without the red flag, he would have had to pit under the safety car and would have come in 7th or 8th. he ain't winning from there considering he could not pass the faster cars earlier in the race. he was 19 secs clear because he was running in clear air and no spray and had 2 alpines as a buffer.
@@ddha0000 If there was no safety car in Miami Max would have won, If Max hadn't dnfed in Aus he would have won, If there was no red flag in quali he could have got the pole. What's your point in making a conditional statement???? Accept the reality and move on.
About the red flag tire change. For one it's a safety issue. Two; If u haven't pit before the red flag and need to pit right after u are absolutely screwed, since the whole field is condenced again. Three; it's basic F1 stategy, with that much rain u know a red flag is bound to happen, that is why Norris his team wanted him to stay out but Norris pressed them for a pitstop, on the spectrum, Russel wanted to stay out but the team pressed him to come in. It's part of the game, always has been, to nag about it now is stupid.
Totaly Agree...........it's Prior Savety issue beqause of debri on track,......Xsample,Max in Baku on the strait,whit 3 laps to go i guess....bang tire blow up.....
Exactly this! Safety cars and red flags are part of F1. Like Verstappen said after Miami, sometimes it goes your way and sometimes it doesn't. Lando shouldn't cry so much. Lando literally benefited from a read flag earlier that day in qualifying.
@@ddha0000 Max had better tires, Lewis was a second faster. Admit Lewis was surprised by the early overtake by Max. He knwver expected him there. So it was a deserved win for Max!
Dude in the blue top has some serious hate for Max. Was that rain in Brazil’s race or was it his tears all over the track Those most skilled and able to stay on track in those conditions deserve to benefit from the red flag
Dude in blue top here. No hate for Max, in fact I was praising him during the episode. My issue is with the rules around Red Flags and changing equipment. Thanks for watching!
@@walkerjordan536 The Red Flag rule is the same for all drivers so it sounds like you only complain when it doesn’t favour your driver. Why didn’t you complain about the Red Flag that favoured Lewis during the 2021 Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix?
@@AZBCDE why are you Max fans so whiney anytime someone has an opinion that is not praising your driver. you really are part of a cult. Max drove well. would he have won with the red flag......most likely not so it effectively handed him the victory. simple as that.
@@ddha0000 Most likely yes, Max would of still won it so stop being so sore and bitter about the Red Flag. Why are you such a Max hater? You lost COPE. Is that you Lando or is is that you Damon?
For me, while i appreciate that there are subtitles for accessibility reasons, the way they are constantly highlighted was very distracting. I would alos prefer if they could be intergrated with the CC toggle, making them optional.
There was no manipulation from anyone in the Brazilian GP. Why? Conspiracy theories aside, did you see how max drove in the final race?!! Not even one oversteer, not even one off the line or over the kerb drama. Max was driving like he was possessed. There wasn't anything FIA or anyone would have planned to go this smoothly. It was just max's superior talent that underlined the weekend. That's it. Congratulations to max 🎉 Let's see how 2025 goes
At the very beginning when he said “you want to elaborate?”, I had immediate flashbacks to college when, no! Professor, I don’t want to elaborate because I’m not fully prepared today and am trying like hell to bullshit my way out of this embarrassment
Who's the guy in the top right? WTF are you talking about a Red Flag? Lando was screaming to come in before the Red Flag. Max simply anticipated it. That's brains. Want to know about a Red Flag? Never, really never, have the stewards decided when a car crashes to let others finish their lap. It might be a good idea, but it just never happened. This was the firsts time. And who got F-ed?
@@walkerjordan536 i mean.. in the last 30 years.. they implemented lot of rules for SAFETY, it might hard to understand that not everything is about racing...
The allowance to change tires under reg flag is a rule changed 10 years or so ago because if you drove over damage and had issue with tires you were allowed a new set of tires where everyone else didn't LoL. So they allow everyone to change tires and do repairs. Fair for everyone now Max was winning that race regardless
The alternative is far worse. Just look at the WEC in Spa this year, the Porsche in 15th ish got a 1 minute lead because they just happened to be 1 lap out of synch, and pitted just as a caddy smashed to peices, meaning all but two cars basically got a drive thru penalty
@walkerjordan536 Yeah, some teams were very clever in purposely finding loopholes and having tire changes. The rule is there for safety reasons, and it is what it is. Lando should of kept his mouth shut, he knows this.
English subtitles for an English spoken podcast witch every spoken word highlighted is way over the top. We are not stupid you know. It is very distracting and I prefer to listen to it without video.
norris benefited from yellow flag over lecrerc.. the only reason its nor shown because norris binned it.. sso whats the difference between this and pitting on red compared to yellow flag.. especially on a really wet race where red flag can comes anytime
If you don't allow tires to be changed then someone who made a pitstop just before the red flag is the one getting a free pitstop. Is it better to win a few positions or to win over 20 seconds? The reason why you have to allow tire changes is that someone could go into the red flag with a puncture. Are you not going to allow to change tires on that car? And if you allow that then surely you must allow everyone to change tires. Changing tires during red flag is the ONLY viable option. What I find absolutely hilarious is that this rule has been in place forever. It seems to be a recurring theme that whenever Verstappen benefits from a rule we suddenly need to change the rule.
I think it's fair you may change the tires under the red flag. Your tires may have been damaged by the debri on track. What I don't understand is they are going back into the positions from the lap before. In Imola 2021 Lewis slipped off the track and even crashed his front wing, because he couldn't make a 180. I think he was in 9th position, but everyone passed him, so he was last and needed a red flag. Well Bottas and Russell honored that and made a big crash in the next lap. Still Lewis got his ninth position back.
Did you hear that McLaren and Lando Norris are trying to get it stopped that on a red flag you’re not allowed to change your tires only for the same wheels you’ve already got on so you gotta come in for another pitstop to change for a different tire
Won't be the first time nor the last time FIA changes rules where Max benefitted from. The funny is you will see when they do that , then when a red flag happens... Lando will be in front.
You can't change that redflag rule = free tire change because the reason of it existed is because once it is a red flag that means the track might have some debris left which is dangerous for the worn out tires. Everyone can do that strat and risk of it waiting for a red flag is the people that didn't pit might be the one causing that red flag.
Silverstone 2021. Max was bumped off the track by Lewis. Red flag. That allowed Mercedes to repair Lewis' car. Merc announced that without that repair Lewis would certainly not have made it to the end of the race. Together with Hungary this would almost have been decisive for the championship. Tires must be able to be changed, because you can't send a driver back onto the track with worn tires. But repairs??? Repairs that were necessary because he had caused the crash!
Everyone is so focused on the red flag. Lando got F-ed by the bias from the FIA against Max. Look at the VSC. the commentators calling a VSC 30 seconds before VSC. but they waited for max to pass the pitlane entry. This allowed McLaren to pit Lando under a VSC. If they called it earlier max would have come in under the VSC. But what ever happened max would still have won the race.
5:24 If I remember correctly technically Vegas last year had same day quali and race. Before that Cota 2015, Melbourne 2013 and twice in Japan in 2010 and 2004.
18:16 FIA had no other option but to red flag the race when Colapinto smashed his car, was sideways on the track and leaking oil onto the track. What, you think cars should just drive by the wreckage under the safety car with almost no visibility while marshals try to clear it? Are you insane? The thing that is really suspicious is that they didn't red flag it sooner when the majority of drivers were calling for a red flag. The FIA failure to red flag the race on a track that was clearly undriveable led to Colapinto crashing out.
I believed that it rained just as much in Brittain as in the Netherlands. I am watching formule 1 a couple of years now, and still do not understand all the rules. However even I was surprised to see Lando box. Every dutchman can read the clouds and how much rain there probably will fall. I thought about Zandvoort race last year where the rain kept on falling. Red flags all the time. Max learns from those events. Do not forget that the drivers had to drive twice that day. That is not easy. Max performed wonderful! Lando and his team made mistakes. Lando went from p1 to p6. He reacted as an adolescent after his race. He had to deal with a great loss. Instead of hating Max you should console Lando. Max did what he is paid for. He is doing his job. He can see the difference between doing his job and private. He still can be friends with Lando. Lando knows he lost big that day. He has time to process. Max did not have that time in Brazil. That alone makes his performance wonderful.
Yes, Max had in this race benefited because of the red flag, but don’t forget that he had a disadvantage because of the same red flag in the qualifying one day earlier that made him start at the back. He had to do a lot of work to get in front because of the disadvantage of the red flag. So, I think it’s even steven at race day. Like Max said, you win some and you lose some because of these rules…like Max lost in Miami because of the safety car…Lando benefited at that race…so, in the end everyone benefits or loses sometimes because of the rules. At the end of the day: Max gets the win because he is the best 🤷♀️ Good to see that you guys can agree to disagree 👏👏👏
Lando basically stopped at full race pace, the timing of the VSC ending was unlucky. That said, there needs to be an alternative to what’s currently offered.
You don’t understand? The red flag is primarily used for safety reasons. It allows personnel to get stranded cars away, to clean the track from debris and to repair track damage. Now in answer to the part you don’t understand namely, tires changes. To allow tires to be changed is purely for…..?….Safety reasons. It is not obligatory, it is not a rule but it is advised. Very worn or air leaking tires can cause accidents. After a shunt or a car-to-car accident there might have been debris on the track that damaged the tires the cars are on at restart. To minimize risk drivers are allowed to have their tires/wheels changed. Now after this extended and overly explanation you might understand the part you missed out on. Oh … `and the fact that you are unwilling ‘to buy into” the praise for Max… well dear Dude NOBODY CARES if you are not buying into anything. It makes you look a bit like the plant sitting next to you, silly.
Well, it seems rather logical to me. One must experience something before conducting analyses. With all due respect, I do appreciate the effort you put into creating content. It is not all that bad! 😊
@@JeroenSelderslaghs haha. Honestly, we’re shooting for “Not all that bad” on a good day. We’re just F1 fans who have a podcast and are having fun with it. Appreciate the listen!
What nonsense with your red flag what you say then it is no longer allowed with a safety car, because advantage is advantage. after all they choose themselves to go in earlier. You get tired of that whining
What's in it for you? We all know that controversial discussions give you higher exposure on RUclips. You only have 162 subscribers now, it won't help you to spread this biased info.🥱 I am sorry for Russel, he would have aimed to take the same strategy as Alpine and Max.
So Max won 17 places and finished 19 sec. in front of everybody because of the red flag!?
Get real blue shirt simple mind!
I never said that! I just said I don’t like the rule, or understand it.
Not once did I say it was the reason for him winning, his pace was unmatched.
without the red flag, he would have had to pit under the safety car and would have come in 7th or 8th. he ain't winning from there considering he could not pass the faster cars earlier in the race. he was 19 secs clear because he was running in clear air and no spray and had 2 alpines as a buffer.
@@ddha0000 So what? You know most drivers make errors when under pressure. Max' pace and skill was enough to get them all.
@@ddha0000 without that red flag in q2 Max would have lapped them all
@@ddha0000 If there was no safety car in Miami Max would have won, If Max hadn't dnfed in Aus he would have won, If there was no red flag in quali he could have got the pole.
What's your point in making a conditional statement???? Accept the reality and move on.
About the red flag tire change. For one it's a safety issue. Two; If u haven't pit before the red flag and need to pit right after u are absolutely screwed, since the whole field is condenced again. Three; it's basic F1 stategy, with that much rain u know a red flag is bound to happen, that is why Norris his team wanted him to stay out but Norris pressed them for a pitstop, on the spectrum, Russel wanted to stay out but the team pressed him to come in. It's part of the game, always has been, to nag about it now is stupid.
Totaly Agree...........it's Prior Savety issue beqause of debri on track,......Xsample,Max in Baku on the strait,whit 3 laps to go i guess....bang tire blow up.....
hundred percent that it is stupid to talk about that red flag tire change and asking why it exists.
Exactly this! Safety cars and red flags are part of F1. Like Verstappen said after Miami, sometimes it goes your way and sometimes it doesn't. Lando shouldn't cry so much. Lando literally benefited from a read flag earlier that day in qualifying.
You guys miss that Verstappen, Ocon preempted Red Flag. They took the risk of driving in sudden 4 minute shower to keep car on track.
yeah, they took the risk, ofcourse... it was a wet race. chance on a safetycar, 99,999 %, i think they are lando fans
you said, everybody spint, hit the wall but max never did, come on guys Max is the best driver, just acknowledge the fact that he is the best
about 2021 ,
Abu Dabi .
a lot of people forget, max was 2nd at the restart, he passed lewis, winning fair and square
er.........surely you can't be this clueless.
@@ddha0000 Max had better tires, Lewis was a second faster. Admit Lewis was surprised by the early overtake by Max. He knwver expected him there. So it was a deserved win for Max!
The rain is wet. Nothing new to learn here. Thanks for participating.
Dude in the blue top has some serious hate for Max. Was that rain in Brazil’s race or was it his tears all over the track Those most skilled and able to stay on track in those conditions deserve to benefit from the red flag
Dude in blue top here. No hate for Max, in fact I was praising him during the episode. My issue is with the rules around Red Flags and changing equipment.
Thanks for watching!
@@walkerjordan536 The Red Flag rule is the same for all drivers so it sounds like you only complain when it doesn’t favour your driver. Why didn’t you complain about the Red Flag that favoured Lewis during the 2021 Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix?
@@AZBCDE didn’t even remember that tbh. The rule is stupid, regardless of who it benefits. I’m not as biased as you think. 😂
@@AZBCDE why are you Max fans so whiney anytime someone has an opinion that is not praising your driver. you really are part of a cult. Max drove well. would he have won with the red flag......most likely not so it effectively handed him the victory. simple as that.
@@ddha0000 Most likely yes, Max would of still won it so stop being so sore and bitter about the Red Flag. Why are you such a Max hater? You lost COPE. Is that you Lando or is is that you Damon?
Rooting for Lando is supporting incompetence.
and utterly delusional pathetic
For me, while i appreciate that there are subtitles for accessibility reasons, the way they are constantly highlighted was very distracting. I would alos prefer if they could be intergrated with the CC toggle, making them optional.
eggzakery... i had to stop watching!!!
I think the subtitles are ok without the highlighting and bouncing of the the text. This is not meant to complain but just a tip as a viewer.
There was no manipulation from anyone in the Brazilian GP. Why? Conspiracy theories aside, did you see how max drove in the final race?!! Not even one oversteer, not even one off the line or over the kerb drama. Max was driving like he was possessed. There wasn't anything FIA or anyone would have planned to go this smoothly. It was just max's superior talent that underlined the weekend. That's it. Congratulations to max 🎉 Let's see how 2025 goes
At the very beginning when he said “you want to elaborate?”, I had immediate flashbacks to college when, no! Professor, I don’t want to elaborate because I’m not fully prepared today and am trying like hell to bullshit my way out of this embarrassment
Who's the guy in the top right? WTF are you talking about a Red Flag? Lando was screaming to come in before the Red Flag. Max simply anticipated it. That's brains. Want to know about a Red Flag? Never, really never, have the stewards decided when a car crashes to let others finish their lap. It might be a good idea, but it just never happened. This was the firsts time. And who got F-ed?
What Lando wanted to do before hand is that irrelevant. I just don’t understand the spirit of the rule in terms of competition.
@@walkerjordan536 i mean.. in the last 30 years.. they implemented lot of rules for SAFETY, it might hard to understand that not everything is about racing...
What about whhen Lewis benefited from red flags. Did you talk down hiss wins then? @@walkerjordan536
Tell that to Alonzo and Breatorri
Max didn't spin or hit anything lol
One of the few!
The allowance to change tires under reg flag is a rule changed 10 years or so ago because if you drove over damage and had issue with tires you were allowed a new set of tires where everyone else didn't LoL. So they allow everyone to change tires and do repairs. Fair for everyone now
Max was winning that race regardless
The alternative is far worse. Just look at the WEC in Spa this year, the Porsche in 15th ish got a 1 minute lead because they just happened to be 1 lap out of synch, and pitted just as a caddy smashed to peices, meaning all but two cars basically got a drive thru penalty
Didn’t realize that was the reason for the change. Appreciate that! Still don’t like it. lol.
@walkerjordan536 Yeah, some teams were very clever in purposely finding loopholes and having tire changes. The rule is there for safety reasons, and it is what it is. Lando should of kept his mouth shut, he knows this.
with these subtitles you never get to be taken seriously
English subtitles for an English spoken podcast witch every spoken word highlighted is way over the top. We are not stupid you know. It is very distracting and I prefer to listen to it without video.
There are also People Who are not English
@klmKL890
I am one of them.
Indeed, even if you are not a native speaker, the highlighting is annoying. Just standard subtitles is enough. Integrating it in CC is even better.
@@klmKL890 RUclips serves translations.
norris benefited from yellow flag over lecrerc.. the only reason its nor shown because norris binned it.. sso whats the difference between this and pitting on red compared to yellow flag.. especially on a really wet race where red flag can comes anytime
First time checking out the show. Big mistake. See- yah!! I am out.
First time checking out the show. Big mistake. See- yah!! I am out.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
If you don't allow tires to be changed then someone who made a pitstop just before the red flag is the one getting a free pitstop. Is it better to win a few positions or to win over 20 seconds?
The reason why you have to allow tire changes is that someone could go into the red flag with a puncture. Are you not going to allow to change tires on that car? And if you allow that then surely you must allow everyone to change tires. Changing tires during red flag is the ONLY viable option.
What I find absolutely hilarious is that this rule has been in place forever. It seems to be a recurring theme that whenever Verstappen benefits from a rule we suddenly need to change the rule.
I think it's fair you may change the tires under the red flag. Your tires may have been damaged by the debri on track.
What I don't understand is they are going back into the positions from the lap before.
In Imola 2021 Lewis slipped off the track and even crashed his front wing, because he couldn't make a 180. I think he was in 9th position, but everyone passed him, so he was last and needed a red flag. Well Bottas and Russell honored that and made a big crash in the next lap.
Still Lewis got his ninth position back.
Did you hear that McLaren and Lando Norris are trying to get it stopped that on a red flag you’re not allowed to change your tires only for the same wheels you’ve already got on so you gotta come in for another pitstop to change for a different tire
Won't be the first time nor the last time FIA changes rules where Max benefitted from. The funny is you will see when they do that , then when a red flag happens... Lando will be in front.
You can't change that redflag rule = free tire change because the reason of it existed is because once it is a red flag that means the track might have some debris left which is dangerous for the worn out tires. Everyone can do that strat and risk of it waiting for a red flag is the people that didn't pit might be the one causing that red flag.
Silverstone 2021. Max was bumped off the track by Lewis. Red flag. That allowed Mercedes to repair Lewis' car. Merc announced that without that repair Lewis would certainly not have made it to the end of the race. Together with Hungary this would almost have been decisive for the championship. Tires must be able to be changed, because you can't send a driver back onto the track with worn tires. But repairs??? Repairs that were necessary because he had caused the crash!
Its fair because the field gets bunched up. Having to restart on old tires while having a 10 - 20 second before is just as unfair.
Everyone is so focused on the red flag. Lando got F-ed by the bias from the FIA against Max.
Look at the VSC. the commentators calling a VSC 30 seconds before VSC. but they waited for max to pass the pitlane entry. This allowed McLaren to pit Lando under a VSC. If they called it earlier max would have come in under the VSC. But what ever happened max would still have won the race.
5:24 If I remember correctly technically Vegas last year had same day quali and race. Before that Cota 2015, Melbourne 2013 and twice in Japan in 2010 and 2004.
18:16
FIA had no other option but to red flag the race when Colapinto smashed his car, was sideways on the track and leaking oil onto the track. What, you think cars should just drive by the wreckage under the safety car with almost no visibility while marshals try to clear it? Are you insane?
The thing that is really suspicious is that they didn't red flag it sooner when the majority of drivers were calling for a red flag. The FIA failure to red flag the race on a track that was clearly undriveable led to Colapinto crashing out.
I believed that it rained just as much in Brittain as in the Netherlands. I am watching formule 1 a couple of years now, and still do not understand all the rules. However even I was surprised to see Lando box. Every dutchman can read the clouds and how much rain there probably will fall. I thought about Zandvoort race last year where the rain kept on falling. Red flags all the time. Max learns from those events.
Do not forget that the drivers had to drive twice that day. That is not easy.
Max performed wonderful! Lando and his team made mistakes. Lando went from p1 to p6. He reacted as an adolescent after his race. He had to deal with a great loss. Instead of hating Max you should console Lando. Max did what he is paid for. He is doing his job. He can see the difference between doing his job and private. He still can be friends with Lando. Lando knows he lost big that day. He has time to process. Max did not have that time in Brazil. That alone makes his performance wonderful.
Max was dominant. No question!
2:14 EXCEPT MAX 2:20 AGAIN; EXCEPT MAX VERSTAPPEN ... why is he not corrected?
It’s hyperbole my friend. We all know EXCEPT MAX
@@walkerjordan536 hyperbole denialism, it seems
@ dyperbole?
Yes, Max had in this race benefited because of the red flag, but don’t forget that he had a disadvantage because of the same red flag in the qualifying one day earlier that made him start at the back. He had to do a lot of work to get in front because of the disadvantage of the red flag. So, I think it’s even steven at race day. Like Max said, you win some and you lose some because of these rules…like Max lost in Miami because of the safety car…Lando benefited at that race…so, in the end everyone benefits or loses sometimes because of the rules.
At the end of the day: Max gets the win because he is the best 🤷♀️
Good to see that you guys can agree to disagree 👏👏👏
Max could stay out because he managed the tires better.
2021 Mercedes should’ve let Lewis pit. It comes down to better strategy.
if they change the rule not to allow change tires, it would be lucky for Lando -- the problem just flip flops.
Unless he is the guy in front..Then he will be suffering from a rule change he asked for! Life is not without irony it seems.
Lando basically stopped at full race pace, the timing of the VSC ending was unlucky.
That said, there needs to be an alternative to what’s currently offered.
You don’t understand? The red flag is primarily used for safety reasons. It allows personnel to get stranded cars away, to clean the track from debris and to repair track damage. Now in answer to the part you don’t understand namely, tires changes. To allow tires to be changed is purely for…..?….Safety reasons. It is not obligatory, it is not a rule but it is advised. Very worn or air leaking tires can cause accidents. After a shunt or a car-to-car accident there might have been debris on the track that damaged the tires the cars are on at restart. To minimize risk drivers are allowed to have their tires/wheels changed. Now after this extended and overly explanation you might understand the part you missed out on. Oh … `and the fact that you are unwilling ‘to buy into” the praise for Max… well dear Dude NOBODY CARES if you are not buying into anything. It makes you look a bit like the plant sitting next to you, silly.
Zijn ze dronken of zo .geen verstand
Subtitles terrible sorry
Those podcasters lack a serious amount of common sense, or intelligence. With all due respect.
Yet you’re here listing to us, with all due respect.
Well, it seems rather logical to me. One must experience something before conducting analyses. With all due respect, I do appreciate the effort you put into creating content. It is not all that bad! 😊
@@JeroenSelderslaghs haha. Honestly, we’re shooting for “Not all that bad” on a good day.
We’re just F1 fans who have a podcast and are having fun with it. Appreciate the listen!
@walkerjordan536 Sure, as I do appreciate your responding in a very sporting manner. It suits the channel 😉
What nonsense with your red flag what you say then it is no longer allowed with a safety car, because advantage is advantage. after all they choose themselves to go in earlier. You get tired of that whining
don't like the blue shirt, bias
If I hear “ it is what it is” one more time…I’m gonna scream.
Amateur hour podcasters. Im out
these guys are so dumb! valuable minutes of my life I will never get back.
Drew needs some words Shaking head are not words. Good luck Canada.
No F1 knowledge at all. 😂 Waste of time to loik this.
can you say ... holy shit??? ...
going in fot tyres is chicken staying out is brave
What's in it for you? We all know that controversial discussions give you higher exposure on RUclips. You only have 162 subscribers now, it won't help you to spread this biased info.🥱 I am sorry for Russel, he would have aimed to take the same strategy as Alpine and Max.