I only recently watched "Manos: The Hands of Fate" on my quest to explore bad movies. I wasn't actually sure I was watching a coherent film until about halfway through, and then it became clear that there actually is no upper limit to how bad a movie can get until it becomes a weird form of psychological torture. Anyway can't recommend it enough 10/10
BarkyLondon You probably missed it, but when one of the girls meets Torgo, her eyes travel down his body and then she has a look of horror on her face. This looks like she is horrified at his crotch. There was supposed to an insert shot of Torgo's goat legs, causing her distress, but they ran out of money.
Got to love the behind the scenes of Phantom Menace with George Lucas saying something and everyone else nodding away but then nervously glancing around the room while he's not looking. They all wanted to say something but no-one would dare.
I think one key is when the movie is totally incapable of causing a suspension of disbelief at any point during the viewing. The movie's existence in and of itself breaks the fourth wall, or rather that that wall is simply never created to begin with. The movie goes meta and it's like you are watching a documentary about the movie and the artist responsible. And absolutely, this has to be unintentional. That's the punchline that gets the laughs.
there really needs to be more discussion about Niel Breen. People always point to Wiseau, but all he really has is The Room and the fame surronding it. Breen has like 5 films, most of them just reskins and repeats of older films, like he doesn't edit and rewrite his films at first, he just makes them, and then remakes them again but slightly more coherent.
on paper? yes. In reality? Breen can craft a more coherent narrative, but he can only write like 4 paper-thin supporting characters along with an all powerful self insert character.
The difference is that Wiseau has some weird charisma to him. His acting is so weird that its facsinating to watch. Breen on the other hand is more boring. His incompetnce and total lack of selfawarness is hilarious and I love it, but I can clearly see why he's not as memorable for the general audience as much as Wiseau is.
Wickermans remakes major issue , after badly smashing two scripts together that is, is they did not let Cage be Cage he was obviously being restrained from his normal Cage performance.
I remember I found a definition of “so bad it’s good” in the comment section of an RLM vid that fit so perfectly I use it as my own personal definition now - essentially a “so bad it’s good” Movie is when the events happening in a movie are so odd and weird - whether it be the actual events happening, the acting, line delivery, shot composition, editing choices, or any thing really - that the movie itself accidentally becomes an absurdist and surreal comedy. Best example is The Room - Tommy’s weird as fuck acting and line delivery are so weird that it’s comedic, especially with the backdrop of the film trying to be a serious drama about relationships.
Wh...Where's the lava lamp? I personally was hoping that, when you got your new set, the entire background would be shelves lined completely with row after row of lava lamps.
I worked on I Frankenstein doing the visual effects (the fire souls in the scenes you showed were part of our work), the trick is to enjoy the process of making the thing and not required the complete film to be good. I haven’t worked on many films that ended up being a good film. So enjoying the process is essential.
WolfeSpeider I can't believe you committed suicide. I CANNOT believe you committed suicide...this scene dethrones Tommy Wiseau's I did not hit her scene.
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"so bad it's good" is a meta, abstract version of a dramatic tragedy, where the conflict and payoff for the viewer lies not within the actual work itself, but in the full creative process of the creators of the oiece. The creators display hubris proportional to the badness of the art, and the substance, or the good, lies in the failure and mockery of the creators.
I have seen SNDNP2 about a million times. I hesitate to put it in 'So bad it's good' because they had an incredibly limited budget, were ordered to simply recut the original film into a flashback movie. But managed to make half an extremely entertaining movie, and the humorous acting and kills are very much intentional but still funny. So it's a film trying to be gory & funny all while fulfilling the role of cashgrabbing by re-editing the first film, and it's successful in everything it attempts to be. So it's just a really good cheap horror comedy!
Yor, Hunter from the Future is my favorite good/bad film. This one never lets up. Reb Brown says there were New York posters for the film which featured a tag line which was a line of dialogue from the film. I wont spoil that here. One of the worst line deliveries of all time. Love this movie.
NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER (1986) = My vote for the most consistently entertaining and re-watchable "bad" movie I've ever seen. It's overflowing with absurd, quotable moments, it's never boring, and it earnestly attempts to be good.
If we're handing out recommendations, I'm going to throw down IN THE NAME OF THE KING: A DUNGEON SIEGE TALE (2007) from the always reliable Uwe Boll. It's a roller coaster ride of inexplicable events, brain-pickling dialogue, and actors who are way too good for this shit and obviously know it, but the plot is coherent enough to follow and (most importantly) the pace never drags. It's an extremely watchable and, in my mind, underappreciated good bad movie.
"Tammy and the T-Rex" is my all time champion! Its so derailed and crazy from the begining to the end... so there are no scene when you are'nt questioning: "what they were thinking of?!!" or "How this even got approved?!" Yet as bad as it is,it simultanesly batshit crazy and fun that I thoroughly enjoy watching it 🤣 Oh and Denise Richards is a treasure 😉
_Jaws: The Revenge_ his hands down my favorite "so bad it's good" movie. From the very first scene when Sean Brody loses his first arm by leaning over the boat, and then loses his other arm by leaning over the other side of the boat 😆 to the very end when for some reason the shark rears out of the water and starts roaring like a lion 😆😆😆 pretty much everything in between had me in stitches! Psychic connection between Ellen Brody and the shark...😂😂😂
You obviously have not seen 'The Apple'. I don't know if it was God coming down in a golden Cadillac, or the Villian engaged in a Reggie show tune. Manos had no redeeming qualities what so ever. It was barely watchable with RiffTracks.
What makes something "so bad it's good" comes down, I think, to the gulf between what the creator thinks he's making and what he's actually made. Being awful isn't enough; it needs the added factor of the creator believing he was making something good. For me, it's summed up by a scene in Tim Burton's "Ed Wood" where they're filming some godawful scene and Wood (Depp) is there behind the camera like he's conducting a symphony. That moment really captured the essence of artistic delusion; everything about the scene they're shooting is amateurish dreck, but in Ed Wood's mind the scene is absolutely singing.
Wow! What a great rundown of the phenomenon. It basically sums up my own thoughts on "great" bad movies to a point. Only, I was not able to work them out so coherently myself. Thanks for straighting it out for me!
First of all the Birdemic clapping scene and all the scenes on the beach were amazing. Secondly, I've always been interested in where Troma fits into all of this. They obviously know what they're doing, but somehow come off as authentically insane.
Wicker man is great.. You're clearly forgetting the scene where Nick cage is screaming *"HOW'D IT GET BURNED!"* Or the amazing scene where he punches a woman in the face whilst dressed as a bear.. Or the weird transitions with the truck coming in from nowhere.. The whole movie isn't 'so bad it's good' but there's at least 5 amazing scenes in that film..
Seems like these movies just leave the curtain wide open, eliminating the need to even explain or reveal the process like bigger budget, locked-in productions. Great video as always!
I think enjoyable bad films, need to have humor and keep you waiting for the next bizarre thing to laugh at. This is always helped by having a group of friends to enjoy it with. Usually, it is a solid (or at least passable in the cliche way) type of film that just screws up in a consistent way without making you bored or frustrated. I think when a person genuinely screws up, you are on the edge of your seat to see the next blunder to have a laugh at it. When a person makes terrible choices, or it feels like they tried to make a bad film, it just makes you angry and frustrated until you give up.
Georg, I absolutely love that you expose people to "The Roller Blade Seven" movie. One of my absolute strangest "cinematic" experiences - and I wasn't even high on something!
I never really liked the phrase "so bad it's good" to describe these sorts of movies. It rarely ever describes what or how exactly the film is good while also being bad, it treats badness like it were a scale shaped like a horseshoe or a circle where going all the way to one end brings you very close to the other end, which is really oversimplifying it.
sarcasmagasm Yeah, plus as he said it's more a case of being funny than being good. And even the best bad movies can't be funny all the time, which means the rest of the time you're just watching something bad. Though that can be fascinating even when it's not enjoyable.
I prefer "so bad it's good" to "guilty pleasure". I have no shame in liking the movies I like, and can mount a justification for each one if necessary.
sarcasmagasm this is www.imdb.com/search/keyword?keywords=unintentionally-funny&sort=moviemeter,asc&mode=detail&page=1&ref_=kw_ref_key and not So Bad It's Good
I'd like to throw "My Soul to Take" into the ring as a "so bad it's good" movie. And remember that this was written and directed by Wes Craven. It's _truly_ baffling, all the way through.
The most enjoyable 'so bad its good' film I've ever seen is Fantasy Mission Force (kind of) starring a young Jakie Chan. I watched it once, chalked it off as the stupidest film I'd ever seen.. And then must have rewatched a dozen times. Highly recommend it for a laugh.
On a specific note, the scripts and behavior of these "bad" movies are sometimes disturbingly accurate, if not unbelievable, in the portrayal human interaction that we just don't see in more well-done movies.
The difference between "so bad it's enjoyable" and "it's just bad" is beautifully exemplified by the difference between the film Dungeons & Dragons (2000) and the film Dungeons & Dragons: Wrath of the Dragon God (2005). The first one we laughed at the whole way through. The second one we only got through like 30 minutes of it before it was so excruciating we had to turn it off.
Well with this subject in mind, Troll 2 also falls in the same category as The Room, that too is infamous for it's bad acting but it also comes off as being hilarious and watchable. But what's really surprising is that Troll 2 actually has a cult following and a documentary movie on the making of Troll 2 called "Best Worst Movie". Of course these films are still bad movies and most bad movies are so bad, they are unwatchable but I think overtime some of these bad films get recognised as being enjoyable by certain audiences and that's how these films have become popular in film culture.
As soon as RLM features one of these films on BotW, you can find a dozen or so people suddenly jump all over these films. I swear, after they did Double Down, every one from Nostalgia Critic to YourMovieSucksDOTorg were featuring Neil Breen films, I feel like they've probably made Breen's sales shoot up like 900%!
I think it's in the Force Awakens plinkett review where Mike takes a swipe at all the other bottom feeder movie channels for ripping him off (and being more successful)
For me, the ideal so-bad-it's-good is the one that mixes genuine awfulness with genuine quality. Something like the original Star Trek. On the plus side, it boasts wonderful characters, a tight internal mythology, a real sense of fun and adventure, a fair share of progressive thinking and some really good visuals. On the other hand, there's the lpainted cardboard sets, the iffy acting, the occassionally bad jokes, the many times the thinking was anything but progressive, the questionable technobabble, and above all the stench of pretentiousness when pushing its philosophies. But what saves the series is that even the bad aspects have a quirky uniqueness and a loveable, almost naive sincerity that makes them easy to forgive, and easier to enjoy.
They actually did that. Wiseau teamed up with the guy from "Samurai Cop" (another movie widely considered to be "so bad it's good") to make "Samurai Cop 2". Unfortunately (and as expected), the movie didn't turn out to be the masterpiece of so-bad-it's-good-ness one would expect: it's just bad, bland and boring.
My favorite so-bad-its-good movie is "All Cheerleaders Die". Its even more enjoyable when you read interviews from the director, who thought they were redefining the dark comedy genre.
To me something is "camp" if it were intentionally made that way. I do not think it was intentional. First time I saw Flash, it was in the theatre with my two friends. It was just fun to watch because of the unintentional funniess (such as, it seemed that whenever Flash appeared on the screen, you heard Queen intone, "Flash! Ah ha!").
I'm surprised people don't realise that Flash Gordon was aware of what it was doing. It's certainly not Star Wars, but that doesn't mean it failed. The only person who didn't realise what the movie was when they were making it was producer Dino De Laurentiis, and that wasn't his fault - he was Italian.
Maybe we do not realize it was intentional because the advertisements at the time made it look like it was going to be serious with some humor as well.
10:04 ''you can't make a bad movie '' I agree so much, in fact years ago I already knew this clip of birdemic before it was well known on youtube. I saw it on a website of movie critics of what we call in france '' nanards''. So when I saw sharknado on tv, I was disturbed how it felt intentional and so, not fun, it felt bizarre because I was unaware of those kinda films... anyway, great video as usual !
But all of it was intentional, more or less, if you are talking about the Adam West version. Most of the stuff you laugh at is clearly meant to be parody. The entire "You just can't get rid of a Bomb" scene was obviously never meant to be taken seriously, nor the shark repellent scene.
William Garland - True, it was definitely partially self aware, but still it's marketed as a real Batman movie, not a Batman parody. I think it was never meant to be taken seriously like you said but it's still dated with cheap TV special effects and costumes of the time that makes it all the more laughable, kind of like the 1960s Star Trek lizard man fight and the super fake rubber shark hanging from batman while he sprays it. Also, like Shatner, Adam West really overreacts which is what makes it all the more hilarious and fun. I just think the fact it's dated and from the sixties makes it more hilarious than what even the original makers had intended.
What is a 'real' Batman movie? The comics of the era (the silver age) were just as if not more ridiculous than anything in the show (serious/dark batman did not really exist until the mid to late seventies), except the comics were aimed at a child audience and meant to be taken at face value, meanwhile the TV show was more or less always winking at the camera while parodying how outrageous super-heroes books of the time actually were, and thus maintained a sizable (indeed majority) adult audience (it aired in prime-time, afterall, rather than on Saturday morning). Child viewers more often took the show at face value, afterall they always did so with the comics, and thus much of the shows actual humor (which was aimed at their parents) went over their heads.
WilliamGarland - There has been many iterations of Batman over the years. I see this movie as no different being a product of it's times just like the 90s films and Christopher Nolan series. But no film like Batman the Movie could be made today, just like Star Trek can't go back to being all Shatner's ridiculous acting and goofy lizardmen costumes or have an episode where Spock loses his brain. And just to clarify, I'm aware Star Trek is a different genre with a different audience in mind than 1960s Batman, but it's dated aspects like these that they both share. It certainly was meant to be goofy in it's time. I'm in agreement with you on that, but I still hold to it being so dated and alien in it's humor as bringing it's silliness to a whole new level.
WilliamGarland - And just so you know, I'm not saying any of this to disrespect the Adam West Batman. I actually love it and wouldn't change a thing about it. Maybe "bad" isn't the right word since that sounds derogatory. I'm sure at the time it was one of the better shows on television for children and adults. I think the show greatly appealed to it's targeted audience in the 60s which were families with children, but it has lived on today with a cult following due to it's weird, out there humor which you just can't find in any modern media. This is what brings people like me who did not exist during the time of it's original run to own the movie and episodes on dvd. It's just so much fun. ;P
I agree with you about movies that try to be badgood, that's why I can't be bothered with asylum films. I think the exception to this though has to be Garth Marenghi's dark place. I think it's definitely worth mentioning when focusing on this topic because it parodies the process behind making shite as well as the shite itself.
Wholeheartedly agree, I've read Diseaster Artist in one sitting and knew the Room only from handful of scenes. Watching The Room in its entirety and in solitary setting , dimnished my enjoyment of the overall film.
Watching this INCREDIBLE vid has become a semi-annual pilgrimage for me. I watch it to remind me of all of the great lines, not just by the films but by Georg! “Good god it’s like it slows down time” “Here Neil take these pills Neil they’ll help you sleep Neil”
I think a good demonstration of a lot of things you say is comparing Samurai Cop with the sequel made years later. (Also featuring the Room’s Tommy Wiseau). One is made with tremendous flaws but tries to be a genuine movie. The second tries to be a parody but loses all the charm and humour. I think Manos is fascinating for the technical limitations they had, the odd decisions made throughout (including Torgo and the couple making out) and the strangeness of it all. I watched a documentary first and found the film far more watchable after that. A similar thing happened with Zardoz, I’ve watched your video on it several times and finally gave the movie a go. Looking forward to the Predator series analysis.
If anyone's curious about these kind of movies red letter media does a fantastic series called best of the worst entirely about watching awful movies. Highly recommend the series and the channel in general
I just spent a couple of days binge watching IHE's "search for the worst" videos, and then this video from one of my favourite channels pops up, featuring 2/3 of the films. Tis fate trying to persuade me to watch the Room.
I like it not a bad movie just kinda too weird & esoteric for most people. Also has that very 70's appearance that hasn't aged well for most films of the time.
I'm glad Plan 9 was in there. I remember when that used to be the quintessential So Bad It's Good movie. I feel like it's been unjustly forgotten these days.
Digscomics Glen or Glenda is the worst movie ever made. Ere is about a ten minute incoherent period where one is just dying of laughter. Recommended to everyone.
In a word: Chutzpah. Enough belief/desire to continue where most would be dissuaded, where they should be dissuaded, invested in something jarringly defiant of convention, proud enough of the attempt (as distinct from the result) to release it, or in too deep to kill it. The defiance shouts through the noise and spellbinds us.
From my point of view movies fall mainly in four categories, and there are reasons to watch all of them: -The ones that follow conventions and succeed (they show why the conventions exist in the first place) -The ones that break the mold and succeed (these ones are really interesting) -The ones that follow the conventions and fail (unoriginal, and generally are examples of what not to do) -The ones that break the mold and fail (it's interesting to figure out why they failed) Of course, the division is not absolute and some movies can be in different categories in different aspects. But what i like of "so bad are good" movies, is that sometimes (a lot of times) you can't figure where to put them. I ask myself usually "could i have done this on purpose?", because deep down i would love to be able to replicate it. Mistakes that are not mistakes, like dissonant notes that should be unpleasant but are somehow entertaining to hear. I would like to differ on the statement that this kind of movies can't be replicated on purpose, but for now is just a wishful thinking. I would like to try someday tough, see if i can trick everyone into seeing a false lack of self awareness. Or find somebody that can do that.
I have watched MANOS many times - and I seriously love it. Not ironically or hipsterly, but like a cherished memory. I think it's an honest and unobtrusive film that you can enjoy like music or architecture or a walking simulator. It has an innocence that I love returning to over and over again.
The Beyond, is a 1981 Italian horror film directed by Lucio Fulci is by far one of the most entertaining monstrosities i ever had the pleasure of watching. several friends and i went to see this at a packed theater on halloween, so the crowd certainly had a great deal to do with it. ridiculous arterial spraying, loading a revolver by dropping bullets in the barrel, the blind 'gifted' girl and the seeing eye dog, the doctor going, 'what am i supposed to do? I am doctor! after which he pulls a hand cannon from his desk... the slowest zombie child ever EVER... and so on and so on... the cheesiest, most overacted 'we're so screwed' slow mo emote'... schadenfreude at it's finest. "Did you know your hotel was one of the seven gates of HELL!?!? DID YOU?!? DID YOU?!?!?" it was the most cathartic experience i've ever had in a theater... utterly awful! enjoy!
I agree. I don't know why it gets praised so much, I like it but there are many more movies that are better "so bad it's good movies". Take Tommy out of it and it's just a crappy softcore porno.
GameraTheBrave I saw it years ago and hated it so much. Then in the last like four years people try to tell me it is so bad it is good. I tell them to take thier hipster try hard movie and walk off a pier into sharp infested waters. The movie is not even remotely redeemable. It makes me cringe in angry instead of laugh.
Not Serious missed the point? That hipsters keep saying it is so bad it is good and group think has agreed. It is a shit movie and should never be veiwed.
Manos is the film that's so bad that it cycles around and becomes interesting again. It's legitimately creepy and its mood is like that of found footage before that was a thing. I actually try to watch it once a year. Every time you watch it, you discover something new about it.
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I can not stand bad movies that are intentionally crappy, like Sharknado. A movie has to be unintentionally bad to be amusing. Delusional filmmakers and dying dreams are what make bad movies fun.
I've watched most of MST3K, including the Manos episode. And I think that show can explain your point pretty well. Some of the movies on MST3K are so bad, even a funny commentary can't make them entertaining (Teenagers from Outer Space, Eegah, Space Mutiny, etc). While on the other hand, I've seen a few movies on that show which were actually....kinda entertaining. Like Puma Man, Time Chasers or Jack Frost. Jack Frost especially, while being about as weird as many of the other films, has an actual coherent story and was so outlandish that I was interested to see where it went. In this way, I would put it up on the same level as a movie like Judge Dredd, my go to "so bad its good" movie. Though clearly neither movie is good at all, they're terrible. But like you said, there's some movies that are terrible and still entertaining. Also, nice sneaking in of The Phantom Menace there.
In the quest to answer the question "What Makes A Movie So Bad It's Good?", I suggest consideration of the "Decker" series by adult swim. A show built around hyperbolic bad everything. Acting, sets, dialogue, effects, casting, etc.
The one part that you touched on, but didn't fully address is the failure in genuine intent. Many Hollywood films are cynical and the scrutiny is based on whether it would make money rather than whether it's good. The reason that SBIG films tend to be low budget, is that the only intent is to create something beautiful, we never doubt their intentions they just fail. One of the functions of humour is to diffuse social tension, SBIG films are the tension that keeps on giving
Apparently Tommy Wiseau wanted to have a flying car in the Room and someone asked him why and he just said "maybe Johnny is a vampire" and walked away
This one made me very happy. Thank you!
He is the Wise One
"They're eating her! And then they're going to eat me too!
Oh my goooooooooooo...
... Oh hai Mark."
Rubashow they are tearing her apart!... Liza?
I get that ChrisStuckman reference
GARBAGE DAY!
I'd say that was the hai Mark of those movies. ps. mst3k forever
He doesn't say too....he says....then they're gonna eat me. Oh my Gooooohhhd
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Know lava lamp, know love. No lava lamp, no love.
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You do all realise that the lamp is never there, don't you?
I only recently watched "Manos: The Hands of Fate" on my quest to explore bad movies. I wasn't actually sure I was watching a coherent film until about halfway through, and then it became clear that there actually is no upper limit to how bad a movie can get until it becomes a weird form of psychological torture. Anyway can't recommend it enough 10/10
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You probably missed it, but when one of the girls meets Torgo, her eyes travel down his body and then she has a look of horror on her face. This looks like she is horrified at his crotch.
There was supposed to an insert shot of Torgo's goat legs, causing her distress, but they ran out of money.
@@DarthPerkins The master wouldn't approve.
+Lee Perkins It's not Torgo, it's Carrot Hand-Staff Man. :)
Have you seen Street Trash?
Nonthing beats the amazing Bulk. Nonthing.......
Got to love the behind the scenes of Phantom Menace with George Lucas saying something and everyone else nodding away but then nervously glancing around the room while he's not looking. They all wanted to say something but no-one would dare.
I think one key is when the movie is totally incapable of causing a suspension of disbelief at any point during the viewing. The movie's existence in and of itself breaks the fourth wall, or rather that that wall is simply never created to begin with. The movie goes meta and it's like you are watching a documentary about the movie and the artist responsible. And absolutely, this has to be unintentional. That's the punchline that gets the laughs.
there really needs to be more discussion about Niel Breen. People always point to Wiseau, but all he really has is The Room and the fame surronding it. Breen has like 5 films, most of them just reskins and repeats of older films, like he doesn't edit and rewrite his films at first, he just makes them, and then remakes them again but slightly more coherent.
on paper? yes. In reality? Breen can craft a more coherent narrative, but he can only write like 4 paper-thin supporting characters along with an all powerful self insert character.
The difference is that Wiseau has some weird charisma to him. His acting is so weird that its facsinating to watch. Breen on the other hand is more boring. His incompetnce and total lack of selfawarness is hilarious and I love it, but I can clearly see why he's not as memorable for the general audience as much as Wiseau is.
I don't care what he makes as long as he beats the holy fuck out of some outdated laptops I'm there!!!
Telling me you've never seen Neighbors brah?
#eyesonbreen
Well, at least the Wicker Man remake also had him dressed as a bear and then straight up decking a girl.....
Wickermans remakes major issue , after badly smashing two scripts together that is, is they did not let Cage be Cage he was obviously being restrained from his normal Cage performance.
Correct Cage's acting was very caged so we did not get full uncaged Cage.
Yeah, there are more fun moments than just the bees. But in the end there aren't enough to make the movie enjoyable.
*H O W ' D I T G E T B U R N E D*
The best part of the film
I remember I found a definition of “so bad it’s good” in the comment section of an RLM vid that fit so perfectly I use it as my own personal definition now - essentially a “so bad it’s good” Movie is when the events happening in a movie are so odd and weird - whether it be the actual events happening, the acting, line delivery, shot composition, editing choices, or any thing really - that the movie itself accidentally becomes an absurdist and surreal comedy. Best example is The Room - Tommy’s weird as fuck acting and line delivery are so weird that it’s comedic, especially with the backdrop of the film trying to be a serious drama about relationships.
Wh...Where's the lava lamp?
I personally was hoping that, when you got your new set, the entire background would be shelves lined completely with row after row of lava lamps.
That would look... awesome.
It almost exploded in his face, so he got rid of it.
#bringbackthelavalamp
Is that why his background is messed up?
I worked on I Frankenstein doing the visual effects (the fire souls in the scenes you showed were part of our work), the trick is to enjoy the process of making the thing and not required the complete film to be good. I haven’t worked on many films that ended up being a good film. So enjoying the process is essential.
A real human Breen...
WolfeSpeider I can't believe you committed suicide. I CANNOT believe you committed suicide...this scene dethrones Tommy Wiseau's I did not hit her scene.
. . . and a real gyro.
WolfeSpeider "Welcome to City17! You have chosen or been chosen to relocate to one of our finest remaining urban centres...."
A suBreen human being...
The mans a comedy breenus.
You're like a Renaissance RUclipsr. How is it that you can grace us with such a range of content?
Remember this was before "Cats". For those of you in the future "Cats" was the movie that triggered the apocalyptic 20/21 collapse.
Release the butthole cut!
Your reaction to the musical scene from "Jack & Jill" was funnier than the actual scene!
The only way one can watch Manos is if you watch the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 version
Justahippe only that show has the power to make Manos palatable.
Manos was so bad they had to give it the MST3K treatment twice. They made a Rifftrax edition, which I'm working up the courage to watch, soon.
" 'Manos: The Hands of Fate' was filmed on location in a vacant lot."
The only episode in which both Mads apologize.
Watch Begotten, then watch Manos
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"so bad it's good" is a meta, abstract version of a dramatic tragedy, where the conflict and payoff for the viewer lies not within the actual work itself, but in the full creative process of the creators of the oiece. The creators display hubris proportional to the badness of the art, and the substance, or the good, lies in the failure and mockery of the creators.
How about Silent Deadly Night 2 when the guy says "its garbage day!" and shoots that bloke taking the trash out?
The whole movie is under-rated, it's fucking fantastic
Just saw it because of your comments and I was very entertained. Cool movie!
I have seen SNDNP2 about a million times. I hesitate to put it in 'So bad it's good' because they had an incredibly limited budget, were ordered to simply recut the original film into a flashback movie. But managed to make half an extremely entertaining movie, and the humorous acting and kills are very much intentional but still funny.
So it's a film trying to be gory & funny all while fulfilling the role of cashgrabbing by re-editing the first film, and it's successful in everything it attempts to be. So it's just a really good cheap horror comedy!
Yor, Hunter from the Future is my favorite good/bad film. This one never lets up. Reb Brown says there were New York posters for the film which featured a tag line which was a line of dialogue from the film. I wont spoil that here. One of the worst line deliveries of all time. Love this movie.
NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER (1986) = My vote for the most consistently entertaining and re-watchable "bad" movie I've ever seen. It's overflowing with absurd, quotable moments, it's never boring, and it earnestly attempts to be good.
Lance Ehlers Seattle karate vs. L.A. karate. I never knew there was a difference until I saw this movie.
If we're handing out recommendations, I'm going to throw down IN THE NAME OF THE KING: A DUNGEON SIEGE TALE (2007) from the always reliable Uwe Boll. It's a roller coaster ride of inexplicable events, brain-pickling dialogue, and actors who are way too good for this shit and obviously know it, but the plot is coherent enough to follow and (most importantly) the pace never drags. It's an extremely watchable and, in my mind, underappreciated good bad movie.
Never clicked so fast. You're a hidden gem on youtube, Georg!
He's got over a 100 000 subs. He isn't that hidden
"Tammy and the T-Rex" is my all time champion!
Its so derailed and crazy from the begining to the end... so there are no scene when you are'nt questioning: "what they were thinking of?!!" or "How this even got approved?!"
Yet as bad as it is,it simultanesly batshit crazy and fun that I thoroughly enjoy watching it 🤣
Oh and Denise Richards is a treasure 😉
Manos looks like just the kind of movie I need. I have trouble falling asleep and I think watching it will help.
It will. Definitely. The first 15 minutes should do that.
Only if you can handle the induced nightmares.
If it's eternal sleep you're looking for, sure.
I saw Neil Breen in the thumbnail and immediately clicked.
The Room is damn entertaining, watching it in a theater full of people was one of the best cinema experience I've had.
_"It's about a hacker whose childhood sweetheart - her childhood, not his - ..."_
😂...
On wicker man, my favorite scene is when Nicolas Cage robs/commandeer a bicycle at gun point, is almost parody
It has to be the one where he dresses up in a bear costume and punches a woman in the face! Best scene of all time! lmao
_Jaws: The Revenge_ his hands down my favorite "so bad it's good" movie. From the very first scene when Sean Brody loses his first arm by leaning over the boat, and then loses his other arm by leaning over the other side of the boat 😆 to the very end when for some reason the shark rears out of the water and starts roaring like a lion 😆😆😆 pretty much everything in between had me in stitches! Psychic connection between Ellen Brody and the shark...😂😂😂
Yor: The Hunter From the Future?
We're going to need a lot more hemp before we're through!
Man I miss Spoony...
huxleyable
Yeah, he was really great back in the day.
he was number one
"...her childhood, not his" - Amazing xD
Genius.
No mention of Samurai Cop? I am disappointed.
i was thinking the same thing
Try hard deliberately bad movies don't belong here
I would agree with the 2nd Samurai Cop movie, but the first one felt pretty genuine and not meant to be bad at least to me.
MichaelLeroi Oh no, that guy was definitely part of the delusional/thought he was making a real movie crowd.
No Miami Connection either
They're eating her!... And then they're going to eat ME!... Oh my gooooood.
Oscar worthy stuff.
If it was a lesbian porno, the line could be justified and maybe (most likely) even arousing
You obviously have not seen 'The Apple'. I don't know if it was God coming down in a golden Cadillac, or the Villian engaged in a Reggie show tune. Manos had no redeeming qualities what so ever. It was barely watchable with RiffTracks.
Mazes & Monsters is one of my guilty pleasures. Not "that's a bit bad" kind of guilty, more "we, the jury, find the defendant..."
The sincerity is the key to why some of these bad movies work, when people try to make "So bad its good" on purpose it just doesnt work.
My personal favourite So Bad It's Good Movie is Samurai Cop!
What makes something "so bad it's good" comes down, I think, to the gulf between what the creator thinks he's making and what he's actually made. Being awful isn't enough; it needs the added factor of the creator believing he was making something good. For me, it's summed up by a scene in Tim Burton's "Ed Wood" where they're filming some godawful scene and Wood (Depp) is there behind the camera like he's conducting a symphony. That moment really captured the essence of artistic delusion; everything about the scene they're shooting is amateurish dreck, but in Ed Wood's mind the scene is absolutely singing.
10k likes and georg should remake dunkachino
lol I love how sad he gets when Dunkachino is referenced
And with the donut blazer!
Wow! What a great rundown of the phenomenon. It basically sums up my own thoughts on "great" bad movies to a point. Only, I was not able to work them out so coherently myself. Thanks for straighting it out for me!
I love your content, and these videos are much more digestible to me than the 40 minute ones. Thank you.
Robbie Rotten They’re his podcasts that he posts on here.
First of all the Birdemic clapping scene and all the scenes on the beach were amazing. Secondly, I've always been interested in where Troma fits into all of this. They obviously know what they're doing, but somehow come off as authentically insane.
Wicker man is great.. You're clearly forgetting the scene where Nick cage is screaming *"HOW'D IT GET BURNED!"* Or the amazing scene where he punches a woman in the face whilst dressed as a bear.. Or the weird transitions with the truck coming in from nowhere.. The whole movie isn't 'so bad it's good' but there's at least 5 amazing scenes in that film..
Seems like these movies just leave the curtain wide open, eliminating the need to even explain or reveal the process like bigger budget, locked-in productions. Great video as always!
I personally thought Manos was hilarious throughout, but I totally get your point.
I think enjoyable bad films, need to have humor and keep you waiting for the next bizarre thing to laugh at. This is always helped by having a group of friends to enjoy it with. Usually, it is a solid (or at least passable in the cliche way) type of film that just screws up in a consistent way without making you bored or frustrated. I think when a person genuinely screws up, you are on the edge of your seat to see the next blunder to have a laugh at it. When a person makes terrible choices, or it feels like they tried to make a bad film, it just makes you angry and frustrated until you give up.
You should've talked about Miami Connection.
Georg, I absolutely love that you expose people to "The Roller Blade Seven" movie. One of my absolute strangest "cinematic" experiences - and I wasn't even high on something!
I never really liked the phrase "so bad it's good" to describe these sorts of movies. It rarely ever describes what or how exactly the film is good while also being bad, it treats badness like it were a scale shaped like a horseshoe or a circle where going all the way to one end brings you very close to the other end, which is really oversimplifying it.
sarcasmagasm Yeah, plus as he said it's more a case of being funny than being good. And even the best bad movies can't be funny all the time, which means the rest of the time you're just watching something bad. Though that can be fascinating even when it's not enjoyable.
Paul Julian I might say that something can be enjoyable because it is fascinating. Some bad movies are just bad cause they lack even that much
I prefer "so bad it's good" to "guilty pleasure". I have no shame in liking the movies I like, and can mount a justification for each one if necessary.
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this is www.imdb.com/search/keyword?keywords=unintentionally-funny&sort=moviemeter,asc&mode=detail&page=1&ref_=kw_ref_key and not So Bad It's Good
I'd like to throw "My Soul to Take" into the ring as a "so bad it's good" movie. And remember that this was written and directed by Wes Craven. It's _truly_ baffling, all the way through.
The most enjoyable 'so bad its good' film I've ever seen is Fantasy Mission Force (kind of) starring a young Jakie Chan. I watched it once, chalked it off as the stupidest film I'd ever seen.. And then must have rewatched a dozen times. Highly recommend it for a laugh.
See also: Swordsman With An Umbrella.
Gotta love Manos. The line in MST3K about it looking like a snuff film is spot on. Bridget Jones Nelson was too creeped out to watch it thru!
I see Neil Breen, I give a thumbs up
On a specific note, the scripts and behavior of these "bad" movies are sometimes disturbingly accurate, if not unbelievable, in the portrayal human interaction that we just don't see in more well-done movies.
"You can do it, you can destroy these things you know. It is possible." - George Lucas
The difference between "so bad it's enjoyable" and "it's just bad" is beautifully exemplified by the difference between the film Dungeons & Dragons (2000) and the film Dungeons & Dragons: Wrath of the Dragon God (2005). The first one we laughed at the whole way through. The second one we only got through like 30 minutes of it before it was so excruciating we had to turn it off.
"You can't deliberately make a bad movie." 100% true!
Well with this subject in mind, Troll 2 also falls in the same category as The Room, that too is infamous for it's bad acting but it also comes off as being hilarious and watchable. But what's really surprising is that Troll 2 actually has a cult following and a documentary movie on the making of Troll 2 called "Best Worst Movie". Of course these films are still bad movies and most bad movies are so bad, they are unwatchable but I think overtime some of these bad films get recognised as being enjoyable by certain audiences and that's how these films have become popular in film culture.
What’s the second to last clip
“Great Ferrari, who’s your friend?”
::Removes moustache and goatee::
“Holy shit it’s him!”
Well that was Neil Breen in the driver's seat so I'm guessing double down. If not that then one of his other wierd movies.
'Delusional narcissists make the best bad movies'. That is great journalism. You've done a man's job, sir.
I only know all of the movies you're talking about from RedLetterMedia's Best of the Worst series
As soon as RLM features one of these films on BotW, you can find a dozen or so people suddenly jump all over these films. I swear, after they did Double Down, every one from Nostalgia Critic to YourMovieSucksDOTorg were featuring Neil Breen films, I feel like they've probably made Breen's sales shoot up like 900%!
I think it's in the Force Awakens plinkett review where Mike takes a swipe at all the other bottom feeder movie channels for ripping him off (and being more successful)
They made a Sequel to Manos: The hands of fate.. I haven’t seen it yet but I will work the courage and a bottle of Rum to do so one day!
It’s not hands of fate, it’s „hands off fate“ get your hands off my fate! :-)
Yor, Yor, He's our man! If he can't do it no-one can!
For me, the ideal so-bad-it's-good is the one that mixes genuine awfulness with genuine quality. Something like the original Star Trek. On the plus side, it boasts wonderful characters, a tight internal mythology, a real sense of fun and adventure, a fair share of progressive thinking and some really good visuals. On the other hand, there's the lpainted cardboard sets, the iffy acting, the occassionally bad jokes, the many times the thinking was anything but progressive, the questionable technobabble, and above all the stench of pretentiousness when pushing its philosophies. But what saves the series is that even the bad aspects have a quirky uniqueness and a loveable, almost naive sincerity that makes them easy to forgive, and easier to enjoy.
Please be on RedLetterMedia
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I don’t think Redlettermedia has EVER had another youtuber guest star. Only celebrities.
I mean, never say never, but I doubt they ever will.
The 2006 Wicker Man is also awesome for Cage dressed in a bear's suit punching a woman.
Neil Breen and Tony Wiseau should team up and make the ultimate masterpiece
"Disasterpiece"
They actually did that. Wiseau teamed up with the guy from "Samurai Cop" (another movie widely considered to be "so bad it's good") to make "Samurai Cop 2".
Unfortunately (and as expected), the movie didn't turn out to be the masterpiece of so-bad-it's-good-ness one would expect: it's just bad, bland and boring.
My favorite so-bad-its-good movie is "All Cheerleaders Die".
Its even more enjoyable when you read interviews from the director, who thought they were redefining the dark comedy genre.
Manos is only "good" if it has the MST3K or Rifftrax commentary. Of course, the commentary makes it funny. What about the 180 Sam Jones' film, Flash?
Monkof Magnesia Monster A Go Go on the other hand couldnt even be saved by MST3K
To me something is "camp" if it were intentionally made that way. I do not think it was intentional. First time I saw Flash, it was in the theatre with my two friends. It was just fun to watch because of the unintentional funniess (such as, it seemed that whenever Flash appeared on the screen, you heard Queen intone, "Flash! Ah ha!").
I'm surprised people don't realise that Flash Gordon was aware of what it was doing. It's certainly not Star Wars, but that doesn't mean it failed. The only person who didn't realise what the movie was when they were making it was producer Dino De Laurentiis, and that wasn't his fault - he was Italian.
Maybe we do not realize it was intentional because the advertisements at the time made it look like it was going to be serious with some humor as well.
One of my fav MST3K's, for sure!
10:04 ''you can't make a bad movie '' I agree so much, in fact years ago I already knew this clip of birdemic before it was well known on youtube. I saw it on a website of movie critics of what we call in france '' nanards''.
So when I saw sharknado on tv, I was disturbed how it felt intentional and so, not fun, it felt bizarre because I was unaware of those kinda films...
anyway, great video as usual !
Batman the Movie is one that falls in my "so bad it's good" category. I love that film. XD
But all of it was intentional, more or less, if you are talking about the Adam West version. Most of the stuff you laugh at is clearly meant to be parody. The entire "You just can't get rid of a Bomb" scene was obviously never meant to be taken seriously, nor the shark repellent scene.
William Garland - True, it was definitely partially self aware, but still it's marketed as a real Batman movie, not a Batman parody. I think it was never meant to be taken seriously like you said but it's still dated with cheap TV special effects and costumes of the time that makes it all the more laughable, kind of like the 1960s Star Trek lizard man fight and the super fake rubber shark hanging from batman while he sprays it. Also, like Shatner, Adam West really overreacts which is what makes it all the more hilarious and fun. I just think the fact it's dated and from the sixties makes it more hilarious than what even the original makers had intended.
What is a 'real' Batman movie? The comics of the era (the silver age) were just as if not more ridiculous than anything in the show (serious/dark batman did not really exist until the mid to late seventies), except the comics were aimed at a child audience and meant to be taken at face value, meanwhile the TV show was more or less always winking at the camera while parodying how outrageous super-heroes books of the time actually were, and thus maintained a sizable (indeed majority) adult audience (it aired in prime-time, afterall, rather than on Saturday morning). Child viewers more often took the show at face value, afterall they always did so with the comics, and thus much of the shows actual humor (which was aimed at their parents) went over their heads.
WilliamGarland - There has been many iterations of Batman over the years. I see this movie as no different being a product of it's times just like the 90s films and Christopher Nolan series.
But no film like Batman the Movie could be made today, just like Star Trek can't go back to being all Shatner's ridiculous acting and goofy lizardmen costumes or have an episode where Spock loses his brain. And just to clarify, I'm aware Star Trek is a different genre with a different audience in mind than 1960s Batman, but it's dated aspects like these that they both share.
It certainly was meant to be goofy in it's time. I'm in agreement with you on that, but I still hold to it being so dated and alien in it's humor as bringing it's silliness to a whole new level.
WilliamGarland - And just so you know, I'm not saying any of this to disrespect the Adam West Batman. I actually love it and wouldn't change a thing about it. Maybe "bad" isn't the right word since that sounds derogatory. I'm sure at the time it was one of the better shows on television for children and adults. I think the show greatly appealed to it's targeted audience in the 60s which were families with children, but it has lived on today with a cult following due to it's weird, out there humor which you just can't find in any modern media. This is what brings people like me who did not exist during the time of it's original run to own the movie and episodes on dvd. It's just so much fun. ;P
I sat through a 2-minute ad for a $200 Inception spinning top and no lava lamp. This world is a dark, cold place.
Hi George, I was wondering if you could make a video about The Warriors from the 70s. I enjoy it and it’d be neat to see your view on it
The warriors is a cult classic. :) doesn't everyone love it?
I agree with you about movies that try to be badgood, that's why I can't be bothered with asylum films. I think the exception to this though has to be Garth Marenghi's dark place. I think it's definitely worth mentioning when focusing on this topic because it parodies the process behind making shite as well as the shite itself.
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Wholeheartedly agree, I've read Diseaster Artist in one sitting and knew the Room only from handful of scenes. Watching The Room in its entirety and in solitary setting , dimnished my enjoyment of the overall film.
They do tend to find a lot of terrible movies with redeemable elements in Best of the Worst.
comradesomo [insert RLM meme here]
comradesomo Is George Replacing Rich Evans?
Does he have crippling depression/diabetes?
Watching this INCREDIBLE vid has become a semi-annual pilgrimage for me. I watch it to remind me of all of the great lines, not just by the films but by Georg!
“Good god it’s like it slows down time”
“Here Neil take these pills Neil they’ll help you sleep Neil”
Who Killed Captain Alex is in this boat
Ruben Lotz TIGER MAFIA
ACTION MOVIE
HELLO
THE MOVIE IS ON!!!
DINOSAURS
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I think a good demonstration of a lot of things you say is comparing Samurai Cop with the sequel made years later. (Also featuring the Room’s Tommy Wiseau). One is made with tremendous flaws but tries to be a genuine movie. The second tries to be a parody but loses all the charm and humour.
I think Manos is fascinating for the technical limitations they had, the odd decisions made throughout (including Torgo and the couple making out) and the strangeness of it all. I watched a documentary first and found the film far more watchable after that.
A similar thing happened with Zardoz, I’ve watched your video on it several times and finally gave the movie a go.
Looking forward to the Predator series analysis.
If anyone's curious about these kind of movies red letter media does a fantastic series called best of the worst entirely about watching awful movies. Highly recommend the series and the channel in general
Austin Agney It's 'Best of the Worst'. Just to clarify in case anyone actually thought he intended to say "nest of the worst".
I just spent a couple of days binge watching IHE's "search for the worst" videos, and then this video from one of my favourite channels pops up, featuring 2/3 of the films. Tis fate trying to persuade me to watch the Room.
ZARDOZ
I like it not a bad movie just kinda too weird & esoteric for most people. Also has that very 70's appearance that hasn't aged well for most films of the time.
WIZARDOZOFOZ
*GO FORTH, AND KILL THE BRUTALS*
*THE PENIS IS EVIL*
We need to make a distinction between films idiots think it's clever to mock, and films only idiots could miss the flaws in.
I'm glad Plan 9 was in there. I remember when that used to be the quintessential So Bad It's Good movie. I feel like it's been unjustly forgotten these days.
Digscomics Glen or Glenda is the worst movie ever made. Ere is about a ten minute incoherent period where one is just dying of laughter. Recommended to everyone.
The delusion of the creator, seriously, Tommy Wiseau and Claudio Fragasso think they made masterpieces and that's when a movie is so bad it's good.
In a word: Chutzpah.
Enough belief/desire to continue where most would be dissuaded,
where they should be dissuaded,
invested in something jarringly defiant of convention,
proud enough of the attempt (as distinct from the result) to release it,
or in too deep to kill it.
The defiance shouts through the noise and spellbinds us.
Aaaaaaaah! Where is the lava laaaamp?
He's on a christmas break
Being held hostage...
From my point of view movies fall mainly in four categories, and there are reasons to watch all of them:
-The ones that follow conventions and succeed (they show why the conventions exist in the first place)
-The ones that break the mold and succeed (these ones are really interesting)
-The ones that follow the conventions and fail (unoriginal, and generally are examples of what not to do)
-The ones that break the mold and fail (it's interesting to figure out why they failed)
Of course, the division is not absolute and some movies can be in different categories in different aspects. But what i like of "so bad are good" movies, is that sometimes (a lot of times) you can't figure where to put them. I ask myself usually "could i have done this on purpose?", because deep down i would love to be able to replicate it.
Mistakes that are not mistakes, like dissonant notes that should be unpleasant but are somehow entertaining to hear.
I would like to differ on the statement that this kind of movies can't be replicated on purpose, but for now is just a wishful thinking. I would like to try someday tough, see if i can trick everyone into seeing a false lack of self awareness. Or find somebody that can do that.
I️ will dislike until the lava lamp returns.
I have watched MANOS many times - and I seriously love it.
Not ironically or hipsterly, but like a cherished memory.
I think it's an honest and unobtrusive film that you can enjoy like music or architecture or a walking simulator.
It has an innocence that I love returning to over and over again.
I'd say ask Nicholas Cage lol EDIT: 1 minute odds in and already my boi is used as an example 😂
Why would you have to edit a comment less than 2 minutes into the video?
Oh. One of those people.
Gross.
Umm wut
I've been looking for a video that actually attempts at explaining so bad it's good movies. So far, this is my favorite video on the topic. Thanks.
Garzey's Wing
You are so easy going!
The Beyond, is a 1981 Italian horror film directed by Lucio Fulci is by far one of the most entertaining monstrosities i ever had the pleasure of watching. several friends and i went to see this at a packed theater on halloween, so the crowd certainly had a great deal to do with it. ridiculous arterial spraying, loading a revolver by dropping bullets in the barrel, the blind 'gifted' girl and the seeing eye dog, the doctor going, 'what am i supposed to do? I am doctor! after which he pulls a hand cannon from his desk... the slowest zombie child ever EVER... and so on and so on... the cheesiest, most overacted 'we're so screwed' slow mo emote'... schadenfreude at it's finest.
"Did you know your hotel was one of the seven gates of HELL!?!? DID YOU?!? DID YOU?!?!?"
it was the most cathartic experience i've ever had in a theater... utterly awful! enjoy!
The Room isn't so bad it's good, it is just flat bad on every level.
I agree. I don't know why it gets praised so much, I like it but there are many more movies that are better "so bad it's good movies". Take Tommy out of it and it's just a crappy softcore porno.
And you missed the point
Is it just me, or is anyone else sick of hearing about The Room?
GameraTheBrave I saw it years ago and hated it so much. Then in the last like four years people try to tell me it is so bad it is good. I tell them to take thier hipster try hard movie and walk off a pier into sharp infested waters. The movie is not even remotely redeemable. It makes me cringe in angry instead of laugh.
Not Serious missed the point? That hipsters keep saying it is so bad it is good and group think has agreed. It is a shit movie and should never be veiwed.
Manos is the film that's so bad that it cycles around and becomes interesting again. It's legitimately creepy and its mood is like that of found footage before that was a thing.
I actually try to watch it once a year. Every time you watch it, you discover something new about it.
I can not stand bad movies that are intentionally crappy, like Sharknado. A movie has to be unintentionally bad to be amusing. Delusional filmmakers and dying dreams are what make bad movies fun.
I've watched most of MST3K, including the Manos episode. And I think that show can explain your point pretty well. Some of the movies on MST3K are so bad, even a funny commentary can't make them entertaining (Teenagers from Outer Space, Eegah, Space Mutiny, etc). While on the other hand, I've seen a few movies on that show which were actually....kinda entertaining. Like Puma Man, Time Chasers or Jack Frost. Jack Frost especially, while being about as weird as many of the other films, has an actual coherent story and was so outlandish that I was interested to see where it went. In this way, I would put it up on the same level as a movie like Judge Dredd, my go to "so bad its good" movie. Though clearly neither movie is good at all, they're terrible. But like you said, there's some movies that are terrible and still entertaining.
Also, nice sneaking in of The Phantom Menace there.
In the quest to answer the question "What Makes A Movie So Bad It's Good?", I suggest consideration of the "Decker" series by adult swim. A show built around hyperbolic bad everything. Acting, sets, dialogue, effects, casting, etc.
The one part that you touched on, but didn't fully address is the failure in genuine intent. Many Hollywood films are cynical and the scrutiny is based on whether it would make money rather than whether it's good. The reason that SBIG films tend to be low budget, is that the only intent is to create something beautiful, we never doubt their intentions they just fail. One of the functions of humour is to diffuse social tension, SBIG films are the tension that keeps on giving