Just give Kim Dokja the solo leveling manhwa before he enters the world of solo leveling. Damn the way this man exploits his knowledge just shows his critical thinking and creativity is just that good.
@@TranscendentOxide He will still know exactly what to do to survive and even manipulate Sung Jinwoo like how he manipulated Yoo Joonghyuk of the 1863rd turn
@@TranscendentOxide He will have his ability "Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint", so as long as he understands the characters he can do exactly what they do as well as them
I'm a fan of both but I agree. I mean, (Spoiler) the moment Kim Dokja stops "dreaming" not just the world but all of the other world lines would stop immediately from functioning since he created everything. That guy defeated Greek Gods, Norse Gods, Egyptian Gods, The Angels, Demons and a lot more. Also, he cannot be killed. He's a demon king but have the blessing of the angels of eden, his adoptive parents are Persephone and Hades (He's the heir of the Underworld.) AND He's an Ancient God The Oldest Dream, and Omniscient at the same time. Wow. I love him but I just realised how powerful this btch is BUT I JUST HATE THE FACT THAT HE KEEP ON SACRIFICING HIMSELF!?
cap not from same god damn book bro Dokja has no power that would work on him sung jinwoo is death powers work anywhere he goes and you can see it for your self he goes to a different dimension powers still work powers that only work in your book don't do anything out side
@@Pozinn7890 kid sun Jin woo seal his power in other dimension that his verse not gets destroyed 1. True Omnipotence - Dimensional Manipulation sung jin woo covered in shadows At the end of Solo Leveling, Sung Jin-Woo gained total control over an infinite-sized world called the “Territory of Eternal Rest.” In other words, he is the ruler of that world - he determines everything that happens in the boundless world. The concept of omnipotence in fiction is quite complex. The usual classification includes Meta Omnipotence, Absolute Omnipotence, True Omnipotence, Practical Omnipotence, Questionable Omnipotence Almightiness, Nigh Omnipotence & Specialized Omnipotence. These Omnipotence types vary significantly; however, Sung Jin-Woo's power over the Territory of Eternal Rest makes him a True Omnipotent being in that world. it shows how powerful he is in the Solo Leveling world. 2. Acausality - A Being That Transcends Time sung jin woo solo leveling manhwa shadow smoke walking Even in the fictional world, the concept of time is an intangible entity that most characters are subject to. Time always catches up to everyone, even some "immortals." However, the rule doesn't apply to Sung Jin-Woo. At the end of Solo Leveling, he achieved "Acausality," an ability that grants him immunity from the concept of time in any and every way. In other words, Sung Jin-Woo transcends time as the entity doesn't affect him. This makes him un-killable since most characters that achieve Acausality can't be killed easily. Even though one version of them is killed, they still exist on another timeline. Simply put, the concept of the past, present, and future is inapplicable to acausal characters because even if they are killed in the present, they still exist in the future. They tweak the very fabric of time, making their existence complex and difficult to fathom. 3. Existential Erasure sung jin woo holding a dagger and staring fiercely Generally, the Monarchs in Solo Leveling possess profound powers and abilities. One such ability is the capacity to erase one's presence from the very fabric of existence. This means that no parts of the person exist even at the sub-atomic level. Usually, when people die, their remains serve as nutrients in the Earth & atmosphere. So, some parts remain after death. However, the dreadful ability, existential erasure, erases a person totally without any traces left. Sung Jin-Woo possesses this ability and is immune to it. Consequently, other people with the ability can’t use it on him. 4. Sung Jin-Woo's strength, despite being a necromancer, is impressive. The first proof of his physical strength was his ability to defeat Thomas Andre, revered as the "World's Strongest Hunter,” using nothing but his fists. Even after Thomas used Spiritual Body Manifestation - his apex power, he was still beaten by Sung Jin-Woo to the point that he fainted. Sung Jin-Woo also defeated the Beast Monarch, who had strength as his forte among his prime abilities. At the end of Solo Leveling, Sung Jin-Woo was strong enough to destroy the glaxies with just his presence, proving that his strength wasn't to be trifled with.
Existence Erasure, Absolute Erasure, Durability Negation, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Power Modification, Power Nullification, Chaos Manipulation, Power Negation, Resistance Negation, Resistance, Void Manipulation, Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1,2,& Type 3), Life Manipulation, Outer God's manipulation, Nothingness Nagation, All Heavenly Realm manipulation, All Dark Realm manipulation, Fate Nagation, Death Manipulation, Death Nagation, Life creation, Victory manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Law Manipulation(Can manipulate the laws of heaven and earth ), Logic Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Erased Manipulation, Outer verse Manipulation, Life and death Manipulation:(All Types), Eternal Manipulation, Devine Manipulation, Elements Manipulation, Ceal Manipulation, Null Manipulation, Creations Manipulation, Reality Manipulation, Infinity Manipulation, Eternity Manipulation, All Heaven's and Hell Manipulation, Qi Manipulation(All Types), Conceptual Manipulation (All 1,2,3), Explosion Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation , Mind Manipulation (Can read the mind via Mind-Reading Ability; Can extract memories and manipulate them - replace, remove, erase, even sending them to other characters), Memory Manipulation , Biological Manipulation (Can eliminate cancer cells within one body; ), Gravity Manipulation (His aura if not pulled back will create an intense magnetic energy field that would interfere even with the virtual data/information making them crash), Illusion Creation (Illusion), Matter Manipulation (Can reduce others to elemental particles in the blink of an eye and manipulate their state of being by turning it into energy), Soul Manipulation, Transmutation (can change someone's appearance), Power Absorption, Telepathy and Telekinesis (Can talk using just the mind and control things using it), Body Puppetry , Time Manipulation, Body Control (Can manipulate his body to get ride of fat or manipulate his hair), Avatar Creation (Via Great Separation Spell), Space-Time Manipulation, Outer-Dimensional Travel (Can travel through Outer-dimensions), Invisibility , Purification, Heal (Can heal and cure any physical problem or even mental diseases), Sealing (Via Great Evil Containment Wave), Summoning (Can summon Shadows/Rulers), Portal Creation (Can open tunnels that lead into the boundless vastness of the outer-verse), Dimensional Storage, Shapeshifting (Via Great Transfiguration Spell), Spiritual Pressure (His spiritual pressure is so immense that it would immobilize others, making them completely unable to move) infinite, Dimensional Attack(His attacks can bypass the dimensional wall), Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Memory Manipulation ( With Amnesia Punch can make one forget even his own mother) Omniversal Manipulation (Capable to create and manipulate everything in the entire Omniverse just by his thoughts will), Nothingness Manipulation (LN Sun-jin-woo passed the third of the mirror of nothingness. A prompt appeared in the void, that at least 8 +∞ are required to pass), Transcendent Attacks, Restoration, Cosmic Manipulation, Chaos Manipulation, Creation,
It depends on the cosmology of the verse for example omnipotence irl would only be the strongest you can possibly be in the universe so take tensura for example with a high cosmology of 1A against DBZ cosmology of 4A if an omnipotent being from each fought each other tensura omnipotent being would win purely due to the fact that their verse allows for them to get stronger than a lower cosmology verse that can only get to the strongest of their lower cosmology verse
Guys, if you’re looking for something good to read, I recommend 'Athena's General Reincarnated in Another World.' It tells the story of a General who became a God after defeating the entire Greek Olympus by eliminating his arch-nemesis, the goddess Athena. After becoming the Sovereign God, he decides to die as a human. Upon his death, the entity Charon sends him to another world filled with magic. In this world, he has everything he always wanted (family and friends). However, this world is at war, and his people are threatened. Now he must use his skills from the other world and the magic of this one. What’s cool about this story is that it features magical creatures, relics, ocular powers, and the interesting twist is that the Goddess Athena (his arch-nemesis) haunts him as a ghost.
Jinwoo can’t be erased from existence and jinwoo is stronger than absolute being who created everything in existence except for light and darkness which is what jinwoo is
@@silentbandito7856 XD ???????? w h o SAY THAT, cuz in ALL the after story he still a Mortal realm existence with godly powers, not a divine existence who cant die of old, all the absolute rulers can still make a 3-4 vs 1 and still win
@@silentbandito7856 of course, jinwoo can be erased from existence, he is not NOTHING stronger that the absolute being that created his universe, he is in the peal lvl but not THAT stronger, rulers still in the same lvl that him, and can still bang him in a 3vs1
@@grmp1e Despite KDJ having the same constellation name even at the ending, they’re using the other titles to refer to what form is being used i.e. Demon King of Salvation = the time KDJ was a constellation, Most Ancient Dream = the time KDJ stayed behind and was at the 0th regression, and Final Wall Dokja = him at the true ending.
Might as well just say, "if you're talking about KDJ as a new born child then no, but if you talking when he becomes the literal creator of the universe, it is true"
100% cap not from same god damn book bro Dokja has no power that would work on him sung jinwoo is death powers work anywhere he goes and you can see it for your self he goes to a different dimension powers still work powers that only work in your book don't do anything out side
yeah solo leveling's rly good but it isnt even a fair to compare sung jinwoo and kim dokja. I mean, as the oldest dream he essentialy was so omnipotent that he created omnipotent beings and gave someone else the power to bypass his omnipotence.
Finally. This is the first post with Kim Dokja in it squeals in delight Massive spoilers ahead for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. Do not read unless you have finished the entire novel. To understand the power of KDJ one has to understand what he is and the cosmology of ORV There are infinite timeless/universes in the main dimension of ORV. The age-old question of "if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" applies to this verse. In order for these timelines to exist, there must be someone or something to "observe" or more accurately, "read" it. That is the purpose of the Oldest Dream. As it "reads" everything going on in these timelines, it constantly creates new ones according to its imagination. This is why he scales to multiversal+ EOS Dokja became the Oldest Dream. However, he fragmented his soul to be spread all across these universes in order to be the Oldest Dream. Thus, he is no longer KDJ. His reincarnations are neither aware that they were "Kim Dokja", nor are they aware of their powers. However, they still fulfill the role of the Oldest Dream by observing their respective universes. KDJ could literally be some random guy on the street. For this reason, while he can create infinite universes, he has no actual combat power. Sung Jinwoo claps.
uh you do know that he was a mythic rated constellation before he became OD... and he have the 거대 설화 that is capable of defending him with the story and 무대화 and only way to counter is to respond with the same " story " and this was proven when he met the strongest character of another book, that trained billions of years, becoming the ultimate being. and When he fought Kim dok ja, even though he was physically beyond dokja, he was never able to get close to him due to one of OD's authorities ( that one of the authorities, think it like Gojo's infinity but without any weakness )@@carlososler7024
Kim dokja tier is 9-B | 8-A, higher with The Immortal King | 5-B, High 4-C with Watcher of Light and Darkness, 4-B with Prisoner of the Constrictive Headband | At least 2-A with the oldest dream | At least 2-A with the oldest dream, Possibly Low 1-C (low complex multiverse) with final wall. while sung jin woo at least tier 5B (Characters or objects that can create/destroy a planet.) Likely far more higher. So the winner Kim dokja
@@Downbad_gil Even though I used the info from the wiki, it was still Kim dokja who won, and the wiki also took Kim dokja's power scale from the novel.
As someone fan of both series, i would say Jinwoo could topped constellation, sure. But i like the image that Dokja and Jinwoo just chill, both as strongest character in their own series, having a conversation or something. Dokja loves to read, im pretty sure he would love to listen Jinwoo stories as well. Both having tragic background, these two would definitely be friends:'D
Sorry for the SL fanboys trying to say that Sung Jinwoo wins, but you do realize that killing KDJ would mean he would stop dreaming cuz death is sort of like an eternal, *dreamless* slumber, which also means every single existence would cease to exist as a result, so there’s no way ur OP edgy MC can win without dying as well
Solo leavling cosmology bruh even a single universe in Sol contains at least over 20 mathematical dimensions and Jungian architypes which alone makes it's baseline Outerversal while As explained in Ragnarok Outer God's creates infinite universe's with each universe being a metaverse and containing over 20 mathematical dimensions and Jungian architypes which alone scale Outer God's to Outer to layers in Outerversal and Jin woo in Ragnarok One shot these Outer God's. Not to mention that dojka (/Ln/Wn) doesn't even make it to Outerversal..
@@YoWaiMo-999 uhm did you even read the ending of the LN? it states that right after HSY opens the door, there are 2 options. Option 1 says, if kim dokja wakes up then everything will stop and he will be incomplete. options 2 says that, he will stay asleep but, his soul will be scattered around all universes and he will continue to read different stories for those universes to exsist. Unless if you didn't read the end properly or you skipped something then of course you won't know about this.
@@x_sph "do you even" yes I did. Even If it's infinite set of universes with each set containing infinite more universes and dojka one shot all those just by thinking which is orv cosmology>>> it still don't make dojka strong enough to even come close to low-outerversal tier let alone outerversal... And each Monarch's embodied different types of platonic Concepts. And platonic concepts are outerversal by their nature making Monarch's outerversal too. and Jin Woo later on become strong enough to one tap them. And the sole reason that dojka force to choose option is just itself a prove that he isn't Omnipotent while Jin Woo even became Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient in his domain.
@@YoWaiMo-999 since when was he forced to choose I didn't even say that it was Dokja that had to choose, It was HSY short for Han Sooyoung. Never said it was Dokja who had to choose.
@@x_sph you know omnipotent beings don't need an option to chose😑 also if that's not the case then why even he go sleep . You're now making excuses at this point based on your assumption.
So for anyone, and I'm stating ANYONE, who thinks that Sung Jinwoo is stronger than Kim Doka, then you're wrong. Kim Dokja is way too OP, nothing can beat him. If he wakes up from his slumber, everything is gone, that also includes other universes like SL. But if he stays asleep in his slumber, nothing will be destroyed. He also basically wrote his own story. At the end of the LN of ORV, it shows that when one of companions opened the door, it gave her 2 options. 1 is that Kim Dokja will wake up, and everything will be destroyed, but his soul and body will be incomplete. 2 is that he will continue to sleep in his slumber, but his soul will be scatter around every universe, and he will continue to read. That's why most people in the comments are saying on how Kim Dokja LN can solo anyone just by waking up.
If we're ignoring the Most Ancient Dream, and both are at their prime And if we're considering that Dokja is fighting solo without his gang, while Jinwoo has his shadow army Dokja beats Jinwoo, if not completely blitzes him in a 1v1 fight with Way of the Wind and Lightning Transformation combined If we're counting Son Wukong Dokja, he wipes the floor with Jinwoo even with his army But Dokja vs Jinwoo in an army fight, final arc, no coins, just his Fables, I'd say Dokja is in favor because of his scaling at the end of the series, but it isn't a sweep. Maybe a 6:4 in Dokja's favor. If we include
@@cowplusdog5655 That could be debatable if Jinwoo's Shadow Sovereign abilities could protect them from the status immobilization, if we consider Jinwoo's status high enough to resist a Myth grade constellation. If Dokja can freeze the army with just unleashing his status, then Dokja wins 9:1. I'm giving a little leeway to Jinwoo since Shadow Sovereign peak Jinwoo's feats aren't well covered. We know he wiped out all the enemies after returning in time, so he can probably damage Dokja.
@@tyrantworks9604 If we're gonna rank Jinwoo in orv world. He's atleast a myth grade. However, Dokja becomes something way above that. The most powerful outergod. Although he can't interfere with scenerious without punishment, he can just sacrifice a pinkie to kill jinwoo
@@ObeliskKing Yeah that's the point I was making, if Dokja is soloing Jin Woo's entire army, it's just a matter of if Dokja can make it past the army and just one-shot Jin Woo, or if Jin Woo can win the war of attrition. Though Dokja with friends completely stomps Jin Woo, since they're all broken characters at their peak.
@@danialjanoowalla5337that's because those characters can't see dokja's real face. They all see a distorted/blurred face because the 4th wall doesn't allow them to see his real face. That's why they call him ugly. Remember when he became a constellation and Lee jihye called him more handsome than he used to be? That's because after becoming a constellation she was able to see his real face for a bit which is actually very good looking
Finally. This is the first post with Kim Dokja in it squeals in delight Massive spoilers ahead for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. Do not read unless you have finished the entire novel. To understand the power of KDJ one has to understand what he is and the cosmology of ORV There are infinite timeless/universes in the main dimension of ORV. The age-old question of "if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" applies to this verse. In order for these timelines to exist, there must be someone or something to "observe" or more accurately, "read" it. That is the purpose of the Oldest Dream. As it "reads" everything going on in these timelines, it constantly creates new ones according to its imagination. This is why he scales to multiversal+ EOS Dokja became the Oldest Dream. However, he fragmented his soul to be spread all across these universes in order to be the Oldest Dream. Thus, he is no longer KDJ. His reincarnations are neither aware that they were "Kim Dokja", nor are they aware of their powers. However, they still fulfill the role of the Oldest Dream by observing their respective universes. KDJ could literally be some random guy on the street. For this reason, while he can create infinite universes, he has no actual combat power. Sung Jinwoo claps.
Meh, neither can win by your logic tbh. Sung Jin Woo winning means he can't exist. But the fact is, while the random KDJ can't fight, he still holds how everything will end based on how he wills it. When they finally found out that he is the Oldest Dream, Joong Hyuk could only break his shield because KDJ thinks he is only as strong as Joong Hyuk. In the infinite universes, Jin Woo may win but KDJ can also win as much or more and that is without knowing his true power.
yk i think it goes a little deeper than that, the problem stand that the mc from the author other novel basically share that trait with dokja but he isn't a dokja actually the guy is even stronger and seemingly choose a different path, so the question is if there is something beyond the oldest dream or if just the oldest dream never existed and it is a worldbuilding manifestation of child dokja during his traumatic years. probably i am missing something but anyway both story base themselves on paradoxes
If someone is debating that sung jin who is strong ear in mind Kim Dokja is author level, he writes , he erase and ENTRIE multiverse and their cosmologies + their stories exists because he reads and dreams of them. There won’t be anyone and anything exists in those timeline he seems unfit and just simply erase them in his dream. There won’t be any stories if he won’t “WRITE” them. Sung will be deleted immediately if Kim decides he doesn’t belong there without sung knowing what even happensd
I wanna see how sung jin woo's powers are translated to fables, should probably be better than the regressor in ORV but weaker than Kim dokja's most ancient dream
beside a couple of godslayers fable what would he have? maybe his highest ranked would be successor of the brightest light or something like "he who brough everything back" still seem to lose to some used by dokja
LN Jin Woo is admittedly powerful, definitely considered the strongest in any universe without a doubt. But LN Kim Dokja is the literal creator of universes, accidentally too.
We are all manhwa lovers here especially the spicy ones, if you know what I mean 😉..so let’s not fight amongst ourselves and join hands to promote them. Except for the extra hot and spicy ones, let’s keep them and enjoy them amongst ourselves (no need for sharing)
First, you mean EOS right? (EOS: End of Story) I’m going to talk spoilers so don’t read if you don’t like it. In this fight, it’d have to be Dokja. You’re dreaming if you think Jinwoo would win this. I’ll sum this up quickly. Dokja created entire worlds by dreaming. DREAMING. Also if he stops dreaming of them their time stops (or they go bye-bye i’m not sure which). To add to this, the only things that can hurt him is what he thinks of as ‘real’. What this means is, if he sees Jinwoo as a threat, all he has to do is think ‘your not real’ and Jinwoo goes bye-bye. And if you read the novel, you’d know we’re all Kiim Dokja in some way. So, Jinwoo is just writing. Not real to him or us. Dokja solos verse.
ye they ended up with a lot of many semi myths - giant stories and much more and for kdj it somewhat got revealed at the end of scenario 6 that he's planning to become a constellation (we'll be seeing that during chapter 188-195)
for anyone wandering why kdj win, he is oldest dream, who is omniscience,omnipresent and omnipotent(in his verse) he hold infinite worlds in his dream only, if he woke up then the world will get destroyed which have multiple universes,timelines,dimensions and universe and multiverse level charactor, for example its state the ureal can destroy starts easily and uriel is like a ant in power in front of oldest dream dkj, even if sung jin woo itself is death, his existence still can be erased,
@@eeenima7831 omniscient reader's viewpoint. I recommend reading the manhwa(made by the same studio as solo leveling). The novel is btw complete. The ending is godly
@@poe457 yeah I feel like before the anime was announced everyone kinda understood that solo leveling was good because it had insane fights and really good art and the story and characters were all kinda mid in terms of strength and well character but now people are saying he no diffs everyone
@@Cykiod it's wither they are going off of the anime or they didn't read the manwha I do think Jin woo is operated in strength but he's still insanely powerful and way stronger than anyone from naruto
If you actually watch the fight, it's an asspull most of the time. All he does is brawl and no strategy other than "outspeed, outpower, endure more than the enemy". If you stop and see his Igris fight, he block an S-Rank Knight Slash with a B-Tier Gauntler that "blocks hand injury". Absolutely stupid choreography.
@@astral_trinity4580 it's for dokja and Ik but what I was saying that he still have type 3 anyway because of the oldest dreamer controlling what exists and what doesn't with a thought
All I will say is… Jin woo does have his own dimension the size of the universe that he rules over with absolute power. He is omnipotent and omnipresent there. All the same feats as KDJ but in his own dimension (similar to earth but infinite in size). And since they are that powerful in their own areas of domain, of either one were to cross over into each others area of rule, omnipotence, etc. then they would lose to each other. If KDJ were to travel to SJW universe then his power of creation and destruction of all things wouldn’t carry over (since he’s outside of his omnipotent universe). Same goes for SJW. That’s why it’s stupid to compare characters from different stories
me personally think they both are the same level like put jinwoo in orb he'd be collecting the constellations like Pokemon cards as his pets and put dokja in solo levelling he'd be manipulating reality soo they kinda give off older brother and younger brother kind of energy icl BUT LIKE IMAGINE THIS DUO IN A ROOM
As the one who reads both novels, comparing Kim Dokja with Jin woo is unfair. Hate to say but easy win for Kim Dokja. Some kids are fighting for Jin woo who only watched Solo leveling and worshipping him like a God. Who knows they might also have a underwear of Jin woo. 😂😂
The absolute being was stated to have created all of the solo leveling universes including Sung Jin woo's world of death which was stated to be infinite.Also he created concepts like space and time scaling him to hight outer. The rulers killed the absolute being.The monarchs are comparable to the rulers. Sung Jin woo is above every monarch and ruler, making him high outer. Results speak for themselves
I think is unfair you know. If you compared the most ancient dream kim dokja vs sung jinwo. Sung jinwo will absullutly win if he or dokja somehow meet and will fight. Im orv fan, and if you read orv you know that the most ancient dream is the most powerless existence in the orv universe. If you want to defence that dokja can just image sung jinwo never existance, i think it never work because dokja power is a dream and dream cannon be control it never call dream in the first place if it can be controll by kim dokja. I mean like the whole show is different Solo leveling : power fantasy korean with power system and god mc Meainwhile Orv : is more like power fantasy, drama, and tragedy. And dont forget in orv,story is the power system. In my perspektif solo leveling is book about satisfaction for the reader. Meanwhile Omniscient reader view point is the story is like read a good old fantasy book on your childhood.
I think you are forgetting that you can erase a certain part of a dream in your memory it's not like you can control a dream but a dream is a concept in your brain so? KDJ wipes
He is powerless in verse because restrictions are placed on him by the verse, if he and jinwoo fight in his verse then jinwoo will also have restrictions placed on him and if they fight outside the verse kim's restrictions will be removed.
I mean it’s kinda wrong to compare dice Kim became the maker of everything, the omnipotent whereas Jin woo is higher than a god so yeah but still me being Jin woo fan, I will say kdj is the strongest character I have seen in a manhwa and then Jin wio
@zephyr yes after i finished The God Of Highschool. Jin Mori is most defint one of the strongest character in manhwa. But Light novel Kim Dokja solos!!!
@zephyr Well *technically*... anything that's fiction means Kim Dokja wins... cus yk.. since he is the oldest dream and overlooks every story so they don't stop exsisting
@zephyr2791 after some research I got to this conclusion jin mori = Kim Dokja> jin woo > Gilgamesh > anime verse completely (Yah Goku and Saitama and anos and rimuru and all goods too) if we consider the LN version of all because , LN protagonists are completely on another level
Ok lets clear some misunderstanding First sung jin woo is not completly immortal he just doesn't age and become one in evert timeline bc of tht object i forgot name of, this type of immortality is very weak people who can erase the existence by changing reality can easiky kill him Sung jing woo is not transcdent to time he just go back to past and changed the timeline and the fact tht him intervening with time line did not create an alternate one is proof solo leveling cosmology is small and there are a lot of characters in manhwa who have regressed the one is closest to be beyond time is mc of sss suicide hunter Sung jin woo does not have hacks like reality wrapping which are key factor in gods fight menwhile kim dojka is basically a god a being comparable to author
People really underestimating Jin woo in the comments lol. He is the embodiment of death in the novel and can't be killed as said by himself because whenever he is destroyed his body returns to the eternal rest which is infinite in size and regenerate. Not to mention he can instant transmission anyone into the eternal rest where he is all powerful in. He also has also has access to the abilities of the 10 millions monsters he killed. In the novel his existence alone is so powerful that the excess mana radiating off of him is a danger to the universe and transcends dimensions which is how the titans could sense him from an entire different universe and attacked him. He also tanked the breath of destruction which was stated in being capable of erasing concepts and all it did to sung was leave a burn on his hand. That shit literally erases concepts. The only thing dokja really has over Jin woo is creation and probably speed. In terms of durability etc Jin woo takes it.
Then you are underestimating KDJ.. Jin woo becomes death himself but KDJ literally become a creation. He can make solo leveling like a child story if he want to
Dude... Are you dumb? He said LN not Manhwa. Let's take a moment to REALIZE we are take about the Most Ancient Dream. Do you even understand the capabilities of the human mind? No, no you don't. If Jinwoo is infinite, then Dokja LN is immeasurable. If you're not an idiot at English, you would understand that It was unfair since the start. Dokja has the power of "Imagination" and lol what? Death? Give me a break, time and truth are one of the tons of concepts that are comprehended by the human mind. You get it? Dokja has the literal power of "Every possible thing a Human can imagine". Death is a mere time-dependent effect..
Overkill!! Kim Dokja should fight characters like Cain (Cha Yeon Yoo), Nie Li, Luo Zheng, Featherine or any other Outerversal or High Outerversal characters.
Can kim dokja even be measured i mean near the end of the novel after he becomes ancient dream there’s a a small passage that basically says his stats if they were able to be seen now just read as ?????? Along with his name and stuff so he’s beyond god level he’s more like a mulitversal god at that point like in marvel
Basicamente si :) pero dividio cuerpo con 49 % pero igual el sueño mas antiguo esta en su maximo apogeo ademas de que Si Jiwoon si quiera piense en ir encontra del sueñ mas antiguo literal el rey dokkabie o los dioses exterios se papearian a jiwoon ademas de que al entrar a y jiwoon pagaria el castigo con la ley de la verosimilitud
The problem is that most likely it would be a draw since due to the star stream Dokja is unable to purposefully interfere, say if it was the old “Oldest Dream” then Sung Woo dies immediately since, that Oldest Dream created the verse unintentionally and anything that would interfere with his dream probably was erased. When I say can’t purposefully interfere I mean that he can’t interfere with the purpose to interfere without consequence
Jinwoo : I am the death God, With Infinite Growth, Army of undead soldiers, and True God Dokja : Meh.. In my dreams you are still the weakest hunter “Edits Jinwoo plot to being banggang by his soldier”
Comparing Sung Jin-Woo from "Solo Leveling" to Kim Dokja from "Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint" in terms of their respective light novels (LN) is fascinating. Both characters undergo significant growth throughout their stories, facing numerous challenges and adversaries. Sung Jin-Woo's journey revolves around his transformation from an E-rank hunter to the powerful Shadow Monarch, demonstrating remarkable determination, strength, and strategic thinking along the way. His ability to level up and control shadows makes him a formidable force in combat. On the other hand, Kim Dokja possesses the unique ability to perceive and interact with the narrative of "Ways of Survival," allowing him to predict and adapt to various storylines and scenarios. His knowledge of the novel's plot and characters grants him a distinct advantage in navigating dangerous situations. In a hypothetical showdown between the two protagonists within their respective light novels, the outcome would depend on several factors, including their abilities, preparation, and the narrative context. Both Sung Jin-Woo and Kim Dokja are incredibly resourceful and capable individuals, capable of overcoming formidable challenges in their respective universes.
Novellerini okumayanlar için söylüyorum;sung jin woo nun weebtoon a göre novelde daha güçlü olduğu doğru ancak kim dokja novelde bu tanrı olarak gördüğümüz kişilerinde üzerinde bir yer elde ediyor,hatta bu tanrılardan biri oluyor ancak bunu yaparken bütün tanrılar yok oluyor,şuan kim dokja yıkılışın tanrısı gibi bir şey olarak noveli bitirdi(lakap yanlış olabilir).Zekası yüksek ihtimalle tüm herkesi tekler ve şuandan sonrası spoiler;kim dokja hikayenin sonunda diğerleriyle beraber olabildi ancak bizim mangada konuştuğunu gördüğümüz kim dokja hâla tanrıların somut olduğu boyutta kaldı.Yani novel bitti ve bizim bildiğimiz kim dokja şuan kendi başına bir karanlıkta yaşıyor veya bir seyler ile ugraşıyor
Dostum dediğin doğru ama Jin woo nun gücünün %100 hiç bir zaman ne Novelde ne de webtoon da görebildik Tanrı olduktan sonra gücünü görmedik o yüzden çokta birbirlerini kapıştırmamak Lazım ikiside farklı evrenler kendi evrenlerinde onları kimse yenemez ne dokja, jinwoo yu ne de jinwoo, dokja yı yenemez he ikiside farklı bir evrende kapışsa jinwoo yener %100 Gölge lordu olur ve milyonlarca askerini ortaya çıkar tek atar mı dersek orasını bilemem ama yenemez jinwoo yu kimse ne yapacağını okuyamaz bilemez dokjayıda aynı şekilde jinwoo hayranı değilim bütün webtoonları seviyorum bunu şu gibi düşün saitama > goku diyen çocuklar gibi aslında tam tersi goku > saitama (saitamanın sınırı olmasa bile garou la savaştıktan sonra ne kadar güçlü olduğunu gördük, gokunun Novel + mangasında saitama tüm gücünü kullansa bile yenemez (he animede belki kapışır ama dediğim gibi öyle) o yüzden çokta uzatmak istemiyorum okumazsın belki jinwoo her türlü yener kim dokja ne kadar güçsüz olduğunu webtoon da gördüm işter novelde tanrı katili olsun çoğu şey olmuyo novelde novel alternatif bir son
@@QuatronTR knk hepsini okudum ve bende bu iki karakterin fanı değilim,ayrıca dediğin doğru zaten goku 1a iken saitama daha 4 b tier seviyesinde biri yani kapışamazlar bile.Fakat benim burda anlatmaya çalıştığım şey normal değil yani sana şöyle anlatayım;sung jinn woo tanrı deniliyor ancak tek bir tanrı değil ve bu tanrı gücüde sadece dünyayı korumaya yetiyor.Ashborn un bile gücünü aldıktan sonra son egemeni zor yenmişti.Buna belki gücünün hepsini almadı diyebilirsin ancak şöyle bir şey var oda sung un 2. Reenkarnede yaptığı savaştada elinden büyük bir yara alması ve çoğu askerinin ölmesiydi.Bunların ikisinin farkını sana şöyle anlatayım;novelin sonlarına doğru dokja artık yenilemez birisi oluyor ve tek tanrı olarak kalıyor.Bundan sonrada dünyadaki tüm bozuklukları düzeltip herkesi tekrar yaratıyor ve dünyayı hiç birşey yaşanmamış zamanına döndürüyor.Sana tam olarak açıklayamam ancak bunların ikisinin arasındaki farkı anos ile rimuru gibi düşün fakat artık ikisininde noveli bittiği için gelişme imkanlarıda yok.Bildiğin gibi Anos gerek herşeyiyle rimuru dan daha güclü ve rimuru daha veldnava ile bile karşılaşmadı ki veldnava da max 2a gücümde birisi olucak yani her türlü Anos daha güclü ve Anos tan kastığım kişide dokja oluyor
Guys, if you’re looking for something good to read, I recommend 'Athena's General Reincarnated in Another World.' It tells the story of a General who became a God after defeating the entire Greek Olympus by eliminating his arch-nemesis, the goddess Athena. After becoming the Sovereign God, he decides to die as a human. Upon his death, the entity Charon sends him to another world filled with magic. In this world, he has everything he always wanted (family and friends). However, this world is at war, and his people are threatened. Now he must use his skills from the other world and the magic of this one. What’s cool about this story is that it features magical creatures, relics, ocular powers, and the interesting twist is that the Goddess Athena (his arch-nemesis) haunts him as a ghost.
Finally. This is the first post with Kim Dokja in it squeals in delight Massive spoilers ahead for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. Do not read unless you have finished the entire novel. To understand the power of KDJ one has to understand what he is and the cosmology of ORV There are infinite timeless/universes in the main dimension of ORV. The age-old question of "if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" applies to this verse. In order for these timelines to exist, there must be someone or something to "observe" or more accurately, "read" it. That is the purpose of the Oldest Dream. As it "reads" everything going on in these timelines, it constantly creates new ones according to its imagination. This is why he scales to multiversal+ EOS Dokja became the Oldest Dream. However, he fragmented his soul to be spread all across these universes in order to be the Oldest Dream. Thus, he is no longer KDJ. His reincarnations are neither aware that they were "Kim Dokja", nor are they aware of their powers. However, they still fulfill the role of the Oldest Dream by observing their respective universes. KDJ could literally be some random guy on the street. For this reason, while he can create infinite universes, he has no actual combat power. Sung Jinwoo claps.
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Can u do yoo joonghyuk vs sung jinwoo?
Sure i don’t mind doing that let me finish up the next couple of vids.
W recommendation
@AraAraChan no debate bro
무조건 성진우지
@@Shiny_Crown Jin Mori VS Kim dokja?
Just give Kim Dokja the solo leveling manhwa before he enters the world of solo leveling. Damn the way this man exploits his knowledge just shows his critical thinking and creativity is just that good.
Sung jinwoo will be the main character for the name only😂😂. Damn it gives me goosebumps to just think about what he will plan to do😂😂😂😂
He only has a chance if he gets the system before jinwoo, otherwise he might just live as a normal human or a regular hunter.
@@TranscendentOxide He will still know exactly what to do to survive and even manipulate Sung Jinwoo like how he manipulated Yoo Joonghyuk of the 1863rd turn
@@TranscendentOxide He will have his ability "Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint", so as long as he understands the characters he can do exactly what they do as well as them
Orv is far better than solo leveling I satisfied with orv more than solo leveling I got story plot side characters ❤❤
I'm a fan of both but I agree. I mean, (Spoiler) the moment Kim Dokja stops "dreaming" not just the world but all of the other world lines would stop immediately from functioning since he created everything. That guy defeated Greek Gods, Norse Gods, Egyptian Gods, The Angels, Demons and a lot more. Also, he cannot be killed. He's a demon king but have the blessing of the angels of eden, his adoptive parents are Persephone and Hades (He's the heir of the Underworld.) AND He's an Ancient God The Oldest Dream, and Omniscient at the same time.
Wow. I love him but I just realised how powerful this btch is BUT I JUST HATE THE FACT THAT HE KEEP ON SACRIFICING HIMSELF!?
we die like kdj
Bro. I only watch manga. Where can I read more ??
cap not from same god damn book bro Dokja has no power that would work on him sung jinwoo is death powers work anywhere he goes and you can see it for your self he goes to a different dimension powers still work powers that only work in your book don't do anything out side
@@Igris498bro i told you the powers canonically work in all worlds and dimensions
@@Igris498 fucking learn how to speak english first, please
Kim Dokja is basically author level.
@OBAEdits Omniscient Reader’s Viewpoint
@@Savitar_G.O.S and Sun-Jun-Woo is stronger than his Author
@@BeyoundFateless LN Kim dokja made cosmology , he scales much higher than sun Jin woo
@@Pozinn7890 kid sun Jin woo seal his power in other dimension that his verse not gets destroyed
1.
True Omnipotence - Dimensional Manipulation
sung jin woo covered in shadows
At the end of Solo Leveling, Sung Jin-Woo gained total control over an infinite-sized world called the “Territory of Eternal Rest.” In other words, he is the ruler of that world - he determines everything that happens in the boundless world. The concept of omnipotence in fiction is quite complex. The usual classification includes Meta Omnipotence, Absolute Omnipotence, True Omnipotence, Practical Omnipotence, Questionable Omnipotence Almightiness, Nigh Omnipotence & Specialized Omnipotence.
These Omnipotence types vary significantly; however, Sung Jin-Woo's power over the Territory of Eternal Rest makes him a True Omnipotent being in that world. it shows how powerful he is in the Solo Leveling world.
2.
Acausality - A Being That Transcends Time
sung jin woo solo leveling manhwa shadow smoke walking
Even in the fictional world, the concept of time is an intangible entity that most characters are subject to. Time always catches up to everyone, even some "immortals." However, the rule doesn't apply to Sung Jin-Woo. At the end of Solo Leveling, he achieved "Acausality," an ability that grants him immunity from the concept of time in any and every way. In other words, Sung Jin-Woo transcends time as the entity doesn't affect him.
This makes him un-killable since most characters that achieve Acausality can't be killed easily. Even though one version of them is killed, they still exist on another timeline. Simply put, the concept of the past, present, and future is inapplicable to acausal characters because even if they are killed in the present, they still exist in the future. They tweak the very fabric of time, making their existence complex and difficult to fathom.
3.
Existential Erasure
sung jin woo holding a dagger and staring fiercely
Generally, the Monarchs in Solo Leveling possess profound powers and abilities. One such ability is the capacity to erase one's presence from the very fabric of existence. This means that no parts of the person exist even at the sub-atomic level. Usually, when people die, their remains serve as nutrients in the Earth & atmosphere. So, some parts remain after death.
However, the dreadful ability, existential erasure, erases a person totally without any traces left. Sung Jin-Woo possesses this ability and is immune to it. Consequently, other people with the ability can’t use it on him.
4.
Sung Jin-Woo's strength, despite being a necromancer, is impressive. The first proof of his physical strength was his ability to defeat Thomas Andre, revered as the "World's Strongest Hunter,” using nothing but his fists. Even after Thomas used Spiritual Body Manifestation - his apex power, he was still beaten by Sung Jin-Woo to the point that he fainted.
Sung Jin-Woo also defeated the Beast Monarch, who had strength as his forte among his prime abilities. At the end of Solo Leveling, Sung Jin-Woo was strong enough to destroy the glaxies with just his presence, proving that his strength wasn't to be trifled with.
Existence Erasure,
Absolute Erasure,
Durability Negation,
Higher-Dimensional Manipulation,
Power Modification,
Power Nullification,
Chaos Manipulation,
Power Negation,
Resistance Negation,
Resistance,
Void Manipulation,
Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1,2,& Type 3),
Life Manipulation,
Outer God's manipulation,
Nothingness Nagation,
All Heavenly Realm manipulation,
All Dark Realm manipulation,
Fate Nagation,
Death Manipulation,
Death Nagation,
Life creation,
Victory manipulation,
Fate Manipulation,
Law Manipulation(Can manipulate the laws of heaven and earth ),
Logic Manipulation,
Fate Manipulation,
Erased Manipulation,
Outer verse Manipulation,
Life and death Manipulation:(All Types),
Eternal Manipulation,
Devine Manipulation,
Elements Manipulation,
Ceal Manipulation,
Null Manipulation,
Creations Manipulation,
Reality Manipulation,
Infinity Manipulation,
Eternity Manipulation,
All Heaven's and Hell Manipulation,
Qi Manipulation(All Types),
Conceptual Manipulation (All 1,2,3),
Explosion Manipulation,
Sleep Manipulation ,
Mind Manipulation (Can read the mind via Mind-Reading Ability; Can extract memories and manipulate them - replace, remove, erase, even sending them to other characters),
Memory Manipulation ,
Biological Manipulation (Can eliminate cancer cells within one body; ),
Gravity Manipulation (His aura if not pulled back will create an intense magnetic energy field that would interfere even with the virtual data/information making them crash),
Illusion Creation (Illusion),
Matter Manipulation (Can reduce others to elemental particles in the blink of an eye and manipulate their state of being by turning it into energy),
Soul Manipulation,
Transmutation (can change someone's appearance),
Power Absorption,
Telepathy and Telekinesis (Can talk using just the mind and control things using it),
Body Puppetry ,
Time Manipulation,
Body Control (Can manipulate his body to get ride of fat or manipulate his hair),
Avatar Creation (Via Great Separation Spell),
Space-Time Manipulation,
Outer-Dimensional Travel (Can travel through Outer-dimensions),
Invisibility ,
Purification,
Heal (Can heal and cure any physical problem or even mental diseases),
Sealing (Via Great Evil Containment Wave),
Summoning (Can summon Shadows/Rulers),
Portal Creation (Can open tunnels that lead into the boundless vastness of the outer-verse),
Dimensional Storage,
Shapeshifting (Via Great Transfiguration Spell),
Spiritual Pressure (His spiritual pressure is so immense that it would immobilize others, making them completely unable to move) infinite,
Dimensional Attack(His attacks can bypass the dimensional wall),
Superhuman Physical Characteristics,
Memory Manipulation ( With Amnesia Punch can make one forget even his own mother)
Omniversal Manipulation (Capable to create and manipulate everything in the entire Omniverse just by his thoughts will),
Nothingness Manipulation (LN Sun-jin-woo passed the third of the mirror of nothingness. A prompt appeared in the void, that at least 8 +∞ are required to pass),
Transcendent Attacks,
Restoration,
Cosmic Manipulation,
Chaos Manipulation,
Creation,
Spoilers:
Dokja became the Most Ancient Dream who dreamed/created the entire cosmology
Holy damn! I'm on the heart of steel chapter atm but close to the end
Spoilers: Jin woo becomes death itself.
@@KamiSamaisPissed 😂😂
Yeah but he is also heavily restricted, cant even control his world refer to 0th round. He is nerfed just accept it.
Don't spoil bro
I'm biggest fan of of solo leveling but may be it's true but light novel dokja i wanted to know about his scaling
and? even jin woo is omnipotent lmao
To answer your question not many
you mean above constallation/ gods but idk about the outer god
But all omnipotent people are equal.
It depends on the cosmology of the verse for example omnipotence irl would only be the strongest you can possibly be in the universe so take tensura for example with a high cosmology of 1A against DBZ cosmology of 4A if an omnipotent being from each fought each other tensura omnipotent being would win purely due to the fact that their verse allows for them to get stronger than a lower cosmology verse that can only get to the strongest of their lower cosmology verse
The oldest dream awakens from his slumber and everything ends.
so dokja is human version of azatoth
@@christiansamonte7331 yes and no
Guys, if you’re looking for something good to read, I recommend 'Athena's General Reincarnated in Another World.' It tells the story of a General who became a God after defeating the entire Greek Olympus by eliminating his arch-nemesis, the goddess Athena. After becoming the Sovereign God, he decides to die as a human. Upon his death, the entity Charon sends him to another world filled with magic. In this world, he has everything he always wanted (family and friends). However, this world is at war, and his people are threatened. Now he must use his skills from the other world and the magic of this one. What’s cool about this story is that it features magical creatures, relics, ocular powers, and the interesting twist is that the Goddess Athena (his arch-nemesis) haunts him as a ghost.
Basically kratos
@@christiansamonte7331but kim dokja is not idiot.
i recommend everyone to read ORV WN
its hella op
Iam chap 110 from the manhwa of orv where is that in LN?
@@youszz6606 is not much atleast i can say that as manga reader as well
@@youszz6606 I’m pretty sure that chaps match up to the novel (WEBTOON 110 is novel 110)
I searched up orv and nothing pop out can you give me full name
I’ve read it and dropped it at ch 50 the whole ppl watching you is a bit boring
Bruh dokja is whole another level he can even delete sung jinwoo in existence without sweat
Jinwoo can’t be erased from existence and jinwoo is stronger than absolute being who created everything in existence except for light and darkness which is what jinwoo is
Who is Dokja?
@@silentbandito7856 XD ???????? w h o SAY THAT, cuz in ALL the after story he still a Mortal realm existence with godly powers, not a divine existence who cant die of old, all the absolute rulers can still make a 3-4 vs 1 and still win
@@ujjw4l07 the author of his story
@@silentbandito7856 of course, jinwoo can be erased from existence, he is not NOTHING stronger that the absolute being that created his universe, he is in the peal lvl but not THAT stronger, rulers still in the same lvl that him, and can still bang him in a 3vs1
If you talking about KDJ Demon King salvation then it's wrong. But if you talking about KDJ Most Ancient Dream, it is true.
well the novels are both comPlete and ofc it's gonna be OD
Since its LN, its definitely Most Ancient Dream.
THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON BRUHH but OD is stronger but still same person
@@grmp1e Despite KDJ having the same constellation name even at the ending, they’re using the other titles to refer to what form is being used i.e. Demon King of Salvation = the time KDJ was a constellation, Most Ancient Dream = the time KDJ stayed behind and was at the 0th regression, and Final Wall Dokja = him at the true ending.
Might as well just say, "if you're talking about KDJ as a new born child then no, but if you talking when he becomes the literal creator of the universe, it is true"
He outed thor , posiden and zeus as well as his father aka hades , so yes it's an easy win . It'll be hard to even stand half his status as OD
wait his father's hades?
@@reyaansheikh9197 yeah , Hades adopted him 🤣
@@oldestdream4374 lmao
Wait a min
Is that the guy who fighted the wireless obsessed guy?
@@oldestdream4374wait hades wife is kim dokja mother who tease him by transforming in sexy body of his friend what
"Reality can be whatever I want"
Kim Dokja is just on a whole different level. Comparing him with Sung Jinwoo is a complete insult to him.
100% cap not from same god damn book bro Dokja has no power that would work on him sung jinwoo is death powers work anywhere he goes and you can see it for your self he goes to a different dimension powers still work powers that only work in your book don't do anything out side
@@Igris498in the end of novel his basically holding multiple multi verses which is unique to there own stories
@@Igris498I'm guessing you're dumbass brain didn't read omniscient reader?
At the end of novel he becomes
the author himself@@Igris498
@@Igris498fucker is saying that the one who is himself a constellation is powerless without dream😂😂
yeah solo leveling's rly good but it isnt even a fair to compare sung jinwoo and kim dokja. I mean, as the oldest dream he essentialy was so omnipotent that he created omnipotent beings and gave someone else the power to bypass his omnipotence.
Okay so I'm gonna count how many times I am gonna watch this video . I'm obsessed with it .
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@@Shiny_Crown 😅
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Bruh kim dokja the embodiment of "reality can be whatever i want" and ppl still think sung jin woo win,smh¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Finally. This is the first post with Kim Dokja in it squeals in delight
Massive spoilers ahead for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. Do not read unless you have finished the entire novel.
To understand the power of KDJ one has to understand what he is and the cosmology of ORV
There are infinite timeless/universes in the main dimension of ORV. The age-old question of "if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" applies to this verse. In order for these timelines to exist, there must be someone or something to "observe" or more accurately, "read" it. That is the purpose of the Oldest Dream. As it "reads" everything going on in these timelines, it constantly creates new ones according to its imagination. This is why he scales to multiversal+
EOS Dokja became the Oldest Dream. However, he fragmented his soul to be spread all across these universes in order to be the Oldest Dream. Thus, he is no longer KDJ. His reincarnations are neither aware that they were "Kim Dokja", nor are they aware of their powers. However, they still fulfill the role of the Oldest Dream by observing their respective universes.
KDJ could literally be some random guy on the street.
For this reason, while he can create infinite universes, he has no actual combat power. Sung Jinwoo claps.
uh you do know that he was a mythic rated constellation before he became OD... and he have the 거대 설화 that is capable of defending him with the story and 무대화 and only way to counter is to respond with the same " story " and this was proven when he met the strongest character of another book, that trained billions of years, becoming the ultimate being. and When he fought Kim dok ja, even though he was physically beyond dokja, he was never able to get close to him due to one of OD's authorities ( that one of the authorities, think it like Gojo's infinity but without any weakness )@@carlososler7024
Kim dokja tier is 9-B | 8-A, higher with The Immortal King | 5-B, High 4-C with Watcher of Light and Darkness, 4-B with Prisoner of the Constrictive Headband | At least 2-A with the oldest dream | At least 2-A with the oldest dream, Possibly Low 1-C (low complex multiverse) with final wall. while sung jin woo at least tier 5B (Characters or objects that can create/destroy a planet.) Likely far more higher. So the winner Kim dokja
using wiki isn't a good way to scale but eh ig
@@Downbad_gil Even though I used the info from the wiki, it was still Kim dokja who won, and the wiki also took Kim dokja's power scale from the novel.
@@Lazy681 ln sung jin woo is 2b-2c not 5B
@@noobus7251 where is the info you got?
@@Lazy681 light novel feats talking about how sung jin woo reforms the universe or someshit
As someone fan of both series, i would say Jinwoo could topped constellation, sure. But i like the image that Dokja and Jinwoo just chill, both as strongest character in their own series, having a conversation or something. Dokja loves to read, im pretty sure he would love to listen Jinwoo stories as well. Both having tragic background, these two would definitely be friends:'D
OMNISCIENTE READER IS GETTING HIS ANIME VERSION! ‘Secretive ploter smiles at this information’
I never knew they had LN for both solo leveling and omniscient reader, I only know that about the Manga and love both
Watch out for the orv novel... Its great but, yeah- you'll know once you read it🖐️
Depresso espresso
@@lovelyyela550 where should I start reading I have reach the manhwa arc where thay enter a small world place😐
@@zenamv2491 ah, I havent read it in so long that I forgot the chapters ;_; sorryy huhu. I tend to forget a lot
@@zenamv2491 The most recent manhwa chapter 137 is chapter 128 of the web novel
Kim Dokja is over kill, let Jin Woo get past the outer gods first😂😂😂-
Fr , he ain't even getting there before rhe nameless ones eat him up
Very funny 😂😂😂
He scales multi+
Novel kim dokja:🤦♀️ ☠💀🔪🤡
Jin woo destroy dojka
it's all fun in games until the reader became the writer.
Sorry for the SL fanboys trying to say that Sung Jinwoo wins, but you do realize that killing KDJ would mean he would stop dreaming cuz death is sort of like an eternal, *dreamless* slumber, which also means every single existence would cease to exist as a result, so there’s no way ur OP edgy MC can win without dying as well
Solo leavling cosmology bruh even a single universe in Sol contains at least over 20 mathematical dimensions and Jungian architypes which alone makes it's baseline Outerversal while As explained in Ragnarok Outer God's creates infinite universe's with each universe being a metaverse and containing over 20 mathematical dimensions and Jungian architypes which alone scale Outer God's to Outer to layers in Outerversal and Jin woo in Ragnarok One shot these Outer God's. Not to mention that dojka (/Ln/Wn) doesn't even make it to Outerversal..
@@YoWaiMo-999 uhm did you even read the ending of the LN? it states that right after HSY opens the door, there are 2 options. Option 1 says, if kim dokja wakes up then everything will stop and he will be incomplete. options 2 says that, he will stay asleep but, his soul will be scattered around all universes and he will continue to read different stories for those universes to exsist. Unless if you didn't read the end properly or you skipped something then of course you won't know about this.
@@x_sph "do you even" yes I did.
Even If it's infinite set of universes with each set containing infinite more universes and dojka one shot all those just by thinking which is orv cosmology>>> it still don't make dojka strong enough to even come close to low-outerversal tier let alone outerversal...
And each Monarch's embodied different types of platonic Concepts. And platonic concepts are outerversal by their nature making Monarch's outerversal too. and Jin Woo later on become strong enough to one tap them.
And the sole reason that dojka force to choose option is just itself a prove that he isn't Omnipotent while Jin Woo even became Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient in his domain.
@@YoWaiMo-999 since when was he forced to choose
I didn't even say that it was Dokja that had to choose, It was HSY short for Han Sooyoung. Never said it was Dokja who had to choose.
@@x_sph you know omnipotent beings don't need an option to chose😑 also if that's not the case then why even he go sleep .
You're now making excuses at this point based on your assumption.
So for anyone, and I'm stating ANYONE, who thinks that Sung Jinwoo is stronger than Kim Doka, then you're wrong. Kim Dokja is way too OP, nothing can beat him. If he wakes up from his slumber, everything is gone, that also includes other universes like SL. But if he stays asleep in his slumber, nothing will be destroyed. He also basically wrote his own story. At the end of the LN of ORV, it shows that when one of companions opened the door, it gave her 2 options. 1 is that Kim Dokja will wake up, and everything will be destroyed, but his soul and body will be incomplete. 2 is that he will continue to sleep in his slumber, but his soul will be scatter around every universe, and he will continue to read. That's why most people in the comments are saying on how Kim Dokja LN can solo anyone just by waking up.
Sung jin woo is indeed Drip God
thought this was mad cap until i read the comments 😂
Right haha
it is cap
@@leroycoalton no.
@@leroycoaltonthe fight between the 2 wouldnt be close at all lmao dokja clears
im late but the power scaling in orv is on a different level. kdj would mop the floor with jinwoo
drip is NOT equal. kdj's white coat is iconic
No
Edgy emo kid with mid story vs actual well written over powered charcter jin woo simps be yapping at this point 🤧
Go read the Novel or the manga its actually good, ORV is it's name(Omniscient reader's viewpoint)
No he is not emo he is mostly average f-cking guy
@@Dysphoria_Lover i was saying that to jin woo and mate i already had read orv novel kim dokja is 🐐
@@Hyper_101 What so you can talk to Jin woo?💀
@@Dysphoria_Lover grammatical error 💀
@@Hyper_101 I was about to throw hands💀
If we're ignoring the Most Ancient Dream, and both are at their prime
And if we're considering that Dokja is fighting solo without his gang, while Jinwoo has his shadow army
Dokja beats Jinwoo, if not completely blitzes him in a 1v1 fight with Way of the Wind and Lightning Transformation combined
If we're counting Son Wukong Dokja, he wipes the floor with Jinwoo even with his army
But Dokja vs Jinwoo in an army fight, final arc, no coins, just his Fables, I'd say Dokja is in favor because of his scaling at the end of the series, but it isn't a sweep. Maybe a 6:4 in Dokja's favor. If we include
Dokja doesn't lack the aoe because opening his 'status' could probably clear them all- if not- atleast immobilize them
@@cowplusdog5655 That could be debatable if Jinwoo's Shadow Sovereign abilities could protect them from the status immobilization, if we consider Jinwoo's status high enough to resist a Myth grade constellation. If Dokja can freeze the army with just unleashing his status, then Dokja wins 9:1. I'm giving a little leeway to Jinwoo since Shadow Sovereign peak Jinwoo's feats aren't well covered. We know he wiped out all the enemies after returning in time, so he can probably damage Dokja.
@@tyrantworks9604 If we're gonna rank Jinwoo in orv world. He's atleast a myth grade. However, Dokja becomes something way above that. The most powerful outergod. Although he can't interfere with scenerious without punishment, he can just sacrifice a pinkie to kill jinwoo
Do note Jin woo can bootleg titan shift, and I don't think his army would let any guy just attack him.
@@ObeliskKing Yeah that's the point I was making, if Dokja is soloing Jin Woo's entire army, it's just a matter of if Dokja can make it past the army and just one-shot Jin Woo, or if Jin Woo can win the war of attrition.
Though Dokja with friends completely stomps Jin Woo, since they're all broken characters at their peak.
I dont understand how the characters in the manhwa think dokja is ugly. Bro looks majestic
Because what they see is a blurred face of him because of the skill 4th wall
@Stardust62o12 No, i mean the characters from the scenario's calling dokja "ugly king" or something
@@danialjanoowalla5337that's because those characters can't see dokja's real face. They all see a distorted/blurred face because the 4th wall doesn't allow them to see his real face. That's why they call him ugly. Remember when he became a constellation and Lee jihye called him more handsome than he used to be? That's because after becoming a constellation she was able to see his real face for a bit which is actually very good looking
I like how while you were showing that kdj wins in most places, you were also showing him getting stabbed by yjh
Finally. This is the first post with Kim Dokja in it squeals in delight
Massive spoilers ahead for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. Do not read unless you have finished the entire novel.
To understand the power of KDJ one has to understand what he is and the cosmology of ORV
There are infinite timeless/universes in the main dimension of ORV. The age-old question of "if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" applies to this verse. In order for these timelines to exist, there must be someone or something to "observe" or more accurately, "read" it. That is the purpose of the Oldest Dream. As it "reads" everything going on in these timelines, it constantly creates new ones according to its imagination. This is why he scales to multiversal+
EOS Dokja became the Oldest Dream. However, he fragmented his soul to be spread all across these universes in order to be the Oldest Dream. Thus, he is no longer KDJ. His reincarnations are neither aware that they were "Kim Dokja", nor are they aware of their powers. However, they still fulfill the role of the Oldest Dream by observing their respective universes.
KDJ could literally be some random guy on the street.
For this reason, while he can create infinite universes, he has no actual combat power. Sung Jinwoo claps.
this is true... but we're talking about oldest dream dokja not a random dokja...
Meh, neither can win by your logic tbh. Sung Jin Woo winning means he can't exist. But the fact is, while the random KDJ can't fight, he still holds how everything will end based on how he wills it.
When they finally found out that he is the Oldest Dream, Joong Hyuk could only break his shield because KDJ thinks he is only as strong as Joong Hyuk.
In the infinite universes, Jin Woo may win but KDJ can also win as much or more and that is without knowing his true power.
@@John-to6sl sorry i thought you were replying to me. i was so confused. sorry..
yk i think it goes a little deeper than that, the problem stand that the mc from the author other novel basically share that trait with dokja but he isn't a dokja actually the guy is even stronger and seemingly choose a different path, so the question is if there is something beyond the oldest dream or if just the oldest dream never existed and it is a worldbuilding manifestation of child dokja during his traumatic years.
probably i am missing something but anyway both story base themselves on paradoxes
If someone is debating that sung jin who is strong ear in mind Kim Dokja is author level, he writes , he erase and ENTRIE multiverse and their cosmologies + their stories exists because he reads and dreams of them. There won’t be anyone and anything exists in those timeline he seems unfit and just simply erase them in his dream. There won’t be any stories if he won’t “WRITE” them. Sung will be deleted immediately if Kim decides he doesn’t belong there without sung knowing what even happensd
"The oldest dream"
Real ones know
I just started reading omniscient reader so far so amazing
update reviw? : 0
Did you cry while reading?
Or were you 51% enjoying, 49% sobbing/dead inside?
@@Ai_Quoc_VN84 Bro, don't go hard on new reader. They might got traumatized before reaching the ULTIMATE ANGST part of ORV (and that's not good-)
@@KurageKinnie :))))
I wanna see how sung jin woo's powers are translated to fables, should probably be better than the regressor in ORV but weaker than Kim dokja's most ancient dream
beside a couple of godslayers fable what would he have? maybe his highest ranked would be successor of the brightest light or something like "he who brough everything back" still seem to lose to some used by dokja
omg how the hell is is your edit so lit🔥🔥
also the shakes and song were in sync 🥴
LN Jin Woo is admittedly powerful, definitely considered the strongest in any universe without a doubt.
But LN Kim Dokja is the literal creator of universes, accidentally too.
Where do you get the clips for kim dokja? Btw clean edit
Fax+🔥 edit
We are all manhwa lovers here especially the spicy ones, if you know what I mean 😉..so let’s not fight amongst ourselves and join hands to promote them. Except for the extra hot and spicy ones, let’s keep them and enjoy them amongst ourselves (no need for sharing)
Man is stopping wars. Praise him
@@Shiny_Crown you're the one who started this madsh1t
LoL true very true
Alabado seas 🎉
First, you mean EOS right? (EOS: End of Story)
I’m going to talk spoilers so don’t read if you don’t like it.
In this fight, it’d have to be Dokja. You’re dreaming if you think Jinwoo would win this.
I’ll sum this up quickly.
Dokja created entire worlds by dreaming. DREAMING. Also if he stops dreaming of them their time stops (or they go bye-bye i’m not sure which).
To add to this, the only things that can hurt him is what he thinks of as ‘real’. What this means is, if he sees Jinwoo as a threat, all he has to do is think ‘your not real’ and Jinwoo goes bye-bye.
And if you read the novel, you’d know we’re all Kiim Dokja in some way. So, Jinwoo is just writing. Not real to him or us.
Dokja solos verse.
Dang I just read the latest chapter of ORV does really become this powerful at the end holy cow I can't wait to see how.
ye they ended up with a lot of many semi myths - giant stories and much more
and for kdj it somewhat got revealed at the end of scenario 6 that he's planning to become a constellation (we'll be seeing that during chapter 188-195)
for anyone wandering why kdj win, he is oldest dream, who is omniscience,omnipresent and omnipotent(in his verse) he hold infinite worlds in his dream only, if he woke up then the world will get destroyed which have multiple universes,timelines,dimensions and universe and multiverse level charactor, for example its state the ureal can destroy starts easily and uriel is like a ant in power in front of oldest dream dkj, even if sung jin woo itself is death, his existence still can be erased,
A person blessed by gods vs a person loved by gods
Agreed btw Woow the animation😮😮 where
Cool edit btw where did u find dokjas animation 😅
Tik tok I can send you some if you add my discord Crown?#0001
@@Shiny_Crown ohk but i suck on discords😭🦍
@@Shiny_Crown accept frnd request 🦍😭
@@_Gradually Crown?#0001you added that
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Kim Dokja (LN) one hits Sung Jinwoo😂😂😂
What Manhwa or manga is dojkafrom
@@eeenima7831 omniscient reader's viewpoint. I recommend reading the manhwa(made by the same studio as solo leveling). The novel is btw complete. The ending is godly
@@kushalsinha6917 where can i find the novel ?
@@night.panther4870 drive.google.com/file/d/12lGIe1DJEe8QaAIGqT1x29lf3sI_JdqP/view
up*
The death itself vs the creator of the death
Dokja smash
love the edit
Appreciate it man
I really like this kind of edit i fell in love plz do makes these kind of vids edit u earn one subscriber ❤️
Gotcha
@@Shiny_Crown Name of the song?
Kim Dokja es la representacion de la frase: "El conocimiento es poder"
Sung jin woo is one of the most overated protagonists out there
Because of the anime, he wasnt that glazed since the anime dropped
@@poe457 yeah I feel like before the anime was announced everyone kinda understood that solo leveling was good because it had insane fights and really good art and the story and characters were all kinda mid in terms of strength and well character but now people are saying he no diffs everyone
@@RompstirdgNope jinwoo is being downplay
I saw some mfs saying
Naruto beat sung jin woo
@@Cykiod it's wither they are going off of the anime or they didn't read the manwha I do think Jin woo is operated in strength but he's still insanely powerful and way stronger than anyone from naruto
If you actually watch the fight, it's an asspull most of the time. All he does is brawl and no strategy other than "outspeed, outpower, endure more than the enemy". If you stop and see his Igris fight, he block an S-Rank Knight Slash with a B-Tier Gauntler that "blocks hand injury". Absolutely stupid choreography.
49% nice 51% facts
One tail slash from the dragon of 99th scenario and Jin woo along with his verse gets destroyed
you mean that apocalypse dragon? yeah man
@@redrose3576 Yeah
Kim Dokja's Scaling(Huge Spoilers)
Strength/AP/DC = Low Complex Multiverse(Sees the Multiverse as a mere dream)
Durability = AP/Strength/DC
Speed = 5th-6th Dimensional Omnipresence
IQ/B-IQ = Omniscient(As the oldest dream, created/dreamed everything into existence and non-existence, created all concepts, fundamental aspects etc)
Range = Low Complex Multiverse
Stamina = Infinite(As the oldest dream)
Hax : Plot Manipulation, Subjective Reality, Acausality(Type 5), Immortality(Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, possibly 9), Abstract Existence(Type 1), Concept Creation, Destruction & Manipulation(Type 1 & 2), Non-Existence Physiology(Type 1[Possibly 2]; Exists in non-existence), Lower & Higher Dimensional Manipulation, Void Manipulation, Regeneration(High Godly) and more
Result = Kim Dokja negs SL verse no concept of diff
He's outer.
Let me just correct you because you forget that he has nep 3
@@yassx5567 who? SJW or Dokja? If it's Dokja, I already said 1 and possibly 2. And type 2 >>> type 3. Type 3 is just a variation of type 1.
@@astral_trinity4580 it's for dokja and Ik but what I was saying that he still have type 3 anyway because of the oldest dreamer controlling what exists and what doesn't with a thought
@@yassx5567 indeed
There’s so many sun jin woo fan boys bruh
Clear dokja
Those who read omniscient reader's viewpoint ain't gonna argue with this🔥
Dude will just re-write solo leveling out of existence
never ever compare solo leveling n jinwoo to anything,because SL fankids are very biased n blinded,just like one punch man fanboys
Of course if you compare their favorite character with other they will support their character. Every fandom do this it's not anything new🙄.
@@wargun09876 nah,not really,i'm sure Berserk fans will not say Guts can take on Ichigo
Cry about it
@@King-vx7dtabout what?
One persons saved his world the other one made them
I read orv after reading SL but in the end i fell in love with orv
All I will say is… Jin woo does have his own dimension the size of the universe that he rules over with absolute power. He is omnipotent and omnipresent there. All the same feats as KDJ but in his own dimension (similar to earth but infinite in size). And since they are that powerful in their own areas of domain, of either one were to cross over into each others area of rule, omnipotence, etc. then they would lose to each other.
If KDJ were to travel to SJW universe then his power of creation and destruction of all things wouldn’t carry over (since he’s outside of his omnipotent universe). Same goes for SJW. That’s why it’s stupid to compare characters from different stories
I don't care much about the vs debate, i love both series and i recommend them both for anyone❤️
Kdj can just imagine sung jin woo dying??
Yes, he created a omniverse just by imagining it
I- i didn't know someone was hotter then jinwoo.... Am- am i gay
.... HOW THE HELL WHO IS THIS MAN
The oldest dream
Kim dokja.
dont worry, kim dokja is so hot that liking him isnt even gay, its just natural
@@Univorn1863 for real
The ugliest king
NAH IF U THINK DOKJA’S LOOK AY JUNGYEOK
You did not have to put that one picture for dokja 😭😭😭
this is overkill 😭🙏 love my man sung jinwoo but dokja takes this
me personally think they both are the same level like put jinwoo in orb he'd be collecting the constellations like Pokemon cards as his pets and put dokja in solo levelling he'd be manipulating reality soo they kinda give off older brother and younger brother kind of energy icl BUT LIKE IMAGINE THIS DUO IN A ROOM
It's not even a match it's a beat down 😦
As the one who reads both novels, comparing Kim Dokja with Jin woo is unfair. Hate to say but easy win for Kim Dokja.
Some kids are fighting for Jin woo who only watched Solo leveling and worshipping him like a God. Who knows they might also have a underwear of Jin woo. 😂😂
Same goes for you, akuto sai> Kim dokja
The absolute being was stated to have created all of the solo leveling universes including Sung Jin woo's world of death which was stated to be infinite.Also he created concepts like space and time scaling him to hight outer. The rulers killed the absolute being.The monarchs are comparable to the rulers. Sung Jin woo is above every monarch and ruler, making him high outer. Results speak for themselves
@@Gabriel-jg5whUniveral-multiversal fodder. Compare him to an actual high outer character like Akuto Sai or Yogiri, he gets beyond neg diffed
@@zlaikqamvs8280 fax and by the way yogiri sweep Kim dokja
I think is unfair you know. If you compared the most ancient dream kim dokja vs sung jinwo. Sung jinwo will absullutly win if he or dokja somehow meet and will fight. Im orv fan, and if you read orv you know that the most ancient dream is the most powerless existence in the orv universe. If you want to defence that dokja can just image sung jinwo never existance, i think it never work because dokja power is a dream and dream cannon be control it never call dream in the first place if it can be controll by kim dokja.
I mean like the whole show is different
Solo leveling : power fantasy korean with power system and god mc
Meainwhile
Orv : is more like power fantasy, drama, and tragedy. And dont forget in orv,story is the power system.
In my perspektif solo leveling is book about satisfaction for the reader. Meanwhile Omniscient reader view point is the story is like read a good old fantasy book on your childhood.
I think you are forgetting that you can erase a certain part of a dream in your memory it's not like you can control a dream but a dream is a concept in your brain so? KDJ wipes
And it doesn't change the fact that KDJ is weaker no matter how you view it because a dream is a concept in your brain.
@@Secretive-Plotter777 yeah i agree, but i think we can agree that when dokja read solo leveling he will think the story is mid.
He is powerless in verse because restrictions are placed on him by the verse, if he and jinwoo fight in his verse then jinwoo will also have restrictions placed on him and if they fight outside the verse kim's restrictions will be removed.
Can you do Kim Dokja vs Sakuya Izayoi? if you’re not able to can you at least say who you think wins? thanks!!
kim dokja neg diff
Song name please bro 🥺🥺🥺🥺🙏🙏🙏🙏
Omniscients reader viewpoint
It has weeb novel adaptation too
I mean it’s kinda wrong to compare dice Kim became the maker of everything, the omnipotent whereas Jin woo is higher than a god so yeah but still me being Jin woo fan, I will say kdj is the strongest character I have seen in a manhwa and then Jin wio
@zephyr yes after i finished The God Of Highschool. Jin Mori is most defint one of the strongest character in manhwa. But Light novel Kim Dokja solos!!!
@zephyr Well *technically*... anything that's fiction means Kim Dokja wins... cus yk.. since he is the oldest dream and overlooks every story so they don't stop exsisting
@zephyr2791 after some research I got to this conclusion
jin mori = Kim Dokja> jin woo > Gilgamesh > anime verse completely (Yah Goku and Saitama and anos and rimuru and all goods too)
if we consider the LN version of all because , LN protagonists are completely on another level
Ok lets clear some misunderstanding
First sung jin woo is not completly immortal he just doesn't age and become one in evert timeline bc of tht object i forgot name of, this type of immortality is very weak people who can erase the existence by changing reality can easiky kill him
Sung jing woo is not transcdent to time he just go back to past and changed the timeline and the fact tht him intervening with time line did not create an alternate one is proof solo leveling cosmology is small and there are a lot of characters in manhwa who have regressed the one is closest to be beyond time is mc of sss suicide hunter
Sung jin woo does not have hacks like reality wrapping which are key factor in gods fight menwhile kim dojka is basically a god a being comparable to author
People really underestimating Jin woo in the comments lol. He is the embodiment of death in the novel and can't be killed as said by himself because whenever he is destroyed his body returns to the eternal rest which is infinite in size and regenerate. Not to mention he can instant transmission anyone into the eternal rest where he is all powerful in. He also has also has access to the abilities of the 10 millions monsters he killed. In the novel his existence alone is so powerful that the excess mana radiating off of him is a danger to the universe and transcends dimensions which is how the titans could sense him from an entire different universe and attacked him. He also tanked the breath of destruction which was stated in being capable of erasing concepts and all it did to sung was leave a burn on his hand. That shit literally erases concepts. The only thing dokja really has over Jin woo is creation and probably speed. In terms of durability etc Jin woo takes it.
Then you are underestimating KDJ.. Jin woo becomes death himself but KDJ literally become a creation. He can make solo leveling like a child story if he want to
Dude... Are you dumb? He said LN not Manhwa. Let's take a moment to REALIZE we are take about the Most Ancient Dream. Do you even understand the capabilities of the human mind? No, no you don't. If Jinwoo is infinite, then Dokja LN is immeasurable. If you're not an idiot at English, you would understand that It was unfair since the start. Dokja has the power of "Imagination" and lol what? Death? Give me a break, time and truth are one of the tons of concepts that are comprehended by the human mind. You get it? Dokja has the literal power of "Every possible thing a Human can imagine". Death is a mere time-dependent effect..
@@kevinhogan8916 frfr og
@@kevinhogan8916 Bro creation and destruction are like two sides of a coin.. U cant scale em and compare
@@stacyjudith3691 its death not destruction
Overkill!! Kim Dokja should fight characters like Cain (Cha Yeon Yoo), Nie Li, Luo Zheng, Featherine or any other Outerversal or High Outerversal characters.
Can kim dokja even be measured i mean near the end of the novel after he becomes ancient dream there’s a a small passage that basically says his stats if they were able to be seen now just read as ?????? Along with his name and stuff so he’s beyond god level he’s more like a mulitversal god at that point like in marvel
Basicamente si :) pero dividio cuerpo con 49 % pero igual el sueño mas antiguo esta en su maximo apogeo ademas de que Si Jiwoon si quiera piense en ir encontra del sueñ mas antiguo literal el rey dokkabie o los dioses exterios se papearian a jiwoon ademas de que al entrar a y jiwoon pagaria el castigo con la ley de la verosimilitud
Song name?
The omniscient reader
The problem is that most likely it would be a draw since due to the star stream Dokja is unable to purposefully interfere, say if it was the old “Oldest Dream” then Sung Woo dies immediately since, that Oldest Dream created the verse unintentionally and anything that would interfere with his dream probably was erased.
When I say can’t purposefully interfere I mean that he can’t interfere with the purpose to interfere without consequence
Bruh dokja can wipe out an entier universe by just moving his eyes
Jinwoo : I am the death God, With Infinite Growth, Army of undead soldiers, and True God
Dokja : Meh.. In my dreams you are still the weakest hunter “Edits Jinwoo plot to being banggang by his soldier”
whered you get the clips for dokja?
If you get to know then please tell me too
i cant say anything if reference coming from LN, but what i see in manhua kim dokja cant be compared to sun jin woo is top.
kim dokja completly dominates not current manwha tho
@@Shiny_Crown i see, guess i will think about reading it then... ln version
@@allfords3408 you should read it. Trust me it’s a good read 👍
@@Shiny_Crown was it the mc from " ...... readers view point" ? I dont remember the full name
@@malemar Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint
Wtf, ok, I need to read this
Yeah if you like solo leveling, you will like omniscient reader too
yesss! it is actually insane, I read it and ill tell your your in for a ride (if you didnt already finish it since this was a bit ago lol)
I just started I think I’m on ch 26 and it’s soo goodd
@@eeenima7831sooo, did you have your depresso espresso?
Comparing Sung Jin-Woo from "Solo Leveling" to Kim Dokja from "Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint" in terms of their respective light novels (LN) is fascinating. Both characters undergo significant growth throughout their stories, facing numerous challenges and adversaries.
Sung Jin-Woo's journey revolves around his transformation from an E-rank hunter to the powerful Shadow Monarch, demonstrating remarkable determination, strength, and strategic thinking along the way. His ability to level up and control shadows makes him a formidable force in combat.
On the other hand, Kim Dokja possesses the unique ability to perceive and interact with the narrative of "Ways of Survival," allowing him to predict and adapt to various storylines and scenarios. His knowledge of the novel's plot and characters grants him a distinct advantage in navigating dangerous situations.
In a hypothetical showdown between the two protagonists within their respective light novels, the outcome would depend on several factors, including their abilities, preparation, and the narrative context. Both Sung Jin-Woo and Kim Dokja are incredibly resourceful and capable individuals, capable of overcoming formidable challenges in their respective universes.
Who did bro yap for
@@CarlosBelowHeaven Im almost 100% sure its chatGPT shenanigans
imagine if kim dokja was the companion of sung jin woo instead of yoo joonghyuk.
Kim dokja the oldest dream gg
damn everyone wanna compete with kim dokja
Name of the novel?
Omniscient readers viewpoint
Novellerini okumayanlar için söylüyorum;sung jin woo nun weebtoon a göre novelde daha güçlü olduğu doğru ancak kim dokja novelde bu tanrı olarak gördüğümüz kişilerinde üzerinde bir yer elde ediyor,hatta bu tanrılardan biri oluyor ancak bunu yaparken bütün tanrılar yok oluyor,şuan kim dokja yıkılışın tanrısı gibi bir şey olarak noveli bitirdi(lakap yanlış olabilir).Zekası yüksek ihtimalle tüm herkesi tekler ve şuandan sonrası spoiler;kim dokja hikayenin sonunda diğerleriyle beraber olabildi ancak bizim mangada konuştuğunu gördüğümüz kim dokja hâla tanrıların somut olduğu boyutta kaldı.Yani novel bitti ve bizim bildiğimiz kim dokja şuan kendi başına bir karanlıkta yaşıyor veya bir seyler ile ugraşıyor
Dostum dediğin doğru ama Jin woo nun gücünün %100 hiç bir zaman ne Novelde ne de webtoon da görebildik Tanrı olduktan sonra gücünü görmedik o yüzden çokta birbirlerini kapıştırmamak Lazım ikiside farklı evrenler kendi evrenlerinde onları kimse yenemez ne dokja, jinwoo yu ne de jinwoo, dokja yı yenemez he ikiside farklı bir evrende kapışsa jinwoo yener %100 Gölge lordu olur ve milyonlarca askerini ortaya çıkar tek atar mı dersek orasını bilemem ama yenemez jinwoo yu kimse ne yapacağını okuyamaz bilemez dokjayıda aynı şekilde jinwoo hayranı değilim bütün webtoonları seviyorum bunu şu gibi düşün saitama > goku diyen çocuklar gibi aslında tam tersi goku > saitama (saitamanın sınırı olmasa bile garou la savaştıktan sonra ne kadar güçlü olduğunu gördük, gokunun Novel + mangasında saitama tüm gücünü kullansa bile yenemez (he animede belki kapışır ama dediğim gibi öyle) o yüzden çokta uzatmak istemiyorum okumazsın belki jinwoo her türlü yener kim dokja ne kadar güçsüz olduğunu webtoon da gördüm işter novelde tanrı katili olsun çoğu şey olmuyo novelde novel alternatif bir son
@@QuatronTR knk hepsini okudum ve bende bu iki karakterin fanı değilim,ayrıca dediğin doğru zaten goku 1a iken saitama daha 4 b tier seviyesinde biri yani kapışamazlar bile.Fakat benim burda anlatmaya çalıştığım şey normal değil yani sana şöyle anlatayım;sung jinn woo tanrı deniliyor ancak tek bir tanrı değil ve bu tanrı gücüde sadece dünyayı korumaya yetiyor.Ashborn un bile gücünü aldıktan sonra son egemeni zor yenmişti.Buna belki gücünün hepsini almadı diyebilirsin ancak şöyle bir şey var oda sung un 2. Reenkarnede yaptığı savaştada elinden büyük bir yara alması ve çoğu askerinin ölmesiydi.Bunların ikisinin farkını sana şöyle anlatayım;novelin sonlarına doğru dokja artık yenilemez birisi oluyor ve tek tanrı olarak kalıyor.Bundan sonrada dünyadaki tüm bozuklukları düzeltip herkesi tekrar yaratıyor ve dünyayı hiç birşey yaşanmamış zamanına döndürüyor.Sana tam olarak açıklayamam ancak bunların ikisinin arasındaki farkı anos ile rimuru gibi düşün fakat artık ikisininde noveli bittiği için gelişme imkanlarıda yok.Bildiğin gibi Anos gerek herşeyiyle rimuru dan daha güclü ve rimuru daha veldnava ile bile karşılaşmadı ki veldnava da max 2a gücümde birisi olucak yani her türlü Anos daha güclü ve Anos tan kastığım kişide dokja oluyor
Guys, if you’re looking for something good to read, I recommend 'Athena's General Reincarnated in Another World.' It tells the story of a General who became a God after defeating the entire Greek Olympus by eliminating his arch-nemesis, the goddess Athena. After becoming the Sovereign God, he decides to die as a human. Upon his death, the entity Charon sends him to another world filled with magic. In this world, he has everything he always wanted (family and friends). However, this world is at war, and his people are threatened. Now he must use his skills from the other world and the magic of this one. What’s cool about this story is that it features magical creatures, relics, ocular powers, and the interesting twist is that the Goddess Athena (his arch-nemesis) haunts him as a ghost.
Bro pretty much is rimuru by the end this is overkill
Finally. This is the first post with Kim Dokja in it squeals in delight
Massive spoilers ahead for Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. Do not read unless you have finished the entire novel.
To understand the power of KDJ one has to understand what he is and the cosmology of ORV
There are infinite timeless/universes in the main dimension of ORV. The age-old question of "if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" applies to this verse. In order for these timelines to exist, there must be someone or something to "observe" or more accurately, "read" it. That is the purpose of the Oldest Dream. As it "reads" everything going on in these timelines, it constantly creates new ones according to its imagination. This is why he scales to multiversal+
EOS Dokja became the Oldest Dream. However, he fragmented his soul to be spread all across these universes in order to be the Oldest Dream. Thus, he is no longer KDJ. His reincarnations are neither aware that they were "Kim Dokja", nor are they aware of their powers. However, they still fulfill the role of the Oldest Dream by observing their respective universes.
KDJ could literally be some random guy on the street.
For this reason, while he can create infinite universes, he has no actual combat power. Sung Jinwoo claps.
@@carlososler7024 you literally copied and pasted this...
@@carlososler7024 And guess what. we're not talking about some random kim dokja. We're talking about the real kim dokja... as in.. Oldest Dream lol.
i know kim beats sung, but..... Drip is definitely sung, the guy is much more stylish than kim
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Music?
ploice situation - jackorak
Both of them are low comp multi but can be scaled to outer. GOATS from the 2 best manhwa ever.
First time seeing orv short on my feed and it is amazing
All the SJW stans coping real hard in the comments lol
Lol all i see is orv fan that putting kimdok shit guy power even do no one asking
@@arisemfand Solo leveling fans making shit up just to compete