It was the lucky pyjamas that did it 😂
@69spook love that! 🤣
Thanks Fella!!
Buzz Aldrin called and said why you didn't mention my name!
I agree with you about the simplicity of the dash. With the modern touchscreens you are always taking your eyes off the road.
You hit the nail on the head, Jack. Most of us who have or pine for a car like this just want that feeling of simple connectedness that is lacking in new cars. Sometimes I think my old Fiat 128 that I thrashed back and forth to college was the best car I ever had.
.... and the Fiat's were just plain fun to drive ! Ah the memories !
I had a neighbor back in the late 80's that was slowly restoring one. I have liked them ever since. Small lower horsepower cars seem more fun to me. Nice Jack.
That is true. I have a Corvette, but actually prefer my Miata.
Driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow.
@@sailingspark9748 One of my sons bought an old Falcon. He said that it was more fun throwing it around and managing his speed. More fun than his BMW.
My father taught me the basics of car control in a 2002, round rear lights model.
I was 10. It was in a damp field atop the Cheddar Gorge. Utterly miserable holiday weather, so sod it, 'Teach the lad to drive!'
Better than sitting in the caravan or getting damp sightseeing. Once you've seen one gorge cave, you've exhausted all points of interest for a 10 year old.
Of all his cars over the years, only the 2002 and his 2.8i MKII Granada were worthy of his reminiscing.
I used to race a 2002ti replica (200bhp on 50DCO carbs) back in the 90s. Was a great drive on track..especially since it only weighed in at 780Kgs with me in it! Gave the M3s a decent run...
I've always loved these! It goes back to 1971 when I was three years old. My parents took a vacation in Europe and planned to bring home one of the recently introduced Super Beetles, as they'd loved their '66 Beetle. But when they got to Germany they found the exchange rate to be significantly better than they'd expected and instead bought a little red BMW 1600. A year after they bought it, we moved to a small town in Alabama where we may have had the only BMW In town for a little while, certainly no more than a handful of them at most throughout most of the '70s and nobody knew what it was, as BMW had no corporate presence in the USA until 1975 and they were fairly rare cars, sold in small numbers through an importer until the US office was established and then it still took a while to gain a hold here. Many people today aren't aware that the smaller BMWs weren't luxury cars in those days. Ours had a black vinyl interiour and few features, although I do think that it had aircon, something I've not seen in any 2002 I can recall seeing in recent years. My mom got the car in the divorce in '76, as it was the best kid-hauler we had and also the newest car we had (Dad took the Sunbeam and the beastly old Plymouth). The BMW was still a very solid and reliable car when my mom traded it in 1978 for a VW Golf. In the late '80s I lived in Germany for a couple of years and saw many of these 02 Serie BMWs around and fell in true love. I've never owned one but if I ever get tired of my Lotus Elan +2 I can imagine getting one of these to fill the opening. Call me crazy, but I rather like the post-facelift tail lights, which I think keep the car relevant to the '70s and add a touch of sophistication. No objection to the previous round lights of course, I just don't dislike the newer lights as much as everybody else.
Thanks Jack for doing this one, I watched it twice already!
what a machine. wow
sounds soo good, no modern motor can come close
these great classics really are da bom
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That’s lovely - BMWs of the older era, before all of the silly tech are quite wonderful. The Michelotti inspired styling works so well, as does the simpler interior. Very, very nice!
In 1970 a friend of mine, a married man with child, had the Tii model and he just loved it. He could not believe that he owned one. I thought it was ugly, but I like the way it went down the road and handled, I was very impressed with the car.
I was a proud owner of a 1972 BMW 2000 Touring between 1984 and 2004, and this one had Servo assisted brakes as standard so the owner of the car in the video must have taken it away for some reason.
My car had 4 pot front discs and 50/50 split rear seats and backrests with a boot cover included with front seats from the E21 3 series as they were a straight swap across to the 2000 series.
The Touring was even better to drive as it was 15 cm shorter and to this date the best handling car I have ever owned and very fun in the snow.
Thank you for the video.
I bought a tii turbo from Frank Sytner... The man himself! Wish I'd kept that one. Exactly the same color. Just needed too much work for me at the time. Turbo was vicious - great fun. Sold it for a song. Many still race them down at Castle Coombe... Not too far from you 😊
That era of BMW is definitely my personal favorite… I do sometimes look at getting a 2002, but the prices are bonkers… even for a project
Simplicity, style, quality and reliability. I'd daily something like this any day. Thank for the vid.
I had one of these in bright orange in the 70's and they were and still are a fantastic machine.. Mine had the round tail lights.
Always thought the round tail lights looked better; a friend had the later big taillight version and it was a very nice car for sure.
Love your enthusiasm overall but particularly in the driving portions of these videos. I know it takes a lot of work to create content and it’s not always fun. We experience these great gems through your observations and emotions. That’s of utmost importance.
A bunch of those rolled through my shop for rust repair.
On the cusp of them being used cars to antique.
Even owned one for a short while.
Like anything, they would rust. Rear shock towers & floors, etc. Thanks for the video!
I've had a 2002 for 15 years & love it!! The servos can cause problems & are quite expensive. An easy swop is to fit bigger brakes & remove the servos.
My father had a 2002 but with a serious amount of mods to suspension, breaks, bodywork, wheels and more. It was a project that was halted and we took advantage.
The work then continued with mods to head, pistons, and the addition of a five speed sprint gearbox.
The icing on the cake though was when Mathwall Engineering in Surrey found a way to put a blower on it, and on to one other car that was raced, they became at the time the only two right hand drive 2002 Turbos in the world, maybe ever that made it.
She was a true wolf in sheep's clothing.
I've got a couple of photos if you'd like to see her.
What a lovely little car compared to today’s cars. I never used to look at them when they were about but now I see their beauty
Shame BMW cant make a simpler car in the spirit of this style today...
Hands down, my #1 car owned. Ever. Still miss my 1974 2002.
Had a ‘73 tii, went really well, the back was a bit lively but loved it!
Truly those old BMWs were light years ahead of others. I had a 1976 530i that was just a great car and was better than many cars built ten years later.
It raised a smile whchen it came around the corner in the opening sequence. It's not a car I've thought much about though I've always liked the style and simplicity. I do agree about touch-screens - wretched things are everywhere - oh for good old fashioned knobs, switches and buttons.
I restored 5 of these in the early 2000's, including a 2002tii with worthless a/c AND sunroof. It was my daily driver for four years. I paid $10k for it and added up the receipts when sold: $23,000 in restoration and repairs for a grand total of $33,000....a fun but fragile automobile, prone to rust if parked next to a glass of water, and things like the driveshaft falling out. It's come up on BAT twice since and recently resold for $40k. I replaced the tii with a 318ti M Sport which drives very similarly, but better quality, brakes, comfort and reliability
Drove one all over the UK and Europe. The car worked out absolutely perfectly in terms of fuel efficiency, turning radius, fun Factor, visibility, use of maintenance and the list goes on.
I suspect this car is a hotted-up 2002 - the Ti was discontinued in '71 and replaced by the Tii so were only ever available as a roundie. I've got a '75 Tii sat in my barn waiting for me to restore it - interestingly when it was specc'd new it had an electric sunroof, LSD and a 5-speed close-ratio 'box. Sadly, only the sunroof remained when I bought it 20years or so ago. It was my daily driver for a while and I always got excited if it had rained the night before as I could drive it sideways everywhere at sensible speeds! Wonderful cars.
Aloha Jack , I've been hoping you would get into a 2002 , I fell in love with these about 20 years ago in Los Angeles , before they were popular at 1 time I had 5 of them . I still have my track/daily 1971 here on Big Island Hawaii. Twin 48 Dellortos , hot cam , extractor exhaust , hot ignition & fully adjustable rear suspension & coil over front . Factory alloy wheel & Cibie Super Oscars , what an absolute joy to drive. Thanks for a great review of the 2002 , I knew you'd be a fan.
always loved this generation of BMW
Actually, due to it's revised chassis and bigger front discs; the first proper M-car!
Worm and roller it is. 5-speed ZF trannies for these were dogleg. Had an orange -72 2000 Tii Touring, almost no rust and the Kügelfischer (which I assembled from parts in boxes, no internet back then, 1992). Being a mechanic system you simply removed the Woodruff key and then there was infinite tuneability. Bought the car as a runner w/ carb for like £200, reinstalled the injection, drove it for half a year. What a blast! Ultimately was offered £900 for the Kügelfischer pump and £1100 for the car with a simple solex. A pleasurable way of tenfolding my investment. However today that car would've been more like £20000. What did you know back then... Miss it SO much 😢 Anorak facts: engine block on Tii M10 is different, has an extra oil drain pipe on it's left as well as some trick coolant routing. Crank pulley is double w/ separate belt for the injection pump. And of course no mechanical fuel pump on the block, rather an electric one back by the tank. Quite different from the standard 2002:s
I remember as a young kid in the 70's a neighbour round the corner had one of these in the same yellow, with the round rear lights. beautiful car.
The 2002 is the most fun car I’ve ever driven. I had one in 1988, I still miss it.
That exhaust knocking on start up made me chuckle and that gearstick is wobbling all over the place. They're fantastic cars when original. This one's been mucked about with way too much.
BMW..., "sheer driving pleasure"..., RIGHT?! Not from "A" to "B". I drove much of them, 02 series, E21, Series3, Series5, E87 and now an i3, wich also has this "sheer driving pleasure" feeling. Thanks for sharing this one!
I had a friend that owned a 2002 and subsequently a 2002 tii. Excellent cars!
Both had a double brake servo mechanism to make up for the long sideways throw of the right hand drive version.
What a great car. Reminds me of my dad's 2002, started my love for BMW (M4 comp. now).
These are proper engine sounds ! Not the artificial modern rubbish ..
Everything you need and nothing you don't.
Endless coolness and bottomless fun.
Drove my mechanics tii in the 1980s. Fast and felt like a go cart, great visibility. Starting it with the choke was the hardest part.
Tii doesn't have a choke, all built into the Kugelfischer injection unit.
The 2002 Tii pulls great for 130 bhp. The Turbo cars are slowish at low speed but they pull and pull and pull once the boost pressure is up. If you drive the Turbo, try to get the close ratio 5-speed.
I think my old 2002 is still my most-missed car even though every time you pulled out the keys meant there was some bizarre repair necessary somewhere.
I have a 73 roundie tii I’m selling. With a nice fresh 150hp Ireland engineering engine still on k’fischer
Thanks Jack for another great video , I had 2002 with the rounded lights at the back which was supposedly the more desirable body , red , aromatic , but even for an automatic you could feel that it had more power than the average small car of the era , I bought if for $700 and sold it a few years later for $3000 . It was quite reliable as overseas friends who visited used to take it in the countryside on sightseeing trips. One issue was that even in Melbourne Australia it was a bit rusty , the usual places outside and big rust in the boot , that was 20 years ago and would have loved to have it still today but you can only have so much space in the driveway so it sat on the street , thanks again for another great insight 😊
As a teen in the 1980s, I was lent a 1602 to drive in New England and loved its handling so much! I'd love to try a 2002.
Bmw didn’t use the electronic Bosch L-Jetronic cos it didn’t exist yet.
You know it must be good by looking at Jack's smile when he said "Let's take it through the gears again."
I've always loved the look of these cars, I'd be happy with a stock 1600, the more original the better.
I love the design language BMW had back then. Every line leaned forward, like Donald Duck's car when he really went for it.
Cartoons do make an impact on culture. I always perceive this style as a hungry go getting racer. The leaning back smooth style, which is far more efficient, looks to me like someone who gets scared by a rollercoaster going down the slope. Silly stuff, but still. I like that concentrated, forward brow look that was so typically BMW then. It kind of went out the window from the E30 period forward.
I fully agree.
That’s one of the reasons I love my E28 so much, that shark nose has bags of character!
The tii was introduced in April 1971. The ti in 1968. I've owned a 1974 1802 in colour Inka Orange. Also a great car.
I also had an 1802 in Inka...restored from a garden find...
I used to borrow a friend's one of these in the early 80s, it was a really good car. I think they have aged well.
Would love to hear your opinion on the comparison between how this and a comparable Italian car of that same era feels.
Thanks for this video. Fun fact: Paul Adams won the 1970 Rally New Zealand in a 2002!
Fantastic review. Thanks for this Jack. You are correct, it is a worm and roller. I own a 2002 and I’ve had 11 years of pleasure with mine. Never broken down. Taken my family on holiday twice with no issues.
Interestingly, with the standard set up, it doesn’t feel jittery. Totally the opposite. It rides incredibly smoothly and wafts down the road. I want to do a bit of work on mine but it’s closer to standard if you ever wanted to drive it for a comparison. Gas shocks, Weber carb and the 5sp conversion. Aside from that it’s closer to standard spec.
I had a turbo in 1973 new . If you want to know about the turbo ask .
I ran it for about 50 thousand km whilst living in Germany. Sorry correction it was a bit later around 76 must be the age 😁 traded in a 520 ( terrible car) it was the first one the dealership had . White. No problems with the turbo or exhaust manifold. Not particularly quick but good fun.
My Grandfather had a 2002 but I was too young to realize that.
Afterwards he got the first 5-series.
Still miss those.... ;)
Greetings from the Netherlands
And Michelotti (Stag, GT6, Maserati 3500GT Vignale) is part credited with the design, as well as the BMW 1800Ti. The similarity between the 1800/2002 and the Triumph Dolomite/Sprint is not a coincidence, despite the latter being a 4 door.
I'm glad you mentioned the gear box, as in your first pull, it sounded like you went 1st to 3rd?
Anyway, I absolutely love these. They are beautiful to look at. Great video
My first car was a 2002 Touring. Sold it because was planning to fall apart: rust.
Years later it was at an oltimer exhibition. Totally rebuilt ().
A few years later I parked behind it. The C syles were gone. End of life.
The car still exists but has not been on the road for > 30 years (MOT). Waiting for restoration maybe.
Great car! I had that sort of simplicity in mind when modifying a saab 900, unassisted steering and brakes but about 250hp. Fun times!
This is the car that made me fall in love with bmw
A great review Jack. I've always loved the 02s and I still have the 2002 cabrio with round tail lights which I bought back in 1986. It still drives really well.
Nice...I had a 1502...you may laugh, it had the same 1600cc engine as the 1602S, just lesser tune......it was a nice drive....I went to it from a VW411Le, so it couldn't have been anything else.,
Nice tii, and my favorite color: Golf 💛
Beautiful car design. The 2002 Turbo was my favourite, :) One of the first turbocharged cars of the 70's along with the SAAB 99
Cool car, great color and wonderfully simple engine bay. Still, it would have been interesting to find an original one to know how it was when new.
I wish people would leave well alone .....
I grew up in a 2002 of exactly that colour (and with round rearlights!) in the 70s, after a 1802 (which I don't remember), followed by a 525i, 728i and 635CSi. Those are the cars I still love, as opposed to the ugly horrors BMW produces since about 20 years. Thx for the memories, Jack!
I got given a 2002 ( round rear loghts) in1989 from a uncle of mine when I was 18. Drove it for 6 months then traded it in for a 2.8 capri
Beautiful model. What you want is a 2002 with an S14 engine conversion from an E30 M3 with associated chassis and brake reinforcements. I have driven such a car and it was absolutely brilliant. So incredibly alive and not least agile. It's not a car for motorways, but on narrow country roads it's unbeatable in terms of smiles per mile.
A mate of my Dad had one of these in white, it so cool.
I love your enthusiasm, Jack. But I never had that about these shoebox beamers. The 3 litre CSi had much better elegance with lines that looked very familiar.
I had an E21 for a few years. Loved it to bits but then it just disintegrated from rust (probably no more than 12 years old!) I've always wanted a 2002 but the thought of another thirty years of rust since mine went to the breakers makes me think it is just too risky!
Was my first car! a 2002 tii...bought for 350 quid and was as rotten as an old Apple ...took me 12 months and a lot of relations help to get it back on the road. The Kugelfisher was a pain and took another few months and a genious technician friend of mine to set up.
Nice car and a great colour for it plus you can use all the power without being massively over the speed limit.
I had a 2 liter n/a 1973 so that was with the round tail lights. Very fun car on crazy roller coaster roads in NZ. Handled well braked well. I thought at the time it was a a mkII Escort but hot rodded. The thing I found slightly annoying was people presumed it was a Fiat in the late 80s when I had it. I sold it for £1000 and it had a nice set of BBS quattro alloys on it! I loved the crank handle sun roof and crank handle windows! It would do one hundred miles an hour fairly readily. Koni gs shocks were superb.
Love these cars. I had a '73 normal US spec car but it it was in very bad shape. It always left me wanting to pick one up again some day. Such a quirky little car as well - one of few I have owned with bottom-hinged pedals. There's a few for sale near me - all right round the price ranges you spoke of.
Fine and enjoying review as usual :) Best BMW together with the 507 IMO.
I hate the 3 series because they replaced the 02 series, not because they are not good.
That car is perfection jack. Modern cars are simply not drivers cars just tech on wheels very sad
I remember when I was a kid there was an old lady in the nieghbourhood that had a 1602 with the round taillights. It was light gray and in great condition. I believe she had it since new and she rarely used it.
Lovely cars the 2002's one of the best BMW's I think. This one has some modifications but all well done might upset some people though? The colour is great you couldn't miss it speeding past you when your stood on the side of the track or road. Great review Jack. 👍👍
I've always had a soft spot for the 2002Ti. I agree the round tail lights look better.
I had every model from the 1600 to the TII, Touring as well, this was after my 1800 and 2000 Tilux. Turbo was too expensive to buy. After those I went to the 320 and 323, my father went from his 2800 and 3000 CS to the 323. I found the handling of the 02 better than the 3 series.
I think the 2002 may have morphed into a ZX in the last 5 seconds of the video! Great write up, I went to look at a 2002tii in 1990 on a wet Sunday afternoon, when a colleague was selling it, it was in a lock up near Alexander Palace and he gave me the keys to the car and garage. I sadly had to break the news to him on Monday morning that the car had been nicked, as the garage was bare, when I arrived!
Back in the day, it was possible to leave transportation appliance without losing too much minimalism & enter into Robust Chariot. THE LINES ARE JUST SOOOO CLASSIC ON THE 2002.
6:55 Yes! Thank you for that comment on modern society, although I'm sure you didn't intend it to be.
Stuff should just do what it's supposed to. I really, really don't want a wifi app on my fridge. It needs to cool what's inside and it needs to do that for the next two decades at least. I don't want an app on my phone for it, and I don't want that fridge to be outdated because that app doesn't get updates anymore. I certainly don't want a touchscreen.
I once bought a synth at my net monthly income. 90% of what it can do I never even touched. Now it's obsolete and won't fetch any price. I'm stuck with it, I might as well dump it. But you couldn't buy one without all those superfluous gadgets.
You're welcome ;) 2002's are still super popular here
Great video! This '02 is something of a Frankenstein -- a square-tail body (probably a '74 if it's a real tii, but an earlier interior (from '72 or '73 most likely). Yes, the 2002's had worm and roller; the rack and pinion came with the E21, I believe. Also, I could be wrong, but I doubt the ti's ever came with a five speed. To do a 5-speed conversion you have to enlarge the transmission tunnel (unless it was an automatic).
Cracking stuff I've always had a soft spot for an 02.
TY Jack! 🙏🙏
What a fabulous sounding engine.
Lovely cars. Haven't seen one on the road for 10 years or so, perhaps a little longer. It'll likely not bother you unduly Jack, but the turbos were LHD only.
Jack, I know you enjoy your backwoods, test drives; but it would be a real hoot to show the BMW Isetta.
I saw a turbo on Jonny Smiths Late Brake show earlier.
Great little cars!!! I have a soft spot for the pre '74 round tail light cars but either way what a lovely thing!!! The little Beamer seems really well sorted and I'm jealous of whoever picks this up to play with!! These are about as much fun as you can have on four wheels, I wager that only perhaps the 1st gen Toyota MR2 and it's Supercharged variant are more fun. That feeling that you can chuck the car into some twisties without being petrified of landing it in a hedge or around a tree if you touch the loud pedal a bit too hard. Cheers from a snowy (already) Canada! - Dave