The phrase you're looking for is "Frequency Response". FM Transmission is limited to about 50Hz up to 15,000Hz. So even on a good system you'll likely be losing some of the really low and really high end information. "Dynamic range" in audio would be loud vs quiet sounds.
00:00 🎵 Phoenix Pro is an inexpensive in-ear monitor system. 01:15 🎤 Phoenix Pro UHF Wireless system costs $355.99 and includes 4 body packs. 03:36 🛠 Unboxing includes transmitter, antennas, manual, rack mount kit, cables, in-ears, and batteries. 06:40 🎚️ Transmitter setup involves selecting group and channel; packs auto-pair. 10:33 🎶 Audio quality rates around 5/10, usable but not high-end. 13:10 📡 Range test shows system works well over distance and through walls. 16:03 🏢 Setting up in youth auditorium alongside other systems. 18:34 🎶 Initial setup for in-ear mix, planning to expand to three mixes.
Thanks you for the comparison with music. It is definitely night and day between the sound of the iem and the original sound. It is not as full and bassful...? as the original. May god bless you guys.
There is possibly a way you could make it have 4 mono mixes for 4 seperate people. You would need to send 4 seperate mixes from your mixer to the 4 inputs on the transmitter. That is A Left/Right and B Left/Right Then on each body pack you need to plug in a TRS to dual mono TS breakout cable that has a jack on one end and two plugs on the other end(often coloured red and white(sometimes black)) Then on your headphones you would need to attach a 3.5mm stereo plug to mono jack (this is needed to get the mono signal into both ears) You then plug in the headphones into either the white side or the red side on the aforementioned breakout cable and you have some one else plug it into the OPPOSITE side on a DIFFERENT PACK that is receiving the SAME FREQUENCY from the transmitter. That is the two packs receiving from channel A, or the two packs receiving from channel B I do this above method in another setup turning 2 stereo headphone outs into 4 mono IEM mixes for my band
You’re right but this was just a general audio quality test. Running mono or stereo doesn’t change the fact that it has a hissing sound no matter what’s plugged in. If I test another unit in the future I’ll be sure to go stereo in.
The previous model (the PTM-10) had both mono and stereo capability, this one is only mono. For some reason they decided to change that and go with mono, with the new products they're developing I hope we get stereo again. They might release a four mix IEM system, if you'd like, join the Facebook group to stay up to date.
should I go with bsinger pro or pro+ as they both have dual high definition drivers I am wondering if its a better overall decision over shure or sennheiser
Product page says you can do 4 separate mixes. He also says two stereo mixes in the video so it's probably a can either do two stereo mixes or 4 mono mixes.
There is possibly a way you could do it. You would need to send 4 seperate mixes from your mixer to the 4 inputs on the transmitter. That is A Left/Right and B Left/Right Then on each body pack you need to plug in a TRS to dual mono TS breakoutcable that has a jack on one end and two plugs on the other end(often coloured red and white(sometimes black)) Then on your headphones you would to attach a 3.5mm stereo plug to mono jack (this is needed to get the mono signal into both ears) You then plug in the headphones into either the white side or the red side on the aforementioned breakout cable and you some one else would plug it into the OPPOSITE side on a DIFFERENT PACK that is receiving the same frequency from the transmitter. That is the two packs receiving from either channel A, or the two packs receiving from channel B I do this above method in another setup turning 2 stereo headphone outs into 4 mono IEM mixes for my band
i just have a question, is it possible to add another receiver to it? add to same channel or mix.? we are using this unit and im thinking to add 2 more receivers to it. is it possible?
Theoretically yes. But normally with these cheaper systems the less things you have asking for signal the better. You would still be locked too 4 mono mixes or 2 stereo mixes though.
I have the single-unit version of this same and I use it for my prison ministry and leading worship. I patch my keyboard and mic into the inputs then loop them out to the system. It's not PERFECT, but it does well enough for my purposes.
@@WorshipLeaderHangout I ask Because the competition unit by xtuga has two inputs per channel and It is definately NOT stereo. I ran youtube test video through them to make sure and NOPE!! NO left right separation panning. And with that system in order to send 4 INDEPENDENT mixes from my Zoom L20 to a body pack I would need two units. Can you send 4 independent mixes to each body pack?
I haven’t tried the xvive. I would go with the one that is stereo. If neither are then I would assume they are similar in performance but that’s just an assumption at this point. Otherwise go with a unit that delivers the audio in stereo even if you have to pay a little more. It will be worth it.
On other reviews they say that the receiver only output monochannel. For somereasons one can input stereo into the transmitter put the system can't send stereo.
This sounds like a way to throw away $355! Small Churches never gave people that understand how to use IEM let alone take care of the system. The hiss you here is where they cheap it up along with the plastic body packs. There is a reason why it is cheap!
Yeah. I have to say that I used this exact unit we reviewed at a youth camp this summer and it sounded really good with no hiss like I was hearing during the review 🤔 but overall you get what you pay for. Thanks for watching.
@@WorshipLeaderHangout Please understand that It's been my experience that when you buy inexpensive gear like this you usually after a while wind up wishing you had spent the extra dough for the time tested name brands. That said I think there is a place in the market for a system that can perform like the name brand at say half the cost! A place where you can get quality materials and performance and still be able to afford the system.
@@allmight4219 I agree! and to put it to the test, I bought the PTM 33... I don't recommend it. The bandwidth is too small to fit 4 separate mixes. 2 of the body packs would drop constantly from only a few feet away from the rack no matter what group or channel I used. And it did this on both a 500 Mhz and 900 Mhz Unit. I also bought the PAS 225X Antenna combiner/ booster. That unit work as advertised and is doing so for now, I have only had in operation for 2 weeks. If Anyone is interested I wound up buying a MIPRO MI 58 IEM system! so far so good at a little more than half the price of a Sennheiser or Shure unit I think it's a better unit and sits in the place that is above the Phenyx Pro but under the Shure and Sennheiser.
Our church has this exact system. They only problem is that the receivers cut out several times every service. It's usually only a half second or sometimes a full second. It is workable, but disappointing
The phrase you're looking for is "Frequency Response". FM Transmission is limited to about 50Hz up to 15,000Hz. So even on a good system you'll likely be losing some of the really low and really high end information.
"Dynamic range" in audio would be loud vs quiet sounds.
Perfect. Thank you
Or “fidelity”. Great video, thank you!
00:00 🎵 Phoenix Pro is an inexpensive in-ear monitor system.
01:15 🎤 Phoenix Pro UHF Wireless system costs $355.99 and includes 4 body packs.
03:36 🛠 Unboxing includes transmitter, antennas, manual, rack mount kit, cables, in-ears, and batteries.
06:40 🎚️ Transmitter setup involves selecting group and channel; packs auto-pair.
10:33 🎶 Audio quality rates around 5/10, usable but not high-end.
13:10 📡 Range test shows system works well over distance and through walls.
16:03 🏢 Setting up in youth auditorium alongside other systems.
18:34 🎶 Initial setup for in-ear mix, planning to expand to three mixes.
Thanks you for the comparison with music. It is definitely night and day between the sound of the iem and the original sound. It is not as full and bassful...? as the original. May god bless you guys.
Thanks for this video. I just want to know what connections you are running from the mixer into the transmitter. Thank you.
There is possibly a way you could make it have 4 mono mixes for 4 seperate people.
You would need to send 4 seperate mixes from your mixer to the 4 inputs on the transmitter. That is A Left/Right and B Left/Right
Then on each body pack you need to plug in a TRS to dual mono TS breakout cable that has a jack on one end and two plugs on the other end(often coloured red and white(sometimes black))
Then on your headphones you would need to attach a 3.5mm stereo plug to mono jack (this is needed to get the mono signal into both ears)
You then plug in the headphones into either the white side or the red side on the aforementioned breakout cable and you have some one else plug it into the OPPOSITE side on a DIFFERENT PACK that is receiving the SAME FREQUENCY from the transmitter. That is the two packs receiving from channel A, or the two packs receiving from channel B
I do this above method in another setup turning 2 stereo headphone outs into 4 mono IEM mixes for my band
You are a genius! I’m trying this
@@alejandrosorensen655 did it work?
Thank u man!
@@wido.daniel did it work?
I thought that was only with the PTM-33?
The audio sounds decent, but you also were playing mono through the unit when the song is stereo. I’ll update if this gets changed later in the video.
You’re right but this was just a general audio quality test. Running mono or stereo doesn’t change the fact that it has a hissing sound no matter what’s plugged in. If I test another unit in the future I’ll be sure to go stereo in.
The previous model (the PTM-10) had both mono and stereo capability, this one is only mono. For some reason they decided to change that and go with mono, with the new products they're developing I hope we get stereo again. They might release a four mix IEM system, if you'd like, join the Facebook group to stay up to date.
That’s an antenna extension coax. Not a sdi cable. It’s most likely 50 ohms.
I’m getting hissing out of my system is this normal if not how do I get rid of hissing all my levels are good thanks
should I go with bsinger pro or pro+ as they both have dual high definition drivers I am wondering if its a better overall decision over shure or sennheiser
Question is can you have your own mixes on each pack
No! This can only have 1 mix
Yes you can. Run your aux, run your mix to input 1 and others to inputs 2-4
Product page says you can do 4 separate mixes. He also says two stereo mixes in the video so it's probably a can either do two stereo mixes or 4 mono mixes.
is it possible to run 4 different mixes on each body pack?
There is possibly a way you could do it.
You would need to send 4 seperate mixes from your mixer to the 4 inputs on the transmitter. That is A Left/Right and B Left/Right
Then on each body pack you need to plug in a TRS to dual mono TS breakoutcable that has a jack on one end and two plugs on the other end(often coloured red and white(sometimes black))
Then on your headphones you would to attach a 3.5mm stereo plug to mono jack (this is needed to get the mono signal into both ears)
You then plug in the headphones into either the white side or the red side on the aforementioned breakout cable and you some one else would plug it into the OPPOSITE side on a DIFFERENT PACK that is receiving the same frequency from the transmitter. That is the two packs receiving from either channel A, or the two packs receiving from channel B
I do this above method in another setup turning 2 stereo headphone outs into 4 mono IEM mixes for my band
No. It says on the box is a 2 changel set. There us another model that has 4 individual channels but cost like 200 mire or something
You can do 4 mono mixes. Or two stereo mixes.
For the distance test. A real test needs to be an auditorium full of people with cellphones and devices, which causes interference.
Do you know if the Phenyx Pro PTM-22 work with PAS-225x (400Mhz-950Mhz
How to price
i just have a question,
is it possible to add another receiver to it? add to same channel or mix.?
we are using this unit and im thinking to add 2 more receivers to it. is it possible?
Yes
Theoretically yes. But normally with these cheaper systems the less things you have asking for signal the better. You would still be locked too 4 mono mixes or 2 stereo mixes though.
I have the single-unit version of this same and I use it for my prison ministry and leading worship. I patch my keyboard and mic into the inputs then loop them out to the system. It's not PERFECT, but it does well enough for my purposes.
is it true stereo?
Yes we are still running them stereo in our youth auditorium. They seem to have no issues with it
@@WorshipLeaderHangout I ask Because the competition unit by xtuga has two inputs per channel and It is definately NOT stereo. I ran youtube test video through them to make sure and NOPE!! NO left right separation panning. And with that system in order to send 4 INDEPENDENT mixes from my Zoom L20 to a body pack I would need two units. Can you send 4 independent mixes to each body pack?
The PTM-11 series (PTM-11, 22, 33) are mono units. Meanwhile, the PTM-10's are true stereo.
what iem. system would recommend
How u compare this PTM 33 vs Xvive U4R4 ? I am new on this I am trying to buy some for a Church ? Thanks in advance.
I haven’t tried the xvive. I would go with the one that is stereo. If neither are then I would assume they are similar in performance but that’s just an assumption at this point. Otherwise go with a unit that delivers the audio in stereo even if you have to pay a little more. It will be worth it.
Is it stereo? Or just mono?
Stereo as well
On other reviews they say that the receiver only output monochannel. For somereasons one can input stereo into the transmitter put the system can't send stereo.
This sounds like a way to throw away $355! Small Churches never gave people that understand how to use IEM let alone take care of the system. The hiss you here is where they cheap it up along with the plastic body packs. There is a reason why it is cheap!
Yeah. I have to say that I used this exact unit we reviewed at a youth camp this summer and it sounded really good with no hiss like I was hearing during the review 🤔 but overall you get what you pay for. Thanks for watching.
@@WorshipLeaderHangout Please understand that It's been my experience that when you buy inexpensive gear like this you usually after a while wind up wishing you had spent the extra dough for the time tested name brands. That said I think there is a place in the market for a system that can perform like the name brand at say half the cost! A place where you can get quality materials and performance and still be able to afford the system.
Not everyone is able to buy a branded iem , this is for entry/budget users
@@allmight4219 I agree! and to put it to the test, I bought the PTM 33... I don't recommend it. The bandwidth is too small to fit 4 separate mixes. 2 of the body packs would drop constantly from only a few feet away from the rack no matter what group or channel I used. And it did this on both a 500 Mhz and 900 Mhz Unit. I also bought the PAS 225X Antenna combiner/ booster. That unit work as advertised and is doing so for now, I have only had in operation for 2 weeks. If Anyone is interested I wound up buying a MIPRO MI 58 IEM system! so far so good at a little more than half the price of a Sennheiser or Shure unit I think it's a better unit and sits in the place that is above the Phenyx Pro but under the Shure and Sennheiser.
Our church has this exact system. They only problem is that the receivers cut out several times every service. It's usually only a half second or sometimes a full second. It is workable, but disappointing
It’s mono. That’s all I need to know. 100% out of the question.