Even sasuke going psycho at one point talking about “I want to turn those laughs into screams” makes sense dude has been going through it his whole life non stop from the loss of his family and clan, to his journey for vengeance, just to find out he’s been living in a lie made by the higher ups his whole life, and that’s without going into to the nitty gritty of it, totally understandable why he would lose his mind and way of thinking. His eventual conclusion to reform society as a whole also made sense to me when you view it from his pov, of course there are problems with his plan but that’s fine since sasuke isn’t supposed to be a perfect all knowing character he’s a flawed 17 yr old.
@@deadriyah yea they were just misleading his goals,emotions to make it helpful to achieve their own goals. It was hard for him to even look at Sakura without being Sane. Right before Genjutsu ing Sakura, his leg somewhat twitches in hesitation when she calls him if u observe. Man.. that was painful
Itachi isn't a good brother, try to change my mind. He told his 7 years old brother to go kill his best friend because of goddamn eyes. He put his 7 years old brother in Tsukiyomi and made him watch their parents getting killed. Later he did that again. He forced Sasuke to hate him that way, because he wanted to be punished for what he did. But in all of that he never really worried about how Sasuke feels. And in the end because of his trauma Sasuke ends up without any will to live besides the need to kill Itachi. Sasuke was right when he said in og Naruto that he lives only because he's a tool to escape the guilt. Like, "in the end I protected you, didn't I?". And after Sasuke finds out about the truth, look at his actions. He uses Mangekyo left and right, knowing entirely that he'll go blind in no time from that. He rushes to fight Kage, the undoubtedly strongest opponents, without fear. He no longer cares for his Taka team. In the fight against the Raikage, he destroys the building he himself is in. In the fight against Danzo, they pierce each other. Sasuke doesn't plan ahead anymore the way he used to with Itachi's and Deidara's fights. He rushes ahead to his death with zero hesitation. He is plain suicidal. Then, Naruto offers him to die with him, and it changes everything. In my opinion, the only reason it wasn't stated clearly is that Naruto had to remain a 12+ show, not 18+.
@user-wb2tm3hv8w wow you did a really good Analyse . As much as I love Itachi you are completely right . He was definitely everything other than a good brother , yes you can say that he got manipulated and used by danzo etc. but still he did a lot of things to his brother that were literally not necessary . As if he wanted to take all his pain out on his brother because ‚he would kill him anyway at the end , so let’s just push it to the edge’ kind of thinking
@@nejihyuga5008 in Itachi's mind it was justified as means to make Sasuke stronger. I would never argue with that he's a superb leaf shinobi, but it's strange to see him portrayed as a caring brother Upd. By the way, Sasuke does literally what you described to Naruto just the way Itachi did it to him, lol
It’s not Sasuke had a family And was born with skill Naruto was bullied and nobody cared about him and thought he was a monster and nobody believed in him to become hokage
This is crazy. Naruto didn’t even meet his family. Everyone hated him. Sasuke still had a life with his family and community and he got respect from his academy This is literally no debate.
I completely agree with everything you just stated. I never hated Sasuke when i first watch the show because I get him. And I understand why he became the way that he did. I felt the blame for Sasuke turning out the way he did was because of Itachi and some part the Leaf. He witnessed his family and clan being massacred and keep in mind place under Itachi tsukuyomi to relive the Uchiha slaughter. Some folks expect him to get over it like really 🤦🏽♂️ Then it the Leaf fault for not getting him help after the massacred and expect a kid to deal with it. Then to find out the entire time the person you hated which is your brother was order to kill his family and clan by the same village your brother wants you protect. And everyone expects him right away to follow Itachi footsteps. And when he refuses, he doesn't love his brother. And which my thoughts are you can have love for a family member and still disagree with them and that love is still there (Sasuke finds out the truth about Itachi and chose to seek vengeance against the Leaf). The Hidden Leaf has been known for doing some messed up things. The way they treated Naruto, Kabuto, Pain, and blame the Uchiha for the Nine Tail Incident etc. So why should Sasuke be loyal to these a**holes when these a**holes refuse to give his clan the benefit of the doubt during the Nine tail incident. But anyway this was great. I hope you have a wonderful day. Stay safe, take care and stay amazing Dead Riyah
Let’s be honest, all the adults from Konoha f*cked up. Hiruzen, Itachi etc. that were ‚close‘ to him literally knew of all the thing that itachi did and Hiruzen even knew the whole truth and they still gaslighted Sasuke the whole time by saying shit like ‚forget about it‘ etc. no empathy , no help till it got out of hand .
I agree, she may not be as strong as Naruto and Sasuke but as a medical ninja she has surpassed most people in her field. She’s not as useless as many people say
She is definitely not useless in shippuden but she was in og naruto. (Well atleast she did nothing considering the screen time she got) She is still annoying and poorly written but that is common in every female character from naruto.Tsunade and konan are the only female characters who has depth and meaning. Sakura is still annoying sometimes but she is extremely usefull and without her naruto might have died multiple times and she is one of the people who actually cared for him. Also no one should blame her for not loving naruto as a boyfriend cuz she was in love with someone else and naruto was in the wrong. You cant force someone into loving you when they love someone else.
@@deadriyahAlso she is the strongest kunoichi in the series. I haven't watched boruto so dont know if anyone surpassed her or not. I wanted her to be strong but even though her strength doesn't make sense I think it was a good decision to make her this strong. Also why I am saying it doesn't make sense is cuz she had literally no potential in anything except genjutsu. She had good chakra control and she could have mastered genjutsu. Her potential was extremely small but she surpassed people like lee, gara, many kages and all of the sannins and people like pain, itachi and even obito. I am saying this cuz in her light novel her speed was said to be equal to guy with 8 gates. Her strength is already higher than his so she is stronger than guy. That doesnt even make sense a girl with no potential or hidden potential became stronger than 99% of shinobis cuz her master was tsunade. Also for some reason shizune who was tsunades student for years is no where near sakura and sakura even surpassed her master who had great potential and experience. Even though her strength doesn't make sense she deserved a power up
I definitely think there was wasted potential for her character, but she’s good in boruto when she’s on screen, although she doesn’t have a lot of screen time she really shines when she gets it. Sarada is leaps and bounds better when it comes to actually doing things in team 7
I hated Naruto's and Sakura's fixation with Sasuke way more that his edgy or straight up evil moments. Bro's been through a lot AND is a member or a highly emotional clan. Uchiha's powers literally revolve around pushing your emotions to the limit. On the other hand, all his supposed "friends" wanted to do was to drag him back to the village to relive the "old days" and satisfy their own egos. A true friend would've left with him to help in his revenge, or at least make sure he doesn't get himself killed. Sakura and Naruto were selfish AF.
For some reason I've never brought myself to hate Sasuke even as a child because I knew that what he was doing was realistic af and that all you need to do is to put yourself in somebody's shoes to understand them
Literally all you need to do. When I watched shippuden as a teenager I was so focused on the other characters feelings that I never considered sasuke’s 😭
I always saw him as an misguided kid. In part 1 he was 12-13 thats like hitting puberty and shippuden he was 16-17. He was an abused kid in a messed up society of child soldiers. Closest thing to positive male figure in his life was kakashi. Even itachi failed him from day one.
I hated Sasuke at first moreso because he was standoffish and a jerk to his team, but after watching it again, I'm more empathetic to him. He was also really young, and was always on his own.
He ain’t even seen itatchi kill his parents one time it was a million itatchi put so much hate in his heart setting him up to be the hero from the start but that didn’t work lol
As a fellow former susgay hater I can say this is facts but he didn’t have to leave the leaf to get stronger a training trip with kakashi would’ve put him where he was at by the start of shippuden and from there plot armor and power ups would’ve taken him to war arc level until they get the six paths power ups. He would’ve been able to fight itachi probably get the truth about his clan bc he wouldn’t be hell bent on revenge. Gotten mangekyo by watching itachi die of sickness on their way back to the leaf to expose Danzo.
Now i hated Sasuke too but it quickly changed cause its like thats kinda how hes desgined. But nah fr like kakashi, hiruzen and the others know full well itachi killed the clan but they straight up basically told Sasuke "hey i know ya whole family got murked by your currently alive brother but just forget about it and enjoy life" On top of that they never gave Sasuke any credit for his W's and always called it pure luck. Point is if you don't like him its cool but just like give a valid reason, other than that the sasule slander is outa control. And he aint even my favorite character too lol
Same! He’s not even my fav character but it’s super important to be able to step back and see things from his perspective. The adults really did fail him. Great take!
@@deadriyah even after Tsunade tells and Sakura that Sasuke "killed" orochimaru and is still tryna kill Itachi Naruto blatantly says "that's thing again" like it's just a lil thing. Again I used to blame Sasuke for a lot but I stepped back and realized everyone else is to blame
@@bigmanlivin__life7466 😂😂😂kakashi sounded mad delusional. He is right, but there’s no way sasuke would’ve been like “you’re right let me put this behind me”
Sasuke is mixed bag for me. Naruto recived so much hate and hurt by sasuke's actions, and even got beaten up (willingly might I mention-) because he was so loyal to Sasuke. Meanwhile Sasuke in question is off murdering his teammates just to get an upper hand on the enemy. (But that enemy happened to be Danzo so I'll give him a semi-pass on that-) But I've realized a lot of my hate on Sasuke comes from Naruto and Sakura's openess to reciving hate and hurt. Now I can put up with Sakura tanking a little of hate away from the pile since she grew up privlidged and happy, but Naruto? No. Oh my god. No. Dude already has so much pain going through the background of his mind and past I just can't stand it getting any bigger. So i'm left waiting until the moment either Sasuke has no one left to give hate to or Naruto smacks him in the face and spams Talk no Jutsu like hell. It might just be myself being unbeliving in the face of Naruto's pure dedication and commitment to someone who's been an utter a-hole for the last 50 episodes. But then again, I haven't finished the war arc and Naruto's entire purpose and theme is to stop the cycle of hate so I might just need a rewatch 10 years from now ey?
@@user-wb2tm3hv8wThanks man, I know most of what happens after the war but I haven't actually watched it so i'm really just missing the dialog and explanation of why and how. Nonetheless I'm glad you're understanding of where I'm coming from.
the thing with Naruto tho is that technically he chose to get hurt in order to stay loyal to sasuke who himself told him to give up like he didn't tell him to take beatings for him but other than that I agree
@@idkmyname5565 Yes that's a great point but my hate stems from Sasuke not accepting Naruto's selfless acts, and while I know that's wrong to hate someone for such a thing especially to some who is closed off for a good reason, but it is how I feel as of now and will most-likely change as I mature. And thanks for understanding the rest of my argument :D
How could those words ever leave your mouth even just as an example "fma brotherhood was boring". ill admit 12yo me liked the original anime because wrath and sloth but never on my lifffe have i heard such disrespect. Take it back plssss😢
I don't and can't hate Sasuke. He's one of the anime characters that personifies Depression, Trauma, Anxiety, PTSD... He's literally mentally unstable af. • Sasuke was a good kid despite being constantly compared to Itachi since he was young. He was also quite shunned by his father as he live on his older brother's shadow. But even so, he still loved and admired Itachi. • Dude had to watch his parents and the entire clan die from the hands of his older brother for more than 500,000 times. (I feel and know that I will go insane if that happened to me, even with just 1 recound of the memory) • Survivor's guilt. He wanted to die along with his clan. Without his intent to avenge his clan, he probably would have committed. He actually tried tho... When he jumped into the lake and let his body sank. • His older brother implanted the mentality and concept of hate to Sasuke as a child who's grieving and betrayed. Itachi was so fu for saying, "You don't have enough hate." to such a child even if he meant to say that "Hate me and avenge the clan but in a good way." • A reminder that during the Wave arc in Naruto (origin) Sasuke was willing to let go of his revenge and die for Naruto's sake. He toughr that he was actually gonna die but accepted his fate. • Sasuke searched for Naruto when he learned that Itachi was after him. He was worried sick that something bad might have happened to Naruto. *proceeds to get chocked by his older brother and re-live the Uchiha massacre • He would have stayed in the village if it weren't for his pursuit to quickly avenge his clan. • He had to live on his own at the age of six. • Tormented by memories • Dicovered the truth about Itachi. • Regret and guilt gnawing him. • Was treated with caution and despise. • Adult's betrayals. • Manipulated. (The elders of the leaf was the cause of his clan's eradication. Orochimaru. Itachi himself.) • Learnt that almost his entire clan's eyes were taken. • A lonely kid. • Sasuke, had to grow up too fast. He had to shoulder responsibilities that weren't meant for him. • + He loves animals.
Bro besides all the retcons and bs, naruto grow up with a hatred not in his heart but around him. This is why I hate sasuke not because he is edgy or smth. He is just spoiled edgy kid with doujutsu. I mean you're an idol for everyone around you, girls are dying for you, you have doujutsu i don't give a f about your life, naruto hated and scared by community, kurama hated him, he didn't get the love as sasuke as he born as orphan, his love interest was interested in edgy op guy. Bro pushed himself to become opposite of what people believed him to be. He beat kurama which is close to pure hatred with love and you say op guy gone through. Its like my rich father doesn't give me enough attention because he is working for my future vs I have no father bro.
Say this again after having watched your entire clan die at the hands of your older brother and then being forced to watch it over 500k times. Then argue.
@@idkmyname5565 Bro idc about my clan or smth like you may have trauma of your big bros kill streak but you had people who can help you to cope with your problems like sakura and ino was dying for you and other guys can't hurt you or can be friend of you every teacher likes you. On the other hand literally pushed by love interest no friends desperate for attention and love no father or mother you didn't taste any of this shit, your clan doesn't really exist like how many uzumakis or namikazes you see. Lastly you have freakin doujutsu bro, what naruto has ? literally pure hatred locked in him along side hate of leaf village. Cmon bro people think about random person bullying them and imagine getting bullied by whole village.
@@Orcun_K Ah yes because if your entire family was killed in front of you, you wouldn’t care :) SHOCKER. All those girls who wanted him really did not give a damn about his feelings. All of them weren’t fighting over who was going to be there for Sasuke when he went through hard times, they were fucking fighting over who could call him ‘mine’. They didn’t even try to help in the slightest, sure he was idolised but do you think he didn’t feel even an ounce of guilt when that happened - do you think he never felt that someone who couldn’t save their family wasn’t fit to be idolised? Because it’s cannon that Sasuke feels regret for not doing anything and was confirmed when Orochimaru first gave him the cursed mark. Then you bring up the argument about Naruto. So like did you skip over the entirety of Shippuden or smth? Coz Naruto had friends, real friends: Shikamaru and Choji and to some extent even Ino. We see multiple flashbacks of them playing and talking to each other. Yes, being hated and bullied is hard, but does it come close to being mind tortured by your own brother and living in guilt for not being able to prevent the said brother from killing every single person in your family in front of your eyes for over 500,000 times. And when you state smth like ‘At LeAsT hE wAsN’t PiCkEd On By ThE vIlLaGe’ need I remind you that Konoha actively despised the Uchiha, and while they didn’t hate on him directly its no secret they gossiped about him a lot which we literally see from Naruto’s POV. Then you say that Naruto had no mother or father, and that’s EXACTLY why he didn’t suffer. He felt no grief with them being dead because he never knew them. He didn’t know the warmth of the world whereas Sasuke did, and then had it stripped away from him in the cruellest way possible. You say how many Uzumakis or Namikazes I’ve seen? Well, I can’t say I’ve seen a lot, but I CAN say there are SOME. Karin, Nagato, and while he’s dead Karin is very much alive and there are undeniably more Uzumakis out there. Sasuke on the other hand LITERALLY has no other Uchihas but himself as now Itachi, Obito and Madara are dead. If Naruto was pushed by his love interest then what was Sasuke? My guy probably never even loved Sakura but decided to fuck with it because he needed to make it up for her. Like at least Naruto showed some care for Hinata and it didn't literally seem he was guilt ridden into doing it. Then you tell me to imagine getting bullied - but there’s the thing, I can imagine it. This is stuff that happens in the real world, however I believe it's probably extremely hard to find somone who witnessed their brother kiII their entire family when they were 7. Naruto had all the jinchurikis to understand his pain, he had Gaara right by his side who went through mostly the exact same things he did however he chose to discard that and run after the one who literally wanted to kill him, and not without reason either. Itachi literally groomed and manipulated him into thinking that the only way to get power was to kill his closest friend. And even after that he still chose not to kill him during the first fight, when he could’ve easily since Naruto was literally lying unconscious right in front of him, but he chose not to. The only time he actually does something against Konoha is after Itachi’s truth which even THEN is justified. Imagine living up to something for half your life, finally achieving something and then some stranger pops up and tells you that the one who subjected you to trauma you’d never forget did it to protect you and it’s all because of the Shinobi’s shitty system. You’d be trolling if you said that Danzo’s death was not one of the most deserved shits ever. Then others say ‘Oh but Itachi did everything for the village, why did Sasuke try to destroy it?” well, because Sasuke is fucking SMART unlike Itachi who didn’t have blind faith in the stupid village that encourages the concept of children killing others and are literally ignoring the well being of anyone. Sasuke was the only one who saw the world for what it was - that being corrupt as hell. And I just want to mention for your saying that Sasuke is edgy and emo, he was manipulated and used by half the antagonists in the show at his lowest states of mentality. Sasuke acted on nothing but human nature and while you may deny it because I’m sure you will you’d have done mostly the exact same thing. Naruto is probably one of the most unrealistic characters in the world and then people say that Naruto should’ve turned evil but when Sasuke who had equal amount of right to do it actually did you all start hating on him and that’s because you only focus on stuff from the MC’s POV and assume he must have it the worst because this is all his feelings and stuff however if you break out of Kishimoto’s genjutsu and look at other characters who have clearly suffered worse, Sasuke being one of them, you begin realising how right he was and how blind Naruto and Itachi’s faith in Konoha was. And if you bring up him trying to kiII Sakrua Imma lose it because she tried to kiII him first. Every one he has kiIIed always attacked him first and he even restrained himself from kiIIing 10k shinobi and Orochimaru calling him naive for doing so. Moral of the story: THINK before spouting nonsense
I never understood why people hate Sasuke
Even sasuke going psycho at one point talking about “I want to turn those laughs into screams” makes sense dude has been going through it his whole life non stop from the loss of his family and clan, to his journey for vengeance, just to find out he’s been living in a lie made by the higher ups his whole life, and that’s without going into to the nitty gritty of it, totally understandable why he would lose his mind and way of thinking. His eventual conclusion to reform society as a whole also made sense to me when you view it from his pov, of course there are problems with his plan but that’s fine since sasuke isn’t supposed to be a perfect all knowing character he’s a flawed 17 yr old.
All his paths were just adults misleading him, using him for their own goals
I agree! So sad when you look back on it 😭
@@deadriyah yea they were just misleading his goals,emotions to make it helpful to achieve their own goals.
It was hard for him to even look at Sakura without being Sane.
Right before Genjutsu ing Sakura, his leg somewhat twitches in hesitation when she calls him if u observe.
Man.. that was painful
Itachi isn't a good brother, try to change my mind.
He told his 7 years old brother to go kill his best friend because of goddamn eyes.
He put his 7 years old brother in Tsukiyomi and made him watch their parents getting killed. Later he did that again.
He forced Sasuke to hate him that way, because he wanted to be punished for what he did. But in all of that he never really worried about how Sasuke feels. And in the end because of his trauma Sasuke ends up without any will to live besides the need to kill Itachi. Sasuke was right when he said in og Naruto that he lives only because he's a tool to escape the guilt. Like, "in the end I protected you, didn't I?".
And after Sasuke finds out about the truth, look at his actions. He uses Mangekyo left and right, knowing entirely that he'll go blind in no time from that. He rushes to fight Kage, the undoubtedly strongest opponents, without fear. He no longer cares for his Taka team. In the fight against the Raikage, he destroys the building he himself is in. In the fight against Danzo, they pierce each other. Sasuke doesn't plan ahead anymore the way he used to with Itachi's and Deidara's fights. He rushes ahead to his death with zero hesitation.
He is plain suicidal.
Then, Naruto offers him to die with him, and it changes everything.
In my opinion, the only reason it wasn't stated clearly is that Naruto had to remain a 12+ show, not 18+.
Great take
Came to rebuddle, but damn that's a convincing ass argument.
@user-wb2tm3hv8w wow you did a really good Analyse . As much as I love Itachi you are completely right . He was definitely everything other than a good brother , yes you can say that he got manipulated and used by danzo etc. but still he did a lot of things to his brother that were literally not necessary . As if he wanted to take all his pain out on his brother because ‚he would kill him anyway at the end , so let’s just push it to the edge’ kind of thinking
@@nejihyuga5008 in Itachi's mind it was justified as means to make Sasuke stronger. I would never argue with that he's a superb leaf shinobi, but it's strange to see him portrayed as a caring brother
Upd. By the way, Sasuke does literally what you described to Naruto just the way Itachi did it to him, lol
Honestly, sounds like something an older brother would do.
I never hated Sasuke even as a child because i always knew that his life was a lot shittier than Naruto's.
No, it was as shitty, slightly less. Naruto is poor & eats expired milk
It’s not Sasuke had a family And was born with skill Naruto was bullied and nobody cared about him and thought he was a monster and nobody believed in him to become hokage
This is crazy. Naruto didn’t even meet his family. Everyone hated him. Sasuke still had a life with his family and community and he got respect from his academy
This is literally no debate.
I completely agree with everything you just stated. I never hated Sasuke when i first watch the show because I get him. And I understand why he became the way that he did. I felt the blame for Sasuke turning out the way he did was because of Itachi and some part the Leaf. He witnessed his family and clan being massacred and keep in mind place under Itachi tsukuyomi to relive the Uchiha slaughter. Some folks expect him to get over it like really 🤦🏽♂️ Then it the Leaf fault for not getting him help after the massacred and expect a kid to deal with it.
Then to find out the entire time the person you hated which is your brother was order to kill his family and clan by the same village your brother wants you protect. And everyone expects him right away to follow Itachi footsteps. And when he refuses, he doesn't love his brother. And which my thoughts are you can have love for a family member and still disagree with them and that love is still there (Sasuke finds out the truth about Itachi and chose to seek vengeance against the Leaf).
The Hidden Leaf has been known for doing some messed up things. The way they treated Naruto, Kabuto, Pain, and blame the Uchiha for the Nine Tail Incident etc. So why should Sasuke be loyal to these a**holes when these a**holes refuse to give his clan the benefit of the doubt during the Nine tail incident.
But anyway this was great. I hope you have a wonderful day. Stay safe, take care and stay amazing Dead Riyah
What he went through, no way in hell am I hating him.
used to dislike him grownig up til i rewatched recently and now hes my 2nd fav naruto character
Let’s be honest, all the adults from Konoha f*cked up. Hiruzen, Itachi etc. that were ‚close‘ to him literally knew of all the thing that itachi did and Hiruzen even knew the whole truth and they still gaslighted Sasuke the whole time by saying shit like ‚forget about it‘ etc. no empathy , no help till it got out of hand .
Agreed
Also am i the only that thinks sakura shouldn't get as much as she does in shippuden after rewatching
I agree, she may not be as strong as Naruto and Sasuke but as a medical ninja she has surpassed most people in her field. She’s not as useless as many people say
She is definitely not useless in shippuden but she was in og naruto. (Well atleast she did nothing considering the screen time she got)
She is still annoying and poorly written but that is common in every female character from naruto.Tsunade and konan are the only female characters who has depth and meaning.
Sakura is still annoying sometimes but she is extremely usefull and without her naruto might have died multiple times and she is one of the people who actually cared for him.
Also no one should blame her for not loving naruto as a boyfriend cuz she was in love with someone else and naruto was in the wrong. You cant force someone into loving you when they love someone else.
@@deadriyahAlso she is the strongest kunoichi in the series. I haven't watched boruto so dont know if anyone surpassed her or not.
I wanted her to be strong but even though her strength doesn't make sense I think it was a good decision to make her this strong.
Also why I am saying it doesn't make sense is cuz she had literally no potential in anything except genjutsu. She had good chakra control and she could have mastered genjutsu. Her potential was extremely small but she surpassed people like lee, gara, many kages and all of the sannins and people like pain, itachi and even obito.
I am saying this cuz in her light novel her speed was said to be equal to guy with 8 gates.
Her strength is already higher than his so she is stronger than guy.
That doesnt even make sense a girl with no potential or hidden potential became stronger than 99% of shinobis cuz her master was tsunade. Also for some reason shizune who was tsunades student for years is no where near sakura and sakura even surpassed her master who had great potential and experience.
Even though her strength doesn't make sense she deserved a power up
I definitely think there was wasted potential for her character, but she’s good in boruto when she’s on screen, although she doesn’t have a lot of screen time she really shines when she gets it. Sarada is leaps and bounds better when it comes to actually doing things in team 7
I hated Naruto's and Sakura's fixation with Sasuke way more that his edgy or straight up evil moments.
Bro's been through a lot AND is a member or a highly emotional clan. Uchiha's powers literally revolve around pushing your emotions to the limit.
On the other hand, all his supposed "friends" wanted to do was to drag him back to the village to relive the "old days" and satisfy their own egos. A true friend would've left with him to help in his revenge, or at least make sure he doesn't get himself killed.
Sakura and Naruto were selfish AF.
When he killed his brother he tried to destroy a village, revenge is not necessary in any situation
Fans arguing over Naruto and Sasuke
Me: Hold my card(Boruto)
For some reason I've never brought myself to hate Sasuke even as a child because I knew that what he was doing was realistic af and that all you need to do is to put yourself in somebody's shoes to understand them
Literally all you need to do. When I watched shippuden as a teenager I was so focused on the other characters feelings that I never considered sasuke’s 😭
But the man was valid
I never hated Sasuke...I have a brain and understand why he did what he did.
I have a few friends that still hate him, even as adults 😭
I always saw him as an misguided kid. In part 1 he was 12-13 thats like hitting puberty and shippuden he was 16-17. He was an abused kid in a messed up society of child soldiers. Closest thing to positive male figure in his life was kakashi. Even itachi failed him from day one.
I hated Sasuke at first moreso because he was standoffish and a jerk to his team, but after watching it again, I'm more empathetic to him. He was also really young, and was always on his own.
He ain’t even seen itatchi kill his parents one time it was a million itatchi put so much hate in his heart setting him up to be the hero from the start but that didn’t work lol
As a fellow former susgay hater I can say this is facts but he didn’t have to leave the leaf to get stronger a training trip with kakashi would’ve put him where he was at by the start of shippuden and from there plot armor and power ups would’ve taken him to war arc level until they get the six paths power ups. He would’ve been able to fight itachi probably get the truth about his clan bc he wouldn’t be hell bent on revenge. Gotten mangekyo by watching itachi die of sickness on their way back to the leaf to expose Danzo.
Now i hated Sasuke too but it quickly changed cause its like thats kinda how hes desgined. But nah fr like kakashi, hiruzen and the others know full well itachi killed the clan but they straight up basically told Sasuke "hey i know ya whole family got murked by your currently alive brother but just forget about it and enjoy life" On top of that they never gave Sasuke any credit for his W's and always called it pure luck. Point is if you don't like him its cool but just like give a valid reason, other than that the sasule slander is outa control. And he aint even my favorite character too lol
Same! He’s not even my fav character but it’s super important to be able to step back and see things from his perspective. The adults really did fail him. Great take!
@@deadriyah thanks I'm currently watching the scene where kakashi telling Sasuke to forget about revenge. I'm just like "huh, how does that work"
@@deadriyah even after Tsunade tells and Sakura that Sasuke "killed" orochimaru and is still tryna kill Itachi Naruto blatantly says "that's thing again" like it's just a lil thing. Again I used to blame Sasuke for a lot but I stepped back and realized everyone else is to blame
@@bigmanlivin__life7466 😂😂😂kakashi sounded mad delusional. He is right, but there’s no way sasuke would’ve been like “you’re right let me put this behind me”
Sasuke is mixed bag for me. Naruto recived so much hate and hurt by sasuke's actions, and even got beaten up (willingly might I mention-) because he was so loyal to Sasuke. Meanwhile Sasuke in question is off murdering his teammates just to get an upper hand on the enemy. (But that enemy happened to be Danzo so I'll give him a semi-pass on that-)
But I've realized a lot of my hate on Sasuke comes from Naruto and Sakura's openess to reciving hate and hurt. Now I can put up with Sakura tanking a little of hate away from the pile since she grew up privlidged and happy, but Naruto? No. Oh my god. No. Dude already has so much pain going through the background of his mind and past I just can't stand it getting any bigger. So i'm left waiting until the moment either Sasuke has no one left to give hate to or Naruto smacks him in the face and spams Talk no Jutsu like hell.
It might just be myself being unbeliving in the face of Naruto's pure dedication and commitment to someone who's been an utter a-hole for the last 50 episodes.
But then again, I haven't finished the war arc and Naruto's entire purpose and theme is to stop the cycle of hate so I might just need a rewatch 10 years from now ey?
Trust me, the rest of the arc and the show makes sense. At this point your perception of him is completely justified.
@@user-wb2tm3hv8wThanks man, I know most of what happens after the war but I haven't actually watched it so i'm really just missing the dialog and explanation of why and how. Nonetheless I'm glad you're understanding of where I'm coming from.
the thing with Naruto tho is that technically he chose to get hurt in order to stay loyal to sasuke who himself told him to give up like he didn't tell him to take beatings for him but other than that I agree
@@idkmyname5565 Yes that's a great point but my hate stems from Sasuke not accepting Naruto's selfless acts, and while I know that's wrong to hate someone for such a thing especially to some who is closed off for a good reason, but it is how I feel as of now and will most-likely change as I mature. And thanks for understanding the rest of my argument :D
How could those words ever leave your mouth even just as an example "fma brotherhood was boring". ill admit 12yo me liked the original anime because wrath and sloth but never on my lifffe have i heard such disrespect. Take it back plssss😢
I’ve had a few of my followers say it was boring 😭😭😭. It’s hard for me to understand their point because I loveee full metal
@@deadriyah yeah its definitely on my list of goated anime id fight anyone to tell me otherwise Ed is the big brother we all would love to have.
@@omizzleloflizzle9513 I swearrr, it’s literally top 10 all time and no one can change my mind 🤣🤣
I don't and can't hate Sasuke.
He's one of the anime characters that personifies Depression, Trauma, Anxiety, PTSD... He's literally mentally unstable af.
• Sasuke was a good kid despite being constantly compared to Itachi since he was young. He was also quite shunned by his father as he live on his older brother's shadow. But even so, he still loved and admired Itachi.
• Dude had to watch his parents and the entire clan die from the hands of his older brother for more than 500,000 times. (I feel and know that I will go insane if that happened to me, even with just 1 recound of the memory)
• Survivor's guilt. He wanted to die along with his clan. Without his intent to avenge his clan, he probably would have committed. He actually tried tho... When he jumped into the lake and let his body sank.
• His older brother implanted the mentality and concept of hate to Sasuke as a child who's grieving and betrayed. Itachi was so fu for saying, "You don't have enough hate." to such a child even if he meant to say that "Hate me and avenge the clan but in a good way."
• A reminder that during the Wave arc in Naruto (origin) Sasuke was willing to let go of his revenge and die for Naruto's sake. He toughr that he was actually gonna die but accepted his fate.
• Sasuke searched for Naruto when he learned that Itachi was after him. He was worried sick that something bad might have happened to Naruto. *proceeds to get chocked by his older brother and re-live the Uchiha massacre
• He would have stayed in the village if it weren't for his pursuit to quickly avenge his clan.
• He had to live on his own at the age of six.
• Tormented by memories
• Dicovered the truth about Itachi.
• Regret and guilt gnawing him.
• Was treated with caution and despise.
• Adult's betrayals.
• Manipulated. (The elders of the leaf was the cause of his clan's eradication. Orochimaru. Itachi himself.)
• Learnt that almost his entire clan's eyes were taken.
• A lonely kid.
• Sasuke, had to grow up too fast. He had to shoulder responsibilities that weren't meant for him.
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+ He loves animals.
@luminous_arcadian5527 really good analysis bro ! But I don’t remember a episode where he tried to off himself ?
I never hated Sasuke it was just the shinobi world that forced his brother to change his world around him that made him become a terrorist
Haven’t watched enough of it but doesn’t danzo Tell itachi to kill his clan
Bro besides all the retcons and bs, naruto grow up with a hatred not in his heart but around him. This is why I hate sasuke not because he is edgy or smth. He is just spoiled edgy kid with doujutsu. I mean you're an idol for everyone around you, girls are dying for you, you have doujutsu i don't give a f about your life, naruto hated and scared by community, kurama hated him, he didn't get the love as sasuke as he born as orphan, his love interest was interested in edgy op guy. Bro pushed himself to become opposite of what people believed him to be. He beat kurama which is close to pure hatred with love and you say op guy gone through. Its like my rich father doesn't give me enough attention because he is working for my future vs I have no father bro.
Say this again after having watched your entire clan die at the hands of your older brother and then being forced to watch it over 500k times. Then argue.
@@idkmyname5565 Bro idc about my clan or smth like you may have trauma of your big bros kill streak but you had people who can help you to cope with your problems like sakura and ino was dying for you and other guys can't hurt you or can be friend of you every teacher likes you. On the other hand literally pushed by love interest no friends desperate for attention and love no father or mother you didn't taste any of this shit, your clan doesn't really exist like how many uzumakis or namikazes you see. Lastly you have freakin doujutsu bro, what naruto has ? literally pure hatred locked in him along side hate of leaf village. Cmon bro people think about random person bullying them and imagine getting bullied by whole village.
@@Orcun_K Ah yes because if your entire family was killed in front of you, you wouldn’t care :) SHOCKER. All those girls who wanted him really did not give a damn about his feelings. All of them weren’t fighting over who was going to be there for Sasuke when he went through hard times, they were fucking fighting over who could call him ‘mine’. They didn’t even try to help in the slightest, sure he was idolised but do you think he didn’t feel even an ounce of guilt when that happened - do you think he never felt that someone who couldn’t save their family wasn’t fit to be idolised? Because it’s cannon that Sasuke feels regret for not doing anything and was confirmed when Orochimaru first gave him the cursed mark. Then you bring up the argument about Naruto. So like did you skip over the entirety of Shippuden or smth? Coz Naruto had friends, real friends: Shikamaru and Choji and to some extent even Ino. We see multiple flashbacks of them playing and talking to each other. Yes, being hated and bullied is hard, but does it come close to being mind tortured by your own brother and living in guilt for not being able to prevent the said brother from killing every single person in your family in front of your eyes for over 500,000 times. And when you state smth like ‘At LeAsT hE wAsN’t PiCkEd On By ThE vIlLaGe’ need I remind you that Konoha actively despised the Uchiha, and while they didn’t hate on him directly its no secret they gossiped about him a lot which we literally see from Naruto’s POV. Then you say that Naruto had no mother or father, and that’s EXACTLY why he didn’t suffer. He felt no grief with them being dead because he never knew them. He didn’t know the warmth of the world whereas Sasuke did, and then had it stripped away from him in the cruellest way possible. You say how many Uzumakis or Namikazes I’ve seen? Well, I can’t say I’ve seen a lot, but I CAN say there are SOME. Karin, Nagato, and while he’s dead Karin is very much alive and there are undeniably more Uzumakis out there. Sasuke on the other hand LITERALLY has no other Uchihas but himself as now Itachi, Obito and Madara are dead. If Naruto was pushed by his love interest then what was Sasuke? My guy probably never even loved Sakura but decided to fuck with it because he needed to make it up for her. Like at least Naruto showed some care for Hinata and it didn't literally seem he was guilt ridden into doing it. Then you tell me to imagine getting bullied - but there’s the thing, I can imagine it. This is stuff that happens in the real world, however I believe it's probably extremely hard to find somone who witnessed their brother kiII their entire family when they were 7. Naruto had all the jinchurikis to understand his pain, he had Gaara right by his side who went through mostly the exact same things he did however he chose to discard that and run after the one who literally wanted to kill him, and not without reason either. Itachi literally groomed and manipulated him into thinking that the only way to get power was to kill his closest friend. And even after that he still chose not to kill him during the first fight, when he could’ve easily since Naruto was literally lying unconscious right in front of him, but he chose not to. The only time he actually does something against Konoha is after Itachi’s truth which even THEN is justified. Imagine living up to something for half your life, finally achieving something and then some stranger pops up and tells you that the one who subjected you to trauma you’d never forget did it to protect you and it’s all because of the Shinobi’s shitty system. You’d be trolling if you said that Danzo’s death was not one of the most deserved shits ever. Then others say ‘Oh but Itachi did everything for the village, why did Sasuke try to destroy it?” well, because Sasuke is fucking SMART unlike Itachi who didn’t have blind faith in the stupid village that encourages the concept of children killing others and are literally ignoring the well being of anyone. Sasuke was the only one who saw the world for what it was - that being corrupt as hell. And I just want to mention for your saying that Sasuke is edgy and emo, he was manipulated and used by half the antagonists in the show at his lowest states of mentality. Sasuke acted on nothing but human nature and while you may deny it because I’m sure you will you’d have done mostly the exact same thing. Naruto is probably one of the most unrealistic characters in the world and then people say that Naruto should’ve turned evil but when Sasuke who had equal amount of right to do it actually did you all start hating on him and that’s because you only focus on stuff from the MC’s POV and assume he must have it the worst because this is all his feelings and stuff however if you break out of Kishimoto’s genjutsu and look at other characters who have clearly suffered worse, Sasuke being one of them, you begin realising how right he was and how blind Naruto and Itachi’s faith in Konoha was. And if you bring up him trying to kiII Sakrua Imma lose it because she tried to kiII him first. Every one he has kiIIed always attacked him first and he even restrained himself from kiIIing 10k shinobi and Orochimaru calling him naive for doing so.
Moral of the story: THINK before spouting nonsense
@@idkmyname5565 ok edgy sasuke fanboy just grow up