Exactly, but if your unlucky like me and live in dumbstralia, the goverments just work out other ways to rape you, like 50% tax , gst, 40c per litre of TAX ontop of petrol thats ALready taxed with GST... wildy expensive fines, registration tolls and insurances etc. Theres no escape, we need to find out how the elites do it and skullfuck everyone in our way to get to the top and set our own laws, there is no other alternative.
Totally agreed. At the end of the day, cars are a product, exactly as clothes or tv, etc... So there are people who like a kind of cars and other don't.
A new issue at least in the UK is where people are stealing the cables at the charging stations for the tiny bit of copper, disabling the charging stations.
It’s a big con. The timescales being adopted by governments to force people to adopt these vehicles is all about taking away personal transport from ‘peasants’.
That's the biggest fear that I have concerning these things. The technology has been around for a long time, and the reason that they have not been developed is because of the serious flaws inherent in the system. Musk has fame on his side and he can use his fame to convince people that these cars are the solution to the problem. Politicians are not informed, and none of them understand concepts that are broader than their scope of influence. Car companies did not "kill" the EV, it was a suicide! The concepts get better, but battery storage is limited and has lots of problems that most people have no insight into. This will move into legislation quickly because of an ill-informed public, and an un-informed legislator! Shady car dealers selling to politicians is a cliche, it's a punch line to a bad joke but it's comin!
nah... technology exist... i needed a car... i went shoping... and i said to myself... well self you can buy a 50 thousand dollar state of the art car that runs on electricity or i can buy a 25 thousand dollar car from bottem of the line bottem of the technology pile... and then i said to my self gee... at like 3 grand a year on gas alone and rising. thats like not even ten years with that car. then what will i make off it 4 grand. not to mention higher insurance prices and maintenence... then theres also solar which i need for my house anyways making electricity for my car entirely free
I didn't hear anything about the environmental impact of increased lithium production, or the other ingredients for the battery packs ! WHY NOT ? The pretend to be greens never mention this , WHY ?
Yeah, and just wait until EV's start showing up in wrecking yards. I don't know, maybe transporting and disposing of (or recycling of) hundreds of thousands of lithium-ion car batteries might not be that big of a deal! (environmentally speaking)
@@carlrood4457 You're right, I didn't think of that. Even though I knew the batteries aren't manufactured in the U.S. So it sounds like it won't be just Americans getting screwed on this deal!
@@carlrood4457 "Last year, Tesla reported that it achieved 92% battery cell material recovery in its new recycling process, and it recycled 1,300 tons of nickel, 400 tons of copper, and 80 tons of cobalt in 2020." That is with very few of the batteries making it back to tesla. Most are sold to homeowners who use them for a few more years. Lithium is not mined by children with rusty buckets and no shoes.
@@danharold3087 All batteries aren't recycled by Tesla. Moreover, it's still just 92% - which combines the high quality and poor quality lithium. If you think 8% isn't a big issue, try imagining it for every single car on the planet. Have you ever seen those massive 'colorful' pools used for Lithium extraction? It's killing the ecosystem thriving in the soil and is polluting the underground water. The problem isn't battery electric vehicles, the problem is LITHIUM batteries. Shift to Sodium, maybe. And I'm all for it.
This story totally missed some major EV environmental issues: -- What about - the RARE EARTH METALS that have to be sourced and mined for the production of EV batteries. Next, how the electricity gets produced - Just because you don’t have a tailpipe does not mean you are not producing emissions. Combustion engines produce energy, batteries just store energy (and the energy has to come from somewhere). It is a farce when EV owners think they are saving the planet, when you include the total supply and manufacturing chain - this isn’t true at all.
Of course they have environmental issues, but nothing close to the what the continuation of using petroleum for gasoline will do. Good news is, not only is the technology improving at a fast rate, less and less cobalt is being used for batteries; sodium and redox batteries don't use any plus it is highly likely in less than a decade, sodium will overtake lithium. The amount of petroleum needed to provide fuel for mining, manufacturing, EVs and thier batteries; and how much CO2 it will dump into the atmosphere, is small compared to the amount private vehicles use, using gasoline. Fossil Fuels raise serious risks for our grandchildren, but mining metal for batteries does not. Solar and wind are the best to use as a transition while phasing out the use of fossil fuels and buy time for the nuclear industry to get its act together. Petroleum is too valuable now to waste as gasoline. We should leave as most of it as we can in the ground so our kids and grandchildren can use it for plastics, paint., etc. The technology already exists to recycle wind turbines, but it is not worth it yet. By the time windmills and solar panels start wearing out in sufficient numbers, there will be a recycling market likewise for EV batteries. There is always recycling where there is valuable metal. In the meantime, the fossil fuel it takes to charge EVs and to manufacture them will dump much less CO2 into the atmosphere than private vehicles using internal combustion engines. One nice thing about EV battery cells is, they find a second use in stationary grid storage. As I mentioned, when there are enough of them to create a market, they will be recycled to reclaim the valuable metals just like any other high volume appliance does nowadays.Also the technology already exists to contain lead, mercury, and cadmium when recycling batteries and it is improving by the year to the point that in about 20 years the need for mining will be reduced substantially. All the other mineral and elements in a EV battery are fully recyclable even after being used as second-life batteries. Bottom line is that all energy sources and even recycling are dirty, The responsible choice to make is the least dirty one, not the one where you get to bill somebody else for the cleanup. What is being pumped into the atmosphere represents an enormous technical debt, which is much much more than all the tax expenditures and all the subsidies by all countries to wind and solar energy and EVs. The cheapest technology that produces electricity is utility scale solar, which has a much lower impact on the environment than that of fossil fuels.
@@rps1689 wow, please do some research and gather some facts and truth - realize that EV’s will NOT save the planet - it is a falsehood - If everyone drove an electric car, humanity would be way worse off. Period === ruclips.net/video/sytWLB4-W-M/видео.html ---
@@rps1689 The figure I read is that tesla is reclaiming 95% of the battery metals. Current these are batteries used internally during development as no end of life batteries are available for recycling. Used battery packs are being resold on ebay from between about $500 to something like $8,000 (buy it now price).
hahaha! of course they are not 0% footprint but do your research. You are cherry picking issues without any analysis. They are definitely a greener option
@@lesliehuegerich2314 Cherry Picking? That’s hilarious! China and India eat up whatever emission savings even if it is “way better”- Get real! (It’s funny how the larger world issues always get overlooked by greenies 😂😂
I don’t have the kind of cash flow to warrant purchasing a high priced EV. If the government are mandating all cars needs to be electric, they need to seriously look at who can really afford these EVs…
My brother bought a Used Chevy Ev 2017 with 30,000 miles on the Odometer for Only $13,000 dls his payment is $255dls a month,insurance $110 a month making a total of $365 a Month,most people can afford that given that my brother Gasoline bill was $480 dls a month is a bargain wich means the Car is paying itself no more Gasoline ever again,and no more Oil changes as well
@@magallon643 that’s great for your brother who may not be to drive long distance for work or for family purposes. Then the EV car fits the situation for him. It doesn’t fit most peoples need for distance driving. What about the cost to replace the batteries when it is depleted? People argue that EV doesn’t require maintenance cost, but there’s the hidden cost of the batteries.
@@enigmo20 It is even worse for retired people that mostly drive to shop or visit medical centers. Our old ICE cars will outlast us and we only buy the gas we need. Chances are we would not break even on a used EV.
@@danharold3087 I hear what you mean. Some people replying on here assumes that if they can afford an EV, why can’t everyone else? The hard truth is, there are some of us that just can’t.
@@enigmo20 i also think of people living in residential buildings and parks on the street, they can't charge at home, there will be not enough public chargers, and the ones installed will probably be very much neglected if not vandalized. Higher ups may want thos people to take public transport, but unless you live in downtown of big cities public transport is basically useless. I stopped taking buses years ago cause i don't want to spend 1 hour more to get to a place, and having no freedom for when i want to come back. Unless they put out some revolutionary technology that solves it all, EV should be targeted to a limited audience. Specifically, upper middle class families who have a huge driveway, solar panels and 3 cars, who just needs one of the cars to take the kids to school and go to work and grocery shopping. For the enviroment, they'd be better off putting nuclear reactors on cargo ships
Because all those IT guys have their head up their ass. They honestly need to get shit on heavily and learn and they’re on board with evil. Until then they’re just a bunch feygits
As an IT guy - not all. I don't immediately adopt every technical trinket before me. In a world of perpetual beta testing, I'm happy to wait until the bugs get worked out. "Bleeding edge" can cause a catastrophic loss of blood if you aren't careful.
If I understand correctly, lithium battery production is bad for the environment. Disposal of used lithium batteries isn't good for the environment either. Then there is the issue of how the electricity is generated, to charge the vehicle's batteries. Solar panel farms don't work so well on cloudy days, or at night. Wind farms have been known to fail in freezing weather and when they wear-out, their components are buried in large landfills, since they can't be recycled. When newer battery technology replaces lithium batteries, and the electricity supply production is resolved, EV vehicles may start making headway in replacing the internal combustion engine. As is stands now, EV's are a novelty item for those who can afford them, and only plan to use them for driving short distances.
Agreed. Tesla is only good for people that: -drive short distances, not frequent road trips -can charge at home in their garage, with 230 volts 50 amps -live in moderate weather. Extreme cold or heat is not good for EVs -can accept all of Elon Musk's hype and bullshirt
@@abigailslade3824 A Tesla driven in the cold winter, with heater on, will get less than 200 miles. I can put 300 miles of range in my gasoline car in 3 minutes, at thousands of gas stations. A Tesla has to charge for 30 minutes, and sometimes you have to wait in line too. Tesla Full Self Driving is years late, and *nowhere* *near* working as promised.
@@abigailslade3824 I totally agree. They have a range over 200 miles. I live in Texas, where I may want to visit relatives that live 200 miles away, and they don't have any charging stations near them. I could drive to locations close to me & home, but couldn't make longer trips that don't have charging stations. Texas is a big state with many miles between cities. I've also read that in freezing weather(or hot), the range is greatly reduced with lithium batteries. We just don't have the needed infrastructure in Texas to change to EV's at this time.
I live in a rural area, with large distances between work, home, and groceries, all in different towns. In winter, it is 0 degrees outside, in summer, it is normally around 100 degrees. EV's just don't work out here. Yet, my state is sunsetting gas car sales without lifting a finger to add in the needed infrastructure. I am not opposed to shifting to an EV, but where I live, they just aren't funtional.
Living my life as dictated by my car as opposed to driving my car as dictated by my life...I know what I would choose! This is doomed to fail. I used to drive from Sydney to Canberra and back again in a day... not with an EV.
Paris-Lyon (450km) is less than 2 hours by train and cheaper than taking the car. Anyway, petrol reserves are declining, there will be less and less, prices will go up and up. Keeping up with the petrol car will dictate your life anyway. Hopefully Australia will put good alternatives to cars for Sydney-Canberra (high speed train for instance).
@@johngonon1507 blablabla blablabla . stop repeating what you hear on news . Oil grows back ! first of all .. thats why petrol companies are going back to old fields not because they short elsewhere ! Just scamming you . Then va lire la transmutation biologique par Louis Kervran ... then see what they really hiding in the "LENR" fuel cell by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries ..
@@johngonon1507 we'll all be riding horses soon enough. ev's wont be enough. only for the rich people. the price per kw will sky rocket if everyones forced to use them, then they wont even be able to power thier homes.
@@johngonon1507 budapest - Venezia 700km in less then 7h . a good cozze sleep and then to Sardinia. Visit all best beaches with your car stay in Airbnb and then let’s visit Corsica . You can have you Lyon train , I’m not against it . You can also ride your e-scooter- i solute you , just keep right side. Can also quarantine yourself for life in your cave and the world would be greener . Or best is to get a fourth dose that’s the optimal way to solve all the worlds manufactured and fake issues .
@@sekainiheiwa3650 Well glad you can do it currently. In a few years it won't be possible anymore. And I never said that train solves all problems. I just compared Lyon-Paris versus Sydney-Canberra, which is much better by train if you have one (which apparently is not the case in Australia). Generalizing what I said to all situations in life is kind of pointless.
The biggest issue I see is a lot of the core demographic doesn't have the ability to charge at home. People in some neighborhoods in bigger cities often only have street parking available. People who live in apartments also can't just simply plug a cord into the car coming from the wall.
None of this has to do with what’s good for drivers, what’s good for communities, what’s good for citizens, or even what’s good for the earth. It is all about control. This is their way of making sure they have 100% control of who travels when, and where. They want us to live in the pods and eat the bugs. I want nothing to do with it
@@seank078 I know several people who went 'electric' and then back to ICE. It's not that electric isn't worthwhile, it just won't work for everyone. People need to wake up and study before buying.
I haven't heard all electric by 2030. I have heard NEW cars electric only. But it will take at least 20 years from then to clear the roads of ICE cars, assuming enough gas stations exist to support them.
@@JermaineMarcus Yes. And it reminds me of that picture tube TV switch for these costly $200 4k flat screen LCD TVs. Or the switch from the $150 or more cable or satellite TV monthly deals where they charge you $15 for "local/sports channels" and an additional $10 for "HD" for these new $65 over the internet TV deals where they don't charge any of that yet you still get all the same channels. Or these $39 or less phone over the internet plans where they don't charge you extra for long distance calls. I don't think any of that is going to work. Consumers are not going to put up with any of that. People want to pay more to get less. That's the way things work.
Stopping for 45 minutes during a road trip is a deal breaker. I can pump enough diesel for around 600 miles in about 5 minutes at a commercial pump. Stopping for 45 minutes every 300 miles adds 2 hours to a 900 mile day.
Actually, a 45 min charge gets you 80% so you'd be stopping every 240 miles (and that's only the case with a fast charger, God help you with the third party generic chargers). See how well they mislead people?
@@goldenrod8861 Even worse than I thought. My long road trip vehicle gets around 1,500 miles to a tank. It takes a while to pump 200 gallons of diesel from one nozzle though. Usually around 10 to 15 minutes.
So how often do you drive 900 miles a day, I never do and never will if I can help it. Also if you drive that much you most certainly should stop a couple of times for at least 30 minutes for crying out loud. Commercial drivers have to by law. EV's are really not for long distance driving anyway they are for commuting mostly at this point so your argument really is moot. Also I can add 100 miles of range on my EV in 10 minutes with a super charger so 20 minutes gets me 200 miles and I like to stop at least every 200 miles when I travel to pee etc. That is a good 3 hours of driving but you do you.
#1 It doesn’t take 24h, at supercharger it takes about 30 minutes. #2 You’re probably spending about 10x more for your gas than you would be for electricity.
As of now, a charge of one minute can go as far as 20 to 30 kilometres. A full charge takes about half an hour and can take you about 200 to 400Ks. On the more luxury models about 650 kilometres. Not ideal for trips that will take over 5 hours unless you are willing to take a break to charge it for half an hour and continue after the five hours. I have no interest in getting an EV until it can do a range of at least 1000 kilometres and the prices come down on a subcompact SUV to about 40K, which I'm told could be as close as five years from now.
This is a business opportunity for battery swap centres or battery leasing schemes for some companies/car makers.. full battery swap within minutes. All the batteries are (supposedly) charged from the green-er(ish) source of energy and less issue of battery degradation due to fast charger (the batteries are charged in a more normal/slower speed for longevity)
Ill stick with my 2 stroke v8 thanks. I not of fan of 4 strokes and 2 stroke DFI is the way to go to make it an option. If there is to be electric we need overunity homopolar motor/generators tapping aetheric ZPE radiant energy everywhere from space. This is what Bruce Depalma built with his n-machine but was suppressed. Now it seem like the 2 stroke DFI engines are suppressed in auto/truck market except for the Rotax 850 etec turbo and Achates Power OP 2 stroker.
@@rps1689 “about half an hour” If you are first in queue. Nobody cares about 2nd, 3rd in line at at petrol station given 4 mins a tank. But at a super charger, it’s 30 min, then 60 min, then 90 min. Yeah it’s a problem. People started walking off from their EVs w the wait, so Tesla started charging idle fees up to $1 a min.
Recently talked to a car salesman at a large dealership about ev's. He said that they had an ev as a test run a few months back, but nobody was interested in it. To costly, and the amount of babysitting you have to put into it, and lifestyle it demands from the owner. The manager sent it back. I guess living in the farming communities of the midwest USA is not the place for ev sales or usage.
So it's ok as long as you don't drive anywhere where it gets hot or cold just park it in the driveway and look at it,maybe go to the local grocery store,finally the government will have you where the leftest want you,unable to get in a vehicle,anytime and drive anywhere in the USA you want to go,this has annoyed leftest Democrats for a long time,they want your freedom to travel severely curtailed.
If you want to be environmentally friendly with your vehicle, you should drive your current one into the ground. There's so much embedded energy in it, that it should be valued more. Car makers don't like that kind of message. Here in eastern Australia, most of our electricity comes from burning coal which is much worse than petrol/gasoline.
@@vk3dgn Sorry you believe in global warming scam propaganda, but Earth isn't Venus and CO2 doesn't control the temperature of either of them. Maybe go learn some climate science. Maybe go learn the fact that after the first 20 to 40 PPM of CO2 is in the air, adding to it does almost no warming at all. There's a name for why that happens. If you did research, you might know what that is. Do you?
@@ricktd6891 I don't believe in global warming scam propaganda. I was pointing out that some CO2 is necessary in the atmosphere but it has gone too far on Venus. Maybe Venus is a vision of Earth's future if CO2 emissions keep going up.
I am on disability and couldn't afford to buy a 30 year old used car much less a new electric car. My pickup is 23 years old and has been well maintained. 235,000 miles and doesn't use oil or leak antifreeze. Ot has a V-6 that still gets 24 miles per gallon and starts no matter the weather. I love my F-150 and will drive it till the wheels fall off.
My 2002 vehicle with 200,000 mi. only costs $100 to replace its battery every 5-6 years. The typical out or warantee replacement battery will cost between $13-$18k after about 8 years. What's the carbon footprint on changing out an EV battery every 6-8 years ... for $13-18K???? ON a conservation of energy basis ... to change from fossil fueled vehicles to all EVs the total electric generating capacity of the US will have increase its FOSSIL FUELED electric generating capacity by approx. 50% .... for the exact same amount of energy needed.
To be honest you far better off keeping your old vehicle as long as its not too unreliable Evs are not green at all no matter what the fuffiers say The car industry doesn't give a shit what vehicle you buy as long as you buy one they are quite happy to sell you a ev or a F 350 truck There is no recycling of ev batteries at the moment nor it seems any plans in the future so are these batteries going into some land fill in 4 to 7 years when the battery shits, its self ? Ho and good luck in trying to sell you second hand ev ,the one you paid 70 to 80 thousand dollars for a couple of years ago and now you can't even give away The car makers forgot to tell you that ? With that in mind buying an ev sound like a bad investment where within 10 years you lose everything making the ev worthless If you want reduce pollution in our cities a petrol electric vehicle is a far wiser investment and let's face it due the vehicles being so bloody expensive now buying g a vehicle is a big investment so it's very important to look at what type of vehicle you really need and your situation and lifestyle Remember ebs have alot of limitations and not only in range So evs cannot suit everyone and still have a hell of a lot of work to go .
Neither can you afford a new ICE car! I run 2 old pickups. I run a 79 min truck and a 91 1/2 ton 4WD. In 10 years when there is such a thing as an inexpensive old EV I would love to get one. 200 miles of range would easily do the trick. Could live with 100 if the price is right. Point is EVs are in early times.
@@danharold3087 just like any new tec there will always be teething problems But with evs it's not just with the vehicles Here in Australia our power infrastructure is crap at the best of times Emagine it's summer and 40 degrees outside in the shadow and every bloke and his dog as the a/c running flat tac, it can even cope with that Now Emagine tens of thousands of people coming home from work at 6 pm and everyone pluging in in their ev at the same time on that 40 degree day ? As alot of homes only have on street parking how can they charge thier ev over night, oh and good luck finding a charging station at your local shopping centre that actually works and isn't damaged or vandalised Owning an ev can actually be life-threatening if you don't plan and use common sense and brains Emagine being out half way between help ,no cell phone reception of coarse on a 40 degree day in your ev with a dead battery The wife seating next to you ripping you a new asshole and 3 kids in the back screaming cos they are hot and thirsty and the temperature inside your ev is pushing past 50 degrees and of course alot of people don't even bother to carry spare water Of coarse with petrol and diesel vehicle 10 ltrs of fuel and a jump start from another vehicle got you out of danger or at least to the next service station With a ev no one pasting by can help you with your ev The best you can do is leave the very expensive road side furniture and get you and your family to the nearest truck stop with food ,water and ac Then call a towing company to go pick up the piece of crap And expect a bill you can't jump over Perhaps testa and Musk should have that in their sales pitch when trying to sucker you into buying one of their so called green cars? Even with petrol and diesel vehicle you can get yourself into serious trouble if your not careful and planyour trips even if it's only a couple of hundred kms down the road Technology will not save people from mother nature no matter how much people think they are bullet proof
@@richardbrout2242 Our two party system is better than the chaos that goes on in Europe. Like it or not, fewer parties with more members are far more effective than five or six parties, most of which are motivated by just a few issues, and completely clueless about others. I wonder if Germans would trust the Green Party in matters concerning the rebuilding the military, or international trade when everything is seen by them through the lens of being tree huggers? Also..all the issues that drive people can, once you cut through the noise, be categorized as something either the democrats or the republicans would get behind. It would be more effective for a group to work withing one of the other parties to shape that party's position on the issue in question.
There are quite a few issues with EV that have been overlooked here. Repair is one of them. Having a 400V bus (some have 800V or more) mixed in with the electrical system can be lethal in an accident, during repair or even fixing crash damage at a shop. The days of affordable, simple and reliable transportation are over!
An organization named "Cool The Earth" surveyed EV charging stations in San Fransico's Bay Area. It found twenty two percent of the chargers did not work. The organization waited one week and did a sample check and found no change in function.
you dont need a charing station to charge an EV, it will charge off of any electrical outlet, even in a cabin in the woods you are able to charge an EV.
the bigger issue is it's not in the pervue to demand or mandate all electric anything. it does'n't do anything to mitigate cc. also changing all the vehicles and infrastructure is far more detrimental than just cleaning up fuels by making synthetic versions it's cheaper than dino juice , and captures carbon. keeping our ice cars is far superior than mining rare earth metals. this is about control, not cc.
The carbon dioxide emissions are actually beneficial. Benefits include increased agricultural yields, reduced winter heating costs and fewer deaths from hypothermia. The current mean surface temperature of Earth (15 degrees centigrade) and atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration (415ppm) are suboptimal. It is a popular delusion (Climate Delusion) that mans effects on the earth’s climate are significant and dangerous. It is lunacy spending trillions of dollars trying to prevent small and beneficial changes to the earth’s climate.
how much will the synthetic fuels cost? The research I've seen is that they are hoping to get the cost of a gallon of synthetic gas down to 10 bucks a gallon (current lab production is equivalent to $50 per gallon)
Don't forget that the global warming scare is a hoax. Remember the Univ of East Anglia unauthorized release of emails between climate scientists? Someone released the evidence of the global warming fraud and the media pretty well covered the story with a pillow until it stopped moving.
You realize that those in the American Government push these EV also prevent the permit to mining of these materials need to make the batteries. Pushing it off on countries that don't have and EPA. More pollutants in the air. The only reason to push it is to limit and control the American people.
When I watch videos talking about positive things about EVs, I hear about public and environmental health, but I don't hear anything about my wallet and it's my wallet that's going to buy the EV, if I'm convinced it's a good deal. But when I ask about price, I'm typically branded as being anything but an authentic realist asking about factors that are important to me. I've never been in an EV and while I'm open to them, I'm far from sold on them. For me it's not about resisting any inevitable change headed our way, it's about making sure the cost of whatever someone might be trying to force my way is affordable to my wallet and I don't lose my house trying to buy and maintain an EV.
@Peter Hicks honestly, the last place I want to purchase parts for my EV is Ebay and Amazon. Trust me, I have bought enough low voltage components from Amazon to know this. Quality assurance is pretty much nonexistent on those websites, and the LAST thing I would want is to have a faulty part that handles 110 to 480 V of electricity.
something that is also rarely brought up from pro-EV videos is the engineering and safety side of things. Battery degradation, battery and electrical component damage, etc. are always over looked in these conversations, and people think engineers just magically come up with solutions on the fly and everything will be perfect. The reality is, we cannot find a solution if we do not ask the proper and NECESSARY questions.
As someone who never bought a new car in 30 years of driving and done my own service and repairs...the EV mandate in Canada is a huge drain on the wallet. The housing is already at an unprecedented high and now I have to buy a ridiculously expensive vehicle and maintenance package? Lmfao 😆...you can keep it. Take your money and run...I always anticipated leaving for a better life, good weather, and lower cost of living. No future here...keeps getting worse.
@@CraigBMM There is no mandate...the one's with money are buying EVs as early adopters....there will be lots of lower cost used ones on the market soon
Notice libs ALWAYS FORCE their ideals on people when given the chance? Why do people keep voting these ABUSIVE people in?? I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO blessed to live in "Free America" Florida!! You can keep your EV-with ALL of its hassles! Anyone want to race me across the country? I will bet $100,000 that my 14 year old Dodge Magnum beats ANY EV and makes the trip in mere days while you will need a calendar to finish yours!! Nope-EV"s are just another way to squelsh freedom, track you, and fix a problem that does NOT EXIST! Enjoy one if YOU want to-just don't try and force EVERYONE ELSE to buy one if they don't want to.....😁😁
If you are miserable about fuel prices, that's more due to being dependent on a huge, complex, international oil and gas supply chain, the inevitable wars caused by same. And who knows what else that is out of Canada's control. Has nothing to do with EVs. I personally prefer electricity. Cheap, abundant, and I can make it myself from the sun if the utilities get too big for their britches. Hard to beat something you can make yourself, you know. -Matt
Adaptation: The cheapest EV I've found in the Netherlands is about 30 000EUR with a 25kwh battery pack... it's over 5 years old... where I live we have about a car park for 200 vehicles, surrounded by flats, and not a single charger can be found...
i call bullshit. there appears to be far more EVs in the Netherlands than where i am from and the cheapest working EV here costs about 6000€. there are new EVs with 45kWh batteries avalible for 30 000€.
*"**#StoreDot** Batteries"* Like I have been saying I'm sitting out from buying an EV for the next 2 years. ( I would like to wait longer but I don't have the patience) The 1st EV I will buy will probably be in 2024, the way battery technology keeps advancing and at its current rapid rate a EV today with today's current battery configuration will be obsolete within 2 and a 1/2 years. Prime example is that the early EVs with the "3G Technology" are now dead in the water with *"5G technology"* kicking in.
Without watching the video, my guess at one reason electric vehicle customers are switching back would be the fact that the replacement battery is an astronomically priced money pit in of itself. I'm not sure how much they go for, without researching prices, but I've read or heard about this fact from somewhere. Besides, quick charging the battery pack all the time will definitely shorten the packs reliability. And on trickle charging mode, who's got 15 hours time to bring the packs up to an 80% charged state just to continue on with their trip? It's a no wonder that they put these charging stations at casinos and hotels!
You are hitting correct on all points, super charging greatly reduces battery life, but don't tell an EV owner this, they loose their freaking minds, and they will emphatically deny a trickle charge which will keep their battery alive for much longer, takes many hours, you will hear the same chant...
The funny thing is electric trains powered by hydro power and or nuclear power are the solution to the transportation problems. Both from the pollution stand point as well as congestion. EVs are not the solution since you are replacing an ICE vehicle on the road with another one. Also as of right now people are claiming EVs will pollute less over the long term. I'm not so sure about that. Regardless time will tell.
Oh Boo Hoo! replace the battery! That canard again! One, the battery HAS to by law, work for 08 yrs, most are warranted for 10 yrs. IF it fails, it may be just one pack, and not the battery as a whole. And a Tesal Model 03 battery replacement is $9K. How much for your gas car engine? Quit believing every fool on the internet, and check my facts while your there.
Here's something people don't mention. In the US, we have a huge problem getting telcos to run cable or build out wireless in rural areas. The cost per capita is just too high. When they do, have it, upgrades like 5G lag behind. Who's going to pay to put charging stations in sparsely populated areas? Who will maintain them and what happens when charging technology changes and the stations are obsolete? A lot of climate policy is driven by nations where the vast majority of the population is concentrated in a few urban centers. The US isn't like that and since COVID has become even less like that.
Rural electrification happened in the 1930s. Most people in sparsely populated areas will either charge at home or continue to run ICE cars. When electric cars predominate, the few remaining gas stations might morph into one-stop shops for "classic" car enthusiasts, complete with 50's-style drive-thru diners, repair shops, and a stores selling everything from auto parts to car-culture memorabilia.
People who live in rural areas live in houses. Rural dwellers can charge their vehicles using regular 120V household outlets or get a 240V outlet installed if they do a lot of driving. I don't see the need for public charging stations in this scenario (outside of charging stations near major freeways, which is something that's already in process). It's urban/suburban apartment and condo dwellers who need public charging stations.
Solar city gives you the money to get solar panels and let's you pay for them with the money you save on electricity over time. Modern problems, modern solutions.
When I bought my first car in 2019 at the age of 34, I was seriously limited by budget. I needed a cheap car that had long range and was cheap on maintenance. I settled for a Citroen C3 BlueHDI brand new, was like 20.000 dollars converted from DKK and thats with the insane 80-105% tax we pay here in Denmark on the cheaper cars(a tesla m3 new would be around 57000 dollars). It's reached 71300km as of today and I'm still on my first set of tires (got summer and winter set) and my first set of brakes with around 20-25% left on them. That car has been dirt cheap to run and does 65mpgs easily during the spring and summer and 55-60 in very cold winter weather. I cannot get an EV with near the same range nor maintance cost as this, simply not possible. The cheapest EVs cost around 30-40% more and are so bad and with the current price hikes on energy a tesla would only be around 25% cheaper to charge per kilometer than filling expensive diesel on my C3. As the icing on the cake, my C3 is with a manual gearbox and I love driving stick. I will most likely be driving this car until it falls completely apart or a new engine is needed and considering how long lasting most diesel engines are when kept, that is going to take a while. If only I could put some biofuel in it instead of fossil B7 diesel.
@@DerekDavis213 yup. Everything is extremely expensive here. I think a license would have cost around 1200-1500 usd back when i was 18, some 19 years ago.
@@DerekDavis213 And why is this relevant here? It doesn't matter what you do "in America" because it adds nothing to the discussion. And believe me, we have been so saturated with American pop culture that we know.
"If you charge it too much, the battery can die." So basically that's a major problem since you'd want to keep your electric car as close to 100% fully charged as possible when you're not driving it. And not charging it will gradually drain the battery just like with a smartphone not being charged.
What happens when you get to your destination with a low battery and find the power has gone out from any number of natural or man made disasters and you can’t charge the vehicle just when you need it the most to escape danger ?
@@lesliehuegerich2314 ummm the pump runs on electricity so if the power goes out and the generator kicks in the pumps are back online, thats just common sense
We have a 2016 30 KWH Leaf rated at about 105 mile range. It was purchased used, 3 years ago, with a certified warranty for around 15K. The 8 year battery warranty is generally transferable to a subsequent owner. At 6 years old, with 3 bars missing it goes about 75 - 80 miles which is a fairly typical level of battery degradation. Still have a couple years warranty left on the battery. Another lost bar on the meter will qualify it for a battery replacement. As a second car it serves us fine, as we have a level 2 charger at home. Although we live in Orange County California, surrounded by Teslas, finding a working charging station is often challenging, so we mostly charge at home and the vehicle rarely ventures more than 25 miles from the house. Our Leaf adds around $70 a month to our electricity bill and rarely needs a service department visit, so it is truly economical. All this being said, our electric car is still a bit of a novelty and definitely would not serve us as an only vehicle.
Thanks for sharing. Real world owners need to communicate more about the real world. If we want real solutions, we can’t lie to ourselves about the downside.
If half the driving population in the US drives an EV then the power grid will not be able to handle all the charging it takes to keep them running. Also these charging stations and charging at home runs off about 95% fossil fuel.
While the US is lacking somewhat behind in renewable energy, 95% coming from fossil fuel is complete bullshit, pulled right from your ass where it belongs. Only 60% of the total energy production of the US is from fossil fuels, and about 40% is from natural gas. Technically natural gas is a fossil fuel but it's much cleaner than most other energy sources, many countries classify it as an clean energy source. Only ~20% is from heavy polluters like coal and petroleum. The rest is from either nuclear or renewable sources.
@@billbeeb1803 The charging stations run off the energy grid, and the energy grid is powered of a multitude of different sources. The most common sources are Coal, Gas, Nuclear, and renewable like wind and solar. You can't take a specific charging station at say where it's getting its power from, as the power is flowing freely in the entire grid and could come from anywhere. As I said before the energy grid os powered by a quarter being from coal/oil, another quarter is from natural gas, the rest is clean sources like nuclear and renewable. So I don't get where you're getting the 95% number from.
The cost of replacing a spent battery pack is outrageous. There are places that refurbish battery packs for far less ,but they are hard to find. Charging infrastructure is sketchy in some states like Mississippi where fast chargers are mostly Tesla. I believe government may have to rethink it's strategy of car companies making only EVs.
Well hydrogen really doesn't help either as they want to make it with electricity, which that actually costs more to make a station and uses more power. In that regard just going all in on EVs is more economical. Currently the issue is EV charging station distribution. Currently there are already more chargers than gas pumps, but EVs go less distance so need them more. Hybrid is also a very flawed strategy. Plug-in hybrids for example are basically your last step before getting a real EV. Then you just charge it at home and forget about charging stations. Regular hybrids a vastly less efficient and make far more emissions in comparison. They also have the flaws of mechanical issues with ICE and the complications of EVs while only being marginally better than conventional ICE cars. For example, the new Toyota Corolla hybrid gets about 52 mpg while the Volkswagen Jetta gets 42 mpg. Is it worth the complexity? Charging stations though are guaranteed to get better, but in general it's basically necessity you put a charger at home. For the majority of drives then you'll never need to stop while also getting a cheaper drive.
@@Skylancer727 "going all in on EVs is more economical." Really? What are you going to do when youre in the middle of daily black-outs in California? Sit by the side of a charging station hoping not to get robbed, beat or killed? They would need to build all these stations as stand alone using solar power with battery backup for night recharging
@@davenone7312 Both EV and ICE have doomsday scenarios. If there is a rolling blackout, you won't be able to put gas in your car either. A transition and balance is going to take time. For now, EVs just aren't for everyone.
That's why I feel we need to keep both electric and fossil fuel. There are pros and cons with both but it seems fossil fuel is more dependable right now I drive a 2014 Ford expedition EL XLT my family and I are the second owners of this vehicle so far we haven't had a major issue with it☺️☺️☺️ and we have been putting heavy miles on it since we had it in which we bought it in 2015
It's almost a certainty this is how it will work. We're not close to having enough production capacity for the batteries required. This is at all stages, from mining to factories. These are a the sorts of operations that take years to get off the ground and investors are hesitant to put money into today's battery technology if it will be obsolete in a decade. I read a recent article that stated they'll have to concentrate on hybrids to come close to goals.
@@carlrood4457 not to mention our electrical grid will not be strong enough to support it and if we could build an electrical grid strong enough to support them you have to consider the more electricity you generate the more it attracts lightning so off the bat you will be facing two scenarios one where you will be forced not to be able to charge your car enough or power failure due to lightning striking
I regret buying a Tesla because I found out that there is a lot of EMF's inside the car and that give the head and body stresses. Especially on the passenger side and back seats, and on the floor, very strong EMF's. If you are sensitive to EMF's, don't buy a Tesla or any other EV's. All EV's should have a disclosure about their EMF levels inside the car cabin.
All great comments pro and con. We must remember we live in a global economy and environment. As long as the most populous countries IE India and China as well as many others are considered “developing countries” and not held to the same standards the US is currently cramming down our throats , emissions will continue to rise even tho the ICE and diesels are the cleanest they have ever been and the air / water in us is better than it’s been in 50 years ..
God, even the higher middle class in the wealthiest nations on earth is struggling to use EVs. And that's with heavy government spending and mandating. We still have massive struggles creating the infrastructure and we make huge concessions. In developing countries, the cost of replacing the EV battery would be comparable to us buying a mansion, and they usually drive our leftover cars that would be on their 3rd battery by now, if they were EVs. In South Africa, they have regular blackouts already because their power generation can't keep up. And that's without EVs. I doubt I'll live to see the day when they all switch to EVs. I can't even imagine our own lower class mass adopting EVs in any forseeable future.
I'll stick with my 35 year old IC powered car. It's easy to fix and the range is 100% of when it was new. It also looks much nicer than any EV car made, which is a nice bonus.
Agreed. For me, figured out I would end up losing money if I switched from my 2003 BMW to a $40K EV due to the insurance. I'm paying currently $50 for insurance and I'm looking at at-least $200 per month for an EV. That more than offsets any advantage I have from not using gas. With the way gas prices are going, however, that may change.
@@ne270 The pollution controls they put on cars has them running very clean. People are NOT dying from automobile exhaust. They're dying eating too much, doing drugs, drinking alcohol, etc..
@Heckonwheels86 Before WWII, most homes were heated with coal. After WWII,. most homes transitioned from coal to oil heat. Why didn't "they" prevent that? Then, in the 1970s, due to the oil embargo and price increase, there was a huge transition from moil to natural gas for heating. Why didn't "they" prevent that from happening? These days, many people are moving from natural gas for heating to heat pumps/electricity. Why aren't "they" preventing that from happening.
I feel sorry for electric car drivers and future owners. They will simply have to learn the hard way .. as I did. These things are a huge hassle, all those lost hours sitting in those charging stations, huge anxiety, plus a outrageous expense in the long run. Good luck trying to sell a used Electric car with wore out battery modules. You'll find out nobody wants to pay the ridiculous price of batteries ... Batteries are very ... very expensive to replace ( thousands of dollars) ... and make no mistake, you will be replacing them. These batteries are highly toxic to our environment, with a high potential for disaster to our surroundings. LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE NOT GREEN CLEAN ENERGY BY ANY MEANS! ... I wish I knew all this before I bought my car . Do your homework before buying !
Hey at least you learned. They’re evil dickheads walking around parading this EV nonsense non stop as if it’s some kind of savior technology. They need to burn 🔥
As an electrical power engineer, I can tell you that our grid and generating infrastructure cannot support wide scale ev charging. It is unbelievable expensive to upgrade that infrastructure, both for utility and commercial buildings/installations. People do not understand this.
@@engadvantage exactly!!, by the time the grid is upgraded there will be a much better option like hydrogen cells, or a bio fuel. EV's just have too many issues overall. There are many you tube videos of people waiting 5 hours for a charge at a super charger.
You have really good point about hacking. Government could just stop you in your tracks if they wanted too, just like they are closing bank branches so people can only use a card. Cash will be rare, and probably most businesses won't even take it soon. Really scarry to think about.
My main issues with them is they're far too expensive and buying them second hand doesn't feel viable as replacing the battery is incredibly expensive. (I've never owned a car less than 10 years old. My current car an mb6 civic, is 22 years old and still going strong.) The fire hazard, petrol of course has this but it also has warning signs be it smell or a small fire giving chance to escape if you're not stuck, batteries when they go, go fast, you have seconds before you're toast. Hydrogen is even scarier still in that regard as it's odourless, difficult to contain and if it does leak it doesn't set on fire but explodes with a pressure wave... The range/charge time is a big turn off. This is just my opinion but Tesla's are ugly as sin, they all look like the shell has been 3D printed with plastic. I also question with them not having the same life as a well made engine, just how environmentally friendly they are at the end of their life, I don't know how much is recycled. Also transport is a relatively small piece of the pie in terms of climate change and co2 output, and just converting to electric is an even smaller piece still, as they aren't 0 carbon, far from it, lithium mining and car manufacturing has a fairly large footprint, as does some of the energy used in those batteries. So those thinking this is the big solution to climate change, it's not even close.
Good news is lithium will highly likely be replaced by sodium in a decade. The chance of an EVs battery igniting is 50 times less than that of a ICE, but your EV will be a write-off, but as you mentioned, you want to get your ass out of that car fast. Good news is some automakers are going to stop using lithium ion batteries and use lithium iron phosphate batteries instead, which will make them safer that ICEs. Also it is highly likely in less than a decade, sodium will overtake lithium. The technology already exists to contain lead, mercury, and cadmium when recycling batteries and it is improving by the year to the point that in about 20 years the need for mining will be reduced substantially. All the other mineral and elements in a EV battery are fully recyclable even after being used as second-life batteries. One nice thing about EV battery cells is, they find a second use in stationary grid storage. Just like any other high volume appliance does nowadays with valuable metals in them, . batteries will be recycled to reclaim the valuable metals also. EVs are not clean, but do not create the great technical debt that our grandchildren will have to deal caused by burning gasoline and it will ave more petroleum for them for creating plastics, chemicals, paints, etc.
@@rps1689 Thanks for that informative reply, when I said "I don't know how much is recycled." I really had no idea. So what I'm taking away from that is it's not currently perfect with battery recycling as there are still some waste products but we're moving in the right direction. Same with the safety concerns really, although I will say they may be 50 times less likely to ignite than a ICE which makes sense given the nature of an ICE but more often than not if a ICE catches fire you will have plenty of time to escape or even put it out, it's only really if the fuel tank is punctured you're in immediate danger. But if you get a runaway effect with batteries the danger is immediate most of the time, so I'd be interested to know how those two factors balance out, there's also a lot more data with ICE's to go off though. So I imagine it's difficult to get an accurate picture on that for now. I would be behind hydrogen as an alternative more than any other if not for being such a pain to contain and it exploding. It's a bit of a pain to isolate but there's literally nothing more abundant and doesn't rely so much on the power grid outside of separating it and only emits water as a waste product. I can't get past the dangers of it though, imagining a motorway pile up with nothing but hydrogen cars is the stuff of nightmares. One of the big challenges for EV's is to make them affordable and that hasn't done too well so far. The average person just isn't spending that much on a car. For 1 new Tesla I could buy pretty much a lifetimes worth of second hand petrol cars. For it to be suitable for most people in terms of price, I think it needs to have a good second hand market and for that to be viable with EV's, either battery prices need to come down a lot or their lifetime be increased. Having a £10,000-15,000 bill looming over you for a new battery just doesn't work for a large portion of people. I know that's ignoring the climate crisis but it's just the reality of what people can afford. And as I mentioned transport is a small piece of the pie in terms of our cO2 output, 11.9% to be precise for road transport and a transition to E.V a smaller piece still. Homes, businesses and industry use nearly 4X as much. I'm not saying that means we should brush it aside, just that it shouldn't be seen as a solution or anything close to it, it's a small step in the right direction. So unfortunately our grandchildren will probably inherit those debts anyway it saddens me to say. Less petrol cars will certainly have health benefits though, especially in cities. It just won't stop the planet warming too much.
@@ab9957 The only way anthropogenic climate change could be a scam is if there was a conspiracy involving tens of thousands of researchers operating in secret since the 1950s, in control of the physics and geology departments of hundreds of universities worldwide. Interesting how climate change deniers that say it is a hoax, can never identify the hoaxers nor state the false claim clearly
@@ab9957 There's probably been numerous scams created from it, but climate change is a scientific fact with a vast amount of data supporting it. Don't fool yourself.
Hydrogen cars are actually electric car, but they are charged by hydrogen. Yet you have something like, convert electricity into hydrogen, then convert it back to electricity. Why do you have to convert energy for the sake of time saving? Hydrogen generation will not only cost energy to distribution, but containment also need energy. Hydrogen needs to be in freezing temperature and pressurized to maintain its liquid form. Electric car right now is not perfect, but we need investment to continue its improvement. I don't care whatever people think about climate change. But at least you will not want to breathe whatever pollution ICE cars emit into the air just as everybody.
@@khangsector OK, you go with that. I'm working on not having to fill my fuel tank as often, I still need it for starting the vehicle. It is a 20 year old vehicle. A lot better than being charged a high price for charging a vehicle for how long?
The fossil fuel industry will do well and knows it will be needed to produce better things than wasting petroleum on gasoline, natural gas, and hydrogen in order for our grandchildren to have plastics, paints, petrochemical feedstock medicine, etc. They know wind, solar, geothermal, or biomass is better to produce hydrogen fuel, which is known as Green H2, i.e., elemental hydrogen. Hydrogen fuel cells are not limited by Carnot's Rule which is why it is likely it become an option for large mobile applications like cargo ships and locomotives and cargo ships; denser and more scalable than batteries. The chance of an EVs battery igniting is 50 times less than that of a ICE, but your EV will be a write-off and you want to make sure you get your ass out of the car on time. Good news is some automakers are going to stop using lithium ion batteries and use lithium iron phosphate batteries instead, which will make them even much more safer that ICEs in regards to igniting. Also it is highly likely in less than a decade, sodium will overtake lithium and be the norm.
@@khangsector There is nothing wrong with ICE cars that cannot be improved. I am sure if half the effort that was being put into making EVs was directed to making ICE cars cleaner then it would be far more beneficial. We are all living longer we are constantly told, so we can’t be being poisoned by vehicles at the same time! It is a contradiction. I live at the junction of a major road where thousands of cars pass at rush-hour, and I have never felt so well, and I am in my 70s!
With fewer inconveniences and more access to fuel stations than charging stations, plus the fact I can get from one point to another on a long trip much faster, I'm going to hang onto my good ol' gas powered car for as long as I'm allowed to. And with no more miles than I'm putting on it, I'm liable to have it for the rest of my life. And I've always believed this climate change hogwash is much too hyped up.
Some folk hype it up. but they are not climate scientists. They stick to the preponderance of evidence, which is what science is all about and it pays off - So far there hasn’t been a failed prediction from climate science and climate projections have been accurate for fifty years.
Don’t ever let the government tell you your not allowed to have it...that’s part of the problem, they work for the people not the people working for and obeying them.
Damage to recharging stations (stealing the copper wires) is a problem in the UK, soon to come to the US. People also damage the unit itself by kicking it, backing into it, or vandalism.
The range they quote is a lie as well. This will decrease rapidly if you are driving at highway speeds on a hot or cold day to ~100miles. I was in TX a few months ago and was riding in my friends Tesla. We started the trip with a 50 minute charge to top up, then after driving roughly 110miles had to stop and charge again…this time taking over an hr because all the chargers were being used at this location and we didn’t have the range to go elsewhere. Note: it takes longer to charge if the unit next to you is being used. So in summary our 2hr trip quickly ballooned into a 4hr trip. Not worth owning at all.
5 min 300 mile fuel fill ups is still the way to go. No hopes and prayers to find a working charger and compatible app with other cars waiting in line there before you in winters freezing cold making me late to work. No DIY replacement parts, no aftermarket upgrade customizations, dealer only service, no resell value, NO THANKS !!!
Not to ne mean but the demand of oil will never go away. Look at all the products in your house that are plastic to include carpet, clothing and house hold goods. and don't be fooled, electric cars have plastic parts in the also.
I also learned that to get everybody into an electric car we do not have enough cooper wire. So what than means is we would have to open 3 more copper mines to get the copper needed. I don't think that would be good for the earth..
Fire Departments have been equipping all of their vehicles with TOW CHAINS. When called to an EV vehicle fire, the first thing they will do is drag the burning vehicle away from anything else that will catch fire. A Gas-powered vehicle fire can typically be extinguished in minutes with just the water carried by one pumper truck. An EV can take THOUSANDS of gallons of water and SEVERAL HOURS to put out the fire -- because the fires are chemical reaction fires within the batteries (in most cases) and these chemical reaction fire can be several hundred degrees HOT and simply applying water for a few minutes cannot put out these fires. And frequently, it can actually take several DAYS to fully stop the chemical reaction fire of an EV.
E85 fuel could be a massive game changer, especially in warmer areas of world, but "electric" has become the happy, sexy word. There is not one power grid in the world that would not crash if everyone were plugged in an electric car.
It takes more energy to make E85 than you get out of it. Better off with normal gas There will be a long transition period before all cars are EVs. That should give the power grid upgrades enough time.
E85 alcohol fuel is reported to be bad for engines, fuel injection systems, etc in the long term. 92 octane gasoline works perfectly for 200,000 miles or more.
@@That-Guy_ Not where people can't afford these traps. In my country, the cheapest EV costs 150x the minimum wage. Nobody will drive here... and you will have rebels here in Brazil as we love cars. Take our cars and you will have a Sri Lanka.
13k dollars for just the part.... lmfao. That's your green solution, to build a car that will be useless in 10 years. No one is going to spend 13k dollars on a part for a ten year old car. It will be trash.
Not only that. If you drive for example a fiat panda, his parts are cheap and his technology is much more easy to repair. Try repairing a tesla in the middle of nowhere, you'll want to throw it into the woods, because it costs to buy the parts and the car is difficulty built. The fiat panda will drive another years, while tesla (which should be more "green") is not ecological at all. The point is to drive the car long, than buying every two years a new one. Where will the old tesla land? It sure is not biodegradable
FYI...As I've said above the LFP batteries are having warranties 1 million km.. lucky if you get yr ICE to last a third of that... The mechanical parts of an EV will fall apart well before the battery is unusable. .. And most battery packs are close to 100% recyclable.. so once there are enough batteries in the system to meet demand you won't have to make hardly any new ones ever again.. just recycle the old ones. ... all battery prices will continue to plummet.. all good news for EVs
It is also the lack of multiple cycles. A new car looses half its value within the first two years. Setting aside this 'value for money' issue, there is also the fact that many people either don't want a super expensive car, or don't need one. So, they can try to balance quality vs price by buying a used car, and man is there variety there! With EVs this will be basically impossible, since the battery goes deader and deader every year. Oh, and by the way, the ecological cost for constructing (and transporting) the components for an EV is such that they make little ecological sense, at least at this time.
One thing that a lot of manufacturers is that EVs is that they can't tow the same amount of weight behind themselves that a normal car can for the same distance, especially when you're looking at towing a boat or a caravan through a desert or offroad.
They can actually tow more to their own weight, the difference is EVs rely on efficiency for range which is why they're range drops far more than ICE for pulling things. EVs much like hybrids are also made far more for city driving and less highway. Obviously on the highway regenerative breaking barely helps. The issue with weight is purely we don't have bigger EVs. The model Y is one of the biggest EVs we have and is only a crossovers, not a truck or SUV. Compared to the Toyota RAV4, they have the same towing limit. In comparison the Rivian R1T the only EV truck on the market can pull 11,000 pounds. That's about the same as max power Ford F150 at about the same price as well. It also has vector toque control since it has 4 motors so it's actually better for off-roading than really any ICE car. They showed that by doing a demonstration climbing a hill only modified cars usually do even on stock tires. As you can see, you just need to look at the same type of car.
@@Skylancer727 have you ever seen any EV in the mountains? Neither did I. The most used cars for such places are diesel cars. Turning all the functions in your EV will suck your battery out
You can always find a doomsday scenario. Just casual observation would also show that people buy vehicles based upon 1% of the uses that they will have for it. I see turbo diesel "dually" trucks doing the daily commute to the suburban office parks every day. It's probably because they tow a horse trailer to the mountains, once a year. It's a free market, but that doesn't mean that every consumer choice is rational. Whether you adopt EVs or not, other values and biases make their way into your choices.
The main issue I see is that the electricity has to come from somewhere. We don't have an infinite supply of it. Right now the energy sources are shared between different things. Cars use petrol/diesel, which doesn't eat into the grid. If all vehicles abandon a perfectly good source of energy and start using electricity, it'll start putting way too much pressure on the grid. Secondly, EVs are not zero emissions because they still pollute indirectly. Anything that uses energy that's not solar is harming the environment in some way. Many countries still use coal to generate electricity and of course the manufacturing of the vehicles uses energy. So all things considered, is it really logical to replace all ICE vehicles with EVs? I think EVs should coexist with ICEs and share some of the burden. They're also great as city vehicles since they don't directly pollute the environment and the range and charging isn't much of an issue there.
We constantly hear of power grid failures due to scarcity, especially in the winter when power consumption rises. Many metro areas have been buying power from third parties to compensate for their own deficit. How are they going to bear the burden of adding all of their transportation needs to their already shaky system? This isn't a hard concept. If you have $200 in the bank, you can't withdraw $1000. If your credit is already maxed out, you can't even borrow the rest.
What happens if you “under estimate “ your remaining range and find yourself on the side of the road with no electric charge left? Does AAA pull up with a generator on board and you sit there for God knows how long while your battery is being charged? No calling friends with jumper cables to help out here!
I'm not promoting EV's but I can tell you that you need to plan your trips accordingly and one thing I've seen by several sources is that the estimated miles shown on a full charge is over inflated by about 30%. So for every 120 miles it says you can drive, you can knock about 40 miles off that distance for the actual distance. So plan your trips accordingly, Plan for worse case scenario to be safe.
@@robertkarp2070 you’re not saying that manufacturers will deliberately overestimate the expected mileage with the hopes of selling electric cars, are you? ( lol)!
EVs are definitely not the best solution to environmental issues. It is redesigning our cities- reducing sprawl, building better infrastructure: protected bike lanes,wider sidewalks, pedestrianizing city centers banning single family zoning and creating mixed use developments, more public transit, removing car lanes, no more mandatory parking minimums, banning drive thrus and closing some streets to private cars entirely- cars should be heavily restricted in towns and cities- only traffic that is destined for the city and only where another mode (bicycle, e-bike, e-scooter, mobility scooter, bus, train, metro, etc) is impractical. This will make cities safer too. Your kids will thank you when they can go out and play, walk to school and be mobile without staring at the oversized billboards in the corner of the window they can see through as they are chauffeured around! Revert our cities back to spaces for work, life and play for humans- not throughfares for cars! I mean roads are dangerous enough without making death on wheels heavier and stealthier!
The biggest advantage for hackers is not crashing a specific car, it's deleting everything so they have no car. Bricking a car is as easy as bricking a million cars.
You made an incredibly important point there. After the bricking I guess you own nothing but a big hunk of trashed out metal and plastic? Oh, and have to pay for someone to take that piece of "Toxic Waste" off the highway for you and dispose of it? Now days, a Junk Yard might pay you $500-1000 for your broken down ICE car on the side of the road. After bricking they might charge you $1000 - 2000 to come pick it up and dispose of it? The "Green" in EV's is all that Mr. Readies that others are going to make off of you for being so dumb to buy one!
I'm a Home Inspector and do inspections out of a Tesla Model 3 long range and drive all over the Dallas Ft Worth area daily and drive way more then the average person. I average 100 miles a day or more. I have had my car almost 3 years with zero issues and have only had to buy tires once so far. I spend about $60 a month on average for electricity to charge it as the app calculates it from what I pay for my electricity. If I drove the typical truck which cost about as much as a Tesla Model 3 assuming I bought new like I did with the Tesla I would be spending way more on gas no doubt like probably $500 more a month in gas alone. Sure I can go cheaper by buying a clean used truck which actually I have but rarely drive because I love the Tesla and I love driving it more then my big gas sucking truck. All the commenters I read hating and talking smack about EV's have never owned an EV. I get that they aren't for everyone, in every situation and that's why I still have my truck for certain situations but they are awesome in my experience and most of the time and I will not give mine up.
@@r.c.salyer3652 No car payments here bro, also I bought a bunch of Tesla shares way back so technically I'm driving a free car that came with a bunch of cash to boot.
@@r.c.salyer3652 Thanks but I have done my share of dumb things as well, just got lucky this time. I have a bunch of stocks and crypto that are down over 80% as well so its not all roses. Tesla has been my saving grace, so far anyway.
1. Batteries are inefficient. 2. the acquisition of the raw materials for the batteries is very bad for the environment. 3. said raw materials come almost exclusively from china and russia. 4. recycling of batteries has not been addressed. 5. every recharge diminishes the life of the battery, quickcharging diminished it faster. 6. they do not have the convenience of ICE. 7. the electrical grid is already strained....and people still want to add thousands of EVs???? O.o
What about the envirnmental impact of EVs. The disposed of batteries could be a huge enirnmental disaster. There needs to be recycling of ev batteries or refurbishing by manufactures. Also, the cost of replacement batteries is a huge deal if it cost 10K or more. Then you also what happens when ev gets in wreck and spills battery acid all over the place. The number of cars that will be in line to get a charge at a charging station could really be a detterant to implemenation let a lone slow charge times. Politicians should rethink mandating elimination of gas powered cars for the propaganda of climate change. With the Russia war on Ukraine we need to work on making gas cheaper instead of stopping oil piplines and new drilling.
@Robert Lee I agree that the government should stop rushing toward the mandates for battery electric vehicles. In my extended family, that is just creating more pushback against electric vehicles. The market will move toward battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids anyway, and then in 10 or 15 years, the government can start figuring out what is a reasonable transition. Ha, I just used government and reasonable in the same paragraph! 😄
I'm a busy person, I've have better things to do, .. than to sit at a charging station picking my nose while waiting and waiting for vehicle to charge ... that's a good name for these stations ..... NOSE PICKING STATIONS
The problem for me is road trip charging- i do about 75% in the city going to and from work about 5mi/day and live in an apartment, but 25% of the time I make trips greater than 200mi. It's way to expensive to buy an extended range car for me, but the thought of spending an extra hour traveling home to my parents (210mi) is annoying and might cause my day trip to be grueling; my current ICE car gets about 35mpg on the highway and has a 400-450mi range on a 12gal tank so i can make it there and almost back with 1 tank of fuel so no stopping
I want to see the long term cost of ownership of owning an EV compared to ICE. Like 10 years. Never hear that stuff. I hold onto vehicles for a while and that’s important to me.
Many people online have reached 300000km with their EVs with no battery replacement (some even over 500000km) There will likely be some thing you will have to replace in the future for sure. But an ICE will be way more expensive (service and break downs) And if you treat your vehicle correctly (charge to only 80% unless you have to, no unnecessary acceleration and slow charging speeds at home, it will likely last waay longer)
@@010falcon Lexus and Toyota hybrids are doing far better (as far as reliability and quality) than Tesla and Hyundai, for example. Overall cost for fuel and maintenance after 10 years is lower for the hybrids, also. If replacement batteries are needed, those will be less expensive for the hybrids, since they are much smaller in size. Once Japanese auto manufacturers make EVs with low-cost solid state batteries, then this metric may change but for now, hybrids are the best choice.
@@davepaturno4290 cant believe that, atleast with the things i have read and heard from mechanics. How do you come to the conclusion that a combustion engine and a electric motor (both combined) are less maintenance heavy than just an electric vehicle. You have less moving parts, you only have batteries and electric motors. Both of which can last quite long (i have some experience since i work in, not the same, but a similar field) Imagine your fridge (it runs forever, with no fatigue and or maintenance) Plus even the oil changes of the hybrid cost something, which you dont have on EVs. Another thing hybrid is just a stupid concept. I also dont believe in batteries for the normal car market. I am a big fan and supporter of hydrogen. Imagine, no more long power lines which waste unnecessary energy (VW has the patent to fix the problem with hydrogen cells. Sadly they just block it...) Just as info, you can use gas lines to transport power from lets say a desert to a city (solar panels) This power can also be easily stored.
Am an outdoors person who wants to travel long distances in the wilderness where no charging nor gas station to recharge, refuel. Jerry cans are so handy for gas. Can i store electricity in jerry cans?
For me, when I stop traveling due to age, then getting a 250 mile with an EV might be acceptable if the lithium battery fire problem can be solved. As far as I know, that problem is not decreasing, but increasing-to the point that insurance companies are asking people to NOT put your lithium battery car in your garage due to fires.
For me to invest in an ev,3 things would have to change 1. Cost. EVs would need to come down, way down in price. 2. Infrastructure changes, more charging stations, every gas station should also have EV charging stations, at least 3. Charging stations for home use should be easier to use, less costly.
My lifestyle is already used to an ebike. I have to keep an eye on battery use, and miles. I've adjusted to that. My ebike although pretty powerful, gives me a good understanding for what I'll need to do.
@@duchessstudioband7896 Ebike is great solution. Small battery gives you huge utility. Everyone should replace their cars with Ebikes. But EV cars are not Ebike. Fat battery EVs weighing 5000+ pounds like Teslas are different story however and try to continue extremely wasteful car culture by another means.
@@markbutler2444 a lie or are you that uniformed? Unless I drive over 250 miles in one day, I never even have to stop....ever. I plug it in at home and I'm good to go every morning. If I take a trip, yes, then I'll need to stop, about once every 3 hours. Both to charge and use the bathroom! About 15 minutes and I'm good for another 2-3 hrs.
In a neutral perspective, I think electric cars are not worth the price. I've seen electric cars that can cost more than a Bugatti, but only if you're unlucky. A second problem is information overload. Not everyone has the capacity to understand the technology of electric vehicles. A third problem that I can see is that you need to use raw materials that are too rare to make the batteries. I'm not saying electric cars are bad, but if you are willing to spend tons of money for something that weighs a lot and can be hacked, go for it. The only thing that makes me sad is that electric cars don't have aftermarket support.
This video doesn’t touch on the real problem of where the materials are mined .. the impact the mining has and the fact less than 5% of EV Batteries are recycled
EV's suck. People don't want them because they're vastly inferior to gas cars. That's why gas became the predominant design 100 years ago: consumers saw that gas makes the most sense.
@@Smi77y1 Yeah, and people sleep on a sidewalk to get Snoop Dogg tickets. That doesn't mean his noise isn't crap. It's your money, dude. If you want to spend twice as much for a car that goes half as far and takes ten times as long to fill up, that's on you. But bragging online about your dumb choice doesn't seem so bright. Hey, here's a thought experiment: What other cars on the market require government incentives to get people to buy them?
We were at the Ford dealer the other day and one of the guys showed me an electric pickup truck the price was $92,000.00 and it weighed over 7,000 lbs. It's totally ridiculous.
The best compromise for now is a hybrid like a Toyota Prius unless you are certain that your journeys will be always be around town. If you always take short journeys around town home charging will work for you. This is why the Prius is such a popular choice for taxi drivers.
Drivers of EV's who think they will beat high gas prices should remember, cities, states and the federal government receives tax money on sales of gas. With the reduction in gas tax revenue other taxes will be initiated, such as Florida's annual $135.00 in addition to the normal registration fee on EV's, also The Secretary of Transportation, P. Buttigieg, has stated he is in favor of a tax on milage to repair roads. The oil companies paid state and federal governments $388 billion between 1981-2008 for pumping oil. With less oil pumped, tax money will need to be raised some way.
A evs costs 25 to 35 percent more to buy new than the equivalent petrol vehicle so you have to travel 140,000 kms to even break even Who keeps a vehicle that long now days ? Evs cost more to service and repair especially the battery if it craps its self and no ev batteries only last 3 to 7 years if your lucky ,good luck in hotter environments at 7 to 18 thousands dollars to replace and good luck in getting it replaced under consumer law at no cost The used ev market is extremely poor and no one wants to buy a second hand ev so resale valve is crap at best Plus there is no recycling of the ev batteries any where in any country with all the dangerous chemicals that go into making ev batteries or the child slave labour to mine the minerals to build the batteries So much for going green and saving the environment Cars make up about 4 percent of the world's carbon emissions Coal power stations and old dirty diesel trucks in our cities are the major problems with pollution Of coarse there are many other things as well Having coal fired power stations to charge your clean evs is utterly stupid Plus what about all the carbon emissions when the car maker builds the evs in the first place We cannot consume our way out of climate change If we really want to help the environment Put solar panels on the roof at home , a solar hot water system , have a rain water tank to collect water and plan you trip to go to several places all in the same trip saving petrol and time You will save more money and the environment doing the above things than spending a fortune on a ev which as soon as you drive it of the dealership loses about 80 percent of its valve Buying an ev is a personal choice but if you believe buying an ev will save the planet you have rocks in your head Solar panels and planning you trips in your petrol or diesel vehicle will do more than some expensive ev when it runs out of power and becomes road side furniture
I'm a trucker by trade and I absolutely love my electric car. I have a nissan lead 2012, an audi etron 2022. And a hybrid audi q5e. They save tons of move. And so far I've been blessed with zero issues and no noticeable degradation in batteries!
I guess the primary worry I have about EVs is the weather. I live in Pittsburgh and it can be very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. I don't own a garage, and even if I did, my workplace parking is an outdoor lot, so no protection from the weather for about 10 hours. In reality more. Anyone know how much damage extreme temperatures would have on EV batteries?
It will be fine, most EV batteries are continuously keeping themselves at the proper temperature. This video gave wrong info. 59 degrees is not a minimum temperature for EVs, more an optimal. The most EV friendly countries is also one of the most coldest. Norway
you dont need a garage but i cant stress enough at very least a 120 volt connection... you could live of super chargers alone but who wants the stress.... is my car topped off... will it start... do i have to go fill up before i go do anything or go to work that sort of stuff... if your connected to a 120 volt that all goes away... and for all you petrol heads no i dont wait hours to recharge nore do i wait 5 minutes to refill... i just plug in (takes about 15 secs) and forget
@@jonmcnabb6421 I already disconnect EVs and other vehicles when extension cords across sidewalks create tripping hazards for pedestrians. The city of Seattle recently constructed an EV charging station a half mile from my house. It's posted no parking except when charging, but I notice that it's usually occupied by vehicles that are not charging, EV or not. Presumably, an EV could park and plug in to charge when the person goes home at the end of the day, and return to pick up their vehicle the next morning. That would limit charging opportunities for other EV drivers, of course.
@@SeattlePioneer yea i dont think that exists... when ever im not charging and parked somewhere that isn't my electrical... i get charged idoling fees which are usually twice as expensive as the electricity theres a five minute or so grace period to get back to your car and unplug but uh yea thats why i avoid metropolis... last time i tried charging in van... 2 to 3 times as much for the parking garage as it was for the actual charge
Got a Tesla a year ago. It was a larger hit than I thought. I can attest that my wife rather uses the Tesla than her Lexus, the problem is that so do I. This is even after having said that the Lexus GS hybrid we have is the most comfortable car I have ever driven. The two times we have used it on a road trip, the Supercharger network have worked perfectly, we stop ever 3 hours and the loading is normally finished before we have eaten. (I do not consider a 100+100 mile return trip a road trip). FYI I live in Sweden
I needed to drive from CA to FL (2600 miles) in 2021. I made it in 41 hours with two stops for food, fuel, and restroom plus another 6 stops for fuel/restroom and one stop for a couple hours of sleep. I'd hate to have to attempt such a trip in an EV.
@@kirkjohnson6638 I thought 2.5 days from Boise ID to Central Maryland was pretty good (via Price UT and Lexington KY - 2,600 miles approx). Longest day was 17 hours. Had two stops to sleep and eat, and 2 stops for fuel (almost 200 gallons diesel per stop). Have a restroom in the coach, so those stops are a minute or two. I think the drive time that google maps gave me was close to 40 hours. With the number of fuel stops, you couldn't have slept much at all.
@@rich7447 I was driving my car, so I was not subject to rules about breaks like in the trucking industry. I didn't sleep until I hit FL and finally had to stop for a few winks because I was starting to have trouble focusing. If I hadn't already been awake for about nine hours before hitting the road, I wouldn't have needed to sleep at all. I certainly wouldn't recommend this to anyone, but I did it because I hate driving so much that I couldn't bear the thought of stopping at a hotel and then awaking to face another day (or two) of driving. I prefer to get all the pain over with in one shot.
@@kirkjohnson6638 I did the journey in a 42' private motor coach so no trucking rules apply other than I have to have a CDL. Once I start getting sleepy it is too difficult to ignore the fact that I have a bed in the back. Glad you made it safe and sorry that you hate driving so much.
GM's million mile battery isn't a battery you never need to charge you dunts, it's a battery that lasts 1 million miles before massively degrading or failing. Storing over a million miles in anything of this size is literally impossible. Even the most dense idea, nuclear power, only gave the possibility of about 10,000 miles before needing a refueling. The difference is though that nuclear could technically do more, but it trickle charges a battery over time so the older it gets, the slower it charges and the less you can travel in one ride.
YA, I have been preaching "Who killed the EV1 ? " since I read that the Kia's are burning up . The only failure was that GM couldn't figure out how to get rich off the EV1. In the Wiki article, it sounds like we , the taxpayers funded 1.25 B in research costs for it . With a Nice 250 Million in profit for the project . PRICKS !!
If you put that same weight of Li-ion batteries in an EV1 today, as it had in Lead acid batteries (1175lb), it would have a range of 450 miles and a 100kWh battery!
It's not the cars we hate. I personally would love to have one. It's the lies surrounding them that we hate. This video is a good example, it claims you can get a Tesla for "no less than $40k". The reality is closer to $50k. Then I got a quote from my insurance company and immediately scrapped the idea altogether. As far as aging goes, we'll see maybe you're right. But I need to replace my car soon and not wait for history books.
@@goldenrod8861 That's a totally fair assessment. I too ended up not buying a Tesla because of the upfront and insurance cost. I just ended up getting a VW e-Golf, which is actually a very underrated and wonderful cheap EV. Really like it so far. But yeah, I totally understand your point of view.
So the battery doesn't work very well below 59°? Ever been through a Maine winter? One January it never got up to zero for the entire month. My gasoline engined old beater started every time. You can have your voltswagen!
You neglected to mention the cost of operations and maintenance. My wife’s Bolt EV, with home off-peak charging, costs $.03/mile, fuel and maintenance. My Porsche 911, premium fuel, costs $0.26/mile, fuel only. Nearly 9x as much. Yes, big difference due to current gas prices, but even with 2021 fuel prices, still a serious advantage to an EV. Plus, my wife absolutely loves never visiting a gas station.
the problem is when you factor in up front cost and battery replacement. It is the same exact issue with solar panels. You may pay less monthly, but that up front cost and the eventual replacement of the solar panels when they degrade, really takes a toll on the wallet and isn't worth it for the average person. I'm all for alternative energy sources and electric vehicles, as I find both concepts fascinating from an engineering side of things, but let's not be naive about the engineering limitations and economic side of things.
EVs preceded internal combustion engine cars. They went obsolete due to problems with the battery. The battery is still a big costly problem. The Climate Delusion is the main problem. Carbon dioxide emissions are actually beneficial. Benefits include increased agricultural yields, reduced winter heating costs and fewer deaths from hypothermia.
The battery problem is nothing compared to the technical debt cause by wasting petroleum as gasoline. Because fossil fuels are so heavily subsidized nothing else could complete until very recently. Fossil fuels come with free waste disposal. The other energy sources don't. It's a humongous externalized cost. Co2 fertilization is a problem, as the increase in agricultural yields are only good for yields in food that is not that abundant in nutrition. That being said, CO2 increases foliage in some forests, but it’s a very weak feedback against anthropogenic global warming from increased CO2. As for EVs, the good news is, not only is the technology improving at a fast rate, less and less cobalt is being used for batteries; sodium and redox batteries don't use any plus it is highly likely in less than a decade, sodium will overtake lithium. The amount of petroleum needed to provide fuel for mining and how much CO2 it will dump into the atmosphere is minuscule compared to the amount private vehicles use. All energy sources degrade the natural environment and they are all are dirty, The responsible choice to make is the least dirty one, not the one where you get to bill your grandkids for the cleanup. What is being pumped into the atmosphere represents an enormous technical debt, which is much much more than all the tax expenditures and all the subsidies by all countries to wind and solar energy and EVs.
@@rps1689 You could argue the responsible choice is to rapidly industrialize the planet for quick and dirty space colonization, utilizing some source of forced labor and every energy resource available *AHEM* nuclear *AHEM*. Getting mankind off the planet is the only way to reliably prevent man from inadvertently destroying it. There would be short term degradation of the ecosystem, but inevitably life would march on, and the planet would likely recover rapidly in our absence. Also, as a space faring civilization, we would be better positioned to help the Earth recover with terraforming techniques. No matter what technology you create, man is going to continue degrading the ecosystem. With the number of cars on the road set to double by 2040, EVs simply won't be able to keep up with demand. There are only around 10 million on the road out of the total of 1.4 billion cars on the road worldwide. If you believe car makers are going to sell 1.4 billion EVs in the next 18 years I have a bridge to sell you. If we take the 9 lbs of lithium in a Leaf times 3 billion (projected # of drivers in 2040), that equals 13.5 million tons. Estimates for accessible lithium on Earth is around 14 million tons, and those batteries will need replacing. Are you starting to understand the herculean task of adopting EVs on a global scale? It isn't a sustainable solution. Most people are worried about the Earth because, well, they need it to live. But the Earth and life on Earth is far more durable than the human race, and if you ask me, that's what people really want to preserve. Themselves.
The world is deluded the amount of c02 to make the chargers and vehicles batteries is a lot more than a petrol vehicle ev batteries take the same c02 to make as running a petrol vehicle on e10 fuel for 15 years then you have charging points recycling points hardly green it makes no sense as cheaper ev s need batteries every few years.
I read a story a few weeks ago about how a municipality in France bought a fleet of electric cars, and when the batteries inevitably died they couldn't do anything with them. So they parked them in a clearing, the lithium leaked out and killed all the fauna in the area. Replacing batteries isn't the only problem, the bigger issue is that there's no way to dispose of or recycle them
@@owen5640 There is a way of disposing of the spent batteries. Put them into shipping containers and dump them in the ocean. In the dark of night of course.
Yeaaaaa we have expert here!!! (Liar). Electric cars are more green after 2-5 years of using. I dont provide facts for my statement because you dont want th see it. You have your own faith.
@@rickshawwheelchair Road trips can be done with the charging network (Tesla has the best by far) Brownouts don't last that long and are typically during the day so not a big issue if you charge at night
EV’s are useless on long trips I don’t care how many charging stations you have a simple 2 hour trip could easily be 4 to 6 hours if there are many electric cars waiting to be charged not to mention if the charger is not working plus it will open the door for thieves to take advantage of people who are forced to stop and charge say at night in some rest stop it’s a lot of work that YOU have to do just so you can make some corrupt politician rich
@@johnjohnson9017 A 2 hour trip is 160 miles at most and most EVs and all Tesla’s can handle that with no charging stops. You are also vastly over exaggerating the charge time needed, you can charge up to 200 miles of range in 15 minutes. If you use the Tesla supercharger network the car will tell you how many stalls are at each location, if any are down and how many other cars are there charging currently. Security is an issue in some areas but people also get robbed at gas stations all the time.
EVs indirectly put out almost the same emissions than an internal combustion engine car, because mining and production of lithium-ion batteries makes a lot of C02. Plus EVs are much more dangerous to normal cars and pedestrians due to being much heavier.
And burn up 8.2 hours on average of your time every month trying to find a changing station if you're on the road,,, sometimes a person will loose 16 too 22 hours in changing times,,, none that are working or avaliable,,, other times a person can find one that work's right off the get go... if your life revolves arounds an electric car then have at it,,, granted one thing,,, if you live a busy hectic life style then don't even concider any type of EV... It will only add too more frustration and anger in your all ready complexed life style... You won't have too worry about savings either,,, your electric car will burn up all your savings you'll ever make,,, there is no way the """average""" person can afford a $27 too $32 G battery repair bill little lone all the other costs of repairs,,, and EV units need alot of repairs,,, good luck all,,, just like the old guy said,,, if your trying too get ahead in today's world it ain't going too happen when your ev makes you poorer then you all ready are... Dump $60 too $80 G on a EV +++ $100's of thousands too keep it running for 10 years then end up doing it all over again from Zero since your old electric car is worth nothing ... oh well,,, we cant fix stupid I guess
Those numbers are untrue and spouted by someone that read something. You do not hunt for charging stations...the car tells you when you need to go to one and gives you directions to the closest station along with how many chargers at that station are in use. The typical charge is that you pull up, connect and go to the bathroom and get something to eat. When you are ready the car is charged. There are too many people that think they know what they are talking about....when they do not.
I can say from my personal experience, migrating from a gas car to an EV; it's easy to locate and visit a charging station. I live in the rural side of Maryland and they are readily available in small numbers and more toward the more industrial side of the state. There is no countless time spent locating a charging station unless you are unable to understand the premade route given to you by your car, or even using your phone app to locate an available location.
@@barryccollyer2429 Ok, but what the app doesn't tell you is whether or not the charging stations are functional. That is a huge hassle for EV owners and they are reporting such problems on RUclips, That they get to the stations and they don't work, primarily because no one is monitoring them and rebooting them. Also, who really has time to sit around for 30 minutes to an hour waiting for the charging to be complete. One out of five EV owners went back to gas powered vehicles because the EV's were too much hassle.
@@robertkarp2070 The app tells you if the are functional and how many are being used. I am most familiar with the Tesla stations as they are so much better (more of them and faster) than the other slow, and perhaps broken, stations.
Our infrastructure is in no condition for a mass EV conversation in the timeframe this administration is pushing. I’m a huge Elon Musk fan, he will be remembered as the father of EV but politics is and will hamper reasonable solutions. Be wonderful if the parents running their kids to 10 places could drive EVs. Let us keep our ICE without penalties or woke commentary about polluting the environment. You cannot buy a modern sedan that’s an environmental disaster anymore. Let the farmers and rural people have their long range trucks to work and tow. EVs simply cannot do that right now
And yet many people will remember Musk as a grifter, c0n-man, tax evader, and supporter of Ron Desantis in Florida for President. horrible. And Musk is going to give horrible people like Donnie T a platform for misinformation: Twitter.
Now I know how important it is to take very good care of my current gasoline vehicles.
Exactly, but if your unlucky like me and live in dumbstralia, the goverments just work out other ways to rape you, like 50% tax , gst, 40c per litre of TAX ontop of petrol thats ALready taxed with GST... wildy expensive fines, registration tolls and insurances etc. Theres no escape, we need to find out how the elites do it and skullfuck everyone in our way to get to the top and set our own laws, there is no other alternative.
Based gas power chad right here
gas is the best for now, I hope they come with hydrogen soon
very important and too stand up for individuality another thing i hate are self driving cars they want everyone to be controlled and be clones
@@2009jadeorchid but that's a good thing actually
the main issue is choice. dont force me to buy EV by eliminating gas cars or taxing them heavily or some other trick.
Let's see how they try to "convince" us to buy those overpriced toys (aka "forced")
Hope they do
Totally agreed. At the end of the day, cars are a product, exactly as clothes or tv, etc...
So there are people who like a kind of cars and other don't.
On board with you here. That’s exactly what they’ll do; the market won’t be able to operate freely.
Gotta invest in public transport too. Make cars a luxury not a necessity.
A new issue at least in the UK is where people are stealing the cables at the charging stations for the tiny bit of copper, disabling the charging stations.
Good keep it up these things are a con and the more people are doing that the better
So, in Brazil, cables won't stay even for the first weak
You can't have nice things in shitholes
Can't have anything without some crook trying to rip it off.
I read that in a British accent
It’s a big con.
The timescales being adopted by governments to force people to adopt these vehicles is all about taking away personal transport from ‘peasants’.
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How right you are . Here's a prediction there is no way in the timescale there are talking about .
EXACTLY
That's the biggest fear that I have concerning these things. The technology has been around for a long time, and the reason that they have not been developed is because of the serious flaws inherent in the system. Musk has fame on his side and he can use his fame to convince people that these cars are the solution to the problem. Politicians are not informed, and none of them understand concepts that are broader than their scope of influence. Car companies did not "kill" the EV, it was a suicide! The concepts get better, but battery storage is limited and has lots of problems that most people have no insight into. This will move into legislation quickly because of an ill-informed public, and an un-informed legislator! Shady car dealers selling to politicians is a cliche, it's a punch line to a bad joke but it's comin!
nah... technology exist... i needed a car... i went shoping... and i said to myself... well self you can buy a 50 thousand dollar state of the art car that runs on electricity or i can buy a 25 thousand dollar car from bottem of the line bottem of the technology pile... and then i said to my self gee... at like 3 grand a year on gas alone and rising. thats like not even ten years with that car. then what will i make off it 4 grand. not to mention higher insurance prices and maintenence... then theres also solar which i need for my house anyways making electricity for my car entirely free
I didn't hear anything about the environmental impact of increased lithium production, or the other ingredients for the battery packs ! WHY NOT ?
The pretend to be greens never mention this , WHY ?
Yeah, and just wait until EV's start showing up in wrecking yards. I don't know, maybe transporting and disposing of (or recycling of) hundreds of thousands of lithium-ion car batteries might not be that big of a deal! (environmentally speaking)
@@shawnfinlay4952 Not to mention only a small portion of the batteries are recyclable. There' also the humanitarian issues (i.e child slave labor).
@@carlrood4457 You're right, I didn't think of that. Even though I knew the batteries aren't manufactured in the U.S. So it sounds like it won't be just Americans getting screwed on this deal!
@@carlrood4457 "Last year, Tesla reported that it achieved 92% battery cell material recovery in its new recycling process, and it recycled 1,300 tons of nickel, 400 tons of copper, and 80 tons of cobalt in 2020."
That is with very few of the batteries making it back to tesla. Most are sold to homeowners who use them for a few more years. Lithium is not mined by children with rusty buckets and no shoes.
@@danharold3087 All batteries aren't recycled by Tesla. Moreover, it's still just 92% - which combines the high quality and poor quality lithium. If you think 8% isn't a big issue, try imagining it for every single car on the planet. Have you ever seen those massive 'colorful' pools used for Lithium extraction? It's killing the ecosystem thriving in the soil and is polluting the underground water. The problem isn't battery electric vehicles, the problem is LITHIUM batteries. Shift to Sodium, maybe. And I'm all for it.
This story totally missed some major EV environmental issues: -- What about - the RARE EARTH METALS that have to be sourced and mined for the production of EV batteries. Next, how the electricity gets produced - Just because you don’t have a tailpipe does not mean you are not producing emissions. Combustion engines produce energy, batteries just store energy (and the energy has to come from somewhere). It is a farce when EV owners think they are saving the planet, when you include the total supply and manufacturing chain - this isn’t true at all.
Of course they have environmental issues, but nothing close to the what the continuation of using petroleum for gasoline will do.
Good news is, not only is the technology improving at a fast rate, less and less cobalt is being used for batteries; sodium and redox batteries don't use any plus it is highly likely in less than a decade, sodium will overtake lithium. The amount of petroleum needed to provide fuel for mining, manufacturing, EVs and thier batteries; and how much CO2 it will dump into the atmosphere, is small compared to the amount private vehicles use, using gasoline. Fossil Fuels raise serious risks for our grandchildren, but mining metal for batteries does not.
Solar and wind are the best to use as a transition while phasing out the use of fossil fuels and buy time for the nuclear industry to get its act together. Petroleum is too valuable now to waste as gasoline. We should leave as most of it as we can in the ground so our kids and grandchildren can use it for plastics, paint., etc. The technology already exists to recycle wind turbines, but it is not worth it yet. By the time windmills and solar panels start wearing out in sufficient numbers, there will be a recycling market likewise for EV batteries. There is always recycling where there is valuable metal. In the meantime, the fossil fuel it takes to charge EVs and to manufacture them will dump much less CO2 into the atmosphere than private vehicles using internal combustion engines. One nice thing about EV battery cells is, they find a second use in stationary grid storage. As I mentioned, when there are enough of them to create a market, they will be recycled to reclaim the valuable metals just like any other high volume appliance does nowadays.Also the technology already exists to contain lead, mercury, and cadmium when recycling batteries and it is improving by the year to the point that in about 20 years the need for mining will be reduced substantially. All the other mineral and elements in a EV battery are fully recyclable even after being used as second-life batteries.
Bottom line is that all energy sources and even recycling are dirty, The responsible choice to make is the least dirty one, not the one where you get to bill somebody else for the cleanup. What is being pumped into the atmosphere represents an enormous technical debt, which is much much more than all the tax expenditures and all the subsidies by all countries to wind and solar energy and EVs. The cheapest technology that produces electricity is utility scale solar, which has a much lower impact on the environment than that of fossil fuels.
@@rps1689 wow, please do some research and gather some facts and truth - realize that EV’s will NOT save the planet - it is a falsehood - If everyone drove an electric car, humanity would be way worse off. Period === ruclips.net/video/sytWLB4-W-M/видео.html ---
@@rps1689 The figure I read is that tesla is reclaiming 95% of the battery metals. Current these are batteries used internally during development as no end of life batteries are available for recycling. Used battery packs are being resold on ebay from between about $500 to something like $8,000 (buy it now price).
hahaha! of course they are not 0% footprint but do your research. You are cherry picking issues without any analysis. They are definitely a greener option
@@lesliehuegerich2314 Cherry Picking? That’s hilarious! China and India eat up whatever emission savings even if it is “way better”- Get real! (It’s funny how the larger world issues always get overlooked by greenies 😂😂
I don’t have the kind of cash flow to warrant purchasing a high priced EV. If the government are mandating all cars needs to be electric, they need to seriously look at who can really afford these EVs…
My brother bought a Used Chevy Ev 2017 with 30,000 miles on the Odometer for Only $13,000 dls his payment is $255dls a month,insurance $110 a month making a total of $365 a Month,most people can afford that given that my brother Gasoline bill was $480 dls a month is a bargain wich means the Car is paying itself no more Gasoline ever again,and no more Oil changes as well
@@magallon643 that’s great for your brother who may not be to drive long distance for work or for family purposes. Then the EV car fits the situation for him. It doesn’t fit most peoples need for distance driving.
What about the cost to replace the batteries when it is depleted? People argue that EV doesn’t require maintenance cost, but there’s the hidden cost of the batteries.
@@enigmo20 It is even worse for retired people that mostly drive to shop or visit medical centers. Our old ICE cars will outlast us and we only buy the gas we need. Chances are we would not break even on a used EV.
@@danharold3087 I hear what you mean. Some people replying on here assumes that if they can afford an EV, why can’t everyone else? The hard truth is, there are some of us that just can’t.
@@enigmo20 i also think of people living in residential buildings and parks on the street, they can't charge at home, there will be not enough public chargers, and the ones installed will probably be very much neglected if not vandalized. Higher ups may want thos people to take public transport, but unless you live in downtown of big cities public transport is basically useless. I stopped taking buses years ago cause i don't want to spend 1 hour more to get to a place, and having no freedom for when i want to come back. Unless they put out some revolutionary technology that solves it all, EV should be targeted to a limited audience. Specifically, upper middle class families who have a huge driveway, solar panels and 3 cars, who just needs one of the cars to take the kids to school and go to work and grocery shopping. For the enviroment, they'd be better off putting nuclear reactors on cargo ships
As my father used to say, "No ruddy way in the World, son!" Only an IT guy could design such a crass vehicle.
Each technology is used to build the next.
Because all those IT guys have their head up their ass. They honestly need to get shit on heavily and learn and they’re on board with evil. Until then they’re just a bunch feygits
As an IT guy - not all. I don't immediately adopt every technical trinket before me. In a world of perpetual beta testing, I'm happy to wait until the bugs get worked out. "Bleeding edge" can cause a catastrophic loss of blood if you aren't careful.
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Emergency Generator in the boot? 😮
If I understand correctly, lithium battery production is bad for the environment. Disposal of used lithium batteries isn't good for the environment either. Then there is the issue of how the electricity is generated, to charge the vehicle's batteries. Solar panel farms don't work so well on cloudy days, or at night. Wind farms have been known to fail in freezing weather and when they wear-out, their components are buried in large landfills, since they can't be recycled. When newer battery technology replaces lithium batteries, and the electricity supply production is resolved, EV vehicles may start making headway in replacing the internal combustion engine. As is stands now, EV's are a novelty item for those who can afford them, and only plan to use them for driving short distances.
Agreed. Tesla is only good for people that:
-drive short distances, not frequent road trips
-can charge at home in their garage, with 230 volts 50 amps
-live in moderate weather. Extreme cold or heat is not good for EVs
-can accept all of Elon Musk's hype and bullshirt
Agreed except for the distance they can travel over 200 miles in a single charge now.
@@abigailslade3824 A Tesla driven in the cold winter, with heater on, will get less than 200 miles.
I can put 300 miles of range in my gasoline car in 3 minutes, at thousands of gas stations.
A Tesla has to charge for 30 minutes, and sometimes you have to wait in line too.
Tesla Full Self Driving is years late, and *nowhere* *near* working as promised.
@@abigailslade3824 I totally agree. They have a range over 200 miles. I live in Texas, where I may want to visit relatives that live 200 miles away, and they don't have any charging stations near them. I could drive to locations close to me & home, but couldn't make longer trips that don't have charging stations. Texas is a big state with many miles between cities. I've also read that in freezing weather(or hot), the range is greatly reduced with lithium batteries. We just don't have the needed infrastructure in Texas to change to EV's at this time.
@@douglaslynn157 If 'liberal' means I'm not a Redstate bible-thumper, then yes I am liberal.
I live in a rural area, with large distances between work, home, and groceries, all in different towns. In winter, it is 0 degrees outside, in summer, it is normally around 100 degrees. EV's just don't work out here. Yet, my state is sunsetting gas car sales without lifting a finger to add in the needed infrastructure. I am not opposed to shifting to an EV, but where I live, they just aren't funtional.
Politicians tend not to live in the real world. It is what it is.
make biofuel or switch t LENR alchemy car
Agreed. It's like we don't exist.
Living my life as dictated by my car as opposed to driving my car as dictated by my life...I know what I would choose! This is doomed to fail. I used to drive from Sydney to Canberra and back again in a day... not with an EV.
Paris-Lyon (450km) is less than 2 hours by train and cheaper than taking the car. Anyway, petrol reserves are declining, there will be less and less, prices will go up and up. Keeping up with the petrol car will dictate your life anyway. Hopefully Australia will put good alternatives to cars for Sydney-Canberra (high speed train for instance).
@@johngonon1507 blablabla blablabla . stop repeating what you hear on news . Oil grows back ! first of all .. thats why petrol companies are going back to old fields not because they short elsewhere ! Just scamming you . Then va lire la transmutation biologique par Louis Kervran ...
then see what they really hiding in the "LENR" fuel cell by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries ..
@@johngonon1507 we'll all be riding horses soon enough. ev's wont be enough. only for the rich people. the price per kw will sky rocket if everyones forced to use them, then they wont even be able to power thier homes.
@@johngonon1507 budapest - Venezia 700km in less then 7h . a good cozze sleep and then to Sardinia. Visit all best beaches with your car stay in Airbnb and then let’s visit Corsica . You can have you Lyon train , I’m not against it . You can also ride your e-scooter- i solute you , just keep right side. Can also quarantine yourself for life in your cave and the world would be greener . Or best is to get a fourth dose that’s the optimal way to solve all the worlds manufactured and fake issues .
@@sekainiheiwa3650 Well glad you can do it currently. In a few years it won't be possible anymore. And I never said that train solves all problems. I just compared Lyon-Paris versus Sydney-Canberra, which is much better by train if you have one (which apparently is not the case in Australia). Generalizing what I said to all situations in life is kind of pointless.
The biggest issue I see is a lot of the core demographic doesn't have the ability to charge at home. People in some neighborhoods in bigger cities often only have street parking available. People who live in apartments also can't just simply plug a cord into the car coming from the wall.
They don’t want you to have the option to have one. EVs for the elite, and everyone else on the bus.
That's one reason why EV's aren't for everyone.
Truth, the sad part is that 1 of every 4 people who buy electric vehicles goes back to gasoline due to this issue
None of this has to do with what’s good for drivers, what’s good for communities, what’s good for citizens, or even what’s good for the earth. It is all about control. This is their way of making sure they have 100% control of who travels when, and where. They want us to live in the pods and eat the bugs. I want nothing to do with it
@@seank078 I know several people who went 'electric' and then back to ICE. It's not that electric isn't worthwhile, it just won't work for everyone. People need to wake up and study before buying.
"if we're hoping to turn all electric by 2030"? Lol. There's no hope whatever for that.
I haven't heard all electric by 2030. I have heard NEW cars electric only. But it will take at least 20 years from then to clear the roads of ICE cars, assuming enough gas stations exist to support them.
I’m keeping all my ICE vehicles. This whole politically switch reminds me of the failure that was “Cash-For-Clunkers”
Gas stations will soon become obsolete. Where will you purchase your fuel from?
@@JermaineMarcus Yes. And it reminds me of that picture tube TV switch for these costly $200 4k flat screen LCD TVs. Or the switch from the $150 or more cable or satellite TV monthly deals where they charge you $15 for "local/sports channels" and an additional $10 for "HD" for these new $65 over the internet TV deals where they don't charge any of that yet you still get all the same channels. Or these $39 or less phone over the internet plans where they don't charge you extra for long distance calls. I don't think any of that is going to work. Consumers are not going to put up with any of that. People want to pay more to get less. That's the way things work.
@@ecmonkey13 Soon? What a dream
Stopping for 45 minutes during a road trip is a deal breaker. I can pump enough diesel for around 600 miles in about 5 minutes at a commercial pump. Stopping for 45 minutes every 300 miles adds 2 hours to a 900 mile day.
Actually, a 45 min charge gets you 80% so you'd be stopping every 240 miles (and that's only the case with a fast charger, God help you with the third party generic chargers). See how well they mislead people?
@@goldenrod8861 Even worse than I thought. My long road trip vehicle gets around 1,500 miles to a tank. It takes a while to pump 200 gallons of diesel from one nozzle though. Usually around 10 to 15 minutes.
So how often do you drive 900 miles a day, I never do and never will if I can help it. Also if you drive that much you most certainly should stop a couple of times for at least 30 minutes for crying out loud. Commercial drivers have to by law. EV's are really not for long distance driving anyway they are for commuting mostly at this point so your argument really is moot. Also I can add 100 miles of range on my EV in 10 minutes with a super charger so 20 minutes gets me 200 miles and I like to stop at least every 200 miles when I travel to pee etc. That is a good 3 hours of driving but you do you.
@@jstar1000 "Moot" not "mute"
@@goldenrod8861 Lol, yeah I know, I type too fast, my brain can't keep up.
Three minutes at a gas pump versus 24 hours to fully charge an EV. That's why I will drive my gas-powered SUV until the wheels fall off.
#1 It doesn’t take 24h, at supercharger it takes about 30 minutes.
#2 You’re probably spending about 10x more for your gas than you would be for electricity.
@@youtubewatcher8982 if you charged only at supercharger stations it would be the same price as gas
@@jebes909090 no it’s not haha, trust me. Charging my EV completely at a supercharger (about 250 miles) usually takes 25 minutes and costs $10.
@@youtubewatcher8982 depends on where you are.
@@jebes909090 Canada, and in the US it’s also about $10
When an EV battery can be recharged as fast as a gas tank can be filled, then I will be interested.
As of now, a charge of one minute can go as far as 20 to 30 kilometres. A full charge takes about half an hour and can take you about 200 to 400Ks. On the more luxury models about 650 kilometres. Not ideal for trips that will take over 5 hours unless you are willing to take a break to charge it for half an hour and continue after the five hours. I have no interest in getting an EV until it can do a range of at least 1000 kilometres and the prices come down on a subcompact SUV to about 40K, which I'm told could be as close as five years from now.
I'll wait for the Dr.Brown wires across the streets. Full charges, no problem!
This is a business opportunity for battery swap centres or battery leasing schemes for some companies/car makers.. full battery swap within minutes. All the batteries are (supposedly) charged from the green-er(ish) source of energy and less issue of battery degradation due to fast charger (the batteries are charged in a more normal/slower speed for longevity)
Ill stick with my 2 stroke v8 thanks. I not of fan of 4 strokes and 2 stroke DFI is the way to go to make it an option. If there is to be electric we need overunity homopolar motor/generators tapping aetheric ZPE radiant energy everywhere from space. This is what Bruce Depalma built with his n-machine but was suppressed. Now it seem like the 2 stroke DFI engines are suppressed in auto/truck market except for the Rotax 850 etec turbo and Achates Power OP 2 stroker.
@@rps1689 “about half an hour”
If you are first in queue. Nobody cares about 2nd, 3rd in line at at petrol station given 4 mins a tank. But at a super charger, it’s 30 min, then 60 min, then 90 min. Yeah it’s a problem. People started walking off from their EVs w the wait, so Tesla started charging idle fees up to $1 a min.
Recently talked to a car salesman at a large dealership about ev's.
He said that they had an ev as a test run a few months back, but nobody was interested in it. To costly, and the amount of babysitting you have to put into it, and lifestyle it demands from the owner.
The manager sent it back.
I guess living in the farming communities of the midwest USA is not the place for ev sales or usage.
With doing my research I’m realizing it a lot babysitting. Also, the weather can damage those vehicles, especially if too cold,
@@2-MuleTeam The ICE car or EV is made from rocks, pebbles, sand, dead fish oil, and tree sap. Is that correct.
That sums it up extremely well !!
So it's ok as long as you don't drive anywhere where it gets hot or cold just park it in the driveway and look at it,maybe go to the local grocery store,finally the government will have you where the leftest want you,unable to get in a vehicle,anytime and drive anywhere in the USA you want to go,this has annoyed leftest Democrats for a long time,they want your freedom to travel severely curtailed.
@@2-MuleTeam I agree completely, these people live in a bubble, not the real world.
If you want to be environmentally friendly with your vehicle, you should drive your current one into the ground. There's so much embedded energy in it, that it should be valued more. Car makers don't like that kind of message. Here in eastern Australia, most of our electricity comes from burning coal which is much worse than petrol/gasoline.
Ive had a 67 ford truck for 20 years and plan on it lasting longer than me
No, CO2 is a good thing.
@@ricktd6891 To a point it's good. It went a bit far on Venus.
@@vk3dgn Sorry you believe in global warming scam propaganda, but Earth isn't Venus and CO2 doesn't control the temperature of either of them. Maybe go learn some climate science. Maybe go learn the fact that after the first 20 to 40 PPM of CO2 is in the air, adding to it does almost no warming at all. There's a name for why that happens. If you did research, you might know what that is. Do you?
@@ricktd6891 I don't believe in global warming scam propaganda. I was pointing out that some CO2 is necessary in the atmosphere but it has gone too far on Venus. Maybe Venus is a vision of Earth's future if CO2 emissions keep going up.
I am on disability and couldn't afford to buy a 30 year old used car much less a new electric car. My pickup is 23 years old and has been well maintained. 235,000 miles and doesn't use oil or leak antifreeze. Ot has a V-6 that still gets 24 miles per gallon and starts no matter the weather. I love my F-150 and will drive it till the wheels fall off.
My 2002 vehicle with 200,000 mi. only costs $100 to replace its battery every 5-6 years. The typical out or warantee replacement battery will cost between $13-$18k after about 8 years. What's the carbon footprint on changing out an EV battery every 6-8 years ... for $13-18K????
ON a conservation of energy basis ... to change from fossil fueled vehicles to all EVs the total electric generating capacity of the US will have increase its FOSSIL FUELED electric generating capacity by approx. 50% .... for the exact same amount of energy needed.
@@richh1576 Or we could build more lithium hogging solar and wind farms /sarcasm
To be honest you far better off keeping your old vehicle as long as its not too unreliable
Evs are not green at all no matter what the fuffiers say
The car industry doesn't give a shit what vehicle you buy as long as you buy one they are quite happy to sell you a ev or a F 350 truck
There is no recycling of ev batteries at the moment nor it seems any plans in the future so are these batteries going into some land fill in 4 to 7 years when the battery shits, its self ?
Ho and good luck in trying to sell you second hand ev ,the one you paid 70 to 80 thousand dollars for a couple of years ago and now you can't even give away
The car makers forgot to tell you that ?
With that in mind buying an ev sound like a bad investment where within 10 years you lose everything making the ev worthless
If you want reduce pollution in our cities a petrol electric vehicle is a far wiser investment and let's face it due the vehicles being so bloody expensive now buying g a vehicle is a big investment so it's very important to look at what type of vehicle you really need and your situation and lifestyle
Remember ebs have alot of limitations and not only in range
So evs cannot suit everyone and still have a hell of a lot of work to go .
Neither can you afford a new ICE car! I run 2 old pickups. I run a 79 min truck and a 91 1/2 ton 4WD.
In 10 years when there is such a thing as an inexpensive old EV I would love to get one. 200 miles of range would easily do the trick. Could live with 100 if the price is right.
Point is EVs are in early times.
@@danharold3087 just like any new tec there will always be teething problems
But with evs it's not just with the vehicles
Here in Australia our power infrastructure is crap at the best of times
Emagine it's summer and 40 degrees outside in the shadow and every bloke and his dog as the a/c running flat tac, it can even cope with that
Now Emagine tens of thousands of people coming home from work at 6 pm and everyone pluging in in their ev at the same time on that 40 degree day ?
As alot of homes only have on street parking how can they charge thier ev over night, oh and good luck finding a charging station at your local shopping centre that actually works and isn't damaged or vandalised
Owning an ev can actually be life-threatening if you don't plan and use common sense and brains
Emagine being out half way between help ,no cell phone reception of coarse on a 40 degree day in your ev with a dead battery
The wife seating next to you ripping you a new asshole and 3 kids in the back screaming cos they are hot and thirsty and the temperature inside your ev is pushing past 50 degrees and of course alot of people don't even bother to carry spare water
Of coarse with petrol and diesel vehicle 10 ltrs of fuel and a jump start from another vehicle got you out of danger or at least to the next service station
With a ev no one pasting by can help you with your ev
The best you can do is leave the very expensive road side furniture and get you and your family to the nearest truck stop with food ,water and ac
Then call a towing company to go pick up the piece of crap
And expect a bill you can't jump over
Perhaps testa and Musk should have that in their sales pitch when trying to sucker you into buying one of their so called green cars?
Even with petrol and diesel vehicle you can get yourself into serious trouble if your not careful and planyour trips even if it's only a couple of hundred kms down the road
Technology will not save people from mother nature no matter how much people think they are bullet proof
It's ALL OUR FAULT. Government keeps pushing their foot on our necks, AND WE JUST LET THEM.
NO ONE DOES OR SAYS ANYTHING
PREAAAACCHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a democracy you and I are the government.
@@tempest411 Except we are not in Democracy in the US.. we are in a "Two Party" Aristocratic Banana Republic.
@@richardbrout2242 Our two party system is better than the chaos that goes on in Europe. Like it or not, fewer parties with more members are far more effective than five or six parties, most of which are motivated by just a few issues, and completely clueless about others. I wonder if Germans would trust the Green Party in matters concerning the rebuilding the military, or international trade when everything is seen by them through the lens of being tree huggers? Also..all the issues that drive people can, once you cut through the noise, be categorized as something either the democrats or the republicans would get behind. It would be more effective for a group to work withing one of the other parties to shape that party's position on the issue in question.
@@tempest411 The only thing that matters IS what happens here
There are quite a few issues with EV that have been overlooked here. Repair is one of them. Having a 400V bus (some have 800V or more) mixed in with the electrical system can be lethal in an accident, during repair or even fixing crash damage at a shop. The days of affordable, simple and reliable transportation are over!
ignorant repair persons should not work on EV's DOH
@@douglaslynn157 ruclips.net/video/u2F9HKZ5VzA/видео.html
@@douglaslynn157 At least you don't stand to be cosmic zapped by 400V when working on a gasoline car, and even a pro can stuff up when tired. 🙂
@@geoffreyparker926 If the repairman is not trained they may get zapped. grow a pair
@@geoffreyparker926 you will never get ahead in life with a little child attitude grow a pair
An organization named "Cool The Earth" surveyed EV charging stations in San Fransico's Bay Area. It found twenty two percent of the chargers did not work. The organization waited one week and did a sample check and found no change in function.
Setup one nextdoor and keep it working. Drive that dude out of business.
you dont need a charing station to charge an EV, it will charge off of any electrical outlet, even in a cabin in the woods you are able to charge an EV.
@@educated_guess You are correct if you have days to charge your car. Don't recall the charge rate but on "any electrical outlet" it is very slow.
@@educated_guess that is correct, but unless you have a 240v system it can take thirty hours to charge enough to go 180 miles.
the bigger issue is it's not in the pervue to demand or mandate all electric anything. it does'n't do anything to mitigate cc. also changing all the vehicles and infrastructure is far more detrimental than just cleaning up fuels by making synthetic versions it's cheaper than dino juice , and captures carbon. keeping our ice cars is far superior than mining rare earth metals. this is about control, not cc.
The carbon dioxide emissions are actually beneficial. Benefits include increased agricultural yields, reduced winter heating costs and fewer deaths from hypothermia. The current mean surface temperature of Earth (15 degrees centigrade) and atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration (415ppm) are suboptimal. It is a popular delusion (Climate Delusion) that mans effects on the earth’s climate are significant and dangerous. It is lunacy spending trillions of dollars trying to prevent small and beneficial changes to the earth’s climate.
how much will the synthetic fuels cost? The research I've seen is that they are hoping to get the cost of a gallon of synthetic gas down to 10 bucks a gallon (current lab production is equivalent to $50 per gallon)
Back door to socialism
Don't forget that the global warming scare is a hoax. Remember the Univ of East Anglia unauthorized release of emails between climate scientists? Someone released the evidence of the global warming fraud and the media pretty well covered the story with a pillow until it stopped moving.
You realize that those in the American Government push these EV also prevent the permit to mining of these materials need to make the batteries. Pushing it off on countries that don't have and EPA. More pollutants in the air. The only reason to push it is to limit and control the American people.
When I watch videos talking about positive things about EVs, I hear about public and environmental health, but I don't hear anything about my wallet and it's my wallet that's going to buy the EV, if I'm convinced it's a good deal. But when I ask about price, I'm typically branded as being anything but an authentic realist asking about factors that are important to me. I've never been in an EV and while I'm open to them, I'm far from sold on them. For me it's not about resisting any inevitable change headed our way, it's about making sure the cost of whatever someone might be trying to force my way is affordable to my wallet and I don't lose my house trying to buy and maintain an EV.
@Peter Hicks honestly, the last place I want to purchase parts for my EV is Ebay and Amazon. Trust me, I have bought enough low voltage components from Amazon to know this. Quality assurance is pretty much nonexistent on those websites, and the LAST thing I would want is to have a faulty part that handles 110 to 480 V of electricity.
something that is also rarely brought up from pro-EV videos is the engineering and safety side of things. Battery degradation, battery and electrical component damage, etc. are always over looked in these conversations, and people think engineers just magically come up with solutions on the fly and everything will be perfect. The reality is, we cannot find a solution if we do not ask the proper and NECESSARY questions.
As someone who never bought a new car in 30 years of driving and done my own service and repairs...the EV mandate in Canada is a huge drain on the wallet. The housing is already at an unprecedented high and now I have to buy a ridiculously expensive vehicle and maintenance package? Lmfao 😆...you can keep it. Take your money and run...I always anticipated leaving for a better life, good weather, and lower cost of living. No future here...keeps getting worse.
whats the Canada Ev mandate? . omg they should not force you .. wow really?
@@CraigBMM There is no mandate...the one's with money are buying EVs as early adopters....there will be lots of lower cost used ones on the market soon
Notice libs ALWAYS FORCE their ideals on people when given the chance? Why do people keep voting these ABUSIVE people in?? I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO blessed to live in "Free America" Florida!! You can keep your EV-with ALL of its hassles! Anyone want to race me across the country? I will bet $100,000 that my 14 year old Dodge Magnum beats ANY EV and makes the trip in mere days while you will need a calendar to finish yours!! Nope-EV"s are just another way to squelsh freedom, track you, and fix a problem that does NOT EXIST! Enjoy one if YOU want to-just don't try and force EVERYONE ELSE to buy one if they don't want to.....😁😁
If you are miserable about fuel prices, that's more due to being dependent on a huge, complex, international oil and gas supply chain, the inevitable wars caused by same. And who knows what else that is out of Canada's control. Has nothing to do with EVs.
I personally prefer electricity. Cheap, abundant, and I can make it myself from the sun if the utilities get too big for their britches. Hard to beat something you can make yourself, you know.
-Matt
Come to South Africa you don't have to worry because we don't have electricity💀
Adaptation: The cheapest EV I've found in the Netherlands is about 30 000EUR with a 25kwh battery pack... it's over 5 years old... where I live we have about a car park for 200 vehicles, surrounded by flats, and not a single charger can be found...
i'm really proud of my southern italian region where ev market share is around 0,9%. Time will prove this ev scam.
i call bullshit. there appears to be far more EVs in the Netherlands than where i am from and the cheapest working EV here costs about 6000€. there are new EVs with 45kWh batteries avalible for 30 000€.
I think the buggy whip manufacturers may make a comeback.
@@hubertwalters4300 LoL
*"**#StoreDot** Batteries"*
Like I have been saying I'm sitting out from buying an EV for the next 2 years.
( I would like to wait longer but I don't have the patience)
The 1st EV I will buy will probably be in 2024, the way battery technology keeps advancing and at its current rapid rate a EV today with today's current battery configuration will be obsolete within 2 and a 1/2 years.
Prime example is that the early EVs with the "3G Technology" are now dead in the water with *"5G technology"* kicking in.
Without watching the video, my guess at one reason electric vehicle customers are switching back would be the fact that the replacement battery is an astronomically priced money pit in of itself.
I'm not sure how much they go for, without researching prices, but I've read or heard about this fact from somewhere.
Besides, quick charging the battery pack all the time will definitely shorten the packs reliability.
And on trickle charging mode, who's got 15 hours time to bring the packs up to an 80% charged state just to continue on with their trip? It's a no wonder that they put these charging stations at casinos and hotels!
You are hitting correct on all points, super charging greatly reduces battery life, but don't tell an EV owner this, they loose their freaking minds, and they will emphatically deny a trickle charge which will keep their battery alive for much longer, takes many hours, you will hear the same chant...
The funny thing is electric trains powered by hydro power and or nuclear power are the solution to the transportation problems. Both from the pollution stand point as well as congestion. EVs are not the solution since you are replacing an ICE vehicle on the road with another one. Also as of right now people are claiming EVs will pollute less over the long term. I'm not so sure about that. Regardless time will tell.
He said $13.5k for a Musk Model 3
Oh Boo Hoo! replace the battery! That canard again! One, the battery HAS to by law, work for 08 yrs, most are warranted for 10 yrs. IF it fails, it may be just one pack, and not the battery as a whole. And a Tesal Model 03 battery replacement is $9K. How much for your gas car engine? Quit believing every fool on the internet, and check my facts while your there.
Here's something people don't mention. In the US, we have a huge problem getting telcos to run cable or build out wireless in rural areas. The cost per capita is just too high. When they do, have it, upgrades like 5G lag behind. Who's going to pay to put charging stations in sparsely populated areas? Who will maintain them and what happens when charging technology changes and the stations are obsolete?
A lot of climate policy is driven by nations where the vast majority of the population is concentrated in a few urban centers. The US isn't like that and since COVID has become even less like that.
Rural electrification happened in the 1930s. Most people in sparsely populated areas will either charge at home or continue to run ICE cars. When electric cars predominate, the few remaining gas stations might morph into one-stop shops for "classic" car enthusiasts, complete with 50's-style drive-thru diners, repair shops, and a stores selling everything from auto parts to car-culture memorabilia.
@@dpg227 when will they be predominant? Doesn't seem like it will happen in my lifetime.
@@sparkyfister By 2030 maybe?
People who live in rural areas live in houses. Rural dwellers can charge their vehicles using regular 120V household outlets or get a 240V outlet installed if they do a lot of driving. I don't see the need for public charging stations in this scenario (outside of charging stations near major freeways, which is something that's already in process). It's urban/suburban apartment and condo dwellers who need public charging stations.
Solar city gives you the money to get solar panels and let's you pay for them with the money you save on electricity over time.
Modern problems, modern solutions.
When I bought my first car in 2019 at the age of 34, I was seriously limited by budget. I needed a cheap car that had long range and was cheap on maintenance. I settled for a Citroen C3 BlueHDI brand new, was like 20.000 dollars converted from DKK and thats with the insane 80-105% tax we pay here in Denmark on the cheaper cars(a tesla m3 new would be around 57000 dollars).
It's reached 71300km as of today and I'm still on my first set of tires (got summer and winter set) and my first set of brakes with around 20-25% left on them. That car has been dirt cheap to run and does 65mpgs easily during the spring and summer and 55-60 in very cold winter weather. I cannot get an EV with near the same range nor maintance cost as this, simply not possible.
The cheapest EVs cost around 30-40% more and are so bad and with the current price hikes on energy a tesla would only be around 25% cheaper to charge per kilometer than filling expensive diesel on my C3.
As the icing on the cake, my C3 is with a manual gearbox and I love driving stick. I will most likely be driving this car until it falls completely apart or a new engine is needed and considering how long lasting most diesel engines are when kept, that is going to take a while. If only I could put some biofuel in it instead of fossil B7 diesel.
In America, we get our first car at age 16. No young man would wait until age 34.
@@DerekDavis213 i never needed a car until i got kids and then i couldnt afford it. The drivers license alone cost me 2000- 2500 usd.
@@PeteTheL337 Wow the license is very expensive! In USA, drivers license costs just $40 usd.
@@DerekDavis213 yup. Everything is extremely expensive here. I think a license would have cost around 1200-1500 usd back when i was 18, some 19 years ago.
@@DerekDavis213 And why is this relevant here? It doesn't matter what you do "in America" because it adds nothing to the discussion. And believe me, we have been so saturated with American pop culture that we know.
"If you charge it too much, the battery can die." So basically that's a major problem since you'd want to keep your electric car as close to 100% fully charged as possible when you're not driving it. And not charging it will gradually drain the battery just like with a smartphone not being charged.
What happens when you get to your destination with a low battery and find the power has gone out from any number of natural or man made disasters and you can’t charge the vehicle just when you need it the most to escape danger ?
As mentioned in a prior post the same can happen if you need gas.
@@fyourfeelings8966 doesnt gas station have generators?
when the power goes out you cant get gas either. what do you think runs a pump?
@@divin3kag3242 uh, what bougie gas station do you go to? ever see a generator? what pumps gas in that generator?
@@lesliehuegerich2314 ummm the pump runs on electricity so if the power goes out and the generator kicks in the pumps are back online, thats just common sense
We have a 2016 30 KWH Leaf rated at about 105 mile range. It was purchased used, 3 years ago, with a certified warranty for around 15K. The 8 year battery warranty is generally transferable to a subsequent owner. At 6 years old, with 3 bars missing it goes about 75 - 80 miles which is a fairly typical level of battery degradation. Still have a couple years warranty left on the battery. Another lost bar on the meter will qualify it for a battery replacement. As a second car it serves us fine, as we have a level 2 charger at home. Although we live in Orange County California, surrounded by Teslas, finding a working charging station is often challenging, so we mostly charge at home and the vehicle rarely ventures more than 25 miles from the house. Our Leaf adds around $70 a month to our electricity bill and rarely needs a service department visit, so it is truly economical. All this being said, our electric car is still a bit of a novelty and definitely would not serve us as an only vehicle.
How many 2016 gas cars have an mpg drop of 50% after 6 years?
Thanks for sharing. Real world owners need to communicate more about the real world. If we want real solutions, we can’t lie to ourselves about the downside.
you have a lot of a novelty there its a toy period
If half the driving population in the US drives an EV then the power grid will not be able to handle all the charging it takes to keep them running. Also these charging stations and charging at home runs off about 95% fossil fuel.
While the US is lacking somewhat behind in renewable energy, 95% coming from fossil fuel is complete bullshit, pulled right from your ass where it belongs. Only 60% of the total energy production of the US is from fossil fuels, and about 40% is from natural gas. Technically natural gas is a fossil fuel but it's much cleaner than most other energy sources, many countries classify it as an clean energy source. Only ~20% is from heavy polluters like coal and petroleum. The rest is from either nuclear or renewable sources.
@@triggertits I said the CHARGING STATIONS run off 95% fossil fuel not all energy.
@@billbeeb1803 The charging stations run off the energy grid, and the energy grid is powered of a multitude of different sources. The most common sources are Coal, Gas, Nuclear, and renewable like wind and solar. You can't take a specific charging station at say where it's getting its power from, as the power is flowing freely in the entire grid and could come from anywhere. As I said before the energy grid os powered by a quarter being from coal/oil, another quarter is from natural gas, the rest is clean sources like nuclear and renewable. So I don't get where you're getting the 95% number from.
The cost of replacing a spent battery pack is outrageous.
There are places that refurbish battery packs for far less ,but they are hard to find.
Charging infrastructure is sketchy in some states like Mississippi where fast chargers are mostly Tesla.
I believe government may have to rethink it's strategy of car companies making only EVs.
Well hydrogen really doesn't help either as they want to make it with electricity, which that actually costs more to make a station and uses more power. In that regard just going all in on EVs is more economical. Currently the issue is EV charging station distribution. Currently there are already more chargers than gas pumps, but EVs go less distance so need them more.
Hybrid is also a very flawed strategy. Plug-in hybrids for example are basically your last step before getting a real EV. Then you just charge it at home and forget about charging stations. Regular hybrids a vastly less efficient and make far more emissions in comparison. They also have the flaws of mechanical issues with ICE and the complications of EVs while only being marginally better than conventional ICE cars. For example, the new Toyota Corolla hybrid gets about 52 mpg while the Volkswagen Jetta gets 42 mpg. Is it worth the complexity?
Charging stations though are guaranteed to get better, but in general it's basically necessity you put a charger at home. For the majority of drives then you'll never need to stop while also getting a cheaper drive.
@@Skylancer727 "going all in on EVs is more economical."
Really? What are you going to do when youre in the middle of daily black-outs in California? Sit by the side of a charging station hoping not to get robbed, beat or killed? They would need to build all these stations as stand alone using solar power with battery backup for night recharging
@@davenone7312 Both EV and ICE have doomsday scenarios. If there is a rolling blackout, you won't be able to put gas in your car either. A transition and balance is going to take time. For now, EVs just aren't for everyone.
Patience my son.
Lfp batteries are being offered with a million km warranty.. so you can now stop worrying mate ... As this is 3 times the life of an ICE car.
That's why I feel we need to keep both electric and fossil fuel. There are pros and cons with both but it seems fossil fuel is more dependable right now I drive a 2014 Ford expedition EL XLT my family and I are the second owners of this vehicle so far we haven't had a major issue with it☺️☺️☺️ and we have been putting heavy miles on it since we had it in which we bought it in 2015
It's almost a certainty this is how it will work. We're not close to having enough production capacity for the batteries required. This is at all stages, from mining to factories. These are a the sorts of operations that take years to get off the ground and investors are hesitant to put money into today's battery technology if it will be obsolete in a decade. I read a recent article that stated they'll have to concentrate on hybrids to come close to goals.
@@carlrood4457 not to mention our electrical grid will not be strong enough to support it and if we could build an electrical grid strong enough to support them you have to consider the more electricity you generate the more it attracts lightning so off the bat you will be facing two scenarios one where you will be forced not to be able to charge your car enough or power failure due to lightning striking
I regret buying a Tesla because I found out that there is a lot of EMF's inside the car and that give the head and body stresses. Especially on the passenger side and back seats, and on the floor, very strong EMF's. If you are sensitive to EMF's, don't buy a Tesla or any other EV's. All EV's should have a disclosure about their EMF levels inside the car cabin.
All great comments pro and con. We must remember we live in a global economy and environment. As long as the most populous countries IE India and China as well as many others are considered “developing countries” and not held to the same standards the US is currently cramming down our throats , emissions will continue to rise even tho the ICE and diesels are the cleanest they have ever been and the air / water in us is better than it’s been in 50 years ..
That's the thing they are cramming it down our throats I said why not keep both the electric industry and fossil fuel
God, even the higher middle class in the wealthiest nations on earth is struggling to use EVs. And that's with heavy government spending and mandating. We still have massive struggles creating the infrastructure and we make huge concessions. In developing countries, the cost of replacing the EV battery would be comparable to us buying a mansion, and they usually drive our leftover cars that would be on their 3rd battery by now, if they were EVs. In South Africa, they have regular blackouts already because their power generation can't keep up. And that's without EVs.
I doubt I'll live to see the day when they all switch to EVs. I can't even imagine our own lower class mass adopting EVs in any forseeable future.
I'll stick with my 35 year old IC powered car. It's easy to fix and the range is 100% of when it was new. It also looks much nicer than any EV car made, which is a nice bonus.
Agreed. For me, figured out I would end up losing money if I switched from my 2003 BMW to a $40K EV due to the insurance. I'm paying currently $50 for insurance and I'm looking at at-least $200 per month for an EV. That more than offsets any advantage I have from not using gas. With the way gas prices are going, however, that may change.
@@silent_anon404
Enter...E-gas, a synthetic gas they're working on.
@@tempest411 Are you lot not concerned about the air pollution around cities? Thousands die per year due to ICE vehicle pollution
@@ne270 The pollution controls they put on cars has them running very clean. People are NOT dying from automobile exhaust. They're dying eating too much, doing drugs, drinking alcohol, etc..
@@tempest411 OPEC will buy and bury the synthetic gas technology. Or, there's always the kidnap/assassination option for the oil sheeks.
The whole point is to stop us from traveling n going on trips. Car equals freedom, freedom to travel.
RIGHT!
So true
You must worship the climate change gods in all things. If the wind doesn't blow, you will be content to have the lights go out.
right
@Heckonwheels86
Before WWII, most homes were heated with coal.
After WWII,. most homes transitioned from coal to oil heat.
Why didn't "they" prevent that?
Then, in the 1970s, due to the oil embargo and price increase, there was a huge transition from moil to natural gas for heating.
Why didn't "they" prevent that from happening?
These days, many people are moving from natural gas for heating to heat pumps/electricity.
Why aren't "they" preventing that from happening.
I feel sorry for electric car drivers and future owners. They will simply have to learn the hard way .. as I did. These things are a huge hassle, all those lost hours sitting in those charging stations, huge anxiety, plus a outrageous expense in the long run. Good luck trying to sell a used Electric car with wore out battery modules. You'll find out nobody wants to pay the ridiculous price of batteries ... Batteries are very ... very expensive to replace ( thousands of dollars) ... and make no mistake, you will be replacing them. These batteries are highly toxic to our environment, with a high potential for disaster to our surroundings. LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE NOT GREEN CLEAN ENERGY BY ANY MEANS! ...
I wish I knew all this before I bought my car . Do your homework before buying !
Hey at least you learned. They’re evil dickheads walking around parading this EV nonsense non stop as if it’s some kind of savior technology. They need to burn 🔥
Accurate information.
The car is really just a battery with some accessories. The battery is the only part that matters.
As an electrical power engineer, I can tell you that our grid and generating infrastructure cannot support wide scale ev charging. It is unbelievable expensive to upgrade that infrastructure, both for utility and commercial buildings/installations. People do not understand this.
@@engadvantage exactly!!, by the time the grid is upgraded there will be a much better option like hydrogen cells, or a bio fuel. EV's just have too many issues overall. There are many you tube videos of people waiting 5 hours for a charge at a super charger.
You have really good point about hacking. Government could just stop you in your tracks if they wanted too, just like they are closing bank branches so people can only use a card. Cash will be rare, and probably most businesses won't even take it soon. Really scarry to think about.
95% of all electric vehicles are still on the road. The other 5% made it all of the way home.
My main issues with them is they're far too expensive and buying them second hand doesn't feel viable as replacing the battery is incredibly expensive. (I've never owned a car less than 10 years old. My current car an mb6 civic, is 22 years old and still going strong.)
The fire hazard, petrol of course has this but it also has warning signs be it smell or a small fire giving chance to escape if you're not stuck, batteries when they go, go fast, you have seconds before you're toast. Hydrogen is even scarier still in that regard as it's odourless, difficult to contain and if it does leak it doesn't set on fire but explodes with a pressure wave...
The range/charge time is a big turn off.
This is just my opinion but Tesla's are ugly as sin, they all look like the shell has been 3D printed with plastic.
I also question with them not having the same life as a well made engine, just how environmentally friendly they are at the end of their life, I don't know how much is recycled.
Also transport is a relatively small piece of the pie in terms of climate change and co2 output, and just converting to electric is an even smaller piece still, as they aren't 0 carbon, far from it, lithium mining and car manufacturing has a fairly large footprint, as does some of the energy used in those batteries.
So those thinking this is the big solution to climate change, it's not even close.
Good news is lithium will highly likely be replaced by sodium in a decade. The chance of an EVs battery igniting is 50 times less than that of a ICE, but your EV will be a write-off, but as you mentioned, you want to get your ass out of that car fast.
Good news is some automakers are going to stop using lithium ion batteries and use lithium iron phosphate batteries instead, which will make them safer that ICEs. Also it is highly likely in less than a decade, sodium will overtake lithium.
The technology already exists to contain lead, mercury, and cadmium when recycling batteries and it is improving by the year to the point that in about 20 years the need for mining will be reduced substantially. All the other mineral and elements in a EV battery are fully recyclable even after being used as second-life batteries. One nice thing about EV battery cells is, they find a second use in stationary grid storage.
Just like any other high volume appliance does nowadays with valuable metals in them, . batteries will be recycled to reclaim the valuable metals also.
EVs are not clean, but do not create the great technical debt that our grandchildren will have to deal caused by burning gasoline and it will ave more petroleum for them for creating plastics, chemicals, paints, etc.
@@rps1689 Thanks for that informative reply, when I said "I don't know how much is recycled." I really had no idea.
So what I'm taking away from that is it's not currently perfect with battery recycling as there are still some waste products but we're moving in the right direction.
Same with the safety concerns really, although I will say they may be 50 times less likely to ignite than a ICE which makes sense given the nature of an ICE but more often than not if a ICE catches fire you will have plenty of time to escape or even put it out, it's only really if the fuel tank is punctured you're in immediate danger.
But if you get a runaway effect with batteries the danger is immediate most of the time, so I'd be interested to know how those two factors balance out, there's also a lot more data with ICE's to go off though. So I imagine it's difficult to get an accurate picture on that for now.
I would be behind hydrogen as an alternative more than any other if not for being such a pain to contain and it exploding. It's a bit of a pain to isolate but there's literally nothing more abundant and doesn't rely so much on the power grid outside of separating it and only emits water as a waste product.
I can't get past the dangers of it though, imagining a motorway pile up with nothing but hydrogen cars is the stuff of nightmares.
One of the big challenges for EV's is to make them affordable and that hasn't done too well so far. The average person just isn't spending that much on a car.
For 1 new Tesla I could buy pretty much a lifetimes worth of second hand petrol cars. For it to be suitable for most people in terms of price, I think it needs to have a good second hand market and for that to be viable with EV's, either battery prices need to come down a lot or their lifetime be increased. Having a £10,000-15,000 bill looming over you for a new battery just doesn't work for a large portion of people.
I know that's ignoring the climate crisis but it's just the reality of what people can afford.
And as I mentioned transport is a small piece of the pie in terms of our cO2 output, 11.9% to be precise for road transport and a transition to E.V a smaller piece still.
Homes, businesses and industry use nearly 4X as much.
I'm not saying that means we should brush it aside, just that it shouldn't be seen as a solution or anything close to it, it's a small step in the right direction.
So unfortunately our grandchildren will probably inherit those debts anyway it saddens me to say. Less petrol cars will certainly have health benefits though, especially in cities.
It just won't stop the planet warming too much.
Climate change is a scam.
@@ab9957 The only way anthropogenic climate change could be a scam is if there was a conspiracy involving tens of thousands of researchers operating in secret since the 1950s, in control of the physics and geology departments of hundreds of universities worldwide. Interesting how climate change deniers that say it is a hoax, can never identify the hoaxers nor state the false claim clearly
@@ab9957 There's probably been numerous scams created from it, but climate change is a scientific fact with a vast amount of data supporting it. Don't fool yourself.
The more I watch videos like this and see all the things that happen with EV, like them catching on fire. The more I aim toward hydrogen propulsion.
Hydrogen cars are actually electric car, but they are charged by hydrogen. Yet you have something like, convert electricity into hydrogen, then convert it back to electricity. Why do you have to convert energy for the sake of time saving? Hydrogen generation will not only cost energy to distribution, but containment also need energy. Hydrogen needs to be in freezing temperature and pressurized to maintain its liquid form. Electric car right now is not perfect, but we need investment to continue its improvement. I don't care whatever people think about climate change. But at least you will not want to breathe whatever pollution ICE cars emit into the air just as everybody.
@@khangsector OK, you go with that. I'm working on not having to fill my fuel tank as often, I still need it for starting the vehicle. It is a 20 year old vehicle.
A lot better than being charged a high price for charging a vehicle for how long?
The fossil fuel industry will do well and knows it will be needed to produce better things than wasting petroleum on gasoline, natural gas, and hydrogen in order for our grandchildren to have plastics, paints, petrochemical feedstock medicine, etc. They know wind, solar, geothermal, or biomass is better to produce hydrogen fuel, which is known as Green H2, i.e., elemental hydrogen.
Hydrogen fuel cells are not limited by Carnot's Rule which is why it is likely it become an option for large mobile applications like cargo ships and locomotives and cargo ships; denser and more scalable than batteries.
The chance of an EVs battery igniting is 50 times less than that of a ICE, but your EV will be a write-off and you want to make sure you get your ass out of the car on time. Good news is some automakers are going to stop using lithium ion batteries and use lithium iron phosphate batteries instead, which will make them even much more safer that ICEs in regards to igniting. Also it is highly likely in less than a decade, sodium will overtake lithium and be the norm.
@@khangsector
There is nothing wrong with ICE cars that cannot be improved. I am sure if half the effort that was being put into making EVs was directed to making ICE cars cleaner then it would be far more beneficial. We are all living longer we are constantly told, so we can’t be being poisoned by vehicles at the same time! It is a contradiction. I live at the junction of a major road where thousands of cars pass at rush-hour, and I have never felt so well, and I am in my 70s!
With fewer inconveniences and more access to fuel stations than charging stations, plus the fact I can get from one point to another on a long trip much faster, I'm going to hang onto my good ol' gas powered car for as long as I'm allowed to. And with no more miles than I'm putting on it, I'm liable to have it for the rest of my life. And I've always believed this climate change hogwash is much too hyped up.
Some folk hype it up. but they are not climate scientists. They stick to the preponderance of evidence, which is what science is all about and it pays off - So far there hasn’t been a failed prediction from climate science and climate projections have been accurate for fifty years.
I totally agree! I’m going to hold on to my ICE car for as long as I can as well. 💯
Don’t ever let the government tell you your not allowed to have it...that’s part of the problem, they work for the people not the people working for and obeying them.
Damage to recharging stations (stealing the copper wires) is a problem in the UK, soon to come to the US. People also damage the unit itself by kicking it, backing into it, or vandalism.
I’m keeping my gas powered Chevrolet pickup. I’m going to college literally just to learn to work on cars
The range they quote is a lie as well. This will decrease rapidly if you are driving at highway speeds on a hot or cold day to ~100miles. I was in TX a few months ago and was riding in my friends Tesla. We started the trip with a 50 minute charge to top up, then after driving roughly 110miles had to stop and charge again…this time taking over an hr because all the chargers were being used at this location and we didn’t have the range to go elsewhere. Note: it takes longer to charge if the unit next to you is being used. So in summary our 2hr trip quickly ballooned into a 4hr trip. Not worth owning at all.
I'll keep my 2012 Fusion, I love that car.
You have to keep .
Fuel are always way better in all ways.
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Feeling driving pleasure exhaust sound that starting of engine feeling
Loved my 2013 hybrid fusion.
Fusion is a generic looking car, but solid.
5 min 300 mile fuel fill ups is still the way to go. No hopes and prayers to find a working charger and compatible app with other cars waiting in line there before you in winters freezing cold making me late to work. No DIY replacement parts, no aftermarket upgrade customizations, dealer only service, no resell value, NO THANKS !!!
I'm hoping more people by EV's so the demand for oil will go down along with gas prices. It's a win/win for everyone.
Not to ne mean but the demand of oil will never go away. Look at all the products in your house that are plastic to include carpet, clothing and house hold goods. and don't be fooled, electric cars have plastic parts in the also.
What a dope you are Kj. Did you even watch the video? Also you hope they by more? Buy--learned how to spell that in 1st grade.
What about the oil to produce the tires for the EV???
I also learned that to get everybody into an electric car we do not have enough cooper wire. So what than means is we would have to open 3 more copper mines to get the copper needed. I don't think that would be good for the earth..
And how do we pay for a car that cost as much as a house?
The average car purchase price new or used is around £12,000, so BEVs dont come close to being affordable for the majority.
Fire Departments have been equipping all of their vehicles with TOW CHAINS. When called to an EV vehicle fire, the first thing they will do is drag the burning vehicle away from anything else that will catch fire.
A Gas-powered vehicle fire can typically be extinguished in minutes with just the water carried by one pumper truck. An EV can take THOUSANDS of gallons of water and SEVERAL HOURS to put out the fire -- because the fires are chemical reaction fires within the batteries (in most cases) and these chemical reaction fire can be several hundred degrees HOT and simply applying water for a few minutes cannot put out these fires. And frequently, it can actually take several DAYS to fully stop the chemical reaction fire of an EV.
E85 fuel could be a massive game changer, especially in warmer areas of world, but "electric" has become the happy, sexy word. There is not one power grid in the world that would not crash if everyone were plugged in an electric car.
Yeah power grid is very outdated globally, we need a lot of work and funding towards better power grid.
It takes more energy to make E85 than you get out of it.
Better off with normal gas
There will be a long transition period before all cars are EVs. That should give the power grid upgrades enough time.
E85 alcohol fuel is reported to be bad for engines, fuel injection systems, etc in the long term.
92 octane gasoline works perfectly for 200,000 miles or more.
@@That-Guy_ Not where people can't afford these traps. In my country, the cheapest EV costs 150x the minimum wage. Nobody will drive here... and you will have rebels here in Brazil as we love cars. Take our cars and you will have a Sri Lanka.
@@Willowy13
New technologies are expensive at first but in 10 -15 years will be much more accessible.
13k dollars for just the part.... lmfao. That's your green solution, to build a car that will be useless in 10 years. No one is going to spend 13k dollars on a part for a ten year old car. It will be trash.
Not only that. If you drive for example a fiat panda, his parts are cheap and his technology is much more easy to repair. Try repairing a tesla in the middle of nowhere, you'll want to throw it into the woods, because it costs to buy the parts and the car is difficulty built. The fiat panda will drive another years, while tesla (which should be more "green") is not ecological at all. The point is to drive the car long, than buying every two years a new one. Where will the old tesla land? It sure is not biodegradable
FYI...As I've said above the LFP batteries are having warranties 1 million km.. lucky if you get yr ICE to last a third of that... The mechanical parts of an EV will fall apart well before the battery is unusable. .. And most battery packs are close to 100% recyclable.. so once there are enough batteries in the system to meet demand you won't have to make hardly any new ones ever again.. just recycle the old ones.
... all battery prices will continue to plummet.. all good news for EVs
@@gregchristie2763 when did you ever see prices plummet? Not in this world.
It is also the lack of multiple cycles. A new car looses half its value within the first two years. Setting aside this 'value for money' issue, there is also the fact that many people either don't want a super expensive car, or don't need one. So, they can try to balance quality vs price by buying a used car, and man is there variety there! With EVs this will be basically impossible, since the battery goes deader and deader every year.
Oh, and by the way, the ecological cost for constructing (and transporting) the components for an EV is such that they make little ecological sense, at least at this time.
Even if I had a charger at home, I dont want to pay a crazy electric bill
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid. The expert warns that EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced
One thing that a lot of manufacturers is that EVs is that they can't tow the same amount of weight behind themselves that a normal car can for the same distance, especially when you're looking at towing a boat or a caravan through a desert or offroad.
They can actually tow more to their own weight, the difference is EVs rely on efficiency for range which is why they're range drops far more than ICE for pulling things. EVs much like hybrids are also made far more for city driving and less highway. Obviously on the highway regenerative breaking barely helps. The issue with weight is purely we don't have bigger EVs. The model Y is one of the biggest EVs we have and is only a crossovers, not a truck or SUV. Compared to the Toyota RAV4, they have the same towing limit.
In comparison the Rivian R1T the only EV truck on the market can pull 11,000 pounds. That's about the same as max power Ford F150 at about the same price as well. It also has vector toque control since it has 4 motors so it's actually better for off-roading than really any ICE car. They showed that by doing a demonstration climbing a hill only modified cars usually do even on stock tires. As you can see, you just need to look at the same type of car.
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@@Skylancer727 have you ever seen any EV in the mountains? Neither did I. The most used cars for such places are diesel cars. Turning all the functions in your EV will suck your battery out
@Peter Hicks very few since most people know it'll chew the juice quicker on them.
You can always find a doomsday scenario. Just casual observation would also show that people buy vehicles based upon 1% of the uses that they will have for it. I see turbo diesel "dually" trucks doing the daily commute to the suburban office parks every day. It's probably because they tow a horse trailer to the mountains, once a year.
It's a free market, but that doesn't mean that every consumer choice is rational. Whether you adopt EVs or not, other values and biases make their way into your choices.
The main issue I see is that the electricity has to come from somewhere. We don't have an infinite supply of it. Right now the energy sources are shared between different things. Cars use petrol/diesel, which doesn't eat into the grid. If all vehicles abandon a perfectly good source of energy and start using electricity, it'll start putting way too much pressure on the grid. Secondly, EVs are not zero emissions because they still pollute indirectly. Anything that uses energy that's not solar is harming the environment in some way. Many countries still use coal to generate electricity and of course the manufacturing of the vehicles uses energy. So all things considered, is it really logical to replace all ICE vehicles with EVs? I think EVs should coexist with ICEs and share some of the burden. They're also great as city vehicles since they don't directly pollute the environment and the range and charging isn't much of an issue there.
We constantly hear of power grid failures due to scarcity, especially in the winter when power consumption rises. Many metro areas have been buying power from third parties to compensate for their own deficit. How are they going to bear the burden of adding all of their transportation needs to their already shaky system? This isn't a hard concept. If you have $200 in the bank, you can't withdraw $1000. If your credit is already maxed out, you can't even borrow the rest.
What happens if you “under estimate “ your remaining range and find yourself on the side of the road with no electric charge left? Does AAA pull up with a generator on board and you sit there for God knows how long while your battery is being charged? No calling friends with jumper cables to help out here!
In a Tesla, that information is calculated for u. Of course u can dance with the risk devil of juice/gas if u enjoy that kind of thrill.
You need a tow to a charger.
@@Species-lj8wh …. lol!
I'm not promoting EV's but I can tell you that you need to plan your trips accordingly and one thing I've seen by several sources is that the estimated miles shown on a full charge is over inflated by about 30%. So for every 120 miles it says you can drive, you can knock about 40 miles off that distance for the actual distance. So plan your trips accordingly, Plan for worse case scenario to be safe.
@@robertkarp2070 you’re not saying that manufacturers will deliberately overestimate the expected mileage with the hopes of selling electric cars, are you? ( lol)!
EVs are definitely not the best solution to environmental issues. It is redesigning our cities- reducing sprawl, building better infrastructure: protected bike lanes,wider sidewalks, pedestrianizing city centers banning single family zoning and creating mixed use developments, more public transit, removing car lanes, no more mandatory parking minimums, banning drive thrus and closing some streets to private cars entirely- cars should be heavily restricted in towns and cities- only traffic that is destined for the city and only where another mode (bicycle, e-bike, e-scooter, mobility scooter, bus, train, metro, etc) is impractical. This will make cities safer too. Your kids will thank you when they can go out and play, walk to school and be mobile without staring at the oversized billboards in the corner of the window they can see through as they are chauffeured around! Revert our cities back to spaces for work, life and play for humans- not throughfares for cars! I mean roads are dangerous enough without making death on wheels heavier and stealthier!
The biggest advantage for hackers is not crashing a specific car, it's deleting everything so they have no car. Bricking a car is as easy as bricking a million cars.
You made an incredibly important point there. After the bricking I guess you own nothing but a big hunk of trashed out metal and plastic? Oh, and have to pay for someone to take that piece of "Toxic Waste" off the highway for you and dispose of it? Now days, a Junk Yard might pay you $500-1000 for your broken down ICE car on the side of the road. After bricking they might charge you $1000 - 2000 to come pick it up and dispose of it? The "Green" in EV's is all that Mr. Readies that others are going to make off of you for being so dumb to buy one!
I'm a Home Inspector and do inspections out of a Tesla Model 3 long range and drive all over the Dallas Ft Worth area daily and drive way more then the average person. I average 100 miles a day or more. I have had my car almost 3 years with zero issues and have only had to buy tires once so far. I spend about $60 a month on average for electricity to charge it as the app calculates it from what I pay for my electricity. If I drove the typical truck which cost about as much as a Tesla Model 3 assuming I bought new like I did with the Tesla I would be spending way more on gas no doubt like probably $500 more a month in gas alone. Sure I can go cheaper by buying a clean used truck which actually I have but rarely drive because I love the Tesla and I love driving it more then my big gas sucking truck. All the commenters I read hating and talking smack about EV's have never owned an EV. I get that they aren't for everyone, in every situation and that's why I still have my truck for certain situations but they are awesome in my experience and most of the time and I will not give mine up.
Yea, you didn't figure in the $1000.00/ month EV car payment instead of like say $500-600/ month for ICE car - now did you?
@@r.c.salyer3652 No car payments here bro, also I bought a bunch of Tesla shares way back so technically I'm driving a free car that came with a bunch of cash to boot.
@@jstar1000 Great for you - smart man!
@@r.c.salyer3652 Thanks but I have done my share of dumb things as well, just got lucky this time. I have a bunch of stocks and crypto that are down over 80% as well so its not all roses. Tesla has been my saving grace, so far anyway.
1. Batteries are inefficient. 2. the acquisition of the raw materials for the batteries is very bad for the environment. 3. said raw materials come almost exclusively from china and russia. 4. recycling of batteries has not been addressed. 5. every recharge diminishes the life of the battery, quickcharging diminished it faster. 6. they do not have the convenience of ICE. 7. the electrical grid is already strained....and people still want to add thousands of EVs???? O.o
What about the envirnmental impact of EVs. The disposed of batteries could be a huge enirnmental disaster. There needs to be recycling of ev batteries or refurbishing by manufactures. Also, the cost of replacement batteries is a huge deal if it cost 10K or more. Then you also what happens when ev gets in wreck and spills battery acid all over the place. The number of cars that will be in line to get a charge at a charging station could really be a detterant to implemenation let a lone slow charge times. Politicians should rethink mandating elimination of gas powered cars for the propaganda of climate change. With the Russia war on Ukraine we need to work on making gas cheaper instead of stopping oil piplines and new drilling.
@Robert Lee I agree that the government should stop rushing toward the mandates for battery electric vehicles. In my extended family, that is just creating more pushback against electric vehicles. The market will move toward battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids anyway, and then in 10 or 15 years, the government can start figuring out what is a reasonable transition. Ha, I just used government and reasonable in the same paragraph! 😄
Not to mention the increase in muggings and robberies that will happen at these charging stations !
But Car Jacking should be less at these stations!
@@r.c.salyer3652 Robbers are the most advanced technology we have. They will ALWAYS find a way.
I'm a busy person, I've have better things to do, .. than to sit at a charging station picking my nose while waiting and waiting for vehicle to charge ... that's a good name for these stations ..... NOSE PICKING STATIONS
The problem for me is road trip charging- i do about 75% in the city going to and from work about 5mi/day and live in an apartment, but 25% of the time I make trips greater than 200mi. It's way to expensive to buy an extended range car for me, but the thought of spending an extra hour traveling home to my parents (210mi) is annoying and might cause my day trip to be grueling; my current ICE car gets about 35mpg on the highway and has a 400-450mi range on a 12gal tank so i can make it there and almost back with 1 tank of fuel so no stopping
I want to see the long term cost of ownership of owning an EV compared to ICE. Like 10 years. Never hear that stuff. I hold onto vehicles for a while and that’s important to me.
Many people online have reached 300000km with their EVs with no battery replacement (some even over 500000km)
There will likely be some thing you will have to replace in the future for sure. But an ICE will be way more expensive (service and break downs)
And if you treat your vehicle correctly (charge to only 80% unless you have to, no unnecessary acceleration and slow charging speeds at home, it will likely last waay longer)
its like 3k bro not much
@@010falcon dude teslas come into the shop where i work all the time and the drive units are always leaking oil be quiet man you know nothing.
@@010falcon Lexus and Toyota hybrids are doing far better (as far as reliability and quality) than Tesla and Hyundai, for example. Overall cost for fuel and maintenance after 10 years is lower for the hybrids, also. If replacement batteries are needed, those will be less expensive for the hybrids, since they are much smaller in size. Once Japanese auto manufacturers make EVs with low-cost solid state batteries, then this metric may change but for now, hybrids are the best choice.
@@davepaturno4290 cant believe that, atleast with the things i have read and heard from mechanics.
How do you come to the conclusion that a combustion engine and a electric motor (both combined) are less maintenance heavy than just an electric vehicle.
You have less moving parts, you only have batteries and electric motors. Both of which can last quite long (i have some experience since i work in, not the same, but a similar field)
Imagine your fridge (it runs forever, with no fatigue and or maintenance)
Plus even the oil changes of the hybrid cost something, which you dont have on EVs.
Another thing hybrid is just a stupid concept. I also dont believe in batteries for the normal car market. I am a big fan and supporter of hydrogen.
Imagine, no more long power lines which waste unnecessary energy (VW has the patent to fix the problem with hydrogen cells. Sadly they just block it...)
Just as info, you can use gas lines to transport power from lets say a desert to a city (solar panels)
This power can also be easily stored.
Am an outdoors person who wants to travel long distances in the wilderness where no charging nor gas station to recharge, refuel. Jerry cans are so handy for gas. Can i store electricity in jerry cans?
For me, when I stop traveling due to age, then getting a 250 mile with an EV might be acceptable if the lithium battery fire problem can be solved. As far as I know, that problem is not decreasing, but increasing-to the point that insurance companies are asking people to NOT put your lithium battery car in your garage due to fires.
For me to invest in an ev,3 things would have to change 1. Cost. EVs would need to come down, way down in price. 2. Infrastructure changes, more charging stations, every gas station should also have EV charging stations, at least 3. Charging stations for home use should be easier to use, less costly.
My lifestyle is already used to an ebike. I have to keep an eye on battery use, and miles. I've adjusted to that. My ebike although pretty powerful, gives me a good understanding for what I'll need to do.
@@duchessstudioband7896 Ebike is great solution. Small battery gives you huge utility. Everyone should replace their cars with Ebikes. But EV cars are not Ebike. Fat battery EVs weighing 5000+ pounds like Teslas are different story however and try to continue extremely wasteful car culture by another means.
Are you ready to sit at a gas station for three to four hours to partially charge a battery??
@@markbutler2444 a lie or are you that uniformed? Unless I drive over 250 miles in one day, I never even have to stop....ever. I plug it in at home and I'm good to go every morning. If I take a trip, yes, then I'll need to stop, about once every 3 hours. Both to charge and use the bathroom! About 15 minutes and I'm good for another 2-3 hrs.
Costs will likely go up since current battery production can't meet demand and ramping up production will take years
I believe trading in will be low . The battery won’t get the same mileage as new . Who will want a used E V ?
In a neutral perspective, I think electric cars are not worth the price. I've seen electric cars that can cost more than a Bugatti, but only if you're unlucky.
A second problem is information overload. Not everyone has the capacity to understand the technology of electric vehicles.
A third problem that I can see is that you need to use raw materials that are too rare to make the batteries.
I'm not saying electric cars are bad, but if you are willing to spend tons of money for something that weighs a lot and can be hacked, go for it.
The only thing that makes me sad is that electric cars don't have aftermarket support.
I return my Tesla is a nightmare to travel and the limitations to people living in apartments and much more problems
This video doesn’t touch on the real problem of where the materials are mined .. the impact the mining has and the fact less than 5% of EV Batteries are recycled
EV's suck. People don't want them because they're vastly inferior to gas cars. That's why gas became the predominant design 100 years ago: consumers saw that gas makes the most sense.
That’s why you have to wait a year or more to get one huh? People don’t want them 😂😂
@@Smi77y1 Yeah, and people sleep on a sidewalk to get Snoop Dogg tickets. That doesn't mean his noise isn't crap.
It's your money, dude. If you want to spend twice as much for a car that goes half as far and takes ten times as long to fill up, that's on you. But bragging online about your dumb choice doesn't seem so bright. Hey, here's a thought experiment: What other cars on the market require government incentives to get people to buy them?
We were at the Ford dealer the other day and one of the guys showed me an electric pickup truck the price was $92,000.00 and it weighed over 7,000 lbs. It's totally ridiculous.
92k? That's cheap. When I was looking for a truck a salesman said they had two on the lot for $140k each after "Market Adjustment". Insane
@@boss42971 Wow, I believe you, if someone got that kind of money, more power to them.
@@boss42971 what type of truck was going for $140k? An F250?
@@albertogonzalez1746 Ford Lightning F-150
The best compromise for now is a hybrid like a Toyota Prius unless you are certain that your journeys will be always be around town. If you always take short journeys around town home charging will work for you. This is why the Prius is such a popular choice for taxi drivers.
Ill keep my engine. All set with electric cars
And let's not forget one thing - in the future they're probably going to say that sitting on batteries for long period of time is unhealthy
Well yeah thats already known for lithium batteries. Even when not in use they degrade over time.
sitting on a battery in a collision is lethal!
Drivers of EV's who think they will beat high gas prices should remember, cities, states and the federal government receives tax money on sales of gas. With the reduction in gas tax revenue other taxes will be initiated, such as Florida's annual $135.00 in addition to the normal registration fee on EV's, also The Secretary of Transportation, P. Buttigieg, has stated he is in favor of a tax on milage to repair roads. The oil companies paid state and federal governments $388 billion between 1981-2008 for pumping oil. With less oil pumped, tax money will need to be raised some way.
HA! So true! Wisconsin is now doing the same. Higher registration and are also contemplating milage taxes.
A evs costs 25 to 35 percent more to buy new than the equivalent petrol vehicle so you have to travel 140,000 kms to even break even
Who keeps a vehicle that long now days ?
Evs cost more to service and repair especially the battery if it craps its self and no ev batteries only last 3 to 7 years if your lucky ,good luck in hotter environments
at 7 to 18 thousands dollars to replace and good luck in getting it replaced under consumer law at no cost
The used ev market is extremely poor and no one wants to buy a second hand ev so resale valve is crap at best
Plus there is no recycling of the ev batteries any where in any country with all the dangerous chemicals that go into making ev batteries or the child slave labour to mine the minerals to build the batteries
So much for going green and saving the environment
Cars make up about 4 percent of the world's carbon emissions
Coal power stations and old dirty diesel trucks in our cities are the major problems with pollution
Of coarse there are many other things as well
Having coal fired power stations to charge your clean evs is utterly stupid
Plus what about all the carbon emissions when the car maker builds the evs in the first place
We cannot consume our way out of climate change
If we really want to help the environment
Put solar panels on the roof at home , a solar hot water system , have a rain water tank to collect water and plan you trip to go to several places all in the same trip saving petrol and time
You will save more money and the environment doing the above things
than spending a fortune on a ev which as soon as you drive it of the dealership loses about 80 percent of its valve
Buying an ev is a personal choice but if you believe buying an ev will save the planet you have rocks in your head
Solar panels and planning you trips in your petrol or diesel vehicle will do more than some expensive ev when it runs out of power and becomes road side furniture
What happens when you stop for lunch and there are 40 cars ahead of you?
Well you could be thee for days!
Let's not leave out the fact that the plug you have plugged in your car is connected to a fossil fuel plant on the other side.
I'm a trucker by trade and I absolutely love my electric car. I have a nissan lead 2012, an audi etron 2022. And a hybrid audi q5e. They save tons of move. And so far I've been blessed with zero issues and no noticeable degradation in batteries!
If I owned that many expensive electric cars I would have to live in one of them because they would cost as much as my 6 acres and 800 square feet.
You sound like an advertisement with Chinese translation...
I guess the primary worry I have about EVs is the weather. I live in Pittsburgh and it can be very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. I don't own a garage, and even if I did, my workplace parking is an outdoor lot, so no protection from the weather for about 10 hours. In reality more. Anyone know how much damage extreme temperatures would have on EV batteries?
It will be fine, most EV batteries are continuously keeping themselves at the proper temperature. This video gave wrong info. 59 degrees is not a minimum temperature for EVs, more an optimal. The most EV friendly countries is also one of the most coldest. Norway
you dont need a garage but i cant stress enough at very least a 120 volt connection... you could live of super chargers alone but who wants the stress.... is my car topped off... will it start... do i have to go fill up before i go do anything or go to work that sort of stuff... if your connected to a 120 volt that all goes away... and for all you petrol heads no i dont wait hours to recharge nore do i wait 5 minutes to refill... i just plug in (takes about 15 secs) and forget
@@jasons7044 Yes, but EVs in Norway don't get the EPA mileage estimate. Not even close. And Norwegians are rich.
@@jonmcnabb6421
I already disconnect EVs and other vehicles when extension cords across sidewalks create tripping hazards for pedestrians.
The city of Seattle recently constructed an EV charging station a half mile from my house. It's posted no parking except when charging, but I notice that it's usually occupied by vehicles that are not charging, EV or not.
Presumably, an EV could park and plug in to charge when the person goes home at the end of the day, and return to pick up their vehicle the next morning. That would limit charging opportunities for other EV drivers, of course.
@@SeattlePioneer yea i dont think that exists... when ever im not charging and parked somewhere that isn't my electrical... i get charged idoling fees which are usually twice as expensive as the electricity theres a five minute or so grace period to get back to your car and unplug but uh yea thats why i avoid metropolis... last time i tried charging in van... 2 to 3 times as much for the parking garage as it was for the actual charge
“ shockingly bad charging times”! 😂 Great pun for an EV -love it🎉
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid. This expert warns that EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced
Got a Tesla a year ago. It was a larger hit than I thought.
I can attest that my wife rather uses the Tesla than her Lexus, the problem is that so do I.
This is even after having said that the Lexus GS hybrid we have is the most comfortable car I have ever driven.
The two times we have used it on a road trip, the Supercharger network have worked perfectly, we stop ever 3 hours and the loading is normally finished before we have eaten. (I do not consider a 100+100 mile return trip a road trip).
FYI I live in Sweden
Stopping every three hours is extremely frequent. Doesn't it take you forever to get anywhere?
I needed to drive from CA to FL (2600 miles) in 2021. I made it in 41 hours with two stops for food, fuel, and restroom plus another 6 stops for fuel/restroom and one stop for a couple hours of sleep. I'd hate to have to attempt such a trip in an EV.
@@kirkjohnson6638 I thought 2.5 days from Boise ID to Central Maryland was pretty good (via Price UT and Lexington KY - 2,600 miles approx). Longest day was 17 hours. Had two stops to sleep and eat, and 2 stops for fuel (almost 200 gallons diesel per stop). Have a restroom in the coach, so those stops are a minute or two. I think the drive time that google maps gave me was close to 40 hours. With the number of fuel stops, you couldn't have slept much at all.
@@rich7447 I was driving my car, so I was not subject to rules about breaks like in the trucking industry. I didn't sleep until I hit FL and finally had to stop for a few winks because I was starting to have trouble focusing. If I hadn't already been awake for about nine hours before hitting the road, I wouldn't have needed to sleep at all.
I certainly wouldn't recommend this to anyone, but I did it because I hate driving so much that I couldn't bear the thought of stopping at a hotel and then awaking to face another day (or two) of driving. I prefer to get all the pain over with in one shot.
@@kirkjohnson6638 I did the journey in a 42' private motor coach so no trucking rules apply other than I have to have a CDL. Once I start getting sleepy it is too difficult to ignore the fact that I have a bed in the back.
Glad you made it safe and sorry that you hate driving so much.
GM's million mile battery isn't a battery you never need to charge you dunts, it's a battery that lasts 1 million miles before massively degrading or failing. Storing over a million miles in anything of this size is literally impossible. Even the most dense idea, nuclear power, only gave the possibility of about 10,000 miles before needing a refueling. The difference is though that nuclear could technically do more, but it trickle charges a battery over time so the older it gets, the slower it charges and the less you can travel in one ride.
You’re an idiot. Idiots like you don’t need nuclear powered cars
5-6 years battery life, $15k to $20k to replace. Enjoy
Hmmm, interesting that the EV1 was mentioned as one of the electric vehicle failures, since it clearly discontinued due to it's inordinate success.
YA, I have been preaching "Who killed the EV1 ? " since I read that the Kia's are burning up . The only failure was that GM couldn't figure out how to get rich off the EV1. In the Wiki article, it sounds like we , the taxpayers funded 1.25 B in research costs for it . With a Nice 250 Million in profit for the project . PRICKS !!
There is a great documentary about it, but I can't remember the name. Worth seeking out.
@@someguy2135 That's what its called, Who killed the electric car ? 1996 I think
@@Wag2112 Thanks. Maybe I'll watch it again.
If you put that same weight of Li-ion batteries in an EV1 today, as it had in Lead acid batteries (1175lb), it would have a range of 450 miles and a 100kWh battery!
There’s a lot of EV hate and overall FUD in these comments. It’s interesting. I wonder how they’ll age.
It's not the cars we hate. I personally would love to have one. It's the lies surrounding them that we hate. This video is a good example, it claims you can get a Tesla for "no less than $40k". The reality is closer to $50k. Then I got a quote from my insurance company and immediately scrapped the idea altogether. As far as aging goes, we'll see maybe you're right. But I need to replace my car soon and not wait for history books.
@@goldenrod8861 That's a totally fair assessment. I too ended up not buying a Tesla because of the upfront and insurance cost. I just ended up getting a VW e-Golf, which is actually a very underrated and wonderful cheap EV. Really like it so far. But yeah, I totally understand your point of view.
It’s well deserved hate. Too many people have their heads up their ass to see the scam
So the battery doesn't work very well below 59°? Ever been through a Maine winter? One January it never got up to zero for the entire month. My gasoline engined old beater started every time. You can have your voltswagen!
You neglected to mention the cost of operations and maintenance.
My wife’s Bolt EV, with home off-peak charging, costs $.03/mile, fuel and maintenance.
My Porsche 911, premium fuel, costs $0.26/mile, fuel only. Nearly 9x as much.
Yes, big difference due to current gas prices, but even with 2021 fuel prices, still a serious advantage to an EV.
Plus, my wife absolutely loves never visiting a gas station.
But there is a premium up front for EVs. ROI is longer than most people keep cars leaving most people at a net loss.
the problem is when you factor in up front cost and battery replacement. It is the same exact issue with solar panels. You may pay less monthly, but that up front cost and the eventual replacement of the solar panels when they degrade, really takes a toll on the wallet and isn't worth it for the average person.
I'm all for alternative energy sources and electric vehicles, as I find both concepts fascinating from an engineering side of things, but let's not be naive about the engineering limitations and economic side of things.
EVs preceded internal combustion engine cars. They went obsolete due to problems with the battery.
The battery is still a big costly problem.
The Climate Delusion is the main problem.
Carbon dioxide emissions are actually beneficial. Benefits include increased agricultural yields, reduced winter heating costs and fewer deaths from hypothermia.
The battery problem is nothing compared to the technical debt cause by wasting petroleum as gasoline. Because fossil fuels are so heavily subsidized nothing else could complete until very recently. Fossil fuels come with free waste disposal. The other energy sources don't. It's a humongous externalized cost.
Co2 fertilization is a problem, as the increase in agricultural yields are only good for yields in food that is not that abundant in nutrition. That being said, CO2 increases foliage in some forests, but it’s a very weak feedback against anthropogenic global warming from increased CO2.
As for EVs, the good news is, not only is the technology improving at a fast rate, less and less cobalt is being used for batteries; sodium and redox batteries don't use any plus it is highly likely in less than a decade, sodium will overtake lithium. The amount of petroleum needed to provide fuel for mining and how much CO2 it will dump into the atmosphere is minuscule compared to the amount private vehicles use.
All energy sources degrade the natural environment and they are all are dirty, The responsible choice to make is the least dirty one, not the one where you get to bill your grandkids for the cleanup. What is being pumped into the atmosphere represents an enormous technical debt, which is much much more than all the tax expenditures and all the subsidies by all countries to wind and solar energy and EVs.
@@rps1689 You could argue the responsible choice is to rapidly industrialize the planet for quick and dirty space colonization, utilizing some source of forced labor and every energy resource available *AHEM* nuclear *AHEM*. Getting mankind off the planet is the only way to reliably prevent man from inadvertently destroying it. There would be short term degradation of the ecosystem, but inevitably life would march on, and the planet would likely recover rapidly in our absence. Also, as a space faring civilization, we would be better positioned to help the Earth recover with terraforming techniques. No matter what technology you create, man is going to continue degrading the ecosystem. With the number of cars on the road set to double by 2040, EVs simply won't be able to keep up with demand. There are only around 10 million on the road out of the total of 1.4 billion cars on the road worldwide. If you believe car makers are going to sell 1.4 billion EVs in the next 18 years I have a bridge to sell you.
If we take the 9 lbs of lithium in a Leaf times 3 billion (projected # of drivers in 2040), that equals 13.5 million tons. Estimates for accessible lithium on Earth is around 14 million tons, and those batteries will need replacing. Are you starting to understand the herculean task of adopting EVs on a global scale? It isn't a sustainable solution.
Most people are worried about the Earth because, well, they need it to live. But the Earth and life on Earth is far more durable than the human race, and if you ask me, that's what people really want to preserve. Themselves.
@@derrickmiles5240 An appreciated visionary response.
The world is deluded the amount of c02 to make the chargers and vehicles batteries is a lot more than a petrol vehicle ev batteries take the same c02 to make as running a petrol vehicle on e10 fuel for 15 years then you have charging points recycling points hardly green it makes no sense as cheaper ev s need batteries every few years.
I read a story a few weeks ago about how a municipality in France bought a fleet of electric cars, and when the batteries inevitably died they couldn't do anything with them. So they parked them in a clearing, the lithium leaked out and killed all the fauna in the area.
Replacing batteries isn't the only problem, the bigger issue is that there's no way to dispose of or recycle them
@@owen5640 There is a way of disposing of the spent batteries. Put them into shipping containers and dump them in the ocean. In the dark of night of course.
So…what’s your solution for fuel then? Petrol is not going to last forever!
Yeaaaaa we have expert here!!! (Liar). Electric cars are more green after 2-5 years of using. I dont provide facts for my statement because you dont want th see it. You have your own faith.
I think people are going to take the convenience of gasoline cars for granted
It's more convenient to charge at home overnight then have to stop at a gas station
Also no more oil changes to plan for
@@That-Guy_ what about brownouts or when you suddenly have to travel long distance? Don't be so short-sighted
@@rickshawwheelchair
Road trips can be done with the charging network (Tesla has the best by far)
Brownouts don't last that long and are typically during the day so not a big issue if you charge at night
EV’s are useless on long trips I don’t care how many charging stations you have a simple 2 hour trip could easily be 4 to 6 hours if there are many electric cars waiting to be charged not to mention if the charger is not working plus it will open the door for thieves to take advantage of people who are forced to stop and charge say at night in some rest stop it’s a lot of work that YOU have to do just so you can make some corrupt politician rich
@@johnjohnson9017
A 2 hour trip is 160 miles at most and most EVs and all Tesla’s can handle that with no charging stops. You are also vastly over exaggerating the charge time needed, you can charge up to 200 miles of range in 15 minutes. If you use the Tesla supercharger network the car will tell you how many stalls are at each location, if any are down and how many other cars are there charging currently. Security is an issue in some areas but people also get robbed at gas stations all the time.
EVs indirectly put out almost the same emissions than an internal combustion engine car, because mining and production of lithium-ion batteries makes a lot of C02. Plus EVs are much more dangerous to normal cars and pedestrians due to being much heavier.
And burn up 8.2 hours on average of your time every month trying to find a changing station if you're on the road,,, sometimes a person will loose 16 too 22 hours in changing times,,, none that are working or avaliable,,, other times a person can find one that work's right off the get go... if your life revolves arounds an electric car then have at it,,, granted one thing,,, if you live a busy hectic life style then don't even concider any type of EV... It will only add too more frustration and anger in your all ready complexed life style... You won't have too worry about savings either,,, your electric car will burn up all your savings you'll ever make,,, there is no way the """average""" person can afford a $27 too $32 G battery repair bill little lone all the other costs of repairs,,, and EV units need alot of repairs,,, good luck all,,, just like the old guy said,,, if your trying too get ahead in today's world it ain't going too happen when your ev makes you poorer then you all ready are... Dump $60 too $80 G on a EV +++ $100's of thousands too keep it running for 10 years then end up doing it all over again from Zero since your old electric car is worth nothing ... oh well,,, we cant fix stupid I guess
True, you can’t fix stupid. Learn to spell before you ramble on about facts you just make up.
Those numbers are untrue and spouted by someone that read something. You do not hunt for charging stations...the car tells you when you need to go to one and gives you directions to the closest station along with how many chargers at that station are in use. The typical charge is that you pull up, connect and go to the bathroom and get something to eat. When you are ready the car is charged. There are too many people that think they know what they are talking about....when they do not.
I can say from my personal experience, migrating from a gas car to an EV; it's easy to locate and visit a charging station. I live in the rural side of Maryland and they are readily available in small numbers and more toward the more industrial side of the state. There is no countless time spent locating a charging station unless you are unable to understand the premade route given to you by your car, or even using your phone app to locate an available location.
@@barryccollyer2429 Ok, but what the app doesn't tell you is whether or not the charging stations are functional. That is a huge hassle for EV owners and they are reporting such problems on RUclips, That they get to the stations and they don't work, primarily because no one is monitoring them and rebooting them. Also, who really has time to sit around for 30 minutes to an hour waiting for the charging to be complete. One out of five EV owners went back to gas powered vehicles because the EV's were too much hassle.
@@robertkarp2070 The app tells you if the are functional and how many are being used. I am most familiar with the Tesla stations as they are so much better (more of them and faster) than the other slow, and perhaps broken, stations.
Our infrastructure is in no condition for a mass EV conversation in the timeframe this administration is pushing. I’m a huge Elon Musk fan, he will be remembered as the father of EV but politics is and will hamper reasonable solutions. Be wonderful if the parents running their kids to 10 places could drive EVs. Let us keep our ICE without penalties or woke commentary about polluting the environment. You cannot buy a modern sedan that’s an environmental disaster anymore. Let the farmers and rural people have their long range trucks to work and tow. EVs simply cannot do that right now
And yet many people will remember Musk as a grifter, c0n-man, tax evader, and supporter of Ron Desantis in Florida for President. horrible.
And Musk is going to give horrible people like Donnie T a platform for misinformation: Twitter.