Thanks for this Interview. The significance of the outcome of this crossroads time for Anglicanism is not lost. With More and more people are on the move globally .Through Migration into the western church backyard This issues with Purity and integrity of the church has significant impact on our reaching the World with the Gospel.
American Anglican here. Watching the CofE with great sadness and much prayer. Appreciate those who hold the standard for the Church in/of England and for the catholic Church.
I love the message of Jesus from Charlie Skrine. That was power in the name of Jesus of Nazareth. Amen Alleluia. Love in Christ from Jesus and Sylvia Nazareth.
I go to the Church of England every few months. I go to Rayners Lane Baptist Church on Saturday morning at 10am to 12 noon and Sunday 10.30am to 11.30am in the morning and then is Refreshment afterward. Amen Alleluia. Love in Christ from Jesus and Sylvia Nazareth.
My wife and I left a cultish church and our friends although on the same journey as us decided to stay and try and change things from within the church. It didn’t work, they spiritually suffered. My advice, when a church slides into hell is to leave immediately. Jesus said hell would not prevail against His church therefor the C of E is not Jesus’ church.
This sounds so much like what the United Methodist Church just went through here in the US. As I once told a Methodist minister, it is not possible to operate on two opposing moral systems at the same time.
God Bless You in England. Imagine. John R.W.Stott would be weeping. This sad situation happened in the little city of Stockton CA USA and their actual historic church building was taken away from them. They meet in rented former offices now. BUT JESUS IS THERE!
“ God is destroying the Church of England” - strong words. “Diverse voices within the church, yet they must stick together” - is that a compromise on the One Biblical Truth? I sense a conflict between the English national character : open- mindedness and tolerance of other opinions ( values that are democratic and wholesome in the social environment) which can not co- exist with Biblical instructions telling us to stand apart from the pagan practices ( idolatries) of the world around us. Light cannot mix with darkness. 2 Corinthians 6:14. And sadly many bishops are calling darkness ‘light’ and light as ‘darkness’. Isaiah 5:20. That is our sad reality. We/ I need repentance, fasting and prayer. God save the British Nation, as I can see tribulations ahead as a result of the current apostasy.
Yes, that's the key question - does the establishment want any traditionalists around in 20 years? And if yes, then what will the look like. However, Charlie makes a miscalculation if he thinks the predominance of younger people will stick around. Church generational transitions don't work like that. Great episode, Dominic.
Remarkable that in many aspects Charlie Skrine has his head in the sand - how can you have respect for a bishop who is clearly a false teacher as defined in the NT, see the letter of Jude about what he tells what to do about false teachers, first you have to call out false teachers for what they are. Skrine even mentions Revelation 2, tolerance is the issue and the use of unclear language by our evangelical leaders over how they would describe false teachers is causing confusion for lay people, the way he talks sounds like he would tolerate false teachers in CoE as long as it stays together, what are lay people supposed to think? Even looking at how Skrine talked about Rico Tice article in the article mentioned, he tries to downplay it by saying the Rico Tice is still an ordained CoE minister, when the article quoting Rico Tice is quite clear that he has made a decision to attend and serve a presbyterian church. The strategy he describes hasn't worked for the past 50 years, Stott has tried and failed, trying the same strategy is just foolish. Waiting for the false teachers to "move in the right direction" is laughable. Head in the sand and not being clear by saying things as they really are.
Absolutely, the problem here has much to do with a sinful unwillingness to be impolite. And it is not an 'English' problem as he suggests, it is a south of England London and the Shires problem. With Northerners you may not agree but you know were you stand with each other. It is one thing to be gracious, quite another to be so polite that the message is lost and two diametrically opposed people can walk away from a conversation thinking everything will be rosy in a year or so.
Jude 3-4 (ESV): 3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
@@chunskwokexactly. And one issue that is not addressed is the predicament of an unbeliever, genuinely seeking guidance but confronted with the conflicting views, doesn’t know who to believe so they begin to treat churches like supermarkets. They patronise the one that suits them even if it’s erroneous. The truth becomes a side issue for them. Alternative they see no consensus and decide it mustn’t matter. Just believe what you like. What an unholy mess.
@@paulcharlwood702 he’s pathetic. 1 Samuel 15:24 - And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
The average CofE has 33 members and 1 child in a generation it will be gone regardless of the doctrine, but If the Bishops have there way and change doctrine the CofE will collapse like a house of cards.
Which is exactly what they want. This isn't about theology, it's about politics. The Marxists see Christianity as the greatest obstacle to creating their "utopian" society. Therefore, they need to destroy it. They've been infiltrating the church for a century.
Surely, the issue (adherence to the revealed will of God versus adoption of prevailing cultural norms) comes down to the heart of each person involved. I think the struggle here is mainly about the Anglican brand and who can use it and for what purpose. This may seem an important matter for those who love the brand, its institutions and its history. But for those whose first love is love for Jesus as He is revealed in scripture, brands will have a lesser significance. Such people may also understand that the loyalty to Christ of brands and their institutions will be tested. Christ said as much. Those who love Jesus will walk away from corrupted brands and shake the dust of compromise from their feet. Their confidence will be in God himself, not in people and human institutions.
If the early Christians had succumbed to the pressures of the Roman Empire to conform to its ways, there would be no Church today for the present Bishops and Archbishops to preside over!
I am a bit frustrtaed with it all. Ultimately it's very unlikely that the COE will provide any structural or legal differentiation for evangelicals, so this is going to bang on for decades without a satisfactory resolution. Why not just accept that and leave now?
I left, the cofE is Apostate, and Hebrews is clear that Apostasy is Irreversible, come out from her so you will not be included in her curse! Come out from amongst them and be seperate, Obey God's word in the Bible! I now Consider myself FCE, now just need to save up so I can move to morecambe...
CofEhas always been wishing-washy. Either you follow Christ and his teachings or you don’t. Welby is a sell out. Bishop of London is false teacher. Grow a spine and be a leader. Calvin Robinson is a leader. Learn from him or step down!
1 Samuel 15:24 - And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice. An interesting and important interview spoiled by Charlie’s very poor quality of speaking, frequently descending into a low rumble. But the crux of the matter, surely is: 1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” The predicament that the”church” of England is in is that they are trying to substitute Gods will and word for their own sexual preferences. Even a man who is made by God in such a way that he can reproduce with a female, also made by God, is prohibited from pleasing himself by committing adultery or fornication. So the God ordained, God intentioned natural functions are subject to Gods word and will. How much more then the “unnatural use of their bodies,” defined in Romans 1 and Leviticus? After listening to this, I was confused as to what Charlie really thinks. He waffles about the alternatives without making any very clear, unequivocal statement. He seems to be either confused or he is trying to be a compromiser. The three groups really are irreconcilable. We need men not mascots Major opponents of biblical authority, ( LGBT, Cultural Marxism, anti Christian religions, wokeism and general atheism), need crystal clear, committed polemics, not vague, cosy apologetic compromisers trying to please everyone but thereby, failing all of them. The confused “church” is confusing the masses who don’t know who or what to believe, so the decide to believe none and no one.
If God destroyed Sodom and Gomorra for the same sin as some vicars are keen to endorse, (and force their parishioners to accept) then God will also destroy them and their false teachings…to preserve the C of E …they need to either, give up this sinful practice and ask God to assist them to do so, or leave, and form their own indulgent ‘church.’ Why are Welby and his Bishops so intent on being disobedient to Gods clearly written word? Do they know best? This is not a minor sin in Gods eyes…it is a major satanic stumbling block. By endorsing this practice, Welby is in fact telling those who indulge that God will turn a blind eye to it…whilst knowing He will not. How is this helping them? Welby should refer them to Gods word on this and it should then be their decision to accept Gods word and change or reject Gods advice and leave His church. It is not for us to judge them or indulge them. It is for us to inform them. And more certainly to the point…it is NOT for them to change Gods precepts or His church. Leave the C of E if you cannot accept you must change.
What a load of old waffle. Skrine is as bad as Welby in saying one thing and doing another. He remains the typical Anglican church leader who, with a friendly cup in hand, is at pains for us to respect his impressive list of influential friends and deeds and his admiration for his (heretical) bishop, that by simply admitting there is division within the CofE we can trust people like him because he is here to stay - and jokes 'if the General Synod will have him'. Talk about self-righteousness.
Utter Drivel. Martyn Lloyd Jones and John Stott were both cowards in the Second World War. Victory over evil came not from their faith but from men willing to die and fight. This conversation is typical of evangelicals talk, talk, talk.
Jesus said, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." The fact that a denomination is dying says nothing about the true church. Jesus also said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Why would we flee from truth and the only means of salvation?
I was so encouraged by this conversation. God is working. Truth will win.
Thanks for this Interview. The significance of the outcome of this crossroads time for Anglicanism is not lost. With More and more people are on the move globally .Through Migration into the western church backyard This issues with Purity and integrity of the church has significant impact on our reaching the World with the Gospel.
American Anglican here. Watching the CofE with great sadness and much prayer. Appreciate those who hold the standard for the Church in/of England and for the catholic Church.
Thanks Dom. This issue is sitting on some of our hearts a lot lately.
Been reading MIcah recently and feeling its relevance to the situation. May God continue preserve his faithful remnants for His glory.
I have left the C of E and now attend a Free Evangelical Church. ✝️
The Apostles were ‘a tiny minority’, but through the Holy Spirit they changed the world.
I love the message of Jesus from Charlie Skrine. That was power in the name of Jesus of Nazareth. Amen Alleluia. Love in Christ from Jesus and Sylvia Nazareth.
I go to the Church of England every few months. I go to Rayners Lane Baptist Church on Saturday morning at 10am to 12 noon and Sunday 10.30am to 11.30am in the morning and then is Refreshment afterward. Amen Alleluia. Love in Christ from Jesus and Sylvia Nazareth.
The thing that matters the most is that you please God rather than men!
My wife and I left a cultish church and our friends although on the same journey as us decided to stay and try and change things from within the church. It didn’t work, they spiritually suffered. My advice, when a church slides into hell is to leave immediately. Jesus said hell would not prevail against His church therefor the C of E is not Jesus’ church.
Please do not ever leave the Bible. I am praying for you to hold fast the Faith.
I left the C of E and now attend a Free Evangelical Church
This sounds so much like what the United Methodist Church just went through here in the US. As I once told a Methodist minister, it is not possible to operate on two opposing moral systems at the same time.
Yeah, especially when your brain is stuck in binary form...
God Bless You in England. Imagine. John R.W.Stott would be weeping. This sad situation happened in the little city of Stockton CA USA and their actual historic church building was taken away from them. They meet in rented former offices now. BUT JESUS IS THERE!
“ God is destroying the Church of England” - strong words.
“Diverse voices within the church, yet they must stick together” - is that a compromise on the One Biblical Truth?
I sense a conflict between the English national character : open- mindedness and tolerance of other opinions ( values that are democratic and wholesome in the social environment) which can not co- exist with Biblical instructions telling us to stand apart from the pagan practices ( idolatries) of the world around us. Light cannot mix with darkness. 2 Corinthians 6:14. And sadly many bishops are calling darkness ‘light’ and light as ‘darkness’. Isaiah 5:20. That is our sad reality. We/ I need repentance, fasting and prayer. God save the British Nation, as I can see tribulations ahead as a result of the current apostasy.
You may be compelled by your own understanding but God says "Come out from among them" So that you do not share in His wrath.
Yes, that's the key question - does the establishment want any traditionalists around in 20 years? And if yes, then what will the look like. However, Charlie makes a miscalculation if he thinks the predominance of younger people will stick around. Church generational transitions don't work like that. Great episode, Dominic.
Amen
So sad that the majority of the bishops seem to have no conception of what is happening in the Church they should be shepherding.
Remarkable that in many aspects Charlie Skrine has his head in the sand - how can you have respect for a bishop who is clearly a false teacher as defined in the NT, see the letter of Jude about what he tells what to do about false teachers, first you have to call out false teachers for what they are. Skrine even mentions Revelation 2, tolerance is the issue and the use of unclear language by our evangelical leaders over how they would describe false teachers is causing confusion for lay people, the way he talks sounds like he would tolerate false teachers in CoE as long as it stays together, what are lay people supposed to think? Even looking at how Skrine talked about Rico Tice article in the article mentioned, he tries to downplay it by saying the Rico Tice is still an ordained CoE minister, when the article quoting Rico Tice is quite clear that he has made a decision to attend and serve a presbyterian church. The strategy he describes hasn't worked for the past 50 years, Stott has tried and failed, trying the same strategy is just foolish. Waiting for the false teachers to "move in the right direction" is laughable. Head in the sand and not being clear by saying things as they really are.
Absolutely, the problem here has much to do with a sinful unwillingness to be impolite. And it is not an 'English' problem as he suggests, it is a south of England London and the Shires problem. With Northerners you may not agree but you know were you stand with each other. It is one thing to be gracious, quite another to be so polite that the message is lost and two diametrically opposed people can walk away from a conversation thinking everything will be rosy in a year or so.
Jude 3-4 (ESV): 3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
@@chunskwokexactly. And one issue that is not addressed is the predicament of an unbeliever, genuinely seeking guidance but confronted with the conflicting views, doesn’t know who to believe so they begin to treat churches like supermarkets. They patronise the one that suits them even if it’s erroneous. The truth becomes a side issue for them. Alternative they see no consensus and decide it mustn’t matter. Just believe what you like. What an unholy mess.
@@paulcharlwood702 he’s pathetic.
1 Samuel 15:24 - And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
No sign of the Holy Spirit active within him. No clear leadership.
Self-righteousness.
Arrogant
The average CofE has 33 members and 1 child in a generation it will be gone regardless of the doctrine, but If the Bishops have there way and change doctrine the CofE will collapse like a house of cards.
Which is exactly what they want. This isn't about theology, it's about politics. The Marxists see Christianity as the greatest obstacle to creating their "utopian" society. Therefore, they need to destroy it. They've been infiltrating the church for a century.
Yep, people vote with their wallet before they vote with their feet. If giving is falling, that's a big indication that people are not happy.
Surely, the issue (adherence to the revealed will of God versus adoption of prevailing cultural norms) comes down to the heart of each person involved.
I think the struggle here is mainly about the Anglican brand and who can use it and for what purpose.
This may seem an important matter for those who love the brand, its institutions and its history.
But for those whose first love is love for Jesus as He is revealed in scripture, brands will have a lesser significance. Such people may also understand that the loyalty to Christ of brands and their institutions will be tested. Christ said as much.
Those who love Jesus will walk away from corrupted brands and shake the dust of compromise from their feet.
Their confidence will be in God himself, not in people and human institutions.
It is madness for the church to embrace the demonic oppressed without deliverance!
It is not acceptable to ignore the Bible, because some people do not agree with it.
That’s the whole issue.
Charlie Skrine says he has a lot of respect for the Bishop of London. Well, in that case, he is part of the apostasy and should be ignored.
If the early Christians had succumbed to the pressures of the Roman Empire to conform to its ways, there would be no Church today for the present Bishops and Archbishops to preside over!
I am a bit frustrtaed with it all. Ultimately it's very unlikely that the COE will provide any structural or legal differentiation for evangelicals, so this is going to bang on for decades without a satisfactory resolution. Why not just accept that and leave now?
I left, the cofE is Apostate, and Hebrews is clear that Apostasy is Irreversible, come out from her so you will not be included in her curse! Come out from amongst them and be seperate, Obey God's word in the Bible!
I now Consider myself FCE, now just need to save up so I can move to morecambe...
History has proven that Martyn Lloyd Jones was right.
"Rico Tice becomes Presbyterian" - yep, that's the way to go.
I thought this interview was satire initially. Amazingly warm about the false teacher the Bishop of London. Very worrying for All Souls.
There's a way out of this guys. It's called Catholicism😉
CofEhas always been wishing-washy. Either you follow Christ and his teachings or you don’t. Welby is a sell out. Bishop of London is false teacher. Grow a spine and be a leader. Calvin Robinson is a leader. Learn from him or step down!
1 Samuel 15:24 - And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
An interesting and important interview spoiled by Charlie’s very poor quality of speaking, frequently descending into a low rumble.
But the crux of the matter, surely is: 1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” The predicament that the”church” of England is in is that they are trying to substitute Gods will and word for their own sexual preferences.
Even a man who is made by God in such a way that he can reproduce with a female, also made by God, is prohibited from pleasing himself by committing adultery or fornication. So the God ordained, God intentioned natural functions are subject to Gods word and will. How much more then the “unnatural use of their bodies,” defined in Romans 1 and Leviticus?
After listening to this, I was confused as to what Charlie really thinks. He waffles about the alternatives without making any very clear, unequivocal statement. He seems to be either confused or he is trying to be a compromiser. The three groups really are irreconcilable. We need men not mascots
Major opponents of biblical authority, ( LGBT, Cultural Marxism, anti Christian religions, wokeism and general atheism), need crystal clear, committed polemics, not vague, cosy apologetic compromisers trying to please everyone but thereby, failing all of them.
The confused “church” is confusing the masses who don’t know who or what to believe, so the decide to believe none and no one.
This Church of England should go back to Catholics, no church can be started by king Henry,
If God destroyed Sodom and Gomorra for the same sin as some vicars are keen to endorse, (and force their parishioners to accept) then God will also destroy them and their false teachings…to preserve the C of E …they need to either, give up this sinful practice and ask God to assist them to do so, or leave, and form their own indulgent ‘church.’ Why are Welby and his Bishops so intent on being disobedient to Gods clearly written word? Do they know best? This is not a minor sin in Gods eyes…it is a major satanic stumbling block. By endorsing this practice, Welby is in fact telling those who indulge that God will turn a blind eye to it…whilst knowing He will not. How is this helping them? Welby should refer them to Gods word on this and it should then be their decision to accept Gods word and change or reject Gods advice and leave His church. It is not for us to judge them or indulge them. It is for us to inform them. And more certainly to the point…it is NOT for them to change Gods precepts or His church. Leave the C of E if you cannot accept you must change.
What a load of old waffle. Skrine is as bad as Welby in saying one thing and doing another. He remains the typical Anglican church leader who, with a friendly cup in hand, is at pains for us to respect his impressive list of influential friends and deeds and his admiration for his (heretical) bishop, that by simply admitting there is division within the CofE we can trust people like him because he is here to stay - and jokes 'if the General Synod will have him'. Talk about self-righteousness.
Utter Drivel. Martyn Lloyd Jones and John Stott were both cowards in the Second World War. Victory over evil came not from their faith but from men willing to die and fight. This conversation is typical of evangelicals talk, talk, talk.
The disagreement between them had nothing to do with the Second World War!
It's time to come home to Rome
Not the solution, I am afraid!
It would be like choosing between pest or cholera.
The Kingdom of Heaven is HOME...
A sinking ship. Swim, swim to Islam.
No one comes to God except through Christ.
Jesus said, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." The fact that a denomination is dying says nothing about the true church. Jesus also said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Why would we flee from truth and the only means of salvation?
@@tomy8339 Yes, note how He doesn't say, 'only Christians go to Heaven', though...
@@El_Paracleto I'm not sure what you're implying.
At the name of Jesus every knee shall bow. Philippians 2 v 10