Operation Barbarossa Part 3: The Rains of Typhoon
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Hey it’s that guy who gets raped by RUclips.
I REALLY CAN'T STAY
Lool
Qucumberz yep motherfucking RUclips
Man I love weltkreig news, its just as reliable as the panthers transmission.
Jagpanther: I'm an exception what the chieftain said so
Hanz the newscaster broke!
Get owned
Much more reliable than the Fernandan at least.
Manuel Moreno not that being more reliable than Ferdinand/elefant is a challenge
Mister Guderian, I don't feel so warm...
[Everybody liked that.]
Max Noss
-becomes ice statue and shatters-
Marshal Paulus, I don’t feel so good
Silver Shroud Herr Paulus i feel hungry
Who'd have thought that telling your enemy that you'll kill every single man, woman, and child of theirs would cause them to fight to the last man, woman, and child
😂😂
Speech -100
👍🏼
Except they didn't. Millions surrendered to the Germans.
@@GeraltofRivia22 because they were trapped in pockets and could not fight anymore and when the germans "took" prisioners it really meant sending them to death squads
These “weltkrieg news” sketches have got to be one of the sketchiest sketch I’ve ever seen in a long time on RUclips.
Good god nearly 400 likes, am I hallucinating or is that really a thing...
@@Legoapollo13 It is pretty sketchy.
At least this episode is more or less accurate according to David Stahel's 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East'.
This is a copy pasta from a previous comment I wrote:
I would argue that even if the German Army advanced on Moscow regardless of Führerdirektiv 33, they would be incapable of doing so. At Smolensk, the Panzertruppen were already simply too worn out to form a smaller front, and in July, AGC's Panzers were at 30% fighting capacity, with little to no hope of resupply because of the roads. Add on the fact that the nature of the German panzer advance primarily on the roads, and you have a situation where many small off-road Soviet formations are left untouched. Consequently, the infantry which the Panzer Divisions had a dire need for were fighting 100-200km behind them simply because they were forced to mop up these untouched soviet formations, while also being forced to endure 40km marches from dawn till after dusk. If the infantry were having such a hard time, then the supply columns which had to traverse the same territory in front of them were having it worse still. Being made up primarily of captured civilian vehicles which more often than not put a bigger strain on the supply of spare parts than alleviated it, the Wehrmacht having to procure and distribute a god awful amount of spares.
Overall, I would argue that the the cumulative effects of what Karl Clausewitz dubbed 'friction' of the advance made sure that the armoured spearheads upon which the advance so heavily relied were incapable of being supplied, and thus fell apart because of an inability to reconcile the needs of war. In both encirclements at Belostok-Minsk, and Smolensk, the Panzer Divs 2 and 4 under Hermann Hoth and Hanz Guderian refused at times to lend their resources to Günther von Kluge (infantry commander and their immediate superior) when the infantry required tank support. Consequently, despite capturing many forces in these pockets, far more were allowed to escape and fight another day. Simply because the German Army was incapable of reconciling the needs of destroying the enemy and continuing the advance to the Soviet industrial heartland.
Don't take it from me, Stahel writes that by 22 July 1941:
"One of the central conditions for victory in Germany's war against the Soviet Union was the necessity of retaining mobility- both to outmanoeuvre and defeat the large Soviet armies and to ensure the occupation of enough industrial and economic centres to forestall continued large-scale resistance in the east. In short, the German army depended upon maintaining the swift pace of operations which typified its earlier successes. The fatal over-extension of its logistical system and the exhaustion of the panzer and motorised divisions before Smolensk may appear to be an unspectacular measure of defeat by the historical comparatives of Waterloo or Tannenberg, but a fundamental and ultimately ruinous defeat it remains. Germany did not fail in Operation Barbarossa by a crushing defeat in a major battle, nor can the performance of the Red Army take the credit; they failed by losing the ability to win the war. Yet it is for this same reason that the German defeat was not a knockout blow, but rather one which doomed Germany to fighting a war far different from the one the generals had planned and consequently were not prepared for. Caught in the vast Soviet hinterlands, the front promptly started to settle down in to gritty positional warfare more reminiscent of World War I, while the war of manoeuvre became more and more limited to specific sectors of the front."- Stahel, David, 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East' pp. 259
EDIT: If you read between the lines as Stahel does, you can see that the July crisis whereby the OKW as paralysed in conflict with itself stems not from an outburst of Hitler, but because of political manoeuvring by Franz Halder and Brauchitsch. The latter hiding their disagreements with Hitler over the pursuit of war objectives. In War Directive 21,
"Yet in deference to the undisputed precedence enjoyed by Hitler's preference, Halder devised a cunning solution. In what probably seemed like a pedantic fuss over semantics of no real consequence, Halder arranged for some subtle word changes which he felt left the future course of operations open to some interpretation as well as denying Hitler the absolute endorsement such a document would otherwise have provided him. The fact that Halder resorted to such a deceitful technique shows he was fairly certain Hitler would oppose his recommendation [Moscow first]. By the same token, this clash of equally unyielding wills leads one to question the wisdom of delaying such a dispute until the campaign was underway.
In the final text of Directive No. 21, issued 18 December 1940, Halder ensured the Army Group Centre's redirection toward Moscow would take place once Hitler's northern objectives had been 'made safe' (Sicherstellung) - a substantial amendment over what had been formally been described as 'settled' (Erledigung). In an even more blatant example, Halder arranged for the inclusion of a clause at the beginning of the section on 'Conduct of Operations', which declared Hitler in agreement with the army's plans. The passage opened: 'A. Army (Approving the intentions reported to me)' (In Genehmigung der mir vorgetragenen Absichten). Halder was evidently seeking to tie Hitler down to the Army's point of view, providing himself with pivotal counter-arguments against the resistance he expected in the future. ... Thus, Directive 21 formalised the titanic clash between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union and, unspoken and unknown to most, the same document drew the lines for a similar clash, clearly foreseen by Halder, which would plunge the German High Command into its own crisis."
- Stahel, David, 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East' pp. 66-67
See it for yourself, Directive No. 21 -- Case Barbarossa:
der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/wardirectives/21.html
"Yet however much one attributes the term 'decisive' it cannot be denied that Moscow remained a secondary objective, only to be attempted after the battles in Belorussia, the Baltic and Leningrad. In that sense, Moscow's significance in Directive No. 21 was a far cry from Halder's conception of the Soviet capital as the vital and definite war-winning objective."
- Stahel, David, 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East' pp. 69
All cited from:
Stahel, David, 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East'. 2009.
I want a compilation of all the sketches.
The Soviets were a hell of a lot smarter than people give them credit for. They knew that fighting to the most bitter end was their best option, and I'm really glad you mentioned it! It's the one thing I always point out to people - Unlike the West, where the loss of the capitol meant loss of the country, the RSFSR wouldn't have surrendered until they had no people left to fight with, due both to their national spirit, and their knowledge that surrender meant exterminatus.
People remembered that the Nazis hated Jews, but they forgot about the Nazi's equal hatred against the Communists and Slavs.
I dont think that loss of the capital in the west meant capitulation, we are either talking about small weak countries which were overrun by far stronger army or France which was total clusterfuck of political and military leadership. In both examples, capital was captured after the defending army could no longer effectively resist the attacker.
Germans was so scared of the eastern front nobody wanted to go in
TheBrodsterBoy quality reference, but to be fair OP did say "until they had no people left to fight with"
@TheBrodsterBoy ya reference actually made me laugh lol, but I mean with Paraguay only a fraction of the people actually died fighting, majority of deaths came from starvation, disease, or massacre at the hand of the allies.
"Sure, Stalin *might* kill you, but Hitler *will* kill you."
-Random Red Army soldier
That's literally what kept the Red Army going for so long
Too bad they didn't kill each other.
@@filmandfirearms literally Nazi propaganda
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. The Soviets had guns pointing at them from the front AND the back.
@@sujeetgrewal3958 that part is actually a myth. The blocking detachments formed never had the men or weapons needed to enforce no retreat orders under penalty of death, and quickly fell out of use when troop morale was directly lowered by them, though they wouldn't be formally disbanded until Oct. 1944
China didn't surrender even when they lose all their major cities and suffer civil war, why would USSR?
Nurauzhan .Kushkinbayev perfect 👌🏼
Because they are Slavs and they are all cowards. Nazi retarded logic
@@ieuanhunt552 Lol "logic"
Tiago deCastro ah Nazi logic. What the fuck were they even thinking?
China was not a cohesive, powerful nation state (like the Soviet Union). It was a anarchic, vast region of fiefdoms and city states inhabited by warring militia and guerrilla groups, an impossible undertaking for under equipped and over stretched Japanese to decisively defeat.
*Stalin with his generals:* comrades the germans are exhausted, it is time for operation rush B.
*Generals* What is B?
Stalin: *points to Berlin*
MrAwsomenoob "🅱 for ℬℰℛℒℐ𝒩 𝒞𝒪ℳℛ𝒜𝒟ℰ"
Cyka blyat rush B
@@ashishhembrom3905 no stop
@@iamwritingrightnow8217 RUSH B
generals: cheeki breeki comrade stalin
german tanks fighting the soviet:
"hans, thats the fifth time i destroy that t-34
At this point still BT7's or T26's.
well, the t-34 is the most produced tanks in the soviet union
@@castsmith6783 Not in 1941.
@@castsmith6783 I know, but not during Barbarossa in 1941.
Hans, es ist das 50 mal, dass ich diesen T-34 zerstört habe
Reminds me of this quote by Julius Caesar in HBO's "Rome":
"Our men must win or die. Pompey's men have... other options."
The moment Hitler made his public intentions for the Soviets, surrender was never going to be an option. Even if the Germans somehow fixed their long-time logistics issues, the Soviets will keep on launching counterattack after counterattack.
Yeah. If you want to win a war you have to let your enemy lose it.
@@alyssinclair8598 Come to think of it, a Germany without Nazis and/or other genocidal tendencies may have a higher chance of recruiting Soviet nationalities and probably win a (relatively limited) war against Stalin.
But then again, that also meant that this alternate Germany may not start the war in the first place.
So yeah, once the Nazis were in power it was really a matter of time before the Eastern Front becomes an "all in" moment.
@@blackpowderuser373 what always gets me is that through sheer greed germany lost more land than it was ever going to gain. if they just called it at the sudentenland they would have things so much better
@@alyssinclair8598 The impulsive nature of the Nazis doomed any chance of peacefully reclaiming any more German lands beyond Sudetenland.
IIRC, didn't a proposal for a German-Polish Alliance also existed? That may have smoothen any potential for grabbing Danzig.
Still, it all boils down to Hitler and his saber-rattling.
entire economy based on war, taking gold reserves of conquered nations and money that didn't exist from a mining company that doesnt exist, which the rest of the world was about to find out
German general: if we take Moscow we will win the war
Napoleon: really now?
Thing is tho that does make sense. Soviet Russia survived because of her size, if the Germans would have taken Moscow they would have controlled the most important stop of the Trans siberian railroad, effectively cutting Russia in two (or perhaps even 3 as south and north loose their ability to effectively cooperate aswell)
while also shattering all remaining soviet morale.
I don't think the Soviets would have surrendered if Moscow got taken, but I do think the Germans would have had a much better chance of winning the war
@@Jan-rq8mo but after what cost? The germans had lost so much trying to take lenin grad and stalin grad all they would have gotten is a burning broken city and building to building fighting the germans would have had their moral broken as much as the resistance continues as the russians KNEW what would happen if they surrendered
@@bluemobster0023 I'm arguing from a point where directive (i forgot the number) never happened and the army group center rushed towards Moscow before Zhukov or the Siberian reeinforcements arrived while it still had like 100k defenders. With Moscow taken the germans could go on the defensive while the soviets, now with their nation split and lacking any place to really reform and regroup their troops effectively, would have to take Moscow back. As I said it wouldn't be an instant win but if the Germans could hold Moscow, the Siege of Leningrad and Ukraine, they would have a chance of slowly taking out the Soviets. A chance.
But yeah the whole nazi thing really ruined the whole operation, they didn't understand why Russia defeated herself in WW1. If they would have acted as liberators instead of exterminators, the whole thing could have been a rather simple and easy operation.
@@Jan-rq8mo once again, the Nazi belief of Aryan supremacy ruined their chance of ensuring better chances in their campaign. They already got the Finns to join in this because the Finns want to reverse the Winter War of 1939, but they could have established good local allies from Estonia to the Ukraine. That stretches through the entirety of the Operation Barbarossa front.
@Et Leva Do you think Stalin would be captured? He would simply go east. Plus, as said before, that was a war of racial extermination, even with the fall of the gov it would have resistance, imagine yoguslavia's partizans activities 100 times bigger.
Even in the most wonder-weapon of scenarios, the German army freezes to death outside Vladivostock before collapsing under the weight of ignoring their logistical officers.
If anything, most of the wonder-weapons would have made them run out of resources faster.
Oh man, watching them try to use a maus tank in the Russian winter would be HILARIOUS.
@@DinsRune 🤣 Hans is going to wonder all the gas went!
Someone played HOI4...
*Sees Weltkrieg news intro*
Ah shit, here we go again
@Godd Howard Jetzt geht es wieder los
Seth Greenberg
And we shall kill off the faithless Nazis and Soviets along the way
"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics".
At it's finest.
Ah I love a US marine general being quoted about how logistics are more important than tactics
Tell that to the French and Norwegians, logistics matter significantly more to an army that has to cross one of the two largest oceans to get to the front for just about every conflict it deals with rather than a country that borders its enemy
@@looinrims Yeah, and throught logistics, you make a plan.
@@strangelyukrainian7314 don't forget the food, soldiers like to eat.
Taken excerpt from Private Gunther:
"Oh damn its cold out here, anyone have a winter coat?"
He died that day from hypothermia.
As a friend of mine once said: You just have to look the size of operations throughout the war. In 41 it was the whole front. In 42 only the southern part, in 43 just a small part of the front.
The germans honestly miscalculated. The soviets were a much bigger then they could chew.
"How many times have we killed the same T-34?"
"About the 4th time already."
dyslexic lincoln 40th*
I think it's extremely weird that people just assume that the Germans could just take Moscow. It's like have you heard about Stalingrad? The fighting up to Moscow was so hard and Moscow was one of the biggest cities in Europe, Stalingrad was just a provincial city and look how the Soviets just completely stopped the Nazis there, like they couldn't even advance the few hundred meters to the river once they got into the city, there's no way they'd get anywhere in Moscow. And people talk a lot about how crippling a blow losing Moscow would have been because it's the center of the Soviet rail network, but know what else that means? It's extremely easy to reinforce and ferry in supplies. We also have to keep in mind that the advance to Stalingrad was basically so fast that the Soviets had no time to prepare but Moscow had been heavily fortified. There is no feasible way the Germans could have taken Moscow and they'd have to commit entire divisions just to hold a block. It would just be another Stalingrad and probably even worse because now the Generals are gonna be headass about not retreating. And this time it wouldn't just be one army, it would be the entire army group center that would be annihilated so early in the war and probably leading to the swift destruction of both of the other army groups as suddenly there'd be a massive hole in the front. It's absolutely baffling to me that anyone can think that Moscow could simply be taken and really shows how little they understand of the war.
hedgehog3180 well the problem is that the generals think Moscow can be taken with already overstretched logistics and supply lines. Ironically Hitler knew this but gave into the pressure of his generals. Honestly the troops and resources would have been better used south.
the most "plausible" scenario I can see for the Germans taking Moscow is if the Soviets allow it, and not "allow it" in a "we give up" kind of way, but instead after bleeding the German offensive for a few weeks the Soviets pull back to fortified positions with troops built up for a massive counterattack, the germans take the city, but they're overstretched, exhausted, and their reserves are depleted, they would not be able to effectively hold back a counterattack or encirclement, essentially what the Soviets would have crafted here is a chance to take out a big portion of army group center and score themselves a propaganda victory by "liberating" their own capital
@@weik-2936... Basically an earlier Battle of Stalingrad and Operation Uranus.
Remember when Napoleon took Moskau and won the war against Russia? No?
Yeah me either.
Capturing the capital just workfor medium and small countries. Because when you do so you actually occupied half their territory and most of their civilian population and industry, turning them unable to operate any major military action.
This also happened to the USA in 1812, and the same would apply today (or anyone think the US would not be able to wage war if DC fell?).
@@luisfernandosantosn US Army fighting without Pentagon hovering over their heads?
Oh boy, you don't want to experience that.
@@PobortzaPl the pentagon is not the building (I mean, it is, but you got the idea).
@@luisfernandosantosn It's a bunch of people who can't find their way inside it even with map and printed instructions.
@@PobortzaPl hahahaha
So it won't matter if it doesn't exist
Hahaha
USSR in 1941 be like: 'Tis but a flesh wound
Ignace Jespers USSR In 1945: loses 20 million people, look I got a scratch
@@Chuked *civillians not troops
USSR throughout the war: *loses 20-40 million people* “tis but a scratch!”
Russia today: “fuck you guys wanna live here our population isn’t birthing enough children”
@@looinrims to be fair, Russia today lost a HUGE swats of population centers after the Union collapsed.
@@biocaster777 fair enough but Russia will likely not recover from the losses in the war until like
Awhile from now
“Fighting an enemy that doesn’t seem too die!” Best quote of all time
Yet another episode of "Dunking on Wehraboos"
Ya love to see it.
The USSR reminds me of that one Remix of Allstar.
“And they don’t stop coming, And they don’t stop coming, And they don’t stop coming, And they don’t stop coming, And they don’t stop coming, And they don’t stop coming,”
Original
Leave it wherboos to make having an actual industry a bad thing.
The T-34? For most of the war it wasn't the most common tank.
Proud Titanic Denier
Here, lemme fix the comment than
@@TheCarDemotic You realize the Soviets were also outnumbered for a large portion of the war? It's just that the Germans estimated the amount of soldiers to be a stupidly low amount so they were surprised when they saw even moderately sized armies.
Taking Moscow didn't help Napoleon, and he didn't even have that whole "kill zem, kill zem all" thing driving the Russians to keep fighting.
Napoleon’s war was very different however, he didn’t absolutely annihilate the active Russian army (not even exterminate just completely destroy) nor did he conquer such massive swaths of Russian Europe
Napoleon's and Hitler's tactics in Russia were very very different. Napoleon marched in a straight line where he would be able to get to Moscow. Hitler attacked across the ENTIRE front.
@@brrrrrtenjoyer you're right. It's like between playing Europa Universalis and Hearts of Iron
Hitler: The soviet soldiers will be the least motivated soldiers in the war
Soviet Soldiers: Actually manage to be the most motivated soldiers in the war
Hitler: Oopsie Doopsie
Mr. Rawke
Eh, the Japanese might have em beat but yeah.
So,you had under-estimate my Service time.
*Soviet Onion soldiers:* Are demotivaded, sad and want to die
*Accordion, Kalinka, Katyusha and Cossack dance:* Allow us to introduce ourselves
Hitler: invades with the intention of murdering and enslaving said soldiers.
Soviet soldier: Fights to the bitter end, rather than die in captivity.
Hitler: why are they resisting?
@@livethefuture2492 "I told them if they gave up they'd die, I didn't know that'd make them not give up!"
When Barbarossa took place, the Soviets had already moved a substantual part of their inustry behind the Ural, so unlike WW1, when the russian industry was almost exclusivly in the far west of the ocuntry they did not loose theyr ability to wage war.
Much of it still fell into German hands, although in ruins.
Luftwaffe: “Who needs strategic bombing?”
USSR: *Moves industry away from front line*
Luftwaffe: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
so unlike WW1, russia had industry
Knowing more information now adays; not true, 80% of Russian industry was “on wheels” (or, train tracks) in 1941 after the Germans kicked in the front door, not before
Actually only about 1500 large factories were moved East. 32,000, (quarter) were still captured
everyone says just take Moscow, but no one ever explains how to take Moscow
I laughed so hard at that intro. "AHA".
"ITS COLD OUT HERE" Still needs the typical german cliched accent and it would have been so gud
"We are defeated and now are stick frozen, how can this day get any worse!?"
Famous last words
Боян Райков *URAAAAAAAAA!*
i’m sick today and not feeling well. but you really made my day with this video
Thank you!
Same bro sick af
I swear everyone's been sick lately, get well soon lol
Did you forget your repair tool lol
Yeah I’ve been sick too
Same.
Germany: *begins operation Barbarossa and punches its way to Moscow.
USSR: Really... all that for a drop of blood
Germany: I went for the head
4:46 "You're about to win the game"
Hitler: Hold up, I still have this side quests to do.
Me
Soviet Doctrine: Tiger tank has 93 Shells
Send 94 T-34s
Nazi germany: "WHY WONT YOU DIE?!"
Soviet union: "Mass conscription son."
"I can do this all day"
German Soldier : they already have 1 million looks like they called in the reserves
German Officer: oh that's just the first wave
German soldier: First..... WAVE
"When you wage a war like Zukov you gotta expect to lose a few people" by an asshole with an opinion.
*Soviet Zombies*
One thing I think people keep forgetting is that in order to take Moscow, the Germans had to you know take Moscow. If they decided to assault the city directly, the battle would have devolved into intense close quarters combat similar to Stalingrad. If they were successful in operation Typhoon or launched Typhoon months earlier, Moscow would likely starve itself to death rather than give up like Leningrad did for 3 years. Like Guderian thought he could just waltz into red square and hold a parade thinking that he'd won instead of dealing with millions of soldiers, civilians, and partisans who would have fought and starved to death instead of surrendering.
4:52 People: Why didn't they just drive straight to Moscow or use the Fallschirmjager?
Montgomery: Stop reminding me of Market Garden.
Hitler: Stop reminding me of Crete.
13:25, i think you make a great point here.
in that the simple answer as to why the soviets didnt loose, is because no matter what they were never going to submit to the germans.
That's why even if the germans take moscow, unlike in france where upon taking paris, the french government basically just gave up and submitted. The soviets on the other hand were never going to surrender whatever the cost, they were going to fight to the last man as rightfully mentioned in the video because they knew what the germans planned on doing, and in that case you are no longer looking a quick decisive war, wherein just striking at the capital, or winning a decisive battle is enough to force surrender or make peace.
This was a war of annihilation, and that's why the standard ideals of traditional warfare like taking the capital don't work here. There is no decisive battle to force the soviets to capitulate, there is no single objective that once taken will end the war decisively, because in this total war the germans would have to physically root out and eliminate every last soviet army, and soldier. more or less. and this was basically the hand they played for themselves, when they invaded with the intention of essentially murdering and enslaving an entire nation of people.
i mean basically the Germans are coming in with the intention of slaughtering and enslaving everyone, and then they expect that by just taking moscow they'll somehow win the war? And the soviets will just give up?
i have a distinct impression that the germans who came in were completely disconnected with the reality of the war they were waging, riding the high of their recent victories in europe and thinking that this will be the same quick decisive war they've waged throughout europe, without realizing the impossible hand they've just played for themselves, in entering in this war of conquest and and the nature of the total war they're about to enter.
*when the soviets are at 99% capitulation progress*
''Was Moscow not enough? Scheise! Hans, get the reserve engine out, we're heading to Vladivostok!'
Hans: Mein Kommandant… our tank…
Kertz: Our tank’s fuel has literally frozen up. We can no longer use Steiner Jr. in battle, Kommandant…
"Also it is actually only reading 9.9%"
"just take moscow!!!"
i could take a truck and drive to moscow right now. Doesn't mean i've conquered the largest country on earth..
I know a certain individual who could also drive a truck to Moscow easily
@@theprezydent6250 HEY GUYS
ThePrezydent isorrow productions gang
That’s a retarded analogy, you’re not being shot to shit and fighting the largest numerical army on planet earth
Capturing Moscow wouldn’t really have worked out for the Germans but that analogy should die with the 25th chromosome used to write it
@@looinrims you know Who Is Isorrowproduction? He has done the joke of truking/biking/jogging to Moscow
It is telling that we all talk about how deep into the Soviet Union the Wehrmacht advanced before getting pushed back, but on the map they only took a small portion of the largest country in history.
I mean, half of the Soviet Union was a snow covered, bear infested hellhole that could support maybe like three dudes a mile. Not exactly what most would call vital territory. Germany pressed pretty far into all the parts of the Soviet Union that actually mattered.
@@baron2062yeah, and they would have had to take the hellhole too if they wanted the war to end
Nazi: "If we take Moscow the Soviets will automatically surrender!"
Napoleon: "Oh really now?"
Well at the time of napoleon Moscow really had no strategic importance st Petersburg had all the value
_"Reich und shine"_ XD
NIELS MICHIELS shit is absolutely golden man 😂
The face you make when Soviet Union was supposed to collapse a month ago
"Invade the Soviet Union they said. It'll be fun they said!" -Germans, probably
trying to eat soup with a fork
Looks at date, questioningly but happy.
Wow my comment got deleted :(
Apparently you can’t say the name of a certain historical figure who may or may not have been the leader of WW2 Germany. Nice job RUclips, you’re really helping everyone by deleting comments on history videos 🤦🏼♀️
Damn, that sucks. They censor a lot of other things as well. Another youtuber I watch has had some of his videos auto-demonetized for having "communist" in the title. Hell, even a site that contains a lot of factual information that I use AGAINST neo-Nazis and holocaust denialists even gets censored here. WTF is wrong with youtube?
Hitler
Hotler
@@USSAnimeNCC- RUclips is turning into a censorship cesspool
So RUclips is supporting the Nazis? It's not like anyone could have seen this coming.😑
“If only Moscow had fallen!” is an interesting take from the officers who kept insisting that the Soviet Union would fall apart any second now
Guderian was acting as if the Soviets were the Droid Army in Star wars. All you have to do is destroy the control ship, (Moscow) and the Soviets instantly stop fighting.
unfortunately, he did not realize that the droids had been upgraded and no longer needed a control ship to function (that's actual lore btw)
Technically that was halder
Lmao
I would argue that even if the German Army advanced on Moscow regardless of Führerdirektiv 33, they would be incapable of doing so. At Smolensk, the Panzertruppen were already simply too worn out to form a smaller front, and in July, AGC's Panzers were at 30% fighting capacity, with little to no hope of resupply because of the roads. Add on the fact that the nature of the German panzer advance primarily on the roads, and you have a situation where many small off-road Soviet formations are left untouched. Consequently, the infantry which the Panzer Divisions had a dire need for were fighting 100-200km behind them simply because they were forced to mop up these untouched soviet formations, while also being forced to endure 40km marches from dawn till after dusk. If the infantry were having such a hard time, then the supply columns which had to traverse the same territory in front of them were having it worse still. Being made up primarily of captured civilian vehicles which more often than not put a bigger strain on the supply of spare parts than alleviated it, the Wehrmacht having to procure and distribute a god awful amount of spares.
Overall, I would argue that the the cumulative effects of what Karl Clausewitz dubbed 'friction' of the advance made sure that the armoured spearheads upon which the advance so heavily relied were incapable of being supplied, and thus fell apart because of an inability to reconcile the needs of war. In both encirclements at Belostok-Minsk, and Smolensk, the Panzer Divs 2 and 4 under Hermann Hoth and Hanz Guderian refused at times to lend their resources to Günther von Kluge (infantry commander and their immediate superior) when the infantry required tank support. Consequently, despite capturing many forces in these pockets, far more were allowed to escape and fight another day. Simply because the German Army was incapable of reconciling the needs of destroying the enemy and continuing the advance to the Soviet industrial heartland.
Don't take it from me, Stahel writes that by 22 July 1941:
"One of the central conditions for victory in Germany's war against the Soviet Union was the necessity of retaining mobility- both to outmanoeuvre and defeat the large Soviet armies and to ensure the occupation of enough industrial and economic centres to forestall continued large-scale resistance in the east. In short, the German army depended upon maintaining the swift pace of operations which typified its earlier successes. The fatal over-extension of its logistical system and the exhaustion of the panzer and motorised divisions before Smolensk may appear to be an unspectacular measure of defeat by the historical comparatives of Waterloo or Tannenberg, but a fundamental and ultimately ruinous defeat it remains. Germany did not fail in Operation Barbarossa by a crushing defeat in a major battle, nor can the performance of the Red Army take the credit; they failed by losing the ability to win the war. Yet it is for this same reason that the German defeat was not a knockout blow, but rather one which doomed Germany to fighting a war far different from the one the generals had planned and consequently were not prepared for. Caught in the vast Soviet hinterlands, the front promptly started to settle down in to gritty positional warfare more reminiscent of World War I, while the war of manoeuvre became more and more limited to specific sectors of the front."- Stahel, David, 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East' pp. 259
If you read between the lines as Stahel does, you can see that the July crisis whereby the OKW as paralysed in conflict with itself stems not from an outburst of Hitler, but because of political manoeuvring by Franz Halder and Brauchitsch. The latter hiding their disagreements with Hitler over the pursuit of war objectives. In War Directive 21,
"Yet in deference to the undisputed precedence enjoyed by Hitler's preference, Halder devised a cunning solution. In what probably seemed like a pedantic fuss over semantics of no real consequence, Halder arranged for some subtle word changes which he felt left the future course of operations open to some interpretation as well as denying Hitler the absolute endorsement such a document would otherwise have provided him. The fact that Halder resorted to such a deceitful technique shows he was fairly certain Hitler would oppose his recommendation [Moscow first]. By the same token, this clash of equally unyielding wills leads one to question the wisdom of delaying such a dispute until the campaign was underway.
In the final text of Directive No. 21, issued 18 December 1940, Halder ensured the Army Group Centre's redirection toward Moscow would take place once Hitler's northern objectives had been 'made safe' (Sicherstellung) - a substantial amendment over what had been formally been described as 'settled' (Erledigung). In an even more blatant example, Halder arranged for the inclusion of a clause at the beginning of the section on 'Conduct of Operations', which declared Hitler in agreement with the army's plans. The passage opened: 'A. Army (Approving the intentions reported to me)' (In Genehmigung der mir vorgetragenen Absichten). Halder was evidently seeking to tie Hitler down to the Army's point of view, providing himself with pivotal counter-arguments against the resistance he expected in the future. ... Thus, Directive 21 formalised the titanic clash between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union and, unspoken and unknown to most, the same document drew the lines for a similar clash, clearly foreseen by Halder, which would plunge the German High Command into its own crisis."
- Stahel, David, 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East' pp. 66-67
See it for yourself, Directive No. 21 -- Case Barbarossa:
der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/wardirectives/21.html
"Yet however much one attributes the term 'decisive' it cannot be denied that Moscow remained a secondary objective, only to be attempted after the battles in Belorussia, the Baltic and Leningrad. In that sense, Moscow's significance in Directive No. 21 was a far cry from Halder's conception of the Soviet capital as the vital and definite war-winning objective."
- Stahel, David, 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East' pp. 69
All cited from:
Stahel, David, 'Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East'. 2009.
The reason why the nazis couldn't win was because they were fighting an exterminatiom war, and the Soviets knew it.
If they didn't fight a war for ideology but a war for some land or resources, then they might've gottan a victory and some land.
Unfortunately for the Germans’ prospects of conquest, that was impossible. Mein Kampf and the Nazi ideology demanded the destruction of the Slavic people and the “Judeo-Bolsheviks”, which meant an all-out war of destruction.
@@treyebillups8602 And even if they won the war for some strange reason, the Axis would eventually turn on each other because the Nazis considered Mediterraneans to be subhuman as well.
@@MintyLime703 ye ok fair, you're right, just want to add to your text that for a lot of russian people it _was_ a war for _survival_ and not just ideology, since the Nazi brutality in occupied territories was well known.
Another real-life event can be applied.
Japan: *takes Nanking*
Kuomintang: ok, we’ll just move over here
Japan: you’re supposed to surrender
I love when potential history uploads potentially within 24 hours two potentially fun videos
When it snows heavily and your tank runs out of fuel and you hear the 30th urah from the distance
*ah scheiße*
2 Potential History vids in less then 24 hours??? My week has already been made
"Guys he froze to death" *sadistic russian laughing*
And that ladies and gentlemen is why you don't name your military operations after a man who drowned.
XD
In a waist deep river.
Germany lost the war because Göring single-handedly ate the whole ration supply destined for the eastern front
German army:defeates a soviet division with 300k troops,Soviet union:still getting troops to the front,german army:bitch,how dare you still alive?
Taking Moscow misses the fact there's still multiple intact soviet units in the south and north and then combined that with the reinforcements from the east plus the further straining on the supply lines
And how do they take Moscow? Every German victory by taking Moscow scenario operates on the assumption that they just will
Here I agree. Even had Moscow had fallen I don't think Russia would have had much choice but to fight on. The key to the whole war I think was the oil fields of the Caucuses, and the Volga River along which, in the ice free months, the vast majority of that oil was transported to be deposited in oil lakes from which it was then pumped into refineries. The next big challenge was food as after Ukraine the next major food resource was largely located along the Volga River. Germany was only getting more and more stretched both in width and depth the further it advanced. Oil was key. Why the following year the only real German offensive aims for the Caucuses. Even had Moscow fallen I think the war would have continued, Germany would still have aimed for the Caucuses and the overall outcome would most probably have been the same.
The Collaboration with the Armchair Historian is absolutely golden. Combines two of my favorite RUclipsrs who talk about historical topics!
I think one story really emphasises the determination of the soviets. There was an agricultural research centre in Leningrad which held huge amounts of samples of different crops and seeds from all over the Soviet Union. When Leningrad was besieged by the Germans, many of the researchers there starved to death, surrounded by food, and yet, not a single one of them touched any of the samples.
2 Potential History videos in a day
This is where the fun begins
Germans: we're using a tactic called blitzkrieg
Russia: well that just sounds like Napoleon woth extra steps
The real turning point is papa Johny releasing two videos in a row 👌
Riech and Shine is my favourite morning show on RUclips!!
This is one of my favorite channels, I always look forward to new videos, even if they do take a while to come out. I just hope that the long delays between videos doesnt lead to the channel getting abandoned one day
There were 2 today!
Two videos in one day?
Christmas coming early!
Guderian: "What about the rule 'Never invade Russia'?"
Hitler: "This time it will be different."
Russia can be successfully invaded, it’s happened before, like a lot, like many a war russia fought and lost, such as one with a certain imperial power from Central Europe during the Great War
Yo where’s my man Heinrich German-name?
Ikr? Wanna organise a protest to bring back Heinrich German Name?
Wasn't he in the field hospital recovering from exhaustion?
He's been killed
First, Rudolph Deutsch-mann, now Heinrich German-Name. What next? Armchair Historian?
He died in a "field hospital"
*Germany invades Soviet Union*
Soviet Union be like: "I'm about to end this man's whole career"
You say that like if Soviets were losing war until Stalingrad on purpose.
@@robertkalinic335 shhhhhhhhhhhh just enjoy the meme
@@goldeneagle3088 oh okay sorry, have fun i guess...
@@robertkalinic335 *PLAYS SOVIET NATIONAL ANTHEM*
Golden Eagle
Cyka Blyat!! You go to gulag, Nazi bastards
German General Staff: Mein Führer, our armies are at the gates of Moscow
Hitler: What did it cost?
General General Staff: Everything
and they still have to fight the Russians in the city
Franz halder: Hey my masterrace friends you know how we defeated france in 1940 by taking there capital city. Yeah i'm going to do the exact same thing but with Russia.
Hitler: That sounds like an awful plan, let's instead go south and take the important oil fields. That way Russia won't be able to sufficantly wage war.
Franz halder: Aw yes of course *Flips map upside-down* . Look my dare masterrace generals hitler told us to go north and take Moscow
Of every oversimplification ever this has to be the most accurate
General staff be like ‘nah see we learn from Napoleon by not walking in one line to Moscow, but we still go to Moscow’
Hitler: “y tho? The resources that would be used to regenerate forces is in the north and south, who cares about Moscow? Moscow didn’t help Napoleon, why don’t we learn from all of-“
General staff: “Moscow it is! Heeres Groupe Mitte attack!”
Everyone seems to forget that Stalin had been moving industry east to the Ural region and beyond since 1940. Despite Germany taking massive swathes of land, Soviet Production was never crippled. The USSR's largest steel company was already in the Ural region, never in danger of being bombed, let alone captured. The tank factories in St. Petersburg, Kharkiv were simply moved to Chelyabinsk and Omsk, far away from the fighting. The factory at Chelyabinsk was nicknamed "Tankograd." A fitting nickname, because it produced the most tanks in the world. To demonstrate just how capable the Soviet industry was despite the invasion, here are a couple numbers. In 1940 & 1941, the Soviets produced around 9,500 total light, medium and heavy tanks/SP guns. In 1942, they built over 12,600 T-34 tanks alone. In 1940 & 1941, they built around 26,200 aircraft. In 1942 alone, they built over 25,000. BTW, this isn't even taking into account the lend-lease equipment the US and GB were giving them. The bottom line is Moscow wasn't that important.
The last time I was this early the Germans were winning.
Thanks for the video, goes great with my morning coffee.
Been doing my military and taking cities is a big no, because the battlefield essentially shifts from 2D battlefields, into 3D city, which has many corners, roofs, etc. And that you would need 6-to-1 superiority to take over even some basic structures. Battle of Leningrad, is the perfect example as to why militaries wanna avoid assaulting or taking over cities, no matter how much manpower or guns you have.
"Guys, he froze to death!" Classic Griffin.
Fighting Russians is like shoveling snow. It. never. ends.
To be fair, Reich and Shine had some pretty timeless episodes.
Hello potential history :D
Please dont stop with your memes and jokes! It makes your videos sooooo much more enjoyable to watch. Not saying this in a way that it isnt enjoyable already. Love your videos
Double upload. Wunderbar.
Putting you on notifications was the best decision I ever made in my entire life!
You should do a series called "Tanks you (probably) have not heard of before" because that would be cool
2 videos about the Eastern Front in two days. Nice job Potential History and The Armchair Historian, you guys are the best 😁
You should've used more research about how Germans taking Moscow wouldn't mean the end of the war. In the simplest way I can put it, bombs were put in important buildings and Stalin made plans in case he had to evacuate. Note that some Soviet politicians even left Moscow to a nearby city (don't remember what it was called im sorry about that) and called it the "provisionary capital".
Woah, that was sudden! Just like the Operation Barbarossa... huh.
I dont get why people underestimate Eastern Europeans and Russians so much. They are some of the mightest fighters around and when they have nothing to lose while backed into a corner they really know how to fight and fight hard
You know started watching for the meme tanks. Stayed for the lessons on history. You do a very great job sir! Well done!
Finally, I always look forward to watching your videos keep up the amazing work I need my history fix.
Soviet early war doctorine:
Throw everything at wall and see what sticks
2 videos within 24 hours was not expecting this. But I enjoy it.
Another thing you didn't mention is that people think that Moscow would be a "free" win, but looking at Stalingrad or Leningrad it's doubtful that Moscow would be an easy target.
I love this so much! It's so informative, yet exciting and funny at the same time. It really gives an even perspective on the war, while still being aware of the fact that the Germans were not in the war they thought they were in. I also really like the occasional meme edit. Keeps it light-hearted while we talk about terrible things like disregard for human life and bad (understatement) world views. If there's anything I would like to see, it would be maps. Showing the maneuvers of the opposing sides. Doing that would also reduce the amount of footage you need to find, though I do love the footage. Keep it up!
What trickery is this, two Potential History Videos in less than a day!
I love your videos and I can’t find any other channel with the same feeling like yours. I’ve seen all of the main episodes countless of times not only as background noise but as actually interesting ideas and opinions on the topics you present. Keep up the work and I hope you start posting more often because you’re my favorite channel.
2:53 i guess captured PPSH-41s where alot more popular than i previously thought with germans. Ive seen quite a few pictures of germans holding russian submachine guns