Nice clean install. I can relate to the pain involved in getting the backing plate installed. I have a Scotty 1060 behind my seat on my old town AP 120. Not fun but definitely worth it. I use a 6lb ball with braided line. There is still some significant blow back when you start to get down beyond 70 feet. I’ve been playing with the idea of trying an 8lb ball.
Thanks! Our plan for this season is 8lb cannonballs, we used 5 and 6lb on the lake trollers so it should be fine, also thinking of trying a pancake style ball or fish shaped should help out with the drag, thanks for watching! 🙌
@ShenpaiWasTaken thank you! We have since moved her downrigger behind the seat to balance the kayak more. It's probably where we should have put it to begin with as it works much better there. Thanks for watching!
Pretty cool setup! Another option would be to take old or broken trolling rods with linecounters. Cut them down just the guide closest to the reel. Put some 50-60# braid in the reel and go!
Nice setup! I added the blue snubber to attach the ball. Might be a good idea incase you get snagged on the bottom. I mounted my downrigger to a custom bracket that slides in my boonedox landing gear and can run a electric motor on the other side if i want. It kind of evens it out too with weight distribution. Just came across your channel 👍any issues with running the pdl in saltwater?
Thanks! We'll be adding some snubbers as well, mostly because it's easier on the hands than trying to grab the line or close to the cannonball, those ball clips are sharp! Weight distribution is a little bit of an issue for us which were working on, with the bigger downrigger plus trolling with 8lb balls you definitely feel the difference! Zero issues running the pdl drive in the Salt, but we wash our kayaks, along with the drives and all our gear after every trip, a bit of a pain but protects our investment! Thanks for watching! 🙌
I felt the pain of cannon ball loss...I made a mistake and lost my 8lb cannon ball with all the line, snubber etc. I was tired and tried to fish at 120 ft in English Bay..ohh well....I also used Vlock behind the seat on the right side..very convenient...you have very nice fishing playground and it is fun to watch you fishing...thank you.
Oh no! That sucks! The v lock is the only way to go for mounting downriggers in our opinion, super solid as well as convenient, and a pretty easy install depending on where you put it, thanks for watching! 🙌
You guys are awesome and an inspiration to pursue a passion for adventure!!! Watching your adventures fishing for Cod and Salmon made me laugh out loud. I was however curious why when you hook up on big Salmon, you guys do not use a lightweight fighting belt to seat the butt of your rods in to give you extra leverage and control when landing the fish? I am new to Kayak fishing and found a great deal on an Old Town Bog Water.
Thanks so much! Appreciate the support! We've never tried a belt mostly due to the way that we fight the Salmon, we keep the fish behind us for as long as possible which might make fighting the fish more difficult than easier as we aren't facing the fish it might be hard to get the butt into the belt, it could possibly help in landing the fish like you said, might be a good video idea! Congrats on the Big Water! Welcome to the crazy world of Kayak Fishing! Thanks for watching!
Awesome setup! Would love to fish with you guys this summer. I’m usually fishing out of Depart. Bay in my outlaw yak. I’m curious as to how Kyle has his setup with the rod holder that goes high and across his lap
Thank you! We're always down for fishing with new people! We both run the same setup for rod holders and placement, we like having the rod in front of us so we can see when a fish hits, ruclips.net/video/FiOz6LXVLro/видео.htmlsi=9DoaULT4kAlNYXxJ This video explains the setup a bit better (skip to 15:40 for the rod holder) we'll be doing a full video soon on our Salmon trolling setup now that we both have our upgraded downriggers finished. Thanks for watching! 🙌
@@PacificNWfishingadventures Kyle decided to go with the Cannon Easy Troll because he's a traitor! 😂 it'll be interesting to see which one we like better!
We haven't used snap weights, we upgraded the downriggers to hopefully be able to troll as deep as possible with 6lb-8lb cannonballs, our Old setup we could really only use a 4lb ball which made our depth range pretty shallow especially when trolling 1.5-2mph with the blowback. It's a cool concept though we might have to try it out for shallower fishing, we'll try anything twice! 😂🤘 Thanks for watching!
does that scotty orca function correctly with a spinning or mooching reel? Or is it just for bait casters? What pound cannon ball are you tossing on the 1050?
Not 100% sure for spinning reels, I guess if the butt section of the rod was long enough it should work, it will work with mooching reels, the reel will facing up and you'll just have to spin when you pull it out. It's an extremely solid rod holder, great construction. 👍 we will be running an 8 lb cannonball this season on the 1050
Hi Guys, what is your opinion on Scotty vs Cannon downriggers, vertical vs horizontal handles, which one you think is easier to retrieve 6 or 8 lb weight from the depth. I much appreciate your opinion on this, thank you in advance.
@sergeychebotarev103 There's absolutely nothing wrong with Scotty Products we have and love a bunch of their gear. With that being said, for kayak fishing, we do prefer the Cannon style of downrigger. The bigger sizes of the Cannon downrigger, being vertical, get taller, not wider. Taking up the same amount of real estate on the kayak as the smaller downriggers. Where as the Scotty gets wider, so if you want a 2:1 ratio to be able to bring in the ball faster, it's going to take up more room on the kayak as the spool gets wider. Cannon also offers a 1.5:1 version of their downrigger, which is what we have, bringing the ball up a little bit quicker, but every little bit helps! One of the best things the Cannon has going for it is the handle, one handed operation is a huge plus, and you don't have to worry about the handle spinning around while lowering your cannonball, it's a wrist breaker! (Ask Crystal how she knows! 😆) also we've noticed that the Cannon downrigger has the ability to lower the ball slower depending how how far you push the handle, where the Scotty seems to be either on or off for the clutch with no slower descent speed. There's a few other better things about the Cannon downriggers, we're actually making a video to compare them both which should help show alot of what I'm trying to explain. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much Kyle for prompt reply. It does help a lot. I would like to have uni troll 5 but the price says to hold on. You didn't find the horizontal handle more convenient to retrieve the weight and i didnt think of handle hitting the hand....haha....so your experience of both models is super helpful. Big thank you. I will wait for your video....
@sergeychebotarev103 honestly I think positioning of the downrigger really determines how easy it will be to crank on, I think for downriggers mounted behind the seat like ours the Cannons are by far the easiest and most comfortable to reel in. But if the downrigger is mounted in front of the seat then I think the Scotty takes that one, as well the Cannon has the handle mounted on the right side of the downrigger with no way to switch sides. Just something else to keep in mind, and we'll definitely make sure we show all of that in the video!
@@kckayakfishing Solid points! Mine is installed behind the seat (like yours) on the right side and I have to reach over to crank it. It is still pretty good but after hours of cranking I get tired, trying to rush.....and that's how I lost my cable with all the terminals and weight. LOL. Lesson learned hard way. Thanks again for your thoughts; great info!
@sergeychebotarev103 ya it's definitely a work out after a few hours of fishing, with the Cannon were looking into possibly adding an electric drill to help bring the balls up. ruclips.net/video/NrXoa8fFzpM/видео.htmlsi=U_-VMVfnJCExV_jU Something like that!
On the Scotty Lake Troller we used the Scotty 343 locking Gunnel track mount. a.co/d/i1E3IvF It doesn't come with the lake troll but definitely a worthwhile upgrade for running it off of gear tracks, much better than using a scotty gear head.
Thank you! Not 100% sure which pad you mean so hopefully I answer your question OK 🤣 the only upgrades we've added to the PDL Drive are the pedals as well as the navarre kayak fishing PDL drives Spacers, there is a black rubber pad on the drive but that is just part of the EVA foam decking that comes with the kayak
Nice clean install. I can relate to the pain involved in getting the backing plate installed. I have a Scotty 1060 behind my seat on my old town AP 120. Not fun but definitely worth it. I use a 6lb ball with braided line. There is still some significant blow back when you start to get down beyond 70 feet. I’ve been playing with the idea of trying an 8lb ball.
Thanks! Our plan for this season is 8lb cannonballs, we used 5 and 6lb on the lake trollers so it should be fine, also thinking of trying a pancake style ball or fish shaped should help out with the drag, thanks for watching! 🙌
Really cool I really want to see it on the water to see the wait distribution and how everything plays out. Congratulations on monetization
@ShenpaiWasTaken thank you! We have since moved her downrigger behind the seat to balance the kayak more. It's probably where we should have put it to begin with as it works much better there.
Thanks for watching!
Looks great! I'm using the V-Lock foundation as well, but behind the seat (probably similar to Kyle's). Can't wait to get those baits down deep!
Yes! It's going to be a great year, we're thinking of running 8lb cannon balls either pancake or the fish style, should help get the baits down!
Congrats!!!
I like watching your videos, keep up the great work!!
@@txmexnittro appreciate your support! And thanks for watching! 🙌🙌
Congratulations 🎉
Thank You! 🙌🫶
Pretty cool setup! Another option would be to take old or broken trolling rods with linecounters. Cut them down just the guide closest to the reel. Put some 50-60# braid in the reel and go!
Thank you! 🙏
Absolutely, that would work! 🙌
Thanks for watching!
Nice setup! I added the blue snubber to attach the ball. Might be a good idea incase you get snagged on the bottom. I mounted my downrigger to a custom bracket that slides in my boonedox landing gear and can run a electric motor on the other side if i want. It kind of evens it out too with weight distribution. Just came across your channel 👍any issues with running the pdl in saltwater?
Thanks! We'll be adding some snubbers as well, mostly because it's easier on the hands than trying to grab the line or close to the cannonball, those ball clips are sharp! Weight distribution is a little bit of an issue for us which were working on, with the bigger downrigger plus trolling with 8lb balls you definitely feel the difference! Zero issues running the pdl drive in the Salt, but we wash our kayaks, along with the drives and all our gear after every trip, a bit of a pain but protects our investment! Thanks for watching! 🙌
I felt the pain of cannon ball loss...I made a mistake and lost my 8lb cannon ball with all the line, snubber etc. I was tired and tried to fish at 120 ft in English Bay..ohh well....I also used Vlock behind the seat on the right side..very convenient...you have very nice fishing playground and it is fun to watch you fishing...thank you.
Oh no! That sucks! The v lock is the only way to go for mounting downriggers in our opinion, super solid as well as convenient, and a pretty easy install depending on where you put it, thanks for watching! 🙌
You guys are awesome and an inspiration to pursue a passion for adventure!!! Watching your adventures fishing for Cod and Salmon made me laugh out loud. I was however curious why when you hook up on big Salmon, you guys do not use a lightweight fighting belt to seat the butt of your rods in to give you extra leverage and control when landing the fish? I am new to Kayak fishing and found a great deal on an Old Town Bog Water.
Thanks so much! Appreciate the support! We've never tried a belt mostly due to the way that we fight the Salmon, we keep the fish behind us for as long as possible which might make fighting the fish more difficult than easier as we aren't facing the fish it might be hard to get the butt into the belt, it could possibly help in landing the fish like you said, might be a good video idea! Congrats on the Big Water! Welcome to the crazy world of Kayak Fishing! Thanks for watching!
Congratulations to you both and well deserved.!! Great video and nice setup and looks great!! Have a good day and week.
Thank you! 🙏 and thanks for your support! 🫶🫶🫶
@@kckayakfishingyour welcome!
Awesome setup! Would love to fish with you guys this summer. I’m usually fishing out of Depart. Bay in my outlaw yak. I’m curious as to how Kyle has his setup with the rod holder that goes high and across his lap
Thank you! We're always down for fishing with new people! We both run the same setup for rod holders and placement, we like having the rod in front of us so we can see when a fish hits, ruclips.net/video/FiOz6LXVLro/видео.htmlsi=9DoaULT4kAlNYXxJ
This video explains the setup a bit better (skip to 15:40 for the rod holder) we'll be doing a full video soon on our Salmon trolling setup now that we both have our upgraded downriggers finished.
Thanks for watching! 🙌
Thought about this, but I like to run a little weight setup.
That works great too! 🙌
Looks great!
Thanks! It was a nightmare to install, but the end result turned out great!
Thanks for watching! 🙌
I use the same v-lock for my cannon too. Same location. It is a game changer. Looking forward to seeing you all fishing this angler system.@kfishing
@@PacificNWfishingadventures Kyle decided to go with the Cannon Easy Troll because he's a traitor! 😂 it'll be interesting to see which one we like better!
lol
@@kckayakfishing
@@kckayakfishingdid he put his cannon in the same spot ?
Looks super sturdy. Have you guys used a snap weight system before?
We haven't used snap weights, we upgraded the downriggers to hopefully be able to troll as deep as possible with 6lb-8lb cannonballs, our Old setup we could really only use a 4lb ball which made our depth range pretty shallow especially when trolling 1.5-2mph with the blowback. It's a cool concept though we might have to try it out for shallower fishing, we'll try anything twice! 😂🤘
Thanks for watching!
that's an upgraded aluminum gear track too, no?
Yes it is, they're Aluminum tracks from Pacific Yak Angler, they helped out a ton when running the scotty lake trollers off of the gear tracks.
Awesome! What are the dimensions of the V-Lock plate?
The mounting surface of the V-lock plate is 6" by 6" they only offer a 4"x4" or the 6"x6"
does that scotty orca function correctly with a spinning or mooching reel? Or is it just for bait casters? What pound cannon ball are you tossing on the 1050?
Not 100% sure for spinning reels, I guess if the butt section of the rod was long enough it should work, it will work with mooching reels, the reel will facing up and you'll just have to spin when you pull it out. It's an extremely solid rod holder, great construction. 👍 we will be running an 8 lb cannonball this season on the 1050
Hi Guys, what is your opinion on Scotty vs Cannon downriggers, vertical vs horizontal handles, which one you think is easier to retrieve 6 or 8 lb weight from the depth. I much appreciate your opinion on this, thank you in advance.
@sergeychebotarev103 There's absolutely nothing wrong with Scotty Products we have and love a bunch of their gear. With that being said, for kayak fishing, we do prefer the Cannon style of downrigger. The bigger sizes of the Cannon downrigger, being vertical, get taller, not wider. Taking up the same amount of real estate on the kayak as the smaller downriggers. Where as the Scotty gets wider, so if you want a 2:1 ratio to be able to bring in the ball faster, it's going to take up more room on the kayak as the spool gets wider.
Cannon also offers a 1.5:1 version of their downrigger, which is what we have, bringing the ball up a little bit quicker, but every little bit helps!
One of the best things the Cannon has going for it is the handle, one handed operation is a huge plus, and you don't have to worry about the handle spinning around while lowering your cannonball, it's a wrist breaker! (Ask Crystal how she knows! 😆) also we've noticed that the Cannon downrigger has the ability to lower the ball slower depending how how far you push the handle, where the Scotty seems to be either on or off for the clutch with no slower descent speed. There's a few other better things about the Cannon downriggers, we're actually making a video to compare them both which should help show alot of what I'm trying to explain.
Hope this helps! Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much Kyle for prompt reply. It does help a lot. I would like to have uni troll 5 but the price says to hold on. You didn't find the horizontal handle more convenient to retrieve the weight and i didnt think of handle hitting the hand....haha....so your experience of both models is super helpful. Big thank you. I will wait for your video....
@sergeychebotarev103 honestly I think positioning of the downrigger really determines how easy it will be to crank on, I think for downriggers mounted behind the seat like ours the Cannons are by far the easiest and most comfortable to reel in. But if the downrigger is mounted in front of the seat then I think the Scotty takes that one, as well the Cannon has the handle mounted on the right side of the downrigger with no way to switch sides. Just something else to keep in mind, and we'll definitely make sure we show all of that in the video!
@@kckayakfishing Solid points! Mine is installed behind the seat (like yours) on the right side and I have to reach over to crank it. It is still pretty good but after hours of cranking I get tired, trying to rush.....and that's how I lost my cable with all the terminals and weight. LOL. Lesson learned hard way. Thanks again for your thoughts; great info!
@sergeychebotarev103 ya it's definitely a work out after a few hours of fishing, with the Cannon were looking into possibly adding an electric drill to help bring the balls up.
ruclips.net/video/NrXoa8fFzpM/видео.htmlsi=U_-VMVfnJCExV_jU
Something like that!
Which base is on the Scotty Lake Troll downrigger? Is that the base it comes with? I see it is secured with what looks like large thumb type screws?
On the Scotty Lake Troller we used the Scotty 343 locking Gunnel track mount.
a.co/d/i1E3IvF
It doesn't come with the lake troll but definitely a worthwhile upgrade for running it off of gear tracks, much better than using a scotty gear head.
Thanks!
@@hooeydog no problem! Thanks for watching!
What base is that on the Scotty downrigger?
a.co/d/iRlx7Xn
It's the Scotty Swivel Pedestal Mount on top of the V-lock plate. 👍
Awesome set up!
What’s the pad on the pdl drive towards left side?
Thank you! Not 100% sure which pad you mean so hopefully I answer your question OK 🤣 the only upgrades we've added to the PDL Drive are the pedals as well as the navarre kayak fishing PDL drives Spacers, there is a black rubber pad on the drive but that is just part of the EVA foam decking that comes with the kayak
Or we also have the Navarre kayak fishing track mount on the top of the PDL Drive, just another option for adding cameras