Imagine having a family member killed by mistake in an airstrike and here along come people responsible for the killing and they offer you a bland "sorry" and two goats. Honestly, who wouldn't hold a grudge?
imagine you are not American, hear this country lecture the result of the world 24/7 about selective 'human rights', ukraine this, syrias that, regime change, extraterritoriality of their law, sanctions and more. Russia bad they say, it's not like they didn't completely leveled iraq which even years after the end of the conflict, is still in a much worse condition than it was before. Not to mention they did the same shit Russia is tryinng to do in Ukraine in Kosovo, and now we have a mafia state in Europe. But hey, the greatest country of the world needed an air force base over there. Anti-americanism is not just legit, it's a duty.
@@apsoloman46 Right? 14 people killed just in that village, which are mostly his family members. Most unsympathetic horrible people ever. They have 0 empathy in their hearts. Even for the purpose of their little "counter insurgency" they couldn't even force an ounce of empathy. What a bunch of losers
Imagine being 21 years old, it’s your 1st tour in Afghanistan, you joined up to fight terrorists and protect America, and one morning they tell you to take a stack of money to a father whose 5 year old daughter was just killed by American soldiers the night before and tell him you’re sorry. I would have thrown up.
Many seeds of distrust were sewn in American troops due to what they were told they were fighting for vs the reality on the ground. Once there, what can you do? Just try to survive.
@@olamidebamiro4863 I understand the horror of realizing that you might have had a role in horrible act, but it's my understanding that PTSD has more to do with terror and a feeling of powerlessness.
NO MATTER WHAT!! Absolutely nobody can cover anything the way FRONTLINE does. Period. Since I was a kid, the opening music has always gave me goosebumps. They can cover a Mormon wedding and make it look intriguingly interesting 🤔
How the Military in it’s infinite wisdom could believe you could kick someone out of their home and conduct operations out of it and not gain enemies is beyond me.
@@Ry-gb4cdregardless of how you classify the conflicts, the ways they were fought were similar & the parallels & lessons learned almost identical. The tactics used by adversaries in both conflicts were guerrilla tactics: • combatants blend in with the civilian population • hit & runs • ambushes • support & intelligence supplied by local population • underlying resentment for the invaders, nationalistic feelings stirred up • weapons supplies & sanctuaries across the border And the US responded to both conflicts by "going after the bad guys" with body counts, bombing the f**k out of any resistance, & by raiding homes & villages -- often the wrong ones -- adding to the resentment & distrust of the population in the process. Your reply brilliantly underscores my original point.
@@jacqdanieles Jesus Christ. Similar is not the same and I think you are forgetting that the NVA was an actual military. With infantry, armored vehicles, planes, helicopters, AA, you name it. Just because the Vietcong were a scummy bunch of fellas, doesn't mean that the whole war was basically the U.S vs Guerrillas.
This is an excellent recapitulation of the war. None of it however, is news. Our leaders and anyone else who was paying attention, have been aware of all of it for years.
Qatari monarchy - embedded with Muslim Brotherhood always supported Taliban in more than a million ways, as they support all Islamist movements/actors/parties/terror groups around the world.
@@jasha9sandhu The Muslim Brotherhood was represented in Afghanistan by Brahabuddin Rabanni, one of the Afghan resistance leaders against the Soviets. He and his faction joined the government installed by the Americans when they invaded. The Gulf Arabs generally supported a different Afghan resistance leader, Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, who also joined the Karzai government after the Americans invaded. Modi's government also supported the same government.
Yes. If this documentary had been about wars in Latin America, the teams sent out on these "kill/capture" missions would have been called death squads.
Im muslim 27 yr old I came to US when I was 5 in 2000, 1 yr later 9/11 and it really set the tone for my youth growing up here in NY of all places, and watching the events unfold in Iraq, Afghan, later Syria Lybia, it almost feels like I have shellshock from decades of watching war footage, since a child..
It's heartbreaking since there are millions of innocent people involved. The US was definitely at fault to try to overthrow local governments regardless they were dictators or not. T
@@god-son-love exactly im from North Africa & them removing Ghaddafi in Libya has DESTABILIZED most of north Africa, there was never jihadi groups there !! Now isis/ al qaeda entered due to power vacuum USA and Nato created
@@god-son-love we were at fault for 9/11 specifically by taking over a certain military base on Islamic holy land during either the Gulf war or the war between Afghanistan and Russia, I forget which exactly. This according to a Nightline interview with Bin Laden , himself
@@ttacking_you yes you are very close, it wasn’t the holy land Mecca 🕋 that had a base tho ,it was military bases in Saudi near mecca that set him off and helped him to radicalize the global islamic network of mujahideen he had from Soviet afghan war
@@ttacking_you Peak victim blaming. The US had an alliance with the Saudis, helped save Muslims from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, defended Kuwait from Iraq, defended Muslims in the Balkans… but Osama boy couldn’t stand (in his words) “infidel boots on holy land”. Deranged religious nonsense.
The mission in Afghanistan didn't fail because the mission was never about achieving real goals for Afghanistan. It was about keeping the war going for as long as possible while the defense industry profited. War can never stop when one of America's biggest and most powerful business groups can only ever profit from weapons being used. It's only a matter of time before another conflict begins because violence is what drives the profit motive.
Ukraine is already giving the industry a lot of money. Americans are being squeezed of it. And they deserve to be squeezed because that's what their support for war gets them.
You got it. Wars are manufactured. Check The Project for the New American Century. The mother of perpetual wars and endless transfer of money from solving the US problems to the MIC.
US is doing same in Ukraine, after that the pentagon should plan it within their borders and let the amerikan people watch it not on cnn but with their own eyes.😅
The hospital was just one example.. similar occurrence happened at wedding events around the country.. thousands of innocent people died and no one was held accountable..
As a Vietnam era US army vet, seeing the tragedy unfold there in real time, what sustained me was knowing that if we ever got out of this mess-a civil war on the other side of the world-we wouldn't make this mistake again. Alas.
@@olamidebamiro4863 this time you won’t inshallah we already told your prime minister if they did they will be deprived of their life’s and not even get graves in their own country
@@classifiedname222 Submit to Islam and be safe. Or agree to the payment of the Jizya (tax), and you and your people will be under our protection, else you will have only yourself to blame for the consequences, for I bring the men who desire death as ardently as you desire life. Khalid ibn al-Walid Khalid ibn al-Walid's letter to the Persian monarch Emperor Yazdegerd III, as quoted in John Clark Ridpath "History of the World, Volume IV (Book XII: The Mohammedan Ascendency, p. 463), 1910.
That just shows how disconnected the US Military was. You can't pay people for their families' lives. You wonder why they held grudges? That's part of it.
For real. Kuddos to you for your service and bravery. America should be answerable though for so many lives were lost, not just the American troops but an ocean of Afghan civilians and for what? They wanted to get rid of Taliban and the irony is that Taliban has now formed their own government there.
You can’t believe how it ended. I do believe how it ended. It ended the same way the war with England ended. Freedom for America. Freedom for Afghanistan.
Mfs imagine someone people entering your home late night and kill your family members, how would you feel and what would you do? Mfs everyone of you will go to hell for your atrocities done to innocent people and I'm not talking about the taliban...
It always ends the same way. The political class never learns. Counter insurgency has never and will never work. Once an insurgency breaks out its over. Pack up and leave.
When you look at US involvement in wars the past 30 years and the massive blood and treasure spent. Then look at the deterioration in US society. Drug addiction, obesity, crime, mass shootings , low education attainment .... It really makes you wonder about leadership and their goals.
It isn't just leadership that is problem. The nature and pace of change in the modern world is ravaging us in many ways. We accuse the Taliban of pushing Afghanistan back into the past, but you have to wonder whether they aren't on to something.
@@myahsoodinim8570 That makes no sense to me. The Taliban are onto something? They’re just a crime and warlord organization. Afghanistan was developing in the 1960s and early 1970s. It was pushed backwards by Russian invasion of 1979. It’s gone downhill ever since due to warlords and opium. The US situation going backwards is the rise in Leftism due to their takeover in education , “news” and entertainment .
Watch how the US leadership enabled massive moral and financial corruption of Afghan society by empowering their worst of the worse with lowest common denominator of money and being comfortable to keep a losing war going as long as possible so the money didn’t stop flowing and the branches of military had something to do to justify their budgets.....then realize that it is the same way they govern you
As Afghan boy one thing that I realized that we Afghan dont give importance to our nation because I remember those days that we were very happy in Kabul from 2011 to 2018 meanwhile our brothers and sisters were killed in us air strikes. We are very sorr.... And I am very happy that now we're living under regime of Taliban
Well done, Frontline! Needless to say, I was not at all disappointed with part two of this series. Once again, very well done. Things look different in the after than the do while it is happening. This part really got into what perspectives were when they were current and I thought this was a brilliant way to help paint the picture here. It helps us understand how the government and the military could make the miscalculations they did. It is fairly easy to spin things as they happen; possible to do this but harder to do with past events. I think the vast majority of our mistakes were truly unintended but they were mistakes just the same. Some damaged our reputation as a world power and leader, others led to death and injury. Both were a steep price and have implications for the future. In the future, we really have to have more courses of action available and have the ability to lay out potential consequences.
I wish there was a discussion available as to what the warning at the beginning was about. I want to understand the criteria of the poster and YT. Thanks for making it available. It is all so very sad.
@@Cognitoman That’s why no one will ever be held accountable because everyone from was complicit in the lies and deceit. So no one person will ever pay.
If you improve peoples’ lives they don’t care who is in charge. If you fail to improve peoples’ lives they will side with the people that look the most like them every time.
In WW1 there was a 10% civilian casualty rate, that rose to 30% in WW2. In Vietnam that increased to 70% and between Iraq and Afghanistan that rose to a incredible 90%. So much for "surgical strikes" and "precision guided munitions" and yet noone has been held accountable
Brilliant storytelling PBS. Noone being fired, jailed or court marshaled, whatever that means, for bombing a private hospital sounds very American indeed
Some plain-spoken honesty from Lt. Col. Dempsy and Lt. Gen. Lute (ret.). Watching this is a clear definition of a failed strategy, bad execution, a.k.a. SNAFU. No one does it better than Frontline at finding and revealing truth. Thank you, again, for this remarkable work.
All true, but don't get too self righteous in pointing the finger at our troops. Those sorts of failures are typical of all military efforts. We, the people, have to take a share in the blame for having sent our military out there in the first place. As Zayif, the Talib quoted in Part I said, when asked the civilians killed by the Taliban, and denying that that was the intention: "This is fighting." It's disingenuous to think otherwise.
Invading armies always lose in the end. They can (and want to) always go home at the end. The invaded cannot, and therefore have no choice but to fight forever. Imagine if any country ever tried to invade the US; the will to fight would be unstoppable.
Lol SNAFU. America can't be an evil empire unleashing violence for the sake of it's capitalist overlords lust for endless profits. Nope. It was just a mistake. A bloody expensive mistake. That just happened to make America's capitalist elite richer.
I think that the producers did try to be neutral, but they nevertheless took the standard American view of the war and reported it from that perspective. The Taliban come off as inhuman and incomprehensible. We come off as bumbling but well intentioned. Frontline doesn't even raise an eyebrow at the willful folly of launching an invasion "in self defense" to wreak vengeance on Bin Laden and his small band of Arabs. No mention is made of the Taliban's attempts to negotiate his surrender, or later, to offer their own surrender. Neutrality is hard to achieve, even when you mean to.
This is anecdotal, but from my own experience overseas, back in ‘08 we never had a problem fighting militants and insurgents. It was nation building that we failed miserably at. In Iraq the IA and IP were grossly incompetent and often corrupt. Their corruption was ignored by our top brass even though locals would complain to us about extortion and abuse by local IP. We should’ve never invaded Iraq, we should taken out Bin Laden at Tora Borra and bounced after we initially smashed the Taliban… hindsight is 20/20.
If u had to be shipped out there, 08 is probably the best time? Imagine if it was in Zarqawi’s reign of terror… and they wouldn’t even admit there was an insurgency for awhile, on top of everything 🤦🏻♀️
No, you should not have been warmongering and invading to make Osama retaliate against you guys in the first place. You still did not learn your lesson, arrogant and ignorant Americans. This is why America is being destroyed: because you are arrogant, which breeds ignorance, which leads to incompetence and therefore, failure.
You're so right. Soldiers fight. That's what they do. What's with this nonsense about Nation Building. General Petorius or whatever his name is , President Bush and Dick should be very ashamed of themselves and seek forgiveness from the Afghan people for the pain and hardships they have caused them before they die.
@@olamidebamiro4863 That’s what it looks like now. It was all just an experiment to them, they didn’t care for all the destruction they caused or the lives that were lost. So many people were reduced to poverty, hunger. This shows that General Patreus was blinded by his ego and power with no sense of accountability whatsoever
America invaded Afghanistan to find laden and ultimately found him in pakistan(not in Afghanistan)😂 And in this whole time pakistan helped Americans to find laden in Afghanistan, after long time Americans(the super power) learned that pakistan made fool out of them.
I've seen this movie before. It played out South Viet Nam in 1975. For all his brilliance, it amazed me that Petraeus got the whole thing wrong. My tour coincided with his ISAF Command. The entire time the message was that we can win this if we have a little more time. Now we now it was never going to happen. It also bothers me that former commanders like Petraeus plead Mea Culpa with their 20/20 hindsight. He was supposed to be the smart guy in the room. And it pisses me off that no one points the blame for the loss or defeat at the Afghans. It was country. They way they folded showed they were never invested in "saving" their country. Will the US ever learn?
If the almighty US military couldn't defeat the Taliban then the Afghan people stand no chance of doing it alone. The military's plan was just plain stupid. They knew it wouldn't work. Trump surrendering and handing the country over to the Taliban eliminated any remaining incentive for Afghan fighters. They were abandoned.
"Will the US ever learn?" As long as there is money to be made, no. The American government will continue making the same mistakes over and over until the ones in charge are held to account. A damn great example needs to be made out of them.
Imagine having a family member killed by mistake in an airstrike and here along come people responsible for the killing and they offer you a bland "sorry" and two goats. Honestly, who wouldn't hold a grudge?
imagine you are not American, hear this country lecture the result of the world 24/7 about selective 'human rights', ukraine this, syrias that, regime change, extraterritoriality of their law, sanctions and more. Russia bad they say, it's not like they didn't completely leveled iraq which even years after the end of the conflict, is still in a much worse condition than it was before. Not to mention they did the same shit Russia is tryinng to do in Ukraine in Kosovo, and now we have a mafia state in Europe. But hey, the greatest country of the world needed an air force base over there.
Anti-americanism is not just legit, it's a duty.
lol the reply is shadow banned. must be some soldier saying they deserved it or something lmao. The US is trash and we should be ashamed.
Agreed Kria.
Sickening the staged sympathy.and prearranged clumsy statement to the elder was pathetic
I can’t even imagine a pet (possibly a goat 🐐) going out like that and not holding a grudge.
@@apsoloman46 Right? 14 people killed just in that village, which are mostly his family members.
Most unsympathetic horrible people ever. They have 0 empathy in their hearts. Even for the purpose of their little "counter insurgency" they couldn't even force an ounce of empathy. What a bunch of losers
Imagine being 21 years old, it’s your 1st tour in Afghanistan, you joined up to fight terrorists and protect America, and one morning they tell you to take a stack of money to a father whose 5 year old daughter was just killed by American soldiers the night before and tell him you’re sorry.
I would have thrown up.
That was a great post.
No wonder many of them have PTSD when they come back from tours. The meaningless of it all
@@olamidebamiro4863 agreed
Many seeds of distrust were sewn in American troops due to what they were told they were fighting for vs the reality on the ground. Once there, what can you do? Just try to survive.
@@olamidebamiro4863 I understand the horror of realizing that you might have had a role in horrible act, but it's my understanding that PTSD has more to do with terror and a feeling of powerlessness.
This remarkable form of reporting deserves all the accolades. Martin Smith, hats off to your journalism!
Why? This comment is so stupid, you need to explain yourself.
Yes I agree 💯 🎉
I’ve been counting down the days for part 2. PBS Frontline are the undisputed champions of reporting! Please never stop. Everyone donate!
Very true
When doea part 3 come out?
Martin Smith deserves an award.
I don't think I've seen anyone lie as quickly and confidently as General Petraeus. Impressive yet disturbing
He’s a psychopath. It’s a common attribute among those in his position.
He struck me as a pathological liar who’d go to any extent to safeguard his ‘truth’, image. No sense of accountability at all
He is from the tribe.
That's the reason he got demoted. For lying to his wife about the mistress.
That's the amerikan way, always has been, always will be 😅
NO MATTER WHAT!! Absolutely nobody can cover anything the way FRONTLINE does. Period. Since I was a kid, the opening music has always gave me goosebumps. They can cover a Mormon wedding and make it look intriguingly interesting 🤔
'cant argue with that. True.
I agree with the opening theme. When i hear it i know i’m getting the very best journalism.
Open mind has the ultimate PBS theme song
Cool…what are we covering here?
How the Military in it’s infinite wisdom could believe you could kick someone out of their home and conduct operations out of it and not gain enemies is beyond me.
Who said America never expected to gain enemies?
Apparently they never learned the lessons of Vietnam. This was Vietnam all over again.
@@jacqdanieles Not by a mile, in any way whatsoever.
Vietnam was a traditional war, Afghanistan was basically a counter-insurgency from the beginning.
@@Ry-gb4cdregardless of how you classify the conflicts, the ways they were fought were similar & the parallels & lessons learned almost identical.
The tactics used by adversaries in both conflicts were guerrilla tactics:
• combatants blend in with the civilian population
• hit & runs
• ambushes
• support & intelligence supplied by local population
• underlying resentment for the invaders, nationalistic feelings stirred up
• weapons supplies & sanctuaries across the border
And the US responded to both conflicts by "going after the bad guys" with body counts, bombing the f**k out of any resistance, & by raiding homes & villages -- often the wrong ones -- adding to the resentment & distrust of the population in the process.
Your reply brilliantly underscores my original point.
@@jacqdanieles Jesus Christ.
Similar is not the same and I think you are forgetting that the NVA was an actual military.
With infantry, armored vehicles, planes, helicopters, AA, you name it.
Just because the Vietcong were a scummy bunch of fellas, doesn't mean that the whole war was basically the U.S vs Guerrillas.
Martin Smith is a true American hero.. This country needs more people like him.. need the final piece uploaded please
Brilliant hardcore reporting, Makes any journalist a great case study, Big love and support to all involved
I love that you can hear the slides switching, like we're being briefed
The Afghans never wanted American Democracy and the American way of life.
This is an excellent recapitulation of the war. None of it however, is news. Our leaders and anyone else who was paying attention, have been aware of all of it for years.
Qatari monarchy - embedded with Muslim Brotherhood always supported Taliban in more than a million ways, as they support all Islamist movements/actors/parties/terror groups around the world.
@@jasha9sandhu The Muslim Brotherhood was represented in Afghanistan by Brahabuddin Rabanni, one of the Afghan resistance leaders against the Soviets. He and his faction joined the government installed by the Americans when they invaded. The Gulf Arabs generally supported a different Afghan resistance leader, Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, who also joined the Karzai government after the Americans invaded. Modi's government also supported the same government.
This episode was wild. The man talking about his brother hit me hard and the Doctors Without Borders was just crazy.
Not crazy, but cruel.
A very productive and kind of a unbiased work . Well done Martin 👍
Nobody talks about war crimes when its America and America has had more than any country due to war and blood they love so much
Yes. If this documentary had been about wars in Latin America, the teams sent out on these "kill/capture" missions would have been called death squads.
Oh yes we do talk and criticize them too.
And set out matches again war.
Martin Smith's programs are always great......Bravo Martin.....
Needs to work until he is 150.
Im muslim 27 yr old I came to US when I was 5 in 2000, 1 yr later 9/11 and it really set the tone for my youth growing up here in NY of all places, and watching the events unfold in Iraq, Afghan, later Syria Lybia, it almost feels like I have shellshock from decades of watching war footage, since a child..
It's heartbreaking since there are millions of innocent people involved. The US was definitely at fault to try to overthrow local governments regardless they were dictators or not. T
@@god-son-love exactly im from North Africa & them removing Ghaddafi in Libya has DESTABILIZED most of north Africa, there was never jihadi groups there !! Now isis/ al qaeda entered due to power vacuum USA and Nato created
@@god-son-love we were at fault for 9/11 specifically by taking over a certain military base on Islamic holy land during either the Gulf war or the war between Afghanistan and Russia, I forget which exactly. This according to a Nightline interview with Bin Laden , himself
@@ttacking_you yes you are very close, it wasn’t the holy land Mecca 🕋 that had a base tho ,it was military bases in Saudi near mecca that set him off and helped him to radicalize the global islamic network of mujahideen he had from Soviet afghan war
@@ttacking_you Peak victim blaming. The US had an alliance with the Saudis, helped save Muslims from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, defended Kuwait from Iraq, defended Muslims in the Balkans… but Osama boy couldn’t stand (in his words) “infidel boots on holy land”. Deranged religious nonsense.
The mission in Afghanistan didn't fail because the mission was never about achieving real goals for Afghanistan. It was about keeping the war going for as long as possible while the defense industry profited. War can never stop when one of America's biggest and most powerful business groups can only ever profit from weapons being used. It's only a matter of time before another conflict begins because violence is what drives the profit motive.
Ukraine is already giving the industry a lot of money. Americans are being squeezed of it. And they deserve to be squeezed because that's what their support for war gets them.
You got it. Wars are manufactured. Check The Project for the New American Century. The mother of perpetual wars and endless transfer of money from solving the US problems to the MIC.
Do you think there will be a war with Russia or China next?
US is doing same in Ukraine, after that the pentagon should plan it within their borders and let the amerikan people watch it not on cnn but with their own eyes.😅
Israel and Ukrainian war......
Oh my god, as a tax paying American I am so disturbed by the bombing of the hospital.
Made me sick. My stomach turned. Sickening and the worse part is no one was really held accountable
The hospital was just one example.. similar occurrence happened at wedding events around the country.. thousands of innocent people died and no one was held accountable..
As a Vietnam era US army vet, seeing the tragedy unfold there in real time, what sustained me was knowing that if we ever got out of this mess-a civil war on the other side of the world-we wouldn't make this mistake again. Alas.
New leaders come in and don't learn from history. What we have is repeating the same old mistakes unfortunately
@@olamidebamiro4863 this time you won’t inshallah we already told your prime minister if they did they will be deprived of their life’s and not even get graves in their own country
As long as the wages are low at home, military service will look like a golden ticket for 18 year old children.
@@Gayshrirrand Don't worry, the Americans have no money anymore.
@@creamydistortion we are not after money it’s just piece of paper we are after the lands whole USA
Big thanks to PBS for this wonderful documentary
“A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within”. -W. Durant
Finally, I watched the second part and now I can't wait to watch part three next week.
Appreciated!! 🙌🏻
First'un was kickass! Been waitin' on part 2!! 🤘🏻
Hopefully part 3 is on here Quick!!
Totally outstanding reporting and insight! Like many others, been waiting for PT 2. Amazing!
They posted the entire schedule for these 3 episodes. Part 3 will be shown on TV and youtube in 2 weeks.
Victory and glory to Islam, the Taliban, Afghanistan🎉
“I bring you an army of men who love death as you love life.” - Khalid ibn Walid (R.A) commander of the Muslim army to the Persians.
@@classifiedname222 still valid
@@classifiedname222 Submit to Islam and be safe. Or agree to the payment of the Jizya (tax), and you and your people will be under our protection, else you will have only yourself to blame for the consequences, for I bring the men who desire death as ardently as you desire life.
Khalid ibn al-Walid
Khalid ibn al-Walid's letter to the Persian monarch Emperor Yazdegerd III, as quoted in John Clark Ridpath "History of the World, Volume IV (Book XII: The Mohammedan Ascendency, p. 463), 1910.
@@classifiedname222he said it to the Persians.
This makes me sick to be an American. How does Petraeus sleep at night?
just like BUSH does.
With someone else's wife.
Probably in a fancy bed purchased with his sweet military pension that YOUR tax dollars fund… 😤
On a gold encrusted bedframe with the most comfortable mattress money can buy
Probably a lot better than you do.
“How can you defeat an enemy who sees paradise when he looks down the barrel of your gun?” - A Russian commander on the Afghan Mujahideen.
That just shows how disconnected the US Military was. You can't pay people for their families' lives. You wonder why they held grudges? That's part of it.
Thank you Frontline for amazing information and journalism n. Always getting the truth out there 💯
I was deployed twice here and I still can’t believe how this ended! And how many were lost… and for what!
For real. Kuddos to you for your service and bravery. America should be answerable though for so many lives were lost, not just the American troops but an ocean of Afghan civilians and for what? They wanted to get rid of Taliban and the irony is that Taliban has now formed their own government there.
For money... I hope you saved up yours. It was taken from the paychecks of real men.
You can’t believe how it ended. I do believe how it ended. It ended the same way the war with England ended. Freedom for America. Freedom for Afghanistan.
Mfs imagine someone people entering your home late night and kill your family members, how would you feel and what would you do? Mfs everyone of you will go to hell for your atrocities done to innocent people and I'm not talking about the taliban...
It always ends the same way. The political class never learns. Counter insurgency has never and will never work. Once an insurgency breaks out its over. Pack up and leave.
Very unbiased and deep reporting. Exceptional and raises many questions.
When you look at US involvement in wars the past 30 years and the massive blood and treasure spent. Then look at the deterioration in US society. Drug addiction, obesity, crime, mass shootings , low education attainment .... It really makes you wonder about leadership and their goals.
It isn't just leadership that is problem. The nature and pace of change in the modern world is ravaging us in many ways. We accuse the Taliban of pushing Afghanistan back into the past, but you have to wonder whether they aren't on to something.
@@myahsoodinim8570 That makes no sense to me. The Taliban are onto something? They’re just a crime and warlord organization. Afghanistan was developing in the 1960s and early 1970s. It was pushed backwards by Russian invasion of 1979. It’s gone downhill ever since due to warlords and opium. The US situation going backwards is the rise in Leftism due to their takeover in education , “news” and entertainment .
Watch how the US leadership enabled massive moral and financial corruption of Afghan society by empowering their worst of the worse with lowest common denominator of money and being comfortable to keep a losing war going as long as possible so the money didn’t stop flowing and the branches of military had something to do to justify their budgets.....then realize that it is the same way they govern you
The Taliban and the Vietnamese taught the world that modern advanced weaponry does not necessarily ensure victory in war.
As Afghan boy one thing that I realized that we Afghan dont give importance to our nation because I remember those days that we were very happy in Kabul from 2011 to 2018 meanwhile our brothers and sisters were killed in us air strikes. We are very sorr....
And I am very happy that now we're living under regime of Taliban
Martin Smith at his very best. Once again. Great stuff.
Thanks for part2
Thankyou,so informative.
Nice. Part three! Brilliantly put together as usual.
US to Taliban: We will defeat you
Taliban to US: You may have the Watch, but we
got the Time.
Village Elder: “I got nothin, stop naggin me to take sides and open the market!”
US: kills civilians and offers 2 goats as compensation to the relatives
The relative: 😖
Excellent documentary 👍. Now onto Part 3.
Can't wait for the final episode!
Been waiting for part two of this documentary series. PBS Frontline and Martin Smith never fail to deliver quality reporting! Thank you!
Victory and glory to Islam, the Taliban, Afghanistan🎉
Finally, I was waiting for the 2nd part!
i was like this looks familiar! totally forgot i watched part 1. haha
Great journalism, thank you
Hats off .... Most Reliable Media Ever... Take love and Respect 💛
Well done, Frontline! Needless to say, I was not at all disappointed with part two of this series. Once again, very well done. Things look different in the after than the do while it is happening. This part really got into what perspectives were when they were current and I thought this was a brilliant way to help paint the picture here. It helps us understand how the government and the military could make the miscalculations they did. It is fairly easy to spin things as they happen; possible to do this but harder to do with past events. I think the vast majority of our mistakes were truly unintended but they were mistakes just the same. Some damaged our reputation as a world power and leader, others led to death and injury. Both were a steep price and have implications for the future. In the future, we really have to have more courses of action available and have the ability to lay out potential consequences.
Curious … how many times can one make the same mistake before it is no longer considered a mistake?
@@aklimar2208 historical events are sometimes cyclic. Vietnam and Afghanistan started for different reasons but many other similarities.
My peers joined the military for money. There was no other reason. That salary looks amazing when there are no jobs at home.
Thank you, PBS!
Nobody does it better than Martin Smith
FINALLY, PART 2!
Absolutely excellent!!!!..Another great job FRONTLINE PBS and to Martin Smith, brilliant presentation kudos to you and to your staff...
I wish there was a discussion available as to what the warning at the beginning was about.
I want to understand the criteria of the poster and YT.
Thanks for making it available.
It is all so very sad.
This deserves an award. Outstanding journalism period
Incredible journalism.
No one will ever be held accountable for the mistakes made in Afghanistan. No one.
Its everyone’s fault. It’s not just one person
@@Cognitoman That’s why no one will ever be held accountable because everyone from was complicit in the lies and deceit. So no one person will ever pay.
@@shannonbrown5913 war is confusing and terrible
@@Cognitoman True…too terrible.
@@shannonbrown5913 but certain group of people earned millions or billions
2 weeks for part 3...bruuuuuuh...its ok I can wait this is so good! thank you once again to PBS and FRONTLINE
Ohhhh my God. Are u kidding me. 2 weeks before we get to see part 3 ?
PArt 3. Please💜
Thank you smith sir
If you improve peoples’ lives they don’t care who is in charge. If you fail to improve peoples’ lives they will side with the people that look the most like them every time.
Awesome reporting!!!!!
Thank you frontline sharing the reality
Great documentary
Loved it. Beautiful reporting
Wow was waiting on this one. Thanks for these amazing videos.
Good job PBS,sad this brave and wonderful journalist Martín Smith have grown old infornt of my eyes
I can’t wait for part 3!!
@@lifesabeach5405 ahhahah
These Frontline documentaries are all so well done and detailed
Hard to watch but an amazing documentary.
Thank You 🎯 ✅️
LOVE TO WATCH THE WAY YOU PRESENT THE DOCUMENTARY IS TOTALLY AMAZING
this is the best documentary channel
Excellent Story. Great Job. Honestly
Man i could watch Frontline Documentary with Martin smith narrating my entire life
Nice been waiting all week for part 2!
Good work keep up 👍
Martinga katta rahmat men Uzbekistandan Frontline muhlisi juda ajoyib democratiyani haqiqiy yuzini ochadi
2 goats and a few grand for murdering a father, mother, kid. 🤦♂️
Anyone in the world would be grudges after that
In WW1 there was a 10% civilian casualty rate, that rose to 30% in WW2. In Vietnam that increased to 70% and between Iraq and Afghanistan that rose to a incredible 90%. So much for "surgical strikes" and "precision guided munitions" and yet noone has been held accountable
Did you pull those numbers off your arse?
Yes, in fact, we went after the whistleblowers who made us aware of how often we were droning civilians. We sent Daniel Hale to jail.
Too realistic video documentary, kudos
Superb honest balanced journalism. They don't shove their opinions, they allow the participamts to speak for themselves.
its heartbreaking. i can't fathom what that these people went through. both US and people of Afghanistan.
Im glad I can watch this free. Thanks a lot Frontline
We Appreciate You 💯
word to that
Frontline gets it right. You have to hear the story from both sides.
My favorite news always your amazing.
These are epic
Brilliant storytelling PBS. Noone being fired, jailed or court marshaled, whatever that means, for bombing a private hospital sounds very American indeed
Some plain-spoken honesty from Lt. Col. Dempsy and Lt. Gen. Lute (ret.). Watching this is a clear definition of a failed strategy, bad execution, a.k.a. SNAFU. No one does it better than Frontline at finding and revealing truth. Thank you, again, for this remarkable work.
All true, but don't get too self righteous in pointing the finger at our troops. Those sorts of failures are typical of all military efforts. We, the people, have to take a share in the blame for having sent our military out there in the first place. As Zayif, the Talib quoted in Part I said, when asked the civilians killed by the Taliban, and denying that that was the intention: "This is fighting." It's disingenuous to think otherwise.
Invading armies always lose in the end. They can (and want to) always go home at the end. The invaded cannot, and therefore have no choice but to fight forever. Imagine if any country ever tried to invade the US; the will to fight would be unstoppable.
Lol SNAFU. America can't be an evil empire unleashing violence for the sake of it's capitalist overlords lust for endless profits.
Nope. It was just a mistake. A bloody expensive mistake. That just happened to make America's capitalist elite richer.
Good show
I couldn't pass without appreciating the real neutrality and discipline of PBS on this documentary
I think that the producers did try to be neutral, but they nevertheless took the standard American view of the war and reported it from that perspective. The Taliban come off as inhuman and incomprehensible. We come off as bumbling but well intentioned. Frontline doesn't even raise an eyebrow at the willful folly of launching an invasion "in self defense" to wreak vengeance on Bin Laden and his small band of Arabs. No mention is made of the Taliban's attempts to negotiate his surrender, or later, to offer their own surrender. Neutrality is hard to achieve, even when you mean to.
@@myahsoodinim8570 well said
@@myahsoodinim8570 I still like the doc tho
This is anecdotal, but from my own experience overseas, back in ‘08 we never had a problem fighting militants and insurgents. It was nation building that we failed miserably at. In Iraq the IA and IP were grossly incompetent and often corrupt. Their corruption was ignored by our top brass even though locals would complain to us about extortion and abuse by local IP. We should’ve never invaded Iraq, we should taken out Bin Laden at Tora Borra and bounced after we initially smashed the Taliban… hindsight is 20/20.
If u had to be shipped out there, 08 is probably the best time? Imagine if it was in Zarqawi’s reign of terror… and they wouldn’t even admit there was an insurgency for awhile, on top of everything 🤦🏻♀️
No, you should not have been warmongering and invading to make Osama retaliate against you guys in the first place. You still did not learn your lesson, arrogant and ignorant Americans. This is why America is being destroyed: because you are arrogant, which breeds ignorance, which leads to incompetence and therefore, failure.
You're so right. Soldiers fight. That's what they do. What's with this nonsense about Nation Building. General Petorius or whatever his name is , President Bush and Dick should be very ashamed of themselves and seek forgiveness from the Afghan people for the pain and hardships they have caused them before they die.
They were just experimenting with these people like it was some sort of game
@@olamidebamiro4863 That’s what it looks like now. It was all just an experiment to them, they didn’t care for all the destruction they caused or the lives that were lost. So many people were reduced to poverty, hunger. This shows that General Patreus was blinded by his ego and power with no sense of accountability whatsoever
Please please please use a translator. I love these but listen to them as I do work around the house and cant always stop to read the CC
Frontline is the best
30:30 "you have pictures i was there"
Lines 🔥
47:40. Please allow me to introduce the chief spokesman and apologist for the military industrial complex. Pleased to meet you.
America invaded Afghanistan to find laden and ultimately found him in pakistan(not in Afghanistan)😂
And in this whole time pakistan helped Americans to find laden in Afghanistan, after long time Americans(the super power) learned that pakistan made fool out of them.
So very little love of life may God bless the people who been killed in this war. This is heart breaking
Very good journalist.
War: "A massacre of people who don't know each other for the profit of people who know each other but don't massacre each other."
Paul Valery
Exactly. The people that wage it have fancy dinners together in Geneva and Vienna. Soldiers should simply put their guns down and walk away.
all because of a belief in God. Religion is sad.
I've seen this movie before. It played out South Viet Nam in 1975. For all his brilliance, it amazed me that Petraeus got the whole thing wrong. My tour coincided with his ISAF Command. The entire time the message was that we can win this if we have a little more time. Now we now it was never going to happen. It also bothers me that former commanders like Petraeus plead Mea Culpa with their 20/20 hindsight. He was supposed to be the smart guy in the room. And it pisses me off that no one points the blame for the loss or defeat at the Afghans. It was country. They way they folded showed they were never invested in "saving" their country. Will the US ever learn?
If the almighty US military couldn't defeat the Taliban then the Afghan people stand no chance of doing it alone. The military's plan was just plain stupid. They knew it wouldn't work. Trump surrendering and handing the country over to the Taliban eliminated any remaining incentive for Afghan fighters. They were abandoned.
Yeah Petraeus
Brilliant????
Come on...philandering liar...
He was blatantly LYING about the meeting 🤝 with minister in the beginning of this show.
"Will the US ever learn?"
As long as there is money to be made, no. The American government will continue making the same mistakes over and over until the ones in charge are held to account. A damn great example needs to be made out of them.
It’s the military industrial complex and the Empire state doing what comes naturally,until it collapses.
The Taliban ARE the Afghans and simply took what was theirs. Karzai was a US puppet and the Afghans knew it and never supported him.
🙏 Respect 😘 love you US🇺🇸 From Somalia 🇸🇴 Thanks For Helping Somali People
Somalia should be ally of usa in next war thanxs
Conflict is the triste 😔