Why Child Support is F*cked Up
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- With the pathetic outcome from the Family Law Inquiry, Australia's child support scheme is about as f*cked up as ever. So what went wrong?
We explain how the Joint Committee messed up through a combination of stupidity and bad advice from the Child Support Agency and academia.
The politicians on the Committee might actually believe they're helping kids and parents by sticking to the same old formula. They couldn't be more wrong.
Senator Pauline Hanson was the only committee member who could see major problems and wanted to take real action. Sadly, she was outnumbered.
The committee seemed oblivious to the many problems caused by the child support formula, including the fraud and rorting that happens routinely.
As promised in the video, here's a link to comments from parents about the dodgy things they've experienced concerning their ex's:
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I have 75 percent care of our 2 teenage daughters. My ex doesn't work so I have to pay her child support to sit at home to have 1 child every second week! This is not child support, it is spousal support!!!!!!
Amen brother csa is cancer on society
I feel your pain my friend.. My ex is the same!! CS are f#$kin useless!! Where is the justice.. I pay my taxes and work full time and I'm getting punished for doing the right thing!!
They build spousal support into the formula. They would never say this but that's why its so high.
@@mavphillExactly 👍👍👍
Imagine if family court and custody arrangements were worked out by accountants who simply looked at maximising both the income and care with an actual parent between both parents… but that would only work for the children, not the parents… god forbid!
Absolutely devastated. I have 50/50 care and pay 100% of the support pool and yet again have worked/studied hard, earnt more now give the other parent a free pay rise. Morally disgusting and corrupt! Seems that senator Hansen is the only one in the committee with a spine!!!!
How does one get involved to push again for change. I firmly believe 50/50 care should equal no child support. I have another 12 years of support payments ahead of me, and the thought of handling over $250K (or more) makes me sick to my soul. My kids would be far better off if I could control the money I have worked hard for.
The system is cruel to hard working mothers and fathers that love their children... and protects lazy parents.
My son is going on 20 csa have been paid before i was since separation I've never had a say my ex has lied about her income and care percentage now csa have decided that wasn't enough and want more .... the biggest problem you can't fight back against the corruption of the csa
The desire for custody is for many driven by financial gain through child support. raising a child is a privilege. If I could have custody I woud raise him for free.
I pay almost 2k a fortnight after having strides in my career. Even though I'm on the highest salary of my life, I live pay to pay. It's ridiculous. Appreciate the channel and you trying to make a change. Keep up the great work mate. It's pretty appalling how badly this can push people in their individual situations unfortunately. Dealing with CSA is a nightmare to deal with.
I pay 1.8k monthly for my daughter, but what's painful is, she used to spend 2 nights per week with me and I didn't have to travel 200km for a day just to see her for a few hours and spend time with her, BUT NOW, my ex found a way to convince my daughter to not spend 2 nights with me by telling her that her friends and other relatives will miss her dearly and she won't have time to spend with her friends during the weekend, and this is my ex way of bending the rule for herself by getting 100% care and get the chunk of payment from me. It's sad and frustrating for me, because I travel the long distance, pay petrol, spend at least $100 on food and snacks for a few hours of time with my daughter every weekend, and then at the end of the day the sense of emptiness engulps me while travelling back home to my 4x6 meter rental room, while my ex now has her own 2-bedroom property and employed full time with salary close to mine, and yet I pay, I spend, feel empty for the time I didn't have with my daughter. I also don't sleep much, like just 5 hours a night due to work stress, and i'm only working here in Aus just to be with my daughter, I feel like it's taking its toll on my mental well-being.
CSA is unfair, so unfair. Child services minister or whoever came up with this ridiculous formula and never did any studies about the different scenarios is so dim-witted.
I'm in the same boat as you. My kids cost me 4100 per month, and I'm in my prime of my career. Now I'm trying to get my life back on track and try to get back into property market, but that deem impossible due to the very high child costs and high rental. I live paycheck to paycheck and I'm in my 40's with a degree behind my name.
I’m a working woman with zero children and child support has ruined my life. I’m not even the “victim”, but that’s how much child support affects the payers families. Children, new partners, everyone.
I’ve been both the child involved in child support and the partner of people who paid it. Never helped my parents separation, never was any use to me as a kid, has massively hurt me as an adult and my family. Never had a kid and never been on welfare, I’m a worker. And it’s ruined my life.
Hope that says something. I can’t imagine what the single parents paying it and being alienated are going through because they are the real victims above me.
CS doesn’t support families.
I happy to support my kids financially, but when your in debt, earn $813 after tax, have to pay rent, food and petrol for the week your left with jack crap all and yet your told doesn’t matter your income is higher. Yet here she is just built a million house, brand new car and living the life and still use the kids to cut my time off! Going from every weekend and any other day she didn’t want them, due to her party ways and now she wants to come back in and play happy family with her new partner. The system is absolutely disgusting and no one cares about the kids nor the father genuinely loving his kids and wanting to be a part of their lives! This gives the mother the upper hand to play god with our kids. Mine you I have an interim order in place and after three weeks of it being in effect, she drops a bomb she’ll telling me I’m relocating and take the girls…and you know she probably will been given the all clear because it’s all about the mother and I can say these solicitors are vultures and want only money…they bleed you dry and still want the crust!
I ain’t giving up on fighting for the rights of my kids and I will not let this disgusting, corrupt system we so called the law! Who would ever think we would have kids to be told by someone else, what time we are allowed to spend with them, what we can do with them. We wonder why fathers walk away or worst kill themselves. It should be equal shared care, unless there is abuse ect then no! But these mothers need to wake up and realise it ain’t hurting noone more but the kids! Only a bitter, angry, spiteful and disgusting person with no compassion would go to any level to destroy the father of her kids and I’m speaking for all gender here too!
I’m feed up and over this unjust and unlawful system!!!!
And CSA are the enablers of this behaviour, like I said in my comment - they’re creating the very monsters they claim to fear.
Mate I thought my situation was tough, sad to read what you're going through hope somehow things work out for you.
Spot on! It's over 2 years that I don't see my children 😢😢
Because of the amount I have to pay I was unable to sustain renting so unfortunately I had to move in with my brother and family, unfortunately they live interstate so I had to say goodbye to the children and because I’ve moved away I get to pay more in child support
Keep up the good work CSA
I just wonder how the hell they have the power to block peoples passports too if you’ve dual citizenship surely that is against human rights
Example if my parents were to pass and my passport was blocked I wouldn’t be able to attend the funeral
Absolutely disgusting, CSA in reality is an aggressive debt collection agency with powers beyond belief that wouldn’t be acceptable in other countries, there is actually no other country in the world that can block your passport but in Australia therefore they have the cheek to also charge you account fees …. This system will never change for one reason nobody has a spine …
It’s like a lot of different systems in Australia that is broken but it’s heads in sand and ignore
this why we need to vote in One Nation
I worked for the CSA for nearly 15 years. You are right, despite my dislike for Pauline.
I’m not a fan of her but she would of made a much better minister for department of social services than Katherine did. Pauline at least cares about the average person. Not a fan of her but I think she’s the right fit for a DSS minister. I’m not anti welfare either, but Pauline wouldn’t of ever implemented a robodebt or caused people to commit suicide.
My son recently turned 18 and I started a new job with higher income so I thought it was a good time do my tax for last few years and catch up. I new there would be a year were my income was estimated 30% lower than it should have been. My ex-wife denied me custody from my sons 16th birthday and was making 150k+ and I was still paying $450 a month.
Well I was told last month I owe around $10,000. I was surprised but figured OK I can afford $500 month and get it sorted but no CSA want $1400 a month. This is the minimum they want and I am currently attempting to apply for hardship witch was denied on first attempt. I am no in hardship but if I have to pay $1400 a month I will be. WTF they wonder why people dodge it when you attempt to do the right thing they want to send you broke. There is only one way to get out of paying this shit and they are seriously making me consider it.
Stay strong brother as hard as it is
You make $150k+ a year and $1400 a month for your own child will make you broke? Where are the rest of money
@@LL-bl1ln I said my ex-wife was making 150k
Why avoid doing tax returns for years?
Before you do anything irrational. Move to a new country and don't tell your ex or anyone that knows her where you are moving to. Also create a social media account that and don't add anyone that knows her and we're on her side after the breakup because they will tell her and she will contact the csa and depending on which country you move to they could still recover that money from your wages and taxes etc. You need to research which countries child support systems help Australia's with recovering child support and avoid those countries...
My partner is paying the maximum amount of child support for 3 children.. 2 of which now live with him full-time. The mother has disputed that he has full care so she can keep the child support payments for herself. Meanwhile, he is struggling to clothe and provide for his children. He can't afford to go to court, and his ex knows this. he should be able to stop the payments so that he can provide for his kids. It's disgusting. The fathers have no rights, and it's not fair to the children
When you have 50:50 and therefore 50% of costs, why should you pay anything? My ex has the choice to work more hours or less yet I can only choose to continue to work full time or have it deemed I have the capacity to earn more if I only work part time and continue to pay at the higher rate. Our children are of school age so there's no reason for her not to work other than she doesn't want to. She has lots of choice and full control over her life and I have no choice or control of my finances whatsoever.
I feel your pain gentleman. It happens to both Mums and Dads and it’s just heart-wrenching. 😥I have been alienated from my daughter for over 12 months now, because my ex-husband is very aware of the amount I would pay him if he has 100% care. I pay him $1000/mth for my child I miss desperately, but am not able to see at all. What’s more unfair is that he has over 2 million in assets, and I can not even afford to save a deposit for my own home.
In the USA, they are starting to introduce laws where parents who alienate a child/children from the paying parent, can stop receiving child support until the situation is resolved. Why should they be rewarded for their appalling actions?
A system that supports and enables parental alienation is a very unjust and broken system.
How can this be in the interest of the children, when PA is actually child abuse, and the paying parent pays in so many bloody ways?! 🤬🤬
🤣🤣🤣 You mean 99% to dads.
Yeah, same with me, see my reply to Russ Thomo. I wanted to be with my daughter like before where she stays with me for at least 2 nights, I'm okay with what I'm paying as long as she stays with me and I spend quality time with her, but to be travelling 200kms just to see her, then pay the amount I'm paying and also spend $400 monthly on food eating out whenever we go out every week, is somewhat too much for me, the formula that CSA gave me to pay $1200 now and around $1500 to $1800 next year is absurd, because I think in their mind they want to PUNISH the paying parent for 'leaving' the child and carer, without taking into consideration the full story of each parent. My ex has her shiny 2-bedroom unit in a every expensive suburb, while I'm renting a 4x6m room to save money for a house I want to buy for my daughter as well, and afford to pay the child support amount at the same time. So here's me, working my a$$ off, stressed at work night sleeping most nights, trying to work as hard so I can save for a house for my daughter, and yet I have to pay this ridiculous CS payment as well. I'm so stressed that I feel i won't live long to see that happen. CSA is just disgusting!
❤❤ same here, narrassisic system...it's a bloody shame, waiting for your kids to become adults 18 until you get to see them, if at all...
@@zainzoala1083 spot on!
I can tell you from personal experience Child Support does not help families or kids rather it can tear them apart. I thank Mr Lancaster and Sen Hanson for the fight. After having hope that this enquiry would finally present fairness and care was deeply dissapointed when it did not do the right thing by (mostly) fathers. This is lawful criminalisation
I agree. I am an advocate for people who are on child support system and I promised myself I would never, ever put a coparent on child support system no matter how much I hated them. Private arrangements only.
Absolutely devasted, I was earning 60k a year and just got a job offer for a 130k a year role. The kids mother doesn’t and has never worked (8 years old). Genuinely questioning whether it’s worth taking the role and getting absolutely anihilated in CS. I could stomach it if the money wasn’t going towards cigarettes tattoos and clothes for herself while the kids have school uniforms with holes in them. I think the only way we could ever get a fair go is if the policy makers had to spend a day in our shoes and realised how impractical and debilitating this formula is for single parents trying to get ahead
It's not worth it. Literally, it is not worth it after the ATO and CSA is factored in.
Just got a salary increase and receive less than I did before after child support is taken out.
Meanwhile he is pulling kids out of private school saying he can't afford it whilst he lives rent free with his parents. I just want to kill myself, at least that way the kids can get savings for their education in a trust fund.
I feel so incredibly defeated.
You can take photos of the kids condition and take it to family, and ask for full custody
Oh man .
My baby momma is getting 3 SSI checks plus child support
My fiancé is similar - mother of his kids never worked and never will. I told him if he ever gets me pregnant he’s taking the maternity leave because it makes financial sense. 🤣
Funnily enough his child support is cheaper if he has a kid with me even if we seperate because I actually work. 🤣
I don’t get how the formula works but it’s nice to know that working women can actually be helpful 2nd baby mammas 🤣🤣🤣
We have all been completely let down by this corrupt government. I have been hoping that this enquiry would reap positive results.
I'm now having to pay $640 per month even though I have my kid's 50% of the time.
This system is screwing people over. I struggle without a car because I can't afford one. This system desperately needs to change.
It's a foam of control..You get smashed with more CS if you have another job to try and keep up with higher living cost school fees, sporting activities etc The government doesn't want us to better ourselves!!!
It is by design. The governments are centrally controlled. Males are the enemy of the globalist because of our strength and ability to conquer. Our kids and our income are what we fight for. So they have built a system globally which slices the heals of men keeping them weak.
The system will change and adapt to how it needs to in order to hide it's real purpose and not get caught out and also as men over time become less of a threat because of other control mechanisms put in place.
I love my daughter. I used to spend 2 nights with her every weekend. But My ex found a way to convince her not to do that anymore and instead just spend , at the most, 1 night with me, making the formula work for my ex since she'll be getting 100% custody in payment calculation. It worked for her, now if I want to see my daughter I will have to travel 200kms, spend $100 just to eat out, and then travel back feeling the emptiness, both with emotion and wallet, because every month I will have to pay CSA $1800, while my ex just bought an expensive 2-bedroom unit priced almost half a million, while she also has a thriving career and a great salary. So at the end of it all, not only did I lose my quality time with my child, but it's also like paying dearly financially for losing that time, it's a double whammy.
Where is the justice in all of these, CSA? Your department is corrupt and disgusting!
Im also dealing with this same issue , my ex withheld me from seeing my kids and claim to have a full custody of the kids , CS has to increase my payment base on that . I have to spent almost $10,000 to a laywer to be able to get some custody of my kids . Now she stop working her part time to be able to get more money from me . This need to change
free money baby mama
Completely spot on. The system is broken and could be so much better for both parents if the payer is not penalised for working harder. Actually, the kids are the losers here. There is less money for the kids when income is reduced by incentive to NOT work. I am happy to sit in on a committee to work out a fairer way for all.
I live in Cairns and she lives in Perth only because she can have full care of my two daughters. I pay 2K a month and on top of that I pay for the flights. I have only $200 a week to live. It's ridiculous, it's better to stop working and have a casual job anyway!
Spewing.!! The system is long overdue for an overhaul.
my idea is that the child support money in stored in another bank account and you can only use it to buy food for lunches shoes for school uniforms etc and if caught buying stuff for yourself them money is taken way from you and depending on the money you spent the punishment is higher
That’s a fantastic idea
Thankyou for your efforts on this . I think the model of a 38 hour week being payable is a lot fairer than the current system, where payers are penalised for improving themselves and their own financial situations. Im a train driver and my child support is $1200 a fortnight.
Great summation and well explained as usual. Awful result and outcome of something that should have been addressed in society 20 years ago. Knowing first hand the bureaucrats, please keep up the fight and cause as your a genuine leader. What really disappoints me is more blokes have lost their lives over the system and child care heartache than this Virus ever will......so awful and tragic for all an sundry.
Ita a bit sad when child support erases a debt over 7000 to support a deadbeat father. Nothing for 2yrs and child support cannot say he has no income when.hes driving new cars, etc. My son is special needs and yet here is child support doing nothing. Literally.
I'd like to know where child support gets off?
I just wanted to tell all the dads on here that they are doing a good job supporting their children with child support. I know you all feel hard done by but you are all doing the right thing by your children 🙏
Keep being awesome Dad's your kids will thank you one day for giving them the best life you could 😊
I pay my taxes and child support, I love my kids and give them everything I can within my means. The million dollar question remains - What is the government doing to resolve CSA deficiencies?
We are grandparents raising our grandchildren 100%of the time. We receive no child support and Child Support advise us that if we persue through them, they will not chase up payments from parents if they do not pay and we may lose our $160 per fortnight Family Tax if we do persue. Wow!! Oh, if we were foster parents, that's different!
I get your point on the formula but the argument is wrong and should not operate the way it works.
1) No one I mean no one should be obligated to give their earned money to anyone else to decide how to spend toward their own children. I earned it I decided how to spend.
2) Noone should be penalised even further to try and earn more money to support itself and their children.
3) It is mind blowing that additional payment directly link to the kids benefits like extra curricular activities are not credit in any shape or form unless receiver is approved.
4) It's a Conflict of Interest to have anyone from the DSS addressing the inquiry as they are more interested on their own job stability
Absolutely agree.
We need to address parents who own a business or are self employed. What about inheritance. My ex received millions in property, cash and has a MBA, can't find a job because he claims he is sick. I paid child support for years, still had to buy them clothes, medical, and put a roof over their heads and mine, when he received millions of dollars worth in assets...all I do is work, and he works on paying NIL child support.
can we appeal their decision and findings?!?!?!? We can’t just let them get away with this rubbish it’s not fair. 50/50 shared care should mean NO money exchanges hands…. Both parents are taking 50% responsibility WTF 🤬🤯🤯😤
Because you’re earning more money than the another parent which means you need to contribute more. Perhaps to find a partner earns the same or more than you.
@@LL-bl1ln the cost to raise a child doesn’t increase because you earn more money it cost the same to raise/feed/cloth a 5 year old as it does for your next door neighbor & if You were looking after the 5 year old for 50% of the time you are already contributing your 50% any other reasoning is just a cash grab and has no bearing on the cost of raising that child
The reasoning is to match quality of life between both homes so there’s no economic favouritism bias towards a parent from the children. The formula doesn’t achieve that though. The formula also forgets that if a non-working parent is in housing, their rent stays 25%. Working parents have higher housing expenses to live in the same quality of house or less.
Can you investigate
if the receiving parent of chid support has to include their chid support income they received in their tax return ? and pay another tax to that too when their ex husband or partner has already paid the tax to that money he’s given as child support
Double charging tax would be so wrongful making money from the money given to kids by a parent who’s already paid tax to these money
Good caring parents will never use their kids to get back at their ex partners. Extrapolate that to family court and child support, there are a hell of a lot of shit parents out there. It just goes to show how many of these people should never have become parents in the first place.
If both men and women would stop having kids out of wedlock and then abandoning each other and the kids their would be no issues.
Hmm great in practice but when the system favours women so much in legal outcomes why wouldn't over 70% of divorces be instigated by women, half if not more of all assets plus govt. Benefits and unfair share of child support. If the law didn't favour one parent over the other to such a degree you would find divorce would be lower
@@shannon7471 the fact is people need to understand that marriage was created by God and if a person is unequally yoked then unfortunately divorce is very highly an outcome. I've had one man in my life ever and that would be my husband dated 1 year then married 15 years 3 beautiful children. Women and men should choose carefully and really take into count their vows and not run when things get tough. Laws are their mostly for women because a woman usually has the kids while the men take off and she has no money unfortunately some woman are quite horrible and should be arrested for what they do to men with custody and child support.
@@shannon7471 I feel very badly for men who have to deal with certain women who literally try to ruin their lives and make them miserable in my opinion those are not women let alone ladies those are horrible people . Men are awesome they truly are women should love and respect men more and appreciate what the men around the world does for us women men do so much and are underapreciated. My father was married several times and had custody / child support issues to it's quite sad. He met my mother and had 5 of us 7 kids total he fathered . Yes their needs to be some better laws to make things a bit more fair especially when women try to abuse the system .
The government just doesn’t care.
Question can a man relinquish all he's rights to the child. Basically the same rights women have to kill pre-born 👶 babies or adoption.
A man should not be forced to pay child support
AMEN 🙏to Pauline Hanson..
After separating, First my ex wife used her friends and family to alienate the kids , made them scared of the father to point kids don’t want to come to the father, next humiliate the father in the town for the father to leave town, next hit with child support fir 4 kids same as her friends who are all single abd living in child support.
No wonder more than 87% of separated family the kids grow up without a father in their life’s with such mothers in Australia
Worst is we have lawyers who thrive in destroying family, who put poison to such revengeful narcissistic toxic mothers to encourage these behaviours and make kids grow without fathers . These illegal family war creating causing lawyers need to be put behind bars first fir the genocide stolen generations they creating to gain money financial benefits
In our separation my ex got 250k of my superannuation leaving me 45k. She gets a million dollar home on the beach. I have to sell our investment property to pay off the mortgages that I pay. I will then have to give her a 1k a fortnight, save a deposit for some land and start again. Im being alienated from my kids as each day goes. It's s crap system
I’m feeling you, no matter how much I earn it seems to leave me in the same amount after it all, and then I get slapped with another “oh you owe us more, we’ll just garnish your wages again”
Trying to get ahead means going around the system, which unless you do the ‘wrong’ (and I use that term in the loosest possible sense) then you’re in a loop of barely being able to afford a damn thing.
And yet, on the other side they’re crying that they don’t receive enough. And that seems to be the only voice that people want to hear.
Some old story, No one can make a bigger pig's ear of something than a Govt can.
It would have been nice if you had offered some comments in here from those higher earning parents who are being screwed over by this messed up formula. Ex wives who reduce their hours, keep the house , bank a million dollars and constantly have his business assessed so the child support office QUITE LITERALLY MAKE UP HIS INCOME. Oh and stop the guy from ever seeing his kids!
Yep I hear you. She got the brand new $750,000 dollar home for a measly $20,000 pay out. Tried to make me out to be a sexual predator to our children. All the while got AVO's on me when she was doing the physical and verbal abuse. I spent $7000 to get them back whilst she got done for using Ice and I was treated like a criminal. Unfortunately my daughter has been brainwashed to ignore me, thank God for my son.
Plays the victim card when times are tough requesting extra money for the kids whilst she game plays CS making cash money frim hairdressing at her mum's home on the side. Uses Child Support as a threat if payments are lower than expected even if I don't make much money. I don't know how mothers can pretend to raise their children the right way and shaft their partners at the same time. The system is Corrupt.
I was on a carers pension for 2 years looking after mum and unbeknown to me the CSA had me registered as earning $490K a year even though they were garnisheeing the pension for 10%. I now have a debt of over 110K and climbing even though my youngest is now 23.
These people are criminals. This report is bullshit. So disappointing.
I ahve had fathers contact me in similar situation living OS that cant come back because they have huge debts equally unjust and travel restriction that would mean if they do they could not leave. One father contacted me had attempted suicide.
These people are sycophants living off the public purse, sprouting bullshit as they destroy lives.
Wait, WHAT. Do you pay child support after they're 18?
I work fifo. I earn 155k a year. I still think $866 per fortnight is a joke. I think the only way I’m going to be able to improve my lifestyle is to job share and cut my wages in half. It’s unfair on my kids but I don’t wish to buy a house for my ex because she thinks (and so does CSA it seems) she is entitled to only work 13 hours a week.
Social Services Legislation Amendment (Child Support Measures) Bill 2023
Seeking
further
information
pp. 16-25
Departure authorisation certificates
Right to freedom of movement
This bill would expand the circumstances in which a child support debtor who is
subject to a departure prohibition order (restricting them from leaving Australia)
may be refused a departure authorisation certificate (which would allow them to
leave Australia for a foreign country). It would provide that a certificate cannot be
issued solely where a person has given a security for their return (as the law
currently provides). The bill would require that a person must have given a security
for their return and have satisfied the Child Support Registrar that they will wholly
or substantially discharge the outstanding child support or carer liability (or the debt
is irrecoverable or they will likely no longer have such a debt).
This limits the right to freedom of movement. The Minister for Social Services
provided the committee with information in relation to the compatibility of the
measure with this right. However, the committee considers that further
information is required to fully assess the compatibility of the measure, and is
seeking further information from the minister.
I happily pay for my child if only go to my child. The father stayed home and received money from the government disagreeing to do anything to help my child grow and learn. The quality of life at dad's is low, including school is poor. I go to count I don't know what can I do to help my child. He want to keep my kid for more money because he is not working, make me question should I work or what.
What do they do in the UK I wonder? If we`re incapable of running our own affairs because we don`t seem to have any clue why don`t we look at "the mother country" and see what they do there?
The UK formula is more in line with what we proposed to the Inquiry. Amount just depends on payer's income, and no child support with 50:50 care. They do, however, take a quite large slice of income. www.gov.uk/calculate-child-maintenance
I wouldn’t even purpose using that system just as bad
I pay $1300 per month to my child's mother who is making $150K per year. She just went on a nice vacation abroad with her new boyfriend while I'm eating rice and beans and racking up more credit card debt every month. I'm getting to the point where I'm ready to just disappear and start a new life over somewhere else.
Same happened to me. Can you do cash in hand work ? 50% on the books 50% cash. My child support dropped from $1400 per month to $520 pm. Need to beat the corrupt system before it beats you into the gutter.
it bit confusing... Example if one parents is paying $500/month for 8 years old child and after few month he/she started earning more, than how come child support grows to $700/month for the same age child? if someone earning 120k year it goes to $1000/month for same age child. I dont think child need a $1000//month. It has to calculated according to the average expenses on child.. and not based on parents income.
Yes, it is ridiculous how somehow children who have a parent on a high-income somehow magically costs more than a child with a parent on welfare. It's amazing how child support can be more than an adult will be expected to live on off of Job Seeker payments, and sometimes even the pension.
Well done on bringing a spotlight on this issue, Thankyou for all your videos , and your fighting the system and thank you for your your appearances in Parliamentary Committees
i have 2 kids , she has one and i have another. i pay $500/fortnight, i had both kids for a year where she paid me for 2 kids 100% care 14/fortnight. explanation she is self employed and runs 3 successful businesses but doesnt pay herself a wage, just skims off the top and pays other family members but actually it goes back into her hand. Isnt that fraud? apparently not. well done Aussie government
You need to initiate a change of assessment process with CSA.
i live in a different state to my children. I spend more on flights in school holidays than i spend on child support yet CSA dont count this in the formula either
I guess that settles it then and we can all just give up hope that it’s ever going to change. Time to just do the dodgy and do exactly what the RP is doing and declare no income. 15 1/2 years left of this shit system and having your life determined by it.
My partner and I have been working to try and even get him to be able to get to talk to the kids. He doesn’t get to see them at all because his ex took them and moved to another state and she won’t answer the phone. Covid hit everyone hard and he hasn’t had work for months, but the only thing she seems to care about is how much money he’s sending under the guise that “she want last the kids to have a good relationship with him”, but then only baits him with photos and promises of contact, only to ask him to pay more (that he doesn’t have) and he still doesn’t get contact.
It’s heartbreaking
I was co-parenting happily with my ex until she lost her single parenting payment for her other kid, now I pay $640/w to someone who has worked a total of 3 months in 10 years while I receive no credit for the things I still pay for and her partners income and other payments are conveniently not considered as income. I haven't had a holiday in 5 years while she gets a free ride for the next 12. It is mind blowing that a committee can get together and not figure out how blatantly unfair that is.
@Child Support Australia are there any moves to keep this injustice in the forefront of the minds of these politicians?
This is so wrong. I have worked hard to increase my income over the years, to support my family - unfortunately it didn't work out with my ex-wife and in the end we have agreed to a 42/58 split of custody. I would prefer 50/50, but in order for me to earn more money to pay for the mounting bills, mortgage rate increases and cost of living pressure I have had to forgo extra time to spend with my child. Our income asssessments have come in for FY22-23 and she took 3-4 months off work, penalizing me. My CS payment increase now takes 40% of my extra income, leaving me worse off for earning more money.
We have an amicable agreement regarding our child, but it just isn't right that I have to give away so much of my income because someone isn't motiviated to work more and earn more money - there should be a payable amount calculated based on care percentage, it rely so much on income alone because it's clear where both parents interests lye at the moment.
I have 50 percent care and the mother stayed under self support amount, so I was paying her over $1000 a month on average. This is after she took the house fully paid off by me too. Tell me how that's fair for me or my children. What a joke. If I was female they wouldn't have treated me like this
Dead wrong buddy, us mothers are being screwed over just as hard.
I have some questions and points. Does any Centrelink payments going to the payee taken into account on income, and that includes concessions such as health. Also in Australia, there is no 'divorce' papers as such (in US). A women can just leave, and unless taking to court for custody, the man just accepts the fate (usually one weekend a fortnight). The system is broken.
Needs to be known that the committee members were Liberals Kevin Andrews, Claire Chandler , Fiona Martin, Matt O'Sullivan and Terry Young, and Labor Anne Aly, Graham Perrett Helen Polley and then also Zali Steggall.
Calculate it pre-tax, take it out pre-tax or calculate it off what we actually get in the hand.
Surely this shit has a cap, I got a wife and two children to support.
They are meant to leave you with the minimal livable wage (or at least your employer does and advised CS they got their order wrong).
No joke CS will try to send orders to your employers asking to deduct more than you earn sometimes. They are a nightmare on everyone, not just the people who pay it.
Don’t worry about your wife if she works and open to private arrangements. You probably won’t get gipped.
The current system is absolutely a disgrace to Australia and as bad as it sounds it currently encourages divorce or partners to leave and screw the other parent over and not have to work and enables them to destroy the life of the responsible caring supporting and hardworking income earning parent ensuring that they remain enslaved to a relationship that they are no longer in I am all for looking after my children but 50/50 is not 50/50 according to the government. if you work hard and you earn decent money you would think you would be doing alright but the CSS will change that for you it turns you into the working poor pay to pay week to week you will never be able to get your life back you will never be able to get ahead we can't let the irresponsible parent be seen for what they are we must make them look like they are doing everything for the kids, giving the responsible parent all the stress of looking after the children financially because the ex is 'entitled' to the lifestyle you supplied them with for years which was not good enough that you leave but then are so adamant we keep supplying them with it what a joke it's no wonder the male suicide rate is so high when it comes to this problem especially when the government encourages this shit to happen and if you speak out about this massive problem faced by so many you then become the target for hate and discrimination accused of not wanting to care for your kids which is bullshit as that is all any responsible parent wants to do is to care for their kids but they just don't want to be treated like shit because the government allows them to get screwed over by the CSS. The whole movement for the equal opportunity and gender diversity in the workplace these days is unbelievably huge and these people who say that women do not have the capability or capacity to earn good money is going against everything they have fought for and still fight for. The current system does so much more damage than it does good but our DUMBF@#K government doesn't care about this issue it would rather raise the cost of living and everything else around us just to make it even harder to live.
I love how I pay for the privilege of not getting to see my child as ordered by the Family Court.
I know for a fact that they could never touch my money as I was not the biological parent to them, my income is only for my children.
seems to get extra suicides/murders frequently as well tbh
I'm curious how the government's use of statute of limitations recently effects the legalities of something that happened decades ago?
And that's if you even got a choice...
Almost broke. two jobs to survive
Disappointing that the committee failed. I'm still paying child support on a 50% custody. Can we appeal this on a new set of committee and not the useless committee members?
The committee was never there to succeed, its only mission was to make it appear the powers that be gave a rats
Happy to pay my share to help the kids
My daughter is 17 left school has a full time job plus a part time job as she is keen to save
I still pay her mother child support
Filling out a form to change assessment where they as k for every detail even my super
Witch I think the other party see this WHY
They already know what I earn
I like to help my daughter more financially and do to a point and would more if wasn’t paying child support
Just want to move on from ex wife and enjoy life with my daughter without this financial burden on my shoulders
@drlancaster. Well done on this cause and channel. Definitely helps knowing there are others experiencing the same frustration and challenges.
Quick question: Are there any published stats on income assessment review outcomes? It seems from the anecdotal evidence here, and in other forums, that there is potentially a large amount of discrimination and bias in adjudicating these assessment reviews. I’d love to be able to quote those stats to the reps at CSA when I’m appealing yet another negative outcome…
I’d be very interested to know this also.
If you earned more why wouldn't you want your child to receive more unless your a deadbeat?
From someone with 100% care covering all parenting and finances for 5 out of 6.5years due to an abandoning deadbeat and his entire family also. I dont have the ability to go out and earn bulk through work to help our lives due to no support with my child and even if I was able to it wouldnt be as much as a non carer thats for damn sure and still whatever I make I then lose through social support. He owns his own house and buisness paid full in cash while we were together meanwhile we are stuck in an uninhabitable social housing property. Gov tries tells us they give a shit about Australia's children it's quite obvious that's completely false
Even the assessments that are done despite never paid never have reached above $2000 a year... and he's not even on social support. I'd be better off if he was which is disgusting
any updates? how can we get something to change!? wasn't Pauline Hanson doing something at one stage?
My ex (RP) went from 90k/y to suddenly never earning over the CSA self support amount (for the past 8 years). So I’m reducing my income from 300k to about 130k, but I still pay reasonable stupid amounts of child support. One things for sure, I will never vote for a major party again. Pauline will have my vote in ‘22. Hit ‘them’ where it hurts!
I am more then happy paying my. Fair shear but my x wife deliberately won’t let me have my son over nights because then she can’t claim every cent of family tax and I pay even more child support even know I see him almost daily. It’s a fucken joke fathers don’t have a chance
Currently am almost homeless and disable ( cervical, lumbar and sacral )vertebrae are desicate dry and 6 bulge disks now physically and mentally fu... after meet and have child with my ex I was working morning and night and plus travel up and down to pick and drop my child I wasn`t support my son but her and her lazy habit smoke and weed. Now she got gov money, housing and respite. Me who care man in Australia are nothing when we separate from the queen ( wife ).
absolutely… My partner and I had 50/50 custody of our son for his whole life until my stepson was 14, then suddenly my stepson’s mother allowed him to live absolutely responsibility free (allows no school, drug use and free reign of where he goes every night) so she manipulates him to stay there full time, now we have to pay her full time custody and have our son withheld from seeing his father 🤷🏼♀️ And child protection say he isn’t in “immediate danger” so don’t care. This is systematic incentivised child abuse
oh and she has made this her occupation, she has never had a job at 35, just multiple children with unsuspecting short term boyfriends. (they were 19 when they conceived jack “accidentally”) The system is so broken that it incentivises this abuse
I have 27% of my kids and when they play up Its 100% my fault go figure that out
My ex isn't gaming the Child Support system. She is gaming the tax system. Gaming the Child Support system is a by-product of this.
Is this the end of the road for any current or further action to see a fairer change to the child support scheme?
What would happen if all paying parents just stopped paying? We had a moratorium on payments until our concerns were taken seriously? You know paying parents paid 3.7 Billion dollars to their ex partners last financial year (that's tax free). Maybe paying parent should just go on strike given we are getting screwed here.
Ohh they've done plenty of critical thinking on their schemes. The outcome is not a bug, it is a feature.
How it going to work if other parent doesn't want to have child .
Anybody on here been subject to the REMO process? My Ex skipped the country with our kid years ago and there was nothing I could do to get them back to the UK. She then attempted to get child support from me through REMO in AU. I successfully fended them off and haven't paid a penny, absolute winner, not for the kid though. Omelettes and eggs I suppose, but Child Support is definitely messed up across the board.
Child support is a business and no one wins but services Australia it’s not all going to the child, should be a 50/50 responsibility for cost for the child no matter the care arrangements not the more you try to get ahead the more it costs to raise a child
I think if a parent could contribute with buying the food, the clothing, school uniforms, pay half of the whatever agreed bills directly ( sports, schooling, et..) that would eliminate a lot of the problems. But no $$$ directly being given to mums that won't spend one penny on the kid, yet will buy themselves whatever goods they want and neglect the kids true needs.. or dads could put it in a bank account in the kids name, that nobody by law, can touch it. Only the kid once of age!
Child support amount usually can not even cover rent in Sydney if you live in good areas unless you have free housing, shared or live at west. And your FTB also decreases when you’re receiving child support so it’s really not that much money to raise a child it’s simply not enough. Grocery, snacks, shopping, furnitures, hair cuts, eating out, clothes, shoes, entertainment, holidays, classes, childcare, toys.... child support is a drop in the ocean, it’s not enough! It’s only %12 of your income. How does that make the paying parent broke I don’t get it
I consider doing cash work every time my x wife cuts off all contact with my
They are living in Brazil I pay the maximum amount the system is set up so well fuck over the father. but it makes no sense for her to come back to Australia she is living the high life and I don't even get to see my kids
And child support let you know that do not give a F
I wouldn't send her the maximum at all... dodge it
@@sofiadestlaurent9405 I have no choice it goes through your tax. Even worse I've got a good paying job. Only positive is I am incentivize to not do Saturdays because then the child support goes up
@@neejazzey im really sorry to hear that. What goes around comes back around.. she may think she is winning now, but one day, things will change, and you will have the last laugh. 🙏
Very true just a shame that it is kids who are caught up in the I seen your I do believe if they had a card a card for all the kids late you mentioned in the other common it would change the game we all want to see the best for our little Little monkeys
Do appreciate your message you seem pretty cool
i wont work becuse agin because the work im given.i work hard .no reward than if i do iys just taken im shot by tjhis child surrport should be ablished the that workes harder should be rewarard the goverenment should never step in it be up to enployer.not govermennt
i think child support clain should be removed from all the court, since the parents one divorced they should make theier deal with minimus and should not deal with money. to reduce negative effects of child suport. if father doesn,t pay for his child , easy she can gave him his child he eat with him
love your work
She also forgets and you got about level suide . Than why Iam I paying ove 10,000 per year . And can’t afford to live and he uses this system to keep up the finachial abuse me . Thier really no point in getting a divorce from him the only difference is can no longer physically abuse me .
I don't have it as bad as others in this comments list. However, I am a payer and have my children 50% of the time (one week off one week on) I earn around 40k extra than my ex who has 2 extra children, I am really getting over being penalised in trying to create a great future for my kids and having to pay my ex when it is not my decision that she earns less. (p.s. I pay approx $200 a fortnight for 2 kids)
i know marriage rate is low but make it even lower. the law are no way fair
at least with child support you get rubbed once. but if you get married you add half your life saving to it plus spousal support which non of them are fair for a divorce initiated by your women
sure if the man the one divorcing it seems fair so he can't throw people. but neither women should be allowed to steal people by divorcing
Can it be reviewed or is this it?
The Inquiry has concluded. The DSS or Australian Government could push to change the formula at any time if they wanted to.
@@childsupportaustralia5612 which wont happen. What i would like to know is how I can get an email statement tonight that shows my next payment is 300 more with my pay remaining the same? I would also like to know why debt and deductions aren't factored in. The fact that i was left with a vehicle lease and debt repayments as well as paying half child care and full private health and am flat broke within a week and have been luky enough to have a work residence but have been told that i need to be out by June. Not sure how I will be able to find upwards of $900 a fortnight for rent when all i am left with is lucky to be $300. Absolute Joke
@@childsupportaustralia5612 can we appeal their decision and findings?!?!?!? We can’t just let them get away with this rubbish it’s not fair. 50/50 shared care should mean NO money exchanges hands…. Both parents are taking 50% responsibility WTF 🤬🤯🤯😤
I think it is appalling that fathers deny their children financially by dodging child support....the money is for the kids. Where there is domestic violence in those cases it is not safe for children to be continuously abused. These children suffer the most with financial abuse still occurring well after separation.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Mums deny Dad access to children and children access to dads. Mum's steal fatherhood and use the state apparatus to coerce men to pay. I suggest men be allowed to parent and father their children.
Could you pleases answer this question what do you say where thier has been reproductive co-erosion thay then use the system to continue to abuse the other parent . Should that perent have to pay . Is you can prove that other perent have to pay ? My ex dose the exact thing I took 14 years of abuse than got pregnant becuse I simply refused to have children .
How can I
T.C.
@Child Support Australia so is the fight over?
See what Pauline does after the election.
@@childsupportaustralia5612 hope 🙌🏼
@@childsupportaustralia5612 Yep not much changed; Us father’s are still stuck with being denied 50-50, so we can be used as a bank for make up, lattes and extended breakfast’s with the other mothers scheming on the system. This country is becoming a joke.
When it comes to child support you are suppose to rip that sh!t off! Child support shouldn't exist....
Can we name names who vote against the recommendation.
We need to be able to point fingers cause I don't want to vote for a anyone who does not support changes
It is has affected my life and my kids life. It is an absurd.
The Liberal and Labor party politicians voted against changing anything.
Men here’s a simple solution…….. if you DO NOT SEE Or have any access at all to your children due to parental alienation or unfair parenting conditions or rights simply REFUSE to Pay Child Support.
If you see your child or children and it’s 50/50 then support should be fair on both parents halves! Because it takes both parents to raise and support a child or children
3. The other thing is as Men who don’t see our children demand that we are to see where the money that we provide goes. Otherwise refuse to give money to the opposing parent and place the so called support money into your childrens bank account!
Child support will be happy to assist and allow this but both parents have to agree on this and must be signed off on,
I haven’t seen my child for eight months now and it’s NOT that I haven’t wanted to or that I chose to not see her it’s simply because i was pushed out of her life under Full Family Law Court Orders, so you tell me why I should support the opposing parent for pushing me out of my child’s life on her punishing grounds.
There’s just some tips Child support if you read this I’m all for supporting the child or children but let’s be realistic here it cost men and fathers money also when we have our kids in our homes too. So let’s consider that we too need to survive on what we need to. Children need both parents and not just one! We need to understand that Men and Dads love their kids too!
You can refuse because the take it out of toy account regardless
You obviously have no idea how it works
If you refuse to pay they can still get to you. BUT, it costs them time and money and for every dollar they steal, it costs them time and money. It slows everything down and the bureaucracy becomes very bloated. Now if all men who absolutely despise this system, as I do, stood together instead of buckling to the corrupt whims of communist Australia, we might just put enough pressure on the system to break it. Yes they can get at 1 man maybe 10. But al of us? At the same time. Imagine the pressure. Think Vietnam war stop works and the trucker rally in Canada.
This channel is a perfect example of why we have a support system. This is public and your accounts can be traced back to you. I see a few incriminating comments posted here. The tax man is watching and so are your ex solicitors.
Do you think the child support system is fair?
@@DanWallis86 I think it wouldn’t be needed if fathers took more responsibility and care. It’s capped a $2500 a month regardless of how much you earn. Don’t avoid doing tax returns and complain when you have a massive debt and can’t leave the country.
A high income mother that doesn’t have custody will pay the same child support as a father would in the same position. It not bias to gender. Men and some women can earn more when they don’t have the responsibility of looking after children/child daily or don’t have to pay for childcare. If you choose to only see your children four times a month you should pay child support.
@@chloegrant8123 I agree. But it also doesn’t cost $1000 per fortnight to look after kids.
@@DanWallis86 It does if there are major medical issues with the children, braces and psychology. Sorry I disagree with you Chloe Grant...if my ex could he wouldn't pay a cent, as he does not want to accept responsibility for them.
@@suzanacampbell5895 I’d like to think I was a better human being than to let kids suffer without financial support. I’m lucky enough to have to healthy kids.