The amount of computing power that can be crammed into such a small space and at low power consumption is amazing. I keep thinking we're getting close to the limit of how fast stuff like this can run, but every year it still keeps getting faster.
That’s an obscene amount of power from such a small little unit. I swear that little box performs better than most of AMDs old FX lineup. Amazing to see how far they’ve come since then. Gonna keep my eye out for one of these 👍
You'd have to go all the way down to something like the 6-watt Intel N100 to fall behind even the best FX parts, and only barely at that. FX performance is basically mid-tier smartphone these days.
It's way more than I'd ever want to pay, but I'm happy that this thing exists. Less happy about needing to buy an adapter to fit a 2.5" drive, but then I'm old and stuck in my ways.
Yeah a 2.5 " 8 TB Samsung QVO SSD would be nice here if you need much space for a "lower price then NVMe", but don't fall behind HDD speed. 32 TB SSD still are too expensive, but imagine what you could put into that little beast.
I do like these kind of machines, they are easier to fit in as supposed like a normal desktop PCs, they don't take much of a space, and they are quite powerful for their form factor.
I'd love to some day have a All in One retro console emulation machine that could play everything up to tbe 7th generation. Perhaps a mini pc would work nicely.
Simply use Batocera Linux or RetroBat with those machines. Well, PS3 is kinda hard and also PS2 games like SotC are hard to emulate even on a 2x4 core Xeon beast a pal of mine has, which beats many i7 single CPU PCs. You need high single core IPC for those, multi core introduces latency. But games like RTCW or Red Ninja f.e. run fine with PCSX2 even on a Core2Duo PC. I tested Frogger on RPCS3 (smallest game I could find w/ nearly no graphics sensations for a PS3, lol) on an i7-2600, i5-3570 w/ GT 1030 GDDR5 and it's very sluggish, too much for the CPU or you need to lower resolution. While said 2 PS2 games run perfectly fine with 3x res on a 1080p TV.
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz I think so, but checking out the Frogger game, there is no real graphics, haha. It's nearly a static picture with only some cars moving around, that's all. Frogger RPCS3 720p ran with like 80 % CPU on the i5-3570, but I only used RPCS2 in Win 10 x64, not in Linux with less resources. Tho I think the difference would be 5-10 % more speed in Linux maximum, having less or no Windows background tasks running ofc. On the C2D E8400 it was even 100 % CPU load and unplayable. While Red Ninja in PCSX2 runs at 4x res on the C2D E8400, showing 3d animations all the time, looks a bit like NOLF 2, if I'd compare it graphics-wise. All tests with similar GT 1030 GDDR5 and Anno 1404 HE runs also better on the i5-3570 ofc. So I can say both GT 1030 GDDR5 are identical in speed.
Strange as it may seem, I use these mini PCs headless to do PC gaming on my M1 Mac. I had to get a little HDMI dummy dongle to make that work. I run the Sunshine server on it, and use Moonlight to connect to it. I might have to upgrade to one of these, though, as the performance improvements over the 5800H box I use now seem really impressive.
This is pretty impressive iGPU's came a far way. About the SSD, it seems now days it's pretty hard to find models with DRAM like even the WD back ones come without now days.
I knew i had your same problem from the moment i thought "RDNA3? ooooh AV1 at low power consumption for capturing DOS with the retrotink 4k in the future" But really this little beast could be amazing for capturing and streaming.
For 90% of users having a desktop system feels redundant, and mini-pc makes more sense than a laptop. The vast majority of laptop users have an external monitor and keyboard anyway.
Exactly. These machines have replaced any desktop I own for running FREEBSD. They tend to work perfectly. I almost never use the keyboard on my laptop so you're on point. External monitors are expensive. I need one to make my freebsd system portable.
Price may seem a bit on the hefty side for a Mini, but hey, that processor! It's not that far from the sample Threadripper in Cinebench 20's comparison table. In fact, the performance of the whole system goes through the roof for this kind of machine. There's a discount coupon for the presale until next week too. By the way thanks for making this video during your vacation, Phil!!!
When thinking about the money a simple RX 6400 50 W card for normal PCIe costs (what would be a thinkable one of the last upgrades for a cheap 3rd gen. Dell SFF/DT PCIe x3) for minimum 150 €/$ bucks and up, used GTX 1650 still are obove 200 €, which only is a bit faster than this micro PC, but 50-75 W TDP instead of 15 W TDP! If you live in Europe and play all day this makes a real difference. This is a) a micro PC, b) take a look at the low power needs and c) brand-new stuff. Ofc. it's expensive. An RTX A2000 6/12 GB 70 W TDP (about the speed of an RTX 3050 120 W TDP) would be a real boost for normal SFF PCs, as "small" as you can get there. But this card also costs 300-400 bucks at least. Beware of fake RTX 3050 low profile cards! Dunno about exchangeable MXM GPUs, I didn't have one yet. But 700 bucks for this AIO solution is quite good, tbh. Well, despite the SSD ofc. Intel, Samsung or SanDisk Pro would be better ofc., but raise the price again and NVMe SSD aren't cheap.
I like that the Intel NUC 13 Pro is in the top 3 this year for multi-core Cinebench R23. No buyer's remorse for me 😅😊! The Beelink SER7 is excellent too. Especially for video editing and light gaming.
I think you should be allowed to enjoy your vacation. I'll sacrifice my time, just for you. Next time someone wants to send you a high end computer for a review, just have them send it to me and I'll review it for you. Just to be a nice guy, of course 🙂 Thanks again for the video!
They already soldout Good for beelink Kinda tired with radeon 780M performance Might wait for the more powerful ryzen 8000 coming nxtyear in this setup
Hi ! That was a Gr8 Review....🎯 So, I have just purchased the Beelink SER7 and am getting no headphones audio from either of the two 3.5mm headset ports.....and was hoping to get some advice from you on this... :)
Thing is, it is getting a bit expensive for half a laptop that is less upgradeable than a full size pc. Just bought a 7840hs laptop with rtx4060 for not much more money
I dont know how many voodoo models you have but i would like to see a test showdown of all the important"most common" models from vd1, vd2 pci/agp and sli, rush, vd3 models up to some vd4. It seems noone did this so far. Preferably on one system like Piii 1,4-s :P
@@lucasrem but it's still a micro PC with tiny cooling solution. I'd avoid anything above 60 °C and insert a big fan. Same problems with most laptops. There's a new even very small "AirJet" cooling system, but haven't seen it being used yet.
Hey, just received my SER7. Want to run two screens, one with HDMI and one with USB-C. HDMI works when testing both monitors, but not USB-C. Have tried both USB-C ports in the back, with two different USB-C cables (new). Do you guys know how to fix this? Only seems to be a problem with Windows 11, not on my mac.
Yeah but 15 vs. 115 W TDP for the GPUs are a real difference. Hope that laptop has a good cooling solution! I even fear to play on my old 8400M GT and 8600M, had to reball those multiple times. Well, those are also 15 W GPUs, but cooling solution seemed so bad back then, even with new paste it idles on desktop at 68 °C w/ Fujitsu laptop and 55-60 °C w/ Sony laptop.
@@sebastianebert4295 Acer uses Liquid Metal instrad of thermal paste and it definitely throws out a lot of high heat from it's dual cooling vents under heavy 3D graphics loads! I'm not playing the most demanding game titles on it anyways mostly ones from years ago even WOW on free private servers cause I'm not paying Blizzard anything to play that old game that takes me back!
Great machine and great coverage as usual! One thing, are you using a new capture card? There is a new audible buzzing/whining coming through at different parts of the video. Never heard that in yours before.
I couldn't figure it out at the time. I used Audacity to remove most of it, but not perfect. It was the wireless microphone in the end, the cable plugged into the camera mic port was too short. I fixed it in the next video with a longer AUX cable 😞
Enabling Resizable bar has to do with dma access between pci-e device and cpu. This is an embedded gpu and has special lanes to connect to the cpu / ram. This option in a unit like that is useless.
I would like to know more about reliability and durability on such small units. How hot are the cores running? I have desktop boards (first i7) still running, no glitches. Can it run Crysis for many years 😅? Cheers and enjoy your vacation
Yeah it would be something like Dell 5090 SFF 10th gen. or similar, still pretty expensive ofc. Even the lower end PCIe x3 cards for like Core i gen.3-9 (while Core i gen. 3 is ultra cheap nowadays), used 1650, 1060, new RX 6400, are quite expensive, too. You may better add an RTX A2000 12 GB for 400+ bucks or RTX 3050 for 250+ bucks. It's not gonna be cheaper in any ways. But 3050, 3060 have a bad value over time also, compared to 4060. The AMD 780M 15 W mobile is similar to the AMD RX 6400 50 W desktop card (150+ bucks), which is a bit slower than a GTX 1650 4 GB 75 W desktop (still 150+ bucks). So GTX 1050, 1650 and 1060 6 GB are a bit faster.
Yeah CPU governor in Windows and maybe Process Lasso Pro also can reduce some power by reducing the app/game to one CPU core, but you loose performance ofc. But for Crysis and other 1 core games this also should help giving more performance, when shifting (n-x) apps to other cores. The cheapest trick to lower power needs is to use MSI Afterburner and custom FPS limits for each game. I play most games at like 15-40 W CPU+GPU w/ i5-3570 and GT 1030 GDDR5 atm when limiting games to 60 FPS. My GPU even often stays in 0.7-0.8 V mode this way, tho 12 W is the minimum idle need for the GT 1030 GDR5. I know my GPU is slow, but for old games it's enough. Gonna check Crysis Maximum Edition soon. Low profile cards of AMD RX 6400 4 GB, RTX 3050 (if non-fakes exist?), RTX A2000 6/12 GB and even used GTX 1650 4 GB and GTX 1060 6 GB are still expensive, old cheap SFF PCs have PCIe x3 only and newer used SFF PCs are far from being cheap. But the biggest hurdle is to get some comparable GPU speed for as low as 15 W TDP. That's truly sensational!!! Btw., I dislike youtube 4k with AV1 on old PCs. VP9 ran fine with software decoding, but AV1 gets stuck on i5-3xxxM even. And I don't think that people even would see a difference to AVC / HEVC / VP9. When I had the choice, I'd use AVC even for 4k.
It's pretty impressive how far micro computing went, putting a GT 1030 2 GB GDDR5 (definitely below 60 FPS in SoTTR, Anno 1800, GTA V, RDR2, X-Plane 10 w/ HD Mesh v3) and maybe even a GTX 1650 4 GB to shame. With only 15 W TDP this RDNA3 chip is a beast! Whoa, 16 GB shared memory...even with standard RAM that's much and quiet fast nowadays. Star Citizen would be the ultimate test I think. But does it run Tennis for Two? Btw., you can try Trigonesoft Remote System Monitor, if you have an Android device. It also will show you the FPS and some stats. Or you could try different MSI Afterburner settings. I played a game which needed a different overlay setting due to Framebuffer or similar and it worked! The only downside with micro PCs are the high temps under load. There's f.e. very silent 14 cm (or what would fit here) USB fans with potentiometer, which should help a bit, if there's some holes in the bottom and top. But also a DIY solution would work, as we collected tons of heatsinks, fans, USB cables and all the stuff from old PCs.
Ofc. it can, with newer kernel 6.2, 6.5 or similar for sure. Not with 5.xx. Expect that you may need to add some firmware drivers manually. But 95 % runs OOTB with Linux. AMD also has better open source drivers than Nvidia.
Does anyone else feel like these are just too expensive for what they offer? I can get a laptop with a dedicated graphics card comes with screen keyboard etc for the same price. These don't come with a screen, or peripherals and only have integrated graphics!?
Mini PCs always were expensive over the decades and this is a Micro PC even compared to Dell SFF/DT, which I have atm. Only small 12 " laptops can compete with the size (mostly not having a good GPU), but yeah, a keyboard always is full-size anyways, TFT needs AC and space, too.
I think it would be nice to include comparisons with Mac mini M2, which delivers better experience anyway, and I'd say generally considered the golden standard of mini computers, especially since it frequently hits the $500 mark in the US. At least in the benchmark section.
@@lucasrem No ports, slow booting, no android support, couldn't play my X86 MacOS steam games. No 240hz until M2. Fast forwarding RUclips videos was laggy. Couldn't install other operating systems. I can do more with less frustration on a PC.
Yeah that's impressive. AMD RX 6400 low profile 150+ €/$ 50 W TDP. Used and new Nvidia GTX 1050 (minimum 5 different variants exist!!!), 1650, 1630, 1060 6 GB aren't much cheaper. The AMD 780m is rated 15 W TDP. Expect a virtual price for this iGPU like 300 bucks or similar for the size and tech keeping it that fast at only 15 W, it's 3x as efficient as the also still new AMD RX 6400!!! For now I keep my cheap Dell SFF/DT Core i5-3570 w/ GT 1030 GDDR5 (RX 6400 and other named cards are too expensive for the difference and I don't need it for retro games either).
@@airmicrobe I thought about getting a GT 710 for 4k desktop on 2nd PC, but then I saw a GT 1030 SFF sitting in an i7-2600, 16 GB RAM, cheap SSD, 1 TB HDD Dell 790 for 90 € and couldn't say no...my 1st SFF PC. Well I had a Pentium II SFF I didn't value in the past, should have kept it, it was i440BX, but complicated to change HDD. Now I see I have a GTX 645 in an old dual core I'd use for XP gaming I didn't even know I have. It's from trash somewhere, was used here in an Office PC only for some years, speed is somewhere in between my ATI HD 4550 / HD 2600 Pro / NVS 310 and GT 1030 GDDR5 and ofc. XP ready OOTB.
@@sebastianebert4295 haha 😄 . I didn't throw my old gadgets. Nowadays I found LG audio which is 23 years old. I didn't find it I just left it on shelf. I bought a Bluetooth receiver to revive it through aux cable jack. CDrom, cassette are not working because small parts broken, but speaker and equalizer is on power. Sound quality is 15 watts x 2. Very nice because of Ali express
The amount of computing power that can be crammed into such a small space and at low power consumption is amazing. I keep thinking we're getting close to the limit of how fast stuff like this can run, but every year it still keeps getting faster.
Enjoy your vacation brother, do not feel bad for taking some time off 😊. It's good for everyone to take a break once in a while 💪😉
That’s an obscene amount of power from such a small little unit. I swear that little box performs better than most of AMDs old FX lineup. Amazing to see how far they’ve come since then.
Gonna keep my eye out for one of these 👍
You'd have to go all the way down to something like the 6-watt Intel N100 to fall behind even the best FX parts, and only barely at that. FX performance is basically mid-tier smartphone these days.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353yeah even intel N95 shud give the best AMD FX 8350 a beating in ST performance for both Geekbench/cinebench
Always like a machine with a clear CMOS button. They come in handy more often than you think.
"Do you also feel that there's something wrong with you?" Phil it is too early here for me to already be getting existential.
😂 Ok enjoy a good breakfast and coffee.
It's way more than I'd ever want to pay, but I'm happy that this thing exists. Less happy about needing to buy an adapter to fit a 2.5" drive, but then I'm old and stuck in my ways.
Yeah a 2.5 " 8 TB Samsung QVO SSD would be nice here if you need much space for a "lower price then NVMe", but don't fall behind HDD speed.
32 TB SSD still are too expensive, but imagine what you could put into that little beast.
Ayyy it's a Tuesday Bonus Video!
It is!
THANK YOU --GREAT review-- I was looking at SER 6 max- but I think I'll get one of THESE now... perfect for what I need.
At least they have now a descent USB port layout. The mix with one USB type C and A port on the front is perfect 👌
Please, rest and disconnect your mind from work as much as it needs. We need you healthy! Thanks for your videos.
I do like these kind of machines, they are easier to fit in as supposed like a normal desktop PCs, they don't take much of a space, and they are quite powerful for their form factor.
I'd love to some day have a All in One retro console emulation machine that could play everything up to tbe 7th generation. Perhaps a mini pc would work nicely.
I have that setup with a cheaper SER5 MAX (R7 5800H) and it's amazing. It emulates upto PS3/Switch.
@@KatRollo nice👍 definitely hope to do that same sooner or later
Simply use Batocera Linux or RetroBat with those machines.
Well, PS3 is kinda hard and also PS2 games like SotC are hard to emulate even on a 2x4 core Xeon beast a pal of mine has, which beats many i7 single CPU PCs.
You need high single core IPC for those, multi core introduces latency.
But games like RTCW or Red Ninja f.e. run fine with PCSX2 even on a Core2Duo PC.
I tested Frogger on RPCS3 (smallest game I could find w/ nearly no graphics sensations for a PS3, lol) on an i7-2600, i5-3570 w/ GT 1030 GDDR5 and it's very sluggish, too much for the CPU or you need to lower resolution. While said 2 PS2 games run perfectly fine with 3x res on a 1080p TV.
@@sebastianebert4295 unfortunately I have zero experience with Linux, as for PRCS3 from my understanding it's mote gpu demanding than cpu
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz I think so, but checking out the Frogger game, there is no real graphics, haha. It's nearly a static picture with only some cars moving around, that's all. Frogger RPCS3 720p ran with like 80 % CPU on the i5-3570, but I only used RPCS2 in Win 10 x64, not in Linux with less resources. Tho I think the difference would be 5-10 % more speed in Linux maximum, having less or no Windows background tasks running ofc. On the C2D E8400 it was even 100 % CPU load and unplayable. While Red Ninja in PCSX2 runs at 4x res on the C2D E8400, showing 3d animations all the time, looks a bit like NOLF 2, if I'd compare it graphics-wise. All tests with similar GT 1030 GDDR5 and Anno 1404 HE runs also better on the i5-3570 ofc. So I can say both GT 1030 GDDR5 are identical in speed.
Strange as it may seem, I use these mini PCs headless to do PC gaming on my M1 Mac. I had to get a little HDMI dummy dongle to make that work. I run the Sunshine server on it, and use Moonlight to connect to it. I might have to upgrade to one of these, though, as the performance improvements over the 5800H box I use now seem really impressive.
What a little beast!
That thing is amazing! Also, there is nothing wrong Phil with being geeky, even on holiday 😊
This is pretty impressive iGPU's came a far way.
About the SSD, it seems now days it's pretty hard to find models with DRAM like even the WD back ones come without now days.
I knew i had your same problem from the moment i thought "RDNA3? ooooh AV1 at low power consumption for capturing DOS with the retrotink 4k in the future"
But really this little beast could be amazing for capturing and streaming.
For 90% of users having a desktop system feels redundant, and mini-pc makes more sense than a laptop. The vast majority of laptop users have an external monitor and keyboard anyway.
Exactly. These machines have replaced any desktop I own for running FREEBSD. They tend to work perfectly. I almost never use the keyboard on my laptop so you're on point. External monitors are expensive. I need one to make my freebsd system portable.
Price may seem a bit on the hefty side for a Mini, but hey, that processor! It's not that far from the sample Threadripper in Cinebench 20's comparison table. In fact, the performance of the whole system goes through the roof for this kind of machine. There's a discount coupon for the presale until next week too. By the way thanks for making this video during your vacation, Phil!!!
No worries ☺️😁
When thinking about the money a simple RX 6400 50 W card for normal PCIe costs (what would be a thinkable one of the last upgrades for a cheap 3rd gen. Dell SFF/DT PCIe x3) for minimum 150 €/$ bucks and up, used GTX 1650 still are obove 200 €, which only is a bit faster than this micro PC, but 50-75 W TDP instead of 15 W TDP!
If you live in Europe and play all day this makes a real difference.
This is a) a micro PC, b) take a look at the low power needs and c) brand-new stuff. Ofc. it's expensive.
An RTX A2000 6/12 GB 70 W TDP (about the speed of an RTX 3050 120 W TDP) would be a real boost for normal SFF PCs, as "small" as you can get there.
But this card also costs 300-400 bucks at least. Beware of fake RTX 3050 low profile cards!
Dunno about exchangeable MXM GPUs, I didn't have one yet.
But 700 bucks for this AIO solution is quite good, tbh. Well, despite the SSD ofc. Intel, Samsung or SanDisk Pro would be better ofc., but raise the price again and NVMe SSD aren't cheap.
I like that the Intel NUC 13 Pro is in the top 3 this year for multi-core Cinebench R23. No buyer's remorse for me 😅😊!
The Beelink SER7 is excellent too. Especially for video editing and light gaming.
Awesome computing power and graphics preformce.
I’ve been playing Divinity Original Din 2 on it for two weeks now. No problem!
Idle powerconsumption would be interesting for homeserver use
I think you should be allowed to enjoy your vacation. I'll sacrifice my time, just for you. Next time someone wants to send you a high end computer for a review, just have them send it to me and I'll review it for you. Just to be a nice guy, of course 🙂
Thanks again for the video!
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🤔I think this Mini PC was meant to be for me not PCL 😂
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Hope there will be a barebone version at some point. Maybe they will be ready for black Friday sales at ab even lower price point 😅
Man I wish I could afford such a mini powerhouse, but over 760 Euros, this is way beyond my budget
They already soldout
Good for beelink
Kinda tired with radeon 780M performance
Might wait for the more powerful ryzen 8000 coming nxtyear in this setup
Cant wait to see RDNA 3 in the desktop apus
this chip would be appealing on a motherboard that supports memory overclocking
when they make a monolithic 7700G that takes DDR5 8000, that igpu is going to town
It's a mini PC, you really don't want to screw around with overclocking. They aren't meant for that.
excellent review
Thank you kindly!
Hi ! That was a Gr8 Review....🎯 So, I have just purchased the Beelink SER7 and am getting no headphones audio from either of the two 3.5mm headset ports.....and was hoping to get some advice from you on this... :)
Thing is, it is getting a bit expensive for half a laptop that is less upgradeable than a full size pc. Just bought a 7840hs laptop with rtx4060 for not much more money
What is the ser 7 's 780m igpu maximum TGP??
I dont know how many voodoo models you have but i would like to see a test showdown of all the important"most common" models from vd1, vd2 pci/agp and sli, rush, vd3 models up to some vd4. It seems noone did this so far. Preferably on one system like Piii 1,4-s :P
That's not bad for 1080p gaming, can you fit faster ram inside it? like 6000MHz? or higher?
Hmm good question!
Yes you can, that CPU supports up to DDR5 7500MHz SODIMM modules if you can find them of course!
@@TheMikeMan777 you should be able to clock them that high, it’s on wall power anyway, you never need power savings here.
@@lucasrem but it's still a micro PC with tiny cooling solution. I'd avoid anything above 60 °C and insert a big fan. Same problems with most laptops.
There's a new even very small "AirJet" cooling system, but haven't seen it being used yet.
Do you happen to know if the dual nvme slot support RAID on the BIOS? Thanks
Good question, I don't think so actually...
Hey, just received my SER7. Want to run two screens, one with HDMI and one with USB-C. HDMI works when testing both monitors, but not USB-C. Have tried both USB-C ports in the back, with two different USB-C cables (new). Do you guys know how to fix this? Only seems to be a problem with Windows 11, not on my mac.
No integrated microphone? Like on the GTR7?
My Acer gaming laptop has the same exact CPU in it Phil! It gets the job done along with RTX 4060 dGPU graphics! 👍
Yeah but 15 vs. 115 W TDP for the GPUs are a real difference.
Hope that laptop has a good cooling solution!
I even fear to play on my old 8400M GT and 8600M, had to reball those multiple times. Well, those are also 15 W GPUs, but cooling solution seemed so bad back then, even with new paste it idles on desktop at 68 °C w/ Fujitsu laptop and 55-60 °C w/ Sony laptop.
@@sebastianebert4295 Acer uses Liquid Metal instrad of thermal paste and it definitely throws out a lot of high heat from it's dual cooling vents under heavy 3D graphics loads! I'm not playing the most demanding game titles on it anyways mostly ones from years ago even WOW on free private servers cause I'm not paying Blizzard anything to play that old game that takes me back!
Unfortunately there's some background static, you may need to fix your mic.
Yeah I noticed that too. It would have to be really bad for me to not enjoy a PCL vid, but it is there.
Yea
Figured it out eventually fixed in next video.
Great machine and great coverage as usual! One thing, are you using a new capture card? There is a new audible buzzing/whining coming through at different parts of the video. Never heard that in yours before.
I couldn't figure it out at the time. I used Audacity to remove most of it, but not perfect. It was the wireless microphone in the end, the cable plugged into the camera mic port was too short. I fixed it in the next video with a longer AUX cable 😞
@@philscomputerlab Ah cool, glad you figured it out! Cheers!
Urgent!!!! Does it stops at EU Costums, or there's stock in Europe?? PSE need to know ASAP
Enabling Resizable bar has to do with dma access between pci-e device and cpu. This is an embedded gpu and has special lanes to connect to the cpu / ram. This option in a unit like that is useless.
I would like to know more about reliability and durability on such small units. How hot are the cores running? I have desktop boards (first i7) still running, no glitches. Can it run Crysis for many years 😅? Cheers and enjoy your vacation
Single core in the 60s multi core in the 80w in terms of temperature!
Can the USB4 port be used for an external GPU?
Is the power supply auto voltage?
I would like to see comparable full size pc alternatives in the benchmark, gives us an idea of how the performance compares to something we all know
Cinebench is pretty standard for the CPU tests as is 3dMark for the GPU side.
Yeah it would be something like Dell 5090 SFF 10th gen. or similar, still pretty expensive ofc.
Even the lower end PCIe x3 cards for like Core i gen.3-9 (while Core i gen. 3 is ultra cheap nowadays), used 1650, 1060, new RX 6400, are quite expensive, too.
You may better add an RTX A2000 12 GB for 400+ bucks or RTX 3050 for 250+ bucks. It's not gonna be cheaper in any ways.
But 3050, 3060 have a bad value over time also, compared to 4060.
The AMD 780M 15 W mobile is similar to the AMD RX 6400 50 W desktop card (150+ bucks), which is a bit slower than a GTX 1650 4 GB 75 W desktop (still 150+ bucks).
So GTX 1050, 1650 and 1060 6 GB are a bit faster.
Nice ! What is the name of the games?
Best regards,
I ordered this mini PC a couple days ago for $619.00 (US)
Is it also possible to lower the power limit to 35W (in line with 7840HS specs)?
Curious to its level of performance at min power settings
Nope there are only the two states mentioned. BUT you can set Windows power profile lower.
Yeah CPU governor in Windows and maybe Process Lasso Pro also can reduce some power by reducing the app/game to one CPU core, but you loose performance ofc. But for Crysis and other 1 core games this also should help giving more performance, when shifting (n-x) apps to other cores.
The cheapest trick to lower power needs is to use MSI Afterburner and custom FPS limits for each game.
I play most games at like 15-40 W CPU+GPU w/ i5-3570 and GT 1030 GDDR5 atm when limiting games to 60 FPS. My GPU even often stays in 0.7-0.8 V mode this way, tho 12 W is the minimum idle need for the GT 1030 GDR5. I know my GPU is slow, but for old games it's enough. Gonna check Crysis Maximum Edition soon.
Low profile cards of AMD RX 6400 4 GB, RTX 3050 (if non-fakes exist?), RTX A2000 6/12 GB and even used GTX 1650 4 GB and GTX 1060 6 GB are still expensive, old cheap SFF PCs have PCIe x3 only and newer used SFF PCs are far from being cheap.
But the biggest hurdle is to get some comparable GPU speed for as low as 15 W TDP. That's truly sensational!!!
Btw., I dislike youtube 4k with AV1 on old PCs. VP9 ran fine with software decoding, but AV1 gets stuck on i5-3xxxM even.
And I don't think that people even would see a difference to AVC / HEVC / VP9.
When I had the choice, I'd use AVC even for 4k.
I wonder if it actually supports 48gb dimms.
Is the 2nd slot only M.2 SATA (500MB/s) or full NVME?
NVME!
oh that's one cute thing!
I do often feel like something is wrong with me, especially when it comes to old electronics
Men just care about things as hunters and collectors. It's all natural evolution.
So you may not have a flock of sheep, but electronic parts.
FRAPS should still work for Crysis.
Can you ASK the company to MAKE finding the PRICE EASIER??
You came here for this 8:37 😅
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But can it run Crysis...YES...
It's pretty impressive how far micro computing went, putting a GT 1030 2 GB GDDR5 (definitely below 60 FPS in SoTTR, Anno 1800, GTA V, RDR2, X-Plane 10 w/ HD Mesh v3) and maybe even a GTX 1650 4 GB to shame. With only 15 W TDP this RDNA3 chip is a beast!
Whoa, 16 GB shared memory...even with standard RAM that's much and quiet fast nowadays.
Star Citizen would be the ultimate test I think.
But does it run Tennis for Two?
Btw., you can try Trigonesoft Remote System Monitor, if you have an Android device.
It also will show you the FPS and some stats.
Or you could try different MSI Afterburner settings. I played a game which needed a different overlay setting due to Framebuffer or similar and it worked!
The only downside with micro PCs are the high temps under load. There's f.e. very silent 14 cm (or what would fit here) USB fans with potentiometer, which should help a bit, if there's some holes in the bottom and top. But also a DIY solution would work, as we collected tons of heatsinks, fans, USB cables and all the stuff from old PCs.
Nice! wat is about Linux, can it run Linux?🤔
I'm not sure ...
Ofc. it can, with newer kernel 6.2, 6.5 or similar for sure. Not with 5.xx.
Expect that you may need to add some firmware drivers manually. But 95 % runs OOTB with Linux. AMD also has better open source drivers than Nvidia.
Are you saying this company gave you.... a buzz to ask for a review?
He should be careful, sounds a lot like a honey trap or a sting operation
Wow its impressive, but very eggspensive
Does anyone else feel like these are just too expensive for what they offer? I can get a laptop with a dedicated graphics card comes with screen keyboard etc for the same price. These don't come with a screen, or peripherals and only have integrated graphics!?
Good point, but I'm not up to speed with current laptop pricing..I guess a laptop is still quite large when used as a desktop...
Mini PCs always were expensive over the decades and this is a Micro PC even compared to Dell SFF/DT, which I have atm.
Only small 12 " laptops can compete with the size (mostly not having a good GPU), but yeah, a keyboard always is full-size anyways, TFT needs AC and space, too.
I think it would be nice to include comparisons with Mac mini M2, which delivers better experience anyway, and I'd say generally considered the golden standard of mini computers, especially since it frequently hits the $500 mark in the US. At least in the benchmark section.
Not interested in anything from Apple 😂
@@philscomputerlabWord up! I had an M1 Mac mini and sold that turd immediately.
M.2 is the best, but he needs games etc, windows machines only.
@@foch3 why you bought it, final cut ? Too lite and cheap ?
@@lucasrem No ports, slow booting, no android support, couldn't play my X86 MacOS steam games. No 240hz until M2. Fast forwarding RUclips videos was laggy. Couldn't install other operating systems.
I can do more with less frustration on a PC.
780m is similar to rx 6400 not😅 6700.
It's RDNA 3 not RDNA 2.
Yeah that's impressive. AMD RX 6400 low profile 150+ €/$ 50 W TDP.
Used and new Nvidia GTX 1050 (minimum 5 different variants exist!!!), 1650, 1630, 1060 6 GB aren't much cheaper.
The AMD 780m is rated 15 W TDP. Expect a virtual price for this iGPU like 300 bucks or similar for the size and tech keeping it that fast at only 15 W, it's 3x as efficient as the also still new AMD RX 6400!!!
For now I keep my cheap Dell SFF/DT Core i5-3570 w/ GT 1030 GDDR5 (RX 6400 and other named cards are too expensive for the difference and I don't need it for retro games either).
@@sebastianebert4295 gt 630 oem 2gb Kepler is a thing. I still use it in one of my system for OBS and windows video editor
@@airmicrobe I thought about getting a GT 710 for 4k desktop on 2nd PC, but then I saw a GT 1030 SFF sitting in an i7-2600, 16 GB RAM, cheap SSD, 1 TB HDD Dell 790 for 90 € and couldn't say no...my 1st SFF PC. Well I had a Pentium II SFF I didn't value in the past, should have kept it, it was i440BX, but complicated to change HDD.
Now I see I have a GTX 645 in an old dual core I'd use for XP gaming I didn't even know I have. It's from trash somewhere, was used here in an Office PC only for some years, speed is somewhere in between my ATI HD 4550 / HD 2600 Pro / NVS 310 and GT 1030 GDDR5 and ofc. XP ready OOTB.
@@sebastianebert4295 haha 😄 . I didn't throw my old gadgets. Nowadays I found LG audio which is 23 years old. I didn't find it I just left it on shelf. I bought a Bluetooth receiver to revive it through aux cable jack. CDrom, cassette are not working because small parts broken, but speaker and equalizer is on power. Sound quality is 15 watts x 2. Very nice because of Ali express
DOOD!
there is so much static
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