As someone who lives in the region, I want to put out there that the Dragon's Tail is only the "most famous" road. There are others that I find more intense. Some of which I will keep to myself but an honorable mention goes to Blood Mountain. It has less turns overall but its turns are more intense.
You have a geometry problem for these turns. Raised the suspension 1mm behind the screw that is down where the scissor joins. That is, increase the length of the suspension a little.. 1mm only.. And the reason is that the road corners are closed and your bike is set geometrically from the factory more for the track..
Are you talking about lengthening the rear shock by 1mm. I just changed the rear spring to stiffer for my weight and I am letting the spring settle some before correcting the sag. I also went back down to stock gearing on rear sprocket which will lengthen the wheelbase by 6mm so next ride i plan on dialing in the preload front and rear to equalize front and rear.
@@BigEbikesports Your sag has nothing to do with the geometry, of course the fact that you changed it, I believe, would be after checking and measurements and maybe it was needed. if the rear did a squat when you open the gas, this affects the open turns with a large gas flow and this is corrected with the degrees on the scissor. The fact that you increased the bike's wheelbase by 6mm just made it even more difficult to turn.. You just wanted a small fix to make it faster in tight turns. Just what I've seen in the video is that you close the throttle in the middle of the corner and open up hard when you come out on the straight. That looks like tall geometry to me.. On the road you want neutral steering. On the track maybe a higher geometry will help. Now you will have even more problems I think. When you drive with the new changes I would like if you could inform me of your impressions. Thanks! Maybe I am wrong from the video but you will tell us better when you drive her how you will feel
@@kriskarkinos Geometry wasn't changed but rear spring was changed for a higher rate since I am 270 lbs. Sag does affect geometry since 1.7 turns on the fork preload equals to 1mm rise in the front which is your geometry, doing the rear preload will raise or lower the rear in turn affects geometry. The bike only has 400 miles so I wanted to ride the bike with higher rate rear spring and get a feel for what needs dialed in and also gearing/Sprocket changes for where I am riding etc. Next ride I plan on working on geometry, sag, and suspension valving settings. As you know when changing things, you have to ride it to see how the bike responds and what changes must be made. I will let you know as I go along to the changes I made. Appreciate your advice too and thanks for the interest, watching!
@@BigEbikesports The preload does not affect the geometry just the spring needs more kilos to go down. As a result you think it improved the geometry but you lose in the travel of the suspension.. It is a combination and one affects the other. Anyway, I think you already know what you want and it is right and good to try combinations until you find the perfect setting..
We could talk for days about each point how and why it affects the motorcycle.. It is probably the largest chapter of the posts on the motorcycle topic.. But it is the most basic. Even from the tires..
JR has only been riding street. He just bought a newer dirt bike right before he went with us on that last dirt bike ride. He and I have known each other going back 2 decades on the Dragon.
My bike is actually geared down some. Yea the power is definitely overkill for this road. I have a 2023 MT09SP that I really like riding more on the TOTD. JR is insane on his Supermoto 701.
Just wanted to say that I am a harley rider and I hate when guys do that shit… I’m like Bro we fuel injected now stop acting like your carburetor needs to burn in.
As someone who lives in the region, I want to put out there that the Dragon's Tail is only the "most famous" road. There are others that I find more intense. Some of which I will keep to myself but an honorable mention goes to Blood Mountain. It has less turns overall but its turns are more intense.
Shhhhhhhh 🤫
What else bro please
Ditto, but we don’t share those roads. 😉
Nice run enjoyed watching. Full control and nothing to crazy.
Dragon looks empty, lucky you.
Nice to see a calm relaxing run.
Thanks for watching! I am too old to prove anything to anyone lol
I'll be down there riding the 26-28. Hope to see you!
I am off that weekend so weather permitting I should be riding! Just wave me down if you see me!
Hope I make it this fall 🍁
Be my first time
You have a very awesome Ducati
Just be safe and ride your on ride, thank you but its an Aprilia RSV4, still Italian made tho lol
Nice run 👍
Thank you sir! Hopetully we all can make a pass together soon!
You have a geometry problem for these turns. Raised the suspension 1mm behind the screw that is down where the scissor joins. That is, increase the length of the suspension a little.. 1mm only.. And the reason is that the road corners are closed and your bike is set geometrically from the factory more for the track..
Are you talking about lengthening the rear shock by 1mm. I just changed the rear spring to stiffer for my weight and I am letting the spring settle some before correcting the sag. I also went back down to stock gearing on rear sprocket which will lengthen the wheelbase by 6mm so next ride i plan on dialing in the preload front and rear to equalize front and rear.
@@BigEbikesports Your sag has nothing to do with the geometry, of course the fact that you changed it, I believe, would be after checking and measurements and maybe it was needed. if the rear did a squat when you open the gas, this affects the open turns with a large gas flow and this is corrected with the degrees on the scissor. The fact that you increased the bike's wheelbase by 6mm just made it even more difficult to turn.. You just wanted a small fix to make it faster in tight turns. Just what I've seen in the video is that you close the throttle in the middle of the corner and open up hard when you come out on the straight. That looks like tall geometry to me.. On the road you want neutral steering. On the track maybe a higher geometry will help. Now you will have even more problems I think. When you drive with the new changes I would like if you could inform me of your impressions. Thanks! Maybe I am wrong from the video but you will tell us better when you drive her how you will feel
@@kriskarkinos Geometry wasn't changed but rear spring was changed for a higher rate since I am 270 lbs. Sag does affect geometry since 1.7 turns on the fork preload equals to 1mm rise in the front which is your geometry, doing the rear preload will raise or lower the rear in turn affects geometry. The bike only has 400 miles so I wanted to ride the bike with higher rate rear spring and get a feel for what needs dialed in and also gearing/Sprocket changes for where I am riding etc. Next ride I plan on working on geometry, sag, and suspension valving settings. As you know when changing things, you have to ride it to see how the bike responds and what changes must be made. I will let you know as I go along to the changes I made. Appreciate your advice too and thanks for the interest, watching!
@@BigEbikesports The preload does not affect the geometry just the spring needs more kilos to go down. As a result you think it improved the geometry but you lose in the travel of the suspension.. It is a combination and one affects the other. Anyway, I think you already know what you want and it is right and good to try combinations until you find the perfect setting..
We could talk for days about each point how and why it affects the motorcycle.. It is probably the largest chapter of the posts on the motorcycle topic.. But it is the most basic. Even from the tires..
Hey Big E. Let me know next time you go ride the dirt. I'll ride my big girl.
You need to get a regular dirt bike to go ride where we ride, that big girl too heavy bro lol
Why ain't you ever introduced me to jr?
JR has only been riding street. He just bought a newer dirt bike right before he went with us on that last dirt bike ride. He and I have known each other going back 2 decades on the Dragon.
@BigEbikesports i haven't only Ridden street, i ride dirt also, just no where as much as I ride street..
The last of us..:)
with this low rpm you use only 25% Power of the bike. Try a Supermoto in this slow corner track :)
antprilla kills it on a husky 701
You should use 1st gear in most corners
My bike is actually geared down some. Yea the power is definitely overkill for this road. I have a 2023 MT09SP that I really like riding more on the TOTD. JR is insane on his Supermoto 701.
@@796andy2 Yes he does, well he kills it on anything really lol
@@Cibocino bike is -1/+1 on gearing so 1st would be too much in the revs to lean'er over.
Just wanted to say that I am a harley rider and I hate when guys do that shit… I’m like Bro we fuel injected now stop acting like your carburetor needs to burn in.