Gamescience Dice - Review
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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Gamescience dice were my gateway drug to precision machined aluminum dice
Worth noting: Model kits come in "sprues" and those are made the same way as sprues for dice. You have a bunch of model parts, or dice, or whatever, designed as part of a single mold which is filled with hot liquid plastic, then it cools and hardens inside the mold, and you pull out a sprue with all the model pieces or dice (or whatever else you were making) from the mold when you open it up. The rough edges are not the "sprues" themselves, but the points at which the item was removed *FROM* the sprue. If they're placed well, and cut off relatively cleanly, they should have minimal effect on rolling (and GS is specifically marketed on living up to that). They do now recommend - and so do many third-party stores selling them - to sand these sections down in order to get a better finish, but it's the "finish" that matters for, not the balance or fairness.
Those look like the dice I had as a kid back in the mid to late 70's and early 80's. We had to use white crayons to bring out the numbers. Great memories I hadn't thought about in many years.
Those were Gamescience dice. For nostalgia reasons I would love a set of random gem colors like I had back in the day.
@@ineffable1129 I'm pretty sure those weren't game science dice back in the 70's and 80's.
@@gravy229 Gamescience started in 1974. Gamescience and Chessex were the most common dice available when I started gaming around 1980 and I think a lot of gamers back then gravitated to Gamescience because the dice were sold individually and uninked which made them a better buy than Chessex.
Imagine if the d4s didn't have the edges cut off.
Resin caltrops.
Ow!
ouch
The real question is, who the heck is leaving their dice on the floor instead of a dice bag in the first place?
I have been using the same set of Smoke Gray GameScience dice since 1985.
Still my favorites. They roll well, and look GREAT.
If you want to "ink" them in a completely reversible manner, use a crayon like we used to do back in the day.
To remove the crayon, drop the dice into some mineral spirits for a couple of minutes and it will just dissolve away. The mineral spirits will have no effect on the plastic.
A cheap and readily available source of mineral spirits is ordinary barbecue lighter fluid.
Great review, I just inked my first set this summer! Can’t wait to see your method with inking.
There are some videos featuring Louis Zocchi of Gamescience on youtube. They are worth a watch, because he goes into a lot of technical detail.
It's a sales pitch, but it's also very entertaining.
I don't know whether they truly are more random than tumbled dice, or how much it all really matters in practice, but I really like the looks of the dice. They remind me of the ones that came in my Basic Set back in the 80s.
Hello Nate, just wanted to say that I’ve been watching your videos for about a year now, and i am never disappointed! I’ve been playing D&D since around ‘86. You have fantastic content in all of your videos. And as for dice, GameScience are pretty much the only dice i spend my hard earned money on! They truly are some of the best dice on the market. Keep up the great work 👍🏼
Thanks so much! :)
The sprue is where the opening for the mold lets in the plastic. These are clipped, but the user can trim with a sharp knife, etc. Got my first set over 30 years ago, added a few sets to it since.
Nice!
If you ever put together a plastic model, the plastic "frame" that holds all the pieces is the sprue.
Thanks for this excellent review. I'm buying some right now! Also, I notice that Gamescience sells really unorthodox sided dice (24 sided; 3 sided) dice which is pretty fun to work in with the DnD campaign.
Hey Nate really love your Videos, they are what made me play d&d for the first time.
I am dming now and used lots of your videos worldbuilding. I'm just missing something about drawing city maps would be so great.🔥🖒
Yo! I love Gamescience dice, always been a huge fan... a few things...
1. The dice are the most fair but the sprues have been proven to affect rolls... so you need to cut them off... just use an xacto... don't bother with filing
2. Best paint pen to ink with is a white extra fine Posca paint marker
3. Sometimes they do have QC issues with cheaper sets..my ugly dice sets have those terrible 1s on them... but my gem sets have a much more proper 1
Awesome advice. Thank you!
WASD20 no problem! Also, I would suggest not bothering with paint removal pens, you basically want to fill in the digit, then let it dry and you should be able to pretty easily scrape any paint on the surface off with your thumbnail. Inking actually goes fairly fast this way especially if you switch to a different die while you're letting one dry... Gamescience take a bit more work than your usual set of dice but it is more than worth it in the end!
Edit: also, on the topic of using crayons... that seems to work fairly well... I prefer paint... but i believe the trick to using crayons is to apply a bit of heat via hairdryer after filling the digit so that the wax adheres itself more...
ALSO: make sure you wash your dice with dish soap and water when you first get them...due to them being fresh out of the mold they have a fair amount of mold release which will make paint/crayons/marker not adhere properly.
Cheers
I've had my Zocci Dice for almost 10 years and they are the best dice I ever bought
I bought a pair of the clear "diamond" dice and have owned them for a couple years. I originally bough them inked (gold color) but it wasn't long before that completely wore off just from normal use. My advice is do not waste money buying them inked, but if you do want to ink them get a pen yourself so that you can re-do them when it inevitably wears off.
I've just left mine blank. I've gotten so used to it by now that it doesn't bother me that they're a bit difficult to read at a glance.
bought 2 pairs 5 months ago, and they really are superbly ballanced
Nice!
Engineer 1: We made these completely fair dice, we don't put them in a tumbler or anything
Engineer 2: How do we test if they're fair?
E1: Let's roll it a few hundred thousand times and chart the results
E2: but...
Haha!
Hahahah! Probability and game theory beat any dice.
If you want to test the balance of a die, a simple solution of water and salt (high in salt concentration) will allow it to float and by spinning it while it does, you can see if it commonly goes to a single side or group of sides. In case you want to test that starter set die.
TheExplosivvo I did that test on a ton of my chessex and only found 2 that were off. Even using those "unbalanced" dice, I wasn't able to show a large error in roll variance after 400 manual test rolls
I tried so hard to do this a couple years ago, but no matter how much salt I added the dice kept sinking!
VERY hot water to put more salt into solution
Yeah you need to supersaturate the solution which is only possible with heating the water.... and also fun fact: a huge part of the reason sharp edge dice are more accurate is because they roll less. The less a die rolls, the less time it has for it to find its center of gravity... which you don't want if your die is unbalanced
I love me some Gamescience dice. :) My son and I just took some time out recently to ink them all (I did the black Sharpie marker and he did the white crayons for the dark dice). I like how the dice don't roll as far and hence fall off of the table less.
Cool!
I have some chessex dice that have concave faces on the d20. I'm not sure how much it affects the die but it was so obvious it convinced me to get some gamescience dice.
1's on GS dice are often highlighted some way; to draw attention when you roll a fumble. Loved many sets of GS dice for a long time. I'll never spend my own money on any other dice. And, inking is no problem, just watch Zocchi's video on RUclips.
Dude... you aren’t old school enough. USE CRAYON!!! And then wipe it off. The wax stays in the groove. That’s how dice in the 70s / 80s were.... love that they are making them this way again and glad you made this vid. Crayon lets you trick out your colors WAY more and it is super easy.
Yeah, I mentioned that in the video, but I'm looking for a more permanent solution. :) The wax has a tendency to fall out of the grooves.
Use grease pencils. Lasts better than crayon. I have Game Science dice from 25 years ago that I have yet to have to retouch. While it limits color combos more than crayon, you can still get red, blue, purple, black, white, green, yellow, pink, and more.
Pfft. I have dice from 30+ years ago done in crayon and they still look great.
Who the fuck are you fooling? The amazon reviews speak volumes, some of the dice are jagged on edge and Gamescience recommends the dice require filing. WTF dice that require filing and the needs crayon to fill in numbers, those dice are defective half baked bullshit, the video is selling people sponsored defective dice. (EDIT2/11/2019) These dice have been removed from Amazon for being crap, and WASD20 should be ashamed for promoting this scammer shit.
@@maestromanifesto7697 Amen
Love my Gamescience dice. I prefer to ink them with a crayon. Wears off over time, but then I get to re-do them. Kind of therapeutic in a strange way.
I got a few sets but the last order came incomplete. I’m still missing my ruby and emerald dice. And that order was made summer of lasted year
Have you contacted customer service? I have found them quite responsive.
I can’t find these anywhere online anymore
Imagin stepping on a gamescience d4💀
Red Gnome worse than legos
Love mine, just a word to the wise thought, some DMs do not like players using non inked dice. There just seems to be some suspicion involved in rolls that others can't see. Still love mine and they are definitely good for DMing as no one can really see what you're rolling even if you don't use the 'rock in a box' method.
Thanks Nate. As usual great review. I'll probably now pick some up.
Thanks, Russell. AND I just noticed I spelled your name wrong in my Patron credits. Sorry about that! I'm a dummy :)
Well now you can fix it! Ha
Thanks!
The more you know. I copied it from an older video in which I also spelled it wrong! My eyes have been opened and it will never happen again. :)
I heard that the clear "crystal" ones are more precise because eye can see any bubbles that can throw off the balance. Not too sure how true that is, but sounds believable.
Hmm. Sure. Though, in their manufacturing process I don't think they are supposed to have any bubbles.
awesome video, but for clarification, the circled ones are included in the "Ugly Dice" sets because of how the "1" is positioned. the standard polyhedral sets do not have that "version" of the "1". secondly, that "blemish" is what is called a "clip mark". when the dice are cut from the rung after production, this little edge is left due largely due to the time necessary to smooth it down would cause the price of the dice and sets to increase substantially. but like Nate said, an emery board or fine file will knock that clip mark off. if anyone has any concerns about the randomness of the roll, there are videos on here done by gamers, not affiliated with Gamescience doing what is called the "salt water" test. comparing Gamescience dice with Chessex and other manufacturers. but yeah, Gamescience is the best for your money. especially if you are a serious player. the imports tend to favor a series of numbers, and i know some gamers prefer using these dice to roll higher numbers. which makes for a predictable game play. especially for attack and damage rolls. game on folks!
Thanks for the comment. You are correct on all fronts.
Yeah, I remember having to use a crayon on my dice way back in the 80s. I don't think I have those any more. lol
I tried that! Was not happy with the results. :)
I've owned Gamescience dice for more than 25 years and they ARE the most balanced and random dice out there (Yeah, I did the science for myself). I also had the pleasure of meeting Lou Zocchi (the owner of Gamescience) in the early 90's at his store in Gulfport Mississippi. He's a heck of a nice guy and interesting to talk to. BTW, you should get a Zocchihedron (d100) for your collection Nate.
I live about 30 minutes from his store during that time. Memories of a group of us getting up early Saturday morning to hit up his store before heading to another buddy's house to game.
That's great! I should get one of them d100s for sure.
Completely agree. These were the first dice I bought back in the early 80's. This was back in the day when "high impact plastic" dice were a prized possession... Best dice in my bag - like new after thousands of rolls - and definitely the most random/trustworthy.
Looking to buy two more 12 die sets for Dungeon Crawl Classics. Bonus bit: The die colors are almost exactly the same as when I bought them years ago (at least for turquoise, red and black)
Decent review! Thumbs up!
Aww man, I'm back at one of your gamescience videos. I just love the aesthetic of them... but I'm not totally convinced about the claims of increased accuracy. I want to get some to review. One day, when I'm a rich kid.
Here's a very in depth look at the balance and precision of these dice. I think it's pretty well-established by many others too. HOWEVER, nothing wrong with good old Chessex or cheaper brands. I've never had a big problem where I've noticed terribly unbalanced dice. Rolls have always seemed pretty random for me with others too.
Oops! The link: ruclips.net/video/tD2uy_jEUmo/видео.html
Use a dry erase marker, it will stay in the numbers but will wipe off the outer part of the die face. We did this back in the 80's.
Not a bad idea! I'll have to try it.
Just saying with flash like on that d20 it is not possible that the die isn't biased. That was quite a hefty chunk on that thing.
I am not sure that I'm convinced that they a perfectly balanced. I would imagine they are more likely to be random if there are no pits or air pocks inside. Still a good review.
There's pretty good research that supports that they are more balanced. Not perfect, but significantly better than any other brand. Many people have done the salt water test and found that they are indeed more balanced. Also, when each face of a die is measured, one can find Gamescience are much closer to equal on every face than other brands.
Yup old school crayon method for me.
These videos with Lou Zocchi are worth a look for some of the story behind what makes Game Science dice unique. ruclips.net/video/qXZbdZNuRIw/видео.html & ruclips.net/video/BJ-A5Ec-Ybs/видео.html
Thanks for sharing!
Game science dice are the only dice!!!
Legos don't have squat on GS dice. Pure pain.
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Ink would unbalance them. /giggles. Blemishes are scientific for weight. LoL. D&d weights dice to roll high I bet. High low helps.
Every damned dice set I've bought from GS all have the same ugly problem...every face to every dice was indented...the one perfect one was the d20, (minus the sprue stump of course), you only get good dice from them if you go there to hand pick the set or if they know lots of people will be seeing a review. you buy from them online and you receive the sets that no one picks out because of the problems. They told me they weren't replacing them, they told me they were also not inspecting them before they sent them to me if I wanted I could buy another set or refund my money...dont buy from GS, The customer is always right James (cs guy at GS).
They're very balanced EXCEPT one number, depending on the blemish. On their D20s, you will roll 14 significantly less than the other numbers. Compared to most other dice, sure they're more balanced... But the imperfection is predictable. I'd sooner just roll random chessex dice.
I'm skeptical. These are just injection molded like any other inexpensive dice so the claims sound somewhat overblown. Gamescience probably uses more stringent tolerances but the precision of injection molding is inherently limited and leaving it up to the buyer to file off the sprues seems like a really bizarre choice for supposed precision dice. And in any case, it's worth pointing out that casino dice features are largely aimed at preventing _deliberate_ cheating and shouldn't be over-fetishized. Sharp edges for example make it harder to inconspicuously file down the dice or to use dice control techniques. Using multiple dice and good hearty rolls will probably negate most of the inadvertent imperfections in reasonably made inexpensive dice.
so much dead air
damn that head tho
They seem nice as fuck. But at 80 dollars per set? Nah man. Ill stick with a grab bag of like 200 dice for half that price. Its dice, not sports cars lol. In this instance I'll take quantity over quality.
Precision dice. That you need to touch up yourself after the fact? No. These things just don't add up lol
They’re about 12 bucks a set.
And objective tests have shown they are far more balanced than standard cheapo dice. Mainly because the measurement of each side of the die is FAR more equal because they are not tumbled, and also because the casting process leaves them consistent in density throughout, as opposed to most dice which are prone to weight differences and air bubbles inside.
They look like the dice in my Rolemaster 1.Edition black box set. Really really ugly, haha.
They're less random not more thanks to the reduced variables.
Fortyhead
Ick those are quite ugly. But as a long time gamer. I look forward to Gamescience making more visually appealing dice.