Answering Progressive Christian Memes #2 : Is it a sin to smoke and drink? Do we Worship the Bible?

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  • Recently, a progressive Christian meme made the rounds that stated 22 beliefs about God, Christians, the nature of heaven and hell, and the exclusivity of Christianity. I asked Mike Winger to join me to help us think through these statements and analyze them through a biblical lens. Here's part 2!
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  • @nathanielkeane8462
    @nathanielkeane8462 3 года назад +404

    Satan in the garden “hath God REALLY said?” It’s the same playbook

  • @shamarwashington5574
    @shamarwashington5574 3 года назад +380

    I just think the name of “Progressive Christianity” is funny😂😂
    Because God is like, “I’m the same yesterday, today, tomorrow, and forever”
    And the “progressive” definition is: happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.
    It’s like they want an upgraded version of God and they can’t find Him in the Bible so they just assume stuff😂

    • @wadejnelson
      @wadejnelson 3 года назад +24

      Almost 100 years since J Gresham Machen’s Liberalism and Christianity and the Debate is still with us. Progressive Christianity is just another religion altogether, just as He concluded.

    • @fateisnotthesameforall4811
      @fateisnotthesameforall4811 3 года назад +8

      I couldnt have said it any better myself :)

    • @nathanielkeane8462
      @nathanielkeane8462 3 года назад +8

      You hit the nail on the head my friend

    • @TernaryM01
      @TernaryM01 3 года назад +5

      In fact, most evangelical Christians believe in Progressive Revelation.

    • @noobartist3762
      @noobartist3762 3 года назад +9

      Great point!
      you can't add or subtract anything from what is already perfect. Progressive Christianity is a satanic movement of wolves who come in sheep's clothing

  • @benwest3223
    @benwest3223 3 года назад +192

    Thank God for the clarity in this video. I feel like I've been drowning in shades of grey for years.

    • @ibealion1
      @ibealion1 3 года назад +4

      Ben, hopefully it's helped you to get serious about reading your Bible. What are you going to do when this guy isn't here to clear things up? In Amos it says that in the last days there will be a famine for the Word of God.

    • @rancellehiemua5386
      @rancellehiemua5386 3 года назад +4

      Thank God for you brother.

    • @brigitteseller8195
      @brigitteseller8195 2 года назад

      @@ibealion1 pppppppppppp

    • @brigitteseller8195
      @brigitteseller8195 2 года назад

      @@ibealion1 p

    • @bethl
      @bethl 10 месяцев назад

      Mike is so good at bringing clarity. He’s a valuable teacher, & I’ve studied the Word for 50 years. I learn much from him.

  • @fnjesusfreak
    @fnjesusfreak 3 года назад +104

    "Keep your mind open, but don't let your brain fall out."

    • @dahelmang
      @dahelmang 3 года назад +8

      You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything

    • @jenniferrundle6870
      @jenniferrundle6870 3 года назад +1

      😆 so good

    • @fnjesusfreak
      @fnjesusfreak 3 года назад

      @@dahelmang My fav Aaron Tippin song ;)

    • @GinKirk7256
      @GinKirk7256 2 года назад

      Actually we shouldn’t have an open mind but a cannon mind.

  • @MatthewSchellenberg
    @MatthewSchellenberg 3 года назад +63

    Regarding #17: You are in Yosemite above the waterfalls, admiring the river going over the cliff. There's a little fence along the bank of the river and a sign that says, "Do not cross the fence!" You decide to step over the fence anyway because you want to go swimming in the river. You step in the water and are swept away, and are heading straight for the cliff. Jesus happens to be nearby and sees this happening to you. He quickly fells a tree that lodges against a rock in the middle of the river, in order to intercept you and rescue you. He goes along the tree trunk to stretch out his hand and says, "Quick! Give me your hand or you'll die!" to which you respond, "I don't respond to threats." You swim around the tree trunk and head over the waterfall to your doom.

  • @danielledaniels9848
    @danielledaniels9848 3 года назад +76

    When the focus is taken off of Christ, we should be ALARMED!

    • @ibealion1
      @ibealion1 3 года назад +5

      I think that's the key to recognizing every false doctrine.

    • @danielledaniels9848
      @danielledaniels9848 3 года назад

      @@ibealion1 Amen!

    • @lestaricham8614
      @lestaricham8614 2 года назад +3

      I definitely agree with you! But I have to say that within the progressive Christianity is that they redefine who Christ is (e.g. universal christ, etc.) and if they redefine that, they take on a whole different view of who Christ/God is.

    • @danielledaniels9848
      @danielledaniels9848 2 года назад +1

      @@lestaricham8614 good point, but ONLY God defines who He is!

    • @lestaricham8614
      @lestaricham8614 2 года назад

      @@danielledaniels9848 Amen amen and amen to that!

  • @johndisalvo6283
    @johndisalvo6283 3 года назад +59

    The prodigal son “CAME TO HIMSELF” in the pig pen. He realized his sin and repented!!!!! Then went back to his father in HUMILITY!!! Asking his forgiveness, expecting nothing in return.

    • @kkb892
      @kkb892 3 года назад +1

      Dang. Well said.

    • @gregfisher
      @gregfisher 2 года назад +8

      In addition, the father in that parable did not turn the home into a brothel to lure the son back.

    • @johndisalvo6283
      @johndisalvo6283 2 года назад +1

      @@gregfisher Good point brother!

  • @pamelah6431
    @pamelah6431 3 года назад +64

    I just want to compliment Alisa as an interviewer and Mike as the guest. Very courteous, comfortable conversation to listen to.

  • @Gorillarevolta
    @Gorillarevolta 3 года назад +134

    2:04 Jesus's love
    5:09 the Word of God
    6:46 Bible worship
    11:09 Damnation and forgiveness
    16:20 God's name (other religions)
    20:24 Mercy and sacrifice
    24:47 Smoking
    27:51 Drinking
    29:59 Missing the mark
    33:23 the only Way to the Father
    41:15 Closing commentary love, shame, disagreement, the prodigal son
    44:45 Mike's words of encouragement

    • @mythbhavd
      @mythbhavd 3 года назад +1

      You can also watch each one broken down on Mike’s channel

    • @jamesmandahl444
      @jamesmandahl444 10 месяцев назад

      Your work is still appreciated years after your post.

  • @jacintowilliamson5597
    @jacintowilliamson5597 3 года назад +242

    Please pray for me... I'm struggling alot with my Faith and beliefs.... thank you

    • @nickkkk495
      @nickkkk495 3 года назад +2

      What are you struggling with?

    • @gigahorse1475
      @gigahorse1475 3 года назад +3

      Praying. :) If you want, I can give resources or help out in some way as best as I can.

    • @saviocarvalho6126
      @saviocarvalho6126 3 года назад +6

      Jacinto, I just prayed for you that God would reveal himself to you in a powerful way. God bless you brother.

    • @benreid9523
      @benreid9523 3 года назад +3

      Of course I’m praying for ya! The gospel is true and amazing! I’d love to send you some resources your way if you reply with some ways that you’re struggling! Stay strong:)

    • @joshjohnson2600
      @joshjohnson2600 3 года назад +2

      Look up the story of Jacob wrestling with the angel. Struggling and acknowledging the struggle will either forge you or melt you. The beauty of free will is we get to choose.

  • @tceestg5
    @tceestg5 Год назад +13

    I love how Mike explains forgiveness here. So deep and yet simple all at the same time ❤❤❤❤

  • @katrinaKJB1611
    @katrinaKJB1611 3 года назад +182

    Progressive Christians tend to focus on one aspect of God that makes them comfortable and doesn't convict. Which is exactly the place Satan wants people to be. We tend to forget that God is more than one thing and His love doesn't outweigh His pure holiness. God can't even be in the presence of sin which is the reason Jesus Christ came to pay the price so we could have fellowship restored with the Father.
    Exalt the Lord our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the Lord our God is holy.
    Psalms 99:9 KJV

    • @MrSASA51
      @MrSASA51 3 года назад +4

      no it doesnt- your opening statement is incorrect- and if god cannot be in the presence of sin then you deny the divinity of christ

    • @MrSASA51
      @MrSASA51 3 года назад +1

      What is a SJW? I like to understand insults directed at me

    • @MrSASA51
      @MrSASA51 3 года назад +1

      @Nick Miller then you have a very distorted view of PC.

    • @gareth2736
      @gareth2736 3 года назад +3

      @Nick Miller depends on definition of SJW...if you just means cancelling people or claiming everyone else is phobic I agree. If you are talking about caring about the economic well being of others and real issues of social justice then you are wrong. Evangelical charities like Tear fund that proclaim the gospel, run development projects in poorer countries and campaign on issues like debt forgiveness (Jublilee) and in favour of fair trade align very well with the teaching of the whole counsel of God.

    • @gareth2736
      @gareth2736 3 года назад +2

      @Nick Miller I care about social justice. I want trade to be fair, I want criminal justice to be free from racial bias, and I care more that poor people are economically lifted up than that the rich get richer still. I also believe the Bible, love Jesus and think that evangelism is important. Does this make you view me as a SJW and your enemy? Or would you view me as a Christian brother?

  • @elissabellajoy
    @elissabellajoy 2 года назад +10

    I don't think I'll ever understand the level of ignorance people in cults possess. The number seems to be growing, we'd better be storing the Word of God in our hearts day in and day out. Thank you, Alisa, Mike and everyone producing these very sober videos. I thank the Lord for your ministries and your faithful following 💖🙏🙌📖💦🔥

  • @fnjesusfreak
    @fnjesusfreak 3 года назад +41

    I have a saying: "To do the right thing for the wrong reason is to do the wrong thing."

    • @karlbrady5453
      @karlbrady5453 3 года назад +1

      WHAT?? How can NOT sinning be the wrong thing??

    • @karlbrady5453
      @karlbrady5453 3 года назад

      @Bryan mark Being forced to pay for someone's stupidity is not "giving". It is taking. Giving is voluntary

    • @kaufmanat1
      @kaufmanat1 3 года назад +4

      @@karlbrady5453 what's the Bible say about the rich men donating money to the temple, and doing so loudly for all to here? That's right, it says the women who gave two pence gave more than the praise seeking wealthy men. It's not about the action, it's about the heart. Otherwise it's just legalism. Sinning is a heart issue. So doing something that looks "good" with evil intent is still sin.
      If I'm married and I buy a women a drink with the intent to take her back to my hotel room and sleep with her, regardless of the outcome, was I being generous by giving someone a drink or was I being a sleaze bag? The answer is: Sleaze bag

    • @karlbrady5453
      @karlbrady5453 3 года назад

      @Bryan mark How can givng to someone exploit them? Your lack of understanding of the English language is appalling

    • @karlbrady5453
      @karlbrady5453 3 года назад

      @@kaufmanat1 Sheesh, did you pull the last example out of your ass, because it sure wasn't your brain.

  • @williamwarren601
    @williamwarren601 3 года назад +49

    I read 'Another Gospel'. Its a great read and a real help in understanding 'progressive Christianity'. Thanks Alisa for all your hard work. Every blessing in Christ from Belfast, Northern Ireland.

    • @slycooper7687
      @slycooper7687 3 года назад +1

      This other Gospel is not the Gospel of salvation buddy

    • @gareth2736
      @gareth2736 3 года назад +1

      @@slycooper7687 I'd stick to the four original gospels, we don't need another one.

    • @slycooper7687
      @slycooper7687 3 года назад +3

      @@gareth2736 that's exactly what I'm saying

    • @gareth2736
      @gareth2736 3 года назад +2

      @@slycooper7687 it was William I meant to Tag :-)

    • @yesyes7867
      @yesyes7867 3 года назад +9

      “Another Gospel” is the book Alisa wrote regarding progressive Christianity and how they essentially have created another or different gospel than what really is the gospel.

  • @andreaslacher1148
    @andreaslacher1148 3 года назад +68

    Only the believer is obedient, and only the obedient believes. - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

    • @Sherlock245
      @Sherlock245 3 года назад +1

      Please help spread this to all christian online.
      can some one speak out on this?? cyberpunk made blasphemous quest on crucifixion.
      read it here www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/12/23/we-need-to-talk-about-cyberpunk-2077s-most-messed-up-quest/
      It is, however, extremely surreal. You nail him to the cross, hoist him up, and you stand there until he dies, quoting Jesus as he does so

    • @troycarpenter3675
      @troycarpenter3675 3 года назад +1

      How about quoting God, not bonhoffer?

    • @Sherlock245
      @Sherlock245 3 года назад +1

      @@troycarpenter3675 will you help speak out??

    • @troycarpenter3675
      @troycarpenter3675 3 года назад

      @@Sherlock245 the blood of jesus christ cleanseth from all sin

    • @johntrevett2944
      @johntrevett2944 3 года назад +3

      @@troycarpenter3675 The corinthian church didn't look too obedient/spiritual yet Paul addresses them as "brethren."

  • @SusanClarkeatenterin
    @SusanClarkeatenterin 3 года назад +27

    What a very articulate and intelligent conversation. The Righteous posturing and passive/aggressive digs from this movement are so telling. I've had my own journey, like Alisa and I won't name names, but I realized after listening for a while, and participating in the movement, that eventually the message is very condescending. Also there is no room to challenge or discuss the points of scripture that are clearly expressing, holiness, Godly living. You cannot read the NT letters and believe that how we live is not important, ONCE we have been born again. The message is everyone is welcome, come! AND THEN... Be transformed into the image of the One who called you out of darkness!! These two videos are really good. I would love to know where that article was posted. If there is a way for you to give me that info, I would appreciate it. I am a bible teacher/missionary in Guatemala C. A. God Bless you!

    • @Sherlock245
      @Sherlock245 3 года назад

      Please help spread this to all christian online.
      can some one speak out on this?? cyberpunk made blasphemous quest on crucifixion.
      read it here www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/12/23/we-need-to-talk-about-cyberpunk-2077s-most-messed-up-quest/
      It is, however, extremely surreal. You nail him to the cross, hoist him up, and you stand there until he dies, quoting Jesus as he does so

    • @benreid9523
      @benreid9523 3 года назад +1

      Hi Susan! Praying for you and your ministry:) much love continue to seek truth, live righteously and love well!!

  • @objectivereality1392
    @objectivereality1392 3 года назад +4

    SOLA SCRIPTURA!
    If the foundations of one's so-called "Christian beliefs" are coming from anything but scripture, they have no leg to stand on.

  • @glendagetagripfull
    @glendagetagripfull 3 года назад +36

    Whaddo you meme???? @8:10 . We see you, Mike . 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @justice3043
    @justice3043 3 года назад +6

    You guys are so patient and so kind. These issues should be absolutely too easy to get one's head around based on the text alone. A person shouldn't even need commentaries to get the answers to these questions. Your work is really important. It takes the kind of patience that you and people like Mike Winger have 2 Shine the Light on these subjects because I would just throw my hands up in the air. Mike Winger seems to be one of the most humble Bible nerds on RUclips. I mean that of course with great compliment.

  • @katherinegrey9295
    @katherinegrey9295 3 года назад +67

    Could you maybe do a video on the channel “God is Grey”? She is a progressive Christian who teaches false doctrine to her large number of followers. Would love to hear your thoughts about her teachings!

    • @darnellpistachio2991
      @darnellpistachio2991 3 года назад +1

      I have lots of time....time to assault those comment boxes with truth.

    • @midwifeohyeah22
      @midwifeohyeah22 3 года назад +5

      I follow her! Very strange teachings and a lot of people agree with her though :( it really made me sad.

    • @anbioh8308
      @anbioh8308 3 года назад

      Yes! Please address her videos.

    • @secondnature4891
      @secondnature4891 3 года назад +4

      Most of the people agreeing with her are non-religious

    • @benjaminkramer1569
      @benjaminkramer1569 3 года назад +3

      I agree, one of my best friends follows her and I'm worried her faith is going to sway

  • @connienichols7584
    @connienichols7584 3 года назад +3

    "the use of liberty can stumble others". Good thing to ponder 🤔

  • @melindamercier6811
    @melindamercier6811 3 года назад +54

    Clear, reasonable, logical answers. Another great video to go along with part 1. I could comment my opinion on every single issue presented here, but I’d just be reiterating everything you both said here lol. Thank you for this!

    • @Sherlock245
      @Sherlock245 3 года назад

      Please help spread this to all christian online.
      can some one speak out on this?? cyberpunk made blasphemous quest on crucifixion.
      read it here www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/12/23/we-need-to-talk-about-cyberpunk-2077s-most-messed-up-quest/
      It is, however, extremely surreal. You nail him to the cross, hoist him up, and you stand there until he dies, quoting Jesus as he does so

    • @tintinismybelgian
      @tintinismybelgian 3 года назад

      @@Sherlock245 Wow... I'm shocked, really... shocked that the world would make a mockery of Jesus. This is absolutely unprecedented. Call the newspapers. Maybe, this'll make the front page.

    • @Sherlock245
      @Sherlock245 3 года назад +1

      @@tintinismybelgian losing heart on the matter no christian streamer wants too. If the article is not moving the Christian circle then what hope for a worm like me??? Maybe you can share the link with others and spread it hopefully am apologetic streamer will talk about it. Why zero interest in conservative circle??
      And now there is bigger issues like what is going on with ravi so that is another burden. Christian circle quick to throw stone and there is no mercy.😢😢

    • @tintinismybelgian
      @tintinismybelgian 3 года назад

      @@Sherlock245 Sorry, I misunderstood your meaning and what was going on with the side-quest. Rather, I am shocked... completely blindsided that a piece of media would use biblical allusion to make a point.

    • @Sherlock245
      @Sherlock245 3 года назад

      @@tintinismybelgian they still need to be shame so if you can do ssomething pls share it.😢😢

  • @LouisaWatt
    @LouisaWatt 3 года назад +19

    I didn’t think the second half could reveal even crazier stuff... 😬

  • @dust1ification
    @dust1ification 3 года назад +41

    There are many so-called Christian colleges that are rife with this kind of thinking and teaching. "Beware lest anyone spoil you......"

    • @underwaves75
      @underwaves75 3 года назад

      The colleges and seminaries are run by Rome. Their Jesuits are in all places of learning.
      These two lessons by John Doerr on what it means to truly be born again are very liberating! The Trueth of the real Jesus Christ’s gospel of grace toward the sinner has been hidden by Rome’s Jesuits and scholars, who work tirelessly to cast doubt on the Word of God. The devil has deceived the whole world. (Rev 12:9)
      ruclips.net/video/E5TDOs_tLpQ/видео.html - born again basics pt1
      ruclips.net/video/lwj78N080cw/видео.html - born again basics pt2
      Romans 8:2
      “For the law of the spirit of life, in Christ Iesus, hath made me free from the law of sinne and death.”
      The fundamental problem is the corruption of Gods word.
      In this link you can find a lesson on the unbroken testimony of Jesus Christ in the English language which is found in the authorized version of 1611. ruclips.net/video/C9lIWdQ0rc0/видео.html
      2 Corinthians 2:17
      “For wee are not as many which corrupt the word of God: but as of sinceritie, but as of God, in the sight of God speake we in Christ.”

    • @dctrbrass
      @dctrbrass 2 года назад

      It was a challenge to find one that teaches how to study the Bible. Most are just wanting to indoctrinate students into a denomination. I thank God for helping me to find a biblical seminary. It was a great experience and my understanding of scripture has been very deepened.

  • @Irene77545
    @Irene77545 3 года назад +32

    Oh another one with Mike!! So excited ! Thanks Alisa!!

  • @vivianbarber1528
    @vivianbarber1528 3 года назад +11

    I have been watching you for a while now, started after I listened to you and Josh McDowell have some discussions. I have enjoyed your views on Biblical things, and I thank you for what you have shared tonight. We don't have to look any further than a mirror to know how much each of us is in need of Jesus, and you graciously pointed out that being human is all it takes to be a sinner. Thank you for your insights and willingness to speak.

  • @TheEMC99
    @TheEMC99 3 года назад +7

    38:00 You have to ignore some of the most horrific, disgusting, violative, demonic crimes in history to think hell is unjust. One doesn't need to search far to find enough evil to fill a thousand milky way galaxies.

  • @jasondanner6630
    @jasondanner6630 3 года назад +7

    So, so appreciate Mike. Thank you for having him on to biblically address these claims. Great Podcast 👍

  • @NebraskaVacation
    @NebraskaVacation 3 года назад +5

    You are absolutely right!
    "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise." Psalms 51:16‭-‬17 NIV

  • @liljenborg2517
    @liljenborg2517 3 года назад +28

    "We want, in fact, not so much a father in heaven as a grandfather in heaven--a senile benevolence who, as they like to say, 'liked to see young people enjoying themselves' and whose plan for the universe was simply that it might be truly said a the end of each day, 'a good time was had by all'." C.S. Lewis _The Problem of Pain_
    Progressive Christianity seems to me to have two primary lines of thought: 1) I want a god who loves me and doesn't care about who I sleep around with as long as I "love" them. 2) I want a god who approves of a communistic economic system in which nobody is poor and nobody has to get a job and people who work harder than I do don't get to be "rich".

    • @MrSASA51
      @MrSASA51 3 года назад +2

      No your analysis of P C is incorrect

    • @saskiascott8181
      @saskiascott8181 3 года назад +8

      The concept that poor people don't work as hard as rich people is demonstrably false.

    • @henryjoseph3584
      @henryjoseph3584 3 года назад +3

      Totally on point. P C is human/self worship at its core

    • @MrSASA51
      @MrSASA51 3 года назад +1

      I wonder if those who are so poorly informed about so called progressive Christianity are as poorly informed about their own Christian tradition?

  • @meganbeebe9740
    @meganbeebe9740 3 года назад +8

    I love how Lisa pointed out sanctification. I was saved out of the world later in life. I had a completely unchurched background. I noticed when I started going to church that there was not very much patience with the failings of man that had not yet been dealt with by The Lord. When He convicts us, there is also grace to overcome and sometimes correction that can be difficult but changes us from the inside out. When the church does not recognize that sanctification is progressive - a strange dysfunctional behavior modification is the result.

  • @RichADio
    @RichADio 3 года назад +51

    The progressive mutation of Christianity led the preacher who offered the final prayer at the inauguration to end it with "in the name of our collective faith, amen." Or they pray in the name of Brahman. I am utterly disgusted and infuriated that these individuals are portraying themselves as Christians.

    • @josua365
      @josua365 3 года назад +9

      Dont forget „AWoman“

    • @babylonwillfall1749
      @babylonwillfall1749 2 года назад

      There is no such thing as christianity. Period. Not one verse in scripture says anything about christian or christianity. God says to be Holy. For the Lord thy God is Holy

    • @MicahMicahel
      @MicahMicahel 2 года назад

      i've heard a pastor replace Jesus with "the creator"

    • @str.77
      @str.77 Год назад

      @@babylonwillfall1749 "Not one verse in scripture says anything about christian"
      Really? REALLY?

  • @phannybrce
    @phannybrce 3 года назад +17

    The statements on this meme sound straight out of Screwtape's playbook.

    • @kibossz9789
      @kibossz9789 3 года назад +2

      Riiiight? It totally sounds like something he'd recommend to junior tempters to tell their humans. I hadn't thought of it this way.

    • @jenniferrundle6870
      @jenniferrundle6870 3 года назад +2

      I think about that book all he time...like would the enemy say "Ha! We got her today in this!"?

    • @monicanavarro2906
      @monicanavarro2906 3 года назад +3

      That's exactly what I told my husband! The old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind.

    • @dctrbrass
      @dctrbrass 2 года назад

      great book!

  • @protofmaster
    @protofmaster 3 года назад +5

    These two podcasts are so very accurate....thank you! I also would add that it's not that God damns those who "don't believe IN Jesus (believe He exists)", but rather He damn's those who "don't BELIEVE Jesus". The difference is highlighted by James 2:19: the demons acknowledge that Jesus exists, but they will not be saved. Rather it is those that believe what Christ has said, who listen to his voice as recorded in His written word, who ultimately are saved from the wrath of God.

  • @davidmesiti6130
    @davidmesiti6130 3 года назад +26

    Alisa and Mike... I have an important point to make - something I think you guys might have missed - but first, I just want to say that I love what you’re both doing on your separate channels and also the collaborations. Mike, I’ve been watching your videos for 3 or 4 years now, and Alisa, I just discovered your channel a few months ago. Thank you both.
    The part I think maybe you missed on a bit: It was the section you were talking about the line “the Trinity is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not Father, Son, and Holy Bible.” What you said was good, but there’s an important angle you didn’t touch on.
    I’ve heard this line among many in the more extreme charismatic churches (think Bethel and the like). The reason they use this line is because they like to put a heavy emphasis on “new revelation from the Holy Spirit” and they use a line like this to try and dismiss people who would use the Bible to refute their “new revelation.” While the line does attempt to diminish the importance of the Bible in an absurd way, it also provides some people the freedom they want to “receive” new information; to add or take away from the teaching and truths of scripture - because the Holy Spirit has more authority than the Bible, so any new revelation is more authoritative than scripture.
    I think it’s important to point this out, because many are manipulated into believing the words of men, even when they disagree with the clear teaching of scripture, because they’re told that it’s “new revelation,” which can’t be refuted by scripture. In other words, people are pressured to “believe and trust the new revelation of the Holy Spirit” even against their knowledge of the Bible because “it’s not Father, Son, and Holy Bible...” etc.
    I hope that made sense. Keep up the great work! It has been a huge blessing to me and so many others! Thanks!

    • @saskiascott8181
      @saskiascott8181 3 года назад +2

      I believe that this is a really good point. I like the idea of the tricycle - scripture, tradition and experience. When one wheel falls off you have problems.

    • @anhtuanb
      @anhtuanb 3 года назад +2

      Thanks for sharing that angle of perspective.

    • @benreid9523
      @benreid9523 3 года назад +1

      @@saskiascott8181 I like that! Big wheel being Scripture tho lol

    • @benreid9523
      @benreid9523 3 года назад +3

      I think that’s a good point and what I thought would be addressed but it’s ok to have missed it! It’s only an hour long video it can’t cover every nook and cranny of the topics:)

    • @bufficliff8978
      @bufficliff8978 3 года назад +1

      Thanks, David!

  • @TheWholeTruth
    @TheWholeTruth 3 года назад +11

    I totally agree with your stance on the "Jesus loves me this i know, for He came to show me so."
    The way He showed us is the Bible. All we know of God comes from His Word. It is His Revelation of Himself to us.

    • @louiscyfer6944
      @louiscyfer6944 3 года назад

      how the fuck would you know what jesus said?

    • @Thanos-kp5jr
      @Thanos-kp5jr 3 года назад

      @@louiscyfer6944 "what do you mean by what Jesus said"?

    • @louiscyfer6944
      @louiscyfer6944 3 года назад

      @@Thanos-kp5jr the earliest accounts of what jesus said were 40 years later from second hand
      accounts. that is not credible. try to remember any speech verbatim from 40 years ago. good luck. it means we don't have any reliable records to anything that jesus said.

    • @Thanos-kp5jr
      @Thanos-kp5jr 3 года назад

      @@louiscyfer6944 i would disagree i do think we have reliable evidence of what Jesus said. And yes i would agree that the gospel was written in 45AD after his resurrection. Now it is very possible that while he did his teaching was written down by the apostles as he teached during his ministry. But let me make your argument stronger than what it is. Lets say that we have the gist of what Jesus said i still think that it is still reliable evidence of what he said. Just because there was a gap of time between 33 AD and 45 AD when the first gospel was written does not mean that the apostles had forgotten what was said.

    • @louiscyfer6944
      @louiscyfer6944 3 года назад

      @@Thanos-kp5jr the first gospel written was around 70 a.d., not 45. also, no gospel was written by an eyewitness. they are second band at best. since people constantly argue about the meaning of what jesus said based on them assuming it is exact, those arguments become seriously problematic if we only have the gist of it, or an approximation.

  • @BC-qb2if
    @BC-qb2if 3 года назад +53

    The guy that wrote this list isn't a Christian. He attacked the core tenants or fundamentals or basics of Christianity.

    • @user-ni2ux9ew5q
      @user-ni2ux9ew5q 3 года назад +3

      They usually are not Christian they are usually wolves in sheep's clothing.

    • @dctrbrass
      @dctrbrass 2 года назад

      I keep thinking that this is someone who holds strong opinions about someone he/she knows nothing about.

    • @pianotricia
      @pianotricia 2 года назад

      Who wrote this list?

  • @e.l.243
    @e.l.243 3 года назад +2

    Was looking forward to this.
    Saves my day🤗.

  • @benry007
    @benry007 3 года назад

    Been looking forward to part 2!😁

  • @apriljmcmillan
    @apriljmcmillan 3 года назад +60

    A thought on smoking: I think what they both had to say on that point was good. I would add that it is sinful if someone is using it as an emotional crutch- an idol, basically- to avoid seeking the Lord through scripture and prayer over an issue, such as anxiety. We should be taking our cares to God not using substances to numb ourselves. And this is where that overreaction of many Christians backfires: people feel overly criticized and condemned for smoking and turn away, when it would have been more fruitful to ask about what it is they may be soothing through smoking and offer help to solve that with a more spiritual approach so they aren’t depending on that anymore.

    • @karlbrady5453
      @karlbrady5453 3 года назад +2

      So anything we do as an "emotional crutch" is sinful? I don't think so

    • @chrisj9892
      @chrisj9892 3 года назад +10

      @@karlbrady5453 Yep. Anything that we put above God is sinful. This ain’t easy but God is gracious let’s obey Him as much as possible and repent when we inevitably stumble.

    • @jenniferrundle6870
      @jenniferrundle6870 3 года назад +2

      Yes, that's very thoughtful and poignant for each of us!

    • @karlbrady5453
      @karlbrady5453 3 года назад +1

      @@chrisj9892 How is having an "emotional crutch" putting something ABOVE God?

    • @essennagerry
      @essennagerry 3 года назад +11

      @@karlbrady5453 I wouldn't say anything, but anything _can become_ sinfull - I think it depends on the nature of how you really go about it. E.g. I often watch youtube videos to take my mind off things. That's in my oppinion very ok to do. But sometimes it can hinder me from seeking God. Sometimes it's just soothing and doesn't hinder me, sometimes it's me panicking and running away from issues when what I should do is seek God in my situation. Does this make sense?
      Sometimes when I'm anxious I eat because I know it calms me down. The question is do I substitute seeking God and _His_ solution with soothing my nerves with food, or do I soothe ny nerves with food and then seek God, just a bit more calmed down?
      It's not all black and white and it probably differs from person to person. I say - be sensitive to the Holy Spirit, grab onto whatever the Holy Spirit is telling you about your situations and habits, and act according to your consience.

  • @derrickcarson
    @derrickcarson 3 года назад +6

    Mike's analogies are A1!!!!

  • @HarrisonDean
    @HarrisonDean 3 года назад +1

    These were both fantastic. Thanks Mike and Alisa!

  • @michaelj1454
    @michaelj1454 3 года назад +1

    Thank you both. This was very useful. God bless.

  • @CALALAMILA
    @CALALAMILA 3 года назад +5

    Thank you so much, Mark and Alisa, for this two-part series. It's really eye-opening. We all need to sit with it, replay over and over and really chew on what's been said under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
    Progressive Christianity is especially dangerous because some of its beliefs, on the surface, are true. But what greater way to deceive people than to give them a poisonous harmful substance mixed with truth. We are in the times where discernment is more important than ever.
    Thanks for much for bringing a lot of clarity to this.

  • @jasonsiebold
    @jasonsiebold 3 года назад +12

    It's such a joy when two of my favorite apologists get together and spread the gospel. God bless you both.

    • @sidepot
      @sidepot 3 года назад

      You must have an incredibly boring life.

    • @kellyanne7225
      @kellyanne7225 3 года назад +2

      @@sidepot So you're saying that because a person finds joy in something, they live a boring life? I think the unhappiness speaks louder for you than the person you mocked.

    • @sidepot
      @sidepot 3 года назад

      @@kellyanne7225 I think it speaks volumes for people to be debating about yet another translation of the bible when they keep growing in number. None of the translations or versions are anywhere close to perfect nor will they ever be. How does your old testament (which you idiots think is the whole of the jewish bible) compare to the Tanakh? Do you even have a clue? I doubt it highly to the point where I would wager you do not. How many of the letters from Paul have been deemed forgeries? Have a clue? The gospels written by greek authors many decades after these alleged events. We don't know who wrote them and not a clue as to what was not included or the extent of what was interpolated. None of those manuscripts have ever been found. You really don't have any complete set of manuscripts until latter 9th century. Mere fragments exist in the span of 100 years after the stories of your jebus. The authors of Matthew and Luke copied more than 90% of the book of Mark almost verbatim. Even the names given for the gospels were assigned about 3 centuries later. It's a fucking joke for you morons to be arguing over this latest version. You don't have reliability on any of them. You follow this nonsense like your life depends on it and tell people they are worthless without god and desperately wicked from birth. You are the crazy ones.

    • @kellyanne7225
      @kellyanne7225 3 года назад +2

      @@sidepot Where did all of your garbage come from just because you thought to mock another person? Go troll someplace else. I'm wholly uninterested in anything you have to say. I'm not even reading your response. Just leave.

    • @sidepot
      @sidepot 3 года назад

      @@kellyanne7225
      Yes you just want to continue on your own ignorance. Maybe one day you will actually be more interested in the facts of where you Bible came from than listen to your own delusions. What a sham that you have no desire to source out the book in which you base your whole life. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

  • @patriciamccool5243
    @patriciamccool5243 3 года назад +1

    Love 💕 both you and Mike’s programs! Thanks.

  • @lauriejackson1491
    @lauriejackson1491 3 года назад +2

    Thank you both for your study and wisdom.

  • @austinhendel1569
    @austinhendel1569 3 года назад +4

    I love how he explains forgiveness. It’s a two/way street! I’ve been saying that to everyone I talk to about that!

  • @lilyellowninja
    @lilyellowninja 3 года назад +3

    I'm so glad I found your channel!!! You seem to be talking about all the stuff I've been trying to research lately! This is awesome!

  • @philjones7351
    @philjones7351 3 года назад +1

    Thank you both. You are so encouraging.

  • @aeolian7556
    @aeolian7556 3 года назад +1

    Really enjoy these , they are so helpful and I Love how it challenges us to think biblically

  • @BC-qb2if
    @BC-qb2if 3 года назад +13

    "Jesus is the true word of God, not the Bible," I've heard Catholic apologist teach this too, such as, "Jesus didn't write anything down."

    • @sr3v0l
      @sr3v0l 3 года назад

      The pope of the Vatican has told people that you can be atheist, & make it to Heaven even if you don't believe in God. Which is a lie he is leading ppl astray. You can not get to Heaven without Jesus. The pope also changed the words 8n the Lord's Prayer Jesus wrote this for his ppl. The Catholic pope also told ppl there is no hell. Hell the lake of fire& brimstone where he casts the devil& demons&fallen angels& unsaved people. 5hey will be cast into the lake of fire and burn for eternity.

    • @PianoForte9096
      @PianoForte9096 3 года назад +1

      Aspiring Catholic here, only commenting to the original post:
      If you heard a Catholic apologist teach that the Bible is not the word of God, then he or she is in error. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (paragraph 102) clearly states as such. The Bible is called the Word of God during each Mass as well: www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/order-of-mass/liturgy-of-the-word/hearing-the-word-of-god
      Perhaps what the apologist meant by saying, "Jesus didn't write anything down" (which is /technically/ inaccurate, given John 8:6-8, yet Jesus is not recognized as the author of any book of Scripture), the apologist was building up an argument for the legitimacy of the Ancient Church. It goes like this:
      Since "Jesus didn't write anything down" (by which is meant, no extant writings of Jesus survive) and He entrusted His message and Church to His apostles (Acts 1:6-9), we must rely on the Apostles to know anything of Christ. Those Apostles founded the Church -- as is recorded in Acts -- and there has been a continuous line of leadership in the Church from the Apostles to today (through the Bishops of the Catholic Church, especially the Pope). This line of leadership of bishops was recognized in Scripture (look for the Greek "episkopos," or επίσκοπος), by the Church Fathers (Ignatius, Irenaeus, etc.), and is still recognized even by some Protestant communities that claim apostolic succession.

  • @thatoneguysface1
    @thatoneguysface1 3 года назад +4

    Thank you for serving God’s people, Alisa and Mike!

  • @truthpursuit2412
    @truthpursuit2412 3 года назад +1

    I enjoyed this program! Two of my favorite RUclipsrs!

  • @lazaropolanco8486
    @lazaropolanco8486 3 года назад

    Very good guys, thanks so much for putting it together.
    God bless you both.

  • @joyuncovered
    @joyuncovered 3 года назад +6

    I love you guys! It makes me feel so good to hear the Truth.

  • @calebmcmurtrie7886
    @calebmcmurtrie7886 3 года назад +66

    Progressive Christians understand the best lies are manipulations of the truth. Thank you Mike for your Godly Wisdom!

    • @melindamercier6811
      @melindamercier6811 3 года назад +8

      Yes. Anything to evoke an emotional response rather than a well-reasoned logical one, unfortunately.

    • @bradspaans6240
      @bradspaans6240 3 года назад +1

      Nonsense

    • @gareth2736
      @gareth2736 3 года назад +3

      Is it better not to assume malign motives for people who you disagree with? So perhaps progressive christians actually believe what they teach rather than are trying to find the most manipulative lie. I wouldn't self describe as progressive but what I see on both sides of every debate is folk assigning malign motives to their opponents which for the most part are likely wrong, and even if correct they can't know for sure. If you do assign malign motives you are far less likely to pursuade those you disagree with because they will know their motives better than you do and if you are wrong about their motives it's easier for them to reject your whole.argument even if you are correct in the actual issue.

    • @wesleyjones515
      @wesleyjones515 3 года назад

      @@gareth2736 So, why do you believe cows are green?

    • @gareth2736
      @gareth2736 3 года назад

      @@wesleyjones515 that's a bit random.

  • @debrasusan73
    @debrasusan73 3 года назад

    Incredible conversation! So much to put in the back of my mind for future chats!

  • @carolmason8085
    @carolmason8085 Год назад

    Very helpful video. Thank you both!

  • @emmetgreene3982
    @emmetgreene3982 3 года назад +13

    i would’ve loved to have seen this discussed with a progressive Christian. It would be an interesting conversation to hear both sides rather than just one

    • @arizonajesusperson2095
      @arizonajesusperson2095 3 года назад +2

      These two will never have an open conversation with progressive or more liberal Christians, where you find areas of common agreement, and speak to one another in love (as Scripture commands us). They would rather choose individuals who they believe are influencing culture and religion, and attack them from a distance (unfairly and involving caricatures of their beliefs, I might add), in in attempt to preserve their versions of Christianity, without it being challenged.

    • @gaseredtune5284
      @gaseredtune5284 3 года назад +6

      There is no side but right and wrong. Their claims can be rebutted directly from their blasphemous ideas.

    • @gaseredtune5284
      @gaseredtune5284 3 года назад +8

      @@arizonajesusperson2095 it’s impossible to have a conversation with a progressive leftist, period.

    • @monicanavarro2906
      @monicanavarro2906 3 года назад +3

      @@gaseredtune5284 How dare you say that? You're going to hell for offending me, though there's no hell, but you'll suffer there, yet not torture, because God is only love and He loves everybody, except those who think like you and take His word too seriously... but yeah, we're all in - but not you. In fact, only those who are non-Christians are invited, because Christians are self-righteous. I know this because I once read a quote from the Bible that says that only the sick need a doctor, so sinners are welcome to God - but don't call them sinners because that's offensive. Anyhow, you're not included among sinners accepted by God because you focus too much on sin and wrath which made God angry at you for missing the point/mark.

    • @Yawnyaman
      @Yawnyaman 2 года назад

      Neither enjoys confrontation much and Winger certainly has gone on record to say he doesn’t do debates with theological opponents. This is a bit frustrating as he can be a bit pedestrian in dealing with objections. The conversation is interesting but a bit defensive in places.

  • @wesleylafleur3490
    @wesleylafleur3490 3 года назад +29

    Romans 10:17 "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the WORD OF GOD."

    • @Sherlock245
      @Sherlock245 3 года назад

      Please help spread this to all christian online.
      can some one speak out on this?? cyberpunk made blasphemous quest on crucifixion.
      read it here www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/12/23/we-need-to-talk-about-cyberpunk-2077s-most-messed-up-quest/
      It is, however, extremely surreal. You nail him to the cross, hoist him up, and you stand there until he dies, quoting Jesus as he does so

    • @michaelgarrison7604
      @michaelgarrison7604 3 года назад

      Or as one old country preacher said, faith comes by hearing and hearing lol

  • @SpeedandChromeTV
    @SpeedandChromeTV 3 года назад

    Very, very good. Spot on with all of it. Its great to see people online who actually know, and teaches what the word says.

  • @wp8186
    @wp8186 3 года назад

    Love your teaching. Thank you for standing up for the word and for being a light to the younger generation.

  • @GerreLove
    @GerreLove 3 года назад +5

    Wew!Those are some hefty questions!!Yall are apart of Gods plan here setting people free!!

  • @juliasteeves4349
    @juliasteeves4349 2 года назад +3

    Hey y'all, this was such a refreshment. Thank you for continuing in the Word of God with the faith of Jesus Christ. It is very good.

  • @darrenmiller6927
    @darrenmiller6927 Год назад

    I found part II. Love these two, big encouragement.

  • @dougmichalak5687
    @dougmichalak5687 3 года назад +2

    Loved this!

  • @richardrice1032
    @richardrice1032 3 года назад +22

    I have heard the Bible referred to, in general terms, as "The most widely published, least read Book in the world".

    • @hlokomani
      @hlokomani 3 года назад +1

      Facts

    • @Window4503
      @Window4503 3 года назад

      And if read, most misunderstood

    • @richardrice1032
      @richardrice1032 3 года назад

      @@Window4503 Agreed!! I am wondering if the many English versions of the Bible currently available, while hopefully, well intended, might be causing at least some of the misunderstandings. I routinely use "YouVersion" on my Samsung Android "smartphone". I personally prefer the ESV, English Standard Version. As of this writing there another 61 English Versions available on "YouVersion"! Some of these are Paraphrase Translations. See also: "www.openbible.info/topics/", and for example "www.openbible.info/topics/forgive". Clicking on any verse that comes up will take the reader to "www.biblegateway.com/" where the verse can be read in context.
      Peace be with you!

  • @katiem9923
    @katiem9923 3 года назад +26

    I remember learning that sinning means "missing the mark" in confirmation class. I got the exact message you would have expected me to get: That sins isn't a big deal :( It took me about 5/6 years to turn away from my agnostic beliefs and towards Christ, and the bad doctrine I received growing up certainly didn't help

    • @geoffstemen3652
      @geoffstemen3652 3 года назад +2

      That is what it means, both in Hebrew (hata) and Greek (hamartia). What the progressive movement misses is how dangerous it is.

    • @katiem9923
      @katiem9923 3 года назад +3

      @@geoffstemen3652 yes, if you don't teach on the seriousness of sin, then it's easy to interpret as "no big deal"- which is obviously a very dangerous teaching.

  • @traciv520
    @traciv520 2 года назад +1

    Really enjoyed part one and part two of this teaching. So well done. Love your interview style Alisa as you always allow your guest to speak until their thought is complete.

  • @musicforlife64ful
    @musicforlife64ful 3 года назад

    Very well put, thank you both!
    Love from Malaysia

  • @conniek1039
    @conniek1039 3 года назад +4

    Can’t wait

  • @AmberRose823
    @AmberRose823 3 года назад +13

    There is a leader in my church who said this.. that people " worship" the bible and need to focus more on Jesus. And I was so confused. Jesus is "The Word Made Man" and the bible is "God's Word " so, isn't studying the bible studying Jesus???

  • @iw9338
    @iw9338 2 года назад

    Thank you both, very helpful. Blessings to you and your families.

  • @wheatyuh7689
    @wheatyuh7689 3 года назад

    Love love Love Mike. Keep up the good work brother

  • @fandude7
    @fandude7 3 года назад +18

    Jesus said, "It is written, it is written, it is written" many times. John 1:1 "The WORD became flesh." John 20:31 "These are WRITTEN so that you may believe." I John 5:13 "I have written these things." Christians don't bow down to the Bible, nor sing to the Bible nor pray to the Bible. We revere and deeply respect God's word because it is God's very word.

    • @MrSASA51
      @MrSASA51 3 года назад +1

      Except when Jesus contradicted the written word of his time?

    • @fandude7
      @fandude7 3 года назад

      @@MrSASA51 Provide example.

    • @MrSASA51
      @MrSASA51 3 года назад

      @@fandude7 apologies but thread of posts getting muddled, so provide examples of what please?

    • @26vino
      @26vino 3 года назад

      -- *2 TIMOTHY 2:15 [kjb]* -
      15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God ,
      a workman that needeth not to be ashamed ,
      rightly dividing the word of truth.
      --||-- >>> And then there are NO contradictions in the written word of the LORD God. Amen 🙏

    • @Sherlock245
      @Sherlock245 3 года назад

      Please help spread this to all christian online.
      can some one speak out on this?? cyberpunk made blasphemous quest on crucifixion.
      read it here www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/12/23/we-need-to-talk-about-cyberpunk-2077s-most-messed-up-quest/
      It is, however, extremely surreal. You nail him to the cross, hoist him up, and you stand there until he dies, quoting Jesus as he does so

  • @ataxcollector695
    @ataxcollector695 3 года назад +14

    The thing that makes me upset is this: These people do the exact same thing that they claim "Bibliolators" do to them. They are just as judgemental and evangelistic in their faith as the caricature they portray us to be.

    • @Window4503
      @Window4503 3 года назад +5

      That’s true for pretty much any extreme; they always become the thing they hate and are too blind to see it or be reasoned with. Adds another layer to “take the plank out of your own eye.”

    • @MrSASA51
      @MrSASA51 3 года назад

      @@Window4503 hilarious example of what you condemn in others

  • @carmennooner2027
    @carmennooner2027 3 года назад

    I never listened to either of you before. This two part conversation was very enlightening and I will be going back to last videos and likely add both of you to my subscription list. Thank you for sharing the "list" and being Biblical with your answers.

  • @lorenacardozo2893
    @lorenacardozo2893 2 года назад

    Thank God for Alisa Childers & Mike Winger for taking their time to put videos like this. They're such a blessing!
    God Bless you!

  • @matthewking8806
    @matthewking8806 3 года назад +10

    As far as the topic and comments on sin goes, I do have some thoughts also. Romans six talks about our sinful nature and tells us that as unbelievers in Christ we were slaves to our sin nature. When we become believers in Christ we are no longer slaves to that sinful nature. In other words, we have a choice and the power not to sin regularly because our nature has been changed and we have the Holy Spirit residing within us. Romans seven talks about how we as believers do not become sinless, but we can sin less, because we still have our flesh to deal with. You may not, but I struggle and deal with my flesh every day and I make choices that are either good or bad. It will be that way until I die and get to heaven. So while not every single thing or action we do is sinful, sanctification is working in us and changing us into the image of Christ, we all continually deal with the flesh and its temptations.

  • @bunnie.z4676
    @bunnie.z4676 3 года назад +33

    God doesnt want empty religious behaviours he wants hearts that are after him.... oof. Can i put that on my wall

    • @SkyKingAzure
      @SkyKingAzure 3 года назад +5

      Psalm 51:16-17 and Hosea 6:6
      Jesus did not like the Pharisees one bit because they were overly concerned with putting on airs, as many today do. This is why His Church will be small in comparison to the rest of the world. If Jesus is not foremost in your life, if you have NOT forsaken your sins and sinful nature to take on His sinless nature and to obey the Law which commands us to love God with EVERYTHING and to love our fellow humans as ourselves, you will NOT make it. Pray that He who began a good work in us will see it through to the end. And that End is closing in fast.

    • @richardrice1032
      @richardrice1032 3 года назад

      @@SkyKingAzure Food for thought. Would it also be correct, or appropriate to say that Jesus was "annoyed" with Teachers of the Law, Pharisees, and Sadducees because they "should have known better"?
      Reasoning: The Major and Minor Prophets wrote over 400 years before the birth of Jesus.

    • @SkyKingAzure
      @SkyKingAzure 3 года назад

      @@richardrice1032 I would say that Jesus would be more than annoyed with them. They were diluting the Gospel message with needless traditions and also being hypocrites in a way that only religious leaders can be. They were turning people away from God and Jesus could never be just 'annoyed' with that. Its one thing to block yourself, its another thing to block other people.

    • @richardrice1032
      @richardrice1032 3 года назад +1

      @@SkyKingAzure Agreed!! You may have already concluded that I was "being gentle with my Food for thought". Trying not use "bad language" especially in writing, no matter how strong the temptation.
      I can almost picture Jesus "rolling his eyes" briefly and thinking something to the 1st century effect of "Dudes, don't YOU get it?" Didn't Jesus also compare the "speck in someone else's eye to the log in your eye"?
      Any Follower of Jesus, Christian, who does not take time to be humble, and live "for the sake of another", truly can do "more harm than good".

    • @kellyanne7225
      @kellyanne7225 3 года назад

      "Oof" You're not by any chance from the Midwest, are you? ;)

  • @kathymcdaniel6685
    @kathymcdaniel6685 3 года назад

    Thank you both, so much!!!

  • @kaneyhobelar3618
    @kaneyhobelar3618 3 года назад +2

    We need this type of training in more areas of life for the various things happening today in our society. Thank you

  • @nastynateanddaboys
    @nastynateanddaboys 3 года назад +3

    So glad I’m progressing enough to listen to a woman preach it right now! Thanks lady

    • @correctchristian4255
      @correctchristian4255 3 года назад +4

      Preach or teach? BIG difference.

    • @AmberRose823
      @AmberRose823 3 года назад

      @@correctchristian4255 agreed.she is NOT preaching, she is teaching.

  • @moomin8251
    @moomin8251 3 года назад +3

    One group who could be guilty of Bibliolatry is the extreme King James Only crowd.

    • @MicahMicahel
      @MicahMicahel 2 года назад

      i think those people sometimes don't understand the language and their interpretation relies on their misunderstanding of Shakespearian English so when they see it written plainly they are mystified how it doesn't mean what they thought it did. Con artist preachers often use the KJV so they can mislead on purpose.
      they aren't really worshipping the bible but holding onto a false teaching.
      Christians don't worship the bible because they write and highlight areas. Muslims aren't allowed to do that. We can throw away or burn a bible and it's not a sin also... the worshipping the bible accusation is just wrong.

  • @terrencesimpson6079
    @terrencesimpson6079 3 года назад

    Excellent job. I have been paying attention to you recently sister Childers and have enjoyed your insight. I was on the fence a little bit, but seeing you with Mike has helped me to get off the fence. I've watched Mike on and off for a few years and he has shown me to be a good teacher in the Body of Christ.
    Anyway, I am glad to see a strong sister online. God bless.

  • @StaceeMassey
    @StaceeMassey Год назад

    Very good. Really enjoyed this.

  • @khappy1286
    @khappy1286 3 года назад +14

    the word is Jesus and Jesus is the word. It's way on the top of the list by how we should live studying it reflecting on it meditating on it eating the word. Because Jesus is the word and the word became flesh and everything in that Bible still stands.

    • @samuelcleland3478
      @samuelcleland3478 3 года назад +1

      I agree, but I do not hear some talk about the spirit of truth, the word feeds the spirit, the spirit reveals the truth of that word. How can we understand the context, we understand the context by the spirit of truth.

  • @whoamI-xi3ln
    @whoamI-xi3ln 3 года назад +8

    I would rather say we are the ones holding a gun to our own heads and God is the only one who, through Jesus, could take it away from us to save us.

    • @chaboi7
      @chaboi7 3 года назад

      For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
      Romans 1:18 NKJV
      bible.com/bible/114/rom.1.18.NKJV

    • @chaboi7
      @chaboi7 3 года назад

      Gods wrath is on the world but through Jesus he brings good will to all men

    • @whoamI-xi3ln
      @whoamI-xi3ln 3 года назад

      @@chaboi7 sorry, my brain is not working right now - do you agree with my statement?

    • @chaboi7
      @chaboi7 3 года назад

      I dot agree about a gun, I agree about hell

    • @anhtuanb
      @anhtuanb 3 года назад +1

      I think the problem with the gun analogy is treating God's justice as a threat rather than looking how wicked we are before the holy God and God must destroy wickedness.

  • @robinlazulite3167
    @robinlazulite3167 3 года назад

    Loved this!! So important we discern rightly as Christians!

  • @RebekahMartinModernJaneAusten
    @RebekahMartinModernJaneAusten 3 года назад +1

    14:15. Wow. That was mind blowing for me. Thanks for the insight!

  • @maceawilder
    @maceawilder 3 года назад +6

    Hey guys, I love this video. If I could make a suggestion, could you make a directory with time stamps in the description? Sometimes I go back to try and hear something and it takes forever to find the question I am searching for. Thank you for the wonderful content.

    • @littleboots9800
      @littleboots9800 3 года назад +2

      Good news! It's being released broken down into the individual questions. The first one is out on Mike's channel, one more everyday until all 23 are released.

    • @maceawilder
      @maceawilder 3 года назад +1

      @@littleboots9800 Thanks! This definitely helps.

  • @Topg1
    @Topg1 3 года назад +10

    How do they come to know God without the Bible? The Holy Spirit in my experience always confirms his word. The Bible is what leads you to Christ.

    • @rayvenrabbass3266
      @rayvenrabbass3266 2 года назад +1

      The Bible doesn't lead everyone to Christ. Sometimes people are saved through an encounter. Some Christians around the world haven't even seen a Bible.

    • @rayvenrabbass3266
      @rayvenrabbass3266 2 года назад +1

      The Holy Spirit leads us to Christ who then leads us to read our Bibles and grow in our relationship with Christ.

    • @Topg1
      @Topg1 2 года назад +1

      @@rayvenrabbass3266 I agree that God can reveal himself to people who never had the Bible. By having his word, we get to know him, his ways, his purpose for us. In countries where the Bible is banned, they cherish God’s word.

  • @williamhernandez5156
    @williamhernandez5156 3 года назад

    Thanks for all this Alise Childers ♥️Love from San Francisco 💓God Bless Yourself 💐

  • @according2hismercy355
    @according2hismercy355 2 года назад

    Just wanted to thank both you guys for your ministries. I've learned so much from Mike only just stumbled across this channel I'm on my 3rd. Video. From a person newly reclaiming my childhood faith, then content is so helpful .

  • @lindag1762
    @lindag1762 3 года назад +5

    The old Frank Sinatra, song comes to mind: I Did it My Way!

  • @El-Chav0
    @El-Chav0 3 года назад +10

    Looks like progressive christianity needs to do their homework and read the entire Bible not just choose verses and twist them.

  • @nicki0346
    @nicki0346 3 года назад

    Very good, well done! Thank you.

  • @nickthombley675
    @nickthombley675 2 года назад +1

    WOW WOW WOW Great teaching!