Honestly meeting you was a highlight of my trip. And realizing you are even taller than me, and can handle every hot sauce in the Hot Ones lineup with barely a flinch! One tiny drop of Apollo almost burnt my tongue. 😅 (Also, I'm Jeff ;)
@JeffGeerling please don't drink coca cola and other shity drinks. You have poor gut health and we need you alive and well so please try to refrain yourself from junk food and only eat healthy food. I understand that you were in a group and you didn't want to have special requirements, but.. that's no excuse for your health
Hey Tim! It’s Mitch from 45Drives. It was awesome getting to hang out with you guys. This video was such a fantastic recap of everything and put a huge smile on my face. Can’t wait til next year already :)
@Zer0tech Thanks for hosting the summit. This was the one of the best video I've seen in months. Looking forward to the HL15 filling a product gap in the homelab market. I am excited for this and am holding off all other upgrades for it.
@@kgottsman it was our pleasure ! Thanks for watching!! Homelab is officially up for presale. Google 45homelab unfortunately I can’t post links in the comment section but you will be able to get a look at the homelab offerings there and put a deposit down if you’re interested!
Just found this video Tim, I’m a CEO of a biotech startup. We need localized servers for our ANE clusters, we have used QNAP but would be interested in speaking.
Love the channel, love the content but NOTHING compares to seeing all the guys from all the channels hangin out together. It's REALLY heartwarming! Seeing you guys just being regular people is the best!
Tim you're my favorite technical presenter (I hate, HATE "creator" nonsense), and not only enjoy every one of your videos but you're the one I reference/recommend to people all of the time. Glad you were invited up there! I noticed all of the "creators" getting Storinators last year. Figured something was up. Your video presentations are direct, to the point, very well documented, and a pleasure to watch again and again. I've told other RUclips channels to copy your way of doing video, description, blog, etc., because it's the fastest way for ME to understand information. You cover all of the bases. You're my "software guy go-to," while @ArtOfServer is my hardware go-to. He's the same as you: direct, to the point, and gives you the 100% facts. :) We need more like you.
Hey :) just a small extra tidbit. We’ve been working with RUclipsrs for many years. You may have seen a lot last year, but we’ve been working in this space as far back as 2015 with Linus Tech Tips, iJustine, MKBHD, SlowMoGuys, and many others :) our latest partnership is with NetworkChuck - we have some really cool stuff planned with him and his team.
I remember when 45drives asked the homelab subreddit about the stuff labbers wanted to see. the HL15 is basically exactly what was asked for. All off the shelf compatibility, perfect for someone upcycling their gear. I'll need to get one or two.
Jeez, I live here in Nova Scotia and I thought I was pretty up on things. I had no idea these guys are basically in my back yard. I feel really silly not knowing about this. Great work! I hope your success continues.
Not that you'd ever get bigheaded, but all the comments in our group Slack today were about how great it was to meet you! (And a little about Brett's hot wings face!!!)
What a great experience at the creator's summit. Looking forward to the HL15 as I have quickly outgrown my Synology. I think there is a big market gap in the homelab space between desktop compute and old server hardware.
This was like watching the Avengers of Homelabs and Tech... I loved this video! I am learning from all of you guys building my first cluster for my small business.
I 3d printed something similar for my Fractal Design case, but it was quick and dirty. It basically just allows you to mount 4 drives to each other, and then utilizes the bottom drive's bottom screw holes to mount to the case. This definitely inspired me to redesign the mount and the new heat press tools I have :D
Wow awesome experience! I look up to a bunch of these guys as well, all of you have top notch tech content and has been very important for me. Keep the aweesome coming!
I am now lusting after one of those HL 15's, think I might have to save my pennies for one. I've been wanting something to replace my define R5 without having a huge define XL and I don't have anywhere to put a rack. Also very cool to see all the videos coming from the techtubers who were at this event. So happy to see someone is finally giving some love to the homelab market, like Jeff from Craft mentioned if you browse through some subreddits and homelab/DIY storage focused forums there is an opportunity here that no company has addressed yet.
It is not often you see the Uber Makers all together. No hint of "competition" amoungst them. Each is an educator to me, and they give up all they know, selflessly. 45 Drives needs to be comgradulated for their efforts to bring all this tech to us, via the people we trust.
I'd be interested to see Jeff's market analysis with respect to FreeNAS. I love the OS but haven't owned their hardware, and if "all the solutions are not great" I'd wonder why. FreeNAS is great! ZFS!
Would have loved this. I have not made the jump to 'creator' yet. but everything mentioned here and the folks involved would have been great to see and do in person.
Damn I just moved and have no room for a lab of any size to speak of, that HL-15 Looks hella interesting, will defo be keeping an eye out for it. Great video as per-usual Tim, I consider you one of the boys and your videos are as good as Jeffs, Wendells and.. well CraftComputing Jeff I can't say to much, a rabbithole yet unexplored!
@@TechnoTim U.3 is an interesting beast... U.3 drives use the same physical connector as U.2 drives (and SAS), but allow NVMe to be used, and you could have a U.3 NVMe drive or U.3 SAS (never seen SATA drive use that connector format though). There's also been some back and forth over whether "U.3" is the name for the new connection standard or not... some people prefer to call it a 'Tri-Mode' connection, but I just like U.3 because it's somewhat an evolution from U.2 and it's easier to conceptualize. The fact is has '3' modes makes it even better!
I agree with homeland NAS opportunity. I wouldn’t touch QNAP after their security issues and Synology is still shipping 1Gbps in most machines. You have to spend > $600 for the opportunity to spend another $160 for 10Gbps.
I can't wait for the HL15 to come out, I would love to buy the case with no mobo or PSU so I can do away with my corsair 750D case thats served my NAS needs for a decade.
If you want to do this on a Budget you can use an HP z440 computer with LSI 9300 SAS controller and add in internal Harddrive cage for a total of 8 internal hard drives. You could put together an entire Xeon computer with 64gb ECC Ram and controller for about $300. Or you could use one of these motherboards in your HL15
The mix and match of SSD and HDD chasis looked more interesting for homelabs than the homelab specific one. It looked like it just sacrificed 3 HDDs to add a handful of SSDs. Since large SSDs are expensive, having a handful in front of a bunch of HDDs is often a better option for homelab. Especially great for something like Unraid. I know they're quality chasis, but those prices are still high and I would like front accessible drive bays instead of having to slide the unit forward in the rack to swap a drive. That second part is more of a want than a must have.
The HL15 barebone chassis is way too expensive for what you get. $800 + shipping and depending on location, import tax, is too much for only 15 drive spaces..
@@darryllgillard9237That's great to hear. Hopefully I've been a good boy this year and Santa will be kind! Looking forward to doing some video reviews on these :)
I posted a week or so back on Jeff Geerling's YT page about the 45Homelab HL 15. As I am interested in the price on that bad boy. Jeff agreed with me on finding that out that information as well. Did you happen to know what kind of filesystem that was on machine ? Or still information waiting to come out from 45drives.
what do you mean with "what filesystem"? These systems run whatever you want. In general these will be running ZFS (on linux, RockyLinux) for single deployments or Ceph if you get a group and make a cluster
@@mitcHELLOworld Thank you, just placed my preorder! Originally signed up for the mailing list when it was first announced, but never got an email that preorders was open.
So you're telling me that 45 Drives is making a case that makes digging up my Cooler Master Stacker STC-T01 and filling it with 4x IcyDock Black Vortex MB074SP-1B was a waste of time!?! It's not like I ordered the fourth Black Vortex from Australia because it's been discontinued or anything..... Anyways looks great, really curious what their pricing will be like.
😮 the HL15 looks awesome! 🧐👂 what kind of fans they put in 45drives, silent? To express my thoughts on drive caddys, I will quote my 6yo. ::clears thought:: "A THOUSAND YEARS OF DEATH!!!" 😁 He's a character that Patrick.
45Drives had a great opportunity to simply deliver an AV15 Case + Backplane at a REASONABLE price point. Instead they took the tone-deaf approach (as evident in their r/DataHoader post) of building a “hackable” Synology. The Chassis + Backplane for $800+shipping+import is clearly an after-thought as there are no specifications to speak of and their only media release is a cringey 30min video showing xfer speed of their pre-built system. Will be interesting to see the YT Creators response to the HL15 once it ships...
Wouldn't a valid deployment of this server chassis be to build it with a pcie drive? If you were doing it at home you could steal the x16 slot for 4 nvme drives, but if you wanted something faster you could always put in a solid state add-in card. I'd do that before sacrificing spinning disk space for 2.5 inch drives, if I needed something fast to boot from.
@@marcogenovesi8570hey! So yep our home lab website is live - and we are in presale. The price for the HL15 with backplane, cables and power distribution block is $800. I promise you guys that we did our absolute best to keep the prices down as much as possible. We work on very thin margins as we are a cost + company. Our chassis are built to last. We are still actively supporting servers 10 years old in the enterprise and we aren’t like other vendors who will charge an arm and a leg to support “end of life” products. Hope that helps !
45 DRIVES WHAT A SCAM !!! 45 drives will charge you 2000 or more just for a computer case !!! and they pay or give gifts to youtubes to promote ther product , they have the spec of ther machine on the site ,, so for a server that cost lest say 5000 the hardware mb , cpu , ram ,controlers ,psu , cables , cost less than 2000 , and you end up pay 3000 for a blody case !!! and the dude that will spend 1houers assembling it , and install the os ,
Bro now that you know about CEPH you have to redo the video "Low Power Cluster - Small, Efficient, BUT Powerful!" and see the sweet world (not) of CEPH with enterprise drives, 10-40gbe etc!
Honestly meeting you was a highlight of my trip. And realizing you are even taller than me, and can handle every hot sauce in the Hot Ones lineup with barely a flinch!
One tiny drop of Apollo almost burnt my tongue. 😅
(Also, I'm Jeff ;)
You did get to this thread first, so Jeff S has to be other Jeff (at least here)
Thanks Jeff! I also didn't realize how tall you were! Thanks for all the knowledge and jokes! Looking forward to meeting again sometime!
@JeffGeerling please don't drink coca cola and other shity drinks. You have poor gut health and we need you alive and well so please try to refrain yourself from junk food and only eat healthy food.
I understand that you were in a group and you didn't want to have special requirements, but.. that's no excuse for your health
Hey Tim! It’s Mitch from 45Drives. It was awesome getting to hang out with you guys. This video was such a fantastic recap of everything and put a huge smile on my face. Can’t wait til next year already :)
Hey Mitch! Thank you so much for having us and thanks for the praises! Can't wait to come back!
@Zer0tech Thanks for hosting the summit. This was the one of the best video I've seen in months. Looking forward to the HL15 filling a product gap in the homelab market. I am excited for this and am holding off all other upgrades for it.
@@kgottsman it was our pleasure ! Thanks for watching!! Homelab is officially up for presale. Google 45homelab unfortunately I can’t post links in the comment section but you will be able to get a look at the homelab offerings there and put a deposit down if you’re interested!
Just found this video Tim, I’m a CEO of a biotech startup. We need localized servers for our ANE clusters, we have used QNAP but would be interested in speaking.
Hey Mitch, Please make that Storinator jr a real homelab system that we can buy with an option for an ITX motherboard. I would buy it in an instant!
Love the channel, love the content but NOTHING compares to seeing all the guys from all the channels hangin out together. It's REALLY heartwarming!
Seeing you guys just being regular people is the best!
Thank you! The summit aside, it was so nice to spend time with all of these folks who know what the heck I am talking about!
Holy crap, that tic-tac screw holder and rack :0, I'm so doing that! This is awesome, thanks Tim! That 45 HL sounds exciting!
We've done that for 30 years or so. Pill bottle screw holders, too. Glad the "next generation" is catching up.
Tim you're my favorite technical presenter (I hate, HATE "creator" nonsense), and not only enjoy every one of your videos but you're the one I reference/recommend to people all of the time. Glad you were invited up there! I noticed all of the "creators" getting Storinators last year. Figured something was up.
Your video presentations are direct, to the point, very well documented, and a pleasure to watch again and again. I've told other RUclips channels to copy your way of doing video, description, blog, etc., because it's the fastest way for ME to understand information. You cover all of the bases. You're my "software guy go-to," while @ArtOfServer is my hardware go-to. He's the same as you: direct, to the point, and gives you the 100% facts. :) We need more like you.
Hey :) just a small extra tidbit. We’ve been working with RUclipsrs for many years. You may have seen a lot last year, but we’ve been working in this space as far back as 2015 with Linus Tech Tips, iJustine, MKBHD, SlowMoGuys, and many others :) our latest partnership is with NetworkChuck - we have some really cool stuff planned with him and his team.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I am still just trying to figure this all out!
I remember when 45drives asked the homelab subreddit about the stuff labbers wanted to see. the HL15 is basically exactly what was asked for. All off the shelf compatibility, perfect for someone upcycling their gear. I'll need to get one or two.
Great video!
Fancy seeing you here!
Thanks Tom!
Such an awesome video! Fantastic job man. Can’t wait to get hands on with that HL15 😁
Thank you!
I have been loving all these 45Drives summit videos.
Love to see all of creators coming together, it’s like “Creators Assemble!” 😂
Congratulations on being invited Tim! You're partying with the big boys now!
Jeez, I live here in Nova Scotia and I thought I was pretty up on things. I had no idea these guys are basically in my back yard. I feel really silly not knowing about this. Great work! I hope your success continues.
I'm in this one, I'M IN THIS ONE!!! Thanks Tim
Hey Darryl! Nice to meet you!
Not that you'd ever get bigheaded, but all the comments in our group Slack today were about how great it was to meet you! (And a little about Brett's hot wings face!!!)
@@darryllgillard9237 lol the juxtaposition was crazy. Tim's like "I think this affected me a little" and Brett's back there almost hacking up a lung!
@@JeffGeerling we need a Tim v Mark Hooper challenge! We nearly nicknamed Mark the Android at our first challenge!
Woo the Storinator Jr is so nice
Yesss! Had been wanting to grab an AV15 chassis for a while but the entire HL15 kit is too good to pass up!
What a great experience at the creator's summit. Looking forward to the HL15 as I have quickly outgrown my Synology. I think there is a big market gap in the homelab space between desktop compute and old server hardware.
Darryll from 45Drives here. We launched our pre-sale site to book for shipping just last night. Google 45homelab and you'll find it to learn more!
This was like watching the Avengers of Homelabs and Tech... I loved this video! I am learning from all of you guys building my first cluster for my small business.
I 3d printed something similar for my Fractal Design case, but it was quick and dirty. It basically just allows you to mount 4 drives to each other, and then utilizes the bottom drive's bottom screw holes to mount to the case. This definitely inspired me to redesign the mount and the new heat press tools I have :D
Wow awesome experience! I look up to a bunch of these guys as well, all of you have top notch tech content and has been very important for me. Keep the aweesome coming!
That baby storinator would be awesome! especially passive cooled
TAKE MY MONEY💰💰💰
I want that HL15
The HL15 looks like it could be a great new case for my media server. I'm using a Node 804 right now.
Thanks for sharing ❤ @45Drives… if the storinator jr. doesn‘t make it to market… I’ll adopt it… 😊
I hope it does at a price point where i can buy 2. One for my location and one for a remote location.
I am now lusting after one of those HL 15's, think I might have to save my pennies for one. I've been wanting something to replace my define R5 without having a huge define XL and I don't have anywhere to put a rack. Also very cool to see all the videos coming from the techtubers who were at this event. So happy to see someone is finally giving some love to the homelab market, like Jeff from Craft mentioned if you browse through some subreddits and homelab/DIY storage focused forums there is an opportunity here that no company has addressed yet.
Cool experience and appreciate you sharing!
The pigeon is for sneakernet, often quicker to send a pigeon with a sd card than upload data over the internet.
This is cool as heck!!! Thanks for sharing!
It is not often you see the Uber Makers all together. No hint of "competition" amoungst them. Each is an educator to me, and they give up all they know, selflessly. 45 Drives needs to be comgradulated for their efforts to bring all this tech to us, via the people we trust.
Looks like a lot of fun and informative too! Excited to check out some of their products.
It's about damn time they made something that I can afford!
I'd be interested to see Jeff's market analysis with respect to FreeNAS. I love the OS but haven't owned their hardware, and if "all the solutions are not great" I'd wonder why. FreeNAS is great! ZFS!
Nice!
Would have loved this. I have not made the jump to 'creator' yet. but everything mentioned here and the folks involved would have been great to see and do in person.
Great video! Can’t wait for my 45homelab!
Omg you actually brought up the RGB! Lmao that’s awesome hahaha😂
It is crazy how i have been following for a while on your proxmox setup and you happen to be in the same town as me. Awesome
Damn I just moved and have no room for a lab of any size to speak of, that HL-15 Looks hella interesting, will defo be keeping an eye out for it. Great video as per-usual Tim, I consider you one of the boys and your videos are as good as Jeffs, Wendells and.. well CraftComputing Jeff I can't say to much, a rabbithole yet unexplored!
Too cool!
Can’t wait for the HL15…45 drives is about to be very surprised by the demand.
What a crew!
Don't forget to link the live streaming in the description
Thank you for the video, you guys are the highest point of my daily life. keep'em coming
We will!
So happy for you Tim.
Great video, you made it really interesting to watch.
What a cool experience.
😃 all those faces in one place 👌👌
I think U.3 reffers only to the backplane where it can take any kind of drive SATA, SAS or PCI-e
Thanks for the clarification!
@@TechnoTim U.3 is an interesting beast... U.3 drives use the same physical connector as U.2 drives (and SAS), but allow NVMe to be used, and you could have a U.3 NVMe drive or U.3 SAS (never seen SATA drive use that connector format though).
There's also been some back and forth over whether "U.3" is the name for the new connection standard or not... some people prefer to call it a 'Tri-Mode' connection, but I just like U.3 because it's somewhat an evolution from U.2 and it's easier to conceptualize. The fact is has '3' modes makes it even better!
I agree with homeland NAS opportunity. I wouldn’t touch QNAP after their security issues and Synology is still shipping 1Gbps in most machines. You have to spend > $600 for the opportunity to spend another $160 for 10Gbps.
I can't wait for the HL15 to come out, I would love to buy the case with no mobo or PSU so I can do away with my corsair 750D case thats served my NAS needs for a decade.
If you want to do this on a Budget you can use an HP z440 computer with LSI 9300 SAS controller and add in internal Harddrive cage for a total of 8 internal hard drives. You could put together an entire Xeon computer with 64gb ECC Ram and controller for about $300. Or you could use one of these motherboards in your HL15
I'm surprised he didn't disclose or give a nod to go check out the backstory on the pidgeon outfit.
Love the Jr case for us smaller users
Jeff is just doing a live version of the pigeon carrier net 😉
Oh the little Mac Studio
11:08 "Why did trackballs disappear?", _StackExchange_
Naahh ... not yet !
The mix and match of SSD and HDD chasis looked more interesting for homelabs than the homelab specific one. It looked like it just sacrificed 3 HDDs to add a handful of SSDs. Since large SSDs are expensive, having a handful in front of a bunch of HDDs is often a better option for homelab. Especially great for something like Unraid. I know they're quality chasis, but those prices are still high and I would like front accessible drive bays instead of having to slide the unit forward in the rack to swap a drive. That second part is more of a want than a must have.
super fun video
Glad you enjoyed it!
awesome video as always!
The HL15 barebone chassis is way too expensive for what you get.
$800 + shipping and depending on location, import tax, is too much for only 15 drive spaces..
Tim, I didn’t know you’re in MN! Please have a fan meet up!!
Sounds awesome! Yup! MPLS!
Nice, I'm excited to see these on the market and see some field tests. Do you know which markets they'll be available in?
Hey Jim, we will ship anywhere Fedex reaches, with compatible power cords on PSU equipped units.
@@darryllgillard9237That's great to hear. Hopefully I've been a good boy this year and Santa will be kind! Looking forward to doing some video reviews on these :)
Здорово, что есть такие команды, очень вдохновляет😊
Based storage
Discuss hard disk mmm interesting !!
I posted a week or so back on Jeff Geerling's YT page about the 45Homelab HL 15. As I am interested in the price on that bad boy.
Jeff agreed with me on finding that out that information as well. Did you happen to know what kind of filesystem that was on
machine ? Or still information waiting to come out from 45drives.
what do you mean with "what filesystem"? These systems run whatever you want. In general these will be running ZFS (on linux, RockyLinux) for single deployments or Ceph if you get a group and make a cluster
Presale is up for the HL15 if you want! Unfortunately I can’t put the website but if you google 45homelab it should be the first result !
@@mitcHELLOworld Thank you, just placed my preorder! Originally signed up for the mailing list when it was first announced, but never got an email that preorders was open.
@@kalam564same
So you're telling me that 45 Drives is making a case that makes digging up my Cooler Master Stacker STC-T01 and filling it with 4x IcyDock Black Vortex MB074SP-1B was a waste of time!?! It's not like I ordered the fourth Black Vortex from Australia because it's been discontinued or anything.....
Anyways looks great, really curious what their pricing will be like.
I want to buy the case...when take my money?
This guy looks like Johnny Depp
😮 the HL15 looks awesome!
🧐👂 what kind of fans they put in 45drives, silent?
To express my thoughts on drive caddys, I will quote my 6yo. ::clears thought:: "A THOUSAND YEARS OF DEATH!!!"
😁 He's a character that Patrick.
Im sad, this will never be available in my country.
45Drives had a great opportunity to simply deliver an AV15 Case + Backplane at a REASONABLE price point. Instead they took the tone-deaf approach (as evident in their r/DataHoader post) of building a “hackable” Synology. The Chassis + Backplane for $800+shipping+import is clearly an after-thought as there are no specifications to speak of and their only media release is a cringey 30min video showing xfer speed of their pre-built system.
Will be interesting to see the YT Creators response to the HL15 once it ships...
Wouldn't a valid deployment of this server chassis be to build it with a pcie drive? If you were doing it at home you could steal the x16 slot for 4 nvme drives, but if you wanted something faster you could always put in a solid state add-in card. I'd do that before sacrificing spinning disk space for 2.5 inch drives, if I needed something fast to boot from.
I wish 45drives would help me with the storage solutions ...
Is there any other alternative other that paying this absurd amount of money for a case
Second hands Supermicro case
the stornado 2U NVME is not an enterprise product it is a nas with just 1 power supply. I do not see enterprise products there.
Love these products your either have to be rich to buy or get for free as a youtuber...
I can already imagine the kidney-destroying price...
Take my money
Home lab website is up and presale has begun! Hehe
@@mitcHELLOworld $100 has been committed!!
Jealous! Congrats.*
799 just for a case and backplane no thanks
unfortunately the homelab stuff isn't priced realistically even for the spendiest of home labbers
Dunno, the pricing is more viable for mid size business not for the homelab.
what pricing? the HL15price wasn't announced afaik. That's the "for home lab" rack, everything else is for businness
@@marcogenovesi8570 They've said starting around $800 on a few other videos
@@marcogenovesi8570hey! So yep our home lab website is live - and we are in presale. The price for the HL15 with backplane, cables and power distribution block is $800. I promise you guys that we did our absolute best to keep the prices down as much as possible. We work on very thin margins as we are a cost + company. Our chassis are built to last. We are still actively supporting servers 10 years old in the enterprise and we aren’t like other vendors who will charge an arm and a leg to support “end of life” products. Hope that helps !
45 DRIVES WHAT A SCAM !!! 45 drives will charge you 2000 or more just for a computer case !!! and they pay or give gifts to youtubes to promote ther product , they have the spec of ther machine on the site ,, so for a server that cost lest say 5000 the hardware mb , cpu , ram ,controlers ,psu , cables , cost less than 2000 , and you end up pay 3000 for a blody case !!! and the dude that will spend 1houers assembling it , and install the os ,
Not sure what you’re talking about. It’s 2,000 fully loaded without drives
the price on ther site is for empty , they give you only 2 250ssd @@TechnoTim
what a trip cool
Bro now that you know about CEPH you have to redo the video "Low Power Cluster - Small, Efficient, BUT Powerful!" and see the sweet world (not) of CEPH with enterprise drives, 10-40gbe etc!
i see all the youtuber video ,if have learn linux tv guy it will be great
Love seeing these creators come together in the same place!
Homelab 45drives a Emaar hills hl15
Awesom!
The PEOPLEs specialists, not the CIAs specialists, on a table.
I really liked it.
Thank you for the review and your transparency!
Great video. And nicely done 45drives !
Glad you enjoyed it!
did you see that storinator what was transformed to beerinator if i remember that name right as it was geekbeat tv days
widdle bitty storinator lmfao!
awesome trip!!!! thanks for sharing!