Royale Ratios & Ryan Gosling's Skates - Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- A bit more of a long form approach to this video. We talk about rollerblading / inline skating related topics which have been on our minds over the past few weeks including theories on Royal positions, building a skatepark in our car park, What are red bull up to, a new way to sponsor skate contests, CJ documentary and Barbie movie.
With:
Jake Eley
Harry Abel
Gaston Demoratti
Research & graphics:
Duncan Barton
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:25 Winterclash
2:05 LocoYard
5:08 RUclips premium
7:15 Royale Ratios
16:18 Get Set Frames
19:02 Red Bull Don't Look Down
23:16 Loco Uploaded
27:47 CJ Documentary
32:35 Butlins Skating Shows
35:26 Barbie Movie
40:25 Outro
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How's everyone feeling about the general podcast format?
It works. Definitely should continue to leverage your position in the industry to inform your future content. Technical details on skates and products is certainly interesting. Especially when you consider that many of us haven't been in a actual skate shop since the early 2000s, if ever.
Solid.
Love this.
Quality! I’d rather have fewer long form vids than more short ones
I really like the casual feel to it. Just in the office having a chat about blading but also going into great detail. I’d like to see more.
And I feel like Joe has that fishbrain stall also.
id like to see a video on all the dirtbox era videos with Harry and Scott. just some back stories about making them and such. since i feel they were pretty impactful
Love the content guys 👍 wasn't sure if the royal ratio was a late April fools 😂 but essentially the 1:1 or 100 in your scale would be a perfect 45 degree angle, so anything over this is more stood up, anything less more boned over 👍
I like the podcast format! I know it’s an extra cost to get it on a podcast feed but from memory it’s not much and it’d be easier for a lot of people to listen that way. I in terms of videos I’d like to see, I really am a simple man, but I just want to see games of skate. I rinsed through Haffey’s and they’re so good, and then they just end. I NEED MORE. And there are so many good Uk bladers! Blake vs Paul! Battle of the London OGs!!!
Boot down angle idea...
Use a protractor to find max lean angle and as a online image to show people the max lean angle.
eg. soul plate width equals 30mm, frame height equals18mm, join those measurements up on paper to create a triangle. On the protractor place the frame measurement in the centre line of the protractor, observe the angle on the protractor. In this case 31 degrees, meaning you have to lean 31 degrees to reach max lean angle.
Examples:
S (Soulplate width(30mm) + F (Frame height(18mm) = D (31)
If a soul plate is 30mm and a frame is 30mm it would have a 45 degree man lean angle, any equal S + F measurement will always result in a 45 degree max lean angle.
A S + F where the S is smaller than the F measurement means a much bigger max lean angle, so if you have a big soul plate but a small frame height then you could lean less, and if you have a big frame height and a small soul plate lot more lean...
I think, it's what I've been doing
just use trig to find the angle, publish the angle.
@@AceSkates i think it's 90' - arc tan (soulplate width / frame height) / pi * 180
@@retobue I think you can simplify it if you let the contact point of the soul plate be your opposite, and you can assume the soulplate to frame angle to be 90, then you can just use tan, no? The frame-soul-rail sides are essentially three sides of a right angled triangle
@@AceSkates Yes I guess you can simplify that to arc tan(frame height / soulplate width) / pi * 180, thanks (probably started with a too complicated sketch). Assumed the soul plate to frame angle to be 90 anyway🙂
A huge factor in this is how much flex there is in the boot. For example, with a Roces Fifth Element, you can "bone" the skate over onto the soul plate with your legs perfectly straight because there's so much give in the plastic. With the USD Aeon, it's much stiffer, so you need to bend a little.
Was just about to write the same thing
Absolutely flex in the boot and how loose you keep your skates I used to know some kids wouldn't even tighten there skates they looked so ridiculous and wobbly and uncontrollable but man did it change the whole game once you got used to riding in loose boots I rode semi loose in my valo EB 1s
I would love a podcast on #pants leg opening sizes in conjunction with different shell sizes to find out the optimum #pants to boot fit.
I'm very very sorry for being a know-it-all here, but I can Help you Out with the maths:
Your "Ratio" (Soul Plate width divided by frame height) can be transferred into an Angle by the trigonometric function "arc Tan" (inverse function of Tangens). Your example 35 mm / 30 mm = 1,17. Arc Tan of 1,17 is 49,5°.
This Angle represents how far your leg has to tilt:
small Angle = very strong tilting (more difficult royale) in your example 0,83 -> 39,7°
large Angle = less tilting (easier royale) in your example 1,85 -> 61,6°
Special Case: Soul Plate width identical to frame height: "1" equals 45°
The Beauty about that is that it Brings together in an identical way what Lawrence from 50/50 did and your work as mentioned below by Asim Önder.
Lawrence measures 48° for Aeon 60 which is different to yours, but the exact numbers depend on where/what you measure and the real geometry of the royale grove. But the overall Trend is almost identical.
I'd wish I could skate as good as I'm with trigonometry... 🙃
Btw. I skate Razors SLs with self-Made Backslide Plates to have a really large Angle. Every cheating is helpful as a 42 year old aggressive skater 😊
Yep, that’s what I meant to say 😂
I think a better method of measuring the royale angle would be to place the skate boot down on a rail and measure the angle that the skate sits on. The royale ratio measurement seems a bit odd as I imagine that the cult is close to the M12 as Jake said, but the shape of the plate made the measurements wonky.
It would also be a good idea to use the same frame for all skates. Something like a Fluid IV will make your royales more stood up whereas a 50/50 balance requires a bit more bone over.
THIS. The degrees would really help actually.
I've been thinking about this for a while and wanting to design an online tool that can calculate the 'Royale angle' between any frame and boot that people could reference when buying online... the issue with the pythagorean approach you're using is that frames with squared off h-blocks (like the one you're showing) grind at a significantly deeper angle than hblocks with more of an ark (ie where the hblock is shorter at the framewall and taller in the center of the frame--like a kaltik). If you're publishing the royale angle for complete skates, just set it on a prail, drop a string from the top of the cuff, and measure the angle from that string to the injection mold seem running up the back of the cuff with a protractor. It's much more straightforward than the soul to hblock ratio you're using and also more correct of a measurement.
I agree that as you break-in a frame, the royale angle gets less deep. I don't think that matters when it comes to selling gear though. If people are skating gritty enough stuff to grind down their hblocks enough for it to matter, they are experienced enough to understand what that does to a skate.
If you want to do a more general tool so that people can compare their current frames (in new condition, at least) with other frames, reply to this and let me know. I have ideas. I think having a tool like that online would be really useful to those who don't have a blade shop near them.
Liking the long form chill style on this one
A blading podcast that's actually in person in the year of our lord 2023 finally 🙌🙌
Measuring backslide angle is a great idea, been suggesting it to shops for years, but expressing it as a ratio is just massively unintuitive.
Just get a piece of coping-size pipe, lay it flat on a table, set the skate on it in a backslide, measure the angle from vertical using a protractor or angle finder on the vertical seam that most boots have running up the heel of the shell and cuff.
This is much more intuitive as a larger angle means you have to bend the skate over more to get boot-down. Smaller angle, less bending.
The ratio thing is a good idea to bake into the back end of the website. If you worked out the geometry details (backslide X-Y position, UFS channel depth, frame groove position, etc.) and stored those as data on the boots and frames, then have a parts picker feature that calculates your backslide angle and displays just that. On individual frames and boots, just display some kind of 1-5 "backslide index" that shows generally how deep you'll need to go, and give an angle on the whole skate. Then you'd have an extremely overthought, but cool, piece of consumer friendly marketing.
@@BrandonShatley That'd be a really cool final goal, but that's a lot to accomplish as a first step. I think initially it'd be more realistic for Loco to do a simple measurement like I suggested, this could be done for every complete skate in every size in a few hours. 80% of the benefit for 20% of the work.
I think what you're actually looking for is the degree of the smallest of the angles of the right triangle created by frame wall, plate width and hypothetical rail (calculated as “sin”)~ as it is the ratio of the frame height opposite the angle to the length of the triangle's hypotenuse (distance between the top of the frame and edge of the plate.) As mentioned previously by Craig Beale, a 1:1 ratio implies that the frame height and plate width are equal, thereby creating a 45 degree angle. The more "boned over," the smaller the degree of the angle.
You could find the angle in degrees using Trig. Tan X =opp/adjacent. So that would be Tan(-1) x soul width divided by frame hight
Hey i feel entertained by the format. It has a great vibe of hanging out with the lads. I want to thank you Guys for the Rollerblade sk i bought at winterclash. I've put a element 60 with those extraordinary good Revolver wheels under and love them very much.
enjoyed the conversation, LOVE GET SET! Like the royale ratio idea and as for redbull... turns out they do actually sell a sh*t ton of drinks ... one recent year saw them making 6B on drink sales worldwide..... I also have NEVER bought one, but I love their content.
Redbull are really interesting company. I watched a YT video on them recently; apparently they're technically not a drinks company at all, but a promotions and marketing company!
I think that the better way to measure the Royale Ratio would be to see what the degree angle is in the Royale position. This would be WAY easier to understand since we already use this system to measure spins.
If you want the angle in degrees you take the percentage of the angle (here 1.17) and do a TAN-1(1.17) and you have 49.5° if it's a 1 on 1 it's 45
Your "royale ratio" is just one step short of trigonometry, if you were to take the tangent of that ratio it would give you the angle that people would need to lean at to lean onto the frame.
Everyone who said "when will I ever use this" in Trig class at GCSE maths, this, this is exactly when you will use trig. You could also publish the angle because people understand lean angles more than ratio.
This is delightfully nerdy and I am here for it.
Just an FYI, the Opera browser on phones plays youtube videos without ads. It won't allow you to lock the screen, you need other tricks for that. But thats a free ad-free youtube method on phones.
@8:11 in skiing it's referred to as inclination - to incline into a turn is to essentially tip your body with the soul of your foot (royal groove) as the pivot point - tip to one side
Big up Gaston helping me choose my skate set up…Great advice and helped a lot, and can’t wait for them to arrive!Keep it up boys!🤘
This is so helpful and informative. Thanks guys 💪
Lawrance of 50/50 did a similar thing on his channel at "how to royal" kind of video, measuring the tilting angle of couple of skates. Presenting a ratio is a cool idea as well from sales perspective.
Yep Law went into a lot of detail on that one
I just had an amazing weekend of basically doing this exact thing. Love the format. Just dudes chilling that love skating. You don’t get this in the regular parts of life, only with your skate friends.
Enjoyed this one look forward to more like this
Aaawwww. I was fully ready for a 45 minute Nerdgasm
I would not use RUclips if I didn't have premium. The best.
I think best way to measure royale would be to take a picture and measure the angle in post. Similar to how law did it in the back to blading royale tutorial. Royale ratio was pretty funny to listen to though 😂
So I guess Jake really needs to watch Dance Mix '96 and Zone. I don't think anyone does skate video audio mixing better than Joey McGarry and his editing speaks for itself.
Yes, I definitely should!
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A good way to test a theory is trying to disprove it. One way of doing that is taking it to an extreme. If your frame height and soulplate width are both 4 cm then that is a 45 degree angle. However, if your frame height and soulplate width is both 10 meters that would also be a 45 degree angle but with those dimensions it would be impossible to go boot down.
I know it sounds rediculous, but the point is that more things factor in, like thickness of baseplate, heelraise, angle of soulplate (gawds are tilted), angle of bs plate grove, height of person, width of feet, flex in the boot and probably more:)
To be more realistic, a 10 cm frame height on a 45 degree angle would not feel the same as a 5 cm frame height on a 45 degree angle. And a boot with a lot of material between your foot and the frame (like the FR) would not feel the same as a boot with very little material (like the shadow), even if the angle was the same.
Loving the long form content. Feel free to make these discussions even longer. You’ve got me seriously thinking about YT premium now as well. And yes it is way better than Instagram.. you know what’s up 👌
Would love to see videos of how you build some of the bigger ledges/obstacles. that barcalona ledge looks intriguing!
I would like to see this royal ratio stat and ALSO which skate is how stiff compared to others. Like a stiff and softness(bendiness) meter
Wow you guys read my mind I was just thinking about the royale ratio for the last couple of days
absolutely into the getset idea!
Enjoyed the podcast format and I agree with YT Premium, once you've tried it you can't go back!
As others have said just a picture of the skate boot down on a rail with the angle would be the easiest way to understand, rather than getting all mathematical. Tbh I feel like the majority of people roughly know the boot down angle of most skates, but any extra info is a good thing right.
you prob already know everything im about to say, but just in case (since this is going on your website as a reference).... when you do those measurements, you gotta measure not the soul plate, but the closest point to the boot on the backslide groove. also, you shouldn't measure the total height of the H block, you gotta measure from where the tapered part of the groove starts. like the featherlite 4 has a really tall H block, but there is a significant taper on the sides to make boot-down easier.
Ennui city wrist guard: can also confirm that these can be used as medical splints! I crushed a nerve in my armpit a few years back that controlled all the use of my hand, so my hand and fingers were completely paralysed until my nerve gradually grew back after a few months. I used the Ennui city brace as a splint instead of the one from the NHS because it was way more comfortable.
Also just a thought with the royale ratio, should you take the cuff height into account too? E.g USD Carbons or Iqons that use the USD VII soul frame would have a pretty stood up royale because they're low so you could stand up well, however Xsjados have possibly the most generous soul space ever made but are much taller so you need to get lower for your royale with them.
I've never seen a video on international sales and distribution. There's many new companies coming out that would like to have their product sold in different countries. It seems difficult to navigate for new companies.
Some countries have different skating companies and are hard to purchase. Brazil sticks out, but I'm sure there's a few countries like that. There aren't a lot of skate shops that have experience in international sales. I enjoy the roundtable approach you have on your videos and talking things through. Keep up the good work fellas!
36:07 what isn't ridiculous though, kicking a bag of wind between 3 posts, throwing a bag of wind through a hoop, I'd say skating is much harder and has much more variety than most sports, it's so addictive and fun, most people don't dare try because they're conscious of how they might look
Why not use angles? The angles the skate is when "boned down". So much easier for people to use eye measure and transfere it to reviews and stuff.
Yeah I dunno which is quicker to do though, ruler out for this or just stuck it on the edge of the desk and measure the angle. I'm curious either way cause I'm on Mesmers and if I get oysis or something I can see me having a massive Royale Ratio™️
YT premium is the only way
Think it might have to be done 😂
I agree, RUclips premium is awesome. I love it.
love it bois
In regards to the royale ratio, the method you're using to calculate doesn't quite work as nicely as one would hope. Since the frame wall thickness varies on each frame, that can effect the measurement of the soul groove distance and throw off the ratio. I think it's probably fine for a basic reference value across different setups since it's kind of an arbitrary number, but it might be more useful to just get a digital angle finder and use that instead. It's unfortunate, because I like the idea of having an easy number to calculate at home without any special tools as a way to compare different setups with others.
Yeah I think that was the issue with the featherlite frames on the Cult boot
As a beginner setup I skate Razor SL and Merry Munoz frame: 45/33 -> 1,36. This was the best i could get (maybe the FLT3 has similar figures). But compared to my Aeon 60, it is way easier to royal than before. But I would prefer angle measurements in addition.
as a person that has skated m12s with oysi frames...I think that the most boned over royales and backslides I've felt
Aeons to me felt fairly stood up, I was able to easily get boot down and it felt very good. I skate thems now and I definitely have to bone over way more.
Guys, I'm a physics engineer, I can easily come-up with a jig that you guys may 3D print to measure the royale ratio ;). I would rather use a number that more easily relates to the actual angle than that number. Although the ratio can also be translated into angular units ;)
Nice one lads, could the royale groove reference that 1.80 means 180'c being fully stood up?
Fractured my scaphoid and the Ennui city brace worked great😀👌
Edit. The idea of knowing the royal angle/ratio/pittedness is great!
if I learned anything today, ^^ this guy is clearly paid by Ennui
Always had nothing but decent interactions with Loco buying anything.
As for red Bull, I think because it’s the common drink served in clubs with vodka and in cocktails, that’s what makes them the money.
Yeah the boot down groove number: the other side of the triangle with the soul and frame measurements.
I’m trying to work out the ratio.. I feel like it would be easier like others said to put the skate on a rail and measure the angle? That would get rid of the extra tolerances of weird shaped grooves.
Can we have a video talking about wether the alignment of the h-block to your Royalle groove is important. It’s something I’ve never seen discussed and I get asked about it quite a lot by people not just in balding but outside of it too.
Also I remember seeing Doug Peel Yates on a red bull vert ramp in Milton Keynes…
On some K2250s first time seeing a vert ramp in person
Damn that’s old school haha
Definitely wanna see guess the skate
I love this type of tech talk. Given that I'm getting any younger I would favor skates where the groove would touch the ledge/rail earlier. I've got some sways with the stock kizer fluid IV frame and the old (gen 1) soulplate. Can anyone tell me if the new sway soulplate makes it easier to royale? :D
I'm on Farmer 2 sways with GC featherlites. I'm not finding it easy to get boot down on frontside royales....but I'm pretty sure that's a me thing. I can back farv no problem and managed to back royale first try.
"I was just exploring ideas and just seeing where that idea would take me next and yeah broken wrist"
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The love yard and upcoming ideas, shame you're so far away! What's your thoughts on a northern shop?
RUclips Premium: I use an app that mutes and cuts ads. And I just put my phone in my pocket, facing out, and try not to touch the screen!
Time to go and get a nice pitted roy done 😂
When i do a Royale I want that shit to look as if my ankles are fucking broken and completely sideways and I'm practically squatting down on my ankles
What is the Royale ratio of creates on medium Mesmer and creates on medium thems
I wish I knew the ratio on the Blanks before I got them. I was riding CO's and I've never felt so stand-uppy in my life. Torques were like fastslides practically. I put some Oysi's on though, that should make for a better ratio
That's very interesting! I need to be a bit more stood but to get back into it I think. Struggling to get boot down at the moment
Nice! Exactly what I was looking for, I can't get boot down as easily as back in the day. The bad news is I'm on Farmer 2 sways which should be pretty easy to get boot down 😂 I'm on GC featherlites, would I benefit from fluid 4s? Visually, they look like they have a deep groove
Fluid 4’s have a deeper groove and are lower in height so would mean you’d have to bend your ankles (bone over) less… if that’s what you’re after(?)
Im not sure what happened with customs at winterclash, but I work for a company called Frog bikes. My job is shipping out bikes to customers all over the UK, Europe and international. For Europe we use Mearsk to avoid DAP and DDP charges. We ship to there depot on Slough which gets sorted and then they send it to there depot in the the Nederland's. From there it gets shipped out to all our European customers. I wonder if at next year's winterclash you could send all you need to set up shop via Mearsk and then pick it up from there Nederland's depot on your travels? If interested I could put you through to the relevant people.
More shredding vids please.
What are the low risk grinds you would suggest for someone getting back in to skating at a similar age to you guys?
For me personally, I'd say souls on low obstacles and royales on higher obstacles. lot of people use Mizous and forward p-stars this as a safety/warm-up grind on lower objects... I'd advise getting right on top of those for the most style-points though!
ya thinking of doing color wheels ?
A video of the building of the loco park
You have to call yourselves the Scaffoldingers now ;)
This Boned Over Ratio or BOR is only for stock skates? You need to make a calculator that calculates for different frames.
RIP RichT 🙌🙏🏼
not sure why you guys seem to look down on wearing protective gear, especially when you consider the broken wrist.
v13 with a oysi classic will probably give you an average # but the we all know the lean will be extreme
Ben from irollerboot would do that 100%
On the royale ratio won’t it change depending on the size of the skate?
Interesting point. I suppose it would change per size for most brands if the soul plate groove placement was proportionate to the soul/foot size.
@@LocoSkates I’m not sure it was just a guess. You guys have a warehouse full of skates, you should pick one setup and calc the ratio for every size to see if it changes
So the closer the ratio is to 1:1 the more stood up you are?
The closer to 1:1, the closer you are to 45 degrees.
@@NISHIAKI ah yes, that makes more sense. 🫡
Or y'all could just upload audio to a podcast service? The money we would save! ☺️
Could a measurement from frame wall to the start of the backslide plate give a good idea of how much angle is needed to bone over?
Same measurements from top of the frame to the highest point of the H block could be used to create an angle figure when combining boots and frames…
I don’t think this ratio thing will work since nobody will ride skates stock they have preferred frames and even souls so you must factor in all these variables
So you copied ready to roll frame set ups like we have in America. Usually those are for parts in a pinch if you need bearings or wheels cheap then you just sell the frames or add them to the collection box.
I pay $10/mo for RUclips Premium and I get RUclips Music (formerly Google Play Music... basically Google's Spotify equivalent) with it. Worth every penny as I hate ads with a passion. I have no idea how people put up with them.
Maybe VPN to a US location and try buying the subscription from there? Could save a few bucks/quid.
Actually, it’s cheapest in India… so VPN to there!
For the royale ratios why don't you go with the angle the skate rest at on a level rail and give the angle in degrees then no one has to learn a new scale
Or allow us to filter skates by level of pit.
Like this idea!
Red bull makes money monetising their content
Love this channel but I'm sat here in Disbelief shaking my fist at the screen. You're using some random non descript number that won't make sense to anyone. generated from a irrelevant formula when there's a perfectly good system that's been used (almost) since the dinosaur's roamed the earth already. Degrees of Angle. 90° is leg straight up, 0° is knee scraping. The perfect royale angle is 45°. Want stood up easier grinds? Use setups that are >45°. Want steezy low royales? Use setups
You really can't blame the French for Brexit ... Blame your countrymen who voted for it. 😉
what are you being paid by youtube to plug their bs? stop it