I'm a PLPC and I know several clients who find reprieve in their music of choice, whether it be "rock & roll" or other types of high tempo music. I wouldn't immediately dismiss nor tell a client to stop listening to music that is making them happy & often times helps them to cope through the music versus making dangerous choices had they not been listening to that type of music that brings them peace, solace, & a great deal of understanding. I understand that you are trying to rid the client of stressful media that could trigger a manic episode, but I don't think that music would be the main thing to blame. Full disclosure, I am bipolar & when I was going through rough times, due to my illness, before I found the proper medication regime for myself, I dealt with my issues through listening to hardcore metal music & punk rock. It may sound like chaos & noise to the untrained ear, but it assisted me in being able to have a vicarious release of stress without having to move around or trigger a manic episode at all. It actually inspired me to write down my feelings in a poetic format which lead to journaling later on. I think it would be better proposed on a case by case basis. Just a suggestion.
Just diagnosed. I'm fearful of lamotrigine. I had been on a cocktail of anti depressants for more than 30 years before I discovered that I WASN'T depressed, (dysthymia), but instead have BPD, am OCD & ADHD, and suffer from PTSD (child of holocaust survivors). I eliminated all the meds I'd been placed on, using Prozac (20mg) to finally and safely eliminate the Cymbalta without the nasty withdrawal symptoms. On top of all of that, I'm also now off all my former health medicines because i drastically changed my WOL (am now a carnivore). No diabetes, no inflammation, no cravings, and weight loss to boot! I've never felt better so imagine my surprise when I thought to myself recently, "Hmm, I'm feeling manic." Can't sit still. Spending money. Don't want to and can't sleep. Thank heavens for both CBT and DBT. After a discussion with my psychiatric meds doctor, he recommended I keep a journal for the next couple of weeks. I'm looking into behavioral therapies to deal with it because I love feeling again and don't like the potential side effects listed for the lamotrigine. 🤞🤞
I am a bit amazed that he isn't talking about defusion and how helpful defusion can be for bipolar thoughts and really for all of a person's thoughts. I have bipolar and using defusion each day, I am now very consciously aware of which thoughts are manic thoughts so that I can then choose to not use these thoughts. I still manic thoughts all the time, but I now have control over which thoughts I want to use. I believe that defusion might be one of the best skills from CBT to help a person with bipolar.
Hi Chris, thanks for your comment. In fact, we do use cognitive defusion and my patients often find it very helpful. The video was made before the use of defusion had become widespread. We have Steve Hayes and ACT therapy to thank.
@@CognitiveBT I am happy that you use this skill. After my TBI, I am now getting a certification for CBT so I can work as a coach. I also work as a resume. I am thinking about writing a resume for each person I work with because resume, I believe, works so well with CBT. It shows the difference between facts and feelings by using skills and accomplishments that you have done. This means that your resume is full of facts and information that shows who you are instead of talking about what you want to be or your future.bDo you think that resume writing works well with CBT therapy? Thanks!
Without the meds it's hard to keep under control. Lithium isn't the only medication that is for bipolar disorder. If you feel like lithium is not for you, put your foot down. You are your best advocate but I also hope you're getting some therapy. I felt the same, and have never been placed on it bc it didn't feel right to me, it's an old school drug tbh.
It is possible. People did it for thousands for years, with varying results... Unfortunately, there is a price to freedom. Your life is fundamentally your choice. That won't change whether you are symptomatic or not.
There was no intent to “patronize or diminish the seriousness of coping with Bipolar Disorder. The idea of not listening to stimulating music when feeling an early warning sign of mania is more “metaphorical” as in what one wants to do instead is try things that might be calming. I am sorry if this somehow offended you or anyone.
I'm a PLPC and I know several clients who find reprieve in their music of choice, whether it be "rock & roll" or other types of high tempo music. I wouldn't immediately dismiss nor tell a client to stop listening to music that is making them happy & often times helps them to cope through the music versus making dangerous choices had they not been listening to that type of music that brings them peace, solace, & a great deal of understanding. I understand that you are trying to rid the client of stressful media that could trigger a manic episode, but I don't think that music would be the main thing to blame. Full disclosure, I am bipolar & when I was going through rough times, due to my illness, before I found the proper medication regime for myself, I dealt with my issues through listening to hardcore metal music & punk rock. It may sound like chaos & noise to the untrained ear, but it assisted me in being able to have a vicarious release of stress without having to move around or trigger a manic episode at all. It actually inspired me to write down my feelings in a poetic format which lead to journaling later on. I think it would be better proposed on a case by case basis. Just a suggestion.
Of course this would be on a case by case basis.
I take my medication but if it weren’t for music, I’m not sure where I’d be.
Just diagnosed. I'm fearful of lamotrigine. I had been on a cocktail of anti depressants for more than 30 years before I discovered that I WASN'T depressed, (dysthymia), but instead have BPD, am OCD & ADHD, and suffer from PTSD (child of holocaust survivors). I eliminated all the meds I'd been placed on, using Prozac (20mg) to finally and safely eliminate the Cymbalta without the nasty withdrawal symptoms.
On top of all of that, I'm also now off all my former health medicines because i drastically changed my WOL (am now a carnivore). No diabetes, no inflammation, no cravings, and weight loss to boot!
I've never felt better so imagine my surprise when I thought to myself recently, "Hmm, I'm feeling manic." Can't sit still. Spending money. Don't want to and can't sleep. Thank heavens for both CBT and DBT.
After a discussion with my psychiatric meds doctor, he recommended I keep a journal for the next couple of weeks.
I'm looking into behavioral therapies to deal with it because I love feeling again and don't like the potential side effects listed for the lamotrigine. 🤞🤞
I am a bit amazed that he isn't talking about defusion and how helpful defusion can be for bipolar thoughts and really for all of a person's thoughts. I have bipolar and using defusion each day, I am now very consciously aware of which thoughts are manic thoughts so that I can then choose to not use these thoughts. I still manic thoughts all the time, but I now have control over which thoughts I want to use. I believe that defusion might be one of the best skills from CBT to help a person with bipolar.
Hi Chris, thanks for your comment. In fact, we do use cognitive defusion and my patients often find it very helpful. The video was made before the use of defusion had become widespread. We have Steve Hayes and ACT therapy to thank.
@@CognitiveBT I am happy that you use this skill. After my TBI, I am now getting a certification for CBT so I can work as a coach. I also work as a resume. I am thinking about writing a resume for each person I work with because resume, I believe, works so well with CBT. It shows the difference between facts and feelings by using skills and accomplishments that you have done. This means that your resume is full of facts and information that shows who you are instead of talking about what you want to be or your future.bDo you think that resume writing works well with CBT therapy? Thanks!
Can you not do this without meds. I really don't want lithium...
Without the meds it's hard to keep under control. Lithium isn't the only medication that is for bipolar disorder. If you feel like lithium is not for you, put your foot down. You are your best advocate but I also hope you're getting some therapy.
I felt the same, and have never been placed on it bc it didn't feel right to me, it's an old school drug tbh.
It is possible. People did it for thousands for years, with varying results...
Unfortunately, there is a price to freedom. Your life is fundamentally your choice. That won't change whether you are symptomatic or not.
@@darklord220 you can do it without meds. I just had a shitty mindset. Bipolar is nothing more than a label.
"Don't listen to rock music" ? Seriously? That comment seems a little patronizing.
There was no intent to “patronize or diminish the seriousness of coping with Bipolar Disorder. The idea of not listening to stimulating music when feeling an early warning sign of mania is more “metaphorical” as in what one wants to do instead is try things that might be calming. I am sorry if this somehow offended you or anyone.
"might suggest".... its an example given for a hypothetical person