Crazy how you win 6 Super Bowls, take pay cuts each year to help the team, go 12-4 and still aren’t given a contract to finish with the team you led for 20 years. Doesn’t a resume mean anything anymore? Oh, that’s right, I was thinking of Brady and how he was valued by Bill…
If you do the research you'll find Bill Belichick had a loosing record before Tom Brady he was horrible. Now Tom's gone and Bill Belichick is even worse than he was before Tom Brady. Do your homework the numbers speak for themselves
Big shout out to everyone on the show… The show has been extremely better.. You have all made drastic improvement… The fact that you all are respecting each others opinion makes the show easier to digest. 🎉🎉🎉
@@OKG2000 and first take will never be as good as it used to be with Skip. They ruined both shows. Shannon should of stayed where he was at. I don’t want to watch Shannon and SAS agree all day. I prefer Skips crazy takes on topics, it makes it fun at least. And I don’t watch ESPN anyway because of Malika Andrews. Which is why I need this show to be a success… “Common Skip” “ It’s my turn!” “Put your glasses back on!” Yup, I miss the old show as well. Skip should do more yelling at these guys lol..
Wow, the chemistry is improving between the three here. Everyone was able to speak and it wasn’t cringe or too over the top. Enjoyed the segment, keep improving. 👍🏻
He should have been fired when he crippled the Patriots on Offense and forced Brady out of New England, Brady is the type of player that should have retired with his original team like Dirk, Kobe and Jeter did
Didn't he just signed an extension this year? I know his offense stinks at the moment, but his Defense is legit and if Zappe ain't the answer, then they are in position to draft an high QB
wait you actually believed bill signed a secret 5 year extension? that was all fluff. just bill leaking things trying to control the narrative. confirmed to all be nonsense now that he was fired.
The only reason why Bill is getting “disrespected” right now is because of Tom. Tom left and the season he left, he led the Bucs to a Super Bowl. Bill Belichick has made the postseason one time since Brady left. Bill the talent picker(shopping for the groceries if u will) is still the same. The only difference is that Tom isn’t there. U can have a great coach but in this league, u will only go as far as ur QB takes u.
Right that's what everyone miss Nick Sabin is only a great coach and have a job as long as Alabama stay on top let him drop off for 3yrs and see what they think about him🤔
They need a GM. Regardless of succession, a GM will be needed. Keep Bill and have a GM implanted to work alongside Bill with talent evaluation and cap evaluation.
People seem to have no understanding how football works. Bill has missed on players. AS ALL GM's do. But show me a GM that puts an elite Defense on the field with no one getting paid big dollars. Also pretty good at O linemen although this is a down year in that area but they are getting better. He is solid at TE and pretty good at RB's. He has a decent tracker record with QB's if you go back and look at his QB's drafted. His real struggle is with WR. Thats the most deva position and Bill hates deva's. He needs to take a chance on real talent at wide out. I would draft Marvin Harrison Jr. first. Then look for a QB.
I'm also a Patriots fan, Nope this is a total rebuild it's time to be aggressive at the QB position, we will never see another Tom Brady again, he turned himself into the athletic QB that a lot of sports analyst said Tom Brady wasn't, we all knew Brady wasn't very athletic but he was smart knew how to take what the defense gave him & would go out there & absolutely destroy opposing defenses, with little to no talent at first on offense, that changed players from other teams that weren't really house hold names but had potential, Bill Belichick is the one who found Tom Brady he this man knew how to process defense, that's what Belichick was hoping mac jones was gonna be able to do when jm'cdainels left, yeah right with mp & jj look what happened, mac jones is an absolute wash here in New England in my honest opinion, Taylor Maye is that big body QB who can move the ball on the run & has damn good accuracy of has a fkin cannon for an arm
Exactly this is ridiculous then should bring someone in to help him as a GM or just hire a whole new GM but firing him as a coach is absolutely crazy 🤦♂️
Without Brady, Belichick is a great defensive coordinator that probably would have found a spot with any team once he wore out his welcome somewhere else. His sub 500 overall record without Brady speaks volumes. The longevity of his career as a head coach is owed fully to Tom Brady.
@@flacko_jody2130Better comparison Brady the year he left, then the next year with Cam Same roster, Brady carried that trash roster to a winning record and playoff berth Cam was AWFUL and they were under .500 Same roster Brady also went to the playoffs 3 TIMES in a row without Belicheck AND won a SB You Brady haters are funny man, Brady is the goat, he gets the credit
It doesn't "Speak Volums" Bill has won with multiple QBs.... Even with Brady, Bill AND TOM went a full 7 YEARS (!!!!!) without a SB ring from 2006 to 2013. During those 7 YEARS (!!!!) Tom (and Bill) lost to Mark Sanchez in the playoffs, Joe Flacco twice in a row. AND Eli Mannning.... Bc of those losses to Eli Manning, that MAY just get Eli into the Hall of Fame (when in reality , Eli is not really any better or much better than say Phil Simms (who is NOT in the HOF).... But Phil did have an incredible 1986 SB where he was MVP and was 20-23 with 3 TDs and ZERO turnovers. (Just goes to show- being a great QB IS about managing the team.... its NOT about having this athleticism that people are obsessed with today..... YOu can find a Brock Purdy or a Tom Brady or a Russ Wilson later in the draft.... you dont' tneed to spend a top 10 pick on one. Brady was with the PAtriots so long bc he 1) respected Bill 2) he showed Bill his respect by taking less money... If Tom would a been all bout himself and his money, BIll woulda gotten rid of Tom and drafted a Deshaun Watson or a Mahomes or acquired a russ Wilson etc. And Bill would continue getting to the playoffs - with great defensive teams.... Brady wasn't as important as people think - he showed that when he went to a LOADED Tampa team and threw 2 INTS in the key NFC title game in the 4th Quarter..... Brady also had less than 17 pts like 4 different times in his super bowl runs throughout the years.. Montana never scored under 20 in any super bowl..... People who think Tom Brady is the best thing to ever happen to the Patriots don't understand football...... Football is one about 1 player - even one as great as Brady.. Its about SO MANY Plays and players - Special Teams, Defense, Linebackers, DBs Olineman etc etc. Bill Belichick understands how to put all those pieces together. That's why Bill was in the playoffs just 2 years ago with a rookie QB. That rookie - Mac - was never spectacular..... but just like Phil Simms and other QBs Bill has won with (testaverde in the mid 90s. Bledsoe woulda been fine etc.).... Mac did enough to win. A QB like that just isn't worth the $30 million it would cost the Pats to keep Mac next year. Bill has already won a super bowl with a BACKUP at QB.... People who dont acknwledge and understand that will never understand history and the game of football. It hasn't "Changed" as much as people act like or think: Certain fundementals of football are stiill the same.... and you can win with a lot of different QBs. That's why Brock Purdy - a guy drafted in the like the 7th round - is a leading MVP candidate right now. With the weapons brock has, Mac could be doing something very similar in NE. Give Bill some more time and he'll build another champion like what SF has right now. Give up on Bill and he'll just go do it somewhere else - Cleveland or Washington, or San Diego or Houston etc etc. I'd love for him to come to Chicago. Let's do it. Bring in Bill - he won't be any worse than all the GMs the Bears have had for like 15 years now.
@@MrLarryLessor lmaooooooooooo Brady had MVP stats in the regular season with TB that season, and it’s funny you mention the nfc title game Hmmm 🤔 he threw 3 first half tds right? And what was his qb rating in the Super Bowl? Brady had 3 passing tds with no turnovers correct? Nice try with the Brady hate tho lol Team was 7-9 the year prior
@@MrLarryLessor 2020 Tom Brady’s SUPER BOWL Quarterback rating was 125.1 Lol is that good or nah? You mention Bill making the playoffs with Mac, they went 0-1 correct? They got destroyed correct? They 3-10 this lmao correct?
I believe Bill will be back next year. The defense is solid. The offense is fixable. Bill Ain't Going Anywhere. He'll be here til he retires... I hope. And I feel he's earned the right.
The one thing I do like about this show more than First Take is they seem to spend more time on topics and their transitions are a bit more smoother when they have to move to a different topic. I don’t like how First Take jumps from topic to topic just about every 10 minutes and how Molly cuts whoever is talking off abruptly to change topics
Sherman is 100% correct…the Patriots have to get this right because they haven’t dealt with a change of this magnitude is a very long time. They would need a coach and a GM and whoever those two will be walking into a meat grinder.
They have dealt with a change of that magnitude, Belichick did exactly that with Brady. Now it's time to get rid of the coach that rode on the coat tails of Brady. Patriots are going to be in a bad place for a while, may as well start with a new coach now and start rebuilding, we know Bill is not the one to get it done!
I never have liked the Pats but have admired their success and Belichick is my high school alum. This would be crazy to let him go without giving him a chance to redraft/regroup another time after all he did for that team with Brady.
Skip. Love the new show. Great job with the new cast selections. Wasn't sure the show would survive post LeShannon. But I was wrong. I'm a big fan of yours. So I was hoping. But had doubts... Congratulations!... What's old LeShannon up to these days ? 😆
New England would have had two more SuperBowls, if it wasn't for Belichik's stubbornness. He kicked Brady out and didn't play his best CB in the SuperBowl
@@Njbear7453 why was Malcolm Butler get benched. Bill Belichick sabotaged the Patriots by Benching Malcolm because he was forced by Robert Kraft to trade Jimmy G and keep Brady.
Just like Tomlin never having a losing season and you hear people calling for his job... It's crazy as a Bears fan I would love to have been used to that success over the last 20 years...
If the point is to not have a losing season, then Dallas should never had fired Garrett... Tomlin won because of a possible HOF at qb, and crazy defense, same as NE. Only difference is that NE's guy actually took care of his body unlike BR. But lets be real, Tomlin should not be fired, and Belichick has earned the right to call it quits on his terms... though if memory serves me right, the winningest HC of all time Don Shula was pushed out by my Dolphins when Jimmy Johnson became available... no one is ever safe in the NFL. Not even Tom Brady.
I know Bill is a great head coach..but I do think he is a average to below average gm..I wish he would just coach the team and have the patriots just bring in another gm/ advisor and see what the team can do..
Bills outdated philosophy of Brains over athletic pedigree is outdated and doesn’t work in todays NFL. You need skill players to win in today’s league, regardless of them being a “smart football player.”
If Matt Jones played even at an average level, with the way most of these games have been, and with that defense, the patriots could've easily been 10-3. Almost all the games they've lost have been one score or less and needed one play here or there.
Bill has won with multiple QBs.... Brock Purdy's success shows that Bill's formula still works - he just doesn't have the weapons right now. But that can change in just a year or so. Even with Brady, Bill AND TOM went a full 7 YEARS (!!!!!) without a SB ring from 2006 to 2013. During those 7 YEARS (!!!!) Tom (and Bill) lost to Mark Sanchez in the playoffs, Joe Flacco twice in a row. AND Eli Mannning.... Bc of those losses to Eli Manning, that MAY just get Eli into the Hall of Fame (when in reality , Eli is not really any better or much better than say Phil Simms (who is NOT in the HOF).... But Phil did have an incredible 1986 SB where he was MVP and was 20-23 with 3 TDs and ZERO turnovers. (Just goes to show- being a great QB IS about managing the team.... its NOT about having this athleticism that people are obsessed with today..... YOu can find a Brock Purdy or a Tom Brady or a Russ Wilson later in the draft.... you dont' tneed to spend a top 10 pick on one. Brady was with the PAtriots so long bc he 1) respected Bill 2) he showed Bill his respect by taking less money... If Tom would a been all bout himself and his money, BIll woulda gotten rid of Tom and drafted a Deshaun Watson or a Mahomes or acquired a russ Wilson etc. And Bill would continue getting to the playoffs - with great defensive teams.... Brady wasn't as important as people think - he showed that when he went to a LOADED Tampa team and threw 2 INTS in the key NFC title game in the 4th Quarter..... Brady also had less than 17 pts like 4 different times in his super bowl runs throughout the years.. Montana never scored under 20 in any super bowl..... People who think Tom Brady is the best thing to ever happen to the Patriots don't understand football...... Football is one about 1 player - even one as great as Brady.. Its about SO MANY Plays and players - Special Teams, Defense, Linebackers, DBs Olineman etc etc. Bill Belichick understands how to put all those pieces together. That's why Bill was in the playoffs just 2 years ago with a rookie QB. That rookie - Mac - was never spectacular..... but just like Phil Simms and other QBs Bill has won with (testaverde in the mid 90s. Bledsoe woulda been fine etc.).... Mac did enough to win. A QB like that just isn't worth the $30 million it would cost the Pats to keep Mac next year. Bill has already won a super bowl with a BACKUP at QB.... People who dont acknwledge and understand that will never understand history and the game of football. It hasn't "Changed" as much as people act like or think: Certain fundementals of football are stiill the same.... and you can win with a lot of different QBs. That's why Brock Purdy - a guy drafted in the like the 7th round - is a leading MVP candidate right now. With the weapons brock has, Mac could be doing something very similar in NE. Give Bill some more time and he'll build another champion like what SF has right now. Give up on Bill and he'll just go do it somewhere else - Cleveland or Washington, or San Diego or Houston etc etc. I'd love for him to come to Chicago. Let's do it. Bring in Bill - he won't be any worse than all the GMs the Bears have had for like 15 years now.
@@jacobwatson1406he’s one of the reason why the falcons suck too. His play calling has been terrible. He sucks at calling plays and he’s calling plays to a sucky player.
Finally!!! A great show between all of them. I didn't feel like anyone led the show and Skip got to talk without interruption. Way to go guys much appreciated. And THANK GOD BILL WILL BE GONE!!!!!!!! I have wanted him gone since 2007 when he ruined the greatest season of all time with Brady having some major talent at WR. In fact, the greatest talent he had had thus far. What a colossal loss watching Belicheck's D ruin the ending of the game after RANDY MOSS and BRADY yet again saved the day. Belicheck had so much time to call a time out and froze like a deer in the headlights. I can't even stomach to watch that game and never will again. It is also the game Brady hates the loss of the most. That epic failure cut to the core and it was all the fault of the so called greatest coach. Bill Belicheat.
Undisputed: I’m tired of these anonymous sources. Put your name behind it. Also Undisputed when some does puts their name. Undisputed: this person doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I've been a Pat's fan since the late 70's and if BB goes I like Mayo. Give him a few seasons to build upon the good players and see what happens. Most of these fans aren't old enough to remember anything but Brady. I also think Mac can be the QB if they keep a constant OC and build an O-Line that can hold up for more than 1 second.
So we firing the 31 coaches that dont win the Superbowl? Simple fact is we as fans are just spoiled at this point. Do we need better.. yes. Do we not want to celebrate this dude when he retitres as a Patriots legend?
As a pats fan i hope he can keep coaching as long as he wants for the team. Get the all time wins record... then retire. then a statue of him and brady in front of Gillette Stadium
Robert Kraft and Bellichick are cut from a whole different cloth than the rest of us...These 2 guys were born in the 40's and 50's, so the respect level they know about don't even exist in today's time no matter what the teams record is , so whenever that time comes for Bill to exit, it will be done with the upmost respect from Mr. Kraft and that is because of the era they both grew up in , that none of us maybe a few, knows about...and that's FACTUAL 💯
Gana be sad to see BIll go. What he does with defenses is just legendary. Even this year with the best rusher and corner gone they are still playing elite. His stubbornness is what his downfall is. Him thinking a bad offensive coordinator can help Mac because he succeeded with Brady. Him refusing to bring good offensive talent because Brady was able to work with less almost his entire career. His refusal to see Brady was the reason why and not him is his downfall. You can't lose a guy considered the GOAT and not adjust!
2 to 4 great games out of 41, routinely collapsed in 4th quarters in big games. Legendary? An average DC could have done better if he could invest as much as Belichick did on defense.
Doesn't need to be leaked to know the decision has been made. If they started looking to hire then the building should be changed from top to bottom because that is what Bill does. They will basically need to hire an entire new management. That is not easy to hide.
Bill Belichick and Bill Walsh and Don Shula and Vince Lombardi and Paul Brown are the 5 greatest football 🏈 coaches of all time. They need to keep him for as long as he willing to be with them. He is great with or without Tom Brady. He will bring them back to greatness once they draft Drake Maye this year.
Did Sherman say the defense wasn’t talented? They’re actually pretty solid despite missing their best player (Judon ) and their best rookie cb (Gonzalez) to injuries for most of the year. Need a real GM to draft some talent on offense. First round picks: Malcolm Brown Isiah Wynn Sony Michel Nkeal Harry Mac Jones Cole strange Pats need a real GM
Why would a team make a statement they are letting the coach go at the end of the season????? They generally will make the announcement when they let them go. Especially with 4 games left
even if he were to go to a different team to be the head coach, there will be more pressure placed on him than when he was on new england. Guarantee he will have to cook with the ingredients given to him by the GM who is someone else and that is gonna bother him and his ego.
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Crazy how you win 6 Super Bowls, take pay cuts each year to help the team, go 12-4 and still aren’t given a contract to finish with the team you led for 20 years. Doesn’t a resume mean anything anymore?
Oh, that’s right, I was thinking of Brady and how he was valued by Bill…
If you do the research you'll find Bill Belichick had a loosing record before Tom Brady he was horrible. Now Tom's gone and Bill Belichick is even worse than he was before Tom Brady. Do your homework the numbers speak for themselves
Big shout out to everyone on the show… The show has been extremely better.. You have all made drastic improvement… The fact that you all are respecting each others opinion makes the show easier to digest. 🎉🎉🎉
I noticed too, the first weeks were good then it got muddy now it's back!
Now I'm back.
Fox probably told them They'll cancel the show 😂
it will never be as good as it used to be but thats ok
@@OKG2000 and first take will never be as good as it used to be with Skip. They ruined both shows. Shannon should of stayed where he was at. I don’t want to watch Shannon and SAS agree all day. I prefer Skips crazy takes on topics, it makes it fun at least. And I don’t watch ESPN anyway because of Malika Andrews. Which is why I need this show to be a success… “Common Skip” “ It’s my turn!” “Put your glasses back on!” Yup, I miss the old show as well. Skip should do more yelling at these guys lol..
Right on. Been seeing y'all having more fun. And I'm digging the show more everyday.
Wow, the chemistry is improving between the three here. Everyone was able to speak and it wasn’t cringe or too over the top. Enjoyed the segment, keep improving. 👍🏻
I agree! The show is finally finding its traction. Next is to stop these silly segments with those rappers on Wednesdays.
I think it’s better when Richard is in studio.
Him losing gm responsibilities is the most realistic option or vice versa he maintains gm but they bring a coach in.
He’s a terrible GM too
great coach can't be gm though
More than likely he doesnt want to lose that power
He should have been fired when he crippled the Patriots on Offense and forced Brady out of New England, Brady is the type of player that should have retired with his original team like Dirk, Kobe and Jeter did
I think it worked out better for Tom than if he stayed.
Facts
Charlotte was Kobe's original team
Totally agree, that was a dumb move. Then Brady goes on to win another Super Bowl. Made him look like a fool
He also benched Malcolm butler in the Super Bowl . Cost em two rings right ? At the very least, he should of kept Brady
Didn't he just signed an extension this year?
I know his offense stinks at the moment, but his Defense is legit and if Zappe ain't the answer, then they are in position to draft an high QB
Jeff Fisher was given an extension in his final season with the Rams. He didn't even finish the season.
wait you actually believed bill signed a secret 5 year extension? that was all fluff. just bill leaking things trying to control the narrative. confirmed to all be nonsense now that he was fired.
The only reason why Bill is getting “disrespected” right now is because of Tom. Tom left and the season he left, he led the Bucs to a Super Bowl. Bill Belichick has made the postseason one time since Brady left. Bill the talent picker(shopping for the groceries if u will) is still the same. The only difference is that Tom isn’t there. U can have a great coach but in this league, u will only go as far as ur QB takes u.
Right that's what everyone miss Nick Sabin is only a great coach and have a job as long as Alabama stay on top let him drop off for 3yrs and see what they think about him🤔
They need a GM. Regardless of succession, a GM will be needed. Keep Bill and have a GM implanted to work alongside Bill with talent evaluation and cap evaluation.
GM and offensive coordinator. ERIC BIENEMY!!!
Not sure who for gm
People seem to have no understanding how football works. Bill has missed on players. AS ALL GM's do. But show me a GM that puts an elite Defense on the field with no one getting paid big dollars. Also pretty good at O linemen although this is a down year in that area but they are getting better. He is solid at TE and pretty good at RB's. He has a decent tracker record with QB's if you go back and look at his QB's drafted. His real struggle is with WR. Thats the most deva position and Bill hates deva's. He needs to take a chance on real talent at wide out. I would draft Marvin Harrison Jr. first. Then look for a QB.
I’m a pats fan and I think they should draft Marvin Harrison jr and sign a vet like mike evans and go after Kirk cousins in free agency
@@kennyftcummings6668 I like that
I'm also a Patriots fan, Nope this is a total rebuild it's time to be aggressive at the QB position, we will never see another Tom Brady again, he turned himself into the athletic QB that a lot of sports analyst said Tom Brady wasn't, we all knew Brady wasn't very athletic but he was smart knew how to take what the defense gave him & would go out there & absolutely destroy opposing defenses, with little to no talent at first on offense, that changed players from other teams that weren't really house hold names but had potential, Bill Belichick is the one who found Tom Brady he this man knew how to process defense, that's what Belichick was hoping mac jones was gonna be able to do when jm'cdainels left, yeah right with mp & jj look what happened, mac jones is an absolute wash here in New England in my honest opinion, Taylor Maye is that big body QB who can move the ball on the run & has damn good accuracy of has a fkin cannon for an arm
Keyshawn an Sherman are great editions to the show, some of the best players ever to play the game
the problem with BB only doing one job from a certain point on is that he'll never think the guy is doing a good enough job at the other function
Called this when Tom Brady came to Tampa Bay my hometown three years ago! It took 20 years but “Told you pats fans”
This is like coach Pop leaving the spurs, feels like the end of an era not just for the pats but for football in general
Crazy you win 6 super bowls and at the end you have a couple bad seasons they kick you to the curb. Does a resume not mean anything anymore.
Never has. Tom Landry anyone?
Same way they do to the players right? He’s no exception
Resume has never mattered in New England
in the NFL? No….. there is way more context that your overlooking.
Exactly this is ridiculous then should bring someone in to help him as a GM or just hire a whole new GM but firing him as a coach is absolutely crazy 🤦♂️
If it’s Bills time to go I wouldn’t mind seeing what Brian Flores is up to and if he wants to take over for Belichick
BF is straight 🗑️😂😂
BB Not going anywhere 😂😂😂
No. That’s stupid. Jerod Mayo is the guy
Yes please do. Us miami fans would be so appreciative😂
Flores is sue happy as a HC and uses the victim card. Not happening
I'm only liking this video because of Keyshawn.
That suit pressure Sherm.
Without Brady, Belichick is a great defensive coordinator that probably would have found a spot with any team once he wore out his welcome somewhere else. His sub 500 overall record without Brady speaks volumes. The longevity of his career as a head coach is owed fully to Tom Brady.
Look at his record without brady when he had the same roster lol. They went 11-6 with Matt cassel......
@@flacko_jody2130Better comparison
Brady the year he left, then the next year with Cam
Same roster, Brady carried that trash roster to a winning record and playoff berth
Cam was AWFUL and they were under .500
Same roster
Brady also went to the playoffs 3 TIMES in a row without Belicheck AND won a SB
You Brady haters are funny man, Brady is the goat, he gets the credit
It doesn't "Speak Volums"
Bill has won with multiple QBs....
Even with Brady, Bill AND TOM went a full 7 YEARS (!!!!!) without a SB ring from 2006 to 2013.
During those 7 YEARS (!!!!) Tom (and Bill) lost to Mark Sanchez in the playoffs, Joe Flacco twice in a row. AND Eli Mannning....
Bc of those losses to Eli Manning, that MAY just get Eli into the Hall of Fame (when in reality , Eli is not really any better or much better than say Phil Simms (who is NOT in the HOF).... But Phil did have an incredible 1986 SB where he was MVP and was 20-23 with 3 TDs and ZERO turnovers.
(Just goes to show- being a great QB IS about managing the team.... its NOT about having this athleticism that people are obsessed with today..... YOu can find a Brock Purdy or a Tom Brady or a Russ Wilson later in the draft.... you dont' tneed to spend a top 10 pick on one.
Brady was with the PAtriots so long bc he 1) respected Bill 2) he showed Bill his respect by taking less money...
If Tom would a been all bout himself and his money, BIll woulda gotten rid of Tom and drafted a Deshaun Watson or a Mahomes or acquired a russ Wilson etc.
And Bill would continue getting to the playoffs - with great defensive teams....
Brady wasn't as important as people think - he showed that when he went to a LOADED Tampa team and threw 2 INTS in the key NFC title game in the 4th Quarter.....
Brady also had less than 17 pts like 4 different times in his super bowl runs throughout the years..
Montana never scored under 20 in any super bowl.....
People who think Tom Brady is the best thing to ever happen to the Patriots don't understand football...... Football is one about 1 player - even one as great as Brady..
Its about SO MANY Plays and players - Special Teams, Defense, Linebackers, DBs Olineman etc etc.
Bill Belichick understands how to put all those pieces together.
That's why Bill was in the playoffs just 2 years ago with a rookie QB. That rookie - Mac - was never spectacular..... but just like Phil Simms and other QBs Bill has won with (testaverde in the mid 90s. Bledsoe woulda been fine etc.).... Mac did enough to win.
A QB like that just isn't worth the $30 million it would cost the Pats to keep Mac next year.
Bill has already won a super bowl with a BACKUP at QB.... People who dont acknwledge and understand that will never understand history and the game of football.
It hasn't "Changed" as much as people act like or think: Certain fundementals of football are stiill the same.... and you can win with a lot of different QBs. That's why Brock Purdy - a guy drafted in the like the 7th round - is a leading MVP candidate right now.
With the weapons brock has, Mac could be doing something very similar in NE. Give Bill some more time and he'll build another champion like what SF has right now.
Give up on Bill and he'll just go do it somewhere else - Cleveland or Washington, or San Diego or Houston etc etc.
I'd love for him to come to Chicago. Let's do it. Bring in Bill - he won't be any worse than all the GMs the Bears have had for like 15 years now.
@@MrLarryLessor lmaooooooooooo
Brady had MVP stats in the regular season with TB that season, and it’s funny you mention the nfc title game
Hmmm 🤔 he threw 3 first half tds right?
And what was his qb rating in the Super Bowl? Brady had 3 passing tds with no turnovers correct?
Nice try with the Brady hate tho lol
Team was 7-9 the year prior
@@MrLarryLessor 2020 Tom Brady’s SUPER BOWL Quarterback rating was 125.1
Lol is that good or nah?
You mention Bill making the playoffs with Mac, they went 0-1 correct?
They got destroyed correct?
They 3-10 this lmao correct?
Bill dont need to be a GM but his head coaching is still A1 ..
Hey guys, you guys are awesome. Keep up the good work. Much love EPT! ✌️
If they fire Bill then they should just re-start and bring all new staff here.
that's what i was thinking... the whole organization feels like it needs and is primed for a clean slate.
LOSING COACH without TB12!!!!
LOSING before Tommy!!!
LOSING after Tommy!!!
I believe Bill will be back next year. The defense is solid. The offense is fixable. Bill Ain't Going Anywhere. He'll be here til he retires... I hope. And I feel he's earned the right.
Is this all about Tom Curran trying to get his Adam Schefter on?
This is the best sport debate show. They talk on their subjects deep. More so than any other show right now IMO
first things first pretty good too but undisputed my favorite as well.
The one thing I do like about this show more than First Take is they seem to spend more time on topics and their transitions are a bit more smoother when they have to move to a different topic. I don’t like how First Take jumps from topic to topic just about every 10 minutes and how Molly cuts whoever is talking off abruptly to change topics
According to Skip and his delusion. It should be a black coach that replaces Belichick For black racism.
That's because Brady was there
Bill O'Brien for bill billichick you gotta be kidding me
Sherman is 100% correct…the Patriots have to get this right because they haven’t dealt with a change of this magnitude is a very long time. They would need a coach and a GM and whoever those two will be walking into a meat grinder.
They have dealt with a change of that magnitude, Belichick did exactly that with Brady. Now it's time to get rid of the coach that rode on the coat tails of Brady. Patriots are going to be in a bad place for a while, may as well start with a new coach now and start rebuilding, we know Bill is not the one to get it done!
You guys are hilarious. Belichick's "standard" is sub-.500. Stop propping him up for what Tom Brady did. You're making fools of yourselves.
I never have liked the Pats but have admired their success and Belichick is my high school alum. This would be crazy to let him go without giving him a chance to redraft/regroup another time after all he did for that team with Brady.
Bill has drafted 1 all pro since 2015 and it was a punter.
Do not disk BB that would be bad mistakes he would go to Chargers and make u regret
@@BrunoJawsHe also drafted Tom Brady.
@@fuhkyu8755 no he didn’t, a scout who actually DIED before he even saw Brady played a snap was the man calling for the pats to draft Brady
Belichimp can’t draft and he’s the main reason why the team has been trash for the past 4 years and he’s the worst GM in the game
If Bill is getting let go, its as a GM and not a coach. Keep him as a coach for one more year and go from there.
Skip. Love the new show. Great job with the new cast selections. Wasn't sure the show would survive post LeShannon. But I was wrong. I'm a big fan of yours. So I was hoping. But had doubts... Congratulations!... What's old LeShannon up to these days ? 😆
Check unc out on nightcap to know what he been up to
@dariusdafigga shannon weak with steph A taking shots at skip all the time
Lol the way sherm looked at key before he started was hilarious 0:34
New England would have had two more SuperBowls, if it wasn't for Belichik's stubbornness.
He kicked Brady out and didn't play his best CB in the SuperBowl
Belichick's ego also cost New England SB46 by playing a broken legged Gronkowski. Should've activated an extra OLineman and Running Back.
Did we ever find the reason why Malcolm butler was benched ?
@@Njbear7453 to this day nope
@@Rednova0629 that’s what I thought
@@Njbear7453 why was Malcolm Butler get benched. Bill Belichick sabotaged the Patriots by Benching Malcolm because he was forced by Robert Kraft to trade Jimmy G and keep Brady.
“If he gets fired and someone else comes in, they’re gonna get fired”
Bill needs to relinquish the GM role to someone else, he’s just not good at evaluating draft talent, which was manageable with Tom but not on his own.
😂 check your facts the only position he's been bad at drafting is wr aside from Edelman theve all been busts
Bill is a great coach, but Brady made him Legendary
4:55 lmao that look Sherman shoots Skip when making fun of Key 😂
Just like Tomlin never having a losing season and you hear people calling for his job... It's crazy as a Bears fan I would love to have been used to that success over the last 20 years...
The difference between Belichick and Tomlin is that Belichick is a proven head coach and Tomlin is a used car salesman.
Not even close Tomlin won a Super Bowl with Bill cowhers team then lost one then drastically underachieved when he had Ben Bell and Bryant
If the point is to not have a losing season, then Dallas should never had fired Garrett... Tomlin won because of a possible HOF at qb, and crazy defense, same as NE. Only difference is that NE's guy actually took care of his body unlike BR. But lets be real, Tomlin should not be fired, and Belichick has earned the right to call it quits on his terms... though if memory serves me right, the winningest HC of all time Don Shula was pushed out by my Dolphins when Jimmy Johnson became available... no one is ever safe in the NFL. Not even Tom Brady.
Your bears would be a great team if your QB could have delivered punches at critical, something Brady did for Belitard for 20 years.
I know Bill is a great head coach..but I do think he is a average to below average gm..I wish he would just coach the team and have the patriots just bring in another gm/ advisor and see what the team can do..
Bills outdated philosophy of Brains over athletic pedigree is outdated and doesn’t work in todays NFL. You need skill players to win in today’s league, regardless of them being a “smart football player.”
absolutely agreed
If Matt Jones played even at an average level, with the way most of these games have been, and with that defense, the patriots could've easily been 10-3. Almost all the games they've lost have been one score or less and needed one play here or there.
It never worked he got lucky the best player in history fell in his lap in the 6th RD
💯🎯👍👍
Bill has won with multiple QBs.... Brock Purdy's success shows that Bill's formula still works - he just doesn't have the weapons right now. But that can change in just a year or so.
Even with Brady, Bill AND TOM went a full 7 YEARS (!!!!!) without a SB ring from 2006 to 2013.
During those 7 YEARS (!!!!) Tom (and Bill) lost to Mark Sanchez in the playoffs, Joe Flacco twice in a row. AND Eli Mannning....
Bc of those losses to Eli Manning, that MAY just get Eli into the Hall of Fame (when in reality , Eli is not really any better or much better than say Phil Simms (who is NOT in the HOF).... But Phil did have an incredible 1986 SB where he was MVP and was 20-23 with 3 TDs and ZERO turnovers.
(Just goes to show- being a great QB IS about managing the team.... its NOT about having this athleticism that people are obsessed with today..... YOu can find a Brock Purdy or a Tom Brady or a Russ Wilson later in the draft.... you dont' tneed to spend a top 10 pick on one.
Brady was with the PAtriots so long bc he 1) respected Bill 2) he showed Bill his respect by taking less money...
If Tom would a been all bout himself and his money, BIll woulda gotten rid of Tom and drafted a Deshaun Watson or a Mahomes or acquired a russ Wilson etc.
And Bill would continue getting to the playoffs - with great defensive teams....
Brady wasn't as important as people think - he showed that when he went to a LOADED Tampa team and threw 2 INTS in the key NFC title game in the 4th Quarter.....
Brady also had less than 17 pts like 4 different times in his super bowl runs throughout the years..
Montana never scored under 20 in any super bowl.....
People who think Tom Brady is the best thing to ever happen to the Patriots don't understand football...... Football is one about 1 player - even one as great as Brady..
Its about SO MANY Plays and players - Special Teams, Defense, Linebackers, DBs Olineman etc etc.
Bill Belichick understands how to put all those pieces together.
That's why Bill was in the playoffs just 2 years ago with a rookie QB. That rookie - Mac - was never spectacular..... but just like Phil Simms and other QBs Bill has won with (testaverde in the mid 90s. Bledsoe woulda been fine etc.).... Mac did enough to win.
A QB like that just isn't worth the $30 million it would cost the Pats to keep Mac next year.
Bill has already won a super bowl with a BACKUP at QB.... People who dont acknwledge and understand that will never understand history and the game of football.
It hasn't "Changed" as much as people act like or think: Certain fundementals of football are stiill the same.... and you can win with a lot of different QBs. That's why Brock Purdy - a guy drafted in the like the 7th round - is a leading MVP candidate right now.
With the weapons brock has, Mac could be doing something very similar in NE. Give Bill some more time and he'll build another champion like what SF has right now.
Give up on Bill and he'll just go do it somewhere else - Cleveland or Washington, or San Diego or Houston etc etc.
I'd love for him to come to Chicago. Let's do it. Bring in Bill - he won't be any worse than all the GMs the Bears have had for like 15 years now.
I’m glad Richard Sherman made a come back from that situation a few years ago.
I don't think his ego will allow it but he needs to relinquish his FO roles if he wants to stay.
Undisputed will be my show forever
Bill should go to the Chargers or the Bills
Everyone in Atlanta is convinced he is coming here next year, along with Justin Fields.
Heard he's going to the Jets with Johnny Manziel.
@@peterk.rosenthal1417 That would be kind of weird having Bellichick in Atlanta to me. Fields is a GA native so that would make sense
As a Falcons fan I think we should give Arthur Smith another year with a real quarterback Desmond Ridder has wasted our entire season
@@jacobwatson1406 , I agree he has only had a couple of good games and doesn't use all our talent. I would love Justin Fields with our running game.
@@jacobwatson1406he’s one of the reason why the falcons suck too. His play calling has been terrible. He sucks at calling plays and he’s calling plays to a sucky player.
Bill isn’t going anywhere… The decision they are talking about is that he is staying
Finally!!! A great show between all of them. I didn't feel like anyone led the show and Skip got to talk without interruption. Way to go guys much appreciated. And THANK GOD BILL WILL BE GONE!!!!!!!! I have wanted him gone since 2007 when he ruined the greatest season of all time with Brady having some major talent at WR. In fact, the greatest talent he had had thus far. What a colossal loss watching Belicheck's D ruin the ending of the game after RANDY MOSS and BRADY yet again saved the day. Belicheck had so much time to call a time out and froze like a deer in the headlights. I can't even stomach to watch that game and never will again. It is also the game Brady hates the loss of the most. That epic failure cut to the core and it was all the fault of the so called greatest coach. Bill Belicheat.
GM: Adam peters
HC: Mike Vrabel
Asst. HC: Jerod mayo
OC: Josh McDaniels
DC: Devin McCourty
STC: Matthew Slater
The dream team 😂
Bill should take an executive role and not coach anymore. The regime is outdated and new system needs to take place
So install him in the FO to continue said outdated system?
@@Beemstarr so he gotta completely go?
he's a good coach he makes bad personnel decisions that ruined the franchise
Even if he stays he needs to removed from every personnel decision. That's been his downfall and he's been downright awful
Why isnt there this hand wringing about Tomlin? Hmm, what's different about him😂
I predict they hire McDaniels as their next OC.
Bill shud retire n enjoy the life.
He is the GOAT. hands down.
Undisputed: I’m tired of these anonymous sources. Put your name behind it.
Also Undisputed when some does puts their name.
Undisputed: this person doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Bye bye Coach
as a pats fan, I would love to see us hire Vrabel, Brian Flores, or Jerod Mayo as HC
I've been a Pat's fan since the late 70's and if BB goes I like Mayo. Give him a few seasons to build upon the good players and see what happens. Most of these fans aren't old enough to remember anything but Brady. I also think Mac can be the QB if they keep a constant OC and build an O-Line that can hold up for more than 1 second.
Yea all those bandwagoners don’t know what hit em!
This is now Keshawn and Richard Sherman’s show😂
So we firing the 31 coaches that dont win the Superbowl? Simple fact is we as fans are just spoiled at this point. Do we need better.. yes. Do we not want to celebrate this dude when he retitres as a Patriots legend?
Jerod Mayo is not the answer!
Brady said on the interview with SAS the Patriot will never be the same with out BB . he's absolutely right Bill will go out on his own time
Sherman be yapping. No one is expecting a Super Bowl in the first season clown. We just want to see progression vs regression
The biggest problem in New England is the General Manager.
But would Bill be willing to give up power and just coach?
Who will want to be GM if Belichick stays?
They didn't bring guys in - Belichick GUTTED the roster and Brady STILL won.
What happen to the system where you can just plug playerz in
Good conversation guy's!
Andy Reid was always better
They have the opportunity to be the new Cleveland Browns for the next 30 years who were last coached 30 years ago by Belichick
Belichick without Brady is like Superman without any super powers. Just an average guy.
No ones thinking that it could be mutual.
I like the show format!
Show getting better skip
Way to go Richard. Very classy about Coach Belechick, when you had the opportunity to bash the Patriots.
Ill believe it when I see it!
It's always time for a change there is change in everyones life..
Toms wrong this time.
Tom Brady won those super bowls
NEW COACH!!!!
Get a YOUNG guy, with a good 🥇🥇🥇record.❤❤❤
As a pats fan i hope he can keep coaching as long as he wants for the team. Get the all time wins record... then retire. then a statue of him and brady in front of Gillette Stadium
Robert Kraft and Bellichick are cut from a whole different cloth than the rest of us...These 2 guys were born in the 40's and 50's, so the respect level they know about don't even exist in today's time no matter what the teams record is , so whenever that time comes for Bill to exit, it will be done with the upmost respect from Mr. Kraft and that is because of the era they both grew up in , that none of us maybe a few, knows about...and that's FACTUAL 💯
The worst decision for skip and Shannon was to split up. Don’t know who needed what and why exactly but the thrill on both shows is no longer their
i'm not a fan of Shannon. Skip is fine when he's not talking about the cowboys (directly or indirectly).
Getting rid of Bill would be a mistake right now
Sherm said he’s been there for 20 years and y’all want to kick him out immediately 😂 let that go bro
Richard is the voice of reason.
Gana be sad to see BIll go. What he does with defenses is just legendary. Even this year with the best rusher and corner gone they are still playing elite. His stubbornness is what his downfall is. Him thinking a bad offensive coordinator can help Mac because he succeeded with Brady. Him refusing to bring good offensive talent because Brady was able to work with less almost his entire career. His refusal to see Brady was the reason why and not him is his downfall. You can't lose a guy considered the GOAT and not adjust!
2 to 4 great games out of 41, routinely collapsed in 4th quarters in big games. Legendary?
An average DC could have done better if he could invest as much as Belichick did on defense.
Cmon down to Carolina Bill 💯
I'm not a fan. But I know Bill Belichick will never be replaced.
Keyshawn and Sherman hit the nail on the head but this would've been way better without Skip 😂
Wait When The Patriots Select Another QB Possibly From Michigan 😂 And The Patriots Again Win Another Super Bowl
I think thats crazy talk
Bobby Slowik and Adam Peters and Jerrod Mayo
Bring him to Dallas!!!
Doesn't need to be leaked to know the decision has been made. If they started looking to hire then the building should be changed from top to bottom because that is what Bill does. They will basically need to hire an entire new management. That is not easy to hide.
Listen Brady's 7th ring was tailor made. People remember Belechick had a very good career prior to coming to New England.
Those are 767-300ER not 727 Keyshawn 😂😂😂😅😅 As a student pilot that's what stood out this whole segment 😂
Bill Belichick and Bill Walsh and Don Shula and Vince Lombardi and Paul Brown are the 5 greatest football 🏈 coaches of all time. They need to keep him for as long as he willing to be with them. He is great with or without Tom Brady. He will bring them back to greatness once they draft Drake Maye this year.
Did Sherman say the defense wasn’t talented?
They’re actually pretty solid despite missing their best player (Judon ) and their best rookie cb (Gonzalez) to injuries for most of the year.
Need a real GM to draft some talent on offense.
First round picks:
Malcolm Brown
Isiah Wynn
Sony Michel
Nkeal Harry
Mac Jones
Cole strange
Pats need a real GM
Steelers need to look at Belichick
Bill back to The Jets w/ Rogers! 🎉
Why would a team make a statement they are letting the coach go at the end of the season????? They generally will make the announcement when they let them go. Especially with 4 games left
even if he were to go to a different team to be the head coach, there will be more pressure placed on him than when he was on new england. Guarantee he will have to cook with the ingredients given to him by the GM who is someone else and that is gonna bother him and his ego.
He's not gonna go to a place where he's not in full control.