We need to do a video on this, I too have (I think) 3 on the way, all of which are in ridiculous circumstances. I wouldn't mind if I'd been doing 150mph or something, but what's going on now is just straight up entrapment.
I don't often agree with you but on this one I do entrapment or at least putting cameras where they can collect money rather than where there are accidents
Theoretically yes, but it wouldn't stand up in court at 71 in a 70, as the accuracy of the devices they are using are currently stated at +/-3mph at speeds over about 60mph, its +/-1mph at lower speeds *this excludes average speed cameras which are more accurate
It’s big business now. They are incentives for police to catch drivers marginally speeding now. They always tell you they don’t get any money for speeding fines, but what they don’t tell you is they get money from the speed awareness courses. So police forces are now ignoring the old guidelines because they have to raise revenue each year to pay for the speed cameras (which the police control).
The reason they say that speed cameras don't make any money is because the "reinvest" the money into buying more cameras, but they don't count the money they have "reinvested" as profit.
Your driving hasn't changed. The surveillance and need for rinsing you of money has changed. Driving is not fun anymore. Those days are over. Tbh I've given up even trying to do 70 mph now. Its not possible to maintain it for more than a few minutes. Nearly all new cars now know where you've been and how fast you were going, so they could retrospectively fine you at your MOT. If the car can record who is driving by camera or other means you're totally screwed then. May as well walk or have a self driving car. Unfortunately this endless attack on motoring isn't going to stop. Even when it has stopped it'll move into other things. Big brother has no off switch
I've just had the same problem. Saw the speed camera and simultaneously clocked my head up display, saying 36. The speeding prosecution notice claims I was doing 35 (10%+2mph). I've checked my cars implied speed against an android and an apple GPS. When my car states 36mph the real world actual speed is 33mph. I am absolutely certain they are averaging the number up to meet the 10%+2mph guidance they are pretending they are adhering to in order to fine people. The situation is completely out of hand lately. I think the problem is the police are bone idle and want easy pickings that can generate an income.
Same here, 4 since Summer '23 , all within 5mph of limit, countless pcn's for various parking/driving infringements in London.. in the last chance saloon 😮
I got caught doing 79 in a 70 in a 22 plate car. You have my sympathies...ive switch on a warning bong when i go 5 over the speed limit now quite annoying but so is a sppeding ticket. I've been caught speeding 3 times in 30 plus years of driving. Every time there was no danger whatsoever.
Exactly, which is why the police would NEVER stop you for anything up to 80mph unless your driving was really poor. Even if they did you would likely just get a warning as long as it wasn't dangerous, i.e. when the motorway wasn't that busy. That common sense attitude has now been replaced by an "absolute" system in which you just get fined no matter what. I got a ticket on a totally empty road on a clear, dry night at 3 a.m. for driving at 36 mph. Where's the victim? It's an absolute fucking joke.
Speed limits - and danger therein to passengers and pedestrians- reference to the Highway Code…. Which in turn relates to brake, tyre, suspension systems and technology scoped out in the 1960’s 🤷🏻♂️
It’s even worse here, I live in North Wales where the default setting for town driving is 20mph! I’ve really had to adjust my driving, I drive 2 cars a diesel auto which is surprisingly easy to drive slow and I also have my own taxi which is an estate but has a little 3 cylinder turbo which is surprisingly nippy so need to be a little careful with that one. I suppose my point is I really feel for people who own and luv their performance cars, some of these cars are at their happiest when their accelerating or going above 80 so they never get the chance to enjoy them accept of course unless they take them on a track day which in a way defeats the object of owning a really nice form of transport. Hey-ho, the joys and pitfalls of modern day motoring!
Not only that though, having to drive those cars really slowly is clogging up the engines and is going to cause problems further down the line. IN many cases it's going to be the next owners of the car that suffer from those problems, with EGR valves, DPFs and so on clogging up, turbos failing, even engine failure. I wouldn't touch a car now that comes from Wales.
As you can tell from my user name I'm also here in soviet north Wales, still waiting for them to start putting them back to 30 18 months after they said they'd start. I'm convinced the only reason for blanket 20 was so that emissions would increase so they could then bring in zones or pay per mile. PPM is actually in black and white written in the Welsh gov transport policy
@@Challengetheroad Waze is so much better than Google maps and Apple Maps. The only problem I have found with it is that it only alerts you when you are 0.3 miles away so you gotta keep checking the map now and again for alerts. It’s saved me so many times 👍
UK is just crap now for "spirited" driving, rubbish pot hole riddled roads, fixed, average and mobile speed cameras and dash cam snitches, makes me want to move abroad more and more every year! Thankfully I live in rural Suffolk which isn't too bad for cameras compared to the rest of the country it seems when I drive in other parts of the UK ..... He says probably getting caught the next day 🙄
Trouble is, give it another 10-20 years and EVERY road will have a speed camera. In fact we'll probably have systems fitted to cars that report you automatically. Just another way of trying to force drivers off the road in my opinion, they're trying to make it too expensive for many, near impossible for those who can't charge an EV at home when they finally force petrol cars off the road, which they will do by making fuel and tax so expensive the average working man won't be able to afford one, and when all that fails they will make sure half the population are banned. We'll end up with more people driving without insurance than those who do.
It’s not about money. It’s about removing your driving licence. With variable speed limits, you can slow from one limit to a lower limit but run through an intermediate limit at a few mph over. In Tenerife recently, speed limit changes were so closely grouped together especially as you get onto a long slip road that I think it’s actually all but impossible to pass the signs at the correct speed, without a risk of being hit from behind. One went from 120 on the main road, then on entering the slip road, down to 90, then shortly to 40, long before the roundabout off the slip road, then 90 off the roundabout then very quickly back to 50, then up to 70 on the rural road. I noticed the car reporting out the new limit within one meter of the speed signs. These are designed to strip you of your license within days. Driving in that environment is so unpleasant that I didn’t want to take the car out. Richard’s video has me worried now. That hire car has probably uploaded the entire use log vs prevailing limits. I could get letters telling me I’m banned in Spain, or in the EU. Hope not. But they have the evidence, always, because these new cars are always online, recording GPS location, speed and speed limit, together with dates and times.
I got 7 in the matter of three months, when seemingly cameras were turned on and I was only 2mph/3mph over. Very stressful and crazy! All on the same route
I feel that the points system needs an overhaul. When you consider average speed stretches and the quantity of one off speed checks, combined with many many more roads being changed from NSL to 40s and 50s, the roads where you’re concentrating on bends, inclines and side roads, not the speedo, the likelihood of being caught a bit over the limit is vastly increased from what it was in the 80s and 90s. 3 points each time with a 12 point maximum just isn’t proportional. I now have older cars where you have to try harder, and the quickest is a BMW i3s REx.
Hey Richard, So sorry to hear about this highly irritating news. I totally agree that with variable speed limits on Motorways and new 20 zones popping up in urban areas and average speed cameras on motorways and some A roads, it is getting much harder for the careful motorists not to unintentionally transgress the speed limit. Sadly still no visible road policing with real Police and marked cars to stop dangerous and reckless driving. Good luck and hope you don’t suffer another ban.
I had my first ticket (2nd one ever) in over 30 years last year...79 on the M6. 🙄 I once got stopped by a senior policeman in a big Volvo on the M6...he was on my tale at 126 uphill..couldn't shake him!😂 ..when I slowed down to 60 and the blue lights came on..I felt sick. One good telling off later and I was on my way with the words..'Never speed at night...you don't know what's behind you' ringing in my ears! 😅 The stupid thing is that I'm sure 99% of people who get speeding fines are not driving dangerously..it's simply a new tax on the mororists...the 10%+2 sensible wiggle room seems to have been ditched in favour of a more 'Gestapo'esque' YOU VILL OBAY ZE LIMIT AT ALL TIMES mentality...which is not going to help foster a good relationship with the public! 😡 I think you and Geoff need to get the Motorist's Action Network up and running ASAP Richard...we need a powerful lobby group which works on behalf of the motorist's more than ever. 👍🏻😎
100% correct. Police would usually just give you a ticking off unless you were driving dangerously. Now we're being fined by machine, camera takes a photo, one policeman puts his name to them en masse without even reading them and they're all processed by computer. The law was never intended to work that way, you're supposed to be "done" by a policeman and prosecuted and fined by a judge in court, not someone sat in an office processing camera images and feeding them into a computer where they all get rubber stamped by a JP who hasn't even read the charges. I don't even know how that's legal, how can you be prosecuted if a judge hasn't even read the paperwork? Much the same thing happens with things like council tax enforcement too, 1000+ cases "heard" all at once and rubber stamped yet supposedly read and passed by a judge.
‘They” want us off the road. I have a colleague that has a mate in DoT. He told me the restrictions on motorways speeds is deliberate… all the miles of conned speed limits at 50mph that stay for YEARS is to deliberately harris, frustrate and annoy the motorist. All by design; that was back in 2005! 😡. They stuck a lane reduction and speed restriction on the M25/M3 intersection back in 2004. It’s still there now, despite adding a new lane on M3!. Deliberate attempt to push traffic back onto the M25 which in turn was to throttle back traffic around Heathrow so that air quality would reduce and in part assist with the negative issues on giving 3rd runway planning. It’s a fecking conspiracy……aghhhhh.
When I did my first ever naughty boy course last year there were a number of people in London on the course who'd been done for doing 22 in a 20....crazy! 😡
@@colliehouse3133 Tell me, how did you manage to amass 25 subscribers when you have no content and no archived videos on your channel? Or are you just another tiresome AI generated shill account?
@@colliehouse3133 We know what the limit is but there's no common sense. I had a car 40 years ago that shook itself to bits at 70 mph and took twice as long to stop than cars do now. My current car can do over 120 and you wouldn't feel a single rattle or vibration and it has all sorts of tech to help it maintain a distance and even brake autonomously, so what's the reason for retaining a limit which is now absurd in a modern car - apart from to make money out of us? No speed camera has ever prevented an accident but they've caused plenty where people have spotted them at the last minute and hit the brakes, which means that if it was all about safety there's more reason to get rid of them than keep them.
Totally same. No points for 30 years now got 3 tickets in a year last was 79 in a 70 as well so rule doesn’t work. Just about making money from motorists for insurers and police. Anyone used anything better than Waze for detection?
In my last 2 BMW’s with the active cruise, you could set it so that below 40mph, I added 2mph and above 40mph I added 4mph. I used it all the time to control speed whether in urban or main roads. Also worth paying the £25 subscription for ‘safety’ cameras on the bmw connected drive site. Particularly useful if you have a HUD, but once done, in the idrive, you can also set it to make bong too.
Last year I got my first ever speeding ticket caught by the new type of unseen Vector SR cameras (36 in a 30) after over 50 years of driving and so took the awareness course. Strange though my car is also a 2022 model. As regards the motorway variable speed cameras (with mandatory gantry warning signs in red circles) am I right in assuming you only get caught when you pass the second set of warning signs? In other words when they light up as you approach the gantry you would need to pass another gantry in excess of the speed limit before being 'flashed'?
I use cruise control even in 30 and 40 zones as it’s too easy in modern cars to build speed without being aware of it. Otherwise you have to keep checking your speed which is too distracting 👍
Even that's not foolproof though, they can change a speed limit downwards and if you miss the sign, which is easily done if, for example, you're behind a large vehicle or the weather is bad, especially at night, you still get caught anyway. Something has to change because we all know it's just about the money. You can only push people so far, it's not going to end well.
Richard , are the tryres the correct size? Speedo calibrated correctly ? Was this hand held speed camera ? Lazer sliding up the slope adding mph on sleek Porche shape? Also speed limit signs are often defective , red circles not red , signs not lit . I had a run of tickets 20 years ago . 5 speed cameras on a route with 22 signing defects ! Police , courts , councils all in a partnership. But failed to correct the road signs . Also you can argue your job, employment of others air caring responsibilities to avoid a 12 point ban. Tony S .
Richard sorry to hear of your recent speeding tickets. Many years back I was done for 79 in a 70. I’d guess you and I were clocked at over 80 and they charged us with 79 so we could not challenge them over the accuracy of their measurements
Geoff’s friend (EV Carnage in RUclips so you can check out his videos on this) clocked up four 3 point speeding tickets and got a 6 month ban. The roads are awash with cameras so it’s all to easy now. Head of the London Black Cab Association said how many of his members were picking up multiple tickets and loosing their license. If you have acquired 5 then it may be worth employing a specialist solicitor if you need to keep your license; otherwise you may need to hire a driver for some time.
The car DOES inform on you. You didn’t know that? They’re ONLINE at all times, at least when powered up. If they receive the speed limit, they’re also recording your speed and GPS location, date and time.
The 10% rule is to allow for manufacturing tolerances, including tyre manufacturers tolerances, and wear. The police aren't being kind when they allow you 10%, they know that if a case is taken to court and it can be proven that accumulated tolerances within a car, and those between manufacturers (not all manufacturers work to the same tolerances), render speed assessment an approximation within certain tolerances then the case will be thrown out. The +2mph rule is generally considered user tolerance, e.g. at 6'2" I have a different perspective on an analogue speedometer than a 5'3" granny driving the same car. That, arguably, is a concession. And whatever you do, do not rely on your phone, or an after market SatNav to tell you your speed. The only piece of equipment acceptable to courts for judging your speed is a manufacturer fitted device, i.e. your car's speedometer. My understanding is, a SatNav averages speed over the short period of time between transmission and reception, which is not continuous, between your phone and the satellite signal. It's also subject to climatic conditions. By the letter of the law you are correct, 31mph is a ticket, but that 31 MPH is 33MPH + 2MPH = 31MPH. There are also speed detecting device manufacturing tolerances, but they seem to be pretty well ignored and are probably too small to be relevant.
My friend camera enforcement told me of 2 speed awareness rule one for the 30 and other for the motorway 70 rule . So you could be offered 2 in those examples
You still maintain you got pinged for 33 and 34 in a 30? You weaken your case by claiming that. Prosecution only starts at 35. Anyway apart from that I agree with the rest. 79 in a 70 is gonna get one. Look up the NPCC guidelines. PS why not get a dashcam with GPS you can review it when you get one (or have a look at it when you think you might get one) Stuff all the apps and tech, mobiles and aids, you can't guarantee they're set up right. All that said, are you now picking up on it? They don't want us in cars at all. ICE or EVs. And until then, they will continue to milk us.
Is it because you’re getting old and your attention isn’t what it once was? 😅 I stopped doing 80 a few years ago as they are so much stricter these days, I just cruise at 70. I notice all traffic seems slower now, 80 used to be very much the norm and un written rule, my guess is the cars warning people more has slowed people down. Maybe that is why they are clamping down now, they need to catch people and hit targets and bring in funds so its now the 80 drivers getting stung
I agree - I think fewer people drive at 80 on the motorway compared to 20 years ago when it was the defacto limit. I generally stick the cruise to 73 (a real 70/71) and then don't have to worry, and many seem to be about this speed nowadays, at least in my part of the UK.
I don't think it's anything to do with cars warning people, it's because there are more and more cameras that cannot distinguish between safely driving a little over the speed limit. Police only really used to bother with the lunatics that drove as fast as they could regardless of the conditions or traffic, but cameras catch everybody going over a certain speed even on an empty road at 3 a.m.
My sympathies are with you, we motorists are all delicious cash cows in the eye of the law. You own and drive a lot of fast cars, going back to older cars may give you a more visceral, less robotic drive and improve the feeling of speed. But you can exceed the speed limit in an older car just the same as a new one unfortunately. 🤦♂️
Might be worth you checking the accuracy of the speedo's in these newer electric cars especially. They used to make speedos roughly over read by about 2mph at 30mph and it would be more like 4 or 5mph at 70mph. Can use a GPS device or a phone app to check it. As cars now have speed alerts and things like that, who knows maybe the tolerance has been reducing? The mani reason for the deliberate difference was so that as devices age, if their accuracy fails then theres never a sitiation where they under read. This said, this all started back in the analogue days, now they are digital, whi knows?
Richard, it’s incredibly infuriating but harsh as it may sound you’ve only got yourself to blame, the speed limit isn’t a surprise. Like others have helpfully pointed out you should use Waze without exception on every journey. The days of enjoying a blast on public roads are long gone. In 2018 I owned eleven cars including a 675LT Spider, GT3RS and 488 Spider amongst others. In 2019 I got caught speeding at 83mph on the M3 and then in 2021 caught at 34 in a 30 zone in Bradford. Guess how many supercars I now own? That’s right, none! There’s no fun in motoring any more, mobile police vans and potholes the size of volcanic craters have put paid to that. A simple diesel X5 and a 2015 Boxster GTS will do me now. Never thought I’d see the day I’d give up my love of cars having been mad about them since the age of 3 but 55 years later I’m finally done with them. And don’t get me started about all the latest electric and tech riddled nonsense now being thrust upon us. In the last 10 years I’ve bought over 50 new cars, for the first time in 20 years I don’t have any new cars on order. Enjoying motoring is sadly a thing of the past.
It always worries me when on the M5 and M42 when for some random reason the average speed limit can go from 70 to 40 mph and anywhere in-between. We all knew truckers don't give a struff about speed limits or even using the 'fast' lane in the M5 or M42 road works when the limit is 50mph.
Why not use a speed limiter, set at limit plus give or take 10%? All modern cars have it now. I do that always now, unless on a rare occasion I forget.
That's ok if it is a decent road with one limit. Locally there's a road that has 50mph, 40mph, 30mph,20mph all over the place. You need a co driver to reset the speed limiter!
What I have noticed is the fords I have driven recently are geared that I am in 3rd gear to keep it under 30 when I try to go to 4th to drive economically the engine labours so when I go to 4th it takes me over 30 so easily into ticket terriitory
Caffeine and Machine opened new site near me (West Meon, Hampshire). Simultaneously average speed cameras for about 5 miles on each approach road were added…. These roads are in the middle of nowhere……Ker-ching🤦🏻♂️
Do you recall this? David Beckham avoids speeding prosecution after lawyer 'Mr Loophole' finds technicality The retired footballer posts a selfie stuck in traffic as his lawyer Nick Freeman fights his case in court. Friday 28 September 2018 Given your dislike for lawyers perhaps it’s time to give this guy a call? Good luck 👍
Rich, every force does its own thing with speed enforcement. Get yourself a very good solicitor, Nick Freeman comes to mind. You are at risk of losing your licence at 12 points, that’s the issue you face so get some good legal advice. To be honest, police forces and PCC’s make speeding a priority enforcement. You have to set your cruise control / speed warning if your car has one. Waze beeps when you exceed the speed limit. It’s the digital world we live in. Must admit I have a dash cam that I can look back on just to double check if I’m in the position of getting done. It’s more of a piece of mind thing so I can challenge if it came to it.
6 point here for 35 in a 30 handed to me at court few months back. Argued the rules only to be told they are only discretionary in other words 31 and could still be handed 3 points. Prior had clean licence. I was in a heavy line of traffic all doing the same speed but guess the nice car gets the fine right 🙄 Was one of those handheld cams operated by a local do-gooder, not even a proper pig. Apparently the have to prove you were issued the ticket within 14 days of the offence otherwise it can't be enforced 👍
I hate cars that have really poor speedometers, I’ve been looking at the current shape Yaris’s and if you want a upper spec model Dynamic or Excel they come with a digital number readout only rather than an analogue clock like the basic ones, looks similar to sort of thing my mum had in a Citroen c3 in 2002. I like the newer 2024 model Yaris as it has a digital dash but you can lay the dashboard out like a regular car with nicely spaced numbers or tabs but it does have the speed warning that needs turning off everytime, as well as lane assist. Another mention is Skodas without digi dashes, terrible if your working in MPH, you be ok if you were in Europe as deffo made to suite KPH. Currently drive a 2007 Fiesta which has every speed laid out 10, 20, 30 etc etc and a 2014 Fiesta which has 20,40,60 but good tabs between. Mini F56 was the same but the number in between aren’t clearly marked unless it’s a JCW. Unfortunately with surveillance everywhere and more and more cameras it’s not good for the motorist where by you used to get caught by mostly and actual person. My last speeding conviction was at 22 years old and did slow me down and was my own doing, 40 in a 30, no speed awareness offered as over by too much. That road is now a 20. Lower and lower speed limits everywhere but cars are safer than ever supposedly. I’m now 38 and touch wood no more tickets but I feel now the chances are higher than ever. I know if you go beyond the 12 points you need to prove in court that a ban would cause “exceptional hardship”. Needs to be more than an inconvenience. Worth a google and would get some legal advice to make sure you can go in with some reasons that can back it up.
The other thing people forget to mention, especially the smartarses who never speed and say it's your own fault, yada yada, is that on modern cars, especially more powerful cars, a speedometer can read up to 200 mph or more. For example, mine reads up to 180. So if you're doing 22 in a 20 zone, that's probably the needle moving less than 2 millimeters between those two measurements round the dial which you're supposed to spot and register your exact speed in your head while taking your eyes off the road for a split second, even assuming it's static, i.e. you're driving at a constant speed. By anybody's standards it's ludicrous to expect anybody to be able to do that accurately while driving.
@@Challengetheroadjust double check because I keep seeing 3 year gap between courses Fair play for doing a video on this not many people let alone youtubers would be this honest with audience I think your future with your cars and driving with depend on insurance costs. I had 6 points for no insurance which I hold my hands up as a genuine mistake. I have 5 cars and wont be making that mistake again, we all learn but I don’t do auto renew for that reason anymore. Went from £600 to £900 a year focus mk3 not too bad with 6 points. Its 9 + where you really see costs increase big time and alot of insurance companies not insuring either. 3 years is up and back to 0 and have a buffer of a speed awareness course but im taking delivery in 3 weeks of a maserati gts have to be very carefull 😅
@@ChallengetheroadIt use to be one every five years I think, but it’s now one every three years. If you had two forces involved they may have overlapped in offering you a course.
Turn on the speed alert. It'll give you the nod to lift your foot. Or pop on the limiter, then you can hammer it on acceleration but not go over the limit. The trouble is, as you know, EVs are fun and its very easy to speed.
Ok this is legalised extortion; my son got a ticket where the photo shows he is avoiding a motorcycle that is clearly on his side of the road and he has literally only tyre on the white line of a bus lane…. £60 ticket. Could I fight it… sure, but the hassle and time is massive. They know this and “are playing the numbers” … ITS A MONEY MAKING SCAM
Luckily i drive on the same roads I know where the fixed cameras are & i know where the mobiles sit…still got 6pts but they were on different roads that i don’t usually drive on🤷♂️
Councils can't prosecute for speed full stop Tell me which force prosecutes under 10%+2 (and evidence it) as they would not be following the NPCC agreed guidelines
@angleseyandy9110 London council, lambeth council have the power to issue speeding fines, as for the 10%+2mph, different county's have different guidelines, it is not written into legislation as you say, often police themselves believe it is, but if you search The Blackbelt Barrister, Speeding and the "10% plus 2 Rule". What you Need to know, I also belive he did a shorts video where he also explains about the different County/Council's views on tolerance.
@markstead7867 what I need to know is: 1. All forces follow the NPCC guidelines, unless you can cite a recent successful prosecution where they didn't; and 2. Councils have certain powers to fine for som moving traffic offences, but speeding is not one of them, again unless you are able to cite otherwise. I'm fully aware of BBB's content. Maybe he can help you to locate any of the above to back up your suggestions? Until then, my opinion will not vary.
I had to do a speed awareness course for 34 in a 30. Mind it was a road which IMO could have been a 60, should at least be a 40. Police officer was hidden behind an overhanging tree. Very difficult to listen to the patronising lectures knowing full well you were driving perfectly safe for the conditions. There's a difference between being over the limit and driving too quickly IMO.
The reason 32 years all fine was we never had all the cameras in the good days, now hardly a single road exists without a secret money making machine Trap.. So bad near me going for drive once a joy is nothing short of a challenge to miss potholes, dodge silly pushbikers and slow in time for hidden cameras.. The stopping us drive is working well as now i think i can not be bothered to have a flash fast car !!! Its just a waste so may have an old banger..
32 years of driving you've not been caught speeding, which is not the same as not speeding over those 32 years. It's not that it's legal to go 10% + 2mph over the speed limit, it's that in the past there has been the general acceptance that cameras are calibrated to that. Is camera technology getting better? The tolerances turned down? Cars are "hiding" their speed? End of the day if you're going over the speed limit, the risk is you can get prosecuted, however low the perceived risk is.
The point is it's just plain wrong. Just because some misguided bunch of bureaucrats make it law doesn't make it right. I got fined for hitting 36 mph at 3 a.m. in the morning on a country lane with nobody around for miles, didn't even see another car let alone a pedestrian so virtually ZERO risk to anybody, not tat 36 is much of a risk most of the time anyway - the vast majority of accidents are caused by carelessness, people pulling out and not looking and so on, not by speed so motorists are being persecuted for no real reason other than to make money out of them and THAT is not the reason the law exists.
@@severnsea Your perception of risk of the circumstances of your speeding fine, and that of the fairness of law is your subjective opinion you are entitled to hold. The objective truth is that you entered into a contract with the government, whereby they give you a licence to drive in return to you agreeing to a set of rules around executing that licence. We all break some of those rules probably every time we drive, and 99.99% of the time we do that without consequence, but there is always the chance that we may be subject to the law being imposed.
Richard I would love to see an analysis of this - growth in speeding fines by county, impact on insurance premiums for numbers of points and I am guessing but limited correlation to road safety outcomes suggesting this is all about money not road safety particularly given a lot of these fines like the 79 in 70 are on open motorway / main A roads. I wonder what proportion of motorists now have 3 points min - my guess is a lot so is this just the new norm and another Labour stealth tax?.
OMG 😮 I feel your pain ……. been there got the t-shirt and like you I don’t use lawyers. I’ve got thoughts, but probably wait for your second episode update. For sure you need to focus on a strategy to keep your license 🤔
I don't think it will be too long before speeding will be classified as a war crime. Then you will have to drive around in something slow, like an old Allegro, which, of course, is a crime against humanity. It is jail whatever way you look at it.
Gutted Richard especially with a new Yaris they are a temptation on toast I think 79 in a 70 is 3 points but you can have 12 points & still keep your licence.
DO NOT simply accept their 'so called' facts of your alleged speeding. Do the Maths on the timings supplied. I was sent a NIP for the very same speed (79) (speed cameras) and although their calculations were, on the face of it, correct, my lawyer successfully argued that THEIR equipment has a margin of error also, so, the 79 mph could not be relied upon. Case dismissed😂.
Modern cars mask the speed they are doing. We are too cosseted in our tin boxes. Even a modern 1 litre car is perfectly able to mask its speed. Automatic transmissions, high gearing and “free-wheeling” features contrive to fool us. I’ve not tried electric or hybrid but with even fewer mechanical cues, we are levelled to the age of bongs and beeps.
Sorry for another post had another thought, just make sure nobody has cloned your registration plates and the locations / times match your journeys as it’s a real issue around the country. Especially with you being a RUclipsr on your cars being on display.
am 53 travel for work a lot got 79mph fine not all county use 10% plus 2mph they reduced it to 10% plus 1 . worst of it I was squirting passed to make space and safer from bunched up traffic speeding up and slamming on the brakes coming up to speed cameras .
unfortunately for me and everyone else for me it the rise in automatic gearboxes that’s been my downfall and following other users all doing similar speed so it kind of normalises it but no excuse. Manual cars hold revs if kept in 3rd in a 30 you’ll probably never exceed. Excluding you exotic stuff Another is older cars were smaller and noisier and gave an indication of speed. Now double glazing and insulation etc take a classic mini drive Never a fine now 2 off belt when I got autos will be same on your electric or hybrid cars
The speed limiters do not always work. I had set mine to auto cruise, but system didn’t perform pick up change from 30 down to 20 until 1/2 mile into the zone.
@@Challengetheroad Good luck to you it's bloody horrible here, Average speed cameras everywhere. I got cocky regularly doing 30 and got away with it, they must have switched the damn things on just before Christmas. A nice prezzie for me lol.
Previous two cars were somewhat of the sporty leaping cat engine types and have been driving for decades with no speeding convictions. As I'm of advancing years I thought a more sedate electric car was in order and by the way where can you drive a 155mph car in this pathetic country anyway? So we now get a fine for speeding in a 30mph zone, ok I was going like a loony at 37mph. They put the mobile speed trap where you come round a bend from a 50mph zone and where there are other hazards like a dangerous junction right on the bend. You are too occupied looking out for road hazards to be staring at your speed indication and as an electric car is so quiet you have little aural indication of speed anyway. Interestingly when I did the "speed awareness course" the other participants were of the older generation like myself and not some boy racer types.
Driving like a bat out of hell 😂 was caught once racing an unmarked cop got up to 120 in a TT RS luckily for me he let me off he was on a call. I really thought I was toasted 😂. Hope you luck sounds grim 4 tickets would be worried myself on that basis.
O'dear how depessing. Hope you can sort it out and avoid a ban. If you do ,you are probably going to be ultra careful in the future. With all those cars,this is very bad news. You may have to employ a driver . Perhaps your daughter can help you out in her Fiat 500. If not and you need a lift, I have a lot of free time and am not far away. Currently clean licence.😊.
Not watched it all yet but I would wager your speeding was caught by a non human! …like you 30 years never had speeding ticket and I regularly travel to Manchester to London twice a month always set my cruise control sane speed for years gone past many a cop car and nothing. The minute I go on M1 with thousand cameras get fine for 79mph by a box minding my own business late at night with no one else around me….feel cheated tbh a real copper wouldn’t have stopped me.
This is a pointless video. An old man refusing to take responsibility for his actions but instead looking for who to blame. It's not new cars, electric cars etc... it's you mate. Be mindful of your speed.
@sweetfreedomGB it's not big brother, the rules and laws are there for a reason. It's there especially for foolish people like you who will not use their common sense and do the right thing. It's called LAW... fool!
Richard challenged the road, and the road won. 😋
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We need to do a video on this, I too have (I think) 3 on the way, all of which are in ridiculous circumstances. I wouldn't mind if I'd been doing 150mph or something, but what's going on now is just straight up entrapment.
I don't often agree with you but on this one I do entrapment or at least putting cameras where they can collect money rather than where there are accidents
And you can't blame being in an EV 😂
Though I do wonder why it's been so long since you did a vid on how shite they are...
10% +2 is advisory and up to individual constabularies. Hence 71 in a 70 could get you a fine.
It's guidelines from the NPCC which all forces have agreed to implement
Theoretically, but in practice you'll never get a fine for 71 mph.
Theoretically yes, but it wouldn't stand up in court at 71 in a 70, as the accuracy of the devices they are using are currently stated at +/-3mph at speeds over about 60mph, its +/-1mph at lower speeds *this excludes average speed cameras which are more accurate
Are you using Waze when you drive? That bleeps if you go over the limit too.
Basically just use cruise control everywhere.
I need to use waze going forward
It’s big business now. They are incentives for police to catch drivers marginally speeding now. They always tell you they don’t get any money for speeding fines, but what they don’t tell you is they get money from the speed awareness courses.
So police forces are now ignoring the old guidelines because they have to raise revenue each year to pay for the speed cameras (which the police control).
The reason they say that speed cameras don't make any money is because the "reinvest" the money into buying more cameras, but they don't count the money they have "reinvested" as profit.
Your driving hasn't changed. The surveillance and need for rinsing you of money has changed. Driving is not fun anymore. Those days are over. Tbh I've given up even trying to do 70 mph now. Its not possible to maintain it for more than a few minutes. Nearly all new cars now know where you've been and how fast you were going, so they could retrospectively fine you at your MOT. If the car can record who is driving by camera or other means you're totally screwed then. May as well walk or have a self driving car. Unfortunately this endless attack on motoring isn't going to stop. Even when it has stopped it'll move into other things. Big brother has no off switch
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I've just had the same problem. Saw the speed camera and simultaneously clocked my head up display, saying 36. The speeding prosecution notice claims I was doing 35 (10%+2mph). I've checked my cars implied speed against an android and an apple GPS. When my car states 36mph the real world actual speed is 33mph. I am absolutely certain they are averaging the number up to meet the 10%+2mph guidance they are pretending they are adhering to in order to fine people. The situation is completely out of hand lately. I think the problem is the police are bone idle and want easy pickings that can generate an income.
Except the income does not go to the police
How long will it be before police start hiding behind hedges in 20 mph limits, knowing full well that most people still do 30?
They already do in Wales. They hide their van and hide in the undergrowth. Seriously!!
Same here, 4 since Summer '23 , all within 5mph of limit, countless pcn's for various parking/driving infringements in London.. in the last chance saloon 😮
Better call "Mr Loophole" Nick Freeman!
And don't enter Into the straw man contract
I got caught doing 79 in a 70 in a 22 plate car. You have my sympathies...ive switch on a warning bong when i go 5 over the speed limit now quite annoying but so is a sppeding ticket. I've been caught speeding 3 times in 30 plus years of driving. Every time there was no danger whatsoever.
Exactly, which is why the police would NEVER stop you for anything up to 80mph unless your driving was really poor. Even if they did you would likely just get a warning as long as it wasn't dangerous, i.e. when the motorway wasn't that busy. That common sense attitude has now been replaced by an "absolute" system in which you just get fined no matter what. I got a ticket on a totally empty road on a clear, dry night at 3 a.m. for driving at 36 mph. Where's the victim? It's an absolute fucking joke.
The cars monitoring you! Who is it sharing your whereabouts with? Especially if you are on a list!
Speed limits - and danger therein to passengers and pedestrians- reference to the Highway Code…. Which in turn relates to brake, tyre, suspension systems and technology scoped out in the 1960’s 🤷🏻♂️
It’s even worse here, I live in North Wales where the default setting for town driving is 20mph! I’ve really had to adjust my driving, I drive 2 cars a diesel auto which is surprisingly easy to drive slow and I also have my own taxi which is an estate but has a little 3 cylinder turbo which is surprisingly nippy so need to be a little careful with that one. I suppose my point is I really feel for people who own and luv their performance cars, some of these cars are at their happiest when their accelerating or going above 80 so they never get the chance to enjoy them accept of course unless they take them on a track day which in a way defeats the object of owning a really nice form of transport. Hey-ho, the joys and pitfalls of modern day motoring!
Not only that though, having to drive those cars really slowly is clogging up the engines and is going to cause problems further down the line. IN many cases it's going to be the next owners of the car that suffer from those problems, with EGR valves, DPFs and so on clogging up, turbos failing, even engine failure. I wouldn't touch a car now that comes from Wales.
As you can tell from my user name I'm also here in soviet north Wales, still waiting for them to start putting them back to 30 18 months after they said they'd start.
I'm convinced the only reason for blanket 20 was so that emissions would increase so they could then bring in zones or pay per mile. PPM is actually in black and white written in the Welsh gov transport policy
Just use Waze, if everyone uses Waze no one gets done speeding 🤷♂️🤦♂️
I need to start using this, as mainly use google maps
@@Challengetheroad Waze has saved my license so many times, you can’t 100% rely on it but it’s way better than Google maps and Apple Maps. 👍
@@Challengetheroad Waze is so much better than Google maps and Apple Maps. The only problem I have found with it is that it only alerts you when you are 0.3 miles away so you gotta keep checking the map now and again for alerts. It’s saved me so many times 👍
Facts, must use app
Definitely another vote for Waze, only let me down once and fortunately the camera van was in a previously known location so I was looking for it.
UK is just crap now for "spirited" driving, rubbish pot hole riddled roads, fixed, average and mobile speed cameras and dash cam snitches, makes me want to move abroad more and more every year! Thankfully I live in rural Suffolk which isn't too bad for cameras compared to the rest of the country it seems when I drive in other parts of the UK ..... He says probably getting caught the next day 🙄
Trouble is, give it another 10-20 years and EVERY road will have a speed camera. In fact we'll probably have systems fitted to cars that report you automatically. Just another way of trying to force drivers off the road in my opinion, they're trying to make it too expensive for many, near impossible for those who can't charge an EV at home when they finally force petrol cars off the road, which they will do by making fuel and tax so expensive the average working man won't be able to afford one, and when all that fails they will make sure half the population are banned. We'll end up with more people driving without insurance than those who do.
@@severnsea Old Orwell will spinning in heaven looking down at the UK.
Well, if you don't speed, it's not an issue, and they wouldn't need speed cameras if people kept to the limits
It’s not about money. It’s about removing your driving licence.
With variable speed limits, you can slow from one limit to a lower limit but run through an intermediate limit at a few mph over.
In Tenerife recently, speed limit changes were so closely grouped together especially as you get onto a long slip road that I think it’s actually all but impossible to pass the signs at the correct speed, without a risk of being hit from behind.
One went from 120 on the main road, then on entering the slip road, down to 90, then shortly to 40, long before the roundabout off the slip road, then 90 off the roundabout then very quickly back to 50, then up to 70 on the rural road.
I noticed the car reporting out the new limit within one meter of the speed signs.
These are designed to strip you of your license within days.
Driving in that environment is so unpleasant that I didn’t want to take the car out.
Richard’s video has me worried now. That hire car has probably uploaded the entire use log vs prevailing limits. I could get letters telling me I’m banned in Spain, or in the EU. Hope not. But they have the evidence, always, because these new cars are always online, recording GPS location, speed and speed limit, together with dates and times.
I got 7 in the matter of three months, when seemingly cameras were turned on and I was only 2mph/3mph over. Very stressful and crazy! All on the same route
Thats Crazy!
Just to add, my car was a lease so I didn’t get the tickets straight away, hence why I suddenly had 7!!
I got one timed 3 hours before I actually set off, but the police wouldn't accept it was inaccurate.
I make sure waze in on all the time between that and onboard monitoring at least you are made aware when you are over best of luck
I feel that the points system needs an overhaul. When you consider average speed stretches and the quantity of one off speed checks, combined with many many more roads being changed from NSL to 40s and 50s, the roads where you’re concentrating on bends, inclines and side roads, not the speedo, the likelihood of being caught a bit over the limit is vastly increased from what it was in the 80s and 90s. 3 points each time with a 12 point maximum just isn’t proportional. I now have older cars where you have to try harder, and the quickest is a BMW i3s REx.
Hey Richard,
So sorry to hear about this highly irritating news.
I totally agree that with variable speed limits on Motorways and new 20 zones popping up in urban areas and average speed cameras on motorways and some A roads, it is getting much harder for the careful motorists not to unintentionally transgress the speed limit.
Sadly still no visible road policing with real Police and marked cars to stop dangerous and reckless driving.
Good luck and hope you don’t suffer another ban.
I would contact a lawyer. M.A.J Law ltd have a RUclips channel and seem pretty up front.
In Staffordshire 78 mph on the motorway gets you a speeding ticket 76 gets you a caution? So 34, 45 56 67 would all be a definite summons.
I had my first ticket (2nd one ever) in over 30 years last year...79 on the M6. 🙄
I once got stopped by a senior policeman in a big Volvo on the M6...he was on my tale at 126 uphill..couldn't shake him!😂
..when I slowed down to 60 and the blue lights came on..I felt sick. One good telling off later and I was on my way with the words..'Never speed at night...you don't know what's behind you' ringing in my ears! 😅
The stupid thing is that I'm sure 99% of people who get speeding fines are not driving dangerously..it's simply a new tax on the mororists...the 10%+2 sensible wiggle room seems to have been ditched in favour of a more 'Gestapo'esque' YOU VILL OBAY ZE LIMIT AT ALL TIMES mentality...which is not going to help foster a good relationship with the public! 😡
I think you and Geoff need to get the Motorist's Action Network up and running ASAP Richard...we need a powerful lobby group which works on behalf of the motorist's more than ever. 👍🏻😎
100% correct. Police would usually just give you a ticking off unless you were driving dangerously. Now we're being fined by machine, camera takes a photo, one policeman puts his name to them en masse without even reading them and they're all processed by computer. The law was never intended to work that way, you're supposed to be "done" by a policeman and prosecuted and fined by a judge in court, not someone sat in an office processing camera images and feeding them into a computer where they all get rubber stamped by a JP who hasn't even read the charges. I don't even know how that's legal, how can you be prosecuted if a judge hasn't even read the paperwork? Much the same thing happens with things like council tax enforcement too, 1000+ cases "heard" all at once and rubber stamped yet supposedly read and passed by a judge.
‘They” want us off the road. I have a colleague that has a mate in DoT. He told me the restrictions on motorways speeds is deliberate… all the miles of conned speed limits at 50mph that stay for YEARS is to deliberately harris, frustrate and annoy the motorist. All by design; that was back in 2005! 😡. They stuck a lane reduction and speed restriction on the M25/M3 intersection back in 2004. It’s still there now, despite adding a new lane on M3!. Deliberate attempt to push traffic back onto the M25 which in turn was to throttle back traffic around Heathrow so that air quality would reduce and in part assist with the negative issues on giving 3rd runway planning. It’s a fecking conspiracy……aghhhhh.
34mph as an offence is ridiculous 😮
And who doesn't cruise around 80mph on a motorway?
Modern brakes and tyres make these offences laughable 😏
I just got done for 27 in a 20 in Wales where most of the urban roads are 20, it's horrible.
When I did my first ever naughty boy course last year there were a number of people in London on the course who'd been done for doing 22 in a 20....crazy! 😡
The limit is 70 mph. It’s not rocket science. Learn the hard way like this uploaderabout what a limit actually means. It’s a MAXIMUM. Not a guide.
@@colliehouse3133 Tell me, how did you manage to amass 25 subscribers when you have no content and no archived videos on your channel? Or are you just another tiresome AI generated shill account?
@@colliehouse3133 We know what the limit is but there's no common sense. I had a car 40 years ago that shook itself to bits at 70 mph and took twice as long to stop than cars do now. My current car can do over 120 and you wouldn't feel a single rattle or vibration and it has all sorts of tech to help it maintain a distance and even brake autonomously, so what's the reason for retaining a limit which is now absurd in a modern car - apart from to make money out of us? No speed camera has ever prevented an accident but they've caused plenty where people have spotted them at the last minute and hit the brakes, which means that if it was all about safety there's more reason to get rid of them than keep them.
Totally same. No points for 30 years now got 3 tickets in a year last was 79 in a 70 as well so rule doesn’t work. Just about making money from motorists for insurers and police. Anyone used anything better than Waze for detection?
In my last 2 BMW’s with the active cruise, you could set it so that below 40mph, I added 2mph and above 40mph I added 4mph. I used it all the time to control speed whether in urban or main roads. Also worth paying the £25 subscription for ‘safety’ cameras on the bmw connected drive site. Particularly useful if you have a HUD, but once done, in the idrive, you can also set it to make bong too.
Sounds like a dystopian nightmare.
Not really. Keep the fun driving to the B roads which are generally camera free.
Last year I got my first ever speeding ticket caught by the new type of unseen Vector SR cameras (36 in a 30) after over 50 years of driving and so took the awareness course. Strange though my car is also a 2022 model.
As regards the motorway variable speed cameras (with mandatory gantry warning signs in red circles) am I right in assuming you only get caught when you pass the second set of warning signs? In other words when they light up as you approach the gantry you would need to pass another gantry in excess of the speed limit before being 'flashed'?
I use cruise control even in 30 and 40 zones as it’s too easy in modern cars to build speed without being aware of it. Otherwise you have to keep checking your speed which is too distracting 👍
I need to get it correct on this X5 - I have self driving so will be trying it out
Even that's not foolproof though, they can change a speed limit downwards and if you miss the sign, which is easily done if, for example, you're behind a large vehicle or the weather is bad, especially at night, you still get caught anyway.
Something has to change because we all know it's just about the money. You can only push people so far, it's not going to end well.
Richard , are the tryres the correct size? Speedo calibrated correctly ?
Was this hand held speed camera ? Lazer sliding up the slope adding mph on sleek Porche shape?
Also speed limit signs are often defective , red circles not red , signs not lit .
I had a run of tickets 20 years ago . 5 speed cameras on a route with 22 signing defects !
Police , courts , councils all in a partnership. But failed to correct the road signs .
Also you can argue your job, employment of others air caring responsibilities to avoid a 12 point ban.
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Post on a Sunday boy what year is it 1840 ?
I don’t look at post it always costs me money 🤣🤦♂️
A driver in Southend has 46 points and is still not banned
Richard sorry to hear of your recent speeding tickets. Many years back I was done for 79 in a 70. I’d guess you and I were clocked at over 80 and they charged us with 79 so we could not challenge them over the accuracy of their measurements
I think you could be right!
Geoff’s friend (EV Carnage in RUclips so you can check out his videos on this) clocked up four 3 point speeding tickets and got a 6 month ban. The roads are awash with cameras so it’s all to easy now. Head of the London Black Cab Association said how many of his members were picking up multiple tickets and loosing their license. If you have acquired 5 then it may be worth employing a specialist solicitor if you need to keep your license; otherwise you may need to hire a driver for some time.
I could be hiring a driver very soon 🤣
A Rolls and a chauffeur maybe the way to go, cheaper than a race track, but admittedly less fun!
That was my thinking last night a nice electric rolls Royce self driving 🤣 I am looking for a wraith again miss that car!
This is unbelievable.. I must admit, I did laugh at challenge the ban!
It maybe soon!
Hang on now, are you saying that the 2022 car itself informing of your driving, or did you go past a camera? 😮
The car DOES inform on you. You didn’t know that?
They’re ONLINE at all times, at least when powered up.
If they receive the speed limit, they’re also recording your speed and GPS location, date and time.
@ wow. That's unreal. That be the cable I cut
The 10% +2mph as a rule is a myth, each counties police force use there own " forgiveness " rules, by the letter of the law 31mph is a ticket.
The 10% rule is to allow for manufacturing tolerances, including tyre manufacturers tolerances, and wear. The police aren't being kind when they allow you 10%, they know that if a case is taken to court and it can be proven that accumulated tolerances within a car, and those between manufacturers (not all manufacturers work to the same tolerances), render speed assessment an approximation within certain tolerances then the case will be thrown out.
The +2mph rule is generally considered user tolerance, e.g. at 6'2" I have a different perspective on an analogue speedometer than a 5'3" granny driving the same car. That, arguably, is a concession.
And whatever you do, do not rely on your phone, or an after market SatNav to tell you your speed. The only piece of equipment acceptable to courts for judging your speed is a manufacturer fitted device, i.e. your car's speedometer.
My understanding is, a SatNav averages speed over the short period of time between transmission and reception, which is not continuous, between your phone and the satellite signal. It's also subject to climatic conditions.
By the letter of the law you are correct, 31mph is a ticket, but that 31 MPH is 33MPH + 2MPH = 31MPH.
There are also speed detecting device manufacturing tolerances, but they seem to be pretty well ignored and are probably too small to be relevant.
My friend camera enforcement told me of 2 speed awareness rule one for the 30 and other for the motorway 70 rule . So you could be offered 2 in those examples
You still maintain you got pinged for 33 and 34 in a 30? You weaken your case by claiming that. Prosecution only starts at 35. Anyway apart from that I agree with the rest. 79 in a 70 is gonna get one. Look up the NPCC guidelines.
PS why not get a dashcam with GPS you can review it when you get one (or have a look at it when you think you might get one)
Stuff all the apps and tech, mobiles and aids, you can't guarantee they're set up right.
All that said, are you now picking up on it? They don't want us in cars at all. ICE or EVs. And until then, they will continue to milk us.
There's no pont in speed awareness courses when everything is on camera and it takes an age to tell you that you need a course.
Is it because you’re getting old and your attention isn’t what it once was? 😅
I stopped doing 80 a few years ago as they are so much stricter these days, I just cruise at 70. I notice all traffic seems slower now, 80 used to be very much the norm and un written rule, my guess is the cars warning people more has slowed people down. Maybe that is why they are clamping down now, they need to catch people and hit targets and bring in funds so its now the 80 drivers getting stung
💯 getting old 🤣
I agree - I think fewer people drive at 80 on the motorway compared to 20 years ago when it was the defacto limit. I generally stick the cruise to 73 (a real 70/71) and then don't have to worry, and many seem to be about this speed nowadays, at least in my part of the UK.
I don't think it's anything to do with cars warning people, it's because there are more and more cameras that cannot distinguish between safely driving a little over the speed limit. Police only really used to bother with the lunatics that drove as fast as they could regardless of the conditions or traffic, but cameras catch everybody going over a certain speed even on an empty road at 3 a.m.
Here's the solution don't break the speed limit. The ACPO guidelines of 10% + 2 mph is discretionary, but does NOT apply to speed cameras.
Will try the self driving
My sympathies are with you, we motorists are all delicious cash cows in the eye of the law. You own and drive a lot of fast cars, going back to older cars may give you a more visceral, less robotic drive and improve the feeling of speed. But you can exceed the speed limit in an older car just the same as a new one unfortunately. 🤦♂️
Might be worth you checking the accuracy of the speedo's in these newer electric cars especially. They used to make speedos roughly over read by about 2mph at 30mph and it would be more like 4 or 5mph at 70mph. Can use a GPS device or a phone app to check it. As cars now have speed alerts and things like that, who knows maybe the tolerance has been reducing? The mani reason for the deliberate difference was so that as devices age, if their accuracy fails then theres never a sitiation where they under read. This said, this all started back in the analogue days, now they are digital, whi knows?
I will have give this self driving a go now!
Richard, it’s incredibly infuriating but harsh as it may sound you’ve only got yourself to blame, the speed limit isn’t a surprise. Like others have helpfully pointed out you should use Waze without exception on every journey. The days of enjoying a blast on public roads are long gone. In 2018 I owned eleven cars including a 675LT Spider, GT3RS and 488 Spider amongst others. In 2019 I got caught speeding at 83mph on the M3 and then in 2021 caught at 34 in a 30 zone in Bradford. Guess how many supercars I now own? That’s right, none! There’s no fun in motoring any more, mobile police vans and potholes the size of volcanic craters have put paid to that. A simple diesel X5 and a 2015 Boxster GTS will do me now. Never thought I’d see the day I’d give up my love of cars having been mad about them since the age of 3 but 55 years later I’m finally done with them. And don’t get me started about all the latest electric and tech riddled nonsense now being thrust upon us. In the last 10 years I’ve bought over 50 new cars, for the first time in 20 years I don’t have any new cars on order. Enjoying motoring is sadly a thing of the past.
Three wheel van is coming back out for a drive!
It always worries me when on the M5 and M42 when for some random reason the average speed limit can go from 70 to 40 mph and anywhere in-between. We all knew truckers don't give a struff about speed limits or even using the 'fast' lane in the M5 or M42 road works when the limit is 50mph.
Why not use a speed limiter, set at limit plus give or take 10%? All modern cars have it now.
I do that always now, unless on a rare occasion I forget.
I am going to have to do this but 32years and no tickets now 4!
That's ok if it is a decent road with one limit. Locally there's a road that has 50mph, 40mph, 30mph,20mph all over the place. You need a co driver to reset the speed limiter!
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Yes, but my EV reads those changing limits and sets them accordingly.
That's why I said most modern cars have that function :)
What I have noticed is the fords I have driven recently are geared that I am in 3rd gear to keep it under 30 when I try to go to 4th to drive economically the engine labours so when I go to 4th it takes me over 30 so easily into ticket terriitory
Stay in the appropriate gear then. Simple.
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Caffeine and Machine opened new site near me (West Meon, Hampshire). Simultaneously average speed cameras for about 5 miles on each approach road were added…. These roads are in the middle of nowhere……Ker-ching🤦🏻♂️
Hopefully all this money is well spent!
Exact 10%+2 mph speeding tickets. Yep i had 2 tickets in a year after over 25 years of no tickets. 35mph in 30 and 68 in a 60. Suspicious, maybe
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Do you recall this? David Beckham avoids speeding prosecution after lawyer 'Mr Loophole' finds technicality
The retired footballer posts a selfie stuck in traffic as his lawyer Nick Freeman fights his case in court.
Friday 28 September 2018
Given your dislike for lawyers perhaps it’s time to give this guy a call?
Good luck 👍
Can you imagine what he charges? It would probably be cheaper to hire a driver for a year.
More cameras now and they know where to park them and at what times basically.
Rich, every force does its own thing with speed enforcement. Get yourself a very good solicitor, Nick Freeman comes to mind. You are at risk of losing your licence at 12 points, that’s the issue you face so get some good legal advice. To be honest, police forces and PCC’s make speeding a priority enforcement. You have to set your cruise control / speed warning if your car has one. Waze beeps when you exceed the speed limit. It’s the digital world we live in. Must admit I have a dash cam that I can look back on just to double check if I’m in the position of getting done. It’s more of a piece of mind thing so I can challenge if it came to it.
6 point here for 35 in a 30 handed to me at court few months back. Argued the rules only to be told they are only discretionary in other words 31 and could still be handed 3 points. Prior had clean licence. I was in a heavy line of traffic all doing the same speed but guess the nice car gets the fine right 🙄 Was one of those handheld cams operated by a local do-gooder, not even a proper pig. Apparently the have to prove you were issued the ticket within 14 days of the offence otherwise it can't be enforced 👍
That’s crazy! I will try the self driving this week
I hate cars that have really poor speedometers, I’ve been looking at the current shape Yaris’s and if you want a upper spec model Dynamic or Excel they come with a digital number readout only rather than an analogue clock like the basic ones, looks similar to sort of thing my mum had in a Citroen c3 in 2002. I like the newer 2024 model Yaris as it has a digital dash but you can lay the dashboard out like a regular car with nicely spaced numbers or tabs but it does have the speed warning that needs turning off everytime, as well as lane assist. Another mention is Skodas without digi dashes, terrible if your working in MPH, you be ok if you were in Europe as deffo made to suite KPH.
Currently drive a 2007 Fiesta which has every speed laid out 10, 20, 30 etc etc and a 2014 Fiesta which has 20,40,60 but good tabs between. Mini F56 was the same but the number in between aren’t clearly marked unless it’s a JCW.
Unfortunately with surveillance everywhere and more and more cameras it’s not good for the motorist where by you used to get caught by mostly and actual person. My last speeding conviction was at 22 years old and did slow me down and was my own doing, 40 in a 30, no speed awareness offered as over by too much. That road is now a 20. Lower and lower speed limits everywhere but cars are safer than ever supposedly. I’m now 38 and touch wood no more tickets but I feel now the chances are higher than ever.
I know if you go beyond the 12 points you need to prove in court that a ban would cause “exceptional hardship”. Needs to be more than an inconvenience. Worth a google and would get some legal advice to make sure you can go in with some reasons that can back it up.
The other thing people forget to mention, especially the smartarses who never speed and say it's your own fault, yada yada, is that on modern cars, especially more powerful cars, a speedometer can read up to 200 mph or more. For example, mine reads up to 180. So if you're doing 22 in a 20 zone, that's probably the needle moving less than 2 millimeters between those two measurements round the dial which you're supposed to spot and register your exact speed in your head while taking your eyes off the road for a split second, even assuming it's static, i.e. you're driving at a constant speed. By anybody's standards it's ludicrous to expect anybody to be able to do that accurately while driving.
2 speed awareness courses?
Thought it was only 1 course then cant do Anouther for 3 years
I thinks its 2 courses no more then points
@@Challengetheroadjust double check because I keep seeing 3 year gap between courses
Fair play for doing a video on this not many people let alone youtubers would be this honest with audience
I think your future with your cars and driving with depend on insurance costs.
I had 6 points for no insurance which I hold my hands up as a genuine mistake. I have 5 cars and wont be making that mistake again, we all learn but I don’t do auto renew for that reason anymore.
Went from £600 to £900 a year focus mk3 not too bad with 6 points. Its 9 + where you really see costs increase big time and alot of insurance companies not insuring either.
3 years is up and back to 0 and have a buffer of a speed awareness course but im taking delivery in 3 weeks of a maserati gts have to be very carefull 😅
@@ChallengetheroadIt use to be one every five years I think, but it’s now one every three years. If you had two forces involved they may have overlapped in offering you a course.
Turn on the speed alert. It'll give you the nod to lift your foot. Or pop on the limiter, then you can hammer it on acceleration but not go over the limit. The trouble is, as you know, EVs are fun and its very easy to speed.
Two options Richard. Sinclair c5 or Robin Reliant 😂
You know what that’s not a bad shout - lets get the Reliant out on the road!
I got done in wales for doing 25mph in 20 zone 👀💀.
I hate opening post and email, stresses me out, it’s always shit to deal with, I need a desert island with a track on it and I’d be happy
Opening the post always costs me money that’s why I leave it so long to get from the post box 🤣
Ok this is legalised extortion; my son got a ticket where the photo shows he is avoiding a motorcycle that is clearly on his side of the road and he has literally only tyre on the white line of a bus lane…. £60 ticket. Could I fight it… sure, but the hassle and time is massive. They know this and “are playing the numbers” … ITS A MONEY MAKING SCAM
This labour government hates cars and would prefer if we all used public transport. Abolish the 20 MPH limit unless near a school or old peoples home.
Luckily i drive on the same roads I know where the fixed cameras are & i know where the mobiles sit…still got 6pts but they were on different roads that i don’t usually drive on🤷♂️
The 10% + 2 mph rule isn't used by every police force/ council.
Councils can't prosecute for speed full stop
Tell me which force prosecutes under 10%+2 (and evidence it) as they would not be following the NPCC agreed guidelines
It's not written into legislation
@@markstead7867 not sure which of my points you're responding to, but whichever one, show me an instance of either occuring.
@angleseyandy9110 London council, lambeth council have the power to issue speeding fines, as for the 10%+2mph, different county's have different guidelines, it is not written into legislation as you say, often police themselves believe it is, but if you search The Blackbelt Barrister, Speeding and the "10% plus 2 Rule". What you Need to know, I also belive he did a shorts video where he also explains about the different County/Council's views on tolerance.
@markstead7867 what I need to know is:
1. All forces follow the NPCC guidelines, unless you can cite a recent successful prosecution where they didn't; and
2. Councils have certain powers to fine for som moving traffic offences, but speeding is not one of them, again unless you are able to cite otherwise.
I'm fully aware of BBB's content. Maybe he can help you to locate any of the above to back up your suggestions? Until then, my opinion will not vary.
I had to do a speed awareness course for 34 in a 30. Mind it was a road which IMO could have been a 60, should at least be a 40. Police officer was hidden behind an overhanging tree. Very difficult to listen to the patronising lectures knowing full well you were driving perfectly safe for the conditions. There's a difference between being over the limit and driving too quickly IMO.
The reason 32 years all fine was we never had all the cameras in the good days, now hardly a single road exists without a secret money making machine Trap.. So bad near me going for drive once a joy is nothing short of a challenge to miss potholes, dodge silly pushbikers and slow in time for hidden cameras.. The stopping us drive is working well as now i think i can not be bothered to have a flash fast car !!! Its just a waste so may have an old banger..
32 years of driving you've not been caught speeding, which is not the same as not speeding over those 32 years. It's not that it's legal to go 10% + 2mph over the speed limit, it's that in the past there has been the general acceptance that cameras are calibrated to that. Is camera technology getting better? The tolerances turned down? Cars are "hiding" their speed? End of the day if you're going over the speed limit, the risk is you can get prosecuted, however low the perceived risk is.
The point is it's just plain wrong. Just because some misguided bunch of bureaucrats make it law doesn't make it right. I got fined for hitting 36 mph at 3 a.m. in the morning on a country lane with nobody around for miles, didn't even see another car let alone a pedestrian so virtually ZERO risk to anybody, not tat 36 is much of a risk most of the time anyway - the vast majority of accidents are caused by carelessness, people pulling out and not looking and so on, not by speed so motorists are being persecuted for no real reason other than to make money out of them and THAT is not the reason the law exists.
@@severnsea Your perception of risk of the circumstances of your speeding fine, and that of the fairness of law is your subjective opinion you are entitled to hold. The objective truth is that you entered into a contract with the government, whereby they give you a licence to drive in return to you agreeing to a set of rules around executing that licence. We all break some of those rules probably every time we drive, and 99.99% of the time we do that without consequence, but there is always the chance that we may be subject to the law being imposed.
Have your speedometer calibrated.
Richard I would love to see an analysis of this - growth in speeding fines by county, impact on insurance premiums for numbers of points and I am guessing but limited correlation to road safety outcomes suggesting this is all about money not road safety particularly given a lot of these fines like the 79 in 70 are on open motorway / main A roads. I wonder what proportion of motorists now have 3 points min - my guess is a lot so is this just the new norm and another Labour stealth tax?.
3rd gear a 30 and 4th in a 40 works for me in an ICE car as you can hear the engine. Older cars rule.
Take the cases to court, cops bound not to turn up for alll of them.
OMG 😮 I feel your pain ……. been there got the t-shirt and like you I don’t use lawyers. I’ve got thoughts, but probably wait for your second episode update. For sure you need to focus on a strategy to keep your license 🤔
Going to try the self drive this week
I read the 10% rule was dropped but not sure
I will check this later
I don't think it will be too long before speeding will be classified as a war crime. Then you will have to drive around in something slow, like an old Allegro, which, of course, is a crime against humanity. It is jail whatever way you look at it.
Gutted Richard especially with a new Yaris they are a temptation on toast I think 79 in a 70 is 3 points but you can have 12 points & still keep your licence.
Very unlucky , I use the Tom Tom app on my iPhone and waze together .
Going to use self drive this week!
DO NOT simply accept their 'so called' facts of your alleged speeding.
Do the Maths on the timings supplied. I was sent a NIP for the very same speed (79) (speed cameras) and although their calculations were, on the face of it, correct, my lawyer successfully argued that THEIR equipment has a margin of error also, so, the 79 mph could not be relied upon.
Case dismissed😂.
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Modern cars mask the speed they are doing. We are too cosseted in our tin boxes. Even a modern 1 litre car is perfectly able to mask its speed. Automatic transmissions, high gearing and “free-wheeling” features contrive to fool us. I’ve not tried electric or hybrid but with even fewer mechanical cues, we are levelled to the age of bongs and beeps.
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Sorry for another post had another thought, just make sure nobody has cloned your registration plates and the locations / times match your journeys as it’s a real issue around the country. Especially with you being a RUclipsr on your cars being on display.
I hope so! I will check
am 53 travel for work a lot got 79mph fine not all county use 10% plus 2mph they reduced it to 10% plus 1 . worst of it I was squirting passed to make space and safer from bunched up traffic speeding up and slamming on the brakes coming up to speed cameras .
Speed ticket for doing 79 in a 70.
No surprise there. Did your foot slip? 😂
Very wet day 🤣
unfortunately for me and everyone else for me it the rise in automatic gearboxes that’s been my downfall and following other users all doing similar speed so it kind of normalises it but no excuse.
Manual cars hold revs if kept in 3rd in a 30 you’ll probably never exceed. Excluding you exotic stuff
Another is older cars were smaller and noisier and gave an indication of speed. Now double glazing and insulation etc take a classic mini drive
Never a fine now 2 off belt when I got autos will be same on your electric or hybrid cars
Similar to me
35+ years without a speeding ticket
Get an electric, and caught at 24 mph in a 20 zone
The speed limiters do not always work. I had set mine to auto cruise, but system didn’t perform pick up change from 30 down to 20 until 1/2 mile into the zone.
You're lucky you don't live in Wales. I just got one for 27 in poxy 20.
I am driving down to Wales soon! I so will banned by the time I get back
@@Challengetheroad Good luck to you it's bloody horrible here, Average speed cameras everywhere. I got cocky regularly doing 30 and got away with it, they must have switched the damn things on just before Christmas. A nice prezzie for me lol.
Previous two cars were somewhat of the sporty leaping cat engine types and have been driving for decades with no speeding convictions. As I'm of advancing years I thought a more sedate electric car was in order and by the way where can you drive a 155mph car in this pathetic country anyway? So we now get a fine for speeding in a 30mph zone, ok I was going like a loony at 37mph.
They put the mobile speed trap where you come round a bend from a 50mph zone and where there are other hazards like a dangerous junction right on the bend. You are too occupied looking out for road hazards to be staring at your speed indication and as an electric car is so quiet you have little aural indication of speed anyway.
Interestingly when I did the "speed awareness course" the other participants were of the older generation like myself and not some boy racer types.
34 in a 30 is very harsh
Happy to look after the 22b and the Evo TME for you if you get a driving ban!! 😂
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Driving like a bat out of hell 😂 was caught once racing an unmarked cop got up to 120 in a TT RS luckily for me he let me off he was on a call. I really thought I was toasted 😂. Hope you luck sounds grim 4 tickets would be worried myself on that basis.
It’s crazy getting a helicopter 🚁 and a race track next 🤣
O'dear how depessing. Hope you can sort it out and avoid a ban. If you do ,you are probably going to be ultra careful in the future. With all those cars,this is very bad news. You may have to employ a driver . Perhaps your daughter can help you out in her Fiat 500. If not and you need a lift, I have a lot of free time and am not far away. Currently clean licence.😊.
Getting a helicopter 🚁 next 🤣
At least it will be an ICE vehicle.😉❄️
At least it will be an ICE vehicle,so should be okay 😉❄️.
Have you seen the new cameras coming. Be scared
Not watched it all yet but I would wager your speeding was caught by a non human! …like you 30 years never had speeding ticket and I regularly travel to Manchester to London twice a month always set my cruise control sane speed for years gone past many a cop car and nothing. The minute I go on M1 with thousand cameras get fine for 79mph by a box minding my own business late at night with no one else around me….feel cheated tbh a real copper wouldn’t have stopped me.
Ouch.
So you’ve finally been caught. Not sure what the story is here. You would have been driving at 79 for a sustained period.
Not necessarily.
It’s not the car is it, behave. You clearly do quite a few miles and need to slow down.
I will do next time!
Use acc
This is a pointless video. An old man refusing to take responsibility for his actions but instead looking for who to blame. It's not new cars, electric cars etc... it's you mate. Be mindful of your speed.
Thanks - will get that self driving mobility scooter soon so all good 😊
So you're not worried about big brother and the security state we live in? Nasty, stupid comment.
@sweetfreedomGB it's not big brother, the rules and laws are there for a reason. It's there especially for foolish people like you who will not use their common sense and do the right thing. It's called LAW... fool!
I can sort them all for you shout me
sent you a DM on IG