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All your points are spot on! I have one and the only complaint I have is it's not wide enough! Hate my arms dangling off the sides but I manage to kind-of lay partly on my side or put some of my clothes off the sides to lay my arms on. I really enjoy this in a Hot Tent with a closed cell foam pad underneath me.
Arms dangeling is one thing, it should be wide enough that arms/shoulders are not in contract with the hard frame. If i were using this and perfectly center, my shoulders would barely miss bouth sides. Anything elss than perfect center and 1 shoulder is on the frame, checked a few online stores and none of them list bed or mattress that small...
I'm a side-sleeper with a dodgy hip. Although the Lite Cot was better than Thermarest's offering, it's very firm and still leaves me aching a bit in the morning (especially on cold nights - the lack of any insulation from cold air underneath just makes things worse). I'll try combining it with a decent insulated pad next time I'm out - but that's pushing the weight to about 2kg. Looks a bit like Sutton Park in the video ....
Hi Charles, you're spot on with your location observation. Good skills! A sleeping pad on top of the cot is absolute luxury, but I can't justify that weight when wild camping. I find the cot very comfortable on it's own but that's a subjective opinion. Sorry to hear about your hip!
Have you considered attaching a fleece blanket or a down puffy blanket below the cot? Borrowing the idea of the underquilt from hammocking, of course 😂 I just bought a cot ( naturehike, 1/4 price, supports my weight ) and plan to do that once it gets a bit colder!
@@robertwillis4061 Yes, that would work! But since the cot has a 15cm ( 6" ) ground clearance there is a lot of volume to fill. Anything that reduces air circulation is definitely a plus! Maybe some fir branches or dried leaves/gras?
Nice review. I’m already a Helinox owner. Why? Because I’m larger than the average camping bear and break stuff. It’s all lightweight but in my experience stronger than anything heavyweight. More expensive yes but worth it in the long run. I have the following for base camp: cot one XL with the extension legs, chair one XL, Sunset chair, chair one L and my latest edition the table 4. Going back to the cot XL, it is far better than some mattresses if you like it firm. Thinking about ditching my bed at home it’s so comfy 😂
I'm glad someone agrees with me Tim! Most people watching have been pretty negative, but I've been blown away by the comfort of the cot. Expensive? Yes! But what price on sleep...?
I like it. I'm 6ft3 too so it's handy to get a good size fit. Maybe a smidge wider. Years ago I saw a French camp bed with tiny steel poles that folded up to the size of a beer can. This is about the same size as a bedroll. Nice video.
@@bredlify3079Alas no, I've looked all over the interweb on french sites but no luck. It's been a holy grail, short of designing it myself I'm at a loss.
I can see the merit when you build some kind of base camp on multiday hunts here in New Zealand. Getting dropped off by helo with all your kit is quite common here. A little extra comfort by shoving this under your regular pad would be a nice addition.
Discovered the cheap generic version of this over 42 years ago, it gets you off the ground and as long as you’ve got a good sleeping bag you get a good nights sleep 👍
@@CampingSecretsUK yes and the tent ⛺️ that I went round Europe with on my CB400 Honda when I was 21 😂 it’s a lot heavier than that one though but it was carried by the bike not me 🏍️
@@brian44graham love it!! Yes people assume that camping is just walking with your gear on your back, but that viewpoint ignores all other forms of transport. The bed is very good, but not suitable for all forms of camping - I freely admit this but probably didn't stress it enough in the vid.
I don't see that bed used inside my tent; it _will_ cause damage to the floor. Without tent, one should think about a bug net, which would be rather bulky. I am 6',6". I don't think it will fit me. 1,3 kilo? Well, it could be carried during a car trip maybe.
Little unsure off your point, " last thing you need is to pump up a sleeping mat whilst getting wet. " Why dont you pump up sleeping mat inside tent, you wont get wet 🤔. Less room needed to pump up air bed, than put that bed together.
Yeah good point - I guess I was thinking about using a stuff sack to grab air for pumping up a sleeping pad. There's no way you can do that in a little 1 or 2 person tent (at least I can't!). If you use a pump like the Flextail Mini then of course you're correct. Sometimes when filming these vids we all say something dumb 😂
You managed to make putting the side poles in extremely difficult. Not ideal if one advocates the product. The way to do it is, Not outside. Spread it out. Insert poles slowly twisting and manoeuvring as you go. Only occasionally will you get one stuck once you have the knack of it.
A £6 Tukeke 12 foot hammock plus a down underquilt will cost half as much and afford you a far, far more comfortable sleeping solution, and with no more carried weight too. Just sayin’.
Not really, the long side poles can extend out of the tent. However, I do regret saying this bit as a sleeping pad can obviously also be blown up in a tent - I was thinking of the stuff-sack bellows technique which can take some room to fill the bellows. Overall it was a dumb comparison
A cot that lift you off the ground 2 inches. A cot that is not that wide. A cot that is easier to take down than assemble. A cot that is 270 pounds/350 USD. Other than that who wouldn't want to buy a cot that you can fold up and carry. 😂😂😂😂
3 minutes? 😂. 👎. The price point and “ease “ of assembly are what pushed me to the NatureHike one. You HAVE to get the longer legs in my opinion. Thanks for the review sir!
Yeah, you probably should have done this indoors, or at the most in your own garden/backyard. I kind of got irritated watching you fiddle with it blowing all over the place in the wind and you putting it down then changing your mind and piking it up again to explain something else.
Yeah sorry about that. You can only work with the footage you get. I watched the video back and it's pretty boring when I'm trying to put it up. I like the drone shots tho 😂
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All your points are spot on! I have one and the only complaint I have is it's not wide enough! Hate my arms dangling off the sides but I manage to kind-of lay partly on my side or put some of my clothes off the sides to lay my arms on. I really enjoy this in a Hot Tent with a closed cell foam pad underneath me.
Yup, you nailed it! A lot of people saying I'm crazy recommending this bed, but it works for me under the right conditions
Arms dangeling is one thing, it should be wide enough that arms/shoulders are not in contract with the hard frame.
If i were using this and perfectly center, my shoulders would barely miss bouth sides. Anything elss than perfect center and 1 shoulder is on the frame, checked a few online stores and none of them list bed or mattress that small...
I have an Alps Mountaineering version and I adore it.
I'm a side-sleeper with a dodgy hip. Although the Lite Cot was better than Thermarest's offering, it's very firm and still leaves me aching a bit in the morning (especially on cold nights - the lack of any insulation from cold air underneath just makes things worse). I'll try combining it with a decent insulated pad next time I'm out - but that's pushing the weight to about 2kg.
Looks a bit like Sutton Park in the video ....
Hi Charles, you're spot on with your location observation. Good skills! A sleeping pad on top of the cot is absolute luxury, but I can't justify that weight when wild camping. I find the cot very comfortable on it's own but that's a subjective opinion. Sorry to hear about your hip!
Have you considered attaching a fleece blanket or a down puffy blanket below the cot?
Borrowing the idea of the underquilt from hammocking, of course 😂
I just bought a cot ( naturehike, 1/4 price, supports my weight ) and plan to do that once it gets a bit colder!
@@alexandergutfeldt1144Could you put your jacket and spare clothes under the cot at act as insulation? Would be best if they are dry only
@@robertwillis4061 Yes, that would work! But since the cot has a 15cm ( 6" ) ground clearance there is a lot of volume to fill. Anything that reduces air circulation is definitely a plus! Maybe some fir branches or dried leaves/gras?
Nice review. I’m already a Helinox owner. Why? Because I’m larger than the average camping bear and break stuff. It’s all lightweight but in my experience stronger than anything heavyweight. More expensive yes but worth it in the long run. I have the following for base camp: cot one XL with the extension legs, chair one XL, Sunset chair, chair one L and my latest edition the table 4. Going back to the cot XL, it is far better than some mattresses if you like it firm. Thinking about ditching my bed at home it’s so comfy 😂
I'm glad someone agrees with me Tim! Most people watching have been pretty negative, but I've been blown away by the comfort of the cot. Expensive? Yes! But what price on sleep...?
I like it. I'm 6ft3 too so it's handy to get a good size fit. Maybe a smidge wider.
Years ago I saw a French camp bed with tiny steel poles that folded up to the size of a beer can.
This is about the same size as a bedroll.
Nice video.
Cheers bud. We need to find that French camp bed!!
Cheers bud. We need to find that French camp bed!!
You have any idea how to find that french bed? 🙏🙏🙏
@@bredlify3079Alas no, I've looked all over the interweb on french sites but no luck. It's been a holy grail, short of designing it myself I'm at a loss.
I can see the merit when you build some kind of base camp on multiday hunts here in New Zealand. Getting dropped off by helo with all your kit is quite common here. A little extra comfort by shoving this under your regular pad would be a nice addition.
Yeah I think it has its place for sure if you're not as bothered about weight
Use snow foam...
Discovered the cheap generic version of this over 42 years ago, it gets you off the ground and as long as you’ve got a good sleeping bag you get a good nights sleep 👍
Love it Brian - have you still got the original?
@@CampingSecretsUK yes and the tent ⛺️ that I went round Europe with on my CB400 Honda when I was 21 😂 it’s a lot heavier than that one though but it was carried by the bike not me 🏍️
@@brian44graham love it!! Yes people assume that camping is just walking with your gear on your back, but that viewpoint ignores all other forms of transport. The bed is very good, but not suitable for all forms of camping - I freely admit this but probably didn't stress it enough in the vid.
I don't see that bed used inside my tent; it _will_ cause damage to the floor.
Without tent, one should think about a bug net, which would be rather bulky.
I am 6',6". I don't think it will fit me.
1,3 kilo? Well, it could be carried during a car trip maybe.
So many other similar cots like this one on the market that are easier to set up.
Find one at 1.2kg rather than 2kg and I'll agree with you
Little unsure off your point, " last thing you need is to pump up a sleeping mat whilst getting wet. "
Why dont you pump up sleeping mat inside tent, you wont get wet 🤔.
Less room needed to pump up air bed, than put that bed together.
Yeah good point - I guess I was thinking about using a stuff sack to grab air for pumping up a sleeping pad. There's no way you can do that in a little 1 or 2 person tent (at least I can't!). If you use a pump like the Flextail Mini then of course you're correct. Sometimes when filming these vids we all say something dumb 😂
I've looked at these in the past, but think I was put off by their lack on insulation
Good to see you Phil! Been up on Kinder today. Keep up the vids!
Why don't you compare the alternative to a sleeping pad with a sleeping pad in size?
My next vid! 😂👍
@@CampingSecretsUK not sure what you are trying to say here, but ok.
You managed to make putting the side poles in extremely difficult. Not ideal if one advocates the product. The way to do it is, Not outside. Spread it out. Insert poles slowly twisting and manoeuvring as you go. Only occasionally will you get one stuck once you have the knack of it.
Thanks for the input. The product is great - I never said the demonstrator is 😊
A £6 Tukeke 12 foot hammock plus a down underquilt will cost half as much and afford you a far, far more comfortable sleeping solution, and with no more carried weight too. Just sayin’.
That's a whole new idea for a video! 😂
Hammocks suck for treeless locations and side sleepers
Problem
A lot of campingsites in the Benelux/ Germany/ France doesnt allow tarps / hammock or doesnt have trees on the hikerplaces!
You say you can do that in the tent in case of rain. This must be a very large tent indeed…
Not really, the long side poles can extend out of the tent. However, I do regret saying this bit as a sleeping pad can obviously also be blown up in a tent - I was thinking of the stuff-sack bellows technique which can take some room to fill the bellows. Overall it was a dumb comparison
A cot that lift you off the ground 2 inches. A cot that is not that wide. A cot that is easier to take down than assemble. A cot that is 270 pounds/350 USD. Other than that who wouldn't want to buy a cot that you can fold up and carry. 😂😂😂😂
It is expensive, there's no doubt on that front. I find it comfortable. What do you use for sleeping?
The hammock is the best way to sleep in my opinioni! ❤️
3 minutes? 😂. 👎. The price point and “ease “ of assembly are what pushed me to the NatureHike one. You HAVE to get the longer legs in my opinion. Thanks for the review sir!
1.2kg? No. Not for backpacking.
I use it on short walks with a wild camp. Too heavy for long hikes
It's maybe good for motorbike camping weight wise... In which case it should ideally be wider
That's not an option for long distance/thru hiking. And not a cold weather option, no R value. And not an option for me.
Yeah totally understand. I only recommend it for short walks from the car, say a couple of miles
What is the R value of the bed? 😂
Haha, good question!!!
Close to zero. Which is GREAT for hot summer nights. You will need something more under you when the weather is cold.
Wow, that takes more time than setting the whole camp up…
Haha
And in Winter with cold air circulating underneath? Ah! put a sleeping mat on it..Hang on!! What? 🙃
Haha yeah good point - bit dumb, but VERY comfy!
Comfort 10. Insulation 0. Not too practical for backpackers. Will do if you are cottagers looking to add a bed for a friend.
Haha brilliant
Yeah, you probably should have done this indoors, or at the most in your own garden/backyard. I kind of got irritated watching you fiddle with it blowing all over the place in the wind and you putting it down then changing your mind and piking it up again to explain something else.
Yeah sorry about that. You can only work with the footage you get. I watched the video back and it's pretty boring when I'm trying to put it up. I like the drone shots tho 😂
plenty of room… 😮
Well it's not a double! 😂
It’s not even a single
How much!
Thats an absolute p1$$ take.
People really do have more money than sense.
It is a crazy price for sure. I mean in the summer I've slept pretty well on the tent floor directly
$300+ is just stupid greed.
Agreed
Build the more affordable version and I will buy yours.
@@jmorrison5206 no need. Naturhike sells various models $70-$150 that can hold 330lbs.
😅😅😅300€ für ein Hobbit Feldbett. Da gibt es besseres !👎👎👎🇩🇪
😂 Not at 1.2kg
terrible for side sleepers
Perfect for side sleepers. I own one. Love it 🥰
Not my experience