Tremor update posted: carlisuspension.com/2020-super-duty-rd/ Measuring a stock Tremor against a standard Super duty shows the Tremor to sit approximately 1-7/8″ higher in the front. The rear has quite a bit more lean on the standard Super Duty but, if averaged, about 1″ taller in the rear. With this in mind, our 3.5″ and 5.5″ systems on the standard Super Duty will actually be a 1.5″ and 3.5″ System on a Tremor.
Hi! A viewer of ours recommended this suspension for our new 2022 F450. We'd love to improve the ride without lifting the truck. We tow a 20K fiver and don't want it un-level or too close the t bed rails... We'd love to hear your thoughts.
If you haven't heard anything by now... you're dealing with a medium duty truck (450, 550) instead of a light duty (250, 350) that the Carli suspensions are designed for. You might want to check out Kelderman suspensions. They specialize in air suspensions for medium duty trucks.
Hi - Just ordered a 2021 SuperDuty and plan on using your kit. Told by the fleet manager its probably one of the first 2021s ordered. Not too far from your shop if you need a 2021 super duty to test the kit on. Truck should arrive some time in Jan 2021 so the fleet manager said. Drop me a message if interested.
Tremor update posted: carlisuspension.com/2020-super-duty-rd/ Measuring a stock Tremor against a standard Super duty shows the Tremor to sit approximately 1-7/8″ higher in the front. The rear has quite a bit more lean on the standard Super Duty but, if averaged, about 1″ taller in the rear. With this in mind, our 3.5″ and 5.5″ systems on the standard Super Duty will actually be a 1.5″ and 3.5″ System on a Tremor.
After watching this video and reading from the media section on your website regarding the 2020 SD. I compared your measurements to my fully loaded King Ranch F-350 your measurements are 3/4 to 1" lower than mine , so I went to the dealer ship and measured 5 other King Ranches and Platinum's, they all were exactly the same as mine. The front bump stop is at min 1 1/2" some 1 3/4" not 1" with all this being said if I lift the front up 3 1/2" it will be higher than the back, in my opinion Carli should come up with a leveling kit made for the 2020 platform classic blue smoke and mirrors in my opinion, Make a true 2 1/2 " for the 2020 and you will sell more and remain as a top manufacturer, this is a move that some of the sub par manufacturer's would do. The article is titled R&D, there is no D involved here.
Good to know they're seeing more that 1" in most situations. Ours was 1" to the bottom of the bump stop (not metal to metal, until the beginning of contact). Regardless, in terms of usable travel, 1.5" is unacceptable, 1.75" is unacceptable. If we were to do a 2.5" system to the new platform, they'd have a full 1" less suspension travel than the previous generation; this is an 11% reduction is travel all to lose 1" in lift height which WILL be felt. We're going to err on the side of performance, here - the 1/2" front high stance when no rear leaf spring option is added encourages the installation of the progressive add-a-packs which will again, result in better performance.
That’s what I thought. I’m not a fan of extreme poke either. I plan on using the same wheels and tires (along with your 5.5 lift once you get it launched) on a tremor which has the 1/2” fender flare and wanted to make sure it had at least some poke. I don’t know what the opposite of poke is - maybe “recessed” - but I hate that look more than extreme poke.
Awesome. Can't wait for the Tremor measurements. How well will the Innov8 G500s work with this set up. I believe they're a 17x9 with 5" of backspacing. thanks
We're not at this time. The 2.5" system has the same rear travel as the 4.5" meaning you need the super-long bags we use in the 4.5" System. Problem is, you can't install them on the 2.5" Systems or the lower piston sits too deep into the bag. Shorten the bags and you can't droop without tearing the bags.
@@thecarlisuspension any solution to this yet ? I'm trying to figure out a setup for my 2019 f350 towing 17k GVWR fithwheel. Is the only option a shorter bag like Firestone with cradle ?
Yes, we offer Diesel and Gas specific systems. You can check the retailers section of our website for the nearest dealer! carlisuspension.com/retailers/
How come u guys dont include a drop track bar and pitman arm with these kits. Wouldn't u wanna keep the those angles as flat as possible to reduce bump steer.
The angle on the linkage has less to do with bump steer than the relative angles of the drag link and track bar. Ensuring they cycle along the same arc (factory arcs are maintained) ensures bump steer/wheel feedback is minimal AND allows for substantially more up-travel. Drop track bar bracket and drop pitman would require longer bump stops shortening travel significantly.
So do u guys see more bump steer with 2.5" leveling kits over the 4.5 lift? Comparing the 2 seems the only difference is the drop radius brackets. Had a 2.5" level lift on my 17 f350 and bump steer was really noticeable over stock. Added a adj track bar, dual steering stabilizers, caster correcting radius arms and also tried castor shims to minimize bump steer. It helped but still drove me nuts. Just recently removed it all besides dual steering stabilizers and bump steer is tolerable again. Looking to purchase another system just trying to figure out which option is best. Thanks,
Dan, great video...quick question on the wheel size, that is the look I want for mine. 4.5" back spacing, 8.5" wide...zero offset. What diameter clears the brakes, is the Method a 17" or 18" wheel? Thanks much
There's a retailer locator here: carlisuspension.com/retailers/ Unfortunately, we do not have any shops in MN at this time. That said, many purchase our products from our stocking retailer network and take parts to their trusted, local shop to have it installed.
@@thecarlisuspension 2020 has shorter blocks in rear yet using same Carli coils up front so should be nose high, regardless CJC trucks look perfect so all well. Not get off Facebook and get those 7.3 gas kits rolling out the door....
6:11 This right here. I just don't understand why guys are buying superduty trucks and then reducing their payloads back to non superduty. What is the point? Do they ride rough stock? Yep, because you can tow and haul massive amounts of weight. There is no free lunch. You don't get to change the suspension so it's nice and cushy and still tow/haul anywhere near what you could before. Having said that, guys will still tow/haul what they did before and claim all is good. That is because they have no idea that they are exceeding the limits of this new system. The truck isn't going to let you know it is about to exceed itself and give you a really bad day....it seems fine and then it happens. Anyway, I won't be dicking with my system this much.
The point is, you can get a Diesel, 4x4, straight axle truck that rides well! Super duty describes it's hauling ability and build quality - not all who buy them do so only to tow. That said, we offer systems that make them ride well AND options to maintain the payload while increasing the ride! You can have the best of both world in this platform.
@@thecarlisuspension Okay. If a guy had a F350 CCSB and went with one of the 2.5" systems and opted for the "add-a-pack", would he still have the FULL stock tow/payload? For instance, on a 2021 F350 CCSB Platinum (so full loaded with options) the stock payload is around 3,700 lbs. Without adding airbags, because they do not give you more payload, do the add-a-packs offer that amount of payload? From the videos I've watched you seem to dance around this a bit. In one of the CJC Offroad videos they were careful to say that using the add-a-packs would give the truck a "F250" stock payload. I take that to mean the F350 would lose the 800-1000lbs of payload it has over the F250 when going with add-a-packs? Do you test them somehow to come up with your payload capacities?
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 Going to be doing a video on this, exactly. The short answer, the main spring pack, NOT the overload, is what's responsible for the truck's payload. As only the overload is altered, the payload remains. Where the rear end sits when loaded changes (but so does the front when leveling the truck with a lift) but not the actual capacity. The Full Replacement Leaf Spring packs are what reduce the payload to a "Light 3/4-ton". There's not dancing around the number as there isn't one. Deaver assigns this capacity and won't put a number to it - they're the spring manufacturer so we answer the question the way they do. Above stated, we will be doing a video to answer these questions when we purchase our new super duty.
@@thecarlisuspension Awesome. I really appreciate the response and look forward to the video. I am totally not opposed to adding air bags to help with sag when loaded up but I want to retain my original stock payload, within reason. I realize you might lose a bit but I wouldn't want to drop 1000 lbs or something. That is why I opted for the 350 and not the 250. I was resigned to going with your front set up (which is amazing by the way) and just adding a 1" larger block in the rear just to make sure I didn't lose too much payload and just deal with the rougher ride. Anyway, I'll look for the video. Thanks!
The adaptive steering is finicky, for sure. I HATE the lane-keep assist (buzzing wheel) but that can be deactivated. Honestly, if you're running sufficient caster, steering wheel is dead-straight, and you have our steering stabilizers, we've not found the adaptive steering to be problematic. It's when things are incorrectly setup that there's a problem.
At the 4:05 mark, it is stated that it is a 5.5" (new sizing - 4.5" old sizing) lift. I'll leave it to Carli to clarify what would fit with a 3.5" (old 2.5") lift.
Had a great conversation with Carli customer service today. Very helpful.
Great to hear!
Absolutely Awesome !!! Best Damn company out there Period !!!!
looking forward to the tremor results, love to get mine level
Tremor update posted: carlisuspension.com/2020-super-duty-rd/
Measuring a stock Tremor against a standard Super duty shows the Tremor to sit approximately 1-7/8″ higher in the front. The rear has quite a bit more lean on the standard Super Duty but, if averaged, about 1″ taller in the rear.
With this in mind, our 3.5″ and 5.5″ systems on the standard Super Duty will actually be a 1.5″ and 3.5″ System on a Tremor.
Looking forward to the torsion sway bar for the 11-16 trucks. That’s the last piece I need!!
Hi! A viewer of ours recommended this suspension for our new 2022 F450. We'd love to improve the ride without lifting the truck. We tow a 20K fiver and don't want it un-level or too close the t bed rails... We'd love to hear your thoughts.
If you haven't heard anything by now... you're dealing with a medium duty truck (450, 550) instead of a light duty (250, 350) that the Carli suspensions are designed for. You might want to check out Kelderman suspensions. They specialize in air suspensions for medium duty trucks.
That truck is beautiful!
Hi - Just ordered a 2021 SuperDuty and plan on using your kit. Told by the fleet manager its probably one of the first 2021s ordered. Not too far from your shop if you need a 2021 super duty to test the kit on. Truck should arrive some time in Jan 2021 so the fleet manager said. Drop me a message if interested.
Shoot us an email! Info@carlisuspension.com
Looking forward to the Tremor measurement confirmation!
CJC Offroad has installed a few and should be releasing their videos shortly...
Tremor update posted: carlisuspension.com/2020-super-duty-rd/
Measuring a stock Tremor against a standard Super duty shows the Tremor to sit approximately 1-7/8″ higher in the front. The rear has quite a bit more lean on the standard Super Duty but, if averaged, about 1″ taller in the rear.
With this in mind, our 3.5″ and 5.5″ systems on the standard Super Duty will actually be a 1.5″ and 3.5″ System on a Tremor.
My 1984 ford econoline van called......
It wants it’s captains chair back!
I laughed little too hard at that
Was wondering this lol thanks guys
After watching this video and reading from the media section on your website regarding the 2020 SD. I compared your measurements to my fully loaded King Ranch F-350 your measurements are 3/4 to 1" lower than mine , so I went to the dealer ship and measured 5 other King Ranches and Platinum's, they all were exactly the same as mine. The front bump stop is at min 1 1/2" some 1 3/4" not 1" with all this being said if I lift the front up 3 1/2" it will be higher than the back, in my opinion Carli should come up with a leveling kit made for the 2020 platform classic blue smoke and mirrors in my opinion, Make a true 2 1/2 " for the 2020 and you will sell more and remain as a top manufacturer, this is a move that some of the sub par manufacturer's would do. The article is titled R&D, there is no D involved here.
Good to know they're seeing more that 1" in most situations. Ours was 1" to the bottom of the bump stop (not metal to metal, until the beginning of contact). Regardless, in terms of usable travel, 1.5" is unacceptable, 1.75" is unacceptable. If we were to do a 2.5" system to the new platform, they'd have a full 1" less suspension travel than the previous generation; this is an 11% reduction is travel all to lose 1" in lift height which WILL be felt. We're going to err on the side of performance, here - the 1/2" front high stance when no rear leaf spring option is added encourages the installation of the progressive add-a-packs which will again, result in better performance.
What's the overall height of an F-250 with the 3.5 kit and 37s?
Dan, thanks for sharing and love the look of this build! Any shots down the side? Just wondering how much "poke" there is on the tires.
Nope, that's the one thing we didn't do was tire "poke". It's minimal, maybe 2" or so!
That’s what I thought. I’m not a fan of extreme poke either. I plan on using the same wheels and tires (along with your 5.5 lift once you get it launched) on a tremor which has the 1/2” fender flare and wanted to make sure it had at least some poke. I don’t know what the opposite of poke is - maybe “recessed” - but I hate that look more than extreme poke.
Beautiful kit! When I trade in the rapturd for a f250 this is what I'm going with!
Don't like the Raptor?
Good job!
Great info on this vid
See if for my self Carlie is best for truck, especially curve swad bar.
Awesome. Can't wait for the Tremor measurements. How well will the Innov8 G500s work with this set up. I believe they're a 17x9 with 5" of backspacing. thanks
The Whyte Rhyno 17x9 with a 5” BS is a 0 offset - should be perfect!
Awesome video. Are you guys going to release air bags for the 2.5 kit?
We're not at this time. The 2.5" system has the same rear travel as the 4.5" meaning you need the super-long bags we use in the 4.5" System. Problem is, you can't install them on the 2.5" Systems or the lower piston sits too deep into the bag. Shorten the bags and you can't droop without tearing the bags.
Carli Suspension thank you for the info.
@@thecarlisuspension any solution to this yet ? I'm trying to figure out a setup for my 2019 f350 towing 17k GVWR fithwheel. Is the only option a shorter bag like Firestone with cradle ?
Are your kit spec's different for the 2021 7.3 gasser? And are there any certified dealers in the Tampa Bay area of FL? Thanks Great Video.
Yes, we offer Diesel and Gas specific systems. You can check the retailers section of our website for the nearest dealer! carlisuspension.com/retailers/
How come u guys dont include a drop track bar and pitman arm with these kits. Wouldn't u wanna keep the those angles as flat as possible to reduce bump steer.
The angle on the linkage has less to do with bump steer than the relative angles of the drag link and track bar. Ensuring they cycle along the same arc (factory arcs are maintained) ensures bump steer/wheel feedback is minimal AND allows for substantially more up-travel. Drop track bar bracket and drop pitman would require longer bump stops shortening travel significantly.
So do u guys see more bump steer with 2.5" leveling kits over the 4.5 lift? Comparing the 2 seems the only difference is the drop radius brackets. Had a 2.5" level lift on my 17 f350 and bump steer was really noticeable over stock. Added a adj track bar, dual steering stabilizers, caster correcting radius arms and also tried castor shims to minimize bump steer. It helped but still drove me nuts. Just recently removed it all besides dual steering stabilizers and bump steer is tolerable again. Looking to purchase another system just trying to figure out which option is best.
Thanks,
Where in the world is the kit for the 2019 Ram 1500s??
Did Ford do anything different on the 2020 F250 model to fix death wobble? Do your products help this?
Give us a call - 888-992-2754
On the 2020 Ford F-350 Diesel 4wd - What size tire looks and rides best 37/12.5 or 37/13.5? Also would you recommend a 17" or 18" wheel?
37" for sure! We like 17" wheels as E-Rated tires are easier to find and MUCH cheaper than those for 18" wheels.
Dan, great video...quick question on the wheel size, that is the look I want for mine. 4.5" back spacing, 8.5" wide...zero offset. What diameter clears the brakes, is the Method a 17" or 18" wheel? Thanks much
Bill Waterhouse this is a 17”. They’ll only clear if you stick to the 0 offset. 👍
@@DanTourino thanks much
Where are you guys located? Is there a Carli dealer in MN?
There's a retailer locator here: carlisuspension.com/retailers/ Unfortunately, we do not have any shops in MN at this time. That said, many purchase our products from our stocking retailer network and take parts to their trusted, local shop to have it installed.
Wouldn't the 2020 be nose high since you have a 1in. shorter block now?
I'm not sure to what you're referring?
@@thecarlisuspension 2020 has shorter blocks in rear yet using same Carli coils up front so should be nose high, regardless CJC trucks look perfect so all well.
Not get off Facebook and get those 7.3 gas kits rolling out the door....
6:11 This right here. I just don't understand why guys are buying superduty trucks and then reducing their payloads back to non superduty. What is the point? Do they ride rough stock? Yep, because you can tow and haul massive amounts of weight. There is no free lunch. You don't get to change the suspension so it's nice and cushy and still tow/haul anywhere near what you could before. Having said that, guys will still tow/haul what they did before and claim all is good. That is because they have no idea that they are exceeding the limits of this new system. The truck isn't going to let you know it is about to exceed itself and give you a really bad day....it seems fine and then it happens. Anyway, I won't be dicking with my system this much.
The point is, you can get a Diesel, 4x4, straight axle truck that rides well! Super duty describes it's hauling ability and build quality - not all who buy them do so only to tow. That said, we offer systems that make them ride well AND options to maintain the payload while increasing the ride! You can have the best of both world in this platform.
@@thecarlisuspension Okay. If a guy had a F350 CCSB and went with one of the 2.5" systems and opted for the "add-a-pack", would he still have the FULL stock tow/payload? For instance, on a 2021 F350 CCSB Platinum (so full loaded with options) the stock payload is around 3,700 lbs. Without adding airbags, because they do not give you more payload, do the add-a-packs offer that amount of payload? From the videos I've watched you seem to dance around this a bit. In one of the CJC Offroad videos they were careful to say that using the add-a-packs would give the truck a "F250" stock payload. I take that to mean the F350 would lose the 800-1000lbs of payload it has over the F250 when going with add-a-packs?
Do you test them somehow to come up with your payload capacities?
@@suburbanhobbyist2752 Going to be doing a video on this, exactly. The short answer, the main spring pack, NOT the overload, is what's responsible for the truck's payload. As only the overload is altered, the payload remains. Where the rear end sits when loaded changes (but so does the front when leveling the truck with a lift) but not the actual capacity. The Full Replacement Leaf Spring packs are what reduce the payload to a "Light 3/4-ton". There's not dancing around the number as there isn't one. Deaver assigns this capacity and won't put a number to it - they're the spring manufacturer so we answer the question the way they do.
Above stated, we will be doing a video to answer these questions when we purchase our new super duty.
@@thecarlisuspension Awesome. I really appreciate the response and look forward to the video. I am totally not opposed to adding air bags to help with sag when loaded up but I want to retain my original stock payload, within reason. I realize you might lose a bit but I wouldn't want to drop 1000 lbs or something. That is why I opted for the 350 and not the 250. I was resigned to going with your front set up (which is amazing by the way) and just adding a 1" larger block in the rear just to make sure I didn't lose too much payload and just deal with the rougher ride. Anyway, I'll look for the video. Thanks!
Is there a Carli dealer and recommended installer in SC? I’m in Charleston, but will drive.
Closest that we have is NCB Diesel in NC, unfortunately.
Carli Suspension Do you guys have any carli dealers in Michigan and or a shop who can install carli kits ? 2021 f250 Superduty diesel.
Would you guys be willing to make a torsion sway bar to fit a 2006 f350? I’m gonna be 4wd swapping it and want to go for your kits right off the bat
Unfortunately not.
I just got a 2020 F350 limited what carli lift should I get ?
Call us or one of our Stocking Retailers and we can see what lift would be best for your application!
We want 7.3 gas kits!
It's in the shop now, be on the lookout! Shipping in 3-4 months.
will the kit work with the new 7.3L or is it tuned just for the diesel?
treiz 7.3L kits are coming! Developing in April, release will likely be July(ish). They will be 3.5” kits only.
How does this compare to the BDS kits for F250?
This is a long conversation that's best had on the phone. 888-992-2754; press 1 for Customer Service!
Hey don't forget about us that have the 6.2 in our F-250's!!
Carli will have Gas specific coils and kits out in the coming months.
you all don't count
Dan have you guys run into a lot of issues with Ford adaptive steering?
The adaptive steering is finicky, for sure. I HATE the lane-keep assist (buzzing wheel) but that can be deactivated. Honestly, if you're running sufficient caster, steering wheel is dead-straight, and you have our steering stabilizers, we've not found the adaptive steering to be problematic. It's when things are incorrectly setup that there's a problem.
Carli Suspension thank you!
WAIT so the 2.5" lift allows a 37x13.5?? Wow.
At the 4:05 mark, it is stated that it is a 5.5" (new sizing - 4.5" old sizing) lift. I'll leave it to Carli to clarify what would fit with a 3.5" (old 2.5") lift.
With a bit of trimming, 37x13.5" will fit on the 2.5/3.5 lift, no problem! Keep to a 0 offset, 9" wide wheel for the least trimming.
Truck is missing your steering stabilizer
This was done before we released our Low-Mount - It does have our high-mount!
12 mpg - an American tradition...
NICE.....
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