1st Drive BMW i7 xDrive60 - Not Impressed! | 4k

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  • Опубликовано: 14 дек 2024

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  • @rayrobinsonesq.597
    @rayrobinsonesq.597 Год назад +10

    I’ve rotated back and forth between S class and 7 series for years. I’ve enjoyed my S class for the last 6 years and was ready to go electric. The dealer gave me a loaner EQS for a couple of days. Although the ride was wonderful, ingress/egress was horrible for me (I’m a big guy). The I7 won me over without even driving it. I ordered it immediately and (according to the online progress report) it just left the factory. I can’t wait! Perfect Xmas present to myself.

    • @gabrielamari-fh6qj
      @gabrielamari-fh6qj 4 месяца назад

      How's it been? Everything ok? Still happy?

    • @rayrobinsonesq.597
      @rayrobinsonesq.597 4 месяца назад

      @@gabrielamari-fh6qj Absolutely. I’m still very pleased. The lease came with 3 years of free public fast charging but I barely use it since I have a charging station at home.

  • @zuksontheline
    @zuksontheline Год назад +8

    No one talks about the decrease in quality instead they focus on the wow design. Thank you for being that up.

  • @myporscheadventures
    @myporscheadventures Год назад +29

    One of the last people here on youtube who would only share his honest opinion. Appreciate that. Great review, as always 👌🏽

  • @rl7111
    @rl7111 Год назад +20

    The previous gen M760Li was one of the greatest BMW's and V12's ever built. Sadly we will never see their like again.😔. As Joe says, "the old 7 was perfection".

    • @shaneblack8082
      @shaneblack8082 Год назад +3

      I just picked up me G11 and there was a white V12 in the dealership at the same time.
      Absolutely and completely spellbound by both. As for this new thing😂

  • @mrgasman9632
    @mrgasman9632 Год назад +59

    The thing with joe is how honest and knowledgeable his reviews are top work as always

    • @JoeAchilles1
      @JoeAchilles1  Год назад +6

      Thank you! Although apparently BMW pay me 😅

    • @mrgasman9632
      @mrgasman9632 Год назад +2

      We all need a little side hustle joe 😂

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Год назад +2

      @@JoeAchilles1 NOT NEARLY ENUFF!!!

    • @madmax1631
      @madmax1631 Год назад +1

      @@JoeAchilles1i personally love the new 7 series especially the 760i xdrive with the Japanese crystal headlights

    • @madmax1631
      @madmax1631 Год назад

      @@JoeAchilles1 and you should try the 760i xdrive because the electric car is more heavier and not sporty

  • @gothychris
    @gothychris Год назад +3

    "All 4 wheels off the ground?? Couldn't feel it in this" 😂😂

  • @brianiswrong
    @brianiswrong Год назад +6

    16:34
    True words from joe
    Lots of gadgets ,bling and trinkets are ok for 10 mins
    But deep down, ingrained quality is what you need for 3 years of ownership and 40'000 miles.

  • @itsjoel
    @itsjoel Год назад +4

    When you sent it in the air I laughed so hard 😂

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Год назад

      & they say no flying cars! Ok, the wardens say that. To Joe.

  • @R8andGT3Fan
    @R8andGT3Fan Год назад +1

    My God, 23 mins of brutal honesty! Very appreciated, of course. 😎
    I laughed a lot with the "four wheels off the ground" situation! 🤣🤣

  • @w.a.8829
    @w.a.8829 Год назад +4

    so how much of your assessment of this i7's interior quality is driven by the incredibly dull spec? the various browns and whites with open pore wood trim are SO much nicer

  • @guinnessharvey4476
    @guinnessharvey4476 Год назад +11

    BMW at least have the balls to design something so bold. Like it or hate it, you gotta admit it’s striking.

  • @garyhuntsr71698
    @garyhuntsr71698 4 месяца назад +1

    not even a kind gesture offered to a kidnapped back-seater! 😍

  • @Saul-jv6hr
    @Saul-jv6hr Год назад +2

    I appreciate your review and honest opinion. It means a lot coming from you and your experience. I wish BMW Would listen to you and to your honesty.

  • @PonticelloMotorsport
    @PonticelloMotorsport Год назад +1

    Technology made possible for manufacturers something never possible before: more features, higher prices with lower production costs. They are taking out buttons because they are EXPENSIVE compared to redesigning an electronic interface. That’s plain and simple the reason. They tell you many stories but the truth is that these cars are higher priced AND are worth less compared to previous generations… lesser materials less physical complexity and many many heavy electric and cheap motors for controlling everything. That’s also why the surplus weight (other than the batteries ofc).
    Cars used to have the best of the best in materials and technology but these huge ass screens are too economical to be skipped. And people love these tricks. All in all I would die to know a TRUE cost breakdown of a 2023 7 series vs a 2007 7 series.

  • @zero521
    @zero521 Год назад +3

    Great review. Thank you for giving us an honest opinion rather than a biased one (that most reviewrs give these days). Much apprrciated.

  • @jamesward1931
    @jamesward1931 Год назад +10

    I think it has become cool to hate on the new BMW styling on the internet. Personally I think it looks amazing, modern, menacing, broad shouldered, like an MMA fighter wearing a tailored suit. I think the dark colours suit this style best. Also disappointed in the review that seems to me to be “this big heavy luxury car is big and heavy and doesn’t handle like a sports car” well surely if you want a sports car then that’s what you’ll go and buy. Looking forward to more objective reviews in the future.

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Год назад +3

      Thought Joe might be showing his age for 1st time, till he got pulled over for being a hooligan in 3 ton stretch limo. Up, up & away, Joe!

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Год назад

      Their design head mentioned in interview BMW have 40 million social media followers, annually they sell fraction of that. Hating BMW online is now a bigger industry than owning 1.

    • @efo4697
      @efo4697 Год назад +2

      Black colors suits this best because its so overstyle especially upfront that the black makes it blend but if you get any other color it becomes monstrosity.
      It just looks boring and why the fck they put a tv like that back there for 4 grand. Just remove that, put 2 ipads like everyone else and use the rest 3k to make the interior a bit more luxurios. At the moment you have 2 screens, a bit of diamond and then the other part of the interior is completely disconected.
      It's not cool to hate on BMW, its just a bad design and people are calling it out.
      Everyone likes the touring M3, because it makes the front end not as bad and it kind of works with the avant version.
      If you say that BMW are moving in the right direction right now and you are a BMW fan, you are just lying to yourself and you know that.

  • @bossman4401
    @bossman4401 Месяц назад

    Anyone who buy this car will love it. Just ordered one. Can’t wait

  • @khaedundou2942
    @khaedundou2942 Год назад +3

    I have been waiting for your thoughts. I would like another review after four months or so. Joe really didn't like the i7 even before the review, so I don't expect as much enthusiasm as to other cars he likes.

  • @brycebrown1
    @brycebrown1 Год назад +3

    Last 5 minutes! Golden! 😂👍

  • @pjs12464
    @pjs12464 Год назад +2

    I sense a more critical tone from you these days. I like it

  • @edward92128
    @edward92128 Год назад +4

    Your old one was actually a really good looking car. It’s a shame the same can’t be said about the new one

    • @edward92128
      @edward92128 Год назад

      @@ifeanyiikemefuna3706 personal opinion

  • @Kelveron
    @Kelveron Год назад +3

    When Joe puts the word 'honest' in the clip title, you know the review is not going to be complimentary! 😁 Lookswise, the nose is not exactly elegant. But the profile and rear look ok. To be fair the i7 is getting very good reviews, from what I've seen. I guess being a full tonne heavier than your M3 Touring, the cornering will come as a shock, but maybe not so bad in comparison to other full on luxury EVs.

  • @Nature__patrol
    @Nature__patrol Год назад +1

    Probably the best review on this as Joe said tiktokers car😂

  • @Richspjones
    @Richspjones Год назад +1

    Brilliant review; one of your best!

  • @bossman4401
    @bossman4401 6 месяцев назад

    I have driven The latest Maybach GLS600 and Bentley Bentayga for the last year, and after sitting in the BMW i7 it’s as luxurious and high quality as those cars. Haven’t driven yet though.

  • @andymccurley1
    @andymccurley1 Год назад +1

    Did you park on purpose next to the white Prius?

  • @vladcostea6692
    @vladcostea6692 Год назад +1

    Oh man I ve been waiting for this one. Congratulations Joe!

  • @MATTFL380
    @MATTFL380 Год назад +1

    Why does it look like the seats have been run over by a very big tyre?

  • @banjovic
    @banjovic Год назад +4

    Funny because i rewatched your 1,100 mile in a single tank video of the 7 series yesterday, curious which one would you pick if you could do the trip all over again?

  • @stephencollins7714
    @stephencollins7714 Год назад +3

    Not sure why manufacturers need to cut costs with new car prices so high, they must be raking it in. They are now out of reach for most. The irony here is that Europe are building cars for China whist China and Korea are building cars that we can actually afford. Agree wholeheartedly with your review, would not prevent me from enjoying being driven in it though. Appreciate your honesty and frank views as always.

    • @JayyyCloud
      @JayyyCloud Год назад

      That is normal, when second/third world countries become richer, so do its people and such new customer segments open. German brands have dominated Europe for the longest time and now they need to cater to upcoming markets to increase their market share. Germans manufacturers can afford this, only the real die hard car enthusiasts will hate, but they majority of the european customer will just buy or lease the new vehicles while the new markets in asia will buy these vehicles en masse.

    • @stephencollins7714
      @stephencollins7714 Год назад +1

      @@JayyyCloud mostly agree with you, not sure you can call it normal though as I believe that this is an unprecedented situation. I hope that EU manufacturers do not turn their backs on the home markets as I think that would be a mistake but I welcome cars from elsewhere for some much needed competition.

    • @JayyyCloud
      @JayyyCloud Год назад +2

      ​@@stephencollins7714 I can't say if manufacturers like BMW or Mercedes really care about their home customer base. The drop in sales in Europe is worth it when your vehicles are selling like hot cakes in Asia and making up for the losses in Europe.
      I also appreciate some competition, unfortunately it has become more apparent that design language is being copied from brand to brand (see Kia with strong German influence) and car groups ordering the same light units, screens, buttons, etc from similar contractors.

  • @marashamalcolm7704
    @marashamalcolm7704 Год назад +3

    Honestly i have to disagree on the looks and quality after I've seen it on real life

  • @abc2662
    @abc2662 Год назад +5

    It has been growing on me because it reminds me of the Green Hornet's car 😅

  • @rubyandrenaetheminiatureda6988
    @rubyandrenaetheminiatureda6988 Год назад +4

    Good honest review Joe! Thank you for sharing 👍

  • @jimwelsh844
    @jimwelsh844 2 месяца назад

    Nice step forward BMW! Bold look giving it character!

  • @joemurphy4489
    @joemurphy4489 Год назад +3

    Honest review. Thanks Joe. Love your videos, as they're honest and well put together.

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Год назад +1

      I believe a 7 can fly! Didn't before this.

  • @MD-ky2dt
    @MD-ky2dt Год назад

    4 wheels in the air. JOE it's just TOP :)

  • @jeg569
    @jeg569 Год назад +4

    Hope you didnt get into too much trouble getting airborne 🤣

  • @coldteeth24
    @coldteeth24 Год назад +105

    It might be a little early in the history of humanity to declare this the ugliest car of all time, but my money is on it.

    • @christophschonbach6263
      @christophschonbach6263 Год назад +17

      Don‘t forget the „XM“ - it will be a close race which of them will make it, I guess 😂😂👌🏻

    • @rupersters
      @rupersters Год назад +1

      ​@@rg6982hi keyboard raider

    • @rupersters
      @rupersters Год назад +4

      I am afraid there will be a lot more coming, but you can put this in a top 10

    • @dzionisis
      @dzionisis Год назад

      @@rg6982 watch out, we got a fanboy over here

    • @gunterlauch2264
      @gunterlauch2264 Год назад +1

      Not even close

  • @toms_garage
    @toms_garage Год назад +6

    Great review Joe, I will say I don't think the excess of screens and tech translate into a luxury product.

  • @fordy6351
    @fordy6351 Год назад

    I have previously commented that BMW has already limited sales of the 7 series in UK, but this car can only make that target market smaller. As a potential buyer of this car,currently running a 2023 M8 Convertible, A 2021 X7 40d, and 2021 X2 Mesh Edition, I am the epitome of a BMW ’fanboy’ but whoever signed this ‘7’ off needs their P45!!! Come back Chris Bangle, you are a genius!!!! Please BMW, build something normal before I need to change again!!! I am with Joe, your on the money, my view is you can’t polish a t*** 😂

  • @unowen-nh9ov
    @unowen-nh9ov Год назад

    Did you change your headline to cut to the chase for clarity or succinctness? Really, bachelor not impressed with 3 ton lwb. stretch limo? How many of those have you flown, Joe?

  • @GeesDrive
    @GeesDrive Год назад

    Clever placement of the Prius in the background Joe 👌

  • @sirdavidnorth
    @sirdavidnorth Год назад +1

    Enjoyed watching this more than I thought I would - more flawed vehicles on the channel please!

  • @plnick4475
    @plnick4475 Год назад +7

    Really interesting to see a realistic glimpse into Joe´s chauffeur past from 19:20 onwards
    XD

  • @stevojohn
    @stevojohn Год назад

    How does the rear view mirror work when the rear screen is down?

  • @FleetAdmiral215
    @FleetAdmiral215 Год назад

    & they called Chris Bangle !, Great Honest video Joe

  • @simonbradshaw3708
    @simonbradshaw3708 Год назад +1

    I have the old BMW 7 Series and I have to agree it doesn't look as special inside. I'm not sure I like the interactive bar which changes colour, it looks plastic. I would have to turn the Han Zimmer sound off as it would annoy me. It is also extremely expensive now as there is no diesel option in the UK and no heads up display. I think I'd buy a cheaper BMW X7 with a diesel engine.

  • @StefABtv
    @StefABtv Год назад +2

    I’m still feeling sick from that pax ride, no 5 star rating for you this time 😂😂😂 good laughs mate 🙌

  • @RickTheSpud
    @RickTheSpud Год назад +1

    That was brilliant. A great honest review, nice to see Stef again, and getting told off for jumping it too! 😂👌

  • @JamesKingstonCars
    @JamesKingstonCars Год назад +1

    That jump 😂

  • @peterhughes506
    @peterhughes506 Год назад

    Other than the absolutely fury-causing issue with the ESIM and the drama getting a data connection working so I can use the Cinema Screen in the back of mine, I love it.

  • @raldyjimenez3319
    @raldyjimenez3319 Год назад

    Any update with your M2?

  • @John-l5g4i
    @John-l5g4i Год назад +1

    Great video as always 🎉

  • @FredaPhillips-dc8vv
    @FredaPhillips-dc8vv Год назад +1

    Brilliant content Joe

  • @adamwaygood611
    @adamwaygood611 Год назад +4

    All 4 wheels very impressive in a car that size 😂😂

  • @sul6ans
    @sul6ans Год назад +5

    I honestly think it looks amazing

  • @jean-michelyon7927
    @jean-michelyon7927 Год назад +1

    Thank you Joe for your honesty and transparency in this review of the i7. That's how I see testing, but as you know, that's not always the case, far from it.

  • @z00h
    @z00h Год назад

    Really enjoyed this vid Joe. More lighthearted than usual which made it feel more authentic.

  • @jamesk1806
    @jamesk1806 Год назад

    Shows that taste is subjective because I think they are lovely and I've seen many of them in the flesh.

  • @rustystuff
    @rustystuff Год назад +1

    Enjoyed this bud. 👏

  • @alimack5489
    @alimack5489 Год назад +2

    I’d be a bit worried if I paid £130k for a car and felt like costs had been cut somewhere 😅 and 2.7 tonnes is mad!

  • @Hammertime4404
    @Hammertime4404 Год назад +4

    Looks are subjective of course, but I quite like the exterior

  • @davidbillberg2203
    @davidbillberg2203 Год назад +1

    Thanks Joe!

  • @tim1king
    @tim1king Год назад

    The last part 😂😂😂😂 brilliant

  • @ThrottleBody
    @ThrottleBody Год назад

    Controversial, but I don’t mind the exterior. It’s not pretty, but it’s imposing and has a presence. More so than it’s rivals. It looks like it would belong to someone important and looks different to the rest of the range, which I like. I really love the interior too.

  • @santana9537
    @santana9537 Год назад +3

    Personally I love the Design
    Has a lot of presence and the interior is insane

    • @krugmeup2162
      @krugmeup2162 Год назад

      You mean it’s like a shiny iPhone

  • @tomashley5869
    @tomashley5869 Год назад

    Loved the last bit Joe! Oh really, all 4 wheels off the ground ? 😂😂😂

  • @ItsDanLatham
    @ItsDanLatham Год назад

    Didn't get a chance to say hi at SMMT but I drove this around the track also, after checking out the Merc EQS and EQE I thought this was more impressive to be fair. Its gorgeous inside and fast but I agree the styling is bizarre and at £135k spec, I'd rather have an older 7, loads of fuel money and a few fun cars on the side. Rear seat experience is where this really shines.

  • @siblej1
    @siblej1 Год назад +2

    BMWs designers seem to want to destroy the company

  • @lukegilbert7985
    @lukegilbert7985 Год назад +1

    This is great take, screens don't = luxury. Lot of new cars coming are lots of extra money for worse cars, not just for electric models either.

  • @irGuilty
    @irGuilty Год назад +2

    Get the m760i while you can, THE ULTIMATE CAR

  • @CarsofGlasgow
    @CarsofGlasgow Год назад +1

    great video Joe

  • @sajedfb797
    @sajedfb797 Год назад +1

    Thanks ❤

  • @auchen888dolly8
    @auchen888dolly8 Год назад +1

    Awesome review Joe ..I am staying away from this can’t wait to hear you talk about the new M5 when that comes out ..

  • @superset5
    @superset5 Год назад +1

    Saw a white one the other day. Surprised it didn't look that bad.

  • @alexluke84
    @alexluke84 Год назад +7

    This car needs a 6.6 twin turbo V12 with 700hp...and 4.4 twin turbodiesel V8 with 420hp

  • @barneysman9116
    @barneysman9116 Год назад

    did you try playing games on the tv. such an original decision from the bright minds at bmw!

  • @bield7
    @bield7 Год назад +6

    Great review as always from Joe. Nice interior, dreadful looking exterior, and BMW dealers and specialists will be rubbing their hands with glee when all the tech goes wrong 😂

    • @johnb8956
      @johnb8956 Год назад

      I’ll be honest I don’t really like the interior either. It’s not terrible, it’s just a bit over styled. Much prefer a 7 series from 5-10 years ago. And I dread to think what this will look like in 10-20 years.

    • @bield7
      @bield7 Год назад

      @@johnb8956 it’ll still look hideous 😂 BMW have lost the plot with most of their designs now; there hardly anything in their current range that looks good. I doubt I’ll buy another if their current design philosophy continues. As you say, the older 7-Series were lovely cars

  • @unowen-nh9ov
    @unowen-nh9ov Год назад

    Cost cutting or the fact that this is the most monochromatic, generic & rental looking G70 interior I've seen? Only 1, in fact, the cashmere & cloth or cherry leather have all looked quite deluxe. This is like 2nd coming of E65, journos didn't enjoy BMW pushing the envelope then, either, will be curious to see how the market takes to this 1, @ this size, weight & BEV this is new segment for BMW. Curious to hear what you think of this tech in neu 5er (also not a small car), or even better, XM hybrid V8 drivetrain M5.

  • @richierich9761
    @richierich9761 Год назад +1

    Joe is exposed as a secret Prius owner 😂

  • @jkliao6486
    @jkliao6486 Год назад +1

    13:43 flying brick!

  • @chasf3433
    @chasf3433 Год назад +1

    If this is BMWs idea of saving the planet there is no hope!

  • @PhilipMcKeown-o5o
    @PhilipMcKeown-o5o Год назад +2

    Just bought the G11. Prefer that model. Can't get over the bulbus front on the new gen.

  • @richardwarner5491
    @richardwarner5491 Год назад

    Looking forward to the spec ordering video with Tony @
    Berry BMW 😮

  • @andrewvaughan5686
    @andrewvaughan5686 Год назад

    love your vids joe but kinda wish you showed some examples as to why it didn't feel as nice/luxurious as the last model. which is crazy because here in australia they've hiked up the price by $100 grand from the last model

  • @unowen-nh9ov
    @unowen-nh9ov Год назад

    After breaking M2, Joe is now going after superheavy title.

  • @animalutz00
    @animalutz00 Год назад

    Im 101% agree with you.
    Old gen 7, a gem.
    This, just a shiny "thing".
    Sad BMW went down the merc way.

    • @krugmeup2162
      @krugmeup2162 Год назад

      They were told to and bmw are too gutless

    • @dstfno
      @dstfno 11 месяцев назад

      They don't have a choice. European politics are killing the car industry.

  • @HCH9990
    @HCH9990 Год назад +1

    G70 pricing is insane, given what you could pick up a well equipped new G11 for. Hybrids are pointless in this segment, too - why add another massive weight bump for minimal benefit to a 2T+ limo?

    • @krugmeup2162
      @krugmeup2162 Год назад

      BMW are just WEF puppets now doing as they are told. That’s how you get a stupid thing like this

  • @sp3c0ps
    @sp3c0ps Год назад

    I also prefer the 7series before that was a beast.

  • @veitritter3317
    @veitritter3317 Год назад +1

    It is so sad having to experience over the last couple of years how BMW seems to have lost it with some and quite a few of its cars. It really makes me ponder if I hear that the driving dynamics are nowhere near as good as they once have been, whilst this has always been a BMW trademark. The outside looks are subjective, but to see how BMW has come from something like your 740LD in 2017 to something like this in just a couple of years makes me cringe personally.
    A German car journalist recently said that he admires “that Porsche doesn't seem to have the need to please a specific market at all and they still get sold all over the world, whilst all other German premium car manufacturers seem to be focusing on one target market only.” Very sad but just as true. I wish BMW would start to be doing what they are doing with their motorbikes and introduce something like a heritage fleet. Thank you for your honesty, I couldn't agree with you more! Great work as always!

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Год назад

      You know they're still making M2 CS along with iX, right? Have you seen Joe's M3 passenger response vids here? I watch 'em whenever I need a mood elevator, now he elevates 3 ton lwb. BEV limo.

  • @Y15ARG
    @Y15ARG Год назад

    I agree, it's not a looker, but neither is the G82, you still bought several of those! :)

    • @JoeAchilles1
      @JoeAchilles1  Год назад

      Maybe you should learn BMW model codes before attempting to be funny 🤔

  • @niallroche2051
    @niallroche2051 Год назад

    Hey joe great video as always! Can we see a range test with the i7? 😊

  • @anthonyfarnan5935
    @anthonyfarnan5935 Год назад

    Saving the planet one 3-tonne luxo-barge at a time!

  • @ifixbones
    @ifixbones Год назад +2

    Agree with Joe!!! I have owned over 13 7 series, the last one being a 2022 Alpina B7, which is awesome BTW, and I can’t get over the fact that the new 7 looks cheap, and ugly. I hope that BMW somehow could bring back the classic beauty of the Ultimate Driving Machine! Cheers

  • @2Bunphettered788
    @2Bunphettered788 Год назад +1

    Can't wait for the redesign Joe. 😄

  • @Lkpumpin
    @Lkpumpin Год назад +1

    I feel 15mins is not enough to make a review on a car like this

  • @DeltaDubai03
    @DeltaDubai03 Год назад

    I start to see quite a lot of those new 7 series. And the look grows on me.
    What happened to BMW, did they forget to transfer the monthly installment to Joe's account😁?

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Год назад

      Same thing happened with Car and Driver for years, they were accused of being in BMW's pocket until they disappeared from 10 Best lists for 1st time.

  • @DamoDrives
    @DamoDrives Год назад

    The other i7 I took out had even more extras and was 162k.

  • @shaneblack8082
    @shaneblack8082 Год назад +1

    BMW have had their Bud Light moment.
    I mean look at this horror story. I’m pretty sure they’re not selling them down here in Australia, never seen one out in the traffic.

  • @ijoseluis
    @ijoseluis Год назад +1

    19:11
    Nice to see you again after that tremendous problem with the M2.
    I liked very much your clear opinions, which, not surprisingly, coincide with my own view.
    BMW is losing its fabulous route, what is a real pity.

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Год назад

      Yes, how they have become #1 full-range global premium & doubled volume this century while also being largest Amerikuhn exporter of vehicles for past 8 years. Irrelevant as they halve ICE production for 25 neu EV.