That's good. It means you didn't look up an algorithm. I think the vast majority of people just memorize algorithms to solve these puzzle rather than find the solution on their own.
This entire video is hearsay lmao y’all are getting too comfortable “exposing” people without any proof, I wish there lawsuits actually worked against some of you
His wording “I made a mistake and had to improvise” can be read as “I forgot the moves I had observed the scramblers doing and had to actually finish solving it myself”
No, you missed the point. He's using the I made a mistake excuse to explain how he came up with the first few absurdly optimal moves that only a computer would be able to find. Because no human would ever start with the sequence he used, and experienced cubers know this, he needed a way to justify that move order. And so he said the bizarre opening was because he made a mistake.
In the video by JScuber, Telesforo says that the table had a crack and the cube fell there and got a little mixed up, so he improvised and tried to return the cube to where it was, which made the cube too easy to solve.
@iHeartCoolStuff "No human would ever start with the sequence he used" just seems like some hater stuff to say. If it can happen it will. This is the universal truth.
@ClaytonBaby So humans use specific algorithms to solve a rubiks cube in layers because it's intuitive and uses pattern recognition. Computers have the advantage of incredible computational power and can find a direct solution that takes less moves but doesn't adhere to any pattern. His sequence of moves is impossible for a human to "compute" and so unlikely to occur at random that's it is more than just sus. "If it can happen it will" is absolutely not a universal truth. It's just not how probability works. There are 8.0658 × 10^67 ways to shuffle a deck of cards. Pick any sequence of cards. Now if you shuffled 100 decks of cards every second for a million years, the odds of any one ever hitting that sequence are 1 in 2.56 × 10^52 (that's a 1 with 52 zeros). Some things are just so unlikely that they will never ever ever happen. There isn't enough time in the entire span of universe's existence.
You didn't mention it, but the theory from back in the day was that Martin had practiced a particular scramble. For his first solve, he put the self-scrambled cube down on the table and nobody noticed, then he solved it as practiced, and solves 2-5 were official scrambles. The 35 move solution he gave was made up (using cube explorer) to try to explain how he could have solved the official scramble so fast.
@C3Rl3Because he solved it using a solution that he got from a program that wasn’t believable, but then claimed to have solved it with a solution that made more sense for a person.
@C3Rl3 He gave himself an easy scramble with a really fast, practiced solution (probably less than 20 moves), somehow swapped the real scramble with that fake one, then solved that fake one. If you didn't notice him swap the cubes, it looks like he just got a really fast time. Because it wasn't recorded, it couldn't easily be proven that he used the wrong scramble. People wanted to know how he solved it so quickly, so when he got home, he used a program to come up with a """reasonable""" solution to the official scramble to try and explain it. Even then, the solution he came up with was not consistent with any known method of solving and was extremely hard to execute quickly. Providing reconstructions for solves is extremely common practice and it would have been even more sus if he just refused to tell anyone what his solution was.
@C3Rl3 He didn't know a solution to the official scramble, only his own fake scramble. So when people asked how he solved the first scramble, he had to come up with something.
That’s like the woman NASCAR driver I think, and I saw in an interview where she said she has been in a lot of accidents on the road lol. So it’s possible 😂
@snap937 That relatable tho. Lots of distractions driving in public as opposed to a road course. Hell I’d say him driving mainly in races makes him more susceptible to crashing on public roads. The amount of concentration it takes to drive F-1 is almost super human. Heres an okay comparison. I play guitar, at one point really well, and then Guitar Hero came out and I sucked at that game. Meanwhile the kids that were murdering high scores in Guitar Hero, couldn’t even play a power chord on a real guitar. Lewis Hamilton went from playing a “real guitar” to Guitar Hero. They’re kinda the same thing but he was still out of his element
For people who don’t know how to solve a cube, I can give you an analogy of the situation. Solving a cube requires looking for patterns that lead to more patterns after using algorithms. You’re not just taking a direct path straight to a solved cube using the perfect chain of moves. This would be the same as somebody looking for a treasure chest with hints vs somebody looking for a treasure chest with the exact specific location given to them. If you had hints you would wander around a bit but still eventually make it to the buried treasure. With a direct location, you could walk in a straight “perfect” line directly to the buried chest location. This guy essentially did that but with a cube. A “perfect” line straight to the cube solution that made no logical sense unless he knew the scramble before hand
Okay except you’re very wrong all it takes is one person with the same memorization skills as chess players and then they know every perfect move because they’ve solved that scramble before, I swear this loser community doesn’t even know what memorization is and how NO ONE SOLVES A CUBE LIKE HOW YOU MENTIONED IN COMPETITION
@david-468 do you know there are 43 quintillion ways a Rubik’s cube can be scrambled and even more ways it can be solved? The chance that you’ve seen a cube scrambled the exact same way is quite literally classified as statistically improbable (not impossible). Not to mention even if you were lucky enough to get a cube scramble you have already seen. What’s the chance you remember it? You solved a cube once in this specific way years ago after thousands of solves as a speed cuber and you just happen to remember not only the exact 1/43 quintillion scramble but also remember the EXACT way you solved it? You aren’t making any sense and have never been to cubing competitions
@david-468 that’s the point I’m trying to make. Photographic memory doesn’t help with solving a Rubik’s cube in any capacity unless you watched the person scramble the cube (which is against the rules at cubing competitions). Would photographic memory help Steph curry in a basketball game? How would he know exactly what each and every opponent is going to do exactly when he’s going to do it? He can study the players playstyles but that’s as far as it goes. Solving a cube is the same. You’re taking in NEW information when you see the cube for the first time and reacting to the new patterns the cube creates as you’re solving it. So I don’t see how photographic memory is even a topic of discussion here. You fundamentally don’t understand how a cube is solved and that’s fine
Even if Telesforo's 4.41 was genuine, the scrambled cubes being unconcealed is enough justification to invalidate the whole competition and WR. No matter how people try to spin it, the WR was always illegitimate.
True but that is their fault, if they really felt that way they shouldn't have banned him for two years because no doubt there were other that would have used that to cheat that they didn't ban. Baning him and only him was just ass covering because they had no idea if he really did cheat or how he did.
Y’all losers are so weird, every white/western competition does it the same exact way, and you weirdos glorify children who simply memorized most of the scrambles and have nothing else in that brain of there’s, all you need is a good memory and you literally never have to “solve” a Rubik’s cube again
@cache001 they’re worse then that they’re so simple minded they believe you can’t memorize certain moves for certain positions like in chess, even if there is “infinite” amount of possible moves the high tier players still know what the best moves are
@lordtelionThe WCA invalidated all results of the competition and also banned the delegate running that competition. Martin Telesforo was the most blatant case of abusing the conditions of the competition and continue to lie to the WCA and the speedcubing community about his solve.
Technically the exposed scrambling table is enought to DNF every single result on the competition acording to the regulations, and I believe I saw it somewhere in the issues page on the wca website be done before. Edit: oh ok
I was there! 🇲🇽 2:31 im the kid with the green shirt, back in 2013 competitions in Mexico were a completely disaster, Perry Open was my second competition, I remember after that 4.41 solve the competition stopped like an hour in order to make sure it was a legit solve (it wasn't), after this, Mexico got banned from WCA comps for a year (maybe more) the Mexican delagate (I can't tell you hi was removed by the WCA) but he didn't longer hold any other competition, everybody got to take a picture with Martin that day, to this day, Mexican speedcubing community still debate if it was an misscrambled-lucky solve or if he prepared it beforehand without anyone watching...
@reedo9002 lol no. For a cube scramble that he knew the solution to. Although I like the idea of him trying to somehow Houdini from a unsolved cube to the solved cube in that 4 seconds
nice to hear that! I do find it quite stupid that some people would still be debating about it though, it's quite obviously fake by every standard (although maybe the information usually isn't presented as clearly as in this video)
None of this fiasco would have happened if they had a camera running and a judge sitting there (so a judge said) watching each competitor. This whole thing was a ruined because of careless running of the competition.
There is hard evidence that he cheated which just wasn't explained in the video for some reason. If you pause at 6:04 you can read it. The gist is that the solution he gave EXACTLY matches the optional solution outputted by a popular solution finding computer program except for some setup moves. And that's in addition to his solution being both impossible to find in 15 seconds and execute in 4.41 second (as mentioned).
@ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ-ζ7ζlol he actually did an effort to not talk about his opinion in the video and you say this KEKW And I think he should have lol, this is insanely blatant cheating but people who know nothing about cubing talk nonsense in the comments because of it
THGe cubes weerre exposed on the table. This DNF's the entier comp The litteral best scrabmlers in the world, can barly beat his time using his solve with 100 attempts He himself has never matched that time with the known scramble since showing he does not have the skill to make 35 moves in 4.4 seconds even when he KNOWS the soiltion and has had time to practice that exact soulotion With his avrage of 4-5 moves asecond, the likely hood his his actual solve was 20 moves 20/5=4 and he made up 15 moves using software after the event to make it more belivable But even that solve misses all aspects of common solving methods, meaning The facts He had access to the cubes pre 15 second time frame He did random shit with no classic method for the first 20 moves (something you don't do) He made a mistake by his own account (something that would ruin any legit reccord) Make an extra 2-3 moves a second from his avrage So yeah even if you ignore the a last 3. It still had to be disalowed due to the exposed cubes meaning the entire event was void.
it's like when everyone knows who did a certain crime but they simply don't have enough concrete evidence. there's a world in which he just made random moves and got a world record, but there isn't a world in which he's just that good, which is the purpose of the sport.
@Thiago-yj7dgthe term is “reasonable doubt” if there’s a significant chance that They didn’t do it benefit of the doubt needs to come into play there needs to be concrete evidence to convict someone of a crime for this very reason. If there’s a doubt they didn’t do it it’s better to be sure then convict someone of something that they didn’t do
@Dimitri_gdr En anglais, à l'oral, même si je comprends l'idée globale, je ne suis jamais sûre de tout bien comprendre. Pour moi le doublage en français est un vrai plus. Et je trouve ça bien plus agréable d'écouter une voix de doublage que de lire les sous-titres.
@kks_123-u1w yep, on a 3x3x3 mine is 45s - not official. I do have a cube mat with a timer. I like the bigger cubes though. My fastest time on a 9x9x9 is 35 minutes.
if you wanna be faster, you can learn intuitive f2l and intuitive cross. the beginners method doesnt really teach you how the cube works. with intuitive f2l and cross, you get to make your own simple algorithms to get pieces where you want em, and its not actually hard to learn at all(at least for me, it only took like a minute to understand both from a video).
My fastest time in the 80s was like 1:30. I was proud of that time. We didn't have the speed cubes like we have now. We did tricks to make it spin faster, but every once in awhile you would catch and edge. I got a speed cube and I can solve it in 45s now :) I love bigger cubes - only odd though. The even cubes have too many parity errors to deal with during reduction. My fastest time for my 9x9x9 right now is 35 minutes :)
The "scramble" was in dispute, either he knew what it was going to be (and found a perfect solution, memorised that to perfect execution) or he somehow scrambled it himself. That's the cheating part of it.
@tqsuited Well… that’s just what everyone thinks he did. There’s still no hard evidence to support it-just that it’s “very unlikely.” You know what else is very unlikely? Dying because a turtle fell on your head. Very unlikely, but it still happened.
@tqsuited seems to complicated to me. Unless someone can find a connection between the “cheater” and the officials that were there that day. This is a cool story tho. Neither side really has solid proof and its fun debating it
@U_R_A_internet_Warriorneither was there proof that he did it. I bet you don’t know much about cubing at a descent level because it would be so apparent that this wasn’t legit. No disrespect intended.
This was a good video. I didn’t even know about this but it popped up in my feed to watch so I did. I enjoyed so much, i subscribed. Look forward to more!
It was probably fake since idk how lucky you need to get to go from 17 sec to 4 seconds but it's still disturbing that he was banned without any proof what so ever. But just because they thought the solve was too perfect. It should be so that in competetions every solve is recorded at least temporarily now just so this doesn't happen. Both ways I mean, to make sure no one cheats and also to make sure someone's actual record doesn't get disqualified just because the people don't believe it lol.
The solution he said he used was not recognisable as any speedsolving method. I think 'too perfect' makes it sound like he just got lucky - instead his solve was literally not feasible for any human to come up with and execute at that speed. I averaged 16 seconds back when I solved, no chance I'd ever get close to pulling off a prepared solution in 4 seconds. I do think banning him was perhaps a little far given there was no concrete evidence, but there's no doubt in my mind he faked it, they made the right move disqualifying him.
@Blazik3n99what do you mean it wasn't recognizable? It was verified and the current world record holder even use to see if it was feasible and he was able to do it in 4.39 using his method there was even an official there when he did it and stated it as valid I think there was alot of bias in that judgment he was even able to give solve method that was validated multiple times! But to strip somebody of their record and ban them with no evidence (beside the ones being able to validate the authenticity) because of their feelings is BS!!!!
@swaggoutkid 3:40 in the video, the start of the solve is basically just nonsense moves that just so happens to end up with a single last layer algorithm. Kevin Hays, one of the most accomplished speedsolvers ever, took 100!! attempts to beat this time, there is absolutely zero chance this guy did that in his first try, on the spot, at an official event. I don't think there's a single person alive that could execute it that quickly on their first try, let alone on a 2013 cube. That's not even considering the insane, clearly computer generated solution. This isn't just some 'feelings', it's quite literally never ever ever going to happen. This guy could have easily proved himself as legit by just performing the solution again if he actually was legit. Also, these competitions are run by volunteers. Just because the delegate sitting at the table said it was legit, or the person representing the WCA at the event initially approved the solve, doesn't mean that decision must permanently stand. There are many cases of delegates or tournament organisers cheating by looking at scrambles ahead of time, it's very plausible that one of them could have been in on it. Even if no representative was involved at all, it could easily be that they were distracted or otherwise tricked - e.g. swapping the cube during inspection if the delegate wasn't paying attention.
Una locura que este vídeo sea producido en el extranjero sobre un caso mexicano y que tenga tal nivel de investigación y recopilación. Increíble. Por eso nos apasiona el cubo de rubik !
I know nothing about this, but I am familiar with other competitions similar this. Why does the WCA not require uninterrupted video evidence for any submission? Almost any cheating scandal in recent history starts with no video footage.
because of the sheer number of competitors at each competition and the amount of competitions that happen around the world weekly, it just wouldnt be feasable to record every solve that everyone did. especially nowadays - you often have *hundreds* of competitors all doing solves at once, and trying to enforce video evidence for all of them would be a nightmare
I knew about this but forgot. I don't understand, even back then, how someone above 3 years old can do something this dumb and pretend that no one notices
Why is there zero mention of the judge who signed off on the record? Why didn’t the committee go after that guy? Why weren’t all these questions posed to him?
The extent of my experience with the cube is learning how to solve it sub 1 minute like 12 years ago, yet I’ve been really invested with these videos you’ve been making. Nice job.
Oh its not, the footage of the actual event does not exist, i guess the footage in 1:24 is him showing off how he did after the supposed world record was done
I remember living through this. I still think fondly of my days cubing around this era, I think it was some of the most fun I've ever had in any hobby.
Very well done video. I watch a lot of Minecraft speedruns and can't help to notice similarities between this situation and certain cheaters in MC speedruns. Dream's runs were so unlikely to happen by chance that the mods took down his world records, and then it was eventually revealed that Dream's runs were modified. There are also Minecraft cheaters that scout seeds ahead of time and pretend to play the world as if it's their first time playing, but by knowing the route ahead of time, they do certain actions that a true blind runner wouldn't do like immediately going towards a structure instead of looking around for it first. Telesforo's solution just doesn't make sense for someone of his skillset especially "improvising" some turns.
this is like the 4 minute mile, except for the base is fake, and people actually stepped up to it anyways hard like they knew it was possible. It actually was in both cases... This is downright evil in my opinion but when you think of it like that, the fakes inspired great things (or so we think)...
Whats funny about the dream situation is the one who uncover dream modding is also another speedrun cheater, and whats funnier is he and dream probably wouldnt get caught if he didnt snitch in the first place since his method of cheating was similar.
I have no idea how to solve a Rubiks cube nor do I own one, but this video came up in my feed, was super interesting and informative to watch. Thanks for sharing this hidden gem with the world!
(Late Comment) I first heard about the shenanigans of Telesforo when Cube Master made a video on cube controversies, but I didn't know much else other than it happened. This video helps in understanding the scale of it more, so thanks for the explanation! (not that I'm saying that Cube Master's video was bad, in fact it was a really good video as well!) Also, seeing his solution really shows just how suspect his record was. Obligatory hate comment: I hate celery.
technically there is no proof but if you have a deeper understanding of how cubing works, its impossible for this to be real 1. his supposed "solution" was completely nonsensical and clearly generated by a computer, as it follows no logical method (no human on earth could find those moves in under 15 seconds without being able to turn the cube, no matter how skilled or genius they were) 2. someone his speed physically cannot make 35 moves that quickly (as said in the video, it took a world class solver 100+ attempts to do this with his "solution", let alone someone who normally gets times in the teens) I personally think that the most likely thing that happened was that his judge wasnt paying attention and he swapped out the scrambled cube for his own one which was only a few moves away from being solved, solved his own fake scramble in 4.41 seconds "legitimately", and then when he was asked to explain his solution on the _true_ scramble he got a computer to generate a solution for him which he tried to pass off as what he really did, when in reality there is a ZERO percent chance that he could have done that.
Its a combination of luck and mathematics. Theres a fairly simple equation(possibly mutliple?) to solve a rubix cube. If you guess whats on 3 of the sides that you cant see and just happen to get it right? the rest is just building hand dexterity which takes most ppl like 2 weeks, if that
@poindextertunes "If you guess whats on 3 of the sides that you cant see and just happen to get it right" Cubers aren't guessing anything, they can consistently get sub-5 solves.
@poindextertunes What? None of that is true. If you mean just "solve" it full stop than you need like a 15 minute youtube video, not 2 weeks of hand dexterity building. And if you mean break a world record with 2 weeks of training you're even further off. And whats the guessing whats on the other 3 sides bit? if you want to see whats on the other side of an object that you're holding there are more efficient ways.
'So good that it was fishy' feels like how we describe AI solutions to things. If it lacks any known technique AND requires unnatural skill, ya gotta look at the history.
@freddiesimmons1394 If the starting position in chess was random, you definitely could beat Magnus in single game if that initial position was lucky enough for you to maintain the advantage. You can get lucky in speedcubing, you can't get lucky in athletics or chess.
@MrMichalMalek lol the kind of luck you're talking about would be like shuffling a deck of cards and having them end up in order. No. Not happening. Cope.
@freddiesimmons1394 I know he cheated the record, don't worry. I'm just stating that single time records in speedcubing are extremely luck-dependant. After all that's why the results are sorted by the average of 5 with best and worst result dropped. In chess you always have the same starting position, in cubing you don't, no idea where your confusion comes from.
@JJ-ce8gzevidence of being legit? Why does he have to prove it's legit? If i got 100% on a test and u say i cheated, u need to be the one to prove that i cheated. Show me proof. If the burden of proving innocence is on the accused, i can just accuse anyone of anything
no, the real story is that Mexico had a long period of rigged competitions, if you were friend of the delegate or of the organizers, you would definitely get to see the scrambles or even repeat your solution. It was a total corrupted garbage. That day this guy took it to the extreme😂
@R7Tatsumakiiiiiwhat? Of course the burden of the proof lies on the achiever first lol. By your logic I can say I got the WR and you can't say I didn't because you have no proof of it
@Gabsol-u if the teacher accused u of cheating and failed u, whose burden is it to prove that u cheated? Are u telling me if i hate my classmate i can just accuse him of cheating and he needs to prove otherwise? Unless he proves he's not, he is a cheater because i say so. Let's use your logic and go deeper. Let's talk about law. Let's say someone accused u of rape. Is it your burden to prove u didnt rape anyone? But for the meantime everyone will say you're a rapist until you prove you're not.
I started solving a Rubik’s cube when I was 6. I’m now 35 and still working on the same cube.
You're determined, at least
lol
you haven't solved it in 29 years?
in removed the stickers and lined them up.
That's good. It means you didn't look up an algorithm. I think the vast majority of people just memorize algorithms to solve these puzzle rather than find the solution on their own.
I’m flattered that my algorithm thinks I’m smart enough to even understand what this video is talking about.
Exactly my thoughts for myself 😂
It ain't rocket science bro
@TECHNICALXGAMING might as well be to my dumbass tbh
@iMark256nah I actually taught my friends how to and they are the dumbest ppl I know
@Apupvdamn with friends like you who needs enemies lmao
Even the cube was confused about how it got solved so fast. The real speedrun for cheaters is how fast they’re about to get exposed.
Except he was never exposed.
Except there’s no evidence other than bitterness. Reminds me of chess players accusing Hans of cheating with anal beads vibrations
Can you prove he cheated?
He was never even exposed dumb dumb
This entire video is hearsay lmao y’all are getting too comfortable “exposing” people without any proof, I wish there lawsuits actually worked against some of you
His wording “I made a mistake and had to improvise” can be read as “I forgot the moves I had observed the scramblers doing and had to actually finish solving it myself”
Literally 🤦♂️
No, you missed the point. He's using the I made a mistake excuse to explain how he came up with the first few absurdly optimal moves that only a computer would be able to find. Because no human would ever start with the sequence he used, and experienced cubers know this, he needed a way to justify that move order. And so he said the bizarre opening was because he made a mistake.
In the video by JScuber, Telesforo says that the table had a crack and the cube fell there and got a little mixed up, so he improvised and tried to return the cube to where it was, which made the cube too easy to solve.
@iHeartCoolStuff "No human would ever start with the sequence he used" just seems like some hater stuff to say. If it can happen it will. This is the universal truth.
@ClaytonBaby So humans use specific algorithms to solve a rubiks cube in layers because it's intuitive and uses pattern recognition. Computers have the advantage of incredible computational power and can find a direct solution that takes less moves but doesn't adhere to any pattern. His sequence of moves is impossible for a human to "compute" and so unlikely to occur at random that's it is more than just sus.
"If it can happen it will" is absolutely not a universal truth. It's just not how probability works. There are 8.0658 × 10^67 ways to shuffle a deck of cards. Pick any sequence of cards. Now if you shuffled 100 decks of cards every second for a million years, the odds of any one ever hitting that sequence are 1 in 2.56 × 10^52 (that's a 1 with 52 zeros). Some things are just so unlikely that they will never ever ever happen. There isn't enough time in the entire span of universe's existence.
Dunno why this was recommended to me. I could spend the rest of my life solving a cube and bet i wont be able to
you genuinely might not solve it me also
there are algorithms/methods you can learn to solve it. Practice makes perfect.
Dangerously low standards freind ,
i suck at it
@RhynnMedia without looking anything up? Very plausible
You didn't mention it, but the theory from back in the day was that Martin had practiced a particular scramble. For his first solve, he put the self-scrambled cube down on the table and nobody noticed, then he solved it as practiced, and solves 2-5 were official scrambles. The 35 move solution he gave was made up (using cube explorer) to try to explain how he could have solved the official scramble so fast.
If he already knew the solution why would he need a program to lie about it.
@C3Rl3Because he solved it using a solution that he got from a program that wasn’t believable, but then claimed to have solved it with a solution that made more sense for a person.
@C3Rl3 He gave himself an easy scramble with a really fast, practiced solution (probably less than 20 moves), somehow swapped the real scramble with that fake one, then solved that fake one. If you didn't notice him swap the cubes, it looks like he just got a really fast time. Because it wasn't recorded, it couldn't easily be proven that he used the wrong scramble. People wanted to know how he solved it so quickly, so when he got home, he used a program to come up with a """reasonable""" solution to the official scramble to try and explain it. Even then, the solution he came up with was not consistent with any known method of solving and was extremely hard to execute quickly. Providing reconstructions for solves is extremely common practice and it would have been even more sus if he just refused to tell anyone what his solution was.
@C3Rl3 He didn't know a solution to the official scramble, only his own fake scramble. So when people asked how he solved the first scramble, he had to come up with something.
@C3Rl3 he couldn't mechanically perform the solution to the real scramble in 4.41 seconds so he needed multiple cheats.
Martin’s 4.41 was obviously fake. Nobody gets a jawline that sharp and WR single at the same time.
Bruh fr
Wahh
And beats WR single by over a second, you forgot that part
his nickname is the el feo
fire comment🔥
This is a guy winning the f1 championship then sideswiping 8 cars on the way home.
Lewis Hamilton, 7x F1 champ, crashed his car near his home.
That’s like the woman NASCAR driver I think, and I saw in an interview where she said she has been in a lot of accidents on the road lol. So it’s possible 😂
@Akooks bcuz shes a WOMAN! Am I right fellas?!?!?! 😒😑
@snap937 That relatable tho. Lots of distractions driving in public as opposed to a road course. Hell I’d say him driving mainly in races makes him more susceptible to crashing on public roads. The amount of concentration it takes to drive F-1 is almost super human.
Heres an okay comparison. I play guitar, at one point really well, and then Guitar Hero came out and I sucked at that game. Meanwhile the kids that were murdering high scores in Guitar Hero, couldn’t even play a power chord on a real guitar. Lewis Hamilton went from playing a “real guitar” to Guitar Hero. They’re kinda the same thing but he was still out of his element
@snap937to be fair Hamiltons championships were more rigged and cheated then this cube solve
bros record is older than YiHeng 💀💀
Bros bro’ing is bro
Wtf did I do
@Da_Rizzley_Bear My friend, you caused a bunch of Gen Z's to jump on a bandwagon by using the word "bro"
@patrollingthemojavealmostm2698 I” have become death destroyer of worlds” - Bro 2025
what did dave say
For people who don’t know how to solve a cube, I can give you an analogy of the situation. Solving a cube requires looking for patterns that lead to more patterns after using algorithms. You’re not just taking a direct path straight to a solved cube using the perfect chain of moves. This would be the same as somebody looking for a treasure chest with hints vs somebody looking for a treasure chest with the exact specific location given to them. If you had hints you would wander around a bit but still eventually make it to the buried treasure. With a direct location, you could walk in a straight “perfect” line directly to the buried chest location. This guy essentially did that but with a cube. A “perfect” line straight to the cube solution that made no logical sense unless he knew the scramble before hand
Thank you soo much, now i understand.
Okay except you’re very wrong all it takes is one person with the same memorization skills as chess players and then they know every perfect move because they’ve solved that scramble before, I swear this loser community doesn’t even know what memorization is and how NO ONE SOLVES A CUBE LIKE HOW YOU MENTIONED IN COMPETITION
So you weirdos would call anyone with great memory or ohotographic a cheater then? Because they would always follow the “perfect line”
@david-468 do you know there are 43 quintillion ways a Rubik’s cube can be scrambled and even more ways it can be solved? The chance that you’ve seen a cube scrambled the exact same way is quite literally classified as statistically improbable (not impossible). Not to mention even if you were lucky enough to get a cube scramble you have already seen. What’s the chance you remember it? You solved a cube once in this specific way years ago after thousands of solves as a speed cuber and you just happen to remember not only the exact 1/43 quintillion scramble but also remember the EXACT way you solved it? You aren’t making any sense and have never been to cubing competitions
@david-468 that’s the point I’m trying to make. Photographic memory doesn’t help with solving a Rubik’s cube in any capacity unless you watched the person scramble the cube (which is against the rules at cubing competitions). Would photographic memory help Steph curry in a basketball game? How would he know exactly what each and every opponent is going to do exactly when he’s going to do it? He can study the players playstyles but that’s as far as it goes. Solving a cube is the same. You’re taking in NEW information when you see the cube for the first time and reacting to the new patterns the cube creates as you’re solving it. So I don’t see how photographic memory is even a topic of discussion here. You fundamentally don’t understand how a cube is solved and that’s fine
Even if Telesforo's 4.41 was genuine, the scrambled cubes being unconcealed is enough justification to invalidate the whole competition and WR. No matter how people try to spin it, the WR was always illegitimate.
True but that is their fault, if they really felt that way they shouldn't have banned him for two years because no doubt there were other that would have used that to cheat that they didn't ban. Baning him and only him was just ass covering because they had no idea if he really did cheat or how he did.
Y’all losers are so weird, every white/western competition does it the same exact way, and you weirdos glorify children who simply memorized most of the scrambles and have nothing else in that brain of there’s, all you need is a good memory and you literally never have to “solve” a Rubik’s cube again
they literally invalidated his record bc it was "too perfect" , wca and people like you are just some haters
@cache001 they’re worse then that they’re so simple minded they believe you can’t memorize certain moves for certain positions like in chess, even if there is “infinite” amount of possible moves the high tier players still know what the best moves are
@lordtelionThe WCA invalidated all results of the competition and also banned the delegate running that competition. Martin Telesforo was the most blatant case of abusing the conditions of the competition and continue to lie to the WCA and the speedcubing community about his solve.
I have to say, I’m so glad this came up in my recommended videos, I love learning about a new subculture I had no idea existed :)
Same for me. I think it was in my feed because I watched videos exposing fake speed runs by that absolute legend, Karl Jobst.
@ as a Karl Jobst enjoyer myself this is a good theory!
@OreoShiChiI think that this is the same reason this video randomly popped on my feed as well!
Same 😂
Same here
Technically the exposed scrambling table is enought to DNF every single result on the competition acording to the regulations, and I believe I saw it somewhere in the issues page on the wca website be done before.
Edit: oh ok
I was there! 🇲🇽 2:31 im the kid with the green shirt, back in 2013 competitions in Mexico were a completely disaster, Perry Open was my second competition, I remember after that 4.41 solve the competition stopped like an hour in order to make sure it was a legit solve (it wasn't), after this, Mexico got banned from WCA comps for a year (maybe more) the Mexican delagate (I can't tell you hi was removed by the WCA) but he didn't longer hold any other competition, everybody got to take a picture with Martin that day, to this day, Mexican speedcubing community still debate if it was an misscrambled-lucky solve or if he prepared it beforehand without anyone watching...
fascinating, thanks for sharing!
So.... People speculate that he swapped the cube out for a solved one? Where are you from in Mexico? My family is from Tepatitlan, Jalisco.
@reedo9002 lol no. For a cube scramble that he knew the solution to. Although I like the idea of him trying to somehow Houdini from a unsolved cube to the solved cube in that 4 seconds
Stop pretending and giving excuses. He didn’t do it. Banned for a reason. Country full of cheats and murderers
nice to hear that! I do find it quite stupid that some people would still be debating about it though, it's quite obviously fake by every standard (although maybe the information usually isn't presented as clearly as in this video)
None of this fiasco would have happened if they had a camera running and a judge sitting there (so a judge said) watching each competitor. This whole thing was a ruined because of careless running of the competition.
Completely agree
Agreed
There is hard evidence that he cheated which just wasn't explained in the video for some reason. If you pause at 6:04 you can read it. The gist is that the solution he gave EXACTLY matches the optional solution outputted by a popular solution finding computer program except for some setup moves. And that's in addition to his solution being both impossible to find in 15 seconds and execute in 4.41 second (as mentioned).
Failed fist bump 7:20
5:32 it shouldve been 14.41 but the 1 broke
i feel like i wasted 9 mins of my life just to hear at the end that it is still unsure he cheated or not
Further this big RUclipsr with his platform is actually turning someone's reputation without evidence either way
Saved a few mins of my life, thanks
i almost finished the video when i read this
Ngl I felt super disappointed after watching the video
Bro is talking about how the dude cheated while using a disinformative clickbait title
@ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ-ζ7ζlol he actually did an effort to not talk about his opinion in the video and you say this KEKW
And I think he should have lol, this is insanely blatant cheating but people who know nothing about cubing talk nonsense in the comments because of it
The heck. The only thing i got from watching this is theres no evidence whatsoever to dispute his record, and those people seems really bitter
Haha was thinking the same thing. I am trying to look in the comments for someone to fully explain how he cheated.
It was definetely a practiced scramble
THGe cubes weerre exposed on the table. This DNF's the entier comp
The litteral best scrabmlers in the world, can barly beat his time using his solve with 100 attempts
He himself has never matched that time with the known scramble since showing he does not have the skill to make 35 moves in 4.4 seconds even when he KNOWS the soiltion and has had time to practice that exact soulotion
With his avrage of 4-5 moves asecond, the likely hood his his actual solve was 20 moves 20/5=4 and he made up 15 moves using software after the event to make it more belivable
But even that solve misses all aspects of common solving methods, meaning
The facts
He had access to the cubes pre 15 second time frame
He did random shit with no classic method for the first 20 moves (something you don't do)
He made a mistake by his own account (something that would ruin any legit reccord)
Make an extra 2-3 moves a second from his avrage
So yeah even if you ignore the a last 3. It still had to be disalowed due to the exposed cubes meaning the entire event was void.
it's like when everyone knows who did a certain crime but they simply don't have enough concrete evidence. there's a world in which he just made random moves and got a world record, but there isn't a world in which he's just that good, which is the purpose of the sport.
@Thiago-yj7dgthe term is “reasonable doubt” if there’s a significant chance that They didn’t do it benefit of the doubt needs to come into play there needs to be concrete evidence to convict someone of a crime for this very reason. If there’s a doubt they didn’t do it it’s better to be sure then convict someone of something that they didn’t do
As soon as the month of march comes stucube hits us with a banger.
What am I doing here? My cube lies unsolved in the attic for the least 28 years. Nice video, though!
Me too 😂
I can’t believe I waited 57 seconds to watch this 😔
57 seconds? They hid it for 51 minutes.
52 min here!
2 hrs here
@wasiplayseverythingsame
@jactheone8539the fact I’m watching the vid while you commented
Thanks for the audio track in several languages! I listened to this video in French 😊
That’s actually so cool RUclips does that now. Awesome
The AI voice is so bad 😂
You don’t prefer english ? As a french person I prefer listening to english 1000x more than listening to AI french
@Dimitri_gdrc pas si mal que ça mais chuis d’accord
@Dimitri_gdr En anglais, à l'oral, même si je comprends l'idée globale, je ne suis jamais sûre de tout bien comprendre. Pour moi le doublage en français est un vrai plus. Et je trouve ça bien plus agréable d'écouter une voix de doublage que de lire les sous-titres.
@Dimitri_gdr Réel...
his jawline was so sharp it scared the WCA from making their decision earlier.
everyone wakes up when the new stu drops
Telesforo's jawline was so sharp it cut off my grandpa's life support🗿🗿
Mine Too
this is easily my favorite part of each month
I'm happy that I can still solve a cube, even though it takes me minutes rather than seconds.
Same here. My best was 48 seconds or so. Not an official thing.
@kks_123-u1w yep, on a 3x3x3 mine is 45s - not official. I do have a cube mat with a timer. I like the bigger cubes though. My fastest time on a 9x9x9 is 35 minutes.
if you wanna be faster, you can learn intuitive f2l and intuitive cross.
the beginners method doesnt really teach you how the cube works.
with intuitive f2l and cross, you get to make your own simple algorithms to get pieces where you want em, and its not actually hard to learn at all(at least for me, it only took like a minute to understand both from a video).
This and “the man who tried to fake an element” are my two favorite videos on youtube
My fastest time in the 80s was like 1:30. I was proud of that time. We didn't have the speed cubes like we have now. We did tricks to make it spin faster, but every once in awhile you would catch and edge. I got a speed cube and I can solve it in 45s now :) I love bigger cubes - only odd though. The even cubes have too many parity errors to deal with during reduction. My fastest time for my 9x9x9 right now is 35 minutes :)
Yeah, nowadays they got special cube lube
Thats crazy my fastest time as a kid was like half a second
I too love to edge cubes with lube
What's your name so I can check the record, so cool!@JerdMcLean
@JerdMcLeanwhen was this? that's so cool!! 😃
Glad you shared this interesting story! I had not heard of it before.
I feel like Matthew Mayernik stopped doing video essays on cubing history so now the torch is passed on to you! I'm all for it
The Rubik's cube taught me as a young boy that i really have no patience for such things.
The only thing keeping me from holding the 2 beers, 2 cigarettes, 2 rubix cube world record is knowing how to solve a rubix cube
I’m only a few minutes in the video, if he says that a child is faster than me I’m gonna crash out.
NOOOOOO, HE SAID ITTT, NOOOO
I don’t know how to solve cube at all but “damn that’s crazy”
this is the first cubing video i've ever seen and had to sub due to how well made this video was. very nice job
The video pic though. . . I thought for a second he was gonna talk about Ryan from Ryan's Toy Review channel. 😂😂
Oh boi, when the LEMMINO Cicada music kicked in, it was officially a good investigation video!
Very well made video, really enjoyed watching it!!!
so how did he fake it? The video doesn't explain that.
The "scramble" was in dispute, either he knew what it was going to be (and found a perfect solution, memorised that to perfect execution) or he somehow scrambled it himself. That's the cheating part of it.
@tqsuited Well… that’s just what everyone thinks he did. There’s still no hard evidence to support it-just that it’s “very unlikely.”
You know what else is very unlikely? Dying because a turtle fell on your head. Very unlikely, but it still happened.
@tqsuitedThat’s just speculation. The video never confirmed he cheated.
@tqsuited seems to complicated to me. Unless someone can find a connection between the “cheater” and the officials that were there that day. This is a cool story tho. Neither side really has solid proof and its fun debating it
@U_R_A_internet_Warriorneither was there proof that he did it. I bet you don’t know much about cubing at a descent level because it would be so apparent that this wasn’t legit. No disrespect intended.
This was a good video. I didn’t even know about this but it popped up in my feed to watch so I did. I enjoyed so much, i subscribed. Look forward to more!
I bought a cube before a deployment, it stayed over there
I adore that "getting lucky is not a crime" is a meme now, its so good.
It was probably fake since idk how lucky you need to get to go from 17 sec to 4 seconds but it's still disturbing that he was banned without any proof what so ever. But just because they thought the solve was too perfect.
It should be so that in competetions every solve is recorded at least temporarily now just so this doesn't happen. Both ways I mean, to make sure no one cheats and also to make sure someone's actual record doesn't get disqualified just because the people don't believe it lol.
Yep, it's 2025, it should require a world-class technology (a camera) to certify world record.
The solution he said he used was not recognisable as any speedsolving method. I think 'too perfect' makes it sound like he just got lucky - instead his solve was literally not feasible for any human to come up with and execute at that speed. I averaged 16 seconds back when I solved, no chance I'd ever get close to pulling off a prepared solution in 4 seconds.
I do think banning him was perhaps a little far given there was no concrete evidence, but there's no doubt in my mind he faked it, they made the right move disqualifying him.
I thought whoever banned him had a thing out for Hispanics
@Blazik3n99what do you mean it wasn't recognizable? It was verified and the current world record holder even use to see if it was feasible and he was able to do it in 4.39 using his method there was even an official there when he did it and stated it as valid I think there was alot of bias in that judgment he was even able to give solve method that was validated multiple times! But to strip somebody of their record and ban them with no evidence (beside the ones being able to validate the authenticity) because of their feelings is BS!!!!
@swaggoutkid 3:40 in the video, the start of the solve is basically just nonsense moves that just so happens to end up with a single last layer algorithm. Kevin Hays, one of the most accomplished speedsolvers ever, took 100!! attempts to beat this time, there is absolutely zero chance this guy did that in his first try, on the spot, at an official event. I don't think there's a single person alive that could execute it that quickly on their first try, let alone on a 2013 cube. That's not even considering the insane, clearly computer generated solution. This isn't just some 'feelings', it's quite literally never ever ever going to happen. This guy could have easily proved himself as legit by just performing the solution again if he actually was legit.
Also, these competitions are run by volunteers. Just because the delegate sitting at the table said it was legit, or the person representing the WCA at the event initially approved the solve, doesn't mean that decision must permanently stand. There are many cases of delegates or tournament organisers cheating by looking at scrambles ahead of time, it's very plausible that one of them could have been in on it. Even if no representative was involved at all, it could easily be that they were distracted or otherwise tricked - e.g. swapping the cube during inspection if the delegate wasn't paying attention.
I got a Rubik’s cube in 2006 and still haven’t solved. Someone beat that record
I don't know why, but people getting caught cheating in any sport or competition is extremely interesting to me. I love it all.
I can’t be the only one who wasn’t expecting “hello you absolute legends”
i’ve picked up a rubik’s cube once in my entire life and yet this was by far the most entertaining video i’ve watched all month.
Bro your videos are amazing with all the info and explanations of the solves keep up the great work
and no I am not related to the guy who faked the Wr
3:44 This is the part where everyone is hype that their method got a shoutout (APB my beloved)
Uhhhhh not mine (waterman) 😂😂😂
@ unlucky
8:22 why you bully me 😭😭😂
VERY interesting how many people were there but yet no one has actual video of it
Una locura que este vídeo sea producido en el extranjero sobre un caso mexicano y que tenga tal nivel de investigación y recopilación. Increíble. Por eso nos apasiona el cubo de rubik !
I know nothing about this, but I am familiar with other competitions similar this. Why does the WCA not require uninterrupted video evidence for any submission? Almost any cheating scandal in recent history starts with no video footage.
because of the sheer number of competitors at each competition and the amount of competitions that happen around the world weekly, it just wouldnt be feasable to record every solve that everyone did. especially nowadays - you often have *hundreds* of competitors all doing solves at once, and trying to enforce video evidence for all of them would be a nightmare
Your art is good! Well done!
I don't know how to feel that I found this really interesting
I just found notvixios in a rubix cube video 😭 this guy is everywhere
"building a giant Rubik's cube in Minecraft hardcore" rah
nerd drama is still drama. thats why pro wrestling still exists 😂
If you like this you should check out this other puzzling game called chess, absolutely thrilling that.
@SRD578MC you're already here yet you don't know the spelling
I knew about this but forgot. I don't understand, even back then, how someone above 3 years old can do something this dumb and pretend that no one notices
Amazingly well produced video!
Ive never solved a cube without switching the stickers, but youre a likable guy so im subscribing
Why is there zero mention of the judge who signed off on the record? Why didn’t the committee go after that guy? Why weren’t all these questions posed to him?
The extent of my experience with the cube is learning how to solve it sub 1 minute like 12 years ago, yet I’ve been really invested with these videos you’ve been making. Nice job.
Thanks for uploading
Very well explained, great vid!
1:24 how can he say “world record” when he’s still solving it and it very obviously isn’t done??
Oh its not, the footage of the actual event does not exist, i guess the footage in 1:24 is him showing off how he did after the supposed world record was done
I remember living through this. I still think fondly of my days cubing around this era, I think it was some of the most fun I've ever had in any hobby.
This is easily the weirdest and yet most fascinating rabbit hole RUclips has sent me on.
This confrims that i'll watch literally everything recommended to me..I have never even solved a cube
Mexican community metioned🦅🦅🦅. Wtf is having more than 5 delegates🗣️🗣️🗣️
For what it's always known:
Being dirty cheats 😂😂😂😂
@LathropLdSTThat’s pretty racist.
@KAUSTUBHMOHAPATRA Mexico is a country not a race.
@JahrodMWhat does that have to do with it being racist or am I missing something.
@JahrodM You’re right. Mexico isn’t a race. Mexican is.
2:22 Radomil just got a sub 20-move mean!
Poland mentioned
Polska gurrom
New subscribers here. love your videos. Very informative and professionally done. Congratulations!
Idc about Rubin cube’s, but I’ll watch this.
How dare youtube hide this from me for 8 hours
So, the evidence was "nah, you solved it too fast" wtf kind of joke is that
Very well done video. I watch a lot of Minecraft speedruns and can't help to notice similarities between this situation and certain cheaters in MC speedruns. Dream's runs were so unlikely to happen by chance that the mods took down his world records, and then it was eventually revealed that Dream's runs were modified. There are also Minecraft cheaters that scout seeds ahead of time and pretend to play the world as if it's their first time playing, but by knowing the route ahead of time, they do certain actions that a true blind runner wouldn't do like immediately going towards a structure instead of looking around for it first. Telesforo's solution just doesn't make sense for someone of his skillset especially "improvising" some turns.
this is like the 4 minute mile, except for the base is fake, and people actually stepped up to it anyways hard like they knew it was possible. It actually was in both cases...
This is downright evil in my opinion but when you think of it like that, the fakes inspired great things (or so we think)...
Whats funny about the dream situation is the one who uncover dream modding is also another speedrun cheater, and whats funnier is he and dream probably wouldnt get caught if he didnt snitch in the first place since his method of cheating was similar.
@yuugael4010Minecravenger cheating was a crazy plot twist.
I reckon he pointed to the sky and yelled 'omg what is that' and just swapped out a solved cube.
I have no idea how to solve a Rubiks cube nor do I own one, but this video came up in my feed, was super interesting and informative to watch. Thanks for sharing this hidden gem with the world!
(Late Comment)
I first heard about the shenanigans of Telesforo when Cube Master made a video on cube controversies, but I didn't know much else other than it happened. This video helps in understanding the scale of it more, so thanks for the explanation! (not that I'm saying that Cube Master's video was bad, in fact it was a really good video as well!) Also, seeing his solution really shows just how suspect his record was.
Obligatory hate comment: I hate celery.
0:44 what website is that, where you can see rankings above the top 100?
@BananaJosh_173 Really? Where on the WCA?
Ranking website 😂
@nalesnikizeszpinakiem9877 Whats the name of the website?
cubing china’s rankings
Below?
7:00 This music takes me back to that one Cicada video
yes, this music gave me goosebumps
just lemmion
A hood classic
The level of competition and the fact Rubix cube gotten rhis in depth and big is amazing.
Telesforo: "Rubik's Cube speaks for itself." *walks away*
1:03 in and im already getting two adds. This shit is crazy.
Typical. Even with premium I’ll get a dumb ass I video ad
I never heard this story after cubing for 10 years, shoutout to you for telling such a story.
i got a new phone case
What color?
@ black but the back is clear
thats great
@ thank you
@ sounds really cool, i recently got a new one as well, its blue with textured specks of other colors, a little controversial in my family lol.
Great video man. the 2x2 cube at the outro looks rlly nice aswell
Your videos are so cool! They made me love cubing.
Wait so there’s no definitive proof that he faked it? Just a high probability that he did?
technically there is no proof but if you have a deeper understanding of how cubing works, its impossible for this to be real
1. his supposed "solution" was completely nonsensical and clearly generated by a computer, as it follows no logical method (no human on earth could find those moves in under 15 seconds without being able to turn the cube, no matter how skilled or genius they were)
2. someone his speed physically cannot make 35 moves that quickly (as said in the video, it took a world class solver 100+ attempts to do this with his "solution", let alone someone who normally gets times in the teens)
I personally think that the most likely thing that happened was that his judge wasnt paying attention and he swapped out the scrambled cube for his own one which was only a few moves away from being solved, solved his own fake scramble in 4.41 seconds "legitimately", and then when he was asked to explain his solution on the _true_ scramble he got a computer to generate a solution for him which he tried to pass off as what he really did, when in reality there is a ZERO percent chance that he could have done that.
I just broke the wr with a 1.4 sec 84 move solve as a 45 sec average. Please comfirm
I still don’t get how people can solve these so fast
Its a combination of luck and mathematics. Theres a fairly simple equation(possibly mutliple?) to solve a rubix cube. If you guess whats on 3 of the sides that you cant see and just happen to get it right? the rest is just building hand dexterity which takes most ppl like 2 weeks, if that
@poindextertunes "If you guess whats on 3 of the sides that you cant see and just happen to get it right"
Cubers aren't guessing anything, they can consistently get sub-5 solves.
@poindextertunes What? None of that is true. If you mean just "solve" it full stop than you need like a 15 minute youtube video, not 2 weeks of hand dexterity building. And if you mean break a world record with 2 weeks of training you're even further off. And whats the guessing whats on the other 3 sides bit? if you want to see whats on the other side of an object that you're holding there are more efficient ways.
“getting lucky is not a crime” jidiwi reference i luv it
Omg, after the competition, dude turned into Pedro!
'So good that it was fishy' feels like how we describe AI solutions to things.
If it lacks any known technique AND requires unnatural skill, ya gotta look at the history.
Man, it took me like a year to solve my Rubik's cube, and by "solve" I mean I peeled the stickers off and replaced them.
His margin of improvement alone is a massive red flag.
It’s akin to running 100m in 7.5 seconds, or beating the mens marathon WR by 25 minutes 😂😂
Except you cant, by luck, all the sudden have olympic level athletic abilities. Twisting a cube is a lot different than that, no?
@poindextertunes fine
Itd be like being an absolute nobody and beating Magnus at chess
@freddiesimmons1394 If the starting position in chess was random, you definitely could beat Magnus in single game if that initial position was lucky enough for you to maintain the advantage.
You can get lucky in speedcubing, you can't get lucky in athletics or chess.
@MrMichalMalek lol the kind of luck you're talking about would be like shuffling a deck of cards and having them end up in order. No. Not happening. Cope.
@freddiesimmons1394 I know he cheated the record, don't worry. I'm just stating that single time records in speedcubing are extremely luck-dependant. After all that's why the results are sorted by the average of 5 with best and worst result dropped.
In chess you always have the same starting position, in cubing you don't, no idea where your confusion comes from.
I watched this entire video and I have no idea what I'm doing with my life
The editing on these videos is top tier my guy 🔥 keep it up!
Why is RUclips hiding this from me for 11 hours. I hate the RUclips algorithm
Don't let it hear you say that. Erase your comment IMMEDIATELY
What's sad is the only proof they had was the solve was too perfect. He wasn't caught, no evidence of a software. Just because it was too perfect.
@JJ-ce8gzevidence of being legit? Why does he have to prove it's legit? If i got 100% on a test and u say i cheated, u need to be the one to prove that i cheated. Show me proof.
If the burden of proving innocence is on the accused, i can just accuse anyone of anything
@JJ-ce8gzyou cannot even prove he cheated. You think he cheated because you think he had the chance, a small window.
no, the real story is that Mexico had a long period of rigged competitions, if you were friend of the delegate or of the organizers, you would definitely get to see the scrambles or even repeat your solution. It was a total corrupted garbage. That day this guy took it to the extreme😂
@R7Tatsumakiiiiiwhat? Of course the burden of the proof lies on the achiever first lol. By your logic I can say I got the WR and you can't say I didn't because you have no proof of it
@Gabsol-u if the teacher accused u of cheating and failed u, whose burden is it to prove that u cheated? Are u telling me if i hate my classmate i can just accuse him of cheating and he needs to prove otherwise? Unless he proves he's not, he is a cheater because i say so.
Let's use your logic and go deeper. Let's talk about law. Let's say someone accused u of rape. Is it your burden to prove u didnt rape anyone? But for the meantime everyone will say you're a rapist until you prove you're not.