Just to add to the confusion the Australian military calles it a pack march. Just a suggestion with weight distribution in your pack, you really want the heavy stuff close to your body and low down, not high up, this is especially important if you are on uneaven ground. A sleeping bag at the bottom is good so you have something soft down low to protect you from getting poked by something hard in the bum that then turns into chafing and then blisters, trust me love handles and bum blisters are not fun. Having weight up high and further away from your body will also make the pack move more on your back increasing the speed of chafing and the likelihood of you becoming unbalance while moving over hard terain. Also the clip of you jogging at the end of the video, I would suggest against bouncing/jogging because it is horrible on your knees and will be harder on them in boots. Long strides are the best way to make long distances with a pack on, a good pace is to try for initially is 10 minute kilometers with the weight you have that should be an achievable pace for the 24km (not including a 5 minute break or 2). Swinging your hands forcefully helps keep the pace up, you will get pain in the shins until you warm up (2 or so km), a small shuffle every few hundred meters also helps releave the shin pain but makes the warmup take longer. Also the pack will become more comfortable over time, it takes a while to "break in" but it's not that long. Started watching you because of the Zwift videos but loving the adventure. I am sort of the opposite to you, I used to be super fit and athletic but 20 years in the military has taken it's toll on my body and I started riding on zwift as it was a low impact and easy to do exercise at home.
As a former individual who served: use zip lock bags and place your clothes etc in several and vacuum them - it saves huge space and also keeps everything dry. Pull the shoulder and waist straps tight. Hydrate and eat real food. Also - the route is lot bad foot wise though Jacob’s ladder is a little steep. The turnaround is brutal as you have to run back up the path 😂
@@guywithhisownopinion You do not have the revacume them per se. Just squeeze the air out manually as you zip the bags up. Sure, not as good as doing it properly, but still 90% as effective.
Hi Ryan, I did the winter Fan Dance in January of this year and it was an amazing experience but also bloody hard. I also used extra water in a water bag to get the weight up and it worked really well 👍. I’m no expert but feel free to reach out if you have any questions about the challenge.
You'll want to make sure that you adjust the shoulder and waist belt. When adjusted you can get it so that your waist belt is carrying a lot of the weight which saves your shoulders. As others have said you may want to reconsider how you are packing your bag. Heavy weight should be close to your back and lower for stability. I prefer to only pack the things that need to be dry inside of the trash bag, clothes and sleeping bag. Things that don't matter if they get wet can stay outside of the trash bag.
Hey Ryan, The water bladder fits in the sleeve of your Bergan next to your back. I suspect there’s even a hole on one side near the top to feed your hose through. Lose the pack the bladder comes in, as you don’t need it just use the bladder it’s self. It’s how it’s actually designed to be used. Like the Ozzie guy suggested don’t stick the weight all at the top keep it closer to your back, to stop it swaying around, a doss bag in the bottom is pretty standard and a good idea. Enjoy mate 👍
The bladder is part of the pack. Having it in the top is intentional. I opted not to buy the add on bladder as its easier to refill as I've done it. Thanks for the comment.
Good luck fella. I completed my first in January and will be doing it again. I discovered the hard way the importance of a good bag. I used a ex army DPM bergen but the arms had long since perished and I reinforced them with pieces of old yoga mat which still didn't suffice. I've since bought a Snugpak Rocketpak which is outstanding and totally alleviated the shoulder pain. My top tip for the event is to not underestimate the Old Roman Road section. A lot gets spoken about the yomp up Pen y Fan and the return up Jacob's Ladder, but the Old Roman Road is dreadful on the way back - very loose and craggy underfoot and slightly uphill. Jacob's Ladder is horrendous too. I've never felt cramp like it. Drink drink drink, eat eat eat, and ignore that little voice in your head telling you to stop, and you'll be fine. Tape up your toes too.
Just a quick one, you mentioned water briefly to add to your ruck weight; i dont know if the fan dance does the same thing but for the real selection the weight doesnt include water and the end weight needs to remain the minimum weight (apologies if i misunderstood what you said and you already knew 😂)
Yes, it's the same. 35lbs then plus water but I used water bottles as dead weight of which I'm allowed 5lbs. Water as dead weight can be used in an emergency and is better than bricks.
Hi Ryan, I'm also doing the summer Fan Dance, and after watching videos from @GrittySoldier I also have a Crossfire DG3. I've gone down the individual canoe bag route inside the pack, as the bin bag idea means that you have limited access inside the pack, and you lose the functionality of the front zip. I suppose one thing to remember though is that for the duration of the Fan Dance, hopefully all being well, you wont actually need to get anything out of your pack. Anyway, keep up the training. See you at the start line!
You're right. There will be no need to access the pack during the Fan Dance unless your water/energy/food is inside which is why I've packed all that on the outside. Good luck in your training. 💪
IIRC it’s 35lb plus food and water. Get a survival bag much better than a foil blanket. Keep that for your turkey at Chrimbo. Get wet food as you can eat that cold in an emergency
Find a Bergen Liner by the likes of Exped. Get three smaller ones too for sleeping bags, spare clothes, and the third for odds and ends. All this is a one off investment and quality counts, but you may well get hooked on the hobby and use the kit more than once!
@@RyanCondon Well done, great thing to do. Forgot, no river crossing! Bin liners are great until they are not. One off events then doing the adventure is more important than Kit, though some level of kit is a must for safety. Waterproof stuff sacks such as Exped are a sensible investment. Quality waterproof begen liner and a four smaller waterproof bag pack system (whatever you need will be in one of the four bags) has worked for me for many years. Stops stopping the adventure because all the kit is soaking. Just saying.
@@RyanCondon it was a bit chilly but honestly an unreal day, zero expectations. I kept it super low level even stopped for a pack up lunch at the turn around 😂
Hello Ryan I really enjoyed this video, thank you for making it. Was the VAT included in the purchase or did you get charged when you picked it up? Also how much duty did you have to pay? I want to buy one myself but I'm unsure of the extra costs. Thank you for your time. Just subscribed 👍
Hi Samuel, I think I did have to pay Tax, just under £100 and the delivery charge was quite a bit too. Definitely cost a lot more than I hoped but I needed a decent backpack so spent the money but I would say there are probably more cost effective options in the UK.
That camel back should just attach to the back of your bag without having to put it in the top like that, Also I know it’s cash however you can definitely get a smaller sleeping bag and first aid kit just to save space while keeping the weight
Sleeping bag is good when stuffed in. I'm not lacking in space. The CamelBak is an intentional decision as I don't want to be digging into the bag to refill water. Check out my run 10 miles with it vid, works a treat.
Nothing.. It was a joke as UPS let me down, I obviously need to work on my repertoire. Pleased you got this far into the vid, less pleased this is what you felt compelled to comment on.
Now watch me run 10 miles carrying it... ruclips.net/video/jvUCGA9ti98/видео.htmlsi=tLH61wG9CX_5_SCp
Just to add to the confusion the Australian military calles it a pack march.
Just a suggestion with weight distribution in your pack, you really want the heavy stuff close to your body and low down, not high up, this is especially important if you are on uneaven ground.
A sleeping bag at the bottom is good so you have something soft down low to protect you from getting poked by something hard in the bum that then turns into chafing and then blisters, trust me love handles and bum blisters are not fun.
Having weight up high and further away from your body will also make the pack move more on your back increasing the speed of chafing and the likelihood of you becoming unbalance while moving over hard terain.
Also the clip of you jogging at the end of the video, I would suggest against bouncing/jogging because it is horrible on your knees and will be harder on them in boots. Long strides are the best way to make long distances with a pack on, a good pace is to try for initially is 10 minute kilometers with the weight you have that should be an achievable pace for the 24km (not including a 5 minute break or 2).
Swinging your hands forcefully helps keep the pace up, you will get pain in the shins until you warm up (2 or so km), a small shuffle every few hundred meters also helps releave the shin pain but makes the warmup take longer. Also the pack will become more comfortable over time, it takes a while to "break in" but it's not that long.
Started watching you because of the Zwift videos but loving the adventure. I am sort of the opposite to you, I used to be super fit and athletic but 20 years in the military has taken it's toll on my body and I started riding on zwift as it was a low impact and easy to do exercise at home.
Thanks for taking the time to write this. Good tips. Appreciate it.
As a former individual who served: use zip lock bags and place your clothes etc in several and vacuum them - it saves huge space and also keeps everything dry. Pull the shoulder and waist straps tight. Hydrate and eat real food. Also - the route is lot bad foot wise though Jacob’s ladder is a little steep. The turnaround is brutal as you have to run back up the path 😂
Thanks for the tips. I'm looking forward to it.
So how do hou revacume stuff once you've opened them?
@@guywithhisownopinion You do not have the revacume them per se. Just squeeze the air out manually as you zip the bags up. Sure, not as good as doing it properly, but still 90% as effective.
Hi Ryan,
I did the winter Fan Dance in January of this year and it was an amazing experience but also bloody hard. I also used extra water in a water bag to get the weight up and it worked really well 👍. I’m no expert but feel free to reach out if you have any questions about the challenge.
Welldone on completing it. Bloody amazing achievement. 💪
@@RyanCondon Thank you 🙏
You'll want to make sure that you adjust the shoulder and waist belt. When adjusted you can get it so that your waist belt is carrying a lot of the weight which saves your shoulders. As others have said you may want to reconsider how you are packing your bag. Heavy weight should be close to your back and lower for stability. I prefer to only pack the things that need to be dry inside of the trash bag, clothes and sleeping bag. Things that don't matter if they get wet can stay outside of the trash bag.
Thanks for the tips.
Hey Ryan,
The water bladder fits in the sleeve of your Bergan next to your back. I suspect there’s even a hole on one side near the top to feed your hose through. Lose the pack the bladder comes in, as you don’t need it just use the bladder it’s self. It’s how it’s actually designed to be used. Like the Ozzie guy suggested don’t stick the weight all at the top keep it closer to your back, to stop it swaying around, a doss bag in the bottom is pretty standard and a good idea. Enjoy mate 👍
The bladder is part of the pack. Having it in the top is intentional. I opted not to buy the add on bladder as its easier to refill as I've done it. Thanks for the comment.
It is a lot of money for a backpack but your shoulders will thank you after the race
They're already thanking me. 10 miles ran with it relatively easily. Worth every penny. 👍
Good luck fella. I completed my first in January and will be doing it again. I discovered the hard way the importance of a good bag. I used a ex army DPM bergen but the arms had long since perished and I reinforced them with pieces of old yoga mat which still didn't suffice. I've since bought a Snugpak Rocketpak which is outstanding and totally alleviated the shoulder pain. My top tip for the event is to not underestimate the Old Roman Road section. A lot gets spoken about the yomp up Pen y Fan and the return up Jacob's Ladder, but the Old Roman Road is dreadful on the way back - very loose and craggy underfoot and slightly uphill. Jacob's Ladder is horrendous too. I've never felt cramp like it. Drink drink drink, eat eat eat, and ignore that little voice in your head telling you to stop, and you'll be fine. Tape up your toes too.
Top man! Thanks for the tips. Welldone on your achievements. Awesome!
It’s part of it they repeat this day on day till the phase is over. The best of the best
I've watched your videos & your journey with zwift.take a bow my friend you're a few inspiration💪
Thank you Andy. 🙌
Army = Tab / Royal Marines = Yomp!
More names for a long run with a backpack. 😅
Your Own Marching Pace ,,, 😂 similar to Tabing only a lot slower. 👌
Damn, Ryan. This is a serious challenge. It's not just "throw the stuff in a rucksack". You have to give it a fair bit of thought.
Forcing me to think about prep... Learning new skills. 😅
Just a quick one, you mentioned water briefly to add to your ruck weight; i dont know if the fan dance does the same thing but for the real selection the weight doesnt include water and the end weight needs to remain the minimum weight (apologies if i misunderstood what you said and you already knew 😂)
Yes, it's the same. 35lbs then plus water but I used water bottles as dead weight of which I'm allowed 5lbs. Water as dead weight can be used in an emergency and is better than bricks.
Hi Ryan, I'm also doing the summer Fan Dance, and after watching videos from @GrittySoldier I also have a Crossfire DG3. I've gone down the individual canoe bag route inside the pack, as the bin bag idea means that you have limited access inside the pack, and you lose the functionality of the front zip. I suppose one thing to remember though is that for the duration of the Fan Dance, hopefully all being well, you wont actually need to get anything out of your pack. Anyway, keep up the training. See you at the start line!
You're right. There will be no need to access the pack during the Fan Dance unless your water/energy/food is inside which is why I've packed all that on the outside. Good luck in your training. 💪
IIRC it’s 35lb plus food and water. Get a survival bag much better than a foil blanket. Keep that for your turkey at Chrimbo. Get wet food as you can eat that cold in an emergency
Find a Bergen Liner by the likes of Exped. Get three smaller ones too for sleeping bags, spare clothes, and the third for odds and ends. All this is a one off investment and quality counts, but you may well get hooked on the hobby and use the kit more than once!
@@muskett4108 after the rain when I did the Fan Dance last week, i promise bin liners worked just as well.
@@RyanCondon Well done, great thing to do. Forgot, no river crossing! Bin liners are great until they are not. One off events then doing the adventure is more important than Kit, though some level of kit is a must for safety. Waterproof stuff sacks such as Exped are a sensible investment. Quality waterproof begen liner and a four smaller waterproof bag pack system (whatever you need will be in one of the four bags) has worked for me for many years. Stops stopping the adventure because all the kit is soaking. Just saying.
Good luck with the fan dance, my profile picture is from a run I did up there early last year.
Winter is another level. Looks chilly.
@@RyanCondon it was a bit chilly but honestly an unreal day, zero expectations. I kept it super low level even stopped for a pack up lunch at the turn around 😂
@@evanmclean4893 half way picnic. Now this sounds like a challenge I can get on board with. 🤣
Love the video. Doing this next summer. What site you getting the emergency rations from?
As many as 20 soldiers have died during SAS selection... Good luck then 😮 you did say your future wife doesn't watch your streams 😂
Hello Ryan I really enjoyed this video, thank you for making it. Was the VAT included in the purchase or did you get charged when you picked it up? Also how much duty did you have to pay? I want to buy one myself but I'm unsure of the extra costs. Thank you for your time. Just subscribed 👍
Hi Samuel, I think I did have to pay Tax, just under £100 and the delivery charge was quite a bit too. Definitely cost a lot more than I hoped but I needed a decent backpack so spent the money but I would say there are probably more cost effective options in the UK.
@@RyanCondon Okay. Thank you very much for your reply I appreciate it. All the best 👍
That camel back should just attach to the back of your bag without having to put it in the top like that,
Also I know it’s cash however you can definitely get a smaller sleeping bag and first aid kit just to save space while keeping the weight
Sleeping bag is good when stuffed in. I'm not lacking in space.
The CamelBak is an intentional decision as I don't want to be digging into the bag to refill water. Check out my run 10 miles with it vid, works a treat.
RMC call it Yomping so its a minefield. Call it what you like sir.
Thank you cukoosnest! I appreciate you watching as well.
Here is my first attempt at a TAB or Ruck where I nearly destroy my shoulders. ruclips.net/video/-OjUOB1xVUk/видео.htmlsi=DSmCpmd1RAk4my26
Does the backpack not have a water bladder pocket built into the back? It cost enough, it should do lol 😂 ps loving the video
There's an add-on but I liked the CamelBak idea of it being on top for accessibility
TAB is short for Tactical Advance to Battle.
👌🏻 👌🏻
Australia never being part of EU, not sure what impact Brexit had
Nothing.. It was a joke as UPS let me down, I obviously need to work on my repertoire. Pleased you got this far into the vid, less pleased this is what you felt compelled to comment on.
I enjoyed the video, will be keeping Tabs on your progress, best of luck.@@RyanCondon
@@neil1964100 thanks.